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What is Your Favorite Way to Make Coffee?

markov_chain asks: "For a while I've been making coffee using home-ground whole beans and a standard drip maker. I settled on this method for its simplicity and good taste, even after trying numerous other methods (such as the French press, gravity percolators, and pressure percolators), each coupled with either pre-ground or whole beans. So far, the fresh ground beans are the only factor that made a significant difference in taste. However, when I recently spotted a a site that vaguely extols freshness, I began to wonder how much the freshness of the beans themselves affects the quality. Normally I thought the whole beans would retain the quality far longer, due to less surface area exposed to air, but clearly there still must be a decline; worse yet, it is difficult to gauge that decline since the sellers usually do not advertise the age of the beans. I would now like to pose a few questions. What is your preferred coffee-making method, and how does it compare to other methods you've tried? What are your favorite beans?"

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  1. Fresh ground by AmIAnAi · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I have to agree that fresh, home ground beans beats packaged ground any day. I also think the intense aroma given off when grinding the beans adds to the enjoyment of the first cup.

    I found that I had to play with the grinder setting for a while before finding the ideal setting. However, I also found hat the optimum setting varies with the type of bean. I recently changed to a decaffinated bean after getting heart palpitations from too many cups.

    At first I found the brew somewhat insipid, but after experimenting with a finer grind, I now get the same intense flavour of regular beans.

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    1. Re:Fresh ground by Detaer · · Score: 5, Informative

      Pick up a coffee roaster, and some unroasted beams. You can even use a air popcorn popper if you would like. Coffee ground and brewed within 4 hours of its roast has the best flavor. How you brew your coffee will change specific flavor aspects along with the grind of the coffee, preference is really up to you. My favorite method is Turkish, however when time needs to be considered a manual cone filter produces adequate results.

    2. Re:Fresh ground by TheLordFlower · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Grind with a burr grinder( doesn't char the beans like a blade grinder will). Buy freshly roasted beans(roasted within last week). I like to french press it,personally.

    3. Re:Fresh ground by SacredNaCl · · Score: 2, Informative

      If you can get green beans and roast them yourself - a press pot works fantastic. I'm a little too lazy to roast them all of the time, so I found some compromise blends that aren't too stale. But if I really want it nice, I have to trek down and get ones to roast myself. Nothing fancy, just pan roast here.

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    4. Re:Fresh ground by jbrax · · Score: 2, Funny

      Type "man emacs"

    5. Re:Fresh ground by canUbeleiveIT · · Score: 2, Interesting

      True, but a conical burr grinder is better than a standard burr. Conical burr grinders process the beans more slowly (hence less heat) and more uniformly, which is also important. Unfortunately, I have been unable to find a coffee grinder that doesn't make a hellacious mess.

    6. Re:Fresh ground by ProfessionalCookie · · Score: 1

      Yeah- this result can probably be verified with a simple HPLC analysis of the coffee.

    7. Re:Fresh ground by Lumpy · · Score: 5, Informative

      Agreed fresh ground is best but how you store the beans makes a difference. I always used to use a sealed air tight container and a cool dry place for storage. I recently adpated to a different storage system. Co2 pressurized.

      I have discovered that buying good high grade single crop coffee beans is far cheaper in bulk, it also ensure freshness from the roaster. Problem, I cant drink 25 pounds of beans in time.

      I came across a solution that works very well. I use cleaned and sanatized 3 liter pop bottles. I fill them with beans and then by using a modified cap I seal them up and charge them with Co2. Getting the air out is not important.Gassing them with co2 from a tube can do that but keeping them under pressure with a high concentration of Co2 is important. I then store them in the basement wher e they are in the dark and in a cool place (66 degrees F.)

      They amazingly stay incredibly fresh. Way fresher after 6 months than a new bag of starbucks beans at a grocery store (starbucks beans suck to begin with but that's a roasting problem).

      It really works! you can easily make a cap or a modified neck of the 3 liter bottle to have a co2 inlet valve. I get my high grade coffee at way lower prices than you can in the stores or "shops", It's far fresher as they ship directly from the roaster company. and I found a way to store for long duration.

      the "vacuum" packed crap is a gimmick you do not want a vaccuum you want pressure and co2 to fight the loss of the co2 in the beans.

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    8. Re:Fresh ground by GreyPoopon · · Score: 2, Informative

      Agreed fresh ground is best but how you store the beans makes a difference. I always used to use a sealed air tight container and a cool dry place for storage. I recently adpated to a different storage system. Co2 pressurized.

      Personally, I think the best way to good coffee is to avoid anything roasted or sold in America. I lived in Germany for a while, and found on my return to the US that I couldn't stand ANY of the coffee. Since then, I've been forced to bring back a suitcase full of coffee every time I go to Germany (six times a year). Tchibo's Beste Bohne is my favorite, and it completely blows away even the Tchibo brands that are sold here in the US. Oddly enough, most of my German friends actually prefer Italian coffees. But anyway, the bean and the freshness matter much more than the brewing method. Automatic drip is the easiest method for me, and doesn't differ substantially from any other method I've tried.
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    9. Re:Fresh ground by sortius_nod · · Score: 0

      I don't know if I would agree with you there.

      there are certain blends which you just cannot get without them being pre-ground. case in point is Vietnamese coffee. It's a blend of 4 types of beans with unique characteristics. I have found nothing that comes close to the flavour of fresh VN coffee.

      The brew method is different to most styles too. It gives a full espresso style thickness, without crema, and without the need for any type of machine.

      ineedcoffee.com has some guides for making VN coffee, even roasting, etc. well reccomended to look at.

    10. Re:Fresh ground by cheezus_es_lard · · Score: 1

      I have to say, the coffee selection at World Market (Cost Plus) is quite stunning and reasonably priced; 12.99 for 2lbs of Kauai Peaberry is hard to beat, as is the same for a Kona blend (I believe 40%). They also offer a membership card with a free lb for every 10 you buy.

      I was shopping at Central Market until I found the World Market selection, and now my coffee bill is down by about a third.

      love and peace
      -cheez

    11. Re:Fresh ground by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Use a pre-heated cast-iron frying pan and roast your beans until they start changing color, and then some more. After you get a hang of it, you can try the mild or heavy roast later on, but the middle is a good place to start.

      And stay away from the non-stick kind since the lining will burn off at the kind of temperature it will reach to roast your beans properly (and if you have any caged birds, they will get ill and die even after a few moments' exposure to decomposing Teflon).

    12. Re:Fresh ground by GonadLeft · · Score: 4, Informative

      The Co2 part is correct, but I don't know about the need to pressurize them. My brother (who has a coffee roasting company) says the biggest enemy to coffee flavor is oxygen. He uses special coffee bags that have a one-way valve in them. Coffee, right after being roasted, continuously gives off Co2 for a while and the one-way values allows the oxygen in the bag to be displaced by the Co2, which leads to a very long storage life for the coffee as long as the bag is not opened.

    13. Re:Fresh ground by griffjon · · Score: 2, Interesting

      If you can find unroasted beans (any coffee shop worth the name roasts their own, and some Whole Foods markets have them), it's astoundingly simple to roast your own using a standard air-popper, and you can roast a week's worth of beans at a time (they have to de-gas for at least 3 days or they taste horrid!). With a little practice, this (a) makes your kitchen smell like a good coffee shop, (b) gives you fresh-roasted and ground beans and (c) green beans, unlike roasted beans, improve with age! It's a win-win all around.

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    14. Re:Fresh ground by RevDigger · · Score: 2, Interesting

      How about an instructables.com on that?

      How much for a 25 lb bag of beans? Costco has 2.5 lb bags for $8 or $9, MUCH cheaper that the supermarkets, and they are roasting it right there. Is the deal better than that?

      Best ask.slashdot ever.

    15. Re:Fresh ground by mrbooze · · Score: 1

      My wife often buys her unroasted beans online from http://www.sweetmarias.com/ or http://www.rileys-coffee.com/ . So if you don't have a good local source of unroasted beans, you can get them online too.

      I've been told that Whole Foods stocks unroasted beans, but that they won't let you take them unroasted. They'll only sell them to you if you let them roast them for you. I don't know if that's true, though, and I can't imagine why that would be the case.

    16. Re:Fresh ground by CitizenJohnJohn · · Score: 2, Funny

      Mini Mazzer. You can always pass it down to your kids.

      Oh, hang on, this is Slashdot, there's a prerequisite missing to having kids...

    17. Re:Fresh ground by advocate_one · · Score: 1

      I roast on the stove top using an old pan and a wooden spoon... I like to have total control over the process... the popcorn popper is a bit hit and miss as you have to do trial runs to determine the correct time for your preferred roast. On the stove top you can actually see and hear the beans roast and stop at the right colour...

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    18. Re:Fresh ground by Jasin+Natael · · Score: 2, Informative

      I have a cheap burr mill grinder, a $30 Mr. Coffee brand machine, that is good enough for the day-to-day. I got it at a Target store last year, but I haven't seen it on the shelves recently. It never makes a mess, if you treat it right. There's a picture of it here, seemingly on the wrong product.

      The trick is to find a grinder with a durable cup that has a lid with a small opening (this one is lexan, and the input opening is about 1cm x 2cm). Cover the opening with your thumb, shake the grounds around, and use a spoon to sharply strike the lid from the side, knocking all the grounds down into the body of the cup. Then, remove your thumb and the lid, pour the grounds into the filter (I use a cone filter), and strike the bottom corner of the container from the side with the spoon again. You should be left with virtually no coffee outside the filter, and a minimum of coffee powder stuck inside the cup. Obviously, YMMV.

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    19. Re:Fresh ground by itof500 · · Score: 1

      try the French Roast beans from Portorico.com (http://www.portorico.com/). You will not be disappointed.

      duke out

      P.S. I have not connection with the above company, but to have sent them my VISA number on several occasions over the last five years.

    20. Re:Fresh ground by sg3235 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Pick up a coffee roaster, and some unroasted beams. You can even use a air popcorn popper if you would like. Coffee ground and brewed within 4 hours of its roast has the best flavor.

      I also roast my own coffee, but I have found that grinding the freshly roasted coffee within the first 24 hours yields a grassy flavor. I started out using an I-Roast. Although the device didn't last very long, I figured it paid for itself in about 38 weeks (based on brewing 1 pot of coffee per day) because the green beans were significantly cheaper than roasted. The only problem I had was that toward the end of its life, the I-Roast started acting weird and would ruin batches of coffee if I didn't watch it closely and monitor the temperatures. The I-Roast is essentially an air popcorn popper redesigned specifically to roast coffee. That is, it works uses the same principal to roast the coffee as the popper.

      Now I use a small drum roaster that cost about 3 times more than the I-Roast, but gives a more consistent roast. It's one drawback (as compared to the I-Roast) is that the roast profile is essentially preset. You can control the length of the roast, but not the temperatures. That bothered me at first, but I'm so much happier with the roast that I guess they did a good job with their profile and I've been quite happy with it.

      I have a burr grinder and a technivorm brewer. The grinder gives a consistent grind over the whirly bird method and the brewer is supposed to be the only consumer brewer sold that brews coffee at the correct temperature. All of this I bought from http://www.sweetmarias.com/. They have good reviews and information.

      And my favorite coffee is Costa Rica La Minita.

    21. Re:Fresh ground by trout007 · · Score: 1

      I buy green beans from SweetMaria.com. I then roast them in a hot air popper. You control how done they are by the color. The lighter they are the more they taste like the bean and the more caffine they have. The darker the more they taste like roast and the less caffine. Then I grind them usinga blade grinder. Not the best way. A real burr mill is much better but a good one will run you close to $200. If you use any of the large grind methods a blade should work well. If you are going to make espresso you may want to get the real mill. Then I use a french press with 6 oz of 200 deg F water per 30g of grinds (yes I use a digital scale). Let it sit for 3 minutes then press and serve.

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    22. Re:Fresh ground by trout007 · · Score: 1

      I forgot to add that after I roast them I put them in a small mason jar for at least a day. For some reason if you grind them right away they don't have as much flavor. I have no reason why this is the case.

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    23. Re:Fresh ground by GMC-jimmy · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      What is Your Favorite Way to Make Coffee?

      Early, hot, and fast. Everything else is just a variable of convenience.
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    24. Re:Fresh ground by tb()ne · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I would have strongly agreed with you about 10 years ago. I had a connection to get German coffee (Tchibo, IIRC) and would get it whenever I could. However, over the last decade or so, the quality and variety of coffee, beer, and some other specialty foods in the U.S. has improved greatly. Regardless of what people think of Starbucks coffee, I think the ubiquity of that chain raised the bar for coffee and sparked the improved quality and variety of coffee in the U.S. Now, when I travel to Germany, I still enjoy a good cup or German coffee but I no longer feel like I'm been missing out in the U.S.

    25. Re:Fresh ground by starmanron · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure about pressurizing with co2, but if it works for you, that's great. Check this out: This is an exerpt from: http://www.cafebelmondo.com/default.aspx?page=pack aging "The best ways to package the coffees are through one-way valve bags. After roasting, coffee releases gas. A one-way valve bag is flushed with nitrogen gas that removes the oxygen from the coffee. As the roasted coffee releases its gas, the gas needs to go somewhere. With a one-way valve bag, the released gases are allowed to leave the bag while air is not allowed to come into the bag."

    26. Re:Fresh ground by connect4 · · Score: 2, Funny

      No! Coffee passed through the gastrointestinal tract of the Sumatran civet cat within the last four hours has the best falvour.

    27. Re:Fresh ground by jdray · · Score: 1

      In the first 24 hours after roasting, the oils leech out of the beans (note they have a matte look when they're first roasted, and a glossy look after about a day). You shouldn't grind and brew coffee that's been roasted in the past 24 hours. After that, it's probably best to use it in a week.

      My wife and I own a cafe, which she manages while I hold down a job that keeps a roof over our head. We use Illy coffee, imported from Italy. The pack dates on the bulk canisters are often six months old, but the beans are pressure packed in nitrogen, so they taste as fresh as newly-roasted beans from local coffee companies. I believe the same can be said about the 250g (~9 oz.) cans of their coffee.

      The upside to all this is that I have a professional barista in my employ that makes my coffee every morning.

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    28. Re:Fresh ground by Nephilium · · Score: 1

      Beg to differ on the time frame... I prefer about 8-10 hours to allow the beans to completely vent their CO2... meaning, roast it at night, wake up in the morning... enjoy perfect coffee... of course, you also have to roast differently depending on the type of beans you're using.

      And as for style, I've got a 12 cup drip, a 3 cup drip, one of the Aeropress makers (really nice actually), and want to pick up a vacuum brewer... Favorite depends on the need, for days when I can sit at home, I use the 12 cup, otherwise, I'll usually use the Aeropress...

      A quick tip for those stuck with bad coffee, a touch of salt in the coffee grounds cuts out some of acrid taste from the coffee, making it much more palatable.

      Nephilium

    29. Re:Fresh ground by ygthb · · Score: 1

      I have used a Braun CaféSelect burr grinder since I got married. 12 years, i machine, yearly deep cleaning. I have gone through lots of coffee machines as I work from the home office and always have a cup, but this grinder has continued to provide a consistant texture throughout. It is a little pricy $70 but I got it as a wedding present.

      I have used free gevalia machines, bunn, and now have a cuisinart. My dream is a bodum http://www.bodumusa.com/shop/line.asp?MD=1&GID=3&L ID=542&CHK=&SLT=&mscssid=9XWPW453TUJ78KHWSUPWEBWHV TNM79U8

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    30. Re:Fresh ground by Deagol · · Score: 1
      I picked up a Zassenhaus hand grinder about 8 years ago at Lehman's when I was in Ohio (they don't appear to sell it online). Sturdy, German-built, farily broad range of consistent grinds, and *quiet* in the morning -- won't wake anyone up when griding at wee hours of the morning. This particular model is what we have -- the best $50 we ever spent for our coffee.

      We went to French press method in our house many year ago. Good stuff. Been contemplating the Turkish method as of late, but haven't invested in a set of hardware yet.

    31. Re:Fresh ground by Deagol · · Score: 1

      I imagine food-grade storage bags (even 1-gallon zip-lock bags) in 5-gallon food storage buckets would accomplish the same for pretty cheap. Place a small hunk of dry ice into the bag, under the coffee in the bag. Let sit in low-traffic area, then seal once the solid CO2 is gone (it's heavier than air, and will remain in the bags and buckets).

    32. Re:Fresh ground by gnarvaez · · Score: 1

      nice dream--I have one and used daily... to clean I a cheap colander to catch the grounds then I dump them in a bag and compost. If you like the Bodum, I would also suggest you look at the Yama vacuum brewer, I seem to like their filter over the Bodum's nylon mesh.

      enjoy

    33. Re:Fresh ground by sudog · · Score: 1

      Incorrect. They do *NOT* have to de-gas for three days. Depending on the bean and the drinker (that's you and me) the stuff ground and brewed even just a few hours post-roast can taste absolutely fantastic and has its own unique flavours to contribute. I'm not sure what your idea of horrid is, but perhaps the beans you're buying aren't so great or you're roasting them toolight or dark?

    34. Re:Fresh ground by EinZweiDrei · · Score: 1

      I favor an angle grinder, myself. It's a process, but there's no greater satisfaction than getting up close and personal with each bean.

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    35. Re:Fresh ground by Skjellifetti · · Score: 1

      Forget the cast iron hand roast nonsense. Just use a hot air popcorn popper. The hot air keeps the beans stirred and the only thing you have to do is turn it off when they hit the style roast you want. And you can make popcorn with your new coffee roaster so the device can't be considered an Alton Brown uni-tasker.

    36. Re:Fresh ground by Dugster · · Score: 1

      I store my espresso in liquid nitrogen,and then,at brewing time,I add just a tiny drop of Retsin to invigorate the blend(dark city roast).

  2. It's the roast that matters the most by Nefarious+Wheel · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It's in the roast -- the method of roasting -- as much as the variety. Freshness counts, variety counts, but it's the roast that matters the most. I've experienced Jamaca Blue Mountain both in a mild roast and in a dark roast, and they could be two entirely different coffees. The mild roast made me want to compose a sonata, and the dark roast made me want to go scrape barnacles off an oil rig. I ended up doing neither, because I couldn't afford the next cup.

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    1. Re:It's the roast that matters the most by spun · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Jamaican Blue Mountain ranks right up there with Kona as the most overrated coffee on the market today. It has a weak body, insipid flavor, and a medium acidity that does not stand out in any way. It is equivalent to any private reserve Columbian.

      Roast is important, not the method, but how dark. To taste the varietal flavors best, a full city roast is recommended. Any lighter and it will have more hay-like or grassy notes than varietal flavors, any darker and the bittersweet taste of the roast will dominate the varietal flavors.

      As I said below, the absolute, in fact, the only thing is the amount of time between roasting, grinding, and brewing. I guarantee, 90% of coffee drinkers out there have never really tasted coffee. Once you have tried coffee straight from the roaster, you will know what I mean.

      You can roast your own beans at home if you can find green beans. Most coffee roasters will be more than happy to sell you green beans, as coffee loses 10-25% of its weight during roasting, so they can make more money selling you unroasted beans at roasted bean prices.

      You need a cast iron skillet and a hot stove. Just heat the skillet up as hot as you can get it and throw in enough beans for one pot. Stir until they are a couple of shades lighter than you normally want your coffee, then throw them into a metal bowl to cool. They will continue to darken as they cool. You will find the resulting cup of coffee tastes far more intense than any you have had previously.

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    2. Re:It's the roast that matters the most by canUbeleiveIT · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Jamaican Blue Mountain ranks right up there with Kona as the most overrated coffee on the market today. It has a weak body, insipid flavor, and a medium acidity that does not stand out in any way. It is equivalent to any private reserve Columbian. Amen. Sometimes I think that I must be the crazy one because so many coffee neophytes are running around saying how good these varieties are. Price != quality in this case.

      Personally, I like strong-bodied, lower acid coffees fairly dark roasted. Fortunately, we have a roaster/cafe in the neighborhood who will roast to order. My preferred method of preparation is a black americano w/ an extra shot or, when it's warm out, an iced americano. Every time I introduce a brewed strong dark coffee aficionado to americano, they have switched. The only problem is that a competent espresso machine is pretty expensive.
    3. Re:It's the roast that matters the most by Dun+Malg · · Score: 1

      Jamaican Blue Mountain ranks right up there with Kona as the most overrated coffee on the market today. yeah, anyone who extols the virtues of JBM or Kona over all others, clearly has not tasted good coffee. A good Yemen Matari beats either of those easily.
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    4. Re:It's the roast that matters the most by dr_strang · · Score: 2, Informative

      I agree, Jamaican Blue Mountain is quite possibly the WORST coffee this side of the convenience store crap.
      We actually went up to a Blue Mountain coffee farm and got some on a day trip. The trip was more interesting than the coffee.

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    5. Re:It's the roast that matters the most by nolife · · Score: 1

      Costco had some cheap of the wall brand that I really liked, I think it was 2.5 lb bag of beans for $8. They just recently stopped selling it. Years ago, I gave up buying only by the higher priced coffee that referenced some exotic mountain or island. Although I notice differences in quality and taste in different coffee beans, the quality is not relative to the price.

      At work, we have the Flavia drink stations that take the single packs. Definitely convenient but not cost effective for home use unless I stole the packets from work.

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    6. Re:It's the roast that matters the most by tibike77 · · Score: 1

      I love it how people say it's all about the coffeeeeeeeeee beans, and how you roast them, or it's all about the method and yada yada yada and forget a lot of othert important factors.

      To be honest, indeed... green beans self-roasted, ground right after and used immediately do produce the best results.
      But the beans source doesn't matter all that much, more or less every "green bean" source I ever seen used was about the same in the end.
      On this part, it's basically just the roast method (time, speed).
      If you get freshly roasted beans from the shop and put it in an air-tight container, you won't lose any significant flavors for about a week or so.

      Then, you have the granularity of the ground coffee.
      It depends on what do you use to actually make coffee... but for best flavor, the finest possible grind and the shortest water contact time will give you the most of the flavor.
      BOTH are a matter of taste, there's no such thing as "best".

      BUT THAT'S ONLY HALF THE STORY.
      The other half is the water.
      The water source/quality is the vital one (you want the purest, tasteless water you can find, personally I prefer DISTILLED water).
      The "device" you use to heat it with matters a lot too (machine aftertaste SUCKS big time): keep it as clean as possible, clean shortly after every use.

      How much time you keep the ground coffee in contact with the hot water, and how exactly do you do it, that's again just a matter of taste.

      And last but not least, storage.
      NEVER reheat coffee. Never.
      If you drink coffee 10-15 minutes after it got cold, you'd better just throw it away anyway.
      __

      But then, when you're in a big hurry, you couldn't give a damn, and even instant coffee sounds good about now :P

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    7. Re:It's the roast that matters the most by Pensacola+Tiger · · Score: 5, Informative
      You can roast your own beans at home if you can find green beans. Most coffee roasters will be more than happy to sell you green beans, as coffee loses 10-25% of its weight during roasting, so they can make more money selling you unroasted beans at roasted bean prices.

      Green beans are less than half the price of roasted beans. Green beans are available at several websites, just search on 'green coffee beans'.

      Stovetop roasting is interesting, but it is difficult to produce an even roast. Using a hot air roaster, even an old hot air popcorn popper, will make a real difference in the final product.

    8. Re:It's the roast that matters the most by stinkbomb · · Score: 2, Informative

      Roast is important, not the method, but how dark. To taste the varietal flavors best, a full city roast is recommended. Any lighter and it will have more hay-like or grassy notes than varietal flavors, any darker and the bittersweet taste of the roast will dominate the varietal flavors. You do understand that roasting reduces the caffeine content of beans, right? So, you have a choice; full-bodied, dark-roasted coffee, or heart-attacking inducing caffeine delivery system.
    9. Re:It's the roast that matters the most by JohnnyGTO · · Score: 1

      This reminds me of a story. I was consulting with an programmer who extol the virtues and cost of Jamaican Blue, yad yada yada sounding like a wine snob. Anyways several months later it comes to light that his secretary, who was also robbing his bank account, would make afresh pot for him each morning and then reuse the same grounds over and over through the day. She pocketed the new grounds on each new pot!! No wonder I thought it tasted like crap each afternoon when I showed up! Never could figure out how he didn't catch it.

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    10. Re:It's the roast that matters the most by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ColOmbian, please :)

      sorry. it's pet peeve of mine since I as born and raised there.

    11. Re:It's the roast that matters the most by Mothinator · · Score: 1

      Roast is over rated... Production method is where it's at.

      As long as it comes out of a cat's back end, it's good.

      http://www.reuters.com/article/lifestyleMolt/idUSS YD8159120070516

    12. Re:It's the roast that matters the most by dentext · · Score: 1

      roast and oragins are are 2 big variables of many.
      Jamacan Blue can be a godlike experience. So can Kenya AA.
      And there are good and bad batches and seasons.

      And then the is..a Vac/grav brewer.

    13. Re:It's the roast that matters the most by sconeu · · Score: 1

      I agree with you about Jamaican, but disagree with you about Kona.

      I suppose its all in the roast and the brewing. The best coffee I ever had in my life was pure Kona (of course, I was in HI at the time). Full and rich, boldly flavored without being overly strong.

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    14. Re:It's the roast that matters the most by spun · · Score: 1

      You are correct, green beans bought from a retailer that specializes in them will be cheaper. I meant that you can usually convince a roaster who doesn't normally sell green to do so if asked, for the reasons given. And yeah, it is hard to get an even roast on the stovetop. I've seen home hot air roasters for around $100. Will a hot air popcorn popper get hot enough?

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    15. Re:It's the roast that matters the most by symbolic · · Score: 1

      Don't you need a vent for smoke produced by the roasting?

    16. Re:It's the roast that matters the most by jamrock · · Score: 1

      Don't you need a vent for smoke produced by the roasting?
      I've never seen roasting coffee beans produce smoke. Has anyone here ever experienced this?
    17. Re:It's the roast that matters the most by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It depends on the type of bean. I roast my own coffee sometimes, and I have noticed that some types of beans are more likely to give off smoke than others. It also very much depends how dark you like your coffee roasted. A dark roast is much more likely to start giving off some smoke towards the very end than a light roast, which just hasn't gotten hot enough for long enough to start smoking.

      Having said that, it's not so much smoke that you can't just do it near a stovetop fan and turn that fan on.

    18. Re:It's the roast that matters the most by ncc74656 · · Score: 1

      Don't you need a vent for smoke produced by the roasting?

      I've never seen roasting coffee beans produce smoke. Has anyone here ever experienced this?

