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Won't that bus kill off ozone layer?
As I recalled, there have been reports that switching to hydrogen economy can lead to quicker depletion of ozone layer. Unlike the good old CFC, hydrogen is lighter than air, so the result is a lot more immediate. Furthermore, hydrogen is an extremely leaky substance, so leak can occur very easily, to the point that any massive deployment of hydrogen can quickly destroy ozone layer.
In order for hydrogen economy to work, the risk of hydrogen leak must be greatly reduced. First of all, hydrogen must NOT be stored in raw form, but in the form of chemical compound. This prevents accidental hydrogen leak when the compound is exposed to the environment. Extraction of hydrogen should include some form of heating element and catalyst. The containment chemical should only release hydrogen at high heat (above 200 degree C), and the heating element should use laser or plasma to minimize energy cost for extraction. -
Not exactly "green" yet
However, wind still has some catching up to do
I wouldn't categorize wind power as being entirely green. There is much evidence to suggest the impact windmills have upon migratory bird populations can be devastating. Migrating birds tend to like strong winds, which often place them in the same geography as wind farms. As a refernce, see this interesting article on the Altamont Pass wind farm and its effect on raptors.
I'm not saying wind power isn't advantageous; it is renewable. But it's unsightly, can be costly (suitable areas for wind farms are often near the coast, where land is expensive), and is noisy. There's some research to complete, some work to do, before this technology becomes "green" IMO. -
shortsighted, conservative, no real projections
this article is based solely on europe - its projections are vague at best: mainly, one would deduce, due to the fact that it only seems to cite data from 2003. perhaps it's intended to be alarmist by citing the human death factor, for the average joe who doesnt keep at all abreast of such issues - but other recent data, namely, the mauna loa anomaly and the international arctic science committee's report, appear to harbor much more catastrophic potentiality.
mauna loa is the big one to watch - with 2 years (some would argue even 1), we should know whether or not the major 2 year co2 increase is a fluke - or if it's a sign of runaway global warming (which many say we're technically in now, but accelerated to varying degrees depending on the source). this could trigger methane hydrate deposits to break free from river and seabeds by warming said bodies of water - and then, we're in anything from some really hot water (har) to aworld of shit. (note: latter link is distant future, but theoretically possible)
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shortsighted, conservative, no real projections
this article is based solely on europe - its projections are vague at best: mainly, one would deduce, due to the fact that it only seems to cite data from 2003. perhaps it's intended to be alarmist by citing the human death factor, for the average joe who doesnt keep at all abreast of such issues - but other recent data, namely, the mauna loa anomaly and the international arctic science committee's report, appear to harbor much more catastrophic potentiality.
mauna loa is the big one to watch - with 2 years (some would argue even 1), we should know whether or not the major 2 year co2 increase is a fluke - or if it's a sign of runaway global warming (which many say we're technically in now, but accelerated to varying degrees depending on the source). this could trigger methane hydrate deposits to break free from river and seabeds by warming said bodies of water - and then, we're in anything from some really hot water (har) to aworld of shit. (note: latter link is distant future, but theoretically possible)
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Re:did the submitter...
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Re:"Vote With Your Dollar?"-The Pity defense.organizations like NOW and the sierra club are near the pinnacle of human hypocrisy. They are morons if the think they're saving the planet/life. Life has survived long before humans, it will survive long after.
Well yes.
That's exactly the point: the Sierra Club and other organizations to protect the environment are trying to prevent us from destroying the environment to such an extent that human life is put at threat.
Supporting such organizations is almost entirely selfish: global warming and fresh water depletion threaten all human life on this planet. Understand that when the ocean encroaches on Holland and Bangladesh and coastal India, when fresh water depletion brings about famine in Iran and Pakistan, these peoples will not go gently into that good night.
And these peoples who will rage against the dying of their light, all have access to modern military weapons, in some cases including nuclear weapons.
So what do you expect will happen? Faced with starvation or homes inking beneath the waves, millions of people will be looking for new homes and fresh water and food. They won't be humbly petitioning you, "guv'nor can you spare a dime". No, they'll be showing up on your doorstep with machetes, Colt '45s, and cruise missiles to persuade you -- or their neighbors -- to share.
At best, you can expect environmental crashes to mean a greatly reduced standard of living for you as the world adjusts to waves of crop failure and famine. And even as your standard of living declines, as long as your world includes a TV and car and a personal computer and a PS/2 for each person, the guy living in a hut in a village that shares one TV among all inhabitants will look on with envy, and wonder if he's be better off with 72 virgins in Paradise after blowing himself up along with you.
At worst, a nice upstanding Dutch burgher will have to decide between seeing you survive or seeing his kids survive, and six million years of human fratricide bets that, nice as that Dutchman is today, he'll choose for his kids -- just as you'll choose for yours.
Melvin Konner, in the revised (and almost entirely re-written) edition of his classic book subtitled "Biological Constraints on the Human Spirit", The Tangled Wing, explains that (emphasis orthogonal's)United Nations assessments [at the 1992 Rio de Janeiro environmental summit, 12 years ago!] found a continuing loss of topsoil and productive farmland and a growing scarcity of fresh water. In the late nineties a third of the world's people had inadequate fresh water, and this is expected to double to two-thirds by 2020.
