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For those too lazy to look it up
Tim Berners-Lee (from www.everything2.com)
"The creator of the World Wide Web. Probably had no idea that his scheme for presenting physics research would be used for fishcams, porn, or Everything."
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"The man started with grand ethereal visions; he uses the phrase 'World Wide Web' to mean 'the universe of information'. His approach to getting there on the other hand was extremely down to earth: in practice, the Web is a simple and practical methodology for document exchange over TCP/IP, based on a new universal Internet document addressing method, the URL, a new TCP/IP protocol, HTTP, and a new document descripton language, HTML, and it reached the world in the form of a functional range of software tools, originally programmed on the NeXT platform in Objective C, later ported to C to work on other platforms.
His team's combination of very high reaching ideals and a very practical approach to implementation, later shared by other Web pioneers, accounts for its enormous success.
I will never forget the sight of him at one of the early WWW conferences, where thousands of people, including the big guys from some of the big software vendors and research labs, and people like Ted Nelson, had come to his workplace, the CERN lab in Geneva, to share the excitement about this new world of interlinked information that once had existed only in his own mind. He was nervous and seemed pretty much overwhelmed by the whole event. It's exciting to see a man's wildest dream become reality!"
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For those too lazy to look it up
Tim Berners-Lee (from www.everything2.com)
"The creator of the World Wide Web. Probably had no idea that his scheme for presenting physics research would be used for fishcams, porn, or Everything."
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"The man started with grand ethereal visions; he uses the phrase 'World Wide Web' to mean 'the universe of information'. His approach to getting there on the other hand was extremely down to earth: in practice, the Web is a simple and practical methodology for document exchange over TCP/IP, based on a new universal Internet document addressing method, the URL, a new TCP/IP protocol, HTTP, and a new document descripton language, HTML, and it reached the world in the form of a functional range of software tools, originally programmed on the NeXT platform in Objective C, later ported to C to work on other platforms.
His team's combination of very high reaching ideals and a very practical approach to implementation, later shared by other Web pioneers, accounts for its enormous success.
I will never forget the sight of him at one of the early WWW conferences, where thousands of people, including the big guys from some of the big software vendors and research labs, and people like Ted Nelson, had come to his workplace, the CERN lab in Geneva, to share the excitement about this new world of interlinked information that once had existed only in his own mind. He was nervous and seemed pretty much overwhelmed by the whole event. It's exciting to see a man's wildest dream become reality!"
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For those too lazy to look it up
Tim Berners-Lee (from www.everything2.com)
"The creator of the World Wide Web. Probably had no idea that his scheme for presenting physics research would be used for fishcams, porn, or Everything."
or
"The man started with grand ethereal visions; he uses the phrase 'World Wide Web' to mean 'the universe of information'. His approach to getting there on the other hand was extremely down to earth: in practice, the Web is a simple and practical methodology for document exchange over TCP/IP, based on a new universal Internet document addressing method, the URL, a new TCP/IP protocol, HTTP, and a new document descripton language, HTML, and it reached the world in the form of a functional range of software tools, originally programmed on the NeXT platform in Objective C, later ported to C to work on other platforms.
His team's combination of very high reaching ideals and a very practical approach to implementation, later shared by other Web pioneers, accounts for its enormous success.
I will never forget the sight of him at one of the early WWW conferences, where thousands of people, including the big guys from some of the big software vendors and research labs, and people like Ted Nelson, had come to his workplace, the CERN lab in Geneva, to share the excitement about this new world of interlinked information that once had existed only in his own mind. He was nervous and seemed pretty much overwhelmed by the whole event. It's exciting to see a man's wildest dream become reality!"
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For those too lazy to look it up
Tim Berners-Lee (from www.everything2.com)
"The creator of the World Wide Web. Probably had no idea that his scheme for presenting physics research would be used for fishcams, porn, or Everything."
or
"The man started with grand ethereal visions; he uses the phrase 'World Wide Web' to mean 'the universe of information'. His approach to getting there on the other hand was extremely down to earth: in practice, the Web is a simple and practical methodology for document exchange over TCP/IP, based on a new universal Internet document addressing method, the URL, a new TCP/IP protocol, HTTP, and a new document descripton language, HTML, and it reached the world in the form of a functional range of software tools, originally programmed on the NeXT platform in Objective C, later ported to C to work on other platforms.
His team's combination of very high reaching ideals and a very practical approach to implementation, later shared by other Web pioneers, accounts for its enormous success.
I will never forget the sight of him at one of the early WWW conferences, where thousands of people, including the big guys from some of the big software vendors and research labs, and people like Ted Nelson, had come to his workplace, the CERN lab in Geneva, to share the excitement about this new world of interlinked information that once had existed only in his own mind. He was nervous and seemed pretty much overwhelmed by the whole event. It's exciting to see a man's wildest dream become reality!"
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For those too lazy to look it up
Tim Berners-Lee (from www.everything2.com)
"The creator of the World Wide Web. Probably had no idea that his scheme for presenting physics research would be used for fishcams, porn, or Everything."
or
"The man started with grand ethereal visions; he uses the phrase 'World Wide Web' to mean 'the universe of information'. His approach to getting there on the other hand was extremely down to earth: in practice, the Web is a simple and practical methodology for document exchange over TCP/IP, based on a new universal Internet document addressing method, the URL, a new TCP/IP protocol, HTTP, and a new document descripton language, HTML, and it reached the world in the form of a functional range of software tools, originally programmed on the NeXT platform in Objective C, later ported to C to work on other platforms.
His team's combination of very high reaching ideals and a very practical approach to implementation, later shared by other Web pioneers, accounts for its enormous success.
I will never forget the sight of him at one of the early WWW conferences, where thousands of people, including the big guys from some of the big software vendors and research labs, and people like Ted Nelson, had come to his workplace, the CERN lab in Geneva, to share the excitement about this new world of interlinked information that once had existed only in his own mind. He was nervous and seemed pretty much overwhelmed by the whole event. It's exciting to see a man's wildest dream become reality!"
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For those too lazy to look it up
Tim Berners-Lee (from www.everything2.com)
"The creator of the World Wide Web. Probably had no idea that his scheme for presenting physics research would be used for fishcams, porn, or Everything."
or
"The man started with grand ethereal visions; he uses the phrase 'World Wide Web' to mean 'the universe of information'. His approach to getting there on the other hand was extremely down to earth: in practice, the Web is a simple and practical methodology for document exchange over TCP/IP, based on a new universal Internet document addressing method, the URL, a new TCP/IP protocol, HTTP, and a new document descripton language, HTML, and it reached the world in the form of a functional range of software tools, originally programmed on the NeXT platform in Objective C, later ported to C to work on other platforms.
His team's combination of very high reaching ideals and a very practical approach to implementation, later shared by other Web pioneers, accounts for its enormous success.
I will never forget the sight of him at one of the early WWW conferences, where thousands of people, including the big guys from some of the big software vendors and research labs, and people like Ted Nelson, had come to his workplace, the CERN lab in Geneva, to share the excitement about this new world of interlinked information that once had existed only in his own mind. He was nervous and seemed pretty much overwhelmed by the whole event. It's exciting to see a man's wildest dream become reality!"
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For those too lazy to look it up
Tim Berners-Lee (from www.everything2.com)
"The creator of the World Wide Web. Probably had no idea that his scheme for presenting physics research would be used for fishcams, porn, or Everything."
or
"The man started with grand ethereal visions; he uses the phrase 'World Wide Web' to mean 'the universe of information'. His approach to getting there on the other hand was extremely down to earth: in practice, the Web is a simple and practical methodology for document exchange over TCP/IP, based on a new universal Internet document addressing method, the URL, a new TCP/IP protocol, HTTP, and a new document descripton language, HTML, and it reached the world in the form of a functional range of software tools, originally programmed on the NeXT platform in Objective C, later ported to C to work on other platforms.
His team's combination of very high reaching ideals and a very practical approach to implementation, later shared by other Web pioneers, accounts for its enormous success.
I will never forget the sight of him at one of the early WWW conferences, where thousands of people, including the big guys from some of the big software vendors and research labs, and people like Ted Nelson, had come to his workplace, the CERN lab in Geneva, to share the excitement about this new world of interlinked information that once had existed only in his own mind. He was nervous and seemed pretty much overwhelmed by the whole event. It's exciting to see a man's wildest dream become reality!"
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For those too lazy to look it up
Tim Berners-Lee (from www.everything2.com)
"The creator of the World Wide Web. Probably had no idea that his scheme for presenting physics research would be used for fishcams, porn, or Everything."
or
"The man started with grand ethereal visions; he uses the phrase 'World Wide Web' to mean 'the universe of information'. His approach to getting there on the other hand was extremely down to earth: in practice, the Web is a simple and practical methodology for document exchange over TCP/IP, based on a new universal Internet document addressing method, the URL, a new TCP/IP protocol, HTTP, and a new document descripton language, HTML, and it reached the world in the form of a functional range of software tools, originally programmed on the NeXT platform in Objective C, later ported to C to work on other platforms.
His team's combination of very high reaching ideals and a very practical approach to implementation, later shared by other Web pioneers, accounts for its enormous success.
I will never forget the sight of him at one of the early WWW conferences, where thousands of people, including the big guys from some of the big software vendors and research labs, and people like Ted Nelson, had come to his workplace, the CERN lab in Geneva, to share the excitement about this new world of interlinked information that once had existed only in his own mind. He was nervous and seemed pretty much overwhelmed by the whole event. It's exciting to see a man's wildest dream become reality!"
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For those too lazy to look it up
Tim Berners-Lee (from www.everything2.com)
"The creator of the World Wide Web. Probably had no idea that his scheme for presenting physics research would be used for fishcams, porn, or Everything."
or
"The man started with grand ethereal visions; he uses the phrase 'World Wide Web' to mean 'the universe of information'. His approach to getting there on the other hand was extremely down to earth: in practice, the Web is a simple and practical methodology for document exchange over TCP/IP, based on a new universal Internet document addressing method, the URL, a new TCP/IP protocol, HTTP, and a new document descripton language, HTML, and it reached the world in the form of a functional range of software tools, originally programmed on the NeXT platform in Objective C, later ported to C to work on other platforms.