      I was told that the smoke produced by the type of roaster I use (a Fresh Roast hot-air type) will set off household smoke alarms. I haven't tested the theory, but the couple of times I roasted in the bathroom (to avoid roasting outside) left a distinctive sweet smell in there for a couple of days. Something is getting cooked out of the beans...mostly water (which gets driven off as steam), but they get hot enough that some of the compounds will start burning in a longer roast. (I don't try to emulate Charbucks with my roasting, but there's a reason why Charbucks is called "Charbucks." :-P )

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    19. Re:It's the roast that matters the most by pedestrian+crossing · · Score: 1

      I've never seen roasting coffee beans produce smoke. Has anyone here ever experienced this?

      I use an IRoast hot-air roaster, and yes there is plenty of smoke. A lot of the smoke comes from the chaff from the beans. But at the later stages of the roast (around 2nd crack), the beans start to give off a fair bit of smoke.

      The way I deal with the smoke is to connect a piece of aluminum dryer vent hose to the top of the roaster and hang it out a window. I guess an oven vent hood would work as well, but my kitchen doesn't have one, so I make do with the dryer hose.

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    20. Re:It's the roast that matters the most by IsItWashable · · Score: 1

      I like my coffee like I like my women - hot, strong, and with a spoon in...

    21. Re:It's the roast that matters the most by lucabrasi999 · · Score: 1
      Jamaican Blue Mountain ranks right up there with Kona as the most overrated coffee on the market today.

      I disagree (at least about the Kona). My wife and I went to the Big Island of Hawaii for our honeymoon. We toured this coffee plantation. I loved the coffee so much, that for nearly two years, I had a monthly shipment of two pounds of fresh-roasted whole bean coffee sent directly from the plantation to my house (the price went up since I originally was using the service, so I canceled my subscription).. I live on the East Coast of the US, and it took three days for the coffee to arrive at my door. There is NOTHING better than fresh Kona. I've had Kona both delivered fresh and store-bought from my neighborhood coffee shop. From my personal experience, the fresh Kona is head and shoulders above the neighborhood coffee shop variety.

      On a side note, I saw that someone else posted about Oxygen in another section of this discussion. On the tour, the plantation owner told us that both Oxygen and Light can negatively impact the bean. The plantation uses special bags to ship their coffee, so Oxygen can't get into the bag.

    22. Re:It's the roast that matters the most by jimmyfergus · · Score: 1

      Will a hot air popcorn popper get hot enough?

      Certainly will - A batch of 4oz roasts in mine in 6-8 minutes. Perhaps too fast. It gives off a fair amount of smoke, so I have to do it outside. This means that the time varies enormously through the year. In hot summer 6 minutes is a dark roast, in winter it would be 10 or more minutes, but I really can't be bothered then (New England).

      I think that it probably roasts too fast - I think the interior of the beans may be a bit underroasted, but I'm not sure.

      I don't like the result quite as much as the store-roasted (Wholefoods roasts in store now, so you can buy beans roasted in the last couple of days). The depth of roast is never as uniform as commercial roast either. Then again, I get fair-trade, single grower green beans for about 40% of the cost of the roasted product in WFM.

    23. Re:It's the roast that matters the most by sgilti · · Score: 1

      On the contrary, I had not really heard of JBM coffee until my honeymoon in Jamaica last year. It was strong flavored, low acid, and awesome. Of course, the JBM that I bought locally was something I'd describe the way you did. In this case, I would have to say that freshness counts for everything, and this is probably the perfect example.

      On a tangent, the eggs from my fathers farm are also clearly above and beyond store-bought eggs, even store-bought 'fresh free range' eggs that I get here in Texas. Sure, the eggs you get in the store have a use-by date on them.. but did you know you could keep fresh eggs sitting out on the counter (ie: not refrigerated) for a month before you need to even think about the 'fridge? Freshness really is a luxury that our modern society and global economy misses out on more often than not for the sake of convenience.

    24. Re:It's the roast that matters the most by spun · · Score: 1

      Not if you're only roasting a little at a time, in a pan. It will still smell up the kitchen a bit, so you might want to open a window.

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    25. Re:It's the roast that matters the most by merfle · · Score: 1

      Jamaican Blue Mountain makes the smoothest shot of espresso I've ever tasted. I use a Burr grinder and the Gaggia Carezza, and the beans become worth every penny. Making this coffee with a standard drip maker is a sin, and not the fun kind.

    26. Re:It's the roast that matters the most by spun · · Score: 1

      Ah, another point I forgot to mention: the burr grinder. I've got one too, and so should any serious coffee drinker, for two reasons. A burr grinder grinds consistently, each particle of coffee is the same size as the next. A blade grinder turns some coffee into dust by the time the rest is the right size, meaning an inconsistent and more bitter brew. But the main reason is that the coffee is only in contact with the burr for a very short while, and won't heat up significantly. A blade grinder heats the coffee up while pulverizing it, meaning some of the flavor is lost.

      Get a good burr grinder though. The first one I got was crap, it heated up the coffee and made inconsistently sized grounds just like a blade. That was a $40 model, expect to pay $60 for a good one.

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  3. Strong by eln · · Score: 4, Funny

    I use 1 teaspoon of water for every tablespoon of ground beans. I use whole beans, but keep an extra tablespoon of ground beans around to start the process because I don't have a grinder. After the first cup, I can grind the beans with my bare hands from the twitch alone.

    1. Re:Strong by cralewyth · · Score: 1

      What silly mods modded this 'funny'?
       
      Sad are the days where the truth is just passed off as 'humour'.

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    2. Re:Strong by FozE_Bear · · Score: 0

      If you you like strong coffee, nothing beats Vietnamese coffee. My favorite is Truong Ngyen. Go to a Viet grocery to find it. You can use 3 times the grounds of most "arabica" and it still is not bitter. I confess it is best with cream and sugar. For hot coffee I use canned whipped cream.

      For Iced coffee, you can't beat sweetend condensed milk. Ask at your local Viet market for a Viet coffee maker, and how to make it. It is totally out-of-this-world!

  4. After working at Starbucks for 3 years, by justkarl · · Score: 5, Informative

    I can affirm that the pump-powered espresso machine is the best way to brew coffee ever(However, it's expensive.). If you're still a drip coffee fan, go for the french press. All of the essential oils and flavors stay intact, unlike filter-brewed coffee.

    1. Re:After working at Starbucks for 3 years, by Once&FutureRocketman · · Score: 5, Informative

      The Gaggia Carezza is the cheapest pump-driven espresso machine that I have found. I have one, and it makes excellent coffee. Of course, "cheap" is relative.

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    2. Re:After working at Starbucks for 3 years, by MaineCoon · · Score: 1

      I've been looking for a decent pump-driven espresso machine in the sub $500 range... I'm definitely going to check this one out. Thanks for the post!

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    3. Re:After working at Starbucks for 3 years, by WatchTheTramCarPleas · · Score: 1

      http://www.epinions.com/pr-Hamilton_Beach_40729 Seems to do the trick for me. Combine that with a slightly modified (used tinfoil as a shim to move the burs closer for a finer grind) http://www.amazon.com/Cuisinart-DBM-8-Supreme-Grin d-Automatic/dp/B00018RRRK then get some espresso beans fresh from NJ... http://www.coffeebeandirect.com/ and you have an espresso set up that is equivalent to some that cost thousands. Of course if your machine and grinder are better, then you will get better results, but you can't beat the price for that set up.

    4. Re:After working at Starbucks for 3 years, by linzeal · · Score: 1

      I have had a pump driven machine that broke a few years ago and have been using a stovetop espresso machine ever since. The flavor is not quite the same but it is a close as I can get without paying 4 dollars for a breve at school.

    5. Re:After working at Starbucks for 3 years, by drgonzo59 · · Score: 1
      Amen. Basically all the basic steps that the coffee gets to your cup are important:

      1. Bean species and location (arabica vs. robusta for ex.).

      2. Roast. How it was roasted. I like the Espresso roast -- very sweet, not bitter, but after so much roasting, it is the bean's origin or location is really hard to detect, it just all tastes very "roasted", which I like.

      3. The freshness. How long ago it was picked and roasted.

      4. The grinding. I like a special grinder that lets one select the grind size. I like "fine", for an espresso.

      5. The brewing. I like the pump-powered espresso as well -- it will set you back some hundreds of dollars. You need a special puck that will allow you to pack the coffee at just the right density as well

      MMM...gotta make myself another one, I feel the C.H. (coffee headache) setting in.

    6. Re:After working at Starbucks for 3 years, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here, here

      Freedom press only ;)

    7. Re:After working at Starbucks for 3 years, by Dun+Malg · · Score: 1

      3. The freshness. How long ago it was picked and roasted. Time since picked is largely irrelevant. Green beans last effectively forever. Once roasted though, you got about 20 minutes before it goes downhill, and certainly no more than a day before it achieves mediocrity.
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    8. Re:After working at Starbucks for 3 years, by caffeine_high · · Score: 1

      I have worked as a taster for a couple of roasting houses in the last few years and agree that espresso is by far the best.

      In my opinion, the only coffee worth drinking is double shot of espresso or a ristretto. If you find an espresso is to bitter it is time to find a better cafe. Milk and sugar are the enemies of good coffee.

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    9. Re:After working at Starbucks for 3 years, by Bemopolis · · Score: 1

      I agree with both of those; not being independently wealthy, I have opted for the French press. It's easy to carry to the computer, so I don't have to get up every 15 minutes to refill it. It doesn't take up valuable counterspace in my wee kitchen, and I don't have the temptation to drink cup after cup after cup (ah, memories of grad school), since it's just inconvenient enough to wash it out and start over.

      As for the beans, while I consider myself a demi-connoisseur, I no longer grind at home. Pick a good bean at the store, grind it there, and keep in an opaque sealed canister. Measure, boil, pour, wait, press. As long as I don't try to buy more than a fortnight's worth at a time, staleness is not really an issue.

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    10. Re:After working at Starbucks for 3 years, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, but the paper filter makes coffee safer to drink..

    11. Re:After working at Starbucks for 3 years, by dcam · · Score: 1

      After working at Starbucks for 3 years,


      You have just invalidated any comments you might make in this topic.
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    12. Re:After working at Starbucks for 3 years, by kpesler · · Score: 1

      After quite a bit of skepticism, I was convinced by all the positive reviews of Nespresso' machines and bought one for about $160. I bought the D150. It (and I believe all the machines) comes with an 18 bar pump. The downside is the cost of the capsules (50 cents each), but I find the convenience and the great espresso it produces is worth the price. In my opinion, it produces a better espresso than some of the $1000+ super-automatics. Also, each capsule is prepacked to the right compression and is completely sealed, so the coffee stays pretty fresh. If you drink many cups a day, however, the cost could get prohibitive.

    13. Re:After working at Starbucks for 3 years, by quenda · · Score: 1

      the pump-powered espresso machine is the best way to brew coffee ever(However, it's expensive.).

      Expensive? After breaking the old filter-machine, I bought a A$70,* Sunbeam pump & boiler machine, and it tastes like real espresso to me. Its the beans that matter! (and a decent burr grinder, if grinding your own) .
      What am I missing?

      * about 40 euros, or in the US, 99c+taxes,fees and tips, after rebate.
    14. Re:After working at Starbucks for 3 years, by tux0r · · Score: 1

      Parent deserves to be modded all the way up. My first home espresso machine was/is a Carezza, and I've had it for more than two years now - still going strong.

      I should add, however, that you can get great espresso from just about any home machine, but ONLY with freshly ground beans. And I don't mean freshly ground at Starbucks/Gloria Jeans/etc last Monday. You need a good burr grinder at home and you need to grind only the beans you need for each cup. My grinder is a Rancilio Rocky, which is worth about twice as much as the Carezza. But it's worth it.

      For grinder options, consider Rancilio Rocky, Nemox/Imat Lux, Sunbeam EM0480 or, as a last resort, DeLonghi KG100 (also sold by Starbucks as the Solis 166).

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    15. Re:After working at Starbucks for 3 years, by TempeTerra · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I challenge you. I'm taking a coffee making course run by an experienced perfectionist, and I associate regularly with coffee makers. I have always been told that coffee is at its best between three and seven days after roasting. During the first three days the coffee is still degassing, and makes crap, ashy tasting coffee with a frothy crema. I have experienced this myself. Coffee lasts for 20 minutes after it's ground, after which it goes stale. Beware of cafes which keep their grinder full of ground coffee when it's not rush hour.

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    16. Re:After working at Starbucks for 3 years, by pedestrian+crossing · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I can affirm that the pump-powered espresso machine is the best way to brew coffee ever(However, it's expensive.). If you're still a drip coffee fan, go for the french press. All of the essential oils and flavors stay intact, unlike filter-brewed coffee.

      As a user of a La Pavoni Europiccola, I would have to respectfully quibble. Pulling by hand puts you in the driver's seat. Yes, it isn't as easy or convenient as a pump-powered machine, but for my purposes (only 2-3 doubles at a time) it can't be beat.

      The keys to good espresso:

      1. Bean selection - It takes some time, but I get an assortment of green beans, and test each variety individually. Then I build a blend based on the characteristics of the individual varieties.
      2. Freshness - I roast my own so that I have control over the roast and freshness of the coffee. I roast in small batches, so my roasted beans are never more than 5 days old.
      3. Grind - Your grinder is the most important equipment piece to the equation, moreso even than the espresso maker. Blades - never! Get a good burr grinder and get it dialed in to the right fineness of grind.
      4. Tamp - Get to know your grinder, and balance the tradeoff between the grind and the tamp.
      5. Water - Filtered water at the correct temperature. Too hot is the worst sin. It is rare to find an espresso that hasn't been 'cooked' by too-hot water. That's where the right machine/technique comes into play. That's why I prefer the lever-pull machine; to put the technique into the process.

      That's not to say that a decent pump-powered machine is bad, I just prefer that final bit of control over the pull.

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    17. Re:After working at Starbucks for 3 years, by pedestrian+crossing · · Score: 1

      During the first three days the coffee is still degassing, and makes crap, ashy tasting coffee with a frothy crema.

      Depends on the roast. Darker roasts are better closer to the roast, but can go off quicker than lighter roasts. Lighter roasts take a few days of resting before they mellow.

      Personally I think 3 days is the sweet spot. 7 days is the absolute maximum for me.

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    18. Re:After working at Starbucks for 3 years, by rikkus-x · · Score: 1

      Krups do even cheaper pump machines.

    19. Re:After working at Starbucks for 3 years, by TempeTerra · · Score: 1

      Thanks, I think I'm in a light-roasting region, so that explains a lot.

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    20. Re:After working at Starbucks for 3 years, by kcelery · · Score: 1
      My espresso machine has no pump. But I love the crema of espresso. This is how I make it from a pumpless machine:


      My machine is a credit-card-free-promotion-gift espresso machine. It has no pump. There is a single knob with three positions. 'Off', 'Brew', 'Steam'. It is fitted with the regular portafilter and a steam jet.

      Ground the coffee need for 1 or 2 cups of coffee. Fill the coffee grind into the filter-basket. Shake the basket to make the grind level. Then temp it. I am using a mini-cream jug as a temper. Its base fit exactly into the filter basket.

      Next turn on the steam, use a spoon with a paper towel in it. Clog the steam jet so the steam cannot come out. After two-three minutes, the pressure inside the machine built up, the pressurized steam will fizz at the junction of steam jet and paper towel. Quickly turn the knob from 'steam' to 'brew'. The pressure inside the machine is directed to the portafilter. Soon dark concentrated coffee extract come out drop by drop, and my beloved crema follows. There are two distinct phases of extraction. After 45 seconds to 70 seconds, the extract came out of the portafilter turned from liquid droplets into hizzing steam. When the steam is observed, it is a sign of water over 100 degree C. According to the textbook, the best coffee is made below 95 degrees. The steam is a sign of overcooking. During this stage the excellent aroma taste is spoiled and more bitter substance is dissolved.

      So, to get a nice cup of espresso, apply the 25 seconds rules. Meaning drip for 25 seconds. Pull out the collecting jar and ignore the extracts after 25 seconds.

      I have been brewing with pressurize steam for months now, and still alive.

      I also roast green bean with hot air gun, with temperature carefully monitored with a thermo-couple.

      Disclaimer: clogging the steam jet is dangerous, it might cause explosion. Don't repeat my steps if your are not sure about the hazard involved. You are responsible for the lost of finger, marriage or your house.

    21. Re:After working at Starbucks for 3 years, by CMan0 · · Score: 1

      I like the gas makinetas, they make espresso like in restaurants and are very cheap.

    22. Re:After working at Starbucks for 3 years, by justkarl · · Score: 1

      I politely ask that you reconsider....I don't think Starbucks is nearly as bad as you might think.

    23. Re:After working at Starbucks for 3 years, by hobbesx · · Score: 1

      I know this is late, but thank you! It's ridiculous to keep reading these posts from people claiming that you can roast your your own coffee in a pan on your stove top and expect "the best coffee you've ever tasted!"; without even a single mention of bean quality, water quality, or grinding method.

      Half of you here can't even cook bacon evenly in a pan, and you expect to be able to roast a decent set of beans?

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    24. Re:After working at Starbucks for 3 years, by Creepy · · Score: 1

      I like Gaggias - my brother has one, but if you can't afford that and/or are willing to put up with bad customer service there are cheaper.

      My preference at the low end pump-driven is probably the DeLonghi EC140B or Bar32 (EC140B should be under $100, Bar32 is about $150 online, but I've seen them for as low as $70 on eBay and for about $80 at Best Buy during Christmas). The steaming wand on low-end Delonghis is not my favorite design (it's painful to clean) and it's one of the noisiest machines I've ever used, but aside from that it produces one of the best cremas I've seen on a machine under $200 and is self priming. I'd certainly recommend either the DeLonghi or Gaggia over the $250 Saeco (sorry, don't know model) my sister-in-law owns, which produces a decent espresso but not much crema (compared to Gaggia and DeLonghi), doesn't give a good froth from the steaming wand (again, subpar to DeLonghi and Gaggia) and I believe is also not self-priming (but neither is the Gaggia). On the plus side, the Saeco does have solid construction and professional-style wide tray levers. btw, I've heard/read good things about Saeco, so I was surprised I didn't like it (my sister-in-law still loves it). Krupps and Hamilton Beach also have pump systems in the $100 range, but I know almost nothing about them.

      The strangest thing about DeLonghi is that they recommends Illy pods (and give a free sample) - I strongly recommend against them, and not to judge the espresso maker by those provided pods - they produced one of the nastiest, bitterest espressos I've ever had, many times worse than Starbucks. My non-Illy tests on all machines used burr ground Caribou espresso beans with a roasting date within 2 weeks of consumption - not optimal, but not terrible, either (Caribou posts roasting dates on a chalkboard at the stores and the store I go to most bags from a bin on request).

    25. Re:After working at Starbucks for 3 years, by dcam · · Score: 1

      I'm sorry that was a bit snarky, particularly as this is about what people prefer.

      The problem with Starbucks is the beans. They use a very thin tasting coffee. I prefer a much richer blend. I think that the best way to describe Starbucks coffee is inoffensive. People who really like coffee might not like it but nobody is going to find it unpleasant to drink.

      Sure I've paid for worse coffee than you can get at Starbucks, but Starbucks makes consistently boring coffee. I also dislike the that they offer flavoured coffees, I'm a bit of a purist.

      I prefer Grinders, Lavazza, Jamaica Blue Mountain or Vittoria coffees (in that order).

      It may also be a comparison thing. I think we do pretty well for coffee in Australia. My sister spent a few weeks in the US and said she only found 2 decent coffees: New York and San Francisco. I've heard similar anecdotal evidence from other people. I've heard there is a preference to boil/drip-percolate the coffee in the US, and in that case Starbucks is definitely better.

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    26. Re:After working at Starbucks for 3 years, by justkarl · · Score: 1

      I also dislike the that they offer flavoured coffees, I'm a bit of a purist.

      ummmm....wrong again. Starbucks has -never- offered flavored coffee. It's absolutely optional to put in "flavored syrups" to any drink one so chooses - just like millions of dinky little coffee shops do as well. Not trying to flame you, either, but most people think Starbucks as being "too strong", and offering predominantly richer roasts.

      Just making sure you know all the facts!

    27. Re:After working at Starbucks for 3 years, by JuliaNZ · · Score: 1

      Mod parent up! I'm using a La Pavoni Professional these days since my 35-year old Europiccola finally blew up, but once you get the hang of a lever machine there's nothing like it.

    28. Re:After working at Starbucks for 3 years, by tbo · · Score: 1

      We have a Gaggia Carezza at work (I picked it out after research on WholeLatteLove.com). It does make excellent coffee, although the Gaggia pannarello wand is awful for making a decent microfoam for cappuccinos. Apparently, the Saeco Pannarello wand is compatible, and does a better job if you remove the outer sleeve (the Gaggia pannarello's inner nozzle is too short to make this an option). I haven't tried it yet, though.

    29. Re:After working at Starbucks for 3 years, by dcam · · Score: 1

      ummmm....wrong again. Starbucks has -never- offered flavored coffee. It's absolutely optional to put in "flavored syrups" to any drink one so chooses - just like millions of dinky little coffee shops do as well.


      Sorry, to clarify what I mean. By flavoured coffee I mean what the consumer gets at the counter, not what goes into the espresso maker. Another big chain (in this country) offers flavoured coffee grounds and beans in this country. And yes I dislike all the other little dinky shops who offer it as well, largely because they are ruining the coffee.

      Not trying to flame you, either, but most people think Starbucks as being "too strong", and offering predominantly richer roasts.


      Once again I think this might be in comparison to the coffee offered in the US. I can assure you that in this country (Australia) compared to the coffee offered by a standard cafe, starbucks coffee is thin. I'm not an expert but my understanding is that Starbucks over-roasts their beans.

      Have you tried any of the coffees I linked to? Pre-ground coffee is fine. Try making some in a plunger (french press to USians). For one cup you should probably have about a table of coffee grounds.
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    30. Re:After working at Starbucks for 3 years, by dcam · · Score: 1

      Correction, the last sentence should read:
      For one cup you should probably have about a table spoon of coffee grounds.

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  5. I don't drink coffee by imbaczek · · Score: 1

    two teaspoons of coffee, slow stream of hot water and some milk

  6. Simplicity by Durrok · · Score: 5, Funny

    1. Open can of whatever was on sale at Meijer
    2. Make coffee
    3. Pour enough milk/sugar in that I don't taste the coffee
    4. Consume

    I'm way too tired in the morning to do much else or worry about the freshness of my beans. :p

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    1. Re:Simplicity by ip_freely_2000 · · Score: 1

      Testify!

    2. Re:Simplicity by ArsonSmith · · Score: 2, Insightful

      exactly. I've read through several of the posts here about acidity and body I have really only found two flavors of coffee.

      Strong and weak.

      otherwise they are all about the same.

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    3. Re:Simplicity by dmbasso · · Score: 1

      5. ...
      6. Profit!!!

      Caffeine would surely boost whatever is 5, unless it's procrastinating on /. ...

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    4. Re:Simplicity by hal2814 · · Score: 1

      Amen. At work we used to have Foldger's and that was indeed the best part of waking up. Then we got some snooty fancy coffee. I don't mind the Columbian. Coffee is coffee. But if I don't get the 7:30 pot some jackass decides to make some hazlenut crap in the coffee maker. It takes a LOT of milk and sugar to make me not mind that other crap in my coffee.

    5. Re:Simplicity by UncleTogie · · Score: 1

      I prefer military coffee.... You just cut a slice off and chew!

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    6. Re:Simplicity by The+Good+Reverend · · Score: 1

      Seconded.

      No offense to the snobs here, but people who sell things for too much money LOVE y'all. Perhaps it's because I like my coffee sweet and creamy, but most of it is either strong, or weak, with varying levels of burnt taste - the minutia is lost on me, and that's ok. Enjoy your $1,000 breakfast beverage - I'll use my old stained drip roaster or a coffee bag.

    7. Re:Simplicity by sconeu · · Score: 1

      Oh yeah.

      Pure coffee. None of this flavored crap. I can't stand it.

      disclaimer -- I have a soft spot for the occasional cup of cinnamon coffee. Comes from my nights pulling graveyards at 7-11. We'd put 1tsp of ground cinnamon into the grounds before brewing, and it was very nice -- made the 7-11 coffee tolerable.

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    8. Re:Simplicity by kent_eh · · Score: 1
      And sometimes, even that is too much work.

      On those occasions, I'll have whatever is in the pot at a nearby truck stop.


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    9. Re:Simplicity by thegrassyknowl · · Score: 1

      My favourite way to make coffee is the cute little brunette/blonde pair down the road (from home, too bad home is a long commute from work).

      Easiest way, ever:

      1. Go to counter
      2. Order "the usual"
      3. Make small talk with cute blonde or brunette depending on the day
      4. Pass over $3
      5. Consume perfect coffee, while continuing small talk.

      They've had that shop there forever, are some of the sweetest women I know and make the best coffee I've had. They have a house blend they make from a mix of 4 different beans. It's not whatever is left over, it is an actual blend recipe. It's amazing; Extra strong, full flavour and without the acidic bitterness of some of the other extra strong beans. I even drink it without sugar.

      At work it's:

      1. Go to machine
      2. Insert mug
      3. Press "strong"
      4. Wait
      5. Gurgle
      6. Wait
      7. Gurgle
      8. Remove mug
      9. Wipe up drips because machine is stupid
      10. Consume

      It's OK coffee - beats that crumbed instamud other places have.

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    10. Re:Simplicity by Paua+Fritter · · Score: 1

      exactly. I've read through several of the posts here about acidity and body I have really only found two flavors of coffee.

      Strong and weak.

      otherwise they are all about the same.

      I have visited the United States before, and I had a similar experience. The 2 flavours I found, though, were "disgusting" and "pathetic".

      Seriously, considering how much coffee Americans drink, why is it so bloody hard to get a decent cup anywhere?

    11. Re:Simplicity by ArsonSmith · · Score: 1

      Again, I just don't get it. I get decent cups everywhere for any price I feel like paying. I can get a decent cup for $.89 at Circle-K or I can get a decent cup for $5 at Starbux. I've tried all degrees from fresh roast to sat in a bag in the fridge for 3 weeks. Really the differences are minute and nothing to get uppity about.

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    12. Re:Simplicity by adolf · · Score: 1

      Right.

      I suppose you drive a 15-year-old Hyundai, and feed it the cheapest available oil and gasoline. If you smoke, you probably indulge in whatever unknown floor-sweep cigar[ette] is cheapest today, and finish the whole mess with a snifter of Old Dan Tucker and/or a couple of cans of skunky Natural Ice at the end of the day.

      Your matress probably consists largely of cardboard. Your furniture is probably all flat-pack. You've heard that 128kbps MP3s suck, but it's all you can stand to download with your dialup modem, and you can fit a lot more of them onto your 6-gigabyte hard drive.

