Domain: edison2.com
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Comments · 13
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Re: It's not covert, they were over-bearing
http://edison2.com/the-x-prize...
https://auto.xprize.org/prizes...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...Few more links for the collection.
Gratifying to know AC thinks I own Progressive Insurance and Edison2.
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Re: It's not covert, they were over-bearing
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Re: Get back to me when you can charge it in 3 min
What's so exasperating is that manufacturers and the public still aren't taking aerodynamics seriously enough. How smooth is the underside of your electric car? Probably nowhere near as smooth as it could be. Last time I looked, the Leaf had a structural crosshatch pattern showing on the underside. Overlarge grill openings at the front are still quite common. Many people feel that wheel skirts are ugly and will even take them off though that causes 5% more fuel consumption. The fuel economy could be doubled just with better aero. Take a look at the Aerocivic. 95 mpg! The electric version of the Very Light Car gets more than double the range of the Leaf.
But no. That low hanging fruit is left to rot on the tree, while people whine about and sweat over range anxiety.
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Make Cars Lighter and AreodynamicYou need to look no farther than the winner of the Progressive Insurance Automotive X Prize (mainstream class). They decided that light weight and aerodynamics was key. It had meet some tough standards.
The goal: a car with mileage greater than 100 MPGe. The requirements: 4 passengers, 4 wheels, range exceeding 200 miles, 0-60 in less than 15 seconds, meeting Consumers Union dynamic safety standards and Tier 2 Bin 8 emissions.
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Make Cars Lighter and AreodynamicYou need to look no farther than the winner of the Progressive Insurance Automotive X Prize (mainstream class). They decided that light weight and aerodynamics was key. It had meet some tough standards.
The goal: a car with mileage greater than 100 MPGe. The requirements: 4 passengers, 4 wheels, range exceeding 200 miles, 0-60 in less than 15 seconds, meeting Consumers Union dynamic safety standards and Tier 2 Bin 8 emissions.
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Re:Poor marketing
There were large vehicles long before power steering. Just had high ratios on the steering wheel.
Aluminum is not an expensive, exotic material. And we're looking at the practicality of using more magnesium.
I have driven my slow car on the freeway. It's nowhere near as bad as you make out. The average loaded 18 wheeler needs over 60 seconds to accelerate from 0 to 60, would you call that dangerously underpowered? Doesn't sound like you appreciate just how fast 0-60 in 5 seconds is. That's modern muscle car territory. Most newer cars are around 8 seconds, and they're only that fast because power has been steadily creeping up over the years.
You say that the changes I mention aren't significant, that 20 pounds isn't much, and 2% isn't much of an improvement in economy. But that's exactly how you get good economy! A little here, and a little there, and pretty soon you've saved hundreds of pounds and improved fuel economy by 20% or more. And you will get improvements that large.
A 100 mpg car that seats 4 and is comfortable does exist: Edison2. Why did you give up on the idea of a tandem car? I've thought of those as well, and wondered if they could be made long enough to hold 4 people and still fit in a parking spot. Or, could the seating be a little tighter, somewhat like in a bobsled? As for safety, they can be better than standard vehicles. More crush space to work with on the sides.
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Re:Lighter is betterWhile the vehicle has not been crash tested, it is designed with safety in mind. The Edision2 website states:
Innovations that allow drivers to walk away from high-speed crashes, such as collapsible space not available in other cars and a shape that deflects rather engages on impact, enhance safety in our low-mass vehicle.
Keep in mind, this vehicle was designed by engineers that used to work for racing teams. They know how to make a car that's both light weight and safe.
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Re:Lighter is betterWhile the vehicle has not been crash tested, it is designed with safety in mind. The Edision2 website states:
Innovations that allow drivers to walk away from high-speed crashes, such as collapsible space not available in other cars and a shape that deflects rather engages on impact, enhance safety in our low-mass vehicle.
Keep in mind, this vehicle was designed by engineers that used to work for racing teams. They know how to make a car that's both light weight and safe.
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Lighter is better
When talking about fuel economy, team Edison2 have proven, light weight and low drag beat hybrids with heavy batteries.
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Re:Nice car
(Imaginary, I'm convinced this won't happen; otherwise why wouldn't you just build a gasoline engine?)
You don't run on pure gasoline because it's not as suitable for exhaust gas recirculation.
In a nutshell, to accelerate efficiently AND cruise efficiently, internal combustion engines need to pump something other than fuel/air into cylinders. E85 is more tolerant of a wide range of "richnesses" and is more suitable to being diluted by exhaust gas.
Read more here: http://www.edison2.com/blog/2010/6/9/e85.html
My First Post Ever after lurking for a decade!
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Re:Cognitive dissonance
http://www.edison2.com/tech-specs/
This agrees with both TFA and TFS, looks like a 2-door 4-passenger car. I wonder what the gas mileage is with 4 passengers though? The thing weighs 800 lbs, but with 4 160-lb(or more, this is America) people, that is nearly doubled.
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Re:Cognitive dissonance
It looks like they opted for non-scarce materials according to the official site:
The Very Light Car is a more sustainable vehicle. Not just efficient to drive, but cradle-to-grave environmentally responsible. Less mass means fewer material inputs. Energy intensive materials and hazardous or scarce materials are largely avoided in favor of conventional materials, such as aluminum and steel, that are readily available, easily made in volume, and completely recyclable.
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Official Edison2 website