His team's combination of very high reaching ideals and a very practical approach to implementation, later shared by other Web pioneers, accounts for its enormous success.
I will never forget the sight of him at one of the early WWW conferences, where thousands of people, including the big guys from some of the big software vendors and research labs, and people like Ted Nelson, had come to his workplace, the CERN lab in Geneva, to share the excitement about this new world of interlinked information that once had existed only in his own mind. He was nervous and seemed pretty much overwhelmed by the whole event. It's exciting to see a man's wildest dream become reality!"
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For those too lazy to look it up
Tim Berners-Lee (from www.everything2.com)
"The creator of the World Wide Web. Probably had no idea that his scheme for presenting physics research would be used for fishcams, porn, or Everything."
or
"The man started with grand ethereal visions; he uses the phrase 'World Wide Web' to mean 'the universe of information'. His approach to getting there on the other hand was extremely down to earth: in practice, the Web is a simple and practical methodology for document exchange over TCP/IP, based on a new universal Internet document addressing method, the URL, a new TCP/IP protocol, HTTP, and a new document descripton language, HTML, and it reached the world in the form of a functional range of software tools, originally programmed on the NeXT platform in Objective C, later ported to C to work on other platforms.
His team's combination of very high reaching ideals and a very practical approach to implementation, later shared by other Web pioneers, accounts for its enormous success.
I will never forget the sight of him at one of the early WWW conferences, where thousands of people, including the big guys from some of the big software vendors and research labs, and people like Ted Nelson, had come to his workplace, the CERN lab in Geneva, to share the excitement about this new world of interlinked information that once had existed only in his own mind. He was nervous and seemed pretty much overwhelmed by the whole event. It's exciting to see a man's wildest dream become reality!"
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For those too lazy to look it up
Tim Berners-Lee (from www.everything2.com)
"The creator of the World Wide Web. Probably had no idea that his scheme for presenting physics research would be used for fishcams, porn, or Everything."
or
"The man started with grand ethereal visions; he uses the phrase 'World Wide Web' to mean 'the universe of information'. His approach to getting there on the other hand was extremely down to earth: in practice, the Web is a simple and practical methodology for document exchange over TCP/IP, based on a new universal Internet document addressing method, the URL, a new TCP/IP protocol, HTTP, and a new document descripton language, HTML, and it reached the world in the form of a functional range of software tools, originally programmed on the NeXT platform in Objective C, later ported to C to work on other platforms.
His team's combination of very high reaching ideals and a very practical approach to implementation, later shared by other Web pioneers, accounts for its enormous success.
I will never forget the sight of him at one of the early WWW conferences, where thousands of people, including the big guys from some of the big software vendors and research labs, and people like Ted Nelson, had come to his workplace, the CERN lab in Geneva, to share the excitement about this new world of interlinked information that once had existed only in his own mind. He was nervous and seemed pretty much overwhelmed by the whole event. It's exciting to see a man's wildest dream become reality!"
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Open, documented textual graphics format
On July 20, 1969, Neil Armstrong was the first man to walk on the surface of the moon. Here is a picture, in an open, documented graphics format
And the format is called ASCII art. Just use this simple program to convert your 1-bit
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Open, documented textual graphics format
On July 20, 1969, Neil Armstrong was the first man to walk on the surface of the moon. Here is a picture, in an open, documented graphics format
And the format is called ASCII art. Just use this simple program to convert your 1-bit
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Bones?
THIS STORY IS NOW OFFICIALY CLOSED
Who do you think you are? Dem Bones of E2 trying to close a "getting to know you" node?
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Bones?
THIS STORY IS NOW OFFICIALY CLOSED
Who do you think you are? Dem Bones of E2 trying to close a "getting to know you" node?
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Everything2
Take a look at E2. Very well done community site, without all the trolling of
./. (Also the only site I allow to transmit advertisements to me.)
Cheers,
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Re:Buttholes is a bit strong, isn't it?
"That vicious assault of yours, when you laced into a satiric piece on the IRA *was* quite the classic. When I downvoted it and saw how low the rep was, a more-than-mild feeling of pity arose."
Um, I can only conclude that you've got mixed up somewhere along the line, for the following reasons:
- I've never had a negative rep on a node about the IRA
- I've yet to see a "satiric" piece about the IRA on E2
- If you can show that I have ever written anything that could be described as a "vicious assault", I will be very surprised.
I'm not sure if you're trying to say that I wrote a satiric piece on the IRA, or that I "assaulted" such a piece. Either way, I have no idea what you're talking about. Anything I've written about the IRA on E2 is still available, so I would be obliged if you could point out the one you're talking about.
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Everything2 April Troll's Day
The worst April Fool's joke by far was on e2, mentioned a while back in slashdot.
The e2 gods write a Perl script to convert write-ups in to l33t-speak, or backwards, and that was funny.
Then they started playing with the buttons and the XP, and that was funny.
Then they created troll accounts, and turned the chatterbox in to an AOL chat-room which was funny. For about three minutes.
Then they pretended e2 had been rooted, and while it was a little funny, people started getting seriously panicked.
Then they started flaming/impersonating users' who had left the system(respected noders in one case), which wasn't funny.
And their trolling continued for fourteen hours. Which was not funny.
As a result, at least one furious noder has left, and the reputation of the e2 Gods has become, well, a little tarnished.
Granted, it's their database, etc., but it relys on noders, and it relys on noders respecting the power structure of e2. To quote a node on the subject: "Ack! You've lost the trust of the noders!"
Posted as AC because I have an acct. with the same nick on e2, and and the e2 Gods have already displayed more than a little bad judgement when nuking write-ups.
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Re:what a second...
Never watched any of the SNLs from when Dan Aykroyd was still on it as a regular castmember, did you? How about this link on Everything2?
--Joe
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Re:God, I hope this works...
Well, the first link I found about that subject was in Everything2, here.
Tongue-tied and twisted, just an earth-bound misfit, I -
What isn't on the internet?
Everything. Yet.
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Re:Money Laundering comes to e-commerceThe interesting bit is the use of technology to set up a new gold-convertible currency (as when the Gold Standard ?was the rule).
If enough people trust it (and if this is really backed by gold there are no reasons not to) then paper money will become less standard (it won't disappear since it's legal tender) with potentially important consequences such as reduced importance of monetary policy as decided by the Federal Reserve.
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Re:AHH, HYPERCARD. YOU KIDS. WHEN I WAS YOUR AGE..Ha! OK, i was *afraid* that story would turn out to be incorrect. That only makes hypercard all the cooler, though, now doesn't it; it WAS visual basic, earlier, and in a more elegant fashion, with a more elegant backing "language" to boot. And i'll assume your agreement covers the fact that had apple continued to update Hypercard, it could now be everything visual basic is now and more..
:shrugs;Please excuse me if my memories on this subject are not too clear, i was two years old at the time and i am working off things i heard later
:) There *was* some kind of thing going on involving hypercard and microsoft, i *think*, but i have just violated my right to speak on this subject i suppose ^_^Please forgive me. I honestly really hate people who post vaguely remembered information on slashdot without checking their facts for correctness first, i am chagrined to find myself one of them =_=.
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Strictly speaking...
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Strictly speaking...
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Re:Buttholes is a bit strong, isn't it?
"It's pretty easy to pump out the same generic humor BS that will get upvoted- what's hard is writing something in disagreement with most E2 noders' beliefs. Such as something pro-Christianity, pro-life, anti-drugs, pro-Bush, etc."
I don't think this is an E2-specific problem. Weak, bland humour certainly does get upvoted, but this is because in general, it's non-controversial. Personally, I despise lame writeups of this type, but I feel I'm in the minority. Political nodes, on the other hand, are almost certain to draw downvotes from people who disagree with your stance. This does not only apply to the political stance you describe. I have had many nodes expressing my "liberal" European views downvoted into oblivion. Try writing a node which advocates gun control and, although there are many users who will agree with you, you will swiftly attract the downvotes of those who don't.
In the time I've been with E2, the political wind has blown in various different directions. Users have stormed out because they feel their Conservative views are unpopular, and other users have done the same because they felt Conservatives won't give them a hearing, but I don't feel there has been a consistent bias overall.
In any case, the trick is to remain above all this, and just contribute.
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An interesting chapter in E2's history.
Presuming the author of the above comment is who I think he is, you can read about this whole sorry affair at http://everything2.com/index.pl?node=DMan
As you will probably detect from his comment, DMan was not the most conciliatory of writers. Many people felt that his incendiary writings were poisoning the atmosphere on E2. I'll leave you to judge this for yourself by reading the above comment, and his E2 writeups, 930 of which remain.
All I will say is that I've never before seen such consistent use of the "You started it" defence!
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An interesting chapter in E2's history.
Presuming the author of the above comment is who I think he is, you can read about this whole sorry affair at http://everything2.com/index.pl?node=DMan
As you will probably detect from his comment, DMan was not the most conciliatory of writers. Many people felt that his incendiary writings were poisoning the atmosphere on E2. I'll leave you to judge this for yourself by reading the above comment, and his E2 writeups, 930 of which remain.
All I will say is that I've never before seen such consistent use of the "You started it" defence!
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ACK!! Bad link!
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Re:Moderation FAILURE of E2
Silly boy, the E2 "elite" have nothing to do with that. Every E2 denizen, no matter how long they've been there, has exactly one vote per writeup.
I understand that, I've been around for almost a year, you know. However, I still stand by my original statment for two reasons.
1. Yes, everybody gets one vote--however the long-timers have enormous influence over the shaping of everything (this is acknowledged in the FAQ). So you're a newbie, first day on everything, and being the contientious netizen you are, you decide to lurk for a few days and see what flies and what doesn't. You come across crap like "REMOVE," written by a god no less, and see it voted through the roof and therefore take it as a model of supposedly good noding.