      Your computer mouse has a ball in it. Your sound card is integrated on your Pentium 3 motherboard.

      It's all just minutia, after all. Nothing to get uppity about.

      I applaud you for your ability to be completely satisfied, living in absolute mediocrity.

      *sigh*

      For the rest of us, if we're going to consume something, we'd rather enjoy that consumption as much as possible. Even if the two coffees/cars/motor oils are chemically identical but sold at different prices, if one feels better about spending more on that thing (and so enjoys it more), it will result in increased enjoyment.

      I mean: If the whole point is just to increase alertness, then there's a number of inexpensive OTC caffeine pills which will do just fine. If the point, however, is to *drink coffee*, then you're doing yourself a disservice by drinking whatever acrid swill you can get your hands on.

      And if you really can't tell the difference, I do feel sorry for you. You're missing out.

    13. Re:Simplicity by BrainInAJar · · Score: 1

      "I can get a decent cup for $.89 at Circle-K or I can get a decent cup for $5 at Starbux"

      A tall coffee from starbucks costs $1.75 canadian, and a small coffee from the gas station costs me $1 canadian, and is completely vile (as opposed to just mediocre but it'll do in a pinch, like starbucks), but nice try

    14. Re:Simplicity by nasdaq · · Score: 1

      I worry about the freshness of the bean in the evening so in the morning I don't have to worry about pulling out a chem set to dabble with the natural flavor.

      Really get better bean, quit the cream and sugar dance.

    15. Re:Simplicity by lebow · · Score: 0

      number of inexpensive OTC caffeine pills which will do just fine

      Those are still more expensive than a big can of instant coffee....

      Any way seems like you have a the whole world is here for my pleasure attitude. In that case why not stay in bed all day, and eat chocolate chip cookies...

      The main point of drinking coffee because people want the caffeine so they can get things done, a good taste is just a side benefit. There are many more tasty/enjoyable beverages than coffee, if you want to enjoy the consumption as much as possible then you would drink something else. Clearly no-one drinks coffee purely for the enjoyment of the consumption.

      I'm not saying you can't enjoy coffee, but many people prioritize there time and money in other ways rather than increasing the enjoyment of their mock amphetamine consumption.

    16. Re:Simplicity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was thinking truck stop coffee has got the be the best on planet earth.

    17. Re:Simplicity by ArsonSmith · · Score: 1

      Hmm, not one of those things has ever effected the taste of my coffee. Not sure what you're getting at.

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    18. Re:Simplicity by twitchings · · Score: 1

      "Your computer mouse has a ball in it." Hey, I love my ball mice, perfer them anyday over lasers or whatever. Although I do agree with your post ..... some people have naturally bad taste and revel in the fact.

    19. Re:Simplicity by Lucius+Drake · · Score: 1

      Freshly ground beans. Put beans in a pot with some water. Slice open fresh vanilla pod/bean. Scrape contents into pot. Drop pod in as well. Boil to a froth and allow to reduce a bit. Repeat the boiling/reduction until I have an almost treacle thick coffee/vanilla mass. Pour into mug. Add sugar, but not too much. Drink. I don't make coffee often, but I like it to be as black as sin and as strong as... as... a very strong thing indeed!

    20. Re:Simplicity by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      What are you actually getting a cup of? I drink filter coffee with nothing in it (no milk or sugar) most of the time, and it's very easy to tell the difference between varieties of coffee. If you drink coffee with milk or sugar, it gets a bit harder because you have other flavours competing for your attention. When you get to something like cappuccino and especially when you've got some kind of flavoured syrup in there then it's really hard to tell the difference between good and bad coffee, because the coffee is such a minor part of the overall taste.

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    21. Re:Simplicity by adolf · · Score: 1

      Er. Uh. The world is here for my own personal joy, and I'd be remiss if I did not attempt to maximize that joy.

      To see it any other way is to realize that life, itself, is ultimately futile and without purpose. And since the only thing left to do after that grand realization is to die, I think I'll stick with the personal pleasure attitude for a good while longer instead.

      Good coffee brings me happiness and joy, and thus provides some (however minor) establishment of purpose for my stay here.

      Further: Some people drink decaf, occasionally with carefully-selected and quite tasty roasts, and enjoy it just fine.

      It's not always about the caffeine.

    22. Re:Simplicity by lebow · · Score: 1

      Further: Some people drink decaf, occasionally with carefully-selected and quite tasty roasts, and enjoy it just fine.

      Even decaf coffee has some caffeine in it http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decaf....Most people who drink decaf know that and expect it ...

      To see it any other way is to realize that life, itself, is ultimately futile and without purpose. And since the only thing left to do after that grand realization is to die, I think I'll stick with the personal pleasure attitude for a good while longer instead.

      What about being a productive member of society ? With your approach to life what happens to treating other people with respect? "I'll treat people in whatever manner I want as long as it brings me pleasure." What is the reason to be a moral human being ?

      Or do you define a moral human being as some one who doesn't get in the way of your pleasure. Even then you are forced to concern your self with the joy of others, and that the world is not purely here for your enjoyment.

      People are part of this world as well? Is everyone on the face of the earth here for your enjoyment ? If so do they all know that ? What is your proof to them ? "I would be depressed if I thought the world was here for anything other than my enjoyment"!? How do you know the purpose of this world isn't to make Adol depressed? The sad state of this world is because people are letting there pleasure sensors make there moral decisions, be it is physical pleasure or the pleasure that comes from accomplishment or honor.

      You can keep your Prorshe, your Foo Foo Coffee, and self centernedness, and I'll keep my Subaru and instant Coffee and idealism. At the end well do an accounting and see who's life was more of a success...

      It's not always about the caffeine.

      True, coffee is also a great digestive aid .

    23. Re:Simplicity by adolf · · Score: 1

      What about being a productive member of society ? With your approach to life what happens to treating other people with respect? Easy: I also find pleasure in being socially productive in certain aspects of life. Not on any grand scale, I'm afraid, but I take a firm interest in helping people close to me overcome their problems and inabilities, and will help them out with whatever they ask of me. I don't expect anything but their gratitude in exchange for my labor, which I find very rewarding.

      I also, generally, try to be polite and courteous to the more random people around me. The resultant smiles and brief, friendly conversations are more than enough payoff, for me.

      The rest of my social producivity comes from my day job. And while I don't enjoy very many aspects of my job, I do enjoy the paycheck at the end of the week.

      This paycheck affords me a decent home, which I enjoy living and entertaining in. It lets me buy food for my family, whom I enjoy cooking for. It provides me with funds to procure my more frivolous indulgancies, like a fine Belgian ale, deliciously-cured cigar, or a (back to the topic) good cup of coffee.

      I drive an older BMW. It is not a modest car: Bright red. Big wheels. Performance tires. Stability control. Heated leather. It wasn't an expensive car, though a similarly-aged Toyota would've been a bit less money. But, unlike a Toyota, the Bimmer transforms the automobile from a burdensome transportation necessity into something that makes me grin from ear-to-ear every time I even look at the car. Driving it even to the grocery store is a religious experience for me. And maintaining it is an absolute pleasure; the way it fits together just makes so much sense that it's like a lesson in idealist engineering every time it needs some work (which is surprisingly seldom, for such a complicated vehicle with 160k miles on the clock).

      It's like good coffee. Pricier, harder to find, and a bit fickle sometimes, but the payoff when it's done right is sheer ecstacy.

      But the point is: Just because I'm a self-serving prick, does not mean that I do not care for others, because I also enjoy a feeling of mutual respect, and so will take steps to encourage it.

      I also enjoy a good flame session on Slashdot. I get to see inside of other people in ways not normally possible, and learn a lot of new and interesting things. So it, too, simply feels good. :)

  7. Jackoffee by chord.wav · · Score: 5, Funny

    With a little spurt of Jack Daniel's

    1. Re:Jackoffee by canUbeleiveIT · · Score: 2, Funny

      With a little spurt of Jack Daniel's I'm a little uncomfortable with the term "spurt," especially if we're talking about something that's going in my coffee.
    2. Re:Jackoffee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Given that he called it "jackoffee", I think "spurt" is exactly the right term :)

    3. Re:Jackoffee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      especially if the subject says "Jackoffee"...

    4. Re:Jackoffee by Breakfast+Pants · · Score: 3, Funny

      And yet you aren't uncomfortable with the term "Jackoffee". Wow.

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  8. Roast your own by icars99 · · Score: 4, Informative

    If you can find someone to supply you with green beans, your can roast your own in a hot air popcorn maker. The beans float once roasted and you can control how dark a roast you want.

    You'll also want a very fine grind to get the maximum flavor out of your beans.

    1. Re:Roast your own by JacobO · · Score: 1

      I have to vote for home roasted coffee also. I have had (in the past) good access to freshly roasted beans and they were great, but being able to control the roasting process yourself makes it even better (and guarantees you freshness.)

      I recommend The Green Beanery for those in Canada, this is where I get my green beans from. I have only ever bought free-trade organic beans, so the selection is smaller, but have found some I really like. My particular favorite right now is the Ethiopian Limu (FTO). As has been mentioned in other posts, you have to really experiment with the roast and the grind to determine what brings out the flavors you are after. Some beans produce a nice dark roast and some should not be taken that dark. Your method of brewing will of course be a major factor too. I have a cheap espresso machine which actually works pretty well, and a single cup drip coffee maker which is very convenient.

      I have and can recommend the Fresh Roast Plus 8 roaster (though it is a little small) and the Solis Maestro Plus grinder for the cheaper end of the price spectrum. Both are currently serving the family well.

      I have yet to try the heat gun/dog bowl method of roasting, but I just bought myself a heat gun and will try it out (outside!) when I have the chance.

    2. Re:Roast your own by Rakshasa+Taisab · · Score: 1

      * Imagines popped coffee beans *

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    3. Re:Roast your own by MsWillow · · Score: 1

      I quite agree. I like this one, medium roast. Quite good black.

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    4. Re:Roast your own by sysiphus · · Score: 1

      I've been using the heat gun/dog bowl method for a long time. A friend started me that way, and I only later discovered the Poppery II method. I can't speak highly enough of it. I have obtained beans from Sweet Marias a few times, but they are a bit on the pricey side. Some local shops sell them green, but not at prices I like. I usually get my beans from The Coffee Project. They have good prices, you can buy in 1 pound increments to test a bean with, then can get 5# (or 25#) of beans at a lower rate if you like them. Plus they send 5# increments in really nifty burlap sacks. One roasting friend gets all his from Coffe Bean Direct, but you can only purchase in 5# or more increments there. Another friend buys from the Green Coffee Buying Club, which is very community oriented and sometimes hard to navigate and get what you want. (Rather Linux like, in some ways.) There are many great things about buying green and roasting it yourself. You can buy tons of it, and it won't go bad unless you put it in sunlight, extreme heat or cold, or moisture. And the freshness is beyond measure. It also has a really fun DIY aspect. For heat gun/dog bowl method, you get a heat gun ($20 or less at your local hardware store), a wooden spoon, and a metal bowl. (Dog bowls are the most popular, but I don't like them personally. I use a straight-sided bowl, or a deep egg-shaped bowl. When I need a lot of beans, a Kitchenaide stand mixer bowl is awesome.) Pour in 1/4 to 1/3 the number of beans you think the bowl can hold, kick the gun on high, and aim it point-blank at the beans. Start stirring. Keep this up for the 15-45 minute it takes for them to be ready. (This will vary by the gun's power, quantity and type of beans, ambient temperature, bowl shape, and moon phase.) Go at least till it seems to stop cracking the first time, and probably at least till it starts again. Then cool them in a metal (NOT plastic!) colander or perhaps a metal screen affixed over a horizontal box fan (easy to build and well worth it.) Wait until the next day has passed, then grind and brew. Even with a bad brewer, you've never tasted such good coffee.

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    5. Re:Roast your own by nacturation · · Score: 1

      ... roast your own in a hot air popcorn maker. The beans float once roasted... So make sure you have the lid on, otherwise you'll be picking beans up off the ceiling.
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  9. Wimps! by ProppaT · · Score: 4, Funny


    Real men suck on plugs of grounds. Liquid coffee's for sissies....

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    1. Re:Wimps! by The+Real+Toad+King · · Score: 1

      I have holes in my lip and can't create any suction with my mouth you insensitive clod!

    2. Re:Wimps! by larry+bagina · · Score: 1

      #include "mom_joke.h"

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    3. Re:Wimps! by waldonova · · Score: 1

      Bullocks! Real men freebase coffee.
      The adrenaline rush of knowing that this process may result in severe personal injury amplifies the effect of the caffeine.

    4. Re:Wimps! by Creepy · · Score: 1

      that reminds me of the stuff people brewed in high school

      Start with 17 filters (the "optimal" number for holding water in the grounds long, but not too long - it was in the back of a science classroom, so measured and tested thoroughly) in the drip coffee maker and then fill it 3/4 full of grounds. It took 2 hours to brew because the machine would have to be turned off and on a lot so it didn't overflow and in the meantime the burner would boil off about 1/2 the resulting water. In the end, there is a puddle of nasty sludge at the bottom that was usually consumed quickly in the name of science.

    5. Re:Wimps! by TheRaven64 · · Score: 1

      Chocolate coated coffee beans taste really good, and it's very easy to forget the amount of caffeine you're consuming. I've munched on (roast) coffee beans a few times before too, but it's pretty easy to tell that's a bad idea after the first one.

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  10. Use a press pot by m93 · · Score: 1

    A French press setup with freshly ground beans is the ticket. The coffee steeps like tea, then you press the grounds down to the bottom, leaving the rich goodness up top. You will have higher cholesterol drinking like this though; the oils are not filtered through paper.

    1. Re:Use a press pot by Ophion · · Score: 1

      You will have higher cholesterol drinking like this though; the oils are not filtered through paper.

      If you are making your coffee from pig fat, then you have larger issues than what sort of vessel you brew it in.

    2. Re:Use a press pot by Hatta · · Score: 4, Informative

      Indeed, I love french press coffee, but the whole cafestol situation is pretty sad. They've done the experiments, given french press coffee to one group, and drip coffee to another, and after 6 months the french press drinkers had about 10% more LDL cholesterol. Here's the study, and a non-technical blurb. There's also a lengthy review I haven't gotten around to reading yet.

      I don't know what to do. Going back to drip coffee would make me awfully sad, but better to be sad than prematurely dead.

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    3. Re:Use a press pot by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm pretty sure he's referring to this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cafestol, but bacon grease with coffee does sound mighty appealing...

    4. Re:Use a press pot by Ophion · · Score: 1

      Yes, I know. The joke was pretty lame, but I made it to point out that the link between that particular alcohol and a significant change in serum chemistry is tenuous and that cafestol's chemoprotective properties may well offset (in total health kind of way) any change that does occur. Perhaps I should have just written it this way to begin with.

    5. Re:Use a press pot by schwaang · · Score: 1

      Call me Mr. Obvious, but have you tried pouring the pressed coffee through a filter? I always rinse paper filters before use to lessen that yucky flavor they impart.

    6. Re:Use a press pot by fferreres · · Score: 1

      Drink 1 less cup of great tasting coffee out of every 10 cups you'd drink of filtered coffee, and you'll be fine.

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    7. Re:Use a press pot by coaxial · · Score: 1

      I think the going theory on this is that the cholesterol (or whatever is causesing the LDL increase) is absorbed by the paper filter used in drip. If so, I figure the simplest thing to do is simply to refilter the french press with a paper prior to drinking.

    8. Re:Use a press pot by Luyseyal · · Score: 1

      I made drip coffee through a plastic filter for the better part of 5 years. Due to cafestol, I recently switched back to paper filters. It definitely affects the flavor.

      -l

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    9. Re:Use a press pot by sudog · · Score: 1

      Why the heck is parent modded informative? The link doesn't take you to the study, it takes you to PubMed.

      The "Lengthy Review" isn't anywhere near lengthy and is in fact merely a review of *available* toxicological studies about cafestol.

      It's like he didn't even read what he's linking to! What the hell?

    10. Re:Use a press pot by Hatta · · Score: 1

      The link doesn't take you to the study, it takes you to PubMed.

      And pubmed will take you to the study if you have a subscription to the relevant journal.

      The "Lengthy Review" isn't anywhere near lengthy and is in fact merely a review of *available* toxicological studies about cafestol.

      Over 40 pages is pretty lengthy. And I dunno wtf this other comment is supposed to mean. What else do you expect from literature review except a review of the available literature? And yes, as I said I haven't read the whole thing yet. Just including it for thoroughness.

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    11. Re:Use a press pot by sudog · · Score: 1

      A subscription-based publication which the poster didn't say was necessary, and didn't even describe how to find. I.e. he didn't cite *which* study was involved. Therefore, the link is useless. Who amongst the readers of Slashdot even has these subscriptions?

      If you consider 40 pages to be "lengthy" you've been on the Internet too long letting your attention span shrink. Also, it's not 40 pages, it's only 29 pages. It's 44 pages after you add in the bibliography, appendix, and table of contents. Why would the table of contents figure in your estimate of how abysmally long you think the review of toxicology is? You can just skip that stuff.

      Honestly people, a few pages of PDF that you can simply run a find on, and people run screaming..?

      Why even post at all if you're not going to at least read it and offer a few useful comments?

      You said, "Here's the study." There's isn't just *one* study, which you'd known if you'd stopped reflexively clicking the "Reply" button and kharma whoring before making even a modicum of effort. There are a whole pile of them spanning multiple decades.

      Sheesh.

    12. Re:Use a press pot by Hatta · · Score: 1

      It was "the" study to which I was referring.

      Also, you're a jackass. Don't you have something better to do?

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    13. Re:Use a press pot by sudog · · Score: 1

      Something better to do? You mean like actually reading the measly 29-page NIH overview about the available toxicology literature on the health effects of the stuff that millions of us drink every day before I post a link to it? Why yes. Yes I do.

      Meanwhile, you still haven't identified which study you're talking about, so nobody knows what you're talking about. There are dozens of studies that show similar things, but it's not clear whether you mean one of those or the NIG *overview*. Which one specifically are you talking about?

    14. Re:Use a press pot by Hatta · · Score: 1

      Ok fine, I'm dumb, my post sucked and everyone who modded it up is a moron. Happy? Now don't you have a race to get to?

      Do you actually think you're proving anything to anyone here?

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    15. Re:Use a press pot by sudog · · Score: 1

      Okay that was funny. :-)

      I'm just saying it's not a hard read. If you drink coffee you owe it to yourself to at least skim through it.

      I post because I care.

      About you. And all the other Slashdot readers.

    16. Re:Use a press pot by dwpro · · Score: 1

      do you, by chance, work for Verison?

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  11. Divine Turkish Coffee by oever · · Score: 4, Insightful

    - Get Turkish ground beans
    - For two mugs, dissolve one spoon of ground beans and half a teaspoon of sugar in a small amount of milk in a mug
    - Heat pan
    - Pour viscous mass into pan
    - add two mugs of milk
    - heat until the milk rises to the edge of the pan
    - pour divine coffee into mugs, while avoiding the dregs to leak into the mugs
    - enjoy

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    1. Re:Divine Turkish Coffee by lebow · · Score: 3, Informative
      I've never herd of putting milk in Turkish coffee ?...

      The classic way to make Turkish coffee is in a fujuan (sp?), it is a small pot with a tapered opening... first you put in water ( about 6 or 7 oz ) and 1 tablespoon of sugar, add a pinch of Hawadg (sp?) (special blend of spices for coffee) or just Cardamom. After the watter is boiled and the the sugar dissolved, remove from the fire, float a big heap of coffee ( about tablespoon ) on top of the water, then return to the fire... if you did everything right it will start to foam up... remove from the fire right before it over flows... you can do this a few times (3) .... pour out the liquid.. and drink.

      above when ever I said fire, I meant sand that was heated by the sun...

    2. Re:Divine Turkish Coffee by Bourbon+Man · · Score: 1

      I'v never heard of a "fujuan", but Turkish coffee is usually brewed with an ibrik.

    3. Re:Divine Turkish Coffee by lebow · · Score: 2, Informative

      Sorry poor transliteration, Finjan is a little more accurate, or Dallah for another name.

      Just cause you've never heard of it doesn't mean it isn't called that, unless maybe your an expert on semitic languages and cultures.

      Also the link you provided is to an article written by some one who came from Russia to the US. I'm not sure why you would think she would be an expert on the names for the pot used to make coffee in middle eastern countries, and provide an exhaustive list of those names.

    4. Re:Divine Turkish Coffee by Koyaanisqatsi · · Score: 1


      Holly cow! Been doing this for a while now. I used to cone-drip my coffe, but since I usually drink it with milk, it would get a bit wattery from the water in the coffe. That's when I decided to boil the milk (whole) with the ground beans in it :)

      Tiny differences: I don't add sugar while preparing it, I do it later on the mug (will try the variation next time though) and in order to keep the ground beans away from the mug, I pour it from the pan trough a fine metal mesh, fine enough to retain the grains but not to clog and prevent flow - like happened in the cone filter when I first tried it ... :)

  12. Turkish FTW - or if drip, freshly ground by mikeasu · · Score: 2, Informative

    Turkish Coffee. Definitely my favorite, but rarely make it these days. I get mine from this site:
    http://www.natashascafe.com/
    Finely ground, boil a couple times. My small "ibrik" makes about 3 espresso sized cups per batch, but trust me, that's all you need. Unfiltered too - you end up leaving a sludge at the bottom of your cup.

    In regards to the original question, I've seen the coffee fool site, haven't tried starting with unroasted beans. I have had the best luck, drip coffee wise, using this:
    http://www.cuisinart.com/catalog/product.php?produ ct_id=14&item_id=34&cat_id=3
    and grinding the beans fresh. There's definitely a difference to me using freshly ground vs. pre-ground. Cleaning the coffeemaker every couple weeks by running vinegar through it, then a couple carafes full of water helps too.

    1. Re:Turkish FTW - or if drip, freshly ground by nuzak · · Score: 1

      Grind n' Brew is terrific, got one of those myself. The thermal carafe keeps the coffee warm for a nice long time without continuously heating it (coffee's still pretty bad if you leave it for hours, but at least it goes bad slower in this).

      In general tho, here's the thing about good coffee, and frankly quality in general: get or make the best stuff for which you actually *care* about the difference. Anything more than that is empty snobbery for an empty wallet. For me, getting peets beans of a varietal I like, and changing the filter in the drip machine every 60 days is all it takes. It's not like I'm langorously savoring the stuff.

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  13. Roast your own by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Store bought coffee, even whole bean, is often weeks old, months even for the canned stuff. However, the bean peaks in freshness after a short resting period of a day or three and only lasts in peak freshness for about a week. After that it rapidly stales because the chemical processes set in place continue even after the roast is complete. So, you may never get much of a difference between store-bought whole-bean coffee and preground - both will be mostly or completely staled and bland. Fresh roasted coffee tho - that you will detect a difference right away.

    Never store your coffee in the freezer or fridge. No matter how well you seal it, moisture can still get in. Also, moisture gets in when you open the package. Nothing stales coffee faster than moisture. So - roast what you can consume in a week and only that. When you're done with that, roast for the next week and so forth.

    http://www.sweetmarias.com/ is the premier source of green tho I get my Kona direct from a farmer I know - they also have a decent home-roaster's forum too. You can roast with a West Bend Poppery I or II popcorn popper - I started off with the Poppery II - and there are roasters in levels of sophistication all the way up to the fancy drum roasters. I have a pair of Alpenrosts that work fine for me for the moment. I'll upgrade when they die but they're perfect for my coffee currently. Store your coffee in a button-bag and press out the air and keep it in a cool dark location. I use the coffee press exclusively because I like a heavier bodied coffee. Home roasted coffee tastes like it smells - hot, tepid or chilled. Zero bitterness and wonderful taste - something you'll never find in a store-bought coffee.

  14. Vietnamese Style by Ophion · · Score: 1

    I lately have mostly been making Vietnamese style coffee (hot or iced, with or without sweetened condensed milk).

  15. Toddy by LordNimon · · Score: 3, Interesting

    http://www.toddycafe.com/.

    Brew an entire pound of coffee in one shot, then dilute a cup's worth whenever you want some. It's easy to adjust the strength, and all you need to do is heat the coffee to your taste (or stick in a couple ice cubes for iced coffee).

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    1. Re:Toddy by luc-fr · · Score: 1

      Definitively ! Let it brew 12 hours, overnight, on the counter, and you get a delicious coffee. Some friends thought it was flavored coffee since the taste is so different and smooth. It tastes like coffee smell... Luc

    2. Re:Toddy by Paul+Doom · · Score: 1

      I second that. The coffee is smooth and the time savings is unbeatable. At the drop of a hat you can nuke up a good cup of coffee, which is good because I may need another cup at the drop of a hat to keep from collapsing unconscious into my keyboard.

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    3. Re:Toddy by mbourgon · · Score: 1

      I'll third it. The explanation I've heard, as to why it's so good (besides the fact that you can easily adjust the strength) is that the hot water puts the oils in your coffee cup. The Cold-water extraction leaves the oils behind, causing a much less bitter brew.

      All I know is that I grab a pound of Community Coffee once a month, "brew" it using cold water, then put the resultant liquid in the fridge. 1 Shot per mug, and I get a month's worth out of it.
      Beware, however: while adding cream & sugar in equal ratios with the coffee concentrate results in liquid heaven, your boss may call your wife after you bounce off the walls at work. (Oops)

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    4. Re:Toddy by srmalloy · · Score: 1

      I've been making toddy coffee for years now, and I still remember the experiment I did shortly after I bought my first toddy maker, when I went to the supermarket and bought the cheapest blue-stripe coffee I could find and brewed that in the toddy maker. What I got was clearly inferior coffee made from cheap beans... but it was perfectly drinkable and not at all acidic or bitter... unlike the one cup of filter-cone drip I brewed as a control, which by comparison was almost undrinkable.

  16. Easy way by coren2000 · · Score: 5, Funny

    I like to push the GO button on the coffee machine at work.

    1. Re:Easy way by StaticEngine · · Score: 1

      Tall, Left Coffee, Start.

      iCup > Towels.

    2. Re:Easy way by drewzhrodague · · Score: 1

      Damn, I miss those things...

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  17. with a straw and a mirror by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    grind a roast of your choice to the finest powder, the finer the powder the better the buzz transfer the grounds to a mirror, piece of glass, or other smooth surface use a razor blade, credit card, or other planar surface to cut lines Snort and enjoy!

  18. Fresh roasted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't drink coffee at all, but my Mom swears by fresh roasted green coffee.

