Slashdot Mirror

If you like that kind of thing, other companies will gladly accept you.

I prefer Google the way it is.

Examples of Exxon's animosity towards green energy, and items outlining their profit motivation:
1. Exxon records huge profits this year amidst recession: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/01/30/AR2009013003744.html
Why not help us out and lower oil prices? Or show interest in alternative energy besides publicity stunts?

2. Exxon's own website: http://www.exxon.com/USA-English/Lubes/Products_Services/Products_Services_Collection.asp
Not a single service regarding 'green energy'. And this company make billions, but where are the alternative energy options? They don't care. They have the monopoly among many others in the OPEC conglomerate.

3. "In this class action, the class representatives proved that Exxon failed to provide the agreed reduction in wholesale prices...":
http://www.exxondealerclassaction.com/faq.php3

4. Exxon buys out global-warming, green energy think tank, denies global worming: http://money.cnn.com/2007/02/02/news/companies/exxon_science/index.htm

5. Exxon flips on global warming because the rockafeller tell them they will lose money: http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2008/may/28/climatechange.fossilfuels

6. Exxon contaminates water amidst its own scientist suggestions otherwise: http://online.wsj.com/article/SB125598438080394827.html?ru=yahoo&mod=yahoo_hs

7. Oil Congress: http://www.exxposeexxon.com/ExxonMobil_politics.html

8. Overall campaign contributions: http://www.campaignmoney.com/exxon_mobil.asp

7. I know correlation is not causation, but consider the following: Exxon is the largest publicly traded oil company: finance.yahoo.com
They even state that on their own website. They have flip-flopped on global warming to please politicians, so they can please their constituency. They have donated money to people who have money in their company. Lets see, largest traded oil company, has Washington in it's back pocket, they protect their financial interest over anything else.

You get about 10% less fuel economy and reduced power out of biodiesel then traditional petroleum diesel and that you need about 10-15% ethanol/methanol to make the fuel meaning more is being used.

I was going to just reply to this and point out the inaccuracy, but the more I read the more I started to wonder if you were just pulling all of this out of your ass.

The loss in fuel economy is more likely a difference in LSD versus ULSD. LSD has 140,000 BTUs, and the ULSD that the US changed to last year is 130,000 BTUs. I was sure that I had read that Bio was 138,000, but the article linked below says 130,000, the same as ULSD. The numbers that I have heard is about .5 to 1 mpg loss for OTR trucks running ULSD compared to LSD. Which is pretty significant when you are starting at 7 mpg.

Ref:
Pre ULSD numbers

Looking at their table, I suppose I could have confused Bio BTUs with the B20/LSD mix. Regardless, this article is a good primer for Biodiesel, taking into account that is hasn't been updated for ULSD. And for reference they should add #1 diesel.

Note that #2 diesel is now 130,000 BTU, as opposed to the prior 140,000

There is also the problem with the bio-diesel contaminating the rubber bushing for fuel lines and such causing the need to replace them a lot more often along with some injector clogging.

Are the fuel system bushings next to the muffler bearings? Biodiesel attacks natural rubber. It will cause it to swell and start to leak. Nobody has used natural rubber in fuel systems since the mid 90s, and it's a reasonably inexpensive one time fix.

It seems to extract atmospheric moisture which causes a bunch of other hassles decreasing it's efficiency in use.

Pure bio is a good medium for growing algae. If you've been running a marine diesel you are familiar with biocides. If your car sits for long periods, it should be treated. (just like with gasoline) Diesel has always had moisture and algae concerns. Condensation in the fuel tank is a concern if the vehicle sits for long periods, and with water comes algae. It's no more of a concern, or hassle, than putting a fuel stabilizer in gasoline that is going to sit for several months.

Most warranties can be voided with it's use too.

You should check again, most are allowing B5 now in older engines now. Although the 2007 emission changes threw a wrench in that. 2007/2008 engines are NOT certified to run Bio due to the new emission equipment. I haven't researched it in depth, but I believe it is related to the new particulate traps.

Most OTR (long haul) trucking companies report around a 12% loss in power and around 10%-20% decreased fuel efficiency for B100 (pure bio). To compensate, they have ordered larger engines in newer trucks and turning some of the older engines up.

You have a reference for this? OTR firms are not using Biodiesel because of availability and quality control issues. If Flying J and Pilot would start carrying it, the OTR companies would start using it. They're just looking for a guarantee of consistency. They don't want to buy Bio that Bubba has brewed in his garage, they have a $100k plus asset that needs to roll everyday to hit it's 100-150k miles per year.