2. The E2 elite are comprised of every E2 noder. Yes, E2 has high literary standards, but it also has high standards of what is cool enough to warrant upvotes. Stuff that isn't cool enough will be immediately softlinked to "your radical ideas..." nodes, or "did you hear about the man who told his ass how to talk?" Who's going to upvote them now?
Factual noding doesn't get as many votes, but they're still loved and cherished and, gradually, voted up by people who find them interesting and/or can verify that they're accurate. Facts are what make e2 relevant, and they're what keep people coming back to the site time and time again.
I find this terribly hard to believe. Why? Nobody talks about them. Nobody upvotes them. Nobody /msg's you to say they liked them. "Node what you know," right? One of my nodes is American Boychoir, about a boarding choir school I attended for three years. (I hate to give away my E2 identity lest it be seen as an attempt at winning some sympathy votes, but the example was so good I had to). In my opinion it's reasonably entertaining, very informative, and a valuable addition to the database (and definitely a unique experience). Yet only 3 people decided they liked it enough to vote for it. Lack of exposure certainly wasn't the issue--it was cooled and therefore sat on the front page for a while. I probably spent an hour, at least, on that node (I'm a slow writer)--to see that only 3 people got anything out of it makes me unlikely to do it again. Organ is another good example, at 4 votes.
Of course, I wouldn't dare write anything like the above on E2 itself: at the very least, I'd get condescending softlinks like "your radical ideas about voting have already occured to others" and "quit your whining." Fine, I am quitting my whining, as well as any noding I might have done, and I don't just write drivel either. I guess I'm just not cool enough for E2.
(aside: it occured to me that this post as well as my previous one could be seen as hypocritical when compared with my sig. I don't have a problem discussing moderation, but statements like "Well, I know this is going to get moderated down, but here goes..." drive me nuts.)
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Re:Moderation FAILURE of E2
Silly boy, the E2 "elite" have nothing to do with that. Every E2 denizen, no matter how long they've been there, has exactly one vote per writeup.
I understand that, I've been around for almost a year, you know. However, I still stand by my original statment for two reasons.
1. Yes, everybody gets one vote--however the long-timers have enormous influence over the shaping of everything (this is acknowledged in the FAQ). So you're a newbie, first day on everything, and being the contientious netizen you are, you decide to lurk for a few days and see what flies and what doesn't. You come across crap like "REMOVE," written by a god no less, and see it voted through the roof and therefore take it as a model of supposedly good noding.
2. The E2 elite are comprised of every E2 noder. Yes, E2 has high literary standards, but it also has high standards of what is cool enough to warrant upvotes. Stuff that isn't cool enough will be immediately softlinked to "your radical ideas..." nodes, or "did you hear about the man who told his ass how to talk?" Who's going to upvote them now?
Factual noding doesn't get as many votes, but they're still loved and cherished and, gradually, voted up by people who find them interesting and/or can verify that they're accurate. Facts are what make e2 relevant, and they're what keep people coming back to the site time and time again.
I find this terribly hard to believe. Why? Nobody talks about them. Nobody upvotes them. Nobody /msg's you to say they liked them. "Node what you know," right? One of my nodes is American Boychoir, about a boarding choir school I attended for three years. (I hate to give away my E2 identity lest it be seen as an attempt at winning some sympathy votes, but the example was so good I had to). In my opinion it's reasonably entertaining, very informative, and a valuable addition to the database (and definitely a unique experience). Yet only 3 people decided they liked it enough to vote for it. Lack of exposure certainly wasn't the issue--it was cooled and therefore sat on the front page for a while. I probably spent an hour, at least, on that node (I'm a slow writer)--to see that only 3 people got anything out of it makes me unlikely to do it again. Organ is another good example, at 4 votes.
Of course, I wouldn't dare write anything like the above on E2 itself: at the very least, I'd get condescending softlinks like "your radical ideas about voting have already occured to others" and "quit your whining." Fine, I am quitting my whining, as well as any noding I might have done, and I don't just write drivel either. I guess I'm just not cool enough for E2.
(aside: it occured to me that this post as well as my previous one could be seen as hypocritical when compared with my sig. I don't have a problem discussing moderation, but statements like "Well, I know this is going to get moderated down, but here goes..." drive me nuts.)
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Re:Everything2:Community yes, source of knowledge,Oh, look, a blanket statement.
I will say quite openly that everything in general does not have what you could call an *emphasis* on factual/informative writings, and i would say that that e2's psychological tendencies to reward the poorly constructed sex jokes written by 14-year-olds and vaguely neglect factual writings *have* probably driven off some people who would have been beneficial to the site (although i would say there have been MINIMAL effects from this). However, i must say i completely completely disagree with what you are saying. What i suspect you are neglecting to realize is that whether e2 is deeply informative or not depends on the *kind* of information you are looking for. If you are looking for scientific or mathematical concepts, then e2 damn near achieves its ultimate goal of providing decent coverage for every single thing you could possibly think of to look for. If you are looking for information on technical things (i.e. computing, programming, UNIX) then e2 is only about halfway there. If you look for serious historical material, you're going to find damn near nothing (a shame, because i think the web-of-definition-links format of e2 would be perfect for history writeups.. but i digress.) E2 has certain places where it is strong and certain places where it is weak, and i for one see the weak places less as a deficiency than i see them as a CHALLENGE, to help e2 grow to encompass those things it neglects now.
I will say this-- if you compare e2 to the more facts-only wiki-like endeavors such as h2g2, you will find that while those site's writings are in general more *in-depth* than the corresponding e2 nodes, e2 has a *much* larger coverage of disparate things. E2 contains general summaries for almost everything there is, but exhaustive coverage of few things. Whether this is a good or a bad thing i cannot say, although i DO know that there are a good number of pockets of extremely esoteric material where e2 just SHINES. E2 may never be as consistent as the moderated h2g2, but i think it's safe to say that you won't see people feeling quite as free to just ramble about pagan holidays and canadian politics and other quirky such things with as little abandon as they do on e2.
The thing you have to keep in mind is that not everyone on Everything has the same goals for the site. The site has no one single use. If everything2 is good at anything, it is leaving people free to slowly mold the site to their own purposes; talk to a bunch of e2 users and you'll find that each one probably has a different vision for where everything2 should go, and it is possible-- given time-- for every single one of those visions to be fulfilled, without interfering with any of the others. You care about the informative aspects; some people on e2 ignore those aspects, and care only about searching for people's life stories. There are people who really just want a community. There are people who just sit around and post collections of elizabethan poetry. The strength of e2, in the end, really lies not in how much content is there *now* but in its flexibility.. because that flexibility in the end gives it the potential to be more than its competitors will ever be.
And one thing you have to give e2: The s/n levels are EXPONENTIALLY higher than they are on slashdot; i would perhaps say, although this varies from part of the site from part of the site, they are even higher than on kuro5hin. And unlike slash or really even kuro, the nature of the site means that you rarely have to wade through crap to get to the good stuff. If you get the hang of looking for things the right way, you can just spend hours clicking through what seems like an endless supply of fascinating material, and learn the entire time, without having to look at a single sex joke.
Taco: fix the god-damn wandermeister!
Thank you. -
Re:Everything2:Community yes, source of knowledge,Oh, look, a blanket statement.
I will say quite openly that everything in general does not have what you could call an *emphasis* on factual/informative writings, and i would say that that e2's psychological tendencies to reward the poorly constructed sex jokes written by 14-year-olds and vaguely neglect factual writings *have* probably driven off some people who would have been beneficial to the site (although i would say there have been MINIMAL effects from this). However, i must say i completely completely disagree with what you are saying. What i suspect you are neglecting to realize is that whether e2 is deeply informative or not depends on the *kind* of information you are looking for. If you are looking for scientific or mathematical concepts, then e2 damn near achieves its ultimate goal of providing decent coverage for every single thing you could possibly think of to look for. If you are looking for information on technical things (i.e. computing, programming, UNIX) then e2 is only about halfway there. If you look for serious historical material, you're going to find damn near nothing (a shame, because i think the web-of-definition-links format of e2 would be perfect for history writeups.. but i digress.) E2 has certain places where it is strong and certain places where it is weak, and i for one see the weak places less as a deficiency than i see them as a CHALLENGE, to help e2 grow to encompass those things it neglects now.
I will say this-- if you compare e2 to the more facts-only wiki-like endeavors such as h2g2, you will find that while those site's writings are in general more *in-depth* than the corresponding e2 nodes, e2 has a *much* larger coverage of disparate things. E2 contains general summaries for almost everything there is, but exhaustive coverage of few things. Whether this is a good or a bad thing i cannot say, although i DO know that there are a good number of pockets of extremely esoteric material where e2 just SHINES. E2 may never be as consistent as the moderated h2g2, but i think it's safe to say that you won't see people feeling quite as free to just ramble about pagan holidays and canadian politics and other quirky such things with as little abandon as they do on e2.
The thing you have to keep in mind is that not everyone on Everything has the same goals for the site. The site has no one single use. If everything2 is good at anything, it is leaving people free to slowly mold the site to their own purposes; talk to a bunch of e2 users and you'll find that each one probably has a different vision for where everything2 should go, and it is possible-- given time-- for every single one of those visions to be fulfilled, without interfering with any of the others. You care about the informative aspects; some people on e2 ignore those aspects, and care only about searching for people's life stories. There are people who really just want a community. There are people who just sit around and post collections of elizabethan poetry. The strength of e2, in the end, really lies not in how much content is there *now* but in its flexibility.. because that flexibility in the end gives it the potential to be more than its competitors will ever be.
And one thing you have to give e2: The s/n levels are EXPONENTIALLY higher than they are on slashdot; i would perhaps say, although this varies from part of the site from part of the site, they are even higher than on kuro5hin. And unlike slash or really even kuro, the nature of the site means that you rarely have to wade through crap to get to the good stuff. If you get the hang of looking for things the right way, you can just spend hours clicking through what seems like an endless supply of fascinating material, and learn the entire time, without having to look at a single sex joke.
Taco: fix the god-damn wandermeister!