Many future wars will be fought over water.
Like you, I was always somewhat contemptuous of "save the environment" activists, until I read about the numerous deserts created by man throughout prehistory, the Near East, in Americas (as by the Anasazi Indians), in the Pacific on Easter Island. Jared Diamond writes movingly -- even shockingly -- about this in several of his books, and in this article (emphasis orthogonal's)
The fifteenth century marked the end not only for Easter's palm but for the forest itself. Its doom had been approaching as people cleared land to plant gardens; as they felled trees to build canoes, to transport and erect statues, and to burn; as rats devoured seeds; and probably as the native birds died out that had pollinated the trees' flowers and dispersed their fruit. The overall picture is among the most extreme examples of forest destruction anywhere in the world: the whole forest gone, and most of its tree species extinct.
The destruction of the island's animals was as extreme as that of the forest: without exception, every species of native land bird became extinct. Even shellfish were overexploited, until people had to settle for small sea snails instead of larger cowries. Porpoise bones disappeared abru
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Re:Health Implications
I believe he is talking about the early days of xrays as we are just now in the early days of lasik and pervasive wireless radio devices in everything that surrounds us.
I know people who were treated for relatively minor facial acne with xrays (by a licensed doctor in the US) in the early days of radiation and have skin cancer now. Medicine/government doesn't like to talk about these types of massive failures because it is same learned and parental organizations who tell people that SRRIs are safe now were telling people that xrays were safe for treating all kinds of crap 50 years ago.
Come on, these SSRIs are probably responsible for the most spectacular killings of the last 10+ years (outside 911) and they are still selling them like nothing is wrong with a cartoon egg who lives in a cave and ladybug on TV. And school districts are forcing parents to put kids on the drugs or threatening to sic the child protective service departemnt on them - all the while the FDA is saying exxxcellent.
What about the recent (last month?) results that show AM radio waves appear to cause cancer, etc?
Re Lasik: Although Cofer's case is extreme, new research suggests that a large percentage of people who have LASIK procedures develop vision problems related to the surgery.
Come on down to Original Joe's Lasik and get better than 20/20 vision, yeah! Oh, please sign here and, uh, here... -
Re:Current state of nanotechnology?Yeah, here's something they can do with nanotechnology today.
Where there is incredible potential for good... it might be worth examining the potential drawbacks as well.
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Re:flooding
Look at this.
or simply read the qoute below:
"In the past, people have been puzzled by the significant variations in sea levels in different parts of the world," says Jerry Mitrovica, a professor of geophysics at the University of Toronto and lead author of the study. "Like throwing water in a bathtub, many scientists assumed that if polar ice melting were contributing to sea level rise, it would present itself evenly and uniformly across the Earth's oceans."
But that assumption, he says, is simply wrong. Mitrovica uses Greenland as an example. It was assumed that if the ice caps on Greenland were melting, all coastal locations would flood evenly. "In fact," Mitrovica says, "if the entire Greenland ice cap melted, then places relatively close by, like Britain and Newfoundland, would actually see sea levels fall. The reason is fairly simple: despite its small size, the Greenland ice sheet exerts a strong gravitational pull on the seas. As the polar sheet melts, it will exert less pull, resulting in lower - not higher - sea levels around Greenland. Of course, sea levels will rise on average, and as the meltwater moves away from Greenland it will create problems for countries in the Southern Hemisphere. In the same way, melting from the Antarctic will raise sea levels in the Northern Hemisphere, but not in places like Australia."
or this. Quote:
"Re-applying a 19th century idea, Dr. Mitrovica and his colleagues showed that each ice sheet has a distinct 'sea level fingerprint.' In general sea levels rise in the opposite hemisphere to the melting ice due to the reduction in the gravitational pull of the ice mass.
"The very idea that sea levels should rise uniformly if the ice sheets are melting is wrong. It's dramatically non-uniform," he says. "If the Greenland ice sheet melted tomorrow there'd be flooding in the southern hemisphere but a sea-level fall in Scotland and Newfoundland."" -
Re:Space is hotting up indeedWhat do we really have to gain from space travel/exploration?
All this money spent on space travel should be used for domestic issues."anyhoo. maybe there is still a chance for me to visit mars before I die eh?"
I too dream of love slaves from the planet B3k.
I find the tech fascinating but it seems like weapons manufacturers are really the ones who benefit from it.
Just a thought.
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How will it affect Homo Sapiens?
Dairy farmers have been giving hormones to dairy cows to produce more milk, and beef farmers have been giving to shorten the time to market for poultry. What we see as a result, are more and more children reaching puberty at younger ages and appearing older than they are...yes there is some creedence to the old joke "Your Honor, she looked eighteen!" Will a tearless onion mean we will eventually loose the ability to tear ourselves? I doubt it, but what ever change they make in the onion will eventually make a change in us.