My favorite way of making coffee is to buy the "blood coffee" slave-labor beans I bought on sale for $0.99 a pound and keep in a zip-lock plastic bag. I then take a handful and put them in my made-in-China alkaline-battery-operated coffee grinder (bought at the dollar store - I'm on like the 5th one), run it until the batteries run out to get a really good grind, then dump it into a single-cup paper filter (the tiny kind that you throw away after each use), and make a nice cup of coffee with hormone-infused heavy cream or non-dairy creamer and a big pile of sugar.

Yum!

If it's the weekend I put it in a large disposable styrofoam cup and stir it with those red coffee stirrers that they sell in cardboard boxes, or eat it with a doughnut fried in trans-fats - but if it's a weekday I grab a worm-free pesticide encrusted apple for breakfast and eat it while I drive my Hummer 90 miles to work, as I also drink the coffee from a styrofoam cup that I got from the local Exxon as I filled up my giant fuel tank.

I used to drink Lipton tea when I lived in New Jersey, or get a nice coffee and McGriddles from McDonalds, but that's what I do here.

Nope. No company does research any more.

>Look, I'm a lot more likely to accept claims made by people with PhDs and 60 years of experience in this stuff than random slashdotters as far as how much food we have for people, BUUUT, that being said, I was only posting quotes from the show.

Granted. Regardless of what alphabet soup you have trailing your name, its hard to fully quantify how much food is made worldwide, its not like everyone who makes food reports to a central authority or anything. I've heard estimates both ways.

Yeah, Greenepeace is probably a little overzealous. I'm trying to remember where it was that I heard someone talking about the wisdom that his father had passed on to him, that it's necessary to have extremists to some extent on both sides to help keep the majority of the population in check... with only arch-conservative or only ultra-liberal factins who speak out (which is really what the majority of the world doesn't do, and that is speak out) the people wouldn't have a difference of opinion to choose from. Anti-government and anti-capitalist forces are necessary, I think anyway, to continually challenge existing systems so they don't become decadent.

>Greepeace is a corporation themselves, and they suck, in too many ways to describe. I think the biggest one is, though, that they LIE, and not just a little, a LOT and OFTEN.

Greenpeace is not for profit organization, which isn't to say that they don't have an agenda (they do) or that they always tell the truth (they don't) but they don't really have a product to sell. They're an activist group like the ACLU on the libertarian side politically or the Christian Coalition on the authoritarian side. As for the lying, not to use the excuse that "everyone does it" but the truth is everyone in politics and economics does do it, intentionally or unintentionally, since they have an adgenda and varying degrees of ethics in achieving said adgenda. I don't think its right to hold them to a higher standard than, oh, another few entities.

I know they're just quotes, but I think it was Orwell who said something about blind reproduction of quotes, stastics, and figures lets others do the thinking for you. Food for thought ^_^.

what i don't understand is why so many people are using their considerable talents and intellect to create arguments FOR, and technology TO rip off some of the most harmless people in this country- musicians. Way to go, guys, hurt a group of people who do no harm to the environment or society, and have done nothing but enhance your lives.

I can't believe the demonization of the musicians in general, so everyone can not only feel not guilty about music piracy, but you can convince yourself that you're doing a valuable public service as well.

so let me ask you, MP3 traders, you who are so socially conscious, do you know who is really ripping you off for their own diabolical ends? Why aren't you going after who's really in control of money and powerin our country? What are you doing to thwart them?

it's been proven that when the music industry rips people off intelligent, comitted people can make them pay for it. That's how you do it, that's how you make a real change.

when you're done with the record industry what are you going to do steal from the 'real' man? oh that's right- nothing...that would take effort and commitment, and let's face it, making a REAL change in this world just isn't as fun as watching your downloads complete.

Warez by any other name...

Always thought there was nothing quite like the smell of a fresh oil slick in the morning?

Well now there's a way for you to have the bracing breeze that accompanies this company's signature form of natural disaster, right in your own home! Bring the spirit of the Valdez to your browser, it's so real you'll almost think you're in Alaska.

Always thought there was nothing quite like the smell of a fresh oil slick in the morning?

Well now there's a way for you to have the bracing breeze that accompanies this company's signature form of natural disaster, right in your own home! Bring the spirit of the Valdez to your browser, it's so real you'll almost think you're in Alaska.