Thank you. -
Re:Everything2:Community yes, source of knowledge,Oh, look, a blanket statement.
I will say quite openly that everything in general does not have what you could call an *emphasis* on factual/informative writings, and i would say that that e2's psychological tendencies to reward the poorly constructed sex jokes written by 14-year-olds and vaguely neglect factual writings *have* probably driven off some people who would have been beneficial to the site (although i would say there have been MINIMAL effects from this). However, i must say i completely completely disagree with what you are saying. What i suspect you are neglecting to realize is that whether e2 is deeply informative or not depends on the *kind* of information you are looking for. If you are looking for scientific or mathematical concepts, then e2 damn near achieves its ultimate goal of providing decent coverage for every single thing you could possibly think of to look for. If you are looking for information on technical things (i.e. computing, programming, UNIX) then e2 is only about halfway there. If you look for serious historical material, you're going to find damn near nothing (a shame, because i think the web-of-definition-links format of e2 would be perfect for history writeups.. but i digress.) E2 has certain places where it is strong and certain places where it is weak, and i for one see the weak places less as a deficiency than i see them as a CHALLENGE, to help e2 grow to encompass those things it neglects now.
I will say this-- if you compare e2 to the more facts-only wiki-like endeavors such as h2g2, you will find that while those site's writings are in general more *in-depth* than the corresponding e2 nodes, e2 has a *much* larger coverage of disparate things. E2 contains general summaries for almost everything there is, but exhaustive coverage of few things. Whether this is a good or a bad thing i cannot say, although i DO know that there are a good number of pockets of extremely esoteric material where e2 just SHINES. E2 may never be as consistent as the moderated h2g2, but i think it's safe to say that you won't see people feeling quite as free to just ramble about pagan holidays and canadian politics and other quirky such things with as little abandon as they do on e2.
The thing you have to keep in mind is that not everyone on Everything has the same goals for the site. The site has no one single use. If everything2 is good at anything, it is leaving people free to slowly mold the site to their own purposes; talk to a bunch of e2 users and you'll find that each one probably has a different vision for where everything2 should go, and it is possible-- given time-- for every single one of those visions to be fulfilled, without interfering with any of the others. You care about the informative aspects; some people on e2 ignore those aspects, and care only about searching for people's life stories. There are people who really just want a community. There are people who just sit around and post collections of elizabethan poetry. The strength of e2, in the end, really lies not in how much content is there *now* but in its flexibility.. because that flexibility in the end gives it the potential to be more than its competitors will ever be.
And one thing you have to give e2: The s/n levels are EXPONENTIALLY higher than they are on slashdot; i would perhaps say, although this varies from part of the site from part of the site, they are even higher than on kuro5hin. And unlike slash or really even kuro, the nature of the site means that you rarely have to wade through crap to get to the good stuff. If you get the hang of looking for things the right way, you can just spend hours clicking through what seems like an endless supply of fascinating material, and learn the entire time, without having to look at a single sex joke.
Taco: fix the god-damn wandermeister!
Thank you. -
Re:Everything2:Community yes, source of knowledge,Oh, look, a blanket statement.
I will say quite openly that everything in general does not have what you could call an *emphasis* on factual/informative writings, and i would say that that e2's psychological tendencies to reward the poorly constructed sex jokes written by 14-year-olds and vaguely neglect factual writings *have* probably driven off some people who would have been beneficial to the site (although i would say there have been MINIMAL effects from this). However, i must say i completely completely disagree with what you are saying. What i suspect you are neglecting to realize is that whether e2 is deeply informative or not depends on the *kind* of information you are looking for. If you are looking for scientific or mathematical concepts, then e2 damn near achieves its ultimate goal of providing decent coverage for every single thing you could possibly think of to look for. If you are looking for information on technical things (i.e. computing, programming, UNIX) then e2 is only about halfway there. If you look for serious historical material, you're going to find damn near nothing (a shame, because i think the web-of-definition-links format of e2 would be perfect for history writeups.. but i digress.) E2 has certain places where it is strong and certain places where it is weak, and i for one see the weak places less as a deficiency than i see them as a CHALLENGE, to help e2 grow to encompass those things it neglects now.
I will say this-- if you compare e2 to the more facts-only wiki-like endeavors such as h2g2, you will find that while those site's writings are in general more *in-depth* than the corresponding e2 nodes, e2 has a *much* larger coverage of disparate things. E2 contains general summaries for almost everything there is, but exhaustive coverage of few things. Whether this is a good or a bad thing i cannot say, although i DO know that there are a good number of pockets of extremely esoteric material where e2 just SHINES. E2 may never be as consistent as the moderated h2g2, but i think it's safe to say that you won't see people feeling quite as free to just ramble about pagan holidays and canadian politics and other quirky such things with as little abandon as they do on e2.
The thing you have to keep in mind is that not everyone on Everything has the same goals for the site. The site has no one single use. If everything2 is good at anything, it is leaving people free to slowly mold the site to their own purposes; talk to a bunch of e2 users and you'll find that each one probably has a different vision for where everything2 should go, and it is possible-- given time-- for every single one of those visions to be fulfilled, without interfering with any of the others. You care about the informative aspects; some people on e2 ignore those aspects, and care only about searching for people's life stories. There are people who really just want a community. There are people who just sit around and post collections of elizabethan poetry. The strength of e2, in the end, really lies not in how much content is there *now* but in its flexibility.. because that flexibility in the end gives it the potential to be more than its competitors will ever be.
And one thing you have to give e2: The s/n levels are EXPONENTIALLY higher than they are on slashdot; i would perhaps say, although this varies from part of the site from part of the site, they are even higher than on kuro5hin. And unlike slash or really even kuro, the nature of the site means that you rarely have to wade through crap to get to the good stuff. If you get the hang of looking for things the right way, you can just spend hours clicking through what seems like an endless supply of fascinating material, and learn the entire time, without having to look at a single sex joke.
Taco: fix the god-damn wandermeister!
Thank you. -
Re:Everything2:Community yes, source of knowledge,Oh, look, a blanket statement.
I will say quite openly that everything in general does not have what you could call an *emphasis* on factual/informative writings, and i would say that that e2's psychological tendencies to reward the poorly constructed sex jokes written by 14-year-olds and vaguely neglect factual writings *have* probably driven off some people who would have been beneficial to the site (although i would say there have been MINIMAL effects from this). However, i must say i completely completely disagree with what you are saying. What i suspect you are neglecting to realize is that whether e2 is deeply informative or not depends on the *kind* of information you are looking for. If you are looking for scientific or mathematical concepts, then e2 damn near achieves its ultimate goal of providing decent coverage for every single thing you could possibly think of to look for. If you are looking for information on technical things (i.e. computing, programming, UNIX) then e2 is only about halfway there. If you look for serious historical material, you're going to find damn near nothing (a shame, because i think the web-of-definition-links format of e2 would be perfect for history writeups.. but i digress.) E2 has certain places where it is strong and certain places where it is weak, and i for one see the weak places less as a deficiency than i see them as a CHALLENGE, to help e2 grow to encompass those things it neglects now.
I will say this-- if you compare e2 to the more facts-only wiki-like endeavors such as h2g2, you will find that while those site's writings are in general more *in-depth* than the corresponding e2 nodes, e2 has a *much* larger coverage of disparate things. E2 contains general summaries for almost everything there is, but exhaustive coverage of few things. Whether this is a good or a bad thing i cannot say, although i DO know that there are a good number of pockets of extremely esoteric material where e2 just SHINES. E2 may never be as consistent as the moderated h2g2, but i think it's safe to say that you won't see people feeling quite as free to just ramble about pagan holidays and canadian politics and other quirky such things with as little abandon as they do on e2.
The thing you have to keep in mind is that not everyone on Everything has the same goals for the site. The site has no one single use. If everything2 is good at anything, it is leaving people free to slowly mold the site to their own purposes; talk to a bunch of e2 users and you'll find that each one probably has a different vision for where everything2 should go, and it is possible-- given time-- for every single one of those visions to be fulfilled, without interfering with any of the others. You care about the informative aspects; some people on e2 ignore those aspects, and care only about searching for people's life stories. There are people who really just want a community. There are people who just sit around and post collections of elizabethan poetry. The strength of e2, in the end, really lies not in how much content is there *now* but in its flexibility.. because that flexibility in the end gives it the potential to be more than its competitors will ever be.
And one thing you have to give e2: The s/n levels are EXPONENTIALLY higher than they are on slashdot; i would perhaps say, although this varies from part of the site from part of the site, they are even higher than on kuro5hin. And unlike slash or really even kuro, the nature of the site means that you rarely have to wade through crap to get to the good stuff. If you get the hang of looking for things the right way, you can just spend hours clicking through what seems like an endless supply of fascinating material, and learn the entire time, without having to look at a single sex joke.
Taco: fix the god-damn wandermeister!
Thank you. -
Re:Everything2:Community yes, source of knowledge,Oh, look, a blanket statement.
I will say quite openly that everything in general does not have what you could call an *emphasis* on factual/informative writings, and i would say that that e2's psychological tendencies to reward the poorly constructed sex jokes written by 14-year-olds and vaguely neglect factual writings *have* probably driven off some people who would have been beneficial to the site (although i would say there have been MINIMAL effects from this). However, i must say i completely completely disagree with what you are saying. What i suspect you are neglecting to realize is that whether e2 is deeply informative or not depends on the *kind* of information you are looking for. If you are looking for scientific or mathematical concepts, then e2 damn near achieves its ultimate goal of providing decent coverage for every single thing you could possibly think of to look for. If you are looking for information on technical things (i.e. computing, programming, UNIX) then e2 is only about halfway there. If you look for serious historical material, you're going to find damn near nothing (a shame, because i think the web-of-definition-links format of e2 would be perfect for history writeups.. but i digress.) E2 has certain places where it is strong and certain places where it is weak, and i for one see the weak places less as a deficiency than i see them as a CHALLENGE, to help e2 grow to encompass those things it neglects now.