  19. Single cup Melitta by sakusha · · Score: 1

    Nothing beats a single-cup Melitta drip cone. If you go to a good coffee shop and ask for a regular coffee, they'll make you a single cup with a filter cone. I used to watch the coffee shop girls in Japan and they make filter-cone coffee with such precision, it's incredible.
    Some people say that drip filters leach too much from some grounds and too little from others. So just swish the water around in the filter while it's brewing, make sure the grounds get all mixed together instead of sticking to the sides of the cone. Makes a big difference.

    1. Re:Single cup Melitta by jnana · · Score: 1

      I absolutely agree on the swishing part. I vigorously stir the water and grounds with a spoon while I'm pouring the water, and there is a noticeable difference. It definitely extracts more flavor when I stir vigorously than when I don't.

    2. Re:Single cup Melitta by Jasin+Natael · · Score: 1

      I use a Gevalia cone filter coffee maker, and after reading some of the comments here, I decided to try something new -- pouring 4 oz of almost-boiling water in at the edges of the filter and letting it stand for 60 seconds before turning the machine on and adding the caraffe. It's definitely the best cup of coffee ever to come out of that machine. It's less bitter and less acidic, but at the same time considerably stronger. Perhaps stirring the grounds briefly (or swirling the basket) during the pre-brew would improve it even more.

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    3. Re:Single cup Melitta by sakusha · · Score: 1

      sounds similar to what I do. I have a 1-cup Melitta plastic cone, it sits right on top of your coffee mug. I add the paper cone and coffee, get my water heated just to below boiling, then drizzle in enough water to moisten the grounds. Then I let it sit for a maybe 15 or 20 seconds, and add about 1/2 cup of water. Swirl the cone so the grounds circulate, then add the rest of the water and keep swirling. Everyone loves my coffee. The only problem is that I can only make one cup at a time.

  20. water temperature and grind by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    a summer of experimentation revealed that water temperature and grind have more impact than other factors unless you're roasting your own beans (they go stale within 72 hours of roasting, but unroasted beans will stay fresh for weeks).

    the finer the grind, the more surface area. the hotter the water, the more acids. boiling water will turn the best freshly roasted/ground coffee into something that tastes like it came from denny's. also, coffee grounds have a "useful flavor life", the first 500-600mL will have most of the flavor, anything extra will taste bitter.

    i pre-mix turkish grind with water at 140-160F, let sit, then pour the resulting sludge through a melitta #6 filter cone; i used to pour directly into the cone, but discovered signifigant flavor loss where the grounds weren't getting wet. (fwiw, the melitta filter cones are a perfect fit for 1000mL griffin beakers.)

  21. I'm your coffee answer man! by spun · · Score: 4, Informative

    Okay, I had a girlfriend in college who worked at New Haven, Connecticut's snootiest coffee roaster. She and they gave me a fairly complete education in coffee. Here's the scoop.

    Coffee beans lose 90% of their varietal aromatics within 3 days of roasting if unground, and within four hours if ground. Coffee quality is at least as much a function of the care taken in combing over the beans for clinkers as it is in the quality of the beans. A single clinker, that is, an immature bean, can ruin an entire pot of coffee, imparting a bitter, burnt flavor. They will look lighter in color, may be smaller, and will be lighter in weight than other beens, and you can remove them yourself. Obviously, if you are buying a blend with lighter and darker beans, they will be harder to find than a single varietal.

    Method of brewing is important, with the major factors being the temperature of the water and the length of time the water is in contact with the grounds. Water temperature should be between 195 and 205 degrees Fahrenheit, and ideally should not stay in contact with grounds for more than six minutes. After that amount of time, the grounds start to release more bitter compounds.

    As for the taste of beans, you will find there are three distinct coffee producing regions. Central and South American beans have low acidity, medium to high body (that is, the feel of the coffee in you mouth. If it feels thick, that is high body. If it feels watery, that is low body.) and tends towards spicy flavor notes. Eastern African coffees tend to have high acidity, low body, and winy flavor notes. Southeastern Asian coffees tend to have medium to low acidity, medium body, and earthy or nutty flavor ntoes. Of course, I am talking about Arabica beans from these regions, not Robusta, which all tend to taste like hay.

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    1. Re:I'm your coffee answer man! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Beans outgas after they are roasted. Most beans take at least 1 or 2 days after roasting to hit their peak. Then they are fine for about a week. Two weeks at the most. Ground coffee is stale in minutes if you want to use it for espresso. You could maybe get away with an hour or two if you are just going to use it in a drip machine or french press.

      So summary:
      Whole beans: 2 weeks
      Ground coffee: 2 minutes

    2. Re:I'm your coffee answer man! by BobearQSI · · Score: 5, Informative

      Also check out http://www.thecoffeecritic.com/ and read about thier 'Brewing Secrets.' I like to get my coffee from them. They roast it and ship it the day it is ordered, and by UPS ground its 2 days from them to me. You can also buy green beans from them if you get your own roaster.

      The important thing is to consume it right away, like within a week - in an airtight container, they say 14 days, but in my opinion its a little less.

      And never freeze your coffee, like I've heard some people say. I've read that it is the release of carbon dioxide and other minerals that makes coffee go stale and lose its sweet taste. Freezing does delay this, however, freezing causes the air moisture, along with impurities in the air, to freeze on the coffee, and when thawed, leaves unpleasant flavors and aromas in the coffee. So don't freeze it unless the air in your freezer and between the coffee beans inside the container is completely free of impurities of any kind. The coffee will also more readily pick up any smells present when frozen.

    3. Re:I'm your coffee answer man! by spun · · Score: 3, Informative

      The outgassing means loss of volatile flavor elements. Willoughby's, where the aformentioned college girlfriend worked, claimed that the "coffee gets better in two days" myth was started by greedy roasters who wanted to sell out of date coffee. After two to three days, yes, coffee doesn't change much in flavor for two to three weeks. But I have had fresh roasted coffee, and I can tell you first hand that the whole "coffee tastes better after two days" thing is a complete myth.

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    4. Re:I'm your coffee answer man! by radicalnerd · · Score: 1
      Very impressive, but I'm a bit skeptical of the validity of some of the claims you made... especially this bit:

      Okay, I had a girlfriend
    5. Re:I'm your coffee answer man! by zhenya00 · · Score: 1

      I disagree. After spending several years working in an extremely high-end cafe, (http://www.gimmecoffee.com/) and years of roasting at home, I find I prefer most varieties after they have out-gassed for 1-2 days. I find this especially important when roasting on the lighter end of the spectrum. These days, I purchase directly from the roaster, but can tell as soon as the water hits the grounds if it has had enough settling time. If not the 'gases' seem to dominate the flavor.

    6. Re:I'm your coffee answer man! by Bodhidharma · · Score: 1

      I've been roasting my own coffee for five years and I can say with certainty that coffee is best after it has rested a day or two. The sweet spot seems to be from 2-7 days after a roast. Then it starts to dull. Depending on the bean, it may still be drinkable at 10-14 days after the roast. After that, it's good compost.

      A darker roast doesn't seem to need as much rest time as a lighter roast. I think that the oxidation process can improve a too bright bean. That's why a lighter roaster tastes better 1-2 days later.

      As for the whole religious war over origins, tastes vary. I've had really good JBM but it's not worth $30/lb to me.

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    7. Re:I'm your coffee answer man! by spun · · Score: 1

      I'll have to do a bit more testing on my own, Willoughby's could have been feeding us all a marketing line of their own, I guess. As for the origins war, I guess I came down a bit hard on Kona and JBM, they aren't awful coffees. I just feel like you do, there is no way they are four times as good as a $7/lb coffee.

      Hehe, like your sig. Here's another one: Did you hear about the dyslexic agnostic insomniac? He lay awake at night wondering if there's a dog.

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    8. Re:I'm your coffee answer man! by sean.peters · · Score: 1

      And never freeze your coffee, like I've heard some people say.

      Many people do say this, but color me unconvinced. I roast my own beans and routinely freeze them afterwards. I never have problems with either moisture getting into the beans or off flavors developing. I think that this is mainly a problem for people who have stinky refrigerators/freezers.

  22. I Can't Believe You Are Drinking That Swill by kmhebert · · Score: 1

    Please. Unless the grounds come out of a civet cat's rear end it will never pass my lips.

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  23. I love coffee by maynard · · Score: 1

    OK, I'm not affiliated with this company I just like their products:

    Go to Sweet Marias and order up some green beans and a buy a roaster. For cheap stuff, I prefer Ethiopian Yrgacheffe, but the selection is large and there's plenty of other beans and blends available. For the roaster, I have one of these. It's a nice cheap way to try roasting. If you're really cheap, many hot air popcorn makers will roast just fine too. And finally, for the perfect cup you'll want to try one of these Vacuum Coffee Brewers that are pain to clean but brew the best damn cup this side of a French Press.

    Hmmmmm coffee... yum!

    Also, the Rancilio Silvia and Gaggia Classic are still IMO the best single boiler home espresso machines on the market. I've had a Silvia for almost seven years and it's taken one hell of a beating every day, with no downtime. Thing is built like a tank.

  24. Just the same by earnest+murderer · · Score: 1

    Home ground through a drip coffee maker is just too easy. Cleanlyness is usally the only critical factor there. You can get a wee (wee) bit different flavor using other methods, but I've not tasted anything that was identifiably better. Maybe a french press, maybe, but stray grounds, time and mess usually make that not worth the effort.

    Fresh beans (roasted that day) are good for a couple to three days. After that they start to taste a lot like everything else. Not bad, but the interesting parts that make a particular bean unique mellow significantly. I've found a pretty good shop in town that roasts their own and just take whatever they did that morning.

    You could roast your own, but you're back to time, mess, and a house that smells strongly of coffee roasting.

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  25. No Contest by uberjoe · · Score: 1

    French Press.

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    1. Re:No Contest by Anne_Nonymous · · Score: 1

      Many people swear by French Press, yet I've tried that method several times and the coffee always comes out tasting vile. What's the secret?

    2. Re:No Contest by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Many people swear by French Press, yet I've tried that method several times and the coffee always comes out tasting vile. What's the secret?

      Use good beans, and make sure they are suitably ground. (use an espresso grind and you'll get mud coffee)

      1 tablespoon of coffee per cup of water + 1 extra tablespoon, add near-boiling water, and brew for about 3 minutes.

    3. Re:No Contest by uberjoe · · Score: 1

      Start with good coffee? Seriously though, It depends on how you like your coffee. If you are looking for a more espresso type brew, use more finely ground coffee. If you just want a full bodied brew then use a more coarse grind (coarser than drip). Also use a burr grinder as opposed to a blade grinder. It will provide a even grind with little dust (which will pass through the filter and get in your cup).

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    4. Re:No Contest by nacturation · · Score: 1

      Many people swear by French Press, yet I've tried that method several times and the coffee always comes out tasting vile. What's the secret? As the AC said, the important part is to start with the grind. You want a much larger grind than what you get with store-ground coffee -- mostly so that the grounds are large enough that they don't pass through the mesh on the plunger part. Unless you fancy playing around with grind size yourself, the best way to start is to go to your local coffee shop (Starbucks will do) and ask for a grind suitable for a French press (or "Bodum" as most people know it from the craze a decade ago). I don't recall the proper ratio, but I'm sure your coffee shop can tell you that. Pour in enough near-boiling water, leaving room for the coffee, then put the proper amount of coffee in afterwards. Put the plunger part on top so that it pushes the coffee just below the surface of the water and wait a few minutes. Then press the plunger all the way to the bottom and pour your cup. If you've done it right, you'll notice the oils in the coffee much more prominently in your cup than with most other preparation methods.
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  26. Aeropress by aphxtwn · · Score: 1

    I'm a tea drinker now, but when I used to be a heavy coffee drinker, I'd grind my own beans from a local roaster and use it in an aeropress. it's basically a giant syringe with a small coffee filter at the end instead of a needle. you take the rubber stopper out of one side, pour grounds and hot water in like a french press, but the rubber stopper forces the water through the filter at the bottom with pressure and all you're left with is a puck of moist grounds and some intense espresso below. coffee, made by diluting the espresso, tastes exceptionally smooth but maintaining its potency. seriously, i used to get really loaded using that. good stuff.

    1. Re:Aeropress by zettabyte · · Score: 1

      Someone with mod points mod up the Aero Press.

      It's the best coffee maker you will ever own. Bar none. You basically make espresso and add water, often called an Americano.

      Incidentally, if you insist on using a drip maker, leave 15%-20% of the water in the pot. A friend who works for Starbuck's gave me that tip. It'll help the coffee remain smooth. The longer water is in contact with the grounds the more bitterness is pulled out.

      But get yourself an Aero Press and you'll turn your nose up at Starbuck's.

    2. Re:Aeropress by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed! Got my first Aeropress a couple of months ago. Makes great coffee. Had the espresso aficionado in the office try a cup of Aeropress Espresso (he owns an expresso machine), and he liked it so much he's bought one too.

      I've a second one for home use on the way as I type.

    3. Re:Aeropress by rlauzon · · Score: 1

      Same here. I got my AeroPress a while back and I've had great success with it.

      The only coffees that don't come out well are heavily flavored ones - but I'm willing to bet that they use lower quality coffee for those.

    4. Re:Aeropress by Darkfred · · Score: 1

      It's the best coffee maker you will ever own. Bar none. You basically make espresso and add water, often called an Americano. Quoted for truth. I have one and it is simply the best coffee ever. And without milk or dilution it makes an espresso comparable to a $3000 dollar machine. for $20!
      In addition it makes a great chai, just place a tea-bag in the bottom or a teaspoon of loose leaf. Stir, set for 20sec then press. Add it to a cup of heated milk and it is better than anything you can buy at starbucks. (although not quite as good as a samovar, it works much more consistantly with cheap teabags.)
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    5. Re:aeropress by Deagol · · Score: 1

      Looks really cool, but the idea of requiring consumables (the filters) turns me off. The French press and stove-top espresso makers are nice in that you don't need filters.

    6. Re:aeropress by flamingbear · · Score: 1

      I have two. One at home and one at work. I love them both. Filters are both cheap and reusable.

    7. Re:aeropress by goombah99 · · Score: 1

      As the company points out. not only are the filters reusable, but a years supply consumes as much paper as just one section of your daily newspaper. Because they are small a year's supple store in a stack about 2x2x2 inches, which is smaller than the press itself.

      I reuse mine so for $2, I've got about 3 years worth of filters. Even if the company stopped making them, I think I'd wear it out before I ran out of filters.

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    8. Re:aeropress by Dugster · · Score: 1

      Go to the Aerobie website and read their story of how it works,and you may just may change your mind.I reuse my filters(dirt cheap!)and still get no grounds in my cup,and cleanup is stupid/easy.Another great American invention that kicks ass!

    9. Re:aeropress by Squalish · · Score: 1

      For once, this is a company that doesn't gauge you on the consumables.

      They are sold in 350-packs for a penny a filter, and even then they can be reused. They are very thin and flatpacked into an stack the size of an 8oz sodacan.

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  27. Three favorites by Aging_Newbie · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Ultimate favorite is the Toddy Coffee Maker. Google lists lots of sites. It cold brews coffee into a coffee concentrate over a period of 24 hours. Then to make a cup of coffee you add a shot of the concentrate to a cup of hot water/zap it and drink. Very smooth especially with Columbian coffee, minimal acids and LOTS of caffeine. Cold brewing preserves lots of flavors and oils too. Downside is that the concentrate needs refrigeration as does the reusable filter for the coffee maker. Without refrigeration, or after a while even with it, the concentrate ferments/gets rancid sort of like old iced tea so you have to drink enough to keep it fresh. Somewhat inconvenient but really really good.

    Drip brewed using the fine screen rather than filter paper is the 2nd best, particularly with lots of finely ground coffee. I like it best about halfway in strength between regular drip and expresso. Unlike a paper filter, the screen does not perform chromatography on all of the tasty oils in the coffee so more flavor gets to the coffee.

    I spend a lot of time in the wilderness and my choice there is a stainless steel percolator on a gas burner with very low flame. If the flame is too high the coffee tastes scorched and bitter, but if it is just enough to perc every 1-3 seconds it produces really strong full flavored coffee. I wait about 15 minutes of percolating. More boils off too much flavor, less makes it weak. YMMV I don't know whether electric percolators work as well, my recollection of electrically percolators is that the coffee tasted bitter but it was decades ago. I have looked longingly at the backpacking expresso maker sold at backpacking stores, and wonder if it really works. Maybe somebody here has used one and could comment.

    Now, for the beans vs. ground topic. I have long been a fan of grinding beans but the Costco Columbian ground coffee is so good that it is hard to tell from fresh ground beans. There are good beans and poor beans and maybe I hit a run of poor beans, I think.

    1. Re:Three favorites by lemonysam · · Score: 1

      One thing worth looking at for camping and backpacking coffee production is the Jetboil french press adaptor. If you have one of their stoves (which I'm a big fan of when going lightweight) it's a nifty little bit of luxury to have around.

    2. Re:Three favorites by sean.peters · · Score: 1

      Unlike a paper filter, the screen does not perform chromatography on all of the tasty oils in the coffee so more flavor gets to the coffee.

      Helpful hint: if you use paper, wet the filter before adding coffee grounds. When the filter's already wet, there's no capillarity going on, and therefore no tendency to draw the volatile oils up the paper.

  28. Café Mocha by krunoce · · Score: 1

    Strong, with some Hershey's cocoa powder and milk. And fresh grounded for the smell.

  29. Walk to Starbucks... by bziman · · Score: 1

    ...and get the barista to do it.

    It doesn't matter how hard I try, I can never seem to get the Java Chip to turn out right when I attempt it myself. And being addicted to chocolate flavoured coffee, I have no other choice.

    1. Re:Walk to Starbucks... by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      Starbucks makes good flavored and "fancy" coffee-drink things, but I've never been fond of their regular coffee. In fact, I usually hit a McDonald's preferentially over a Starbucks (at least in Manhattan... I don't know if McDonald's coffee is decent elsewhere). It'll save you a buck, too.

      Now what Starbucks really excels at are restrooms - they are pretty consistently clean and there is one on every other block in Manhattan :)

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  30. Cona Vacuum Brewer by Coryoth · · Score: 1

    For pure style you can't go past Cona vaccum brewers; they're just fun to watch. Conveniently they also make great coffee, and are pretty consistent at doing that: the design ensures you always get temperature and extraction rate perfect, and the result is an incredibly clean cup of coffee that is never too bitter.

    1. Re:Cona Vacuum Brewer by SMS_Design · · Score: 1

      I -LOVE- my vac brew pot. It is the only way to properly make a good cup of coffee.

    2. Re:Cona Vacuum Brewer by epochbb · · Score: 1

      Agreed -- vac pots produce the cleanest and most consistent coffee. If you can't afford the Cona, the Bodum Santos is almost as good, though Bodum can't seem to make up their mind about whether or not they want to keep making the model. It's still available from some places, though (try http://greenbeanery.ca/ if you're in Canada). Don't be fooled by the electric version, it's far inferior (made of plastic, harder to clean, etc). As a cheap and very effective upgrade, which puts the Santos on an equal footing with the Cona IMO, I purchased an antique glass Cory filter rod on eBay to use instead of the plastic filter that comes with the Bodum Santos. Now my coffee never comes in contact with plastic or metal during brewing. Yum! As for the beans themselves, go for some Ethiopian Yirgacheffe. Many people call it the best coffee in the world, and I tend to agree!

  31. My Setup by hahiss · · Score: 1

    The thing that has made the biggest difference for me was switching to a burr grinder from a blade grinder. I didn't believe that it would make that big of a difference, but even a cheap (for a burr grinder) $50 cuisinart grinder makes a huge difference in terms of the flavor and mouth feel of the brew.

    As for the brewing, I've become quite enamored with my vacuum coffee machine; I use the Bodum Santos Electric:

    http://www.bodumusa.com/shop/line.asp?MD=3&GID=52& LID=280&CHK=&SLT=

    It is geek-a-rific to watch, and it brews a fabulous cup o' joe. (And it is programmable---so the process can be over before I wake up.) Purists complain that the electronic versions aren't as good as the manual ones, but I'm not a purist---and mornings aren't the time for me to be messing with the burners.

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  32. Espresso by hansendc · · Score: 1

    You can't beat an espresso machine. The problem is that espresso is really easy to screw up, and it tastes really bad when you do. You quickly move from grocery-store-bought beans to fresher locally roasted beans to home roasting. Even when home-roasting, the beans go downhill after about a week after you roast them, so it's best to keep your batches relatively small. The last key is to get a decent burr grinder. The little spinny things produce horribly uneven grinds, which is a nightmare for espresso. 1. Do espresso 2. Get a good grinder 3. roast green coffee beans yourself

    1. Re:Espresso by rossz · · Score: 1

      I haven't quite reached the roast-your-own stage level of insanity. Give me a few more months.

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  33. Aeropress by thule · · Score: 1

    I purchased a Aeropress from Thinkgeek and it seems to work pretty good. Inexpensive, easy to use and clean. The only fault I have found is that I tried some beans from the supermarket and it made really nasty coffee. No matter how fancy a maker you have, if you have bad beans, it will not help.

  34. Coffee isn't for enjoying by linvir · · Score: 1

    If you start getting all lah dee dah about it, you're defeating the object: to overclock your brain and get stuck into something. The only reason I even bother boiling the damn water is that I don't trust the coffee beans to be safe to consume otherwise.

    1. Re:Coffee isn't for enjoying by justthinkit · · Score: 1

      Right on. I drink Maxwell House, from a drip machine. The 40 ouncer of pre-ground gets refridgerated for days at a time. Yet it beats the pants off of Starbucks anything. Main reason: it is not over-roasted.

      Flavored coffees should be illegal. Coffee snobs should move to France. Roasting or grinding at home? Surely you jest.

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    2. Re:Coffee isn't for enjoying by lebow · · Score: 1

      You mean you waste time with beans and water... I just snort some of that powdered coffee... don't worry the popping sound is just your blood-vessels constricting. I always carry some in a snuff box for when I need a fix.

  35. Um... Yeah... by Greyfox · · Score: 1
    Chew a hand full of chocolate covered espresso beans and then drink some water.

    I brought a box of chocolate covered espresso beans in to work one time and a co-worker hand a handful before reading the label and realizing that *4* beans was about one cup's worth of coffee. Good times!

    My current company has a pump espresso machine in the Oregon office. That's a sweet piece of machinery. Unfortunately after using it I've realized how inadequate my old $90 cheapo steam machine is and am now going to have to shell out a fat chunk of cash for a REAL espresso machine. *sigh*

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    1. Re:Um... Yeah... by honkycat · · Score: 1

      Heh, I once ate about a quarter pound of those things (or whatever was the size of the container I bought) in a sitting... everything got very bright, and I fell asleep. Probably not recommended behavior, though.

  36. French press or Nespresso for me by Momomoto · · Score: 1

    I'm in no way an authority on coffee beans, but I do believe I make a mean French press of coffee. It's relatively simple: one tablespoon of coffee for every six ounces (or 180mL for we metric folk) of water, let the freshly-boiled water stand for ten seconds to bring it down to maximum flavour extraction temperature, and then let the grounds steep for four minutes. Press and enjoy! There's no way that anybody could force me to grind two tablespoons of coffee a day, though, so I just grind enough at one time for three or four days. I've come to grips with the fact that I probably can't tell the difference anyway.

    If I'm looking for something a bit more like rocket fuel (even though French press coffee does have a great kick), I turn to my Nespresso Essenza C100. It's tiny as hell and punches a heck of a lot of pressure through it, resulting in an espresso the likes of which I've never seen outside of commercial machines.

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    1. Re:French press or Nespresso for me by mollymoo · · Score: 1

      let the freshly-boiled water stand for ten seconds to bring it down to maximum flavour extraction temperature

      Ten seconds? Your altitude will have a substantially larger impact on the temperature of the water than letting it stand for a mere ten seconds. Shit, you'd need an unusually good thermometer and decent methodology just to measure the temperature drop in ten seconds. Last I heard, coffee should be brewed with water at around 360 kelvin. Unless you live on the top of a mountain, your boiled-ten-seconds-ago water will still be too hot.

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    2. Re:French press or Nespresso for me by Momomoto · · Score: 1

      I'll freely admit that there isn't much scientific method behind my wait period. That having been said, waiting ten seconds and hoping it gets down to (what I've heard should be) 94 Celsius is far better than pouring it on fresh from the pot.

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  37. Cold Coffeemilk by gregor-e · · Score: 1

    Now that warmer weather is here, I sometimes like to take a couple of spoonsful of instant coffee, (yeah, yeah, but try it this way - you might like it), in the bottom of a 16-oz tumbler and add about a half-inch of milk and enough sweetner for a whole glass. Microwave it until it boils (usually about 20-30 sec, so watch it closely), then take it out and swirl it to make sure all the coffee nuggets have dissolved. Put it in the freezer for 10 minutes to bring it back down to cool. Fill the tumbler the rest of the way with ice-cold milk. Enjoy.

  38. Simplicity-Beans by the foot. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "I'm way too tired in the morning to do much else or worry about the freshness of my beans. :p"

    But they were fresh the night before.

  39. Yessiree! by n6kuy · · Score: 1

    News for Nerds, Stuff that Matters!

    I prefer to grind my coffee beans very finely, and use the drip method of brewing.

    Of course, you have to choose the coffee beans too. Personally, being from New Mexico, I like light roasted pinyon blend coffee....

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  40. Roast Your Own by Sedennial · · Score: 1

    We roast our own coffee, purchasing green coffee beans for ~30%-50% less than roasted (and stale) beans purchased in a store or coffee house. Roasted beans begin losing their flavour within the first week after roasting even if kept in stainless steel or glass air tight containers (NEVER plastic or paper. The acid picks up the flavour of the paper or plastic). By the end of the second week the oils in the beans has begun to turn rancid. This accounts for the strong harsh stale flavour many people associate with coffee. Oils in ground coffee will begin to turn rancid overnight and be stale within 36 hours.

    Also, we use unbleached coffee filters in a standard drip coffee maker, with distilled water. Bleached coffee filters with treated water can both leave an aftertaste, as well as raise the level of chemicals in the brewed coffee.

    For our roaster we use a simple hot air popcorn popper. It takes me about 30 minutes once a week to roast a weeks worth of coffee.

  41. Toddy is the bomb! by Bayoudegradeable · · Score: 1

    Cold drip coffee is my favorite by far. I use CDM Coffee & Chicory or Union Coffee & Chicory. As a New Orleanian I was raised on chicory coffee. (Insert "I thought y'all were raised on Bourbon St." joke here). Cold drip chicory coffee has a very nice bitterness that is muted compared to hot brewed coffee. Hope you find the magic brew you're looking for.

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  42. MAKING COFFEE by Dugster · · Score: 1

    I recently discovered the Aeropress,a neat device from the good folks at Aerobie in Calif.Just add espresso to it with 170 degree water,stir,and 20 seconds later a simply wonderful cup of coffee is born.It makes only a single cup at a time but is very fast ,incredibly easy and at $30.00 it beats the hell out of $2000 French espresso machines.Yum!!

