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US Pumps $175M Into Advanced Auto Fuel Research
coondoggie writes "In the wake of new fuel efficiency standards, the Energy Department this week spotted 40 new research projects $175 million to develop everything from light-weight building materials to electronics and advanced fuel. Last month, the U.S. set new fuel efficiency standards for cars and light trucks, saying they must hit 54.5 miles per gallon by Model Year 2025. The projects awarded contracts should address some of the issues involved in making cars and trucks more fuel efficient. At least that's the idea."
Reminds me of this guy and his water+naptha stuff
http://inventors.about.com/od/wstartinventions/a/water_fuel.htm
http://www.epa.gov/etv/pubs/600r980035.pdf
Because politicians produce more than enough of it.
Also journalists. Because they're full of crap. Oh wait, it can be burned for fuel. Hmm.
I'm a little disappointed that they thing we'd even be using gasoline in that far-flung future. Aren't there a bunch of competing technologies just around the corner, if not ON that corner?
The problem with alternative car fuels is that they're a solution to the wrong problem: the real issue is that it's not sustainable for every person on the planet to transport himself and two tons of metal an average distance of sixteen miles one-way as part of a daily commute.
and move to a 4 day work week. That will cut down on the need for transport and put more people to work as well.
Did they consider we might be nearing the end of the road for pure gas efficiency? Just wondering if *any* science ever factors into these decisions. As if engineers can engineer anything given time!!
A Prius may do over 50mpg but that is only because it does not run on gas for a decent portion of it.
For those not in the US, Google says* that the target in TFA is equivalent to ~4.3 litres/100km.
That figure is very close to the' 'official' stated fuel consumption of the Toyota Prius. So it's a pretty ambitious target considering we are talking about light trucks here.
* (Google's unit conversion feature continues to surprise me with what it can do - in this case turning a distance per volume and turning it into a volume per multiple of a different distance. Nifty.)
Why is everyone neglecting aerodynamics?
http://www.aerocivic.com/ proved that just some simple changes made a huge difference.
The dimple test on Mythbusters was another relatively simple change that made a huge difference.
http://dsc.discovery.com/videos/mythbusters-dimpled-car-minimyth.html
Considering how much money the government has and the scale of the fuel crisis, I wouldn't call this pumping money into solving the problem. More like a dribble.
That would be thorium. 1 gram would cost you under 10 bucks.
If I didn't have absolutely NOTHING to do, I wouldn't be here.
Make it hard to get a driver's license.
More of the same coming from a government - spend more money on more shit that government sees as profitable. But this has nothing with profitability of a business, this has to do with profitability for various government contractors.
Who is to say that if all of this credit, that government is crowding the private sector out of was available to the private sector, that the private sector would be sinking all of this into more oil research?
Why not real alternative ways to generate energy, like miniature nuclear reactors?
Anyway, I expect a bunch of pro-government replies and mods in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1 ...
You can't handle the truth.
what about 4 days a week with 9-10 hours a day?
Does anyone know if the new fuel standards close the loophole that allow SUVs and trucks to be exempt from the standards?
It's around 0.0001 times what they gave to the banks for free.
How much do the oil companies get?
How much do the agribusinesses get to make ethanol?
It's laughable.
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According to Wiki, "light truck" means any vehicle capable of carrying less than 4,000 lbs. Your most popular minivans, SUVs and pickups will fit into that category.
But note that the proposed standard is an average of the entire fleet. So in 2025, for every subcompacts with 100mpg, there could be an SUV with mileage essentially unchanged from today. (This isn't quite true. Each category--cars, light trucks, etc.--has to meet certain improvements within the category.)
It's not a horrible approach. And the best approaches are probably politically unfeasible. If the US raised gas taxes to a level that would capture true costs of using that gas, the market would shit to higher mpg vehicles all on its own. But good luck getting a 100% or 150% federal tax on gasoline and diesel passed.
As one example, the shape of Toyota's redesign of the Yaris in 2007 was largely a function of work to maximize aerodynamic efficiency.
Sure, you'll find a few vehicles like the VW Bug that have atrocious designs that simply cannot be made aerodynamic. But for the most part all of the major manufacturers have been doing extensive windtunnel testing for at least the past ten years.
Or have you not noticed that fewer and fewer cars on the road have straight lines and pointy corners?
Methanol is the obvious solution (which is why everyone ignores it). We need to destroy the oil cartel that is looting our country--we can't do that when we only control a few percent of the fuel market.
But we have lots of coal and natural gas from which we can easily produce lots of methanol. Adapting new cars to run on any combination of gasoline and methanol is trivial, you just have to reprogram the ECU and make sure the fuel lines are up to snuff. And to be clear, a flex-fuel car can run on BOTH methanol and gasoline, you have a choice.
Methanol can also be made from any source of biomass, so it can be renewable and global-warming neutral too. Unfortunately, the car companies are owned by people who have even larger stakes in the oil industry, so they will never voluntarily make all their cars flex-fueled. Congress needs to mandate that all new cars sold in the U.S. be flex-fueled. It's as simple as that to get out of this mess. No "alternative fuel research" required.
phart in a jar!
I was really wondering why there wasn't more news about the automakers belly aching about the new Obama CAFE standards. I guess they figgured they would get subsidized for the research, and ultimately pass the costs to the consumer anyway, so why should they care?