I will say this-- if you compare e2 to the more facts-only wiki-like endeavors such as h2g2, you will find that while those site's writings are in general more *in-depth* than the corresponding e2 nodes, e2 has a *much* larger coverage of disparate things. E2 contains general summaries for almost everything there is, but exhaustive coverage of few things. Whether this is a good or a bad thing i cannot say, although i DO know that there are a good number of pockets of extremely esoteric material where e2 just SHINES. E2 may never be as consistent as the moderated h2g2, but i think it's safe to say that you won't see people feeling quite as free to just ramble about pagan holidays and canadian politics and other quirky such things with as little abandon as they do on e2.
The thing you have to keep in mind is that not everyone on Everything has the same goals for the site. The site has no one single use. If everything2 is good at anything, it is leaving people free to slowly mold the site to their own purposes; talk to a bunch of e2 users and you'll find that each one probably has a different vision for where everything2 should go, and it is possible-- given time-- for every single one of those visions to be fulfilled, without interfering with any of the others. You care about the informative aspects; some people on e2 ignore those aspects, and care only about searching for people's life stories. There are people who really just want a community. There are people who just sit around and post collections of elizabethan poetry. The strength of e2, in the end, really lies not in how much content is there *now* but in its flexibility.. because that flexibility in the end gives it the potential to be more than its competitors will ever be.
And one thing you have to give e2: The s/n levels are EXPONENTIALLY higher than they are on slashdot; i would perhaps say, although this varies from part of the site from part of the site, they are even higher than on kuro5hin. And unlike slash or really even kuro, the nature of the site means that you rarely have to wade through crap to get to the good stuff. If you get the hang of looking for things the right way, you can just spend hours clicking through what seems like an endless supply of fascinating material, and learn the entire time, without having to look at a single sex joke.
Taco: fix the god-damn wandermeister!
Thank you. -
Re:Everything2:Community yes, source of knowledge,Oh, look, a blanket statement.
I will say quite openly that everything in general does not have what you could call an *emphasis* on factual/informative writings, and i would say that that e2's psychological tendencies to reward the poorly constructed sex jokes written by 14-year-olds and vaguely neglect factual writings *have* probably driven off some people who would have been beneficial to the site (although i would say there have been MINIMAL effects from this). However, i must say i completely completely disagree with what you are saying. What i suspect you are neglecting to realize is that whether e2 is deeply informative or not depends on the *kind* of information you are looking for. If you are looking for scientific or mathematical concepts, then e2 damn near achieves its ultimate goal of providing decent coverage for every single thing you could possibly think of to look for. If you are looking for information on technical things (i.e. computing, programming, UNIX) then e2 is only about halfway there. If you look for serious historical material, you're going to find damn near nothing (a shame, because i think the web-of-definition-links format of e2 would be perfect for history writeups.. but i digress.) E2 has certain places where it is strong and certain places where it is weak, and i for one see the weak places less as a deficiency than i see them as a CHALLENGE, to help e2 grow to encompass those things it neglects now.
I will say this-- if you compare e2 to the more facts-only wiki-like endeavors such as h2g2, you will find that while those site's writings are in general more *in-depth* than the corresponding e2 nodes, e2 has a *much* larger coverage of disparate things. E2 contains general summaries for almost everything there is, but exhaustive coverage of few things. Whether this is a good or a bad thing i cannot say, although i DO know that there are a good number of pockets of extremely esoteric material where e2 just SHINES. E2 may never be as consistent as the moderated h2g2, but i think it's safe to say that you won't see people feeling quite as free to just ramble about pagan holidays and canadian politics and other quirky such things with as little abandon as they do on e2.
The thing you have to keep in mind is that not everyone on Everything has the same goals for the site. The site has no one single use. If everything2 is good at anything, it is leaving people free to slowly mold the site to their own purposes; talk to a bunch of e2 users and you'll find that each one probably has a different vision for where everything2 should go, and it is possible-- given time-- for every single one of those visions to be fulfilled, without interfering with any of the others. You care about the informative aspects; some people on e2 ignore those aspects, and care only about searching for people's life stories. There are people who really just want a community. There are people who just sit around and post collections of elizabethan poetry. The strength of e2, in the end, really lies not in how much content is there *now* but in its flexibility.. because that flexibility in the end gives it the potential to be more than its competitors will ever be.
And one thing you have to give e2: The s/n levels are EXPONENTIALLY higher than they are on slashdot; i would perhaps say, although this varies from part of the site from part of the site, they are even higher than on kuro5hin. And unlike slash or really even kuro, the nature of the site means that you rarely have to wade through crap to get to the good stuff. If you get the hang of looking for things the right way, you can just spend hours clicking through what seems like an endless supply of fascinating material, and learn the entire time, without having to look at a single sex joke.
Taco: fix the god-damn wandermeister!
Thank you. -
Re:Everything2:Community yes, source of knowledge,Oh, look, a blanket statement.
I will say quite openly that everything in general does not have what you could call an *emphasis* on factual/informative writings, and i would say that that e2's psychological tendencies to reward the poorly constructed sex jokes written by 14-year-olds and vaguely neglect factual writings *have* probably driven off some people who would have been beneficial to the site (although i would say there have been MINIMAL effects from this). However, i must say i completely completely disagree with what you are saying. What i suspect you are neglecting to realize is that whether e2 is deeply informative or not depends on the *kind* of information you are looking for. If you are looking for scientific or mathematical concepts, then e2 damn near achieves its ultimate goal of providing decent coverage for every single thing you could possibly think of to look for. If you are looking for information on technical things (i.e. computing, programming, UNIX) then e2 is only about halfway there. If you look for serious historical material, you're going to find damn near nothing (a shame, because i think the web-of-definition-links format of e2 would be perfect for history writeups.. but i digress.) E2 has certain places where it is strong and certain places where it is weak, and i for one see the weak places less as a deficiency than i see them as a CHALLENGE, to help e2 grow to encompass those things it neglects now.
I will say this-- if you compare e2 to the more facts-only wiki-like endeavors such as h2g2, you will find that while those site's writings are in general more *in-depth* than the corresponding e2 nodes, e2 has a *much* larger coverage of disparate things. E2 contains general summaries for almost everything there is, but exhaustive coverage of few things. Whether this is a good or a bad thing i cannot say, although i DO know that there are a good number of pockets of extremely esoteric material where e2 just SHINES. E2 may never be as consistent as the moderated h2g2, but i think it's safe to say that you won't see people feeling quite as free to just ramble about pagan holidays and canadian politics and other quirky such things with as little abandon as they do on e2.
The thing you have to keep in mind is that not everyone on Everything has the same goals for the site. The site has no one single use. If everything2 is good at anything, it is leaving people free to slowly mold the site to their own purposes; talk to a bunch of e2 users and you'll find that each one probably has a different vision for where everything2 should go, and it is possible-- given time-- for every single one of those visions to be fulfilled, without interfering with any of the others. You care about the informative aspects; some people on e2 ignore those aspects, and care only about searching for people's life stories. There are people who really just want a community. There are people who just sit around and post collections of elizabethan poetry. The strength of e2, in the end, really lies not in how much content is there *now* but in its flexibility.. because that flexibility in the end gives it the potential to be more than its competitors will ever be.
And one thing you have to give e2: The s/n levels are EXPONENTIALLY higher than they are on slashdot; i would perhaps say, although this varies from part of the site from part of the site, they are even higher than on kuro5hin. And unlike slash or really even kuro, the nature of the site means that you rarely have to wade through crap to get to the good stuff. If you get the hang of looking for things the right way, you can just spend hours clicking through what seems like an endless supply of fascinating material, and learn the entire time, without having to look at a single sex joke.
Taco: fix the god-damn wandermeister!
Thank you. -
Re:Everything2:Community yes, source of knowledge,Oh, look, a blanket statement.
I will say quite openly that everything in general does not have what you could call an *emphasis* on factual/informative writings, and i would say that that e2's psychological tendencies to reward the poorly constructed sex jokes written by 14-year-olds and vaguely neglect factual writings *have* probably driven off some people who would have been beneficial to the site (although i would say there have been MINIMAL effects from this). However, i must say i completely completely disagree with what you are saying. What i suspect you are neglecting to realize is that whether e2 is deeply informative or not depends on the *kind* of information you are looking for. If you are looking for scientific or mathematical concepts, then e2 damn near achieves its ultimate goal of providing decent coverage for every single thing you could possibly think of to look for. If you are looking for information on technical things (i.e. computing, programming, UNIX) then e2 is only about halfway there. If you look for serious historical material, you're going to find damn near nothing (a shame, because i think the web-of-definition-links format of e2 would be perfect for history writeups.. but i digress.) E2 has certain places where it is strong and certain places where it is weak, and i for one see the weak places less as a deficiency than i see them as a CHALLENGE, to help e2 grow to encompass those things it neglects now.
I will say this-- if you compare e2 to the more facts-only wiki-like endeavors such as h2g2, you will find that while those site's writings are in general more *in-depth* than the corresponding e2 nodes, e2 has a *much* larger coverage of disparate things. E2 contains general summaries for almost everything there is, but exhaustive coverage of few things. Whether this is a good or a bad thing i cannot say, although i DO know that there are a good number of pockets of extremely esoteric material where e2 just SHINES. E2 may never be as consistent as the moderated h2g2, but i think it's safe to say that you won't see people feeling quite as free to just ramble about pagan holidays and canadian politics and other quirky such things with as little abandon as they do on e2.
The thing you have to keep in mind is that not everyone on Everything has the same goals for the site. The site has no one single use. If everything2 is good at anything, it is leaving people free to slowly mold the site to their own purposes; talk to a bunch of e2 users and you'll find that each one probably has a different vision for where everything2 should go, and it is possible-- given time-- for every single one of those visions to be fulfilled, without interfering with any of the others. You care about the informative aspects; some people on e2 ignore those aspects, and care only about searching for people's life stories. There are people who really just want a community. There are people who just sit around and post collections of elizabethan poetry. The strength of e2, in the end, really lies not in how much content is there *now* but in its flexibility.. because that flexibility in the end gives it the potential to be more than its competitors will ever be.