  43. At home, espresso from ground beans by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

    My favorite way of making coffee is to buy the fair trade organic coffee beans I bought on sale for $7 a pound and keep them in a 2 pound sealed ceramic jar. I then take a handful and put them in my Braun handheld coffee grinder (bought for $15 in Canada about 25 years ago and still working fine), swirl it and turn upside down to get a really good grind as I grind it, then tamp it lightly into the espresso cup (? that thing you put the fresh grounds in), and make a nice espresso latte - double or triple - with foamed 1 percent organic vanilla soy milk, and a shot of caramel, french vanilla, or hazelnut syrup.

    Yum!

    If it's the weekend I put it in a large soup cup and stir it with those pastry long cookies they sell in tins, or eat it with english muffins soaked in organic butter - but if it's a weekday I grab an organic apple for breakfast and eat it while I walk to work, as I also drink the latte from a Seattle International Film Festival cup I wash and reuse at day's end.

    I used to drink Twinings tea (various) when I lived in BC, or get a nice coffee and a donut (non-glazed) from Tim Horton's, but that's what I do here.

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    1. Re:At home, espresso from ground beans by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      My favorite way of making coffee is to buy the "blood coffee" slave-labor beans I bought on sale for $0.99 a pound and keep in a zip-lock plastic bag. I then take a handful and put them in my made-in-China alkaline-battery-operated coffee grinder (bought at the dollar store - I'm on like the 5th one), run it until the batteries run out to get a really good grind, then dump it into a single-cup paper filter (the tiny kind that you throw away after each use), and make a nice cup of coffee with hormone-infused heavy cream or non-dairy creamer and a big pile of sugar.

      Yum!

      If it's the weekend I put it in a large disposable styrofoam cup and stir it with those red coffee stirrers that they sell in cardboard boxes, or eat it with a doughnut fried in trans-fats - but if it's a weekday I grab a worm-free pesticide encrusted apple for breakfast and eat it while I drive my Hummer 90 miles to work, as I also drink the coffee from a styrofoam cup that I got from the local Exxon as I filled up my giant fuel tank.

      I used to drink Lipton tea when I lived in New Jersey, or get a nice coffee and McGriddles from McDonalds, but that's what I do here.

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    2. Re:At home, espresso from ground beans by MikeBabcock · · Score: 1

      I considered inventing a response of the sort myself, but yours made me laugh sufficiently. Thank-you. :-)

      One more "organic" and I was going to punch the screen ;-)

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    3. Re:At home, espresso from ground beans by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

      My favorite way of making coffee is to buy the "blood coffee" slave-labor beans I bought on sale for $0.99 a pound and keep in a zip-lock plastic bag. I then take a handful and put them in my made-in-China alkaline-battery-operated coffee grinder (bought at the dollar store - I'm on like the 5th one), run it until the batteries run out to get a really good grind, then dump it into a single-cup paper filter (the tiny kind that you throw away after each use), and make a nice cup of coffee with hormone-infused heavy cream or non-dairy creamer and a big pile of sugar.

      So, in other words, you buy it at McDonalds, right?

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    4. Re:At home, espresso from ground beans by MightyYar · · Score: 1

      That whole thing was a joke - I actually like good coffee. That said, at least in New York, McDonald's coffee is better than most these days. If you just like your coffee black or with a bit of sugar, it beats the snot out of Starbucks, which only tastes good if you load it up with cream.

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    5. Re:At home, espresso from ground beans by WillAffleckUW · · Score: 1

      You haven't lived until you've had a fresh donut and coffee from Tim Horton's.

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  44. Home-ground drip coffee opportunity cost advantage by Bondolon · · Score: 0

    I think that home-ground drip coffee makes sufficiently good coffee, as far as opportunity cost is concerned. Some of the other methods make slightly better tasting coffee, but they're also much more intensive. I use one tablespoon of coffee beans for each cup marked on my pot, and I use a burr grinder, as the grounds don't expand nearly as much as with a mill grinder, meaning that I can make more strong coffee per pot. If I make 6 pot-cups with mill-ground coffee, the grounds fill the filter almost to the point of overflowing, and that's with a #4 filter and a 10-pot drip maker. If I instead use burr-ground coffee, the grounds do not expand nearly as much, meaning that I can make a full 10 cups of strong coffee without any risk of the ground overflowing.

  45. Coffee 101 by dubious_1 · · Score: 1

    There are many sites on the interweb that go into great detail on this subject.

    Some simple guidelines:

    1. The Bean
    a. Coffee loses flavor and potency as soon as it has been roasted.
    b. It loses it fastest once ground.
    c. Find a local coffee roaster in your town who roasts what you like, and buy only as much as you will consume in a couple of weeks. There is not usually any savings for buying in bulk, so I prefer to buy half pounds to maximize the freshness.
    d. Grind right before you brew. This keeps the coffee as fresh as possible.
    e. Store the coffee in an airtight opaque container.
    f. If you must buy more than you will consume in a short period (going on a long voyage). Store it in the freezer.

    Note: Make sure that you only buy Arabica beans. Robusta beans are low grade, usually large bulk coffee vendors will mix the two, but if you are buying from a local roaster, they will probably be using either all arabica, or mostly aribica. There are some reasons to use a portion of robusta in the brew, but you can read about that elsewhere.

    2. The Roast
    a. There are several types of roast, all dealing with how long they are roasted. The lightest roasts will generally have the fruitiest flavors, but will really show the quality of the bean. Medium roasts are best for revealing the nuances of the bean, while conveying the most caffeine. Dark roasts (such as French Roast) almost completely eliminate the bean flavor, and really you will only taste the flavors of the roasting itself. I prefer the french roast at work because the bean quality is pretty low, and I find that the columbian medium roast has a bad taste. Oddly the dark roasts have slightly less caffeine than the medium roasts.

    3. The Grind.
    a. The grind depends upon the brewing method. If you are making espresso's, then you probably don't need my advise on how to grind, but for this response, espresso gets the finest grind. If using an automatic drip, you want a medium/coarse grind. This is what the typical bagged ground coffee looks like. Finally if you are using a french press ( my preference ), you want a coarse grind that won't clog the plunger's mesh.

    b. Never grind beans straight from the freezer. If you are storing them in the freezer, take out the days worth of beans before you go to bed and let them come to room temperature.
    c. If you have the space and can afford it, buy a burr grinder. It will create a more consistent grind size than the cheap $10 s-mart hand grinder. If you must use a cheap hand grinder, I recommend shaking it during the grind to keep the beans moving, and practice how long you must grind to get the size that you want. Large boulders of coffee bean don't give up their flavor readily.

    4. The Brew.
    Many scholars have gone to battle over the best brewing method. The ideal brew uses 200F water and the minimum time needed to extract all of the flavor, but none of the bad.
    a. This is the basis of the design of a modern espresso machine that pushes 200F water under pressure through the packed grounds to extract the rich caramel goodness.
    b. If you are using a french press, the recommended method is to preheat the glass before you introduce the grounds and steeping water. I pour a measure of hot water from my tea pot into the glass then pour it out; add the ground beans and fill with 200F water; cover and let steep for about 3 minutes, then plunge and enjoy.
    c. The third preferred method is the automatic drip. The main problems with most automatic drip machines are:
    1) They do not get the water hot enough for proper extraction.
    2) The

  46. mod-up by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Never heard of toddy coffee makers

  47. My method by Profane+MuthaFucka · · Score: 5, Funny

    Just get a jar of Sanka http://www.shopping.com/xDN-food_and_drinks-sanka_ coffee and make it medium weak. Then, grind up two No-Doz http://www.novartis.com/consumerhealth/OTC/NoDoz.s html and a Commit Nicotine lozenge http://www.commitlozenge.com/ and put them in the coffee. Chase it with some Tequila, and that's all you need every morning to get you ready to take on the world. The ENTIRE world.

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    1. Re:My method by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't forget to mainline a couple of crushed modafinil tabs, too. When you need to sharpen up and ready your mind for a bit of the old C++ ultra-violence.

    2. Re:My method by MikeBabcock · · Score: 1

      That reminds me of my all-nighter days with a bag of chocolate-covered espresso beans and a pot of hot water for strong tea. Tylenol with Codeine for the headaches.

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  48. I feel left out... by Evil+Cretin · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I drink tea.

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    1. Re:I feel left out... by OoberMick · · Score: 1

      Tea drinks of the world unite! I can't stand coffee, I can't even stand the smell of the stuff. So my favourite way to coffee is to put it in the bin.

    2. Re:I feel left out... by canUbeleiveIT · · Score: 1

      I can't stand coffee, I can't even stand the smell of the stuff. Heresy! You can't stand the smell? I could see not liking the taste of it, but the smell? Heresy, I say!

      For the love of God, the aroma of brewing coffee is rivaled only by the smell of bacon frying or that of some good chronic when you first put the flame to it.
    3. Re:I feel left out... by rts008 · · Score: 1

      Hear! Hear!

      You said it!

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    4. Re:I feel left out... by Doug+Neal · · Score: 1

      I like both, but usually have tea, mainly because it involves a lot less work and mess to make a decent cup of tea than for coffee.

      The water has to be at boiling point when it meets the tea though, or the tannins don't get released and it tastes completely insipid. I'm slightly obsessive about this and usually turn down tea if it's offered to me because very few people get it quite right. Annoyingly our new office kettle somehow stops boiling the instant the element turns off, instead of bubbling away for a bit longer, which is presenting me with a bit of a challenge...

    5. Re:I feel left out... by NocturnalCritter · · Score: 1

      No reason you can't drink both. I do. Never thought I was stuck on it until I found myself buying sugar cubes to put in my coffee/tea. At college. In the dorms. Yes, I'm American. My friends used to pick on me about that, but mysteriously stopped when they discovered the joy of eating straight sugar cubes.

      Since I'm in college, I don't have the money now to go out and buy a good coffee/espresso maker, so I'm not too picky about the coffee itself. What I am picky about is the process of putting in the sugar and milk. Seriously. I have a different process for whether it's coffee or tea, whether I'm using sugar cubes or not, if I'm brewing it in the mug, in the coffee maker, or in a teapot, etc.

      And don't even try to make me do it out of order, or bad things will happen.

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  49. go to Cafe du Monde by thedohman · · Score: 2, Insightful

    My favorite way to make coffee is to let them do it at Cafe du Monde in New Orleans at the French market. It's actually a coffee and chicory blend, and half milk (I suppose you can order it black). Along with an order of beignets, let them bring it, sit back, listen to the jazz, and watch the people walk by on Decatur.

    Unfortunately, I don't live near enough new Orleans to do that more than once a year.

    I prefer pressed, but settle for drip cause it's less work for me. Too much trouble to grind it myself. I've recently switched from grinding it in-store to buying the blend from Cafe du Monde over the internet. http://www.cafedumonde.com/

  50. Chemex by LunaticTippy · · Score: 5, Informative

    I like your style, but I am a bit more cautious.

    I use a Chemex coffeemaker, which is every chemistry geek's dream. It is a very simple all-glass vessel that accommodates a lab-grade folded square filter. You pour hot water through the grounds and end up with a very nice cup o' joe. It looks elegantly labware-like.

    I like it because the water never touches metal or plastic, which impart a flavor. I like it because the lab-grade filters make for a very mild flavor even with lumberjack-strength brew. People marvel at how good my coffee tastes "for how strong it is."

    I suppose if you want to be truly geeked-out you could use a vacuum pump and extraction funnel. I've done that myself to show off, but it is a lot of work to do before I've had me coffee!

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    1. Re:Chemex by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      I suppose if you want to be truly geeked-out you could use a vacuum pump and extraction funnel. I've done that myself to show off

      This story is about coffee, not masturbation techniques.

    2. Re:Chemex by revolu7ion · · Score: 0

      I put my beans in one container, i put the water in another container. I plug the coffee machine in, and press a button. Coffee comes out. I drink the coffee, and start working.

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    3. Re:Chemex by dschl · · Score: 1

      A vacuum pump would lead to the loss of even more of the volatile flavour compounds. It would probably give you worse coffee than gravity filtration.

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    4. Re:Chemex by aethera · · Score: 1

      Amen to the Chemex. I got my wife one of these for Christmas and we love it. One thing we found that makes a big difference is allowing the coffee to bloom. That's the step with the chemex where you lightly dampen the beans in the hot water before actually starting to pour water through. Over a few minutes the grounds foam and bubble, giving off carbon dioxide (I'm told). This step has a big impact on the fullness of the flavor. Another plus to the chemex is the ability to brew with just off boiling water, which is far hotter than the water in more electric drips. I've also been told that drip brewed coffee has less cholesterol than pressed or percolated coffee (which is also good, but too much mess). We also use fresh beans from a local roastery. Next step, a burr grinder. And to think, we're really tea drinkers. Coffee is just an occasional treat.

    5. Re:Chemex by macron1 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      ... that accommodates a lab-grade folded square filter filter paper? does this not impart a flavor in the same way that metal or plastic might? (p.s. i am not being facetious in case this comes across sounding so)
    6. Re:Chemex by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I grew up with a Chemex in the house and now own one myself, nothing beats it for flavor imho if brewed correctly per the instructions.

      The paper filters for it are offered in natural and white(bleached), but I don't know why they offer bleached filters, just seems crazy to me.

      http://www.chemexcoffeemaker.com/

    7. Re:Chemex by perbert · · Score: 1

      Two thumbs up for the Chemex. I've been using one for about four years and love the coffee it brews. Very smooth flavor. My second choice is a Bialetti stove-top bomb. Those are also nice, but make a much stronger brew.

    8. Re:Chemex by senatorpjt · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I think that this is more what a chemist would first think of as the most "effective" coffeemaker.

      I have made coffee with a Soxhlet, with buchner funnels, gravity filters, but my favorite is . It has a few advantages, namely that you're capturing all of the volatile oils, not carrying over the more bitter substances, and you're using freshly distilled water.

      Also, if you use a Soxhlet to make coffee, you need to run the extraction under slightly reduced pressure, so you aren't overheating the pot. However, if you just want the caffeine, this is definitely the best way to make coffee. Steam distillation tastes better.

    9. Re:Chemex by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > I like it because the water never touches metal or plastic

      Impressive! So you have a reservoir in your backyard, and hand carry your water in glass vessels!

      This strikes me as similar to audiophiles who claim that a special power cable will improve the quality of their audio systems by giving cleaner power.

    10. Re:Chemex by MojoStan · · Score: 1

      I've also been told that drip brewed coffee has less cholesterol than pressed or percolated coffee I think you brought up a very important point, but I have a nitpick. Coffee, like all plant-based foods, has no (or insignificant trace amounts of) cholesterol. However, the metal filters in presses and percolators allow more compounds to pass through (e.g. flavorful oil), some of which seemingly raise blood cholesterol in drinkers (according to some recent studies). Paper filters seem to trap whatever compounds raise blood cholesterol, but sacrifice some flavor in the process.

      Because of these health concerns, I use paper cone-shaped filters and a ceramic cone to hand-brew coffee (stir the grounds after adding water) straight into a thermal carafe. I occasionally use my french press when I score some fresh beans and want to get the "full experience." I should check out the Chemex.

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    11. Re:Chemex by Luyseyal · · Score: 1

      Aha! You speak of cafestol, the primary reason I switched back to paper filters from an old plastic one I'd been using for 5+ years. I do admit that I prefer the flavor of unfiltered coffee. However, with my genetic cholesterol profile, the risks outweigh the benefits, at least as far as regular consumption is concerned. I'm not concerned about the occasional espresso. But as a pot-a-day kinda guy (I drink swiss-process decaf), that was a *LOT* of cholesterol being dumped in my bloodstream.

      Cheers,
      -l

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    12. Re:Chemex by LunaticTippy · · Score: 1

      Yes, but you can filter several liters of coffee in a second flat. It's visually quite impressive, and tasted better to me than coffee made with a plastic autodrip unit.

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    13. Re:Chemex by LunaticTippy · · Score: 1

      That's a lot of work. Here's a better plan if simplicity is your goal:

      1. pour hot water from your tap into a cup.
      2. add a teaspoon of instant coffee.

      You should try enjoying things in life. Efficiency is not always the best solution. OTOH, if efficiency is your goal at least be good at attaining it.

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    14. Re:Chemex by LunaticTippy · · Score: 1

      OK, you're right. I meant to say hot water never touches metal or plastic.

      Try this experiment: pour a glass of cold water and a glass of hot water from your tap. Taste them when temperature equalizes. That's the taste of hot water on metal and plastic. Or just drink some water you've cranked through a clean percolator or coffeemaker. Ew!

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    15. Re:Chemex by LunaticTippy · · Score: 1

      I performed an experiment when I first got my Chemex, back in high school. I ran some distilled water through the lab's coffemaker, with a Mr. Coffee filter. I ran some through without a filter. I boiled some in a percolator for the usual amount of time. I ran some through my chemex. At high temperature, the difference was remarkable. At low temperature, most of the water was undrinkable. I could barely tell the difference with the Chemex + filter water.

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  51. Home espresso machine, then french press by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's my order...

    I have a Gaggia Coffee DeLuxe from wholelattelove.com. I use only fresh locally roasted beans, never buy more than .5 lb at a time. Grind as needed daily. You can make pretty decent espresso with a home single boiler machine. Pays for itself quickly if you are used to stopping at the local coffee shop every morning.

    If I don't have access to that I use my glass Bodum french press. Coffee is so much better steeped than dripped.

    Yes, I'm a coffee snob. And a beer snob. And a bud snob. Only the finest ;)

  52. my personal setup by jnana · · Score: 4, Informative

    My setup:

    1. Good beans (avoid pre-ground like the plague)
    2. A burr grinder
    3. A simple plastic drip filter holder with a decent filter

    In detail:

    1. Either Royal Coffee's Ethiopian Harrar (pre-roasted) or any of various Sweet Maria's green (unroasted) beans which I roast using this roaster
    2. Capresso 560.01 Infinity Burr Grinder, which is one of the cheapest burr grinders that you can find, but does the job
    3. Something like this simple 6-cup filter

    Grind the beans, boil the water then wait a few minutes for it to cool a few degrees, pour and enjoy fresh.

    1. Re:my personal setup by reubenj · · Score: 1

      http://www.coffeeco.com.au/articles/sunbeamgrinder .html is a fantastic burr grinder at a very budget price but doesn't scrimp on quality. Actually the site that I linked to does fantastic reviews by taking them apart and looking at the quality of all the components, he really knows his stuff. Burr grinder comparison http://www.coffeeco.com.au/articles/september2002. html Espresso machine comparisonhttp://www.coffeeco.com.au/articles/july 2002.html

    2. Re:my personal setup by MojoStan · · Score: 1

      3. A simple plastic drip filter holder with a decent filter Porcelain cone filter holders are available for those who think they can taste plastic in their coffee. They're not as easy to find as the plastic ones (Amazon.com doesn't have 'em), but they're reasonably priced (about $10). Here's what one looks like: http://www.kitchenkapers.com/porcelain-4-cone-filt er.html
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    3. Re:my personal setup by Dahamma · · Score: 1

      Nice!

      The thing I like about your setup is you have properly focused the "gadgets" where it should be focused - on the roast and the grind. I bet 95% of the coffee making & drinking public put all their money into the coffee maker but as you seem to know that's the least important part...

      I introduced my parents to Peet's coffee and it totally changed their thinking about what good coffee is. Last year I got them a burr grinder to replace their blade grinder and it was almost as drastic an improvement as good coffee. Interestingly they already had an expensive coffee maker that seemed to suck large amounts of coffee with mediocre results - after the burr grinder it now uses much less coffee and is fantastic.

    4. Re:my personal setup by jnana · · Score: 1

      Totally agreed. I've never actually owned any kind of a coffee making machine. My setup was modeled on what my favorite coffee shop had. They would grind 1 cup worth of coffee for you when you order, and then make 1 cup of coffee with a simple plastic filter, and the coffee was amazing.

      I was pretty surprised too when I got my first burr grinder about 10 months ago. I didn't expect it to taste that much better.

  53. Stove top Espresso maker... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Fresh ground beans (burr coffee mill - NOT a chopper) + 10 cup GB Espresso Coffee maker (or french press if gas burner isn't handy)...

    Started in Italy... never going back to vac pack drip ;-)

  54. French press... by bearinboots · · Score: 1

    there is no substitue.

    1. Re:French press... by th3rmite · · Score: 1

      I hear you on this. My method for using the french press is like this: 1) Ground Kona beans for a few seconds with an untimed coffee grinder until it looks ground, but I still hear the course chunks clinking around. 2) Heat water using a quick hand held electric waater heater until the water hits around 100 celsius (just at boiling) 3) Mix 1400 grams of coffee with 500ml of boiling water in the press. 350g/125ml ratio of coffee/water 4) Stir once with a stirring stick until the mix looks like mud. 5) Let sit for 4 minutes. 6) Press the plunger down slowly. 7) Pour whole mix into a large coffee cup. 8) Enjoy a RICH, highly caffeinated coffee. Seriously one cup of that stuff cures my coffee fix in the morning which typically takes a whole pot of the cheap stuff drip brewed or 4-6 cups of Senseo. French Press definately the way to go! -- The above coffee recipe is copyrighted and IP of Jeffrey Kirk LTD. The process has been "encrypted" into 1's, and 0's and to decrypt it or view it is in violation of the DMCA.

  55. I stayed in a Holiday Inn Express last night. by jshackney · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    A single clinker, that is, an immature bean, can ruin an entire pot of coffee, imparting a bitter, burnt flavor. They will look lighter in color, may be smaller, and will be lighter in weight than other beens (sic), and you can remove them yourself.

    Sounds like a quaker. They may also be somewhat malformed when compared to the rest of the beans (which helps when hand-sorting).

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    1. Re:I stayed in a Holiday Inn Express last night. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      A single clinker, that is, an immature bean, can ruin an entire pot of coffee, imparting a bitter, burnt flavor. They will look lighter in color, may be smaller, and will be lighter in weight than other beens (sic), and you can remove them yourself.

      Sounds like a quaker. Since when is this a religous issue? What is it about quakers and coffee?
  56. French press + fresh whole beans == only way to go by adturner · · Score: 1

    So I've been doing this for about 5 years:
    - French press
    - Cheap blade grinder (yes it's hard to get a consistent grind, but with a french press you don't need it fine)
    - electric water pot for boiling fresh filtered water
    - Peets (www.peets.com) coffee shipped monthly directly to work (whole bean). 1lb lasts about a month, give or take a few days.

    The keys to good coffee are:
    - Good, fresh beans, ground just before use
    - Fresh filtered water, boiled
    - Proper grind, which for the french press is coarser then espresso (super fine) or drip (medium-fine)

    A french is probably the best economical means of extracting the flavor from the beans. Paper filters in drip makers absorb the oils which makes the coffee bitter and drip doesn't let the water have enough time to absorb the oils anyways.

    I keep a coffee grinder and hot water boiler at my desk/break room. As I boil the water, I clean the pot from the previous day. After cleaning, I grind the beans, which is just about the time the water is boiling. Put beans in pot and pour water over them. Stir. Let steep 3 min. Push down the plunger, pour in cup, and drink right away. You may want to consider a vaccum thermos if you like drinking coffee all day, since coffee exposed to the open air will make it go bitter.

    I do this every day, even though we have a high end italian espresso maker & burr grinder in the office since the beans they use in it are crappy (Starbucks french roast in 5lb bags).

    This makes really really good coffee. You will notice that the coffee is better with a fresh bag. Honestly, the quality at the end of the bag is still way better then what I get out of the corporate drip machine (who knows how long that pot has been sitting there). If you're really that serious to care, you can either buy 1/2lb bags twice month or start roasting your own beans. Whatever you do though, use good quality fresh whole beans. I personally hate Starbucks, but I know some people have aquired a taste for burnt beans. But whatever you do, don't go to the supermarket and buy what they have on the shelf... could of been there for months.

    Also, remember to not grind the hell out of the beans... a french press takes a corser grind then drip or espresso so that the filter mesh can do it's job. If you're drinking a lot of sluge, you're grinding them too much. If you're not getting enough flavor, you're either not letting it steep long enough, not stiring or not grinding enough.

    After the initial startup costs (french press grinder and hot pot for boiling), it runs me just $20/mo including shipping for the Arabian Mocha Java. If you're willing to pick up the beans at the store yourself, you can probably shave off $4 or so. For what it's worth, I just store the beans in the bag they shipped in and keep them in my desk.

  57. Make sure to defrost the beans before grinding by AmosOtis · · Score: 1

    I store my whole beans in the freezer, and I find that it's important to defrost the beans before I ground them. For some reason beans at room temperature grounded taste better than freezer-temp beans. I'll leave it to the bio-chemists to explain why, but it definitely makes a difference.

  58. espresso in a bialetti mokka pot by SABME · · Score: 2, Insightful

    My favorite coffee comes from a can of Lavazza ground espresso made in a Bialetti mokka pot. The pot was $20, the coffee is about $5.50 a can. It takes 20 minutes to make on a stovetop, and it's nice and strong. I know it isn't as fresh as some methods, but it tastes good enough to me, plus it gives me a great buzz.

    1. Re:espresso in a bialetti mokka pot by heson · · Score: 1

      Upgrade to the Bialetti Brikka, its awsome. Actually, I think it beats a eur400+ espresso machine becuase you dont need a barista degreee to produce non foul coffee.

    2. Re:espresso in a bialetti mokka pot by julesh · · Score: 1

      Just don't use Lavazza in a filter machine or any of those other methods discussed above. It's horrible and bitter if you try to use it for anything other than Espresso.

  59. Buy Local by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    easy - buy local coffee that has the roasting date stamped on the bottom of the package, then you can be sure.

    of course, maybe i'm spoiled, but stumptown coffee is great.

  60. I hate coffee at the moment by toadlife · · Score: 0

    I decided to quit smoking a couple of days ago, and coffee is a "trigger".

    I so liked my coffee too.

    Beer too.

    Fuck.

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    1. Re:I hate coffee at the moment by bkgood · · Score: 1

      It could be worse; walking outside was my trigger.

    2. Re:I hate coffee at the moment by UncleFluffy · · Score: 1

      I decided to quit smoking a couple of days ago, and coffee is a "trigger".

      Just cleared four months smoke-free today. Stayed away from bars for the first couple of months, still don't dare get screamingly drunk yet. It's worth it though - I just got myself a Roomba and a $400 bottle of whisky out of the cash I've saved, let alone all the health stuff. Stick it out, it stops getting worse after the first week.

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    3. Re:I hate coffee at the moment by magicchex · · Score: 1

      Waking up is my trigger, so screw you guys.

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    4. Re:I hate coffee at the moment by toadlife · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the encouragement.