OBTW moves like this are full of unintended consequences. Federal regulators push for things like reduced oil change intervals has resulted in manufacturers increasing the recommended interval up to 15-25K miles, with little mechanical changes. Sure modern synthetics are great, but not that great. Ultimately the manufacturer is accepting reduced service life of the vehicle to meet the requirements. This results in less oil used over the life of the car, but reduces the life of the car resulting in more waste of energy required in manufacture.
Same story for run flat tires.
Anything to spring us 15 years into the future so we can surprise the fusion researchers.
I swear to God...I swear to God! That is NOT how you treat your human!
This seems extremely low to me, cars already do that today. When the U.S reaches 54.5 mpg in 2025 other countries will be on 75-100 mpg.
I've got one ticket to Somalia for you to put your money where your mouth is. Are you up for it, spineless coward?
Hooray! The Somalia strawman! You win the prize!
What an idiot.
"Alternative fuel research" means lots of money to big corporation so they can indefinitely "research" crap, and should they ever find out something AND find out how to gouge the "little people" for it, then they will reveal it.
Sorry, but that is just chump change. There is no serious alternative energy policy in the U.S.
Need to stop throwing my hard earned money away into a black hole. Stop spending!!!!
who are we to assume is right?
CAFE standards are "gamed" A car which is flex fuel gets credit for mileage than it can ever do on gasoline alone. A 12 to 16 mile per gallon truck might count for over 20 when it comes to CAFE standards, hell it could count as more.
The Euro standard always shows higher numbers than can be achieved under US standards, same for Japan. So yeah, they might just claim they have higher mileage cars, up until they are measured by the same standards.
* Winners compare their achievements to their goals, losers compare theirs to that of others.
Sure, as long as you give me a couple dozen of our largest FAE's and a company of Recon to clear out the local despots(a form of government.) and their fanatics first. Then I'll start Galt's Gulch. The idea that because some lines drawn on a map of the pisshole that is Africa no longer denote a single government entity means there is no government left is utterly fucking asinine.
The wiki snippet says the patent is from 1982. Even counting a few years of filling, by now the patent should be expired : we are 29 years afterward.
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Here's one that uses no fuel at all => http://tinyurl.com/superpage007 => available NOW not 2050.
What's that, like 2 seconds worth of GDP? Wake me up when we get serious about something besides paying minorities to sit on their asses smoking weed and popping out welfare babies.
You must be from China.
I see so many people driving cars with just themselves in it, burning fuel to haul empty seats with them. Why not build 2 stage detachable cars? A 2 seater for commuting to work that can be snapped to a back seat module for shopping, kids etc?
One thing I always hear when people talk about the uber small cars or the cars with very light materials is something along the lines of "what will happen to me if some gluttonous polluting selfish schmuck in an SUV or Minivan hits me?"
I think they have a valid point.
Cars are going to have to get lighter and less resilient to get gas mileage up. SUVS being on the road are a barrier.
you give me a couple dozen of our largest FAE's and a company of Recon to clear out the local despots(a form of government.) and their fanatics first.
Once you do that you become government by default, whether you think so or not.
THANK YOU! Those local despots are good free-market despots. If ravenshrike goes in and clears them out, he is the new government. Even if he leaves afterwards he's just making room for new despots who will effectively be the new government.
The admission from a libertarian that a non-government entity can effectively become a government is, in effect, a strong renunciation of the ideology, whether he realizes it or not.
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Government is a position of authority where a subject is directed to become more like the local inhabitants.
What you see today is not Government: it's a reason to lay taxes on everyone who is different from that Government not from eachother. If a country is nothing but a bunch of rapists with AIDS, then the people would elect a Government to tax anyone that doesn't have AIDS and hasn't been raped. Who has allegiance to whom? Voting has been said to be the pivotal document that binds a voter to the mass-elected plan for the people to be subject to a new course of action by Government, and voting is not just a simple opinion of your beliefs but you looking to pool your shitty ideals with others and if anyone is similar to yours then you have a chance to push something in common with force onto your neighbor. Voting is rebellion against the existing ideals to force someone else to yours. The secret about voting is if nobody votes then you will still be forced to the ideals of Government: because the perview is that only Criminals are governed, whereas if you did no deviate your activities then you are supposedly civil. Voters are people that have been conquered, domesticated, and are interacting with their conquerors the standing military occupation to reason with their differences using money. At what point do you own property and at what point is it abridged, but Internationaly when you secure land not domestically through Government.
The position of Government has long been held by religious execution, not by a religion, but someone of esteemed frugal character. For purposes of limited perview of which a Government asserts itself, often a Title of Nobility is drafted to sit as government rather than a general government unnecessarily warded upon all;where the population grow, a Government has been said to be more effective when held by a person of a association or corporation. Today, Government is often a confederation of Corporations spanning across multiple countries as a service route holding those positions of office to adapt multiple regions into a uniform conduct or union.
As long as ButaMax (IIRC actually BP and DuPont) is able to wield control over the process for making Butanol affordably even though the studies were conducted at public institutions with public money, I don't give one tenth of one fuck about what the government spends on fuel research, since I know it will only be used to fuck me.
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And got modded down for telling the twuth. Ooh poor widdle wetawd needs his hug-box wets have a pity-pawty!