And one thing you have to give e2: The s/n levels are EXPONENTIALLY higher than they are on slashdot; i would perhaps say, although this varies from part of the site from part of the site, they are even higher than on kuro5hin. And unlike slash or really even kuro, the nature of the site means that you rarely have to wade through crap to get to the good stuff. If you get the hang of looking for things the right way, you can just spend hours clicking through what seems like an endless supply of fascinating material, and learn the entire time, without having to look at a single sex joke.
Taco: fix the god-damn wandermeister!
Thank you. -
Re:Everything2:Community yes, source of knowledge,Oh, look, a blanket statement.
I will say quite openly that everything in general does not have what you could call an *emphasis* on factual/informative writings, and i would say that that e2's psychological tendencies to reward the poorly constructed sex jokes written by 14-year-olds and vaguely neglect factual writings *have* probably driven off some people who would have been beneficial to the site (although i would say there have been MINIMAL effects from this). However, i must say i completely completely disagree with what you are saying. What i suspect you are neglecting to realize is that whether e2 is deeply informative or not depends on the *kind* of information you are looking for. If you are looking for scientific or mathematical concepts, then e2 damn near achieves its ultimate goal of providing decent coverage for every single thing you could possibly think of to look for. If you are looking for information on technical things (i.e. computing, programming, UNIX) then e2 is only about halfway there. If you look for serious historical material, you're going to find damn near nothing (a shame, because i think the web-of-definition-links format of e2 would be perfect for history writeups.. but i digress.) E2 has certain places where it is strong and certain places where it is weak, and i for one see the weak places less as a deficiency than i see them as a CHALLENGE, to help e2 grow to encompass those things it neglects now.
I will say this-- if you compare e2 to the more facts-only wiki-like endeavors such as h2g2, you will find that while those site's writings are in general more *in-depth* than the corresponding e2 nodes, e2 has a *much* larger coverage of disparate things. E2 contains general summaries for almost everything there is, but exhaustive coverage of few things. Whether this is a good or a bad thing i cannot say, although i DO know that there are a good number of pockets of extremely esoteric material where e2 just SHINES. E2 may never be as consistent as the moderated h2g2, but i think it's safe to say that you won't see people feeling quite as free to just ramble about pagan holidays and canadian politics and other quirky such things with as little abandon as they do on e2.
The thing you have to keep in mind is that not everyone on Everything has the same goals for the site. The site has no one single use. If everything2 is good at anything, it is leaving people free to slowly mold the site to their own purposes; talk to a bunch of e2 users and you'll find that each one probably has a different vision for where everything2 should go, and it is possible-- given time-- for every single one of those visions to be fulfilled, without interfering with any of the others. You care about the informative aspects; some people on e2 ignore those aspects, and care only about searching for people's life stories. There are people who really just want a community. There are people who just sit around and post collections of elizabethan poetry. The strength of e2, in the end, really lies not in how much content is there *now* but in its flexibility.. because that flexibility in the end gives it the potential to be more than its competitors will ever be.
And one thing you have to give e2: The s/n levels are EXPONENTIALLY higher than they are on slashdot; i would perhaps say, although this varies from part of the site from part of the site, they are even higher than on kuro5hin. And unlike slash or really even kuro, the nature of the site means that you rarely have to wade through crap to get to the good stuff. If you get the hang of looking for things the right way, you can just spend hours clicking through what seems like an endless supply of fascinating material, and learn the entire time, without having to look at a single sex joke.
Taco: fix the god-damn wandermeister!
Thank you. -
Re:Everything2:Community yes, source of knowledge,Oh, look, a blanket statement.
I will say quite openly that everything in general does not have what you could call an *emphasis* on factual/informative writings, and i would say that that e2's psychological tendencies to reward the poorly constructed sex jokes written by 14-year-olds and vaguely neglect factual writings *have* probably driven off some people who would have been beneficial to the site (although i would say there have been MINIMAL effects from this). However, i must say i completely completely disagree with what you are saying. What i suspect you are neglecting to realize is that whether e2 is deeply informative or not depends on the *kind* of information you are looking for. If you are looking for scientific or mathematical concepts, then e2 damn near achieves its ultimate goal of providing decent coverage for every single thing you could possibly think of to look for. If you are looking for information on technical things (i.e. computing, programming, UNIX) then e2 is only about halfway there. If you look for serious historical material, you're going to find damn near nothing (a shame, because i think the web-of-definition-links format of e2 would be perfect for history writeups.. but i digress.) E2 has certain places where it is strong and certain places where it is weak, and i for one see the weak places less as a deficiency than i see them as a CHALLENGE, to help e2 grow to encompass those things it neglects now.
I will say this-- if you compare e2 to the more facts-only wiki-like endeavors such as h2g2, you will find that while those site's writings are in general more *in-depth* than the corresponding e2 nodes, e2 has a *much* larger coverage of disparate things. E2 contains general summaries for almost everything there is, but exhaustive coverage of few things. Whether this is a good or a bad thing i cannot say, although i DO know that there are a good number of pockets of extremely esoteric material where e2 just SHINES. E2 may never be as consistent as the moderated h2g2, but i think it's safe to say that you won't see people feeling quite as free to just ramble about pagan holidays and canadian politics and other quirky such things with as little abandon as they do on e2.
The thing you have to keep in mind is that not everyone on Everything has the same goals for the site. The site has no one single use. If everything2 is good at anything, it is leaving people free to slowly mold the site to their own purposes; talk to a bunch of e2 users and you'll find that each one probably has a different vision for where everything2 should go, and it is possible-- given time-- for every single one of those visions to be fulfilled, without interfering with any of the others. You care about the informative aspects; some people on e2 ignore those aspects, and care only about searching for people's life stories. There are people who really just want a community. There are people who just sit around and post collections of elizabethan poetry. The strength of e2, in the end, really lies not in how much content is there *now* but in its flexibility.. because that flexibility in the end gives it the potential to be more than its competitors will ever be.
And one thing you have to give e2: The s/n levels are EXPONENTIALLY higher than they are on slashdot; i would perhaps say, although this varies from part of the site from part of the site, they are even higher than on kuro5hin. And unlike slash or really even kuro, the nature of the site means that you rarely have to wade through crap to get to the good stuff. If you get the hang of looking for things the right way, you can just spend hours clicking through what seems like an endless supply of fascinating material, and learn the entire time, without having to look at a single sex joke.
Taco: fix the god-damn wandermeister!
Thank you. -
Re:Everything2:Community yes, source of knowledge,Oh, look, a blanket statement.
I will say quite openly that everything in general does not have what you could call an *emphasis* on factual/informative writings, and i would say that that e2's psychological tendencies to reward the poorly constructed sex jokes written by 14-year-olds and vaguely neglect factual writings *have* probably driven off some people who would have been beneficial to the site (although i would say there have been MINIMAL effects from this). However, i must say i completely completely disagree with what you are saying. What i suspect you are neglecting to realize is that whether e2 is deeply informative or not depends on the *kind* of information you are looking for. If you are looking for scientific or mathematical concepts, then e2 damn near achieves its ultimate goal of providing decent coverage for every single thing you could possibly think of to look for. If you are looking for information on technical things (i.e. computing, programming, UNIX) then e2 is only about halfway there. If you look for serious historical material, you're going to find damn near nothing (a shame, because i think the web-of-definition-links format of e2 would be perfect for history writeups.. but i digress.) E2 has certain places where it is strong and certain places where it is weak, and i for one see the weak places less as a deficiency than i see them as a CHALLENGE, to help e2 grow to encompass those things it neglects now.
I will say this-- if you compare e2 to the more facts-only wiki-like endeavors such as h2g2, you will find that while those site's writings are in general more *in-depth* than the corresponding e2 nodes, e2 has a *much* larger coverage of disparate things. E2 contains general summaries for almost everything there is, but exhaustive coverage of few things. Whether this is a good or a bad thing i cannot say, although i DO know that there are a good number of pockets of extremely esoteric material where e2 just SHINES. E2 may never be as consistent as the moderated h2g2, but i think it's safe to say that you won't see people feeling quite as free to just ramble about pagan holidays and canadian politics and other quirky such things with as little abandon as they do on e2.
The thing you have to keep in mind is that not everyone on Everything has the same goals for the site. The site has no one single use. If everything2 is good at anything, it is leaving people free to slowly mold the site to their own purposes; talk to a bunch of e2 users and you'll find that each one probably has a different vision for where everything2 should go, and it is possible-- given time-- for every single one of those visions to be fulfilled, without interfering with any of the others. You care about the informative aspects; some people on e2 ignore those aspects, and care only about searching for people's life stories. There are people who really just want a community. There are people who just sit around and post collections of elizabethan poetry. The strength of e2, in the end, really lies not in how much content is there *now* but in its flexibility.. because that flexibility in the end gives it the potential to be more than its competitors will ever be.
And one thing you have to give e2: The s/n levels are EXPONENTIALLY higher than they are on slashdot; i would perhaps say, although this varies from part of the site from part of the site, they are even higher than on kuro5hin. And unlike slash or really even kuro, the nature of the site means that you rarely have to wade through crap to get to the good stuff. If you get the hang of looking for things the right way, you can just spend hours clicking through what seems like an endless supply of fascinating material, and learn the entire time, without having to look at a single sex joke.
Taco: fix the god-damn wandermeister!
Thank you. -
Re:Everything2:Community yes, source of knowledge,Oh, look, a blanket statement.