      Looks my my number one fan has mod points today - all of my recent posts have suddenly been modded down.

      Maybe she needs to take up smoking to relieve all that pent-up anger.

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  61. If what you want is strong coffee... by techno-vampire · · Score: 1

    Here's the way my Dad got it, back in WW II: take a coffee pot, put in your grounds, a pinch of salt and an egg. Boil it until done, with the egg to catch the grounds. When the pot's empty, put in more grounds, another pinch of salt, another egg and do it again. Repeat until there's not enough room for another pot, then dump out the grounds and start over. There's not much coffee in the last pot, but it's very strong. Tastes good, I gather, at about 2 AM when you're on a graveyard shift on a cold night. Never tried it myself, but I've always wondered.

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    1. Re:If what you want is strong coffee... by rts008 · · Score: 1

      You use only the eggshell, not the whole egg; but otherwise that is correct.

      Yes, I'm older than dirt...that's how I learned coffee was made growing up.

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  62. Don't forget the main ingredient - Water! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    I noticed a big improvement when I stopped using plain old tap water for coffee.

    If you're rich or insane, you can use a nice bottled water, but tap water that's made a trip through a Brita or similar filter seems to work just as well.

    Seemed obvious, after...

  63. Aeropress by maharvey · · Score: 1

    I used a drip coffeemaker for many years but grew dissatisfied with it. Tried lots of different beans but they seemed to have little real effect; some pots were better than others but not remotely as good as the kind of coffee you get in a good dessert restaurant. Also I had to turn the hotplate off quickly or it would give the coffee a burnt taste.

    Now I use an Aeropress and it makes excellent coffee. No bitter edge or sour acid, just smooth flavorful espresso. It is easy to adjust the strength to taste. You can also control the smoothness or "bite". Only drawback is it takes a week or two to fine-tune your technique and get a consistent result.

  64. 1 cup at a time by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The best coffee I've ever had is 1 cup brewed individually from a #2 Melitta Drip.

    You have a lot of control over strength, and if brewing for several people you can brew each person their own strength.

    you just boil water...then....grind immediately before pouring water through.

    I buy coffee from a local roaster and get it on their roasting day (the smaller shops will tell you when they get fresh deliveries. I'm lucky enough to have a place that roasts on site (most cities do..you just have to look). a small local coffee shop has a certain smell to it that can't be beat. (I live in Austin, TX and go to Anderson's)

  65. Dark roasts? Peets, of course by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you have a Peets Coffee in your area, or you don't mind having them shipped to you (http://www.peets.com/) they do the best dark roasts.

  66. My system is simplicity itself by jht · · Score: 2, Informative

    I take a K-cup of whatever variety I've been liking lately (usually the Green Mountain Sumatran Reserve), and feed it into my Keurig one-cup system. Simple, fast, pretty good, and a fraction of the price of getting fancy-ass coffee out somewhere else.

    I have been known to grind and brew from beans on occasion, but that's become rare since discovering the Keurig. I have one in my house and I bought another one for the office.

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  67. home roasted turkish by Dillenger69 · · Score: 2, Informative

    I get my beans from Sweet Maria's http://www.sweetmarias.com/
    I roast it myself with a table top roaster that does about one pot worth of beans.
    Once the beans have cooled down I grind them to a nice fine powder
    Then I put the powder and about 8 cups of water in a sauce pan
    Bring it to a boil while stirring continuously.
    Shut off as soon as a boil starts, if not slightly before it starts to boil.
    let is settle a bit

    Some people like to pour it through a filter to get the sediment out.
    I prefer it straight into the cup from here.

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  68. Re:It's the roast and storage and freshness by Max+Littlemore · · Score: 1

    It's in the roast -- the method of roasting -- as much as the variety. Freshness counts, variety counts, but it's the roast that matters the most.

    I agree that the roast is incredibly important, but other factors are just as important.

    You could get the worlds best roast, grind it finely and leave it in a paper bag on top of the fridge and after a few weeks you may as well be drinking the filter percolator crap from McDonalds.

    Freshness is as important as the roast. The oils that make a good coffee beans are volatile and grinding them and/or warm storage allows the oils to vapourise easier, that's why grinding coffee smells so good. Freshly ground coffee that has been stored in an air tight container before grinding is excellent.

    Once it's been ground, the actual method (is a "french press" a plunger???) is less important, although the grind should be adjusted to the method. Finer for espresso, courser for a plunger, extremely fine for a turkish style.

    As far as beans go, I live a long way from Jamaica, but I find East Timor produces some excellent coffee, and buying it helps the people their and their economy recover from some serious trauma.

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  69. Espresso by rossz · · Score: 1

    I have a super automatic espresso maker (Jura-Capresso Impressa E8) and load it with Blue Mountain espresso roast beans. I get a perfect 2oz shot of espresso in 30 seconds. It's smooth and rich, and not at all bitter as you would expect from that large Seattle based coffee chain.

    For regular coffee I have a Keurig single cup coffee maker. It uses "k-cups", which are a huge convenience. I still have a regular automatic drip coffee maker that I keep around in case I have company that might want regular coffee.

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  70. JackoffEE ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    only if the electrical engineer asks really, really, nicely.

  71. roast my own, then pump-driven espresso by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    i use a modified paint stripper to roast my own beans every few days. i leave them whole, grind them in a burr grinder when ready to brew and brew with a hand-me-down espresso machine that i don't quite have the hang of. i'm still learning how to get everything consistent, but it's a load of fun and i'm even enjoying drinking my brew. the roast is definitely a big, big part of the result, as well as getting the grind right.

    on a related note, i've got a friend who's in the process of designing and building a fairly impressive solar roaster for he and his brother's coffee shop. in fact, there was a brief news piece about him on cbs recently.

  72. freshly roasted by goombah99 · · Score: 1
    Recently a roaster opened nearby me. Man what a huge difference that makes. freshly ground is irrelevant compared to freshly roasted in small batches.



    at work I use ground coffee in an Aerobie coffee press. low temperature brewing in an aerobie inverted press makes the least acid coffee I've ever tasted. I have stopped adding milk since I got my aerobie.

    And for the grammar nazi's my pet peeve is that fresh as normally used should be an adverb not an adjective. it's not fresh baked bread it is freshly baked and fresh bread. it's freshly ground and fresh coffee.

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    1. Re:freshly roasted by MrNaz · · Score: 0

      Just to point out that if someone says "fresh ground coffee" the mistake does not have to be the use of an adjective where an adverb should be used. Given that people often write things the way they hear them, they could be typing the phrase "fresh, ground coffee" where the comma is used to delimit the two adjectives used to describe the coffee. Nonetheless, leaving out the comma is still a mistake.

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    2. Re:freshly roasted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And for the grammar nazi's my pet peeve is that fresh as normally used should be an adverb not an adjective.


      Mr. Pot, meet Mr. Kettle.

      You started a sentence with a conjunction. You faithfully followed the Dave Barry "an apostrophe means -- here comes an S" mistake.
      Ironically, the type-in word on this post was "mistake".
    3. Re:freshly roasted by hobo+sapiens · · Score: 1

      I'll second that bit about the local roaster. There's a little coffee shop by my house that roasts their own beans. Every Tuesday night I drive by there and smell the coffee roasting. On about Thursday I go there to get some, and that is the best coffee you can get. The things that matter are fresh beans and purified or bottled water. I'd say it's better to have a cheap coffee maker and good beans than a great coffee maker and stale, or worse yet, pre-ground coffee.

      I have never heard of an Aerobie, but I have a good quality drip coffee maker, a french press, a percolator, and a stove top espresso maker. All of them make equally good coffee; it's all about the coffee and water and not the hardware. This Aerobie thingamabob sounds interesting, though. I think I'll have to check that out.

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    4. Re:freshly roasted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have come to realize that there is nothing in this world more annoying than trying to read a thread about a subject I find interesting and finding post after post about tiny grammatical errors. None of which make them hard to understand or illegible. Could all of you quit with the nit picky crap and post if it pertains to the subject. You's perople is worst then my mother,.

    5. Re:freshly roasted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Could all of you quit with the nit picky crap and post if it pertains to the subject.
      I assume this is a rhetorical question.

      For that matter, I have to assume it is a question.

      Just in case it is not rhetorical, the answer is no.

      And in case it isn't a question, fuck you.

      In fact, forget all that.

      Stuff your burr grinder up your ass, you fucking worthless bean freak.
    6. Re:freshly roasted by 5of0 · · Score: 1

      Dangit, starting a sentence with a conjunction isn't gramatically incorrect, especially not any more. Much like the split infinitive, it's a myth that sadly continues to be perpetuated. Not that they are always okay, but it's not a hard and fast rule.

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  73. Good Coffee on the Cheap by DrLudicrous · · Score: 1
    I have finally settled on a way of making good coffee that is not outrageously expensive. First off, I found myself a good local roaster (Stauf's in Columbus/Grandview Heights, OH). I usually only buy a half a pound of whole beans at a time- that way it never gets too stale. Next, I use a blade grinder that costs 20 bucks. A lot of purists will scream in horror, but for the type of coffee maker I use (see below), this is fine- I don't really need a homogeneous distribution of particle sizes. I usually grind my beans for 15-30 seconds. The time varies depending on the beans, and the sharpness of the blade. Eventually, the blade becomes dull, in which case I toss the grinder, and buy a new one. That's only happened once so far, and 20 bucks is not a huge loss. Buying a burr grinder is 5X more expensive for a cruddy model, and 10X or more for a decent one.

    After grinding my beans, I dump them into a Melitta filter in my drip brewer (Braun KF-400), which I have already filled with an appropriate amount of filtered water (prevents mineral scaling of the coffee maker's innards). Then I turn on the switch and wait till its finished brewing. I like to have everything ready on the coffee maker so there is a minimal amount of time from finishing grinding the beans to actual brewing. The KF-400 runs about 20 bucks or so, and has no bells and whistles (except for an auto-shutoff)- but then again, why would I need an alarm if I grind my beans in a separate device every morning? Added bonus- the drip method is not particularly sensitive to particle size, and besides, I am not making espresso, so what do I care if the powder is a bit "uneven"?

    The result- good coffee on the cheap, with just a hint of aromatic oils floating on the surface. Stauf's has a lost of different varieties of coffee, so not getting a large amount of beans allows me to sample new coffees all the time. The only downside to this whole process is that it happens when first waking up- despite that, I've gotten the whole ritual down to about a 2 or 3 minute process of setting up the coffee maker, getting the beans and grinding them, and then transferring them to the filter and pushing "ON". Then I do my SS&S, and when I come out smelling like roses, my coffee is ready to drink. Voilà!

  74. Check the alt.coffee guide by dacut · · Score: 2, Informative
    The alt.coffee guide provides a great set of tips, including:

    Second, it is essential to select the proper filter for your coffee maker. It is generally acknowledged that a metal type filter is far superior to any other types available, because this type of filter will not impart any strange flavors into your coffee. These metal types are often gold colored, but silver colored ones can be found too. It is also generally acknowledged that using a paper filter yields a superior pot of coffee, because metal filters tend to let sediment pass into the coffee. Above all, it is most important to remember make sure you're actually using a filter, or else you might end up with a mug full of coffee grounds and dark colored water.
  75. There's a Whole Newsgroup for This! by Effika · · Score: 1

    Head over to alt.coffee. These guys know everything there is to know about making coffee, from the gadgets (which many of them hack for a good cup) to the beans and the soil they grow in.

    I've switched over to green tea in the morning (trying to give my stomach a break), but for coffee I still prefer a good medium roast (done by a local coffee house while I wait-- I usually get a week's worth at a time.) and a standard GE drip coffee maker. It reaches the required temperature and produces a good cup, so I don't see a need to buy anything fancier.

  76. Coffee is my religion by Dun+Malg · · Score: 1

    However, when I recently spotted a a site that vaguely extols freshness, I began to wonder how much the freshness of the beans themselves affects the quality. Normally I thought the whole beans would retain the quality far longer, due to less surface area exposed to air, but clearly there still must be a decline; worse yet, it is difficult to gauge that decline since the sellers usually do not advertise the age of the beans. You know, discussing the relative freshness of beans you didn't roast yourself is like discussing the quality of a Wal-Mart suit vs. a K-Mart suit. Neither of them are Armani, so what's the difference? You will certainly be able to tell the difference between stale beans (2 days old) and really stale beans (2 weeks old+), but in both cases, you're still drinking coffee made from stale beans. Roasted coffee beans have a short shelf life, flavor wise. Personally, I can taste the difference between truly fresh roasted beans and beans that have been allowed to sit an hour. Both are good, but the former is definitely better. I roast my own beans and never save any that are more than a day or two old.

    And ground beans? Once ground, you have about 20-40 minutes before they start going bad. I cannot fathom how people can stand to drink that canned pre-ground crap. It's a step up from freeze dried, at least.

    I would now like to pose a few questions. What is your preferred coffee-making method, and how does it compare to other methods you've tried? What are your favorite beans? Start with green, unroasted beans. Kept in a cool, dry place, green coffee has a practically unlimited shelf life. Set water to boil while roasting beans to desired darkness. Grind to desired coarseness immediately when roasting is complete. Place in coffee press immediately. Add very nearly boiling (i.e. 211degF water) to coffee press. Allow to brew for 2-8 minutes. Time varies with coarseness of grind and desired strength. I like very nearly turkish grind, brewed 4 minutes. Pour and drink immediately.

    The key word above is (obviously) immediately. Extremely fresh coffee is incomparable. It's 15 minutes from the time I pour the green beans in the roaster to the time I'm sitting down with my finished coffee. There's nothing like it. You know it's fresh when you can discern the faintest hint of carbonation due to CO2 trapped by the roasting process.

    My personal favorite coffee is a 50-50 mix of Yemen Matari Mocha and AAA Kenya, roasted just until the beans start to get shiny.

    Here is a good resource on how to be the master of your own coffee.
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    1. Re:Coffee is my religion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Roasted coffee beans need to rest for a day or two to de-gas and develop flavor.

  77. Fresh roasted and a vacuum brewer by CaptainCarrot · · Score: 1

    I buy my coffee from a local roaster which never sells beans that were roasted more than 4 days ago. They also carry a number of varieties that aren't so common anywhere else. My favorite is the Harrar, which is Ethiopian but very different from the more common Yirgacheffe. There are very distinct notes of blueberry -- when it's been given a light roast. Roasted dark there's nothing special about it.

    At home I brew using a vacuum brewer. They have the advantage that the water is always the right temperature just by the nature of the process -- and also, it's just plain nifty in a geeky kind of way. The disadvantage is that the coffee needs to have a very uniform grind. Some are more sensitive to this than others -- my Bodum Santos is moreso than most -- so the cheapo blade grinders don't work well. You need something like the KitchenAid burr grinder. But the coffee they make is very good.

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  78. A Coder's Guide to Coffee by ewhac · · Score: 1
    This was posted to Kuro5hin back in 2002, and I found it rather informative.

    A Coder's Guide to Coffee

    Original Kuro5hin article, with subsequent commentary.

    Schwab

  79. 2 things.. by greywire · · Score: 1

    Lots of good comments here.

    For me, two most important things:

    Freshness, the most important. This cannot be understated. A friend of mine has a small home coffee roaster. I thought I'd had good coffee before, but after tasting freshly roasted, I could never go back. You won't believe the difference between freshly roasted and something from a can.

    A good point to be made is that coffee really shouldnt be very bitter. Case in point, the first thing I noticed when drinking fresh roasted coffee was how little sugar it needed. If you have to drown out the bitter taste with lots of sugar, you can't taste the coffee anymore! That's why Starbucks sucks.. it just tastes like burnt coffee (because it is).

    The other thing is a good brew method.

    Personaly, I have a Krups pump espresso machine that makes the best damned coffee I've ever had. I only paid $50 for it on ebay since I couldnt find it anywhere else. They have a newer model that looks like mine, but seems to cost more and is hard to find: http://www.krups.com/All+Products/Espresso+Machine s/Pump+espresso+machines/Products/Vivo+F880/Vivo+F 880.htm

    Its cheap, its not real fast, great for making one or two cups at a time, but it works well for the price and its not big. Stay away from all the steam espresso machines, get only a pump one.

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  80. French press, Ethiopian Yrgacheffe by Jonah+Bomber · · Score: 1

    A French press is by far the best way to brew coffee (unless, of course, you have a real espresso machine). The best coffee I've tasted is Green Mountain Coffee's Fair Trade Ethiopian Yrgacheffe. Always keep your beans in the freezer and grind them right before brewing.

  81. Re:Aeropress + hand grinder by cjp · · Score: 1

    Second this! I picked up a hand grinder off ebay, and with that, my Aeropress and a milk frother (of the hand plunger type) make a cup of coffee that my barista friend said was the equal of any she'd ever tasted.

  82. Coffee Fool by truckaxle · · Score: 1

    I ordered "fresh" coffee from the Coffee Fool and it was absolutely horrid. Never do that again. Anybody have a different experience?

    I prefer plain ole Starbucks Italian Roast (pre-ground). I use a espresso maker and make an Americano - one cup at a time.

    I have learned that cleanliness of the coffee maker is essential to that sweet cup of joe.....

  83. My Experience... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm currently a barista at a place called Winan's (By the way, as a college student, free caffeine rules ;) ...It's a small franchise based out of the Mid-West (Ohio, USA) of the country and we specialize in fine chocolates and coffees....Yadda yadda yadda. I've had my good share of quality beans (all arabica of course) and we usually get the beans green, roast them at our place in Piqua, Ohio and receive them within a few days of being roasted. I'd say typically we sell or brew the beans within 2 weeks of bean roasting. Granted, sometimes shorter than that, but also sometimes longer. A less popular bean might take around 1 month. Regardless, I think that the fresher they are, the better. Beans do lose quality (IMHO and in regards to total body and taste,experience...) over time. Also, a lot of the larger companies over-roast beans purposely. First, it's burned so you can't really taste when the bean is indeed stale. It gives the beans longer shelf lives for those companies. Another thing that's bad about over-roasting, is that it further removes some caffeine. I also think that many people who want to be coffee snobs, think that the darker a roast is, the better it must be. That's a totally false concept. The body of the coffee, has nothing to do with how "dark" a coffee tastes. The body is how it effects the pallet. Finally, for a true coffee lover and if it's just you who is wanting a great cup of Joe, a French Press is really a step up. Brewed drip coffee is still great though.

    Oh yeah, I am one those coffee snobs. But I don't mean to be, I swear!

  84. emacs by AlgorithMan · · Score: 1

    emacs
    are there other ways?

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  85. Brikka!!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm shocked no one has mentioned Bialetti's Brikka yet. They're stove-top espresso makers. They're like a moka, but with a pressure valve, so that the steam has time to get really hot, and pull more oil from the beans. Really great, I own the 2 cup version. Also check out their online fan club.

    1. Re:Brikka!!!! by megastructure · · Score: 1

      This is my absolute favorite way to make coffee. It combines ease with a great, great taste. I love it.

      I would also like a word about grinding: Owning a really good grinder and keeping it grinding properly is unfeasible in a home environment. Blade grinders are totally out, and burr grinders must be kept in good condition (and adjusted, etc.). The result is that it's probably better to get your coffee ground at a professional coffee house, and use those grinds.

      But now we run into the freshness problem. Not to worry, just pick up a vacuum container (for example: http://www.all4coffee.com/0vacuum.htm) for your coffee. Just give it a few pumps and the evil oxygen that ruins your coffee grinds is out of there. It really works, and I have fresh coffee for about a week.

      Thanks for the heads up on the Brikka fansite, I'll be checking that out soon.

  86. Coffeebags! by mac1235 · · Score: 1

    Like teabags, but with coffee. Better than instant, and almost as convenient. With my unsophisticated palate further refinements are wasted on me. I like my coffee, like I like my women, ground up and stored in the refrige--- wait a second, some thing's wrong there...

    1. Re:Coffeebags! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I like my coffee, like I like my women, ground up and stored in the refrige--- wait a second, some thing's wrong there...

      Oooohhhh. I thought you were going to say cheap, black, strong, and fast.

  87. Single Origin Roasters by fabianc2k · · Score: 1

    My preferred method is to go down to Single Origin Roasters and have them do it for me. Anyone else in Surry Hills in Sydney agree?

  88. Illy shop around the corner from the office by amcdiarmid · · Score: 1

    Though it hurts the wallet like to dickens (ducks and hides)

    My wife will accept Lavatzza espresso grind cooked in a Mokka though she would rather have Illy. Both Lavatzza (Espresso) & Illy (almost any)do a good job of pulling bad beans out of the grind.

  89. French press by St.+Arbirix · · Score: 1

    Every morning I pull coffee out of my fridge, grind it, dump it in my insulated French press, and pour in boiling water.

    It sits for a few minutes and then I plunge it and head off to work with my morning coffee.

    Excellent coffee.

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    1. Re:French press by EllF · · Score: 1

      You really don't want to be putting beans in the fridge - they will be substantially better off in a dark, air-tight container at room temperatue. See here: http://whatscookingamerica.net/Q-A/CoffeeStoring.h tm

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  90. My Favourite Method by multipartmixed · · Score: 1

    Drive up to the microphone thingy, and tell the coffee maker "Large triple triple, please!".

    Then she's all like "That'll be a dollar thirty-nine, please advance to the window!".

    And that's how I get my coffee. Mmmmmm-M!

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  91. How do I prefer my coffee? by JaySSSS · · Score: 1

    Still sitting on the shelf while I drink a nice cold DC. I prefer my caffeine cold!

  92. Three way tie. Two of them. by jpellino · · Score: 1

    In order of preference, french press, Chemex, turkish pot.
    Decaf Sumatra, Bourbon Santos, Starbucks' summer "gazebo" blend.
    For mass quantities, strong chock-full-of-nuts in a Capresso Armoa Classic.
    Always fresh ground. With experience you can tell when beans start to "go".
    Don't put them in the freezer - the defrost cycle sucks air out of the fridge and also from the bag of beans (thanks to those equalization valves).

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  93. Easy... by pookemon · · Score: 1

    1. "Can I have a cappaccino please."
    2. Pay for it.
    3. ???
    4. Drink it.

    But that's pretty rare, I drink Tea or Hot Chocolate (Milo) 99% of the time.

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  94. Roast Your Own Beans by GeekTek · · Score: 1

    Really. The best way to enjoy the true taste of coffee is to roast your own. Check out http://www.coffeeproject.com/ - they used to have a starter kit for about a hundred bucks. Even if they don't offer it any more, buy a cheap roaster and some green beans. It's worth *every* penny. You'll NEVER go to Charbucks again.

  95. AeroPress at work, espresso machine at home by steveha · · Score: 1

    At home, I have a good espresso machine, and I use that. Starbucks sold this machine years ago; it was so good they now put their own name on it and they still sell it. Mine says "Estro Vapore" on it, but the new ones say "Starbucks Barista". Highly rated on coffeegeek.com.

    Note that other models of espresso machine have come and go, but this one has been selling for at least a decade now.

    http://coffeegeek.com/reviews/consumer/starbucks_b arista

    At work, I use the AeroPress. It was invented by the same guy who invented the Aerobie flying disc toy. The Aerobie web site has various flying toys... and one coffee maker. US$30 suggested retail, quick and easy to use and clean up.

    http://www.aerobie.com/Products/aeropress.htm

    Here is the review that convinced me to buy one.

    http://www.dansdata.com/aeropress.htm

    I bought mine from a mail-order company on Whidbey Island (in Washington state) called Locals Only Coffee. They offer a deal where you can get an extra pack of filters for only $2 when you buy the press.

    http://www.localsonlycoffee.com/Aerobie-AeroPress- TM-p/aer01.htm

    REI also sells this now.

    http://www.rei.com/product/745004

    The coffee beans I use are from Caffe Appassionato. I use their house brand, "Appassionato Blend", ground fine. Even though I live in the area and could theoretically get the beans from a local grocery store, we just order the beans direct from the company by mail.

    When you get the beans mail order, they come in a sealed foil pack, and I believe they replace the air inside the foil pack with nitrogen to keep the beans fresher.

    I have an espresso grinder with a "doser"; so at home, I can grind just enough beans each day that I am always brewing from fresh-ground beans.

    For coffee at work, I grind every few days and keep the ground coffee in a tightly sealed jar.

    steveha

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  96. Lever machines! by ebunga · · Score: 1

    First off, the fresher the better. Coffee is chock-full of volatile oils that give it that wonderful aroma and flavor. Unfortunately they breakdown over time, say, after a couple weeks. Extremely dark roasts kill most of those oils during roasting, leaving wonderful bean-shaped lumps of charcoal, although it does prolong the useful, but not as tasty, shelf life of the beans. I prefer to buy from roasters that ship same day.

    I prefer using a manual lever-operated espresso machine. My main machine is a la Pavoni Europiccola. I bought mine used off eBay a while back. As they're fairly simple devices, they last forever. Replace the gaskets every few years, replace the heating element at longer intervals, and it's as good as new. My grinder is the cheap and trusty Rancilio Rocky. I use a nice Reg Barber tamper, and standard brown demitasse cups. I prefer drinking coffee the consistency of melted butter. It's easy to achieve with this combination.

    I can't stress this enough. KEEP YOUR EQUIPMENT CLEAN. As mentioned earlier, coffee oils go rancid. When mixed with heat and water, that gunk clings to metal and plastic like nobody's business and will make even the best coffee taste worse than the worst coffee on a clean machine.

  97. You can make it yourself? by ROMRIX · · Score: 1

    I just drop a buck fity on the counter at the Quicky Mart and some guy with an accent slides a cup to me with a smile and a "Tank you vedy vedy much!" Is that cool or what!

  98. I'd drink coffee at your place by joe_n_bloe · · Score: 1

    That's an excellent setup. :) Gadgets are not required.

    1. Re:I'd drink coffee at your place by jnana · · Score: 1

      Thanks. I agree. Good beans that are freshly ground already puts up you above anything like starbucks or non-gourmet coffee houses. Add in a burr grinder (some day I'd like a non-electric one), and that's already in a whole different category.

  99. That's Why God Invented Starbucks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My preferred method of making coffee is handing my AMEX card to the barista at Starbucks.

  100. Iced by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I prefer my coffee iced, if you have time to make it in advance. Booze optional, but suggested.

    http://shockley.net/capnjack.asp

  101. Bestest coffee by Werrismys · · Score: 1

    My dream coffee: I rub the beans I stole from now-dead pirates in Salma Hayeks cleavage. Then add saliva and drink the results.

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  102. naked by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    naked

  103. Honestly? by nosredna · · Score: 1

    Most mornings, I walk into work, pour up the last of what's left from the night before, and toss it in the microwave for a minute. Then I check what the grounds in the basket look like... if they've only been used once, I'll add half a pot's worth to it and let the coffee maker do its job. If it's more than once, I'll dump those and start fresh.

    It's all about the caffeine... to hell with everything else. I'd drink sewage if it were properly caffeinated.

  104. You can't make good coffee at home by caffeine_high · · Score: 0

    If you are into good coffee just go to a decent cafe and buy one. In my experience, you can not get a good coffee from a coffee chain. It takes a passionate local roaster and a barista who grinds for every cup and lives for coffee. A good sign is that most people just order a shot of espresso.

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    1. Re:You can't make good coffee at home by geekforhire · · Score: 1

      Rubbish. You can make sublime coffee at home with good water, good fresh beans, and a good method of brewing. Its not rocket science, you just need to watch the details, like anything else you would make in the kitchen....

    2. Re:You can't make good coffee at home by caffeine_high · · Score: 1

      I have not found a home coffee machine yet that can provide the correct pressure and temperature for the whole shot. Getting fresh roasted beans every few days can also be a hassle. You really need at least a semi professional grinder to get the consistent sized grains required for an even extraction and even professional machines need adjusting during the shift to cover for humidity and temperature changes.

      I suppose with the right gear, the coffee roasted in the last week, ground in the last hour and 2 or 3 shots to calibrate the grinder you could make an espresso at home that matches a cafe. I prefer to just pay the $2 at a good cafe. :-)

      The reason I get way to much into this is that my wife was a barista at an award winning cafe and I know how much work they put into getting the perfect shot. The sort of dedication that sadly most customers do not appreciate because they order a milk based coffee and put sugar in it!

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  105. favorite way? by yoprst · · Score: 1

    Have an apron-only clad french maid make it for me.
    /ducks

  106. Coffee.....? by IHC+Navistar · · Score: 1

    I just shovel whatever coffee I can find into my mouth and then chew and suck on it like a wad of tobacco. No need for a mug and no need to spit.

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  107. Overrated? Kona? by Upaut · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Have you really had Kona coffee, not just the 10% crap that many sell these days? Kona has a microclimate that is just right, coupled with perfect mineral composition, leading to what I think of as "perfect" beans. Just as different weather and soil can lead to "perfect" wine making grapes. I do admit, it is what you do with the beans next that leads to the magic...

    And while a cast-iron pan is a wonder for cooking damn near everything, you cannot evenly roast with it. Hell, I have two home brew coffee roasters at home. One butane, one hot air. Both makes a wide range of wonderful roasts, with noticable differences with both meathods. And I care not only about location, but size. I prize Kona because its "perfect" bean is the smallest I have ever encountered, enabling a better medium roast without undercooking, or a perfect french without burning. I have found small beans all over the world, each making a fine cuppa', but it is Kona that still makes my heart sing.

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    1. Re:Overrated? Kona? by spun · · Score: 1

      I lived in Hawaii for two years and drank 100% Kona all the time. Bleah, boring. There's no accounting for taste, is there?

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    2. Re:Overrated? Kona? by julesh · · Score: 1

      I prize Kona because its "perfect" bean is the smallest I have ever encountered, enabling a better medium roast without undercooking, or a perfect french without burning. I have found small beans all over the world, each making a fine cuppa', but it is Kona that still makes my heart sing.

      I've never tried Kona, but back when I used to roast for myself I found Kenyan Peaberry to be good for similar reasons.

    3. Re:Overrated? Kona? by jqpublic13 · · Score: 1

      When I worked at a specialty coffee shop during high school, I found that the bean from the Tanzanian Peaberry was the smallest and most consistently sized; it reminded me of barley in size and appearance. If I recall, it was a mild coffee with a low to medium acidity, when roasted. I agree with the parent post, however, that Kona is a wonderful bean when roasted properly.

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  108. Senseo...oooh ohhh oooooohhhh by ScaredOfTheMan · · Score: 1

    At home nothing beats my Senseo...just add a little Douwe Egberts (from Belgium no less; I like the Dark roast) and let the coffee goodness flow.

    1. Re:Senseo...oooh ohhh oooooohhhh by 742Evergreen · · Score: 1

      Douwe Egberts is from The Netherlands, actually. They co-invented Senseo together with Philips, another Dutch company. Reference: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senseo

    2. Re:Senseo...oooh ohhh oooooohhhh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Philips also invented (in coop with others) the CD-ROM and music cassette. Veeeeeery OT, hence AC. :o)

  109. Very informative by ScrewMaster · · Score: 1

    I must say, as a software engineer, this is one of the most useful and informative Slashdot threads I've ever encountered. Definitely belongs in YRO, though ... my right to a good cup of coffee is not to be infringed.

    For my part, I have a Bunn VPR-series restaurant coffeemaker. I bought this machine about ten years ago (got sick of replacing coffeemakers every six months) and it a. makes great coffee and b. is built like a tank. Stainless steel all the way though, no plastic anywhere in the coffee path. Came with a complete maintenance and repair manual ... not something you get with your average Mr. Coffee.

    I remember calling up a local restaurant supply house one afternoon to order it. I was going to just pick it up on a will-call, but they said that delivery was free since I was nearby. To my surprise, the president of the company showed up on at my back door the next day. He said he didn't know of any restaurants in the area and wanted to know who was buying a big Bunn! Real nice guy, brought over some of his company's best coffee to try it out with. The first attempt resulted in a nice pot of cold coffee, since it drew so much current it tripped a circuit breaker. I ended up putting in a separate branch circuit for it. In any event, he left me with several cans of their custom blend, and a three-year supply of filters! Well, I guess it wouldn't have been a three-year supply for a restaurant but that's how long the case lasted me.

    I'm still using it to this very day. You do have to use it regularly though. The Bunn design has a low-powered fifty-watt heater that keeps the reservoir near brew temperature, and if you don't make a pot it will run dry after a week or so. That would probably be bad for the element. When you pour in cold water to brew some coffee, a 20A heater switches on ... that's what popped my breaker the first time.

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  110. Insensitive Clod by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have never had coffee in my life you Insensitive Clod !!!!!

  111. Mmmm Coffee... Freshly roasted beans are a MUST! by Nezer · · Score: 1

    First, start with quality beans. I prefer buying green beans from http://www.sweetmarias.com/ and roasting them myself. I use a medium-sized (14-16") stainless steel bowl with a wire mesh colander inserted inside and a $20 heat gun from the local hardware store to roast (stirring constantly with a wooden spoon that's nearly worn to the nub). It takes about 15 minutes to roast a 1/2 pound batch. I prefer beans from northern Guatemala or the neraby Oaxaca region of Mexico but this is a personal preference. This is, by far, the most important thing you can do for your coffee drinking experience. There's nothing as exquisite as a cup of joe made with freshly ground beans you roasted yourself. The beans are ready to brew about 12 hours after the roast and maintain good quality for a week.

    The next thing is a good burr grinder. Burr grinders, unlike the whirly blades, make for a very even grind. A good burr grinder will allow you great flexibility in setting the grind size. I use a manual burr grinder I bought from eBay for under $20 shipped. I have been tempted to attach an electric screwdriver in place of the handle but haven't done so as of yet.

    Once the beans are roasted and ground, I use a device called an Aeropress to actually brew and strain the coffee. It looks sort of like an upside-down french press but brews a totally different cup than a french press (which I also use on occasion). I don't use the paper filters that came with the Aeropress opting instead for a reusable nylon filter material commonly used to filter fish tank water. I can't recall for the life of me what size filter I use but I bought two sheets and cut out a filter. I bought enough material to make about 20 filters but I've found that these things clean-up well and I'm still using the first one I cut. I brew with 200 degree water for 2 minutes and dilute with left-over hot water. The Aeropress makes the best cup of coffee I've ever had outside of a machine known as the Clover (which, makes THE BEST cup of coffee you'll EVER have). While the Clover is very difficult to find and costs many thousands of dollars, the Aeropress costs like $25. I thought the price was a bit steep for a big plastic syringe but once I made a cup with it, I realized it was worth every penny. Just ignore the crap on the box that says it's an espresso maker... It makes an incredible cup of coffee but it is NOT an espresso maker by ANY stretch of the imagination.

    The best thing you can do is ensure you have the freshest quality beans possible. If you start with Folgers or similar, the rest really doesn't matter.

    I also use a french press on occasion and, every now and then, a small 4-cup Krups drip machine with a swiss gold #2 cone filter.

    The trick with drip machines is to make sure the water temperature is at least 195 degrees and no more than 205 degrees before it starts brewing. I achieve this with the Krups by leaving the lid open with a small plastic cup from a hotel room with a slit cut down the side to place over the brew head to make sure the heated water is recycled back into the reservoir until the target temperature is reached. I started out with a thermocouple inserted into the tank but quickly learned that the machine started sputtering water a certain way when it got up to 200 degrees. It's more work than a high-end drip machine but it isn't that hard and the machine cost me something like $15 at Bed Bath and Beyond after their 20% off coupon. If the Krups broke tomorrow I'd easily buy another of the same model. Using it as it was designed makes a mediocre cup at best, but with my method I'd put it up against a $200 temperature-controlled machine any day of the week.

    But all of this is for naught unless you start with FRESH QUALITY beans. If you don't want to or can't roast yourself (it really is easy though a bit messy) find a local shop that moves a LOT of coffee and buy from them. You're better off with a freshly roasted bean that might score an 85 over a bean that scores 98 but was roasted 3 months ago.

    One of these days I plan on buying a decent espresso machine but a quality machine costs $250 at the low-end and the prices go up rapidly from there.

  112. Extensive experimentation. by chrysrobyn · · Score: 1

    Each person has his or her own personal styles. Experiment. Get variety packs. Freshness matters for some people -- roast within a year of picking, grind within 2 weeks of roasting, brew within 2 hours of grinding. Personally, I don't follow those at all -- I care, but not that much. Without getting into superiority contests, some people just don't care -- my mother prefers instant Folgers to anything I drink.

    I prefer Green Mountain Coffee to anything else I've consumed. I've had everything my grocery stores in three states and two countries will sell me. Lately, I've preferred lighter roasting over darker roasts, with my recent favorite flavor being Green Mountain's Ethiopian organic.

    I don't like the metal or plastic flavors that many coffee makers instill, so I've been enjoying a Chemex coffee maker since 2001. Simple, gravity drip. There's some science behind it that may as well be snake oil, but I really like it.

    I went to a "coffee class" when I was living in Japan. The instructor swore the best way to make coffee was to drip it. You had to pour just a little bit into the ground beans, to get it to bloom. Then you could pour in slowly as long as the grounds were floating. You don't let it fill up, you certainly don't let the water get to the edge of the filter, just a slow but constant flow. Before all the water finishes dripping, you remove it from your drink. If done properly, you can see a dry ring of unused grounds around the edge of the filter. Otherwise, all the bitterness is released and flows to the coffee. I think he was crazy and he couldn't pass a double blind test.

    My last coffee preference -- if you're in Japan and get coffee in a can from a vending machine, Boss makes the... least bad.

  113. Editorial integrity? by uofitorn · · Score: 1

    Did anyone notice that this submission is a thinly veiled attempt at an advertisement for the site that supposedly 'extols' the benefit of fresh coffee?

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  114. Coffee preferences are a cultural thing by Stochastism · · Score: 1

    The replies here show that many prefer a drip system, which I think reveals that most Slashdotters are in the US. I think people *learn* to like coffee the way it is made where they live. Personally, I find the concept of a drip system awful. No matter how fresh the beans or how recently ground, if you have coffee that has been in contact with water for more than about 30 seconds, you get some pretty bitter products leeching out. Then the brewed coffee can sit on the warmer for half a day or more! I think the US (and to some extent German) palates have developed a taste for this bitterness. In fact, even the espresso's or cappuccino's I've had in the US seem extremely bitter and almost undrinkable to me, which I think indicates a national preference for this taste. On the other hand, the French/Italian preference of ripping out espressos in just a few seconds produces a very smooth coffee, with a good creme, that has less of the caffeine leached out, thus they can drink many of them. Then there's UK coffee, which still seems to mostly come in freeze-dried kilo sized tins ;) (great tea though!) So, is coffee preference about taste, convenience, or nationality?

  115. New World Italian Style by gobbo · · Score: 5, Informative

    OK, this is the half-italian style, like my heritage. Get a Mokka pot, also known as a stovetop espresso pot (it isn't really espresso, more pressure percolated). The Italians in the know use the aluminum ones, the taste is better, the steel ones cost more. I use steel because I'm aluminum-shy. A 4-cup model does me two cups. Buy vacuum packed whole beans, one pound bags. Make sure they're fair-trade and shade grown, so you cup doesn't have the bitter flavour of exploitation or deforestation (hey, those birds migrate through my forest in the summer). A medium roast has more complexity, but a dark roast has that espresso flavour kick. Not too dark--or you'll get that Starbucks charred flavour with hints of unlovely burlap. Fill the pot to the level of the safety valve, no more. Grind the beans fine but not to dust. Use them immediately. Don't pack a Moka pot down firmly the way you would an espresso maker. The trick with a Moka pot is to never ever let it boil dry, take it off when it starts making the spitting sound. Best to use a medium-high setting on the stove, not maximum. When you're done, rinse the pot out right away, don't let it sit, and don't use soap. The slight residue from the oils sticks to aluminum better, thus the flavour improvement. If you're going for a cappucino or latte, you can heat milk in a small pot and use a small battery powered whisk to get a foam that's even better than steamed milk. That's it, ciao!

    1. Re:New World Italian Style by abundance · · Score: 1

      Very competent overview on the italian moka style. =) If you're interested in it here's a spot on tutorial with pro tips and some "classy" touches: http://www.caffeina.org/caffe/inglese/casamadre.ht m some hilights: - avoid pressing the powder with the spoon at all. just fill the filter a make a dome in the middle http://www.caffeina.org/caffe/inglese/08.htm http://www.caffeina.org/caffe/inglese/09.htm - the stove goes at the minimum setting http://www.caffeina.org/caffe/inglese/11.htm - stir the coffee in the pot before pouring http://www.caffeina.org/caffe/inglese/13.htm - prewarm the cups http://www.caffeina.org/caffe/inglese/05.htm - if you like sugar in the coffee, just make the delicious "cremina"! It's very simple, it takes just a minute but the outcome is surprising, you'll get a smooth cream on top of your coffe cup like the best cafeteria espresso ;) http://www.caffeina.org/caffe/inglese/17.htm enjoy =)

    2. Re:New World Italian Style by tumbaumba · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Get a Mokka pot, also known as a stovetop espresso pot (it isn't really espresso, more pressure percolated).

      I second that. Moka pot does not make espresso though. It is something else, really an espresso like only much better and often stronger then espresso. Myself, I grind my coffee beens not as fine as for espresso making and tap it a bit with a spoon. The main trick is really to use very low flame and take it off as soon as it is done. It may take a while to make but result is well worth it, especially at the morning. I have electric stove which is hard to control. Instead I use this backpacking stove. Try the moka pot. Experiment with different beens, coarseness of the grinding, packing, etc. It is much better than any stuff from Peets or Starbucks.

    3. Re:New World Italian Style by spoonyfork · · Score: 1

      +1 All hail the Bialetti Moka Express!

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    4. Re:New World Italian Style by MikeBabcock · · Score: 1

      A great example of a pretty flash site that's utterly useless as a website (sure, its a nice brochure, but do you want to tell me how to bookmark the actual Moka Express page to send to my mother?)

      I hate all-Flash web designers ... ugh.

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    5. Re:New World Italian Style by spoonyfork · · Score: 1

      My apologies, I should have linked to their shop. Here's a deep link direct URL to the Bialetti Moka Express. I love this thing!

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  116. How to make the perfect cup of coffee... by nixkuroi · · Score: 1

    Step 1: Put on my shoes.
    Step 2: Walk downstairs to Starbucks.
    Step 3: Order coffee and pay with my employee id card.

    It doesn't get any better than that.

    1. Re:How to make the perfect cup of coffee... by swordgeek · · Score: 1

      If *$ is the best you have near you, then you have my sympathy.

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  117. Home roasted, French Press by REparsed · · Score: 1

    I get green coffee beans from Sweet Maria's and roast my own once a week. I brew it one cup at a time in a french press.

    1. Re:Home roasted, French Press by symbolic · · Score: 1

      How do you roast? A roaster? A popcorn popper? Stove-top?

  118. What about the water? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Roasting and brewing certainly have a large effect on the flavor (and texture) of coffee, but no-one has yet mentioned the water they use. Too much chlorine ruins a good cup, while flat, filtered water without minerals (especially a little salt!) can turn the coffee insipid. Good tasting tap water works, but even better is good tasting spring water. See this article on Emperor Qianlong and tea water.

    1. Re:what about the water? by Bonobo_Unknown · · Score: 1

      indeed, you definitely need water.

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    2. Re:what about the water? by brundlfly · · Score: 1

      http://ask.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=234981&thr eshold=1&commentsort=1&mode=thread&cid=19156257 I'm w/ you. I've had plenty of nice beans ruined by craptastic water. All the sublime and marginal brewing methods become mute. Grind to powder, use filtered water in any old uncontaminated brewer and you have a nice cup. Not the uberest, but not cost prohibitive for those of us that won't be going to Italy this year and just want a decent cup...

    3. Re:what about the water? by Creepy+Crawler · · Score: 1

      I work at a newly opened Sbux. We had a water quality control guy there for testing of our city water, and while I was talking to him, he explained that some municipalities have too clean of water.

      He explained that brewing coffee or tea requires a bit of ions in the water for a better brew, as the coffee can attach to ions and disperse through the drink.

      After actually comparing city unfiltered h2o and their filtered h20, the "filtering" is definitely adding large amounts of ions.. At least thats where the salt for the softener goes. I can easily taste super-clean water, and I love that over these designers spring waters.

      However, I go back to slightly softened water for french press brewing.

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  119. Rancilio - fun for geeks by plierhead · · Score: 1

    True that! If you're used to spending your hard-earned bucks on lightweight plastic technology thats worth nothing in three years time, go and buy a Rancilio Silvia. They are full of heavy brass for heat retention and built like the proverbial brick shithouse. I've hammered mine for years, even replaced the seals quite a few times, and I would say it makes as good coffee as any large machine in a cafe.

    They do seem to have some quirky Italian-ness about them, including fairly incomprehensible instructions (and mine's got a couple of screws missing from the factory!) but thats part of the weird attraction really - like owning a ferarri or something I would imagine. There's even a hacker community - you can find web sites of people hacking them to install solid state temperature controllers.

    The only downside is that it uses the same boiler for heating water and for steaming milk, so you can't them both simultaneously. No big deal for one or two cups but any more and you are standing there for quite a while.

    IMO the most essential part of the whole deal is a good burr grinder - which you then need to set to just the right degree of grind. Thats easy, just make 10 or so cups of coffee until you get the coffee pouring through at just the right rate.

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  120. I'm not sure Freshness is a factor. by Allnighterking · · Score: 2, Funny

    Noting that the most expensive coffee in the world is an Indonesian Blend that passes through the digestive track of a local monkey. I'd hardly call these beans "fresh".

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    1. Re:I'm not sure Freshness is a factor. by gnarvaez · · Score: 1

      And there are a lot of people that think Paris Hilton is "hot." I don't care how much one pays for poopochino, it is still gross. Most other high end coffee is worth the price, see www.cupofexcellence.org/ for trully amazing coffees. ($27 for a pound of La Esperanza might sound like a lot, but you can brew about 30 cups... so it is still cheaper than SBUX grog).

    2. Re:I'm not sure Freshness is a factor. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      best coffee is mixing coffee with chicory ..for more info visit http://www.indiacoffee.org/default.htm

  121. Aeropress! by Mach5 · · Score: 2, Informative

    AEROPRESS FTW! For all you hackers, this is the coffee gadget for you. I experimented for a good 2 weeks before I settled on a perfect brew, changing around the amount of grounds, the temperature of the water, the amount of water, the amount of stirring and steeping, the length of the press. And, to boot, you get the best coffee you've ever had, hands down. The way it brews cuts down on the bitter aftertaste, so you get nothing but coffee flavor. Of course, if you like that taste, you just brew it with hotter water. This is starting to sound like a shill, but honestly, I can't live without it.

    My recipe:
    2 scoops freshly ground coffee (currently I have some Hawaiian beans, and some Tasmanian Peaberry, yum!)
    175degF water to the top of the 2
    10 second stir
    nice firm 20 second press
    dilute 1:1 with water for a nice americano
    little milk, little sugar, and thats what I have every morning. Delicious!

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  122. THANKS EVERYONE! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    Wow! So much experience here! So much information. When I get it all compiled into a short book tonight, and get it to the publisher, just email me, and I will be happy to send you a copy of my new best seller, "Making The Perfect Cup" - Oh, and if anyone wants credit in the book, for your comments and great experiences, just let me know.

    =)

    Regards to all,
    (name withheld)

  123. Espresso... invest time and money and love the art by chrisgagne · · Score: 1

    In May of '03, I received a Rancillio Silvia espresso machine and Rancillo Rocky grinder as a college graduation gift.

    Since then, I've brewed a double shot every morning, and I eventually got good at it. It's an art, just like any other hobby, and I really love it. :)

    I now drink the free trade / organic Ethiopian Yirgacheffe from Supreme Bean. I also drink their organic Dulce Terra Espresso and Espresso Norte, a lighter roast. If you're in Los Angeles, check 'em out... they roast the best beans in town. :)

  124. First off, it should be free. by Bright+Apollo · · Score: 1

    Second off, it should be hot, and third off, it should be black, no sugar.

    I can understand, but not relate, to the cult of coffee to this extent. I've had awful coffee, and gotten used to it, purely out of necessity (having to work overnights and go to school during the day), so perhaps my standards are much lower than average.

    Still, I know good coffee from bad, and this is what an admittedly dogged-palate person does:

    one can Lavazza Espresso or Medaglio D'Oro or El Pico (espressos only)
    one drip coffee maker, Krupps, permanent filter, carafe (so once brewed, no add'l heat)
    filtered water

    I drink it with no sugar, no milk, nothing. If it can't stand on its own, it isn't worth drinking. Anything else is dessert.

    -BA

  125. Quick 'n' easy! by BagOCrap · · Score: 1
    1. Eat a tablespoon of instant coffee.
    2. Sip on hot water.


    If there's no water nearby, I simply skip step 2.
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  126. Try Peete's express delivery... by o2binbuzios · · Score: 1

    I have ordered Peet's Major Dickason's Blend ( my personal favorite) on line and tried ordering it via express shipment for an extra $10 or so. The vacuum sealed bag came with a date stamp less than 48 hours old and the coffee was noticeably tastier than a similar package purchased at the grocery store. This is a pretty easy experiment you can try at home. I have started to feel that any of the drip coffee's I try at home don't hold up to a good vacuum press espresso machine...but can't quite bring myself to justify $2K or more for big lump of chrome in my kitchen.

  127. Home Roasted Beans, Burr Grinder, AeroPress by Pensacola+Tiger · · Score: 1
    The Coffee Fool has good, fresh coffee, but it is high priced and to get the benefit of fresh coffee you have to order every week (roasted coffee loses much of its flavor by the time a week has passed).

    I roast green beans in a FreshRoast+8 every two or three days to get the maximum freshness. It takes about 15 minutes to roast enough for 10-12 cups, or about 2-3 days worth for me. SweetMaria's has the best green beans that I've found so far. As far as a favorite bean, I lean toward the Yemen Mokha, but this is really up to your personal taste.

    Grind the beans in a good burr grinder, if you can, but a cheap blade grinder will work if you are using a drip maker. The exception to this is if you are going to make espresso, where the grind is of critical importance. If you are grinding for espresso, beprepared to spend from $200 to $450 for a decent grinder. CoffeeGeek has some great reviews of the different grinders.

    Press pots are good, but you have to really like gritty coffee, as the screen is not fine enough to filter the coffee 'dust' in all ground coffee. An improvement on the press pot is the Aerobie AeroPress, in which the coffee is forced through a paper filter.

    By far, the most important part of good coffee is a good, well-roasted, extremely fresh bean.

  128. Whoa there on the Kona.... by Fallen+Kell · · Score: 1

    While I will admit that the "kona blend" or other such kona mixes are not anything special, true, fresh 100% pure kona is very, VERY hard to beat. The stuff you see in the stores in the USA or anywhere for that matter are not fresh. It spent a month on a boat getting to where it is, and in many cases more then a month on the boat. The good stuff needs to be bought direct in Hawaii. How do I know this? Because my work regulary sends people to Hawaii and usually we have them bring back a few pounds of the good stuff direct. Freshness matters with coffee. Even more so with kona in my opinion. It loses a lot of flavor when it is old.

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    1. Re:Whoa there on the Kona.... by Anonymous+Psychopath · · Score: 1

      There are many relatively small farms in Hawaii that will sell to you direct, and I've had some great coffee this way. Most of them will ship it any way you like it, unroasted, roasted whole bean or, for the truly lazy "good enuf" crown, roasted medium grind.

      I made two changes that resulted in much, much better coffee:

      1. Switched from the blade-type grinder to a decent burr grinder. The blades give you a grind where half is too fine and the other half is too coarse. Burr grinders cost a lot more but will give you a very consistent grind. This made a big difference to me in flavor.

      2. I got a decent drip machine. The one I had before wasn't getting the water hot enough and the coffee I got from it was too weak. The new one wasn't all that expensive but produced much better coffee with a smaller amount of grounds.

      Anyway, it's all subjective. I know people that worship Starbucks because that's how coffee should taste to them. I know others that think Starbucks burns everything they roast.

      And yes, American coffee generally tastes like crap when compared to what you can get just about anywhere in western Europe. Except the UK, where they could learn a thing or two from Circle K.

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    2. Re:Whoa there on the Kona.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bullshit. I've had the fresh roasted on the farm in Kona, and I've had the whatever they serve with breakfast in Kenya. Every cup of coffee I had in Kenya was better then the fancy Kona. The Arabs also make good coffee, though different. The brits, however, could learn something from 7-11.

    3. Re:Whoa there on the Kona.... by spun · · Score: 2, Informative

      I lived in Hawaii for two years. I drank pure Kona often, hoping that I was just missing something, that the next cup would be great. It never was. Kona is a coffee with no outstanding flavor notes, medium body, and medium acidity. But fresh cofee, even boring Kona, is going to be good.

      The only reason Kona is special is that it is the only coffee grown in the US.

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  129. Try Ethiopean Harrar by raddan · · Score: 1

    Ethiopian Harrar is definitely my favorite bean so far. Harrar is a "dry process" coffee. I don't know why wet processed coffee has such a different flavor-- suffice it to say, Harrar has an extraordinarily full flavor and really intense, earthy aroma. My brother belongs to a local coffee roasting club, and we trade off each month's allotment, since it would just be too much coffee for the one of us alone. Harrar is by far my favorite.

    I keep my beans in the freezer, in airtight packaging (although not the nitrogen-flushed foil packaging I keep my hops in; yes, I grow my own hops; and yes, I am crazy). I assume that the flavor components of coffee beans break down much like lupulin's assorted flavor components do in hops; that is, faster in the presence of warmth and oxygen. I keep thinking that maybe there's a book out there like this, that would explain the breakdown rates, ideal temperatures for brewing, brewing chemistry and so on, only for coffee. There probaby is, but I'm too lazy to look for it.

    I have never felt the need to plunk down the change for a burr grinder (I've already spent way too much on grinders for barley, to fuel the other hobby that relaxes me after all the coffee), but I've been able to get a consistent grind with a spice mill and some careful shaking and pulsing of the grinder. Of course, I might simply not know what I'm missing.

    In my opinion, the most intense flavor (for a regular cup of coffee) can be had with French press or something similar, assuming you don't mind coffee grinds in your cup. But I'm relatively happy with my electric percolator. I found that the Mr. Coffee automatic drip that I used before this produced somewhat uninteresting coffee. The difference is probably the temperature of the water-- a percolator tends to boil the coffee a bit more, and thus add some acidity. Fortunately, I tend to stick to lower-acid, darker roasts. But the acidity probably accounts for the "interestingness" of the flavor. My brother keeps telling me that the coffee should also taste more tannic with a perc (which you would mostly taste as bitterness), but I don't detect it. He's right, of course-- as a homebrewer I've learned (the hard way) that tannins are more soluble in boiling water than in cooler water, but perhaps there aren't enough tannins in the coffee beans I buy to make a difference. Or maybe I just can't taste them.

    Anyway, I have a modest setup, but it is of course, all about the beans. Yes, fresh beans do make a difference. If you don't believe me, find a place that roasts its own coffee (or roast it yourself), and give it a try. Some people don't seem to care either way, and of course, your own brewing tastes are highly subjective. My girlfriend's parents are completely happy with Maxwell House, despite me having introduced them to some of my favorite fresh beans. YMMV.

    1. Re:Try Ethiopean Harrar by swordgeek · · Score: 1

      You're so close to significantly better coffee here. Let me offer a few suggestions.

      1) Don't keep coffee in the freezer. It's been a huge bone of contention in the coffee community for decades now, but the condensation generally stales the coffee faster in the freezer than the warmer air does on the counter. (This is especially true with darker roasts, as they get more oil on the surface.)

      2) Get a burr grinder. For french press you can probably get away with a cheap one, although I'd recommend splurging on the Solis Maestro Plus, which could also server as an entry into espresso if you're interested.

      Getting a burr grinder will definitely make a difference--reducing the amount of 'fines' in the cup will eliminate a muddy, dull flavour that masks the bean. Definitely worthwhile.

      As for percolating, it's not a matter of temperature extracting more tannins (or other), but actually of excessive heat breaking down the flavenoids. Once coffee hits boiling temperature, it starts to rot faster than you can imagine.

      (Speaking as a retired chemist, coffee nut, and occasional homebrewer.)

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    2. Re:Try Ethiopean Harrar by raddan · · Score: 1

      Thanks for the post. I will look into your suggestions.

  130. like in the mess hall? by dltaylor · · Score: 1

    This "coffee" that you're discussing: it that anything like the brown/black stuff in the big pots in the mess hall? Can't say that I really care for that stuff. ;-)

  131. Simple Brew by mike3k · · Score: 1

    I love the Mr. Coffee Simple Brew. It's a single cup pressure brew machine that works like the pod machines except it uses regular ground coffee instead of pods, although it can optionally use pods.

  132. Best topic ever? by acvh · · Score: 1

    I love my coffee. Roast my own, as apparently many others here do. Yay us.

    My favorite is Aged Sumatran. Three years old, kept in controlled humidity during that time. The age produces an extremely low acidity, and a mustiness (almost composty) that I love. Only problem is my wife hates it. We just went through some Mexican Chiapas which was very chocolately and rich.

    The roast is important, I prefer lighter roasts. More of the varietal flavor remains, and it has a higher caffeine content. Heat, you know.

    Espresso is my first choice of brew. One cup at a time, and I can experiment with blends efficiently. French Press is second - the body of a french press is ideal.

  133. My Coffee like my Camels -- unfiltered. by cherub_daemon · · Score: 1

    Filtered drip coffee has fewer of the good oils that are in unfiltered coffee, and much less of the really fine particulate matter. The difference between the two is like the difference between heroin and a poppy seed muffin.

    That said, your grinder probably matters more than your beans, up to a certain threshold of freshness. As has been said before, burr grinders do a better job than whirling blades. This isn't just a "bean heating" issue, though, especially if you brew in a Moka. The more even grind from a good burr grinder allows the pressure under the grounds to build up better, without weak spots for the steam to escape through before it's really ready.

  134. My Old Favourite by CastrTroy · · Score: 1

    Although I do enjoy a coffee made with fresh ground beans, in a French press, black, no sugar, no cream, I have found something else that I like. Mix instant coffee with milk, Mix with Hand blender for a couple minutes. Makes a great cold coffee drink at a fraction of the cost of what they'd charge you for something similar at Starbucks or Tim Hortons.

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  135. hot coffee? by drDugan · · Score: 1

    three words: "Craigslist Casual Encounters"

  136. You ask the wrong question. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Assuming quality, freshly roasted beans, the grinder matters far more than the method of brewing. You must throw away your cheap blade grinder and get a quality (50USD or so) burr mill grinder. Burr mill grinders ensure a consistent particle size, whereas blade grinders have extremely varied grind.

    If you want to really get into coffee, coffeegeek.com is the place.

  137. From the horses mouth by markov_chain · · Score: 1

    I'm not affiliated with them at all, not even as a customer. I ran into that site when it came up as a Google ad; so I guess their Google ad dollars paid off in a way. However- their pitch was very vague, without details of flavor decomposition like some folks posted above, without distinction between pre-ground and whole beans, and yet their product seemed way overpriced. (I currently buy from coffeebeandirect.com, which seem reasonably priced and quick). Therefore, that was a dig at their site, not praise.

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  138. Pods by pvera · · Score: 1

    I have a long and illustrious history of caffeine addiction. It did not help that both my family and my godfather's family owned coffee plantations (I was born and raised in Puerto Rico). I was drinking coffee by the time I was 6.

    I think the worst was the $7/day Starbucks habit during my dot com years. Company went down, I had to find a job elsewhere and instead of having a Starbucks across the street, I found myself in the one lousy spot in Arlington, VA where you actually have to walk a 1/4 mile to find a Starbucks. Right around that time I found out I was lactose intolerant, which completely ruined the cappuccino magic for me, lactase be damned.

    I started buying drip coffee from places closer to the office, but I was never happy. None of these people mastered the concept of consistency.

    Right around that time pod coffee started becoming popular. I asked the wife to get me a machine so I could take a shot at it. I had already found non dairy liquid creamers that I really liked, so I was out of cappuccino withdrawal.

    When we got the machine I experimented a lot. I stupidly assumed that the most expensive pods would taste better. Wrong.

    The more I paid for a pack of pods, the worse it tasted. They either tasted burned out, or the extra flavoring was too strong while the coffee part was weak. Then I decided to try in the opposite direction: check the cheaper stuff.

    Lucky me, I found Senseo Douwe Egberts Dark Roast pods (Amazon B0001ES9FI). Taking into account that I would not be wasting coffee like when I was using drip makers, the price per dosage was in the order of 25 cents a cup instead of $2 or worse. Small problem: finding them.

    My wife works at Target, so whenever that specific kind of pod arrives, she tries to buy me as much as she can. If I am almost out of pods and there are none at the local Target we have to check all over county. When I found them at Amazon the price was literally identical, plus shipping was free. Now I buy my monthly supply in one shot.

    Now, there's nothing spectacular about these pods. They taste strong but not burned. The machine makes sure that each cup is very consistent, which is all I want. On top of that, there's nothing to clean, just discard the used pod and rinse the holder with some cold water. There is also no waste like with drip machines, since you brew up to two cups at a time and that's it.

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  139. La Minita by console0 · · Score: 1

    At the office we use Costa Rican La Minita (50% full city / 50% french roast) in the espresso machine. I use 100% full city at home for the drip machine.

    If you are looking for a new drip machine, get one that has a thermos carafe and doesn't have a hot plate. If you let coffee sit in the machine on a hot plate you might as well not bother with a second cup.

  140. The best way to make coffee by entropyjr · · Score: 1

    boil water in a pot, turn off heat, wait 5 seconds to obtain optimal temp(86 degrees celsius), add ground coffee, stir. then filter. I like my coffee the way they drinkit in Brazil(I lived there 3 years) nice and stong with nothing but a little sugar. This way gets the most out of the grounds. I recomend Pilao coffee if you can find it, its a great brazilian brand.

  141. Jamaica Blue Mountain by jamrock · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Jamaican Blue Mountain ranks right up there with Kona as the most overrated coffee on the market today. It has a weak body, insipid flavor, and a medium acidity that does not stand out in any way. It is equivalent to any private reserve Columbian.

    Excellent and informative post about roasting coffee, but I absolutely disagree with you about the taste of Blue Mountain coffee. Where did you have Blue Mountain coffee, and how was it prepared? Was it a blend of seconds from different plantations, as is typically the case with the crap that's usually exported under the Blue Mountain cachet? "Blue Mountain" only refers to coffee grown in designated regions of the Blue Mountains, between 3,000 and 5,500 feet, and YMMV. I'm sure that you wouldn't be surprised to discover that some absolute rubbish beans qualify for the Blue Mountain name.

    For some reason, about 95% of the Blue Mountain coffee crop winds up in Japan, and my brother was taken aback on a trip to Tokyo to find chilled cans of the stuff available from vending machines. Japanese buyers pay top dollar for the entire crops from select plantations sight unseen, and the second rate stuff, usually from the plethora of rural folk with some plants growing behind their houses, finds its way to the rest of the world at ridiculous prices. I should add that the interior of Jamaica is very hilly, and many, many homeowners will casually keep a couple coffee plants in their yards in the same way that many North Americans or Europeans will keep a kitchen garden, and expecting them to produce top-class beans is like expecting Mrs. Smith down the block to produce export-quality squash. But hey, they live in the designated growing areas, so they're technically growers of Blue Mountain Coffee(TM). I actually have a few plants in my yard and the coffee is pretty damned good, but since I live at about 2,000 feet above sea level and nowhere the Blue Mountains, it qualifies as "Jamaica High Mountain". Compared to the top quality beans, what is typically available in North America or Europe is an embarrassment to the Blue Mountain name, and I sincerely hope that your experience with Blue Mountain wasn't tainted by an encounter with this second-rate battery acid. I've had Kona, and Colombian, and they don't compare to top-class Blue Mountain.

    I drink Blue Mountain coffee every morning, one of the perks [sorry!] of living in Jamaica (my user name is how locals fondly refer to our blessed, cursed homeland, "Jamrock" or "The Rock"). I am fortunate enough to be able to get the green beans of Blue Mountain coffee and I roast them exactly as stated in your excellent post, and grind them myself. I like a robust coffee, so I prefer a fine-ground dark roast, and I despise drip makers, because the water doesn't get hot enough. My favorite preparation method is the Moka Express, a much-battered example of which resides permanently on my stove. Best coffee maker EVAR. Blue Mountain generally has a mild flavor (certainly not "weak" or "insipid"), but it's anything but mild how I prepare it.

    That being said, the very best coffee I've ever had wasn't Blue Mountain. It came from the farm of a friend of mine who lives about 20 miles away and 1,000 feet higher up than I do. He used to keep a couple acres of coffee for his personal use, and once in a blue moon he'd generously bestow a few pounds of green beans on each of his friends. Much to my horror, he eventually got sick of locals stripping his plants at night, and decided it was better for his blood pressure to cut them down and remove the temptation, rather than camp out with his shotgun and get himself into serious trouble.

    It's always been somewhat interesting to me that the soil and climate of the hilly interior of Jamaica are so conducive to top quality specialty crops. The coffee of course, but Jamaican ginger also enjoys a global reputation for it's strong, sharp flavor. And not to mention the Indica variety of ganja, which has an unusual minty scent and highly aromatic smoke. Or so I've been told....

    1. Re:Jamaica Blue Mountain by spun · · Score: 2

      You know, you touch on an important point: it is the particular plantation that really makes the bean. I've had coffee ostensibly from the same area, both fresh roasted and brewed right. One cup tastes blah, the next tastes like brown liquid heaven. It depends on the plantation. Willoughby's, were my GF worked, had tasters that would go to the coffee shows and would only buy the best from each region. Honestly, I've only had as good a cup as Willoughby's produced on a very few occasions, and I'm pretty sure it was because of their purchasers.

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    2. Re:Jamaica Blue Mountain by griffjon · · Score: 1

      The Japanese invested heavily in the Jamaican coffee industry, and now enjoy the fruits (beans?) of their investment.

      JBM sold in stores is often pretty craptastic, especially if it's old, mixed-estate, or prepared poorly. When I lived in Jamaica (in Gordon Town near Kingston), I often just bought the High Mountain - half the time, it was the same beans being sold to the roasters anyhow.

      I found the Old Tavern Estate coffees at Devon House's Rum Roast and Royals, and that's all I've drunk since. Single-estate, aged green beans, and friendly people.

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    3. Re:Jamaica Blue Mountain by Hektor_Troy · · Score: 1

      the next tastes like brown liquid heaven
      I don't care what you really meant, but speaking as someone who saw tubgirl by accident, you're not enticing me in any way with a prase like "brown liquid" followed by "heaven". You keep that crap to yourself, ya hear?
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    4. Re:Jamaica Blue Mountain by spun · · Score: 1

      Oh GODS. I had completely blocked tubgirl out of my mind, you bastard!

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    5. Re:Jamaica Blue Mountain by rossz · · Score: 1

      I recently discovered Jablum Jamaican Blue Mountain espresso roast. It's so rich and smooth and NOT bitter I don't think I'll ever be able to drink a straight espresso made from anything else.

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    6. Re:Jamaica Blue Mountain by jamrock · · Score: 1

      Glad you like it; lack of bitterness is a hallmark of Jamaica Blue Mountain coffee, but as with anything, it pretty much comes down to a matter of personal taste. I have friends here in Jamaica who don't like it because it's too smooth. And I agree with you, Blue Mountain coffee makes excellent espresso; regular brew tends to be too mild for my tastes. If you get the opportunity, you should sample Jamaica High Mountain coffees as well. They don't have the reputation of the Blue Mountain, but there are some excellent brews available at a fraction of the cost of Blue Mountain. The other classification is Jamaica Supreme, otherwise called Jamaica Low Mountain, which refers to coffee grown below 1,500 feet, and again, don't believe that it's down-market stuff because it lacks the Blue Mountain name. As I said in my original post, the vast majority of the prime Blue Mountain beans go to Japan, and the rest, much of which is marginally better than rat droppings, finds its way to the North American and European markets. I'm personally embarrassed that much of it commands the prices it does, merely because it can legitimately claim to be Blue Mountain coffee. Here's the Wikipedia page on the classifications, by the way. I was surprised to find it.

    7. Re:Jamaica Blue Mountain by rossz · · Score: 1

      I came home to discover the three pounds I ordered had arrived. Nothing like getting a heavy package shipped directly from Jamaica to gain unwanted attention. LOL

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  142. First up of Coffee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The first cup of coffe does not have to taste good.

    I only has to WORK.

    tph

  143. On Point: Coffee Buzz by Roxton · · Score: 1

    On Point had a fun little radio show about coffee recently.
    http://www.onpointradio.org/shows/2007/04/20070413 _b_main.asp

  144. Rancilo Rocky + Rancilio Silvia = NIRVANA by Fastball · · Score: 1

    Invest in a good burr grinder and espresso machine. A good pair to start with are Rancilio's Rocky grinder and Silvia espresso machine. For espresso beans, I like a lighter roast. A full city roast. A favorite of mine is Coffee Emergency's Code Brown. Plenty of crema and highly versatile espresso. Light enough to swig standalone or dilute in an Americano yet sharp enough to cut through milk in a latte or au lait. For a regular cup of joe, try any of their African origins namely the Yemen Mohkas or Ethiopians. *goes to pull a shot*

  145. Dethroner's writeup by talleyrand · · Score: 1

    Great blog btw---Dethroner. At any rate, they did a week where they talked about coffee and all the associated bits of coffee (grinds, roasting, brewing) and I was tempted to take up drinking it after having been so well educated on the subject.

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  146. Re:Home Roasted Beans, Burr Grinder, AeroPress by funwithBSD · · Score: 1

    Dust is a result of a poor quality grinder. I get no dust with my Simonelli grinder.

    For home brewing my favorite is a french press or making an Americano. At work I use a drip with gold filter for ease of cleaning and a vacuum pot to keep it warm.

    For beans I like Bean Central. Nitrogen packed beans at less than most places, free shipping on $50 orders.

    The Malabar Gold is amazing for Espresso and the Ethiopian Yrgacheffe is devine for drip. Both for less than $10 a pound.

    At work the guys gave me a mug that says "Jimmy" (a vendor mug they stuck a sticker on!) on it for my coffee brewing skills.

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  147. add some cloves and cinnamon by vistic · · Score: 1

    I grind up a 50/50 mix of dark roast and light roast... and mix in some ground cinnamon and cloves... and let it drip. Tastes really good.

  148. Coffee Geeks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Most mornings: Cafe Americano
            Grind beans roast day-or-two earlier
            Espresso Americano made in one minute
    Noon: Vietnamese Cafe Sua Da (Iced coffee with Sweetened Condensed Milk)
            We use a shot of espresso and one heaping tablespoon of sweetened condensed milk
            stir and fill with ice.
    Night: Never. Our cut off time for coffee is 1:30pm, if we want to sleep that night.

    EQUIPMENT and Micro-Review:

    Kitchen Aid (Gaggia OEM) Pump Espresso maker $700 (comes with 2 year replacement at warranty, and their cost for shipping). No Problems works well for the home.
          Works nicely for over 9 months so far
    Gaggia MDF Grinder - $250
          Keeps working - low maintenance
    I-Roast-2 Coffee Roaster - $168
          Excellent Job! takes a few roast to get right - bad user interface
    Green beans (not-roasted) from coffebeandirect.com:
          6-Bean Espresso Blend - Just order another 50 pounds ($4.15/Pound)
          This is an excellent blend for an espresso americano.

    We have a timer on the Espresso Maker. It is warmed up by the time we get up, and shuts off after lunch.

  149. My favorite way... by Rick+Richardson · · Score: 1

    1) Hills Bros Columbian ($5 for 2 pounds)
    2) Two To Go drip by Cuisanart ($10 shipped from FatWallet)

    Coffee is top notch!!!!!!

  150. Ethiopian Harrar by TooManyMirrors · · Score: 1
    I've been a serious coffee drinker for 14 years and I worked for Starbucks for 2 years, and if you can find Ethiopian Harrar
    • properly roasted
    there is not a better coffee, freshly ground and French pressed of course. My latest find is at Trader Joes, theirs is roasted dark enough unlike a lot of what I've found.
  151. Re:New World Italian Style - now with line breaks! by abundance · · Score: 3, Informative

    [sorry I always forget to check the post preview :P]

    Very competent overview on the italian moka style. =)

    If you're interested in it here's a spot on tutorial with pro tips and some "classy" touches:
    http://www.caffeina.org/caffe/inglese/casamadre.ht m


    some hilights:

    - avoid pressing the powder with the spoon at all. just fill the filter a make a dome in the middle
    http://www.caffeina.org/caffe/inglese/08.htm
    http://www.caffeina.org/caffe/inglese/09.htm

    - the stove goes at the minimum setting
    http://www.caffeina.org/caffe/inglese/11.htm

    - stir the coffee in the pot before pouring
    http://www.caffeina.org/caffe/inglese/13.htm

    - prewarm the cups
    http://www.caffeina.org/caffe/inglese/05.htm

    - if you like sugar in the coffee, just make the delicious "cremina"! It's very simple, it takes just a minute but the outcome is surprising, you'll get a smooth cream on top of your coffe cup like the best cafeteria espresso ;)
    http://www.caffeina.org/caffe/inglese/17.htm

    Buona degustazione =)

  152. freshly roasted, individual cups by simeonbeta2 · · Score: 1

    My 2 cents -

    I've been roasting my own coffee for about a year now. Sweet Maria's sells a variety of excellent single sourced green coffee beans in the vicinity of $6/lb by the time you add in shipping. This works out to about the same as consumer grade roasted whole bean coffee (I like Peets) when you figure you lose about 15% of the mass in the roasting process.

    I still haven't purchased a roasting machine. I use a Look brand skillet - heavy alumininum clad base for even high temps and a clear lid. I used to use a thermometer to measure the internal temp - now I pretty much know what setting my stove should be on to preheat the pan and just throw the beans in and shake vigorously for 5 minutes or so, then toss in a colander for a minute to cool and de-chaff. I definitely can appreciate the level of coffee I'm getting even with a crude roasting process - drinking fresh stuff is no comparison to month old pre-ground starbucks from somebody's freezer...

    The other thing I insist on is brewing just enough. I have a Swiss Gold (~$10) single cup drip filter and now an Aeropress ($25 on amazon.com). Both methods make excellent coffee in small batches - I make up to 4 cups with the Aeropress and put it in my Nissan thermos. This is almost infinitely superior to most office coffee that is made in a cheap drip pot and left to cook for hours! This (to my taste buds and stomach) always leaves an acidic feel to the coffee, even if originally it was pretty good.

    The kind of cool thing about coffee (for geeks) is that it's very susceptible to tinkering. Use a pour through drip filter or a chemex and you can precisely monitor the water temp. Roast yourself and learn to tell by smell and color what degree of roast you're getting (and follow instructions on Sweet Maria's site to use an old popcorn popper as your roaster). All this is fun, doesn't cost ridiculous amounts of money, and results in discernibly better coffee (I always get lots of compliments on mine at least...)

  153. Definitely Whole Beans, but also pre-warmed water by Rhett's+Dad · · Score: 1

    I started on whole bean Starbuck's, but now I've found I like the Arbor Day whole bean coffee better. I had previously been grinding about a week's worth of beans into an old coffee can (how's that for almost-pun) and keeping it in the freezer. I recently got a pot with a brew-time grinder. I don't think the difference in grind-to-brew time has made any discernible difference to me (since I kept the week's grounds frozen), but it is more convenient to just drop the beans into the filter cup and go.

    I will point out, however, that the biggest taste difference I've noticed recently is due to my switch from a Bunn (keeps water warm in its own tank, ready for brewing) to his grinding drip pot. I can actually taste some small amount of scorching of the water in this new pot, and once discovered, it's now hard to ignore when I drink coffee from others' pots that are also drip.

    So, my recommendation for best coffee taste is whole bean Arbor Day coffee, ground just before you brew, in a pot that keeps its own hot water ready. That way you get the freshest coffee taste without being offset by heated-too-quick water.

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  154. espresso is the one true creed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Gaggia Factory 8 Cup -- manual espresso machine-- I use Whole Foods Organic French Roast usually-- sometimes when I buy the beans they are still warm from the roaster-- which I grind as needed with a burr grinder.

    Coffee tastes so much better after all that struggle.

  155. additives = complexity by drewzhrodague · · Score: 1

    When you add things to your coffee, you're adding a layer of complexity. It is much simpler to just pour the fluid in your mug, and walk away. Why have to bother with two seperate additives, and *then* have to stir it with something. Besides, that chalk-dust stuff at the office makes it all lumpy, yecch.

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  156. Yummy without the fuss by Whuffo · · Score: 1
    Here's what I've settled on for my morning coffee fix: grind it fresh; I buy small batches of a Mocha / Java blend so I can use it up before it gets old. I use a burr grinder (Solis); those "whirlybird" things are useless if you want good coffee. If you have one of these, use it as a spice grinder and go get a burr grinder for your coffee. It'll make a huge difference in taste.

    For everyday coffee, I use a Bunn coffee maker. It works very well for a drip machine; perfect brewing temperature and it makes a full pot in 3 minutes flat. Avoid those misbegotten coffee makers that use the heat of the warming plate to perk water through the grounds - they run too hot and really can't make good coffee. There's also some specialty coffee making devices that make a better pot of coffee, but I'd rather not deal with a French press first thing in the morning. Another key to good coffee is the water; if your tap water is pure and sweet then use it. Otherwise, bottled or filtered water are good to use.

    I also have a pump espresso machine which gets used for special occasions or fancy drinks.

    For those who are reading along and don't understand why the fancy machinery and procedures are necessary - you've probably never had good coffee. If you think the coffee that your local big chain coffee shop sells is good, you are in for a treat when you get the real thing. That coffee company figured out years ago that if you buy mediocre beans and roast them until they smoke you can get a uniform product. If all you've known is ground coffee in cans then this chain coffee is an improvement - but after you've tasted good coffee you'll realize that the stuff at that coffee shop tastes burnt. And once you're "spoiled" you'll discover that that canned ground coffee tastes just like a burning tire smells.

    One other tip: good coffee comes from Arabica beans. Robusta beans taste lousy. Grocery store canned coffee comes from Robusta beans.

  157. Home roasted. by Tsarnon · · Score: 1

    I found that nothing beats roasting the coffee yourself. Not only do you learn what combination of beans / roasting level you like best, but it is actually cheaper. Check out Sweet Marias (http://www.sweetmarias.com/) if you want to get started. It is really easy.

  158. front page news? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    slashdot must really have nothing better to post... this doesn't even belong on this site, nevermind the front page.

    for the record, coffee sucks.

  159. Learn to spell COLOMBIA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    This is a discussion about high quality coffee and a lot of the incredibly well informed people cannot seem to know the difference between the District of Columbia and the country of Colombia. Those coffee beans? They aren't made in the Senate! They are made in South America.

    So its Colombian Coffee folks. I don't call your country Amerika.

    1. Re:Learn to spell COLOMBIA by dgatwood · · Score: 1

      It can, however, be roasted in the Senate... hot air and all that....

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  160. Better than fair trade by caffeine_monkey · · Score: 1

    My normal routine is French press for coffee in the morning, and a shot from my Bialetti Brikka when I need a boost in the afternoon.

    I get organic beans from Just Coffee, which is a cooperative in Mexico. It costs the same as coffee I'd buy locally ($8/lb plus shipping), except all of the profits go directly to the farmers, because they're vertically integrated: they grow, roast, and sell the beans themselves. This is even better for the farmers than fair trade which, last time I checked, still only pays the farmers on the order of $1.50 or so a pound.

  161. Americano... by Assassin+bug · · Score: 1

    Grind up some fresh Ugandan coffee beans into espresso-grade grounds. Add ~2 tablespoons of espresso-grade