I will say quite openly that everything in general does not have what you could call an *emphasis* on factual/informative writings, and i would say that that e2's psychological tendencies to reward the poorly constructed sex jokes written by 14-year-olds and vaguely neglect factual writings *have* probably driven off some people who would have been beneficial to the site (although i would say there have been MINIMAL effects from this). However, i must say i completely completely disagree with what you are saying. What i suspect you are neglecting to realize is that whether e2 is deeply informative or not depends on the *kind* of information you are looking for. If you are looking for scientific or mathematical concepts, then e2 damn near achieves its ultimate goal of providing decent coverage for every single thing you could possibly think of to look for. If you are looking for information on technical things (i.e. computing, programming, UNIX) then e2 is only about halfway there. If you look for serious historical material, you're going to find damn near nothing (a shame, because i think the web-of-definition-links format of e2 would be perfect for history writeups.. but i digress.) E2 has certain places where it is strong and certain places where it is weak, and i for one see the weak places less as a deficiency than i see them as a CHALLENGE, to help e2 grow to encompass those things it neglects now.
I will say this-- if you compare e2 to the more facts-only wiki-like endeavors such as h2g2, you will find that while those site's writings are in general more *in-depth* than the corresponding e2 nodes, e2 has a *much* larger coverage of disparate things. E2 contains general summaries for almost everything there is, but exhaustive coverage of few things. Whether this is a good or a bad thing i cannot say, although i DO know that there are a good number of pockets of extremely esoteric material where e2 just SHINES. E2 may never be as consistent as the moderated h2g2, but i think it's safe to say that you won't see people feeling quite as free to just ramble about pagan holidays and canadian politics and other quirky such things with as little abandon as they do on e2.
The thing you have to keep in mind is that not everyone on Everything has the same goals for the site. The site has no one single use. If everything2 is good at anything, it is leaving people free to slowly mold the site to their own purposes; talk to a bunch of e2 users and you'll find that each one probably has a different vision for where everything2 should go, and it is possible-- given time-- for every single one of those visions to be fulfilled, without interfering with any of the others. You care about the informative aspects; some people on e2 ignore those aspects, and care only about searching for people's life stories. There are people who really just want a community. There are people who just sit around and post collections of elizabethan poetry. The strength of e2, in the end, really lies not in how much content is there *now* but in its flexibility.. because that flexibility in the end gives it the potential to be more than its competitors will ever be.
And one thing you have to give e2: The s/n levels are EXPONENTIALLY higher than they are on slashdot; i would perhaps say, although this varies from part of the site from part of the site, they are even higher than on kuro5hin. And unlike slash or really even kuro, the nature of the site means that you rarely have to wade through crap to get to the good stuff. If you get the hang of looking for things the right way, you can just spend hours clicking through what seems like an endless supply of fascinating material, and learn the entire time, without having to look at a single sex joke.
Taco: fix the god-damn wandermeister!
Thank you. -
Re:Everything2:Community yes, source of knowledge,Oh, look, a blanket statement.
I will say quite openly that everything in general does not have what you could call an *emphasis* on factual/informative writings, and i would say that that e2's psychological tendencies to reward the poorly constructed sex jokes written by 14-year-olds and vaguely neglect factual writings *have* probably driven off some people who would have been beneficial to the site (although i would say there have been MINIMAL effects from this). However, i must say i completely completely disagree with what you are saying. What i suspect you are neglecting to realize is that whether e2 is deeply informative or not depends on the *kind* of information you are looking for. If you are looking for scientific or mathematical concepts, then e2 damn near achieves its ultimate goal of providing decent coverage for every single thing you could possibly think of to look for. If you are looking for information on technical things (i.e. computing, programming, UNIX) then e2 is only about halfway there. If you look for serious historical material, you're going to find damn near nothing (a shame, because i think the web-of-definition-links format of e2 would be perfect for history writeups.. but i digress.) E2 has certain places where it is strong and certain places where it is weak, and i for one see the weak places less as a deficiency than i see them as a CHALLENGE, to help e2 grow to encompass those things it neglects now.
I will say this-- if you compare e2 to the more facts-only wiki-like endeavors such as h2g2, you will find that while those site's writings are in general more *in-depth* than the corresponding e2 nodes, e2 has a *much* larger coverage of disparate things. E2 contains general summaries for almost everything there is, but exhaustive coverage of few things. Whether this is a good or a bad thing i cannot say, although i DO know that there are a good number of pockets of extremely esoteric material where e2 just SHINES. E2 may never be as consistent as the moderated h2g2, but i think it's safe to say that you won't see people feeling quite as free to just ramble about pagan holidays and canadian politics and other quirky such things with as little abandon as they do on e2.
The thing you have to keep in mind is that not everyone on Everything has the same goals for the site. The site has no one single use. If everything2 is good at anything, it is leaving people free to slowly mold the site to their own purposes; talk to a bunch of e2 users and you'll find that each one probably has a different vision for where everything2 should go, and it is possible-- given time-- for every single one of those visions to be fulfilled, without interfering with any of the others. You care about the informative aspects; some people on e2 ignore those aspects, and care only about searching for people's life stories. There are people who really just want a community. There are people who just sit around and post collections of elizabethan poetry. The strength of e2, in the end, really lies not in how much content is there *now* but in its flexibility.. because that flexibility in the end gives it the potential to be more than its competitors will ever be.
And one thing you have to give e2: The s/n levels are EXPONENTIALLY higher than they are on slashdot; i would perhaps say, although this varies from part of the site from part of the site, they are even higher than on kuro5hin. And unlike slash or really even kuro, the nature of the site means that you rarely have to wade through crap to get to the good stuff. If you get the hang of looking for things the right way, you can just spend hours clicking through what seems like an endless supply of fascinating material, and learn the entire time, without having to look at a single sex joke.
Taco: fix the god-damn wandermeister!
Thank you. -
Re:Everything2:Community yes, source of knowledge,Oh, look, a blanket statement.
I will say quite openly that everything in general does not have what you could call an *emphasis* on factual/informative writings, and i would say that that e2's psychological tendencies to reward the poorly constructed sex jokes written by 14-year-olds and vaguely neglect factual writings *have* probably driven off some people who would have been beneficial to the site (although i would say there have been MINIMAL effects from this). However, i must say i completely completely disagree with what you are saying. What i suspect you are neglecting to realize is that whether e2 is deeply informative or not depends on the *kind* of information you are looking for. If you are looking for scientific or mathematical concepts, then e2 damn near achieves its ultimate goal of providing decent coverage for every single thing you could possibly think of to look for. If you are looking for information on technical things (i.e. computing, programming, UNIX) then e2 is only about halfway there. If you look for serious historical material, you're going to find damn near nothing (a shame, because i think the web-of-definition-links format of e2 would be perfect for history writeups.. but i digress.) E2 has certain places where it is strong and certain places where it is weak, and i for one see the weak places less as a deficiency than i see them as a CHALLENGE, to help e2 grow to encompass those things it neglects now.
I will say this-- if you compare e2 to the more facts-only wiki-like endeavors such as h2g2, you will find that while those site's writings are in general more *in-depth* than the corresponding e2 nodes, e2 has a *much* larger coverage of disparate things. E2 contains general summaries for almost everything there is, but exhaustive coverage of few things. Whether this is a good or a bad thing i cannot say, although i DO know that there are a good number of pockets of extremely esoteric material where e2 just SHINES. E2 may never be as consistent as the moderated h2g2, but i think it's safe to say that you won't see people feeling quite as free to just ramble about pagan holidays and canadian politics and other quirky such things with as little abandon as they do on e2.
The thing you have to keep in mind is that not everyone on Everything has the same goals for the site. The site has no one single use. If everything2 is good at anything, it is leaving people free to slowly mold the site to their own purposes; talk to a bunch of e2 users and you'll find that each one probably has a different vision for where everything2 should go, and it is possible-- given time-- for every single one of those visions to be fulfilled, without interfering with any of the others. You care about the informative aspects; some people on e2 ignore those aspects, and care only about searching for people's life stories. There are people who really just want a community. There are people who just sit around and post collections of elizabethan poetry. The strength of e2, in the end, really lies not in how much content is there *now* but in its flexibility.. because that flexibility in the end gives it the potential to be more than its competitors will ever be.
And one thing you have to give e2: The s/n levels are EXPONENTIALLY higher than they are on slashdot; i would perhaps say, although this varies from part of the site from part of the site, they are even higher than on kuro5hin. And unlike slash or really even kuro, the nature of the site means that you rarely have to wade through crap to get to the good stuff. If you get the hang of looking for things the right way, you can just spend hours clicking through what seems like an endless supply of fascinating material, and learn the entire time, without having to look at a single sex joke.
Taco: fix the god-damn wandermeister!
Thank you. -
Re:Everything2:Community yes, source of knowledge,Oh, look, a blanket statement.
I will say quite openly that everything in general does not have what you could call an *emphasis* on factual/informative writings, and i would say that that e2's psychological tendencies to reward the poorly constructed sex jokes written by 14-year-olds and vaguely neglect factual writings *have* probably driven off some people who would have been beneficial to the site (although i would say there have been MINIMAL effects from this). However, i must say i completely completely disagree with what you are saying. What i suspect you are neglecting to realize is that whether e2 is deeply informative or not depends on the *kind* of information you are looking for. If you are looking for scientific or mathematical concepts, then e2 damn near achieves its ultimate goal of providing decent coverage for every single thing you could possibly think of to look for. If you are looking for information on technical things (i.e. computing, programming, UNIX) then e2 is only about halfway there. If you look for serious historical material, you're going to find damn near nothing (a shame, because i think the web-of-definition-links format of e2 would be perfect for history writeups.. but i digress.) E2 has certain places where it is strong and certain places where it is weak, and i for one see the weak places less as a deficiency than i see them as a CHALLENGE, to help e2 grow to encompass those things it neglects now.
I will say this-- if you compare e2 to the more facts-only wiki-like endeavors such as h2g2, you will find that while those site's writings are in general more *in-depth* than the corresponding e2 nodes, e2 has a *much* larger coverage of disparate things. E2 contains general summaries for almost everything there is, but exhaustive coverage of few things. Whether this is a good or a bad thing i cannot say, although i DO know that there are a good number of pockets of extremely esoteric material where e2 just SHINES. E2 may never be as consistent as the moderated h2g2, but i think it's safe to say that you won't see people feeling quite as free to just ramble about pagan holidays and canadian politics and other quirky such things with as little abandon as they do on e2.
The thing you have to keep in mind is that not everyone on Everything has the same goals for the site. The site has no one single use. If everything2 is good at anything, it is leaving people free to slowly mold the site to their own purposes; talk to a bunch of e2 users and you'll find that each one probably has a different vision for where everything2 should go, and it is possible-- given time-- for every single one of those visions to be fulfilled, without interfering with any of the others. You care about the informative aspects; some people on e2 ignore those aspects, and care only about searching for people's life stories. There are people who really just want a community. There are people who just sit around and post collections of elizabethan poetry. The strength of e2, in the end, really lies not in how much content is there *now* but in its flexibility.. because that flexibility in the end gives it the potential to be more than its competitors will ever be.
And one thing you have to give e2: The s/n levels are EXPONENTIALLY higher than they are on slashdot; i would perhaps say, although this varies from part of the site from part of the site, they are even higher than on kuro5hin. And unlike slash or really even kuro, the nature of the site means that you rarely have to wade through crap to get to the good stuff. If you get the hang of looking for things the right way, you can just spend hours clicking through what seems like an endless supply of fascinating material, and learn the entire time, without having to look at a single sex joke.
Taco: fix the god-damn wandermeister!
Thank you. -
Re:Everything2:Community yes, source of knowledge,Oh, look, a blanket statement.
I will say quite openly that everything in general does not have what you could call an *emphasis* on factual/informative writings, and i would say that that e2's psychological tendencies to reward the poorly constructed sex jokes written by 14-year-olds and vaguely neglect factual writings *have* probably driven off some people who would have been beneficial to the site (although i would say there have been MINIMAL effects from this). However, i must say i completely completely disagree with what you are saying. What i suspect you are neglecting to realize is that whether e2 is deeply informative or not depends on the *kind* of information you are looking for. If you are looking for scientific or mathematical concepts, then e2 damn near achieves its ultimate goal of providing decent coverage for every single thing you could possibly think of to look for. If you are looking for information on technical things (i.e. computing, programming, UNIX) then e2 is only about halfway there. If you look for serious historical material, you're going to find damn near nothing (a shame, because i think the web-of-definition-links format of e2 would be perfect for history writeups.. but i digress.) E2 has certain places where it is strong and certain places where it is weak, and i for one see the weak places less as a deficiency than i see them as a CHALLENGE, to help e2 grow to encompass those things it neglects now.
I will say this-- if you compare e2 to the more facts-only wiki-like endeavors such as h2g2, you will find that while those site's writings are in general more *in-depth* than the corresponding e2 nodes, e2 has a *much* larger coverage of disparate things. E2 contains general summaries for almost everything there is, but exhaustive coverage of few things. Whether this is a good or a bad thing i cannot say, although i DO know that there are a good number of pockets of extremely esoteric material where e2 just SHINES. E2 may never be as consistent as the moderated h2g2, but i think it's safe to say that you won't see people feeling quite as free to just ramble about pagan holidays and canadian politics and other quirky such things with as little abandon as they do on e2.
The thing you have to keep in mind is that not everyone on Everything has the same goals for the site. The site has no one single use. If everything2 is good at anything, it is leaving people free to slowly mold the site to their own purposes; talk to a bunch of e2 users and you'll find that each one probably has a different vision for where everything2 should go, and it is possible-- given time-- for every single one of those visions to be fulfilled, without interfering with any of the others. You care about the informative aspects; some people on e2 ignore those aspects, and care only about searching for people's life stories. There are people who really just want a community. There are people who just sit around and post collections of elizabethan poetry. The strength of e2, in the end, really lies not in how much content is there *now* but in its flexibility.. because that flexibility in the end gives it the potential to be more than its competitors will ever be.
And one thing you have to give e2: The s/n levels are EXPONENTIALLY higher than they are on slashdot; i would perhaps say, although this varies from part of the site from part of the site, they are even higher than on kuro5hin. And unlike slash or really even kuro, the nature of the site means that you rarely have to wade through crap to get to the good stuff. If you get the hang of looking for things the right way, you can just spend hours clicking through what seems like an endless supply of fascinating material, and learn the entire time, without having to look at a single sex joke.
Taco: fix the god-damn wandermeister!
Thank you. -
Re:Everything2:Community yes, source of knowledge,Oh, look, a blanket statement.
I will say quite openly that everything in general does not have what you could call an *emphasis* on factual/informative writings, and i would say that that e2's psychological tendencies to reward the poorly constructed sex jokes written by 14-year-olds and vaguely neglect factual writings *have* probably driven off some people who would have been beneficial to the site (although i would say there have been MINIMAL effects from this). However, i must say i completely completely disagree with what you are saying. What i suspect you are neglecting to realize is that whether e2 is deeply informative or not depends on the *kind* of information you are looking for. If you are looking for scientific or mathematical concepts, then e2 damn near achieves its ultimate goal of providing decent coverage for every single thing you could possibly think of to look for. If you are looking for information on technical things (i.e. computing, programming, UNIX) then e2 is only about halfway there. If you look for serious historical material, you're going to find damn near nothing (a shame, because i think the web-of-definition-links format of e2 would be perfect for history writeups.. but i digress.) E2 has certain places where it is strong and certain places where it is weak, and i for one see the weak places less as a deficiency than i see them as a CHALLENGE, to help e2 grow to encompass those things it neglects now.
I will say this-- if you compare e2 to the more facts-only wiki-like endeavors such as h2g2, you will find that while those site's writings are in general more *in-depth* than the corresponding e2 nodes, e2 has a *much* larger coverage of disparate things. E2 contains general summaries for almost everything there is, but exhaustive coverage of few things. Whether this is a good or a bad thing i cannot say, although i DO know that there are a good number of pockets of extremely esoteric material where e2 just SHINES. E2 may never be as consistent as the moderated h2g2, but i think it's safe to say that you won't see people feeling quite as free to just ramble about pagan holidays and canadian politics and other quirky such things with as little abandon as they do on e2.
The thing you have to keep in mind is that not everyone on Everything has the same goals for the site. The site has no one single use. If everything2 is good at anything, it is leaving people free to slowly mold the site to their own purposes; talk to a bunch of e2 users and you'll find that each one probably has a different vision for where everything2 should go, and it is possible-- given time-- for every single one of those visions to be fulfilled, without interfering with any of the others. You care about the informative aspects; some people on e2 ignore those aspects, and care only about searching for people's life stories. There are people who really just want a community. There are people who just sit around and post collections of elizabethan poetry. The strength of e2, in the end, really lies not in how much content is there *now* but in its flexibility.. because that flexibility in the end gives it the potential to be more than its competitors will ever be.
And one thing you have to give e2: The s/n levels are EXPONENTIALLY higher than they are on slashdot; i would perhaps say, although this varies from part of the site from part of the site, they are even higher than on kuro5hin. And unlike slash or really even kuro, the nature of the site means that you rarely have to wade through crap to get to the good stuff. If you get the hang of looking for things the right way, you can just spend hours clicking through what seems like an endless supply of fascinating material, and learn the entire time, without having to look at a single sex joke.
Taco: fix the god-damn wandermeister!
Thank you. -
Re:Everything2:Community yes, source of knowledge,Oh, look, a blanket statement.
I will say quite openly that everything in general does not have what you could call an *emphasis* on factual/informative writings, and i would say that that e2's psychological tendencies to reward the poorly constructed sex jokes written by 14-year-olds and vaguely neglect factual writings *have* probably driven off some people who would have been beneficial to the site (although i would say there have been MINIMAL effects from this). However, i must say i completely completely disagree with what you are saying. What i suspect you are neglecting to realize is that whether e2 is deeply informative or not depends on the *kind* of information you are looking for. If you are looking for scientific or mathematical concepts, then e2 damn near achieves its ultimate goal of providing decent coverage for every single thing you could possibly think of to look for. If you are looking for information on technical things (i.e. computing, programming, UNIX) then e2 is only about halfway there. If you look for serious historical material, you're going to find damn near nothing (a shame, because i think the web-of-definition-links format of e2 would be perfect for history writeups.. but i digress.) E2 has certain places where it is strong and certain places where it is weak, and i for one see the weak places less as a deficiency than i see them as a CHALLENGE, to help e2 grow to encompass those things it neglects now.
I will say this-- if you compare e2 to the more facts-only wiki-like endeavors such as h2g2, you will find that while those site's writings are in general more *in-depth* than the corresponding e2 nodes, e2 has a *much* larger coverage of disparate things. E2 contains general summaries for almost everything there is, but exhaustive coverage of few things. Whether this is a good or a bad thing i cannot say, although i DO know that there are a good number of pockets of extremely esoteric material where e2 just SHINES. E2 may never be as consistent as the moderated h2g2, but i think it's safe to say that you won't see people feeling quite as free to just ramble about pagan holidays and canadian politics and other quirky such things with as little abandon as they do on e2.
The thing you have to keep in mind is that not everyone on Everything has the same goals for the site. The site has no one single use. If everything2 is good at anything, it is leaving people free to slowly mold the site to their own purposes; talk to a bunch of e2 users and you'll find that each one probably has a different vision for where everything2 should go, and it is possible-- given time-- for every single one of those visions to be fulfilled, without interfering with any of the others. You care about the informative aspects; some people on e2 ignore those aspects, and care only about searching for people's life stories. There are people who really just want a community. There are people who just sit around and post collections of elizabethan poetry. The strength of e2, in the end, really lies not in how much content is there *now* but in its flexibility.. because that flexibility in the end gives it the potential to be more than its competitors will ever be.
And one thing you have to give e2: The s/n levels are EXPONENTIALLY higher than they are on slashdot; i would perhaps say, although this varies from part of the site from part of the site, they are even higher than on kuro5hin. And unlike slash or really even kuro, the nature of the site means that you rarely have to wade through crap to get to the good stuff. If you get the hang of looking for things the right way, you can just spend hours clicking through what seems like an endless supply of fascinating material, and learn the entire time, without having to look at a single sex joke.
Taco: fix the god-damn wandermeister!
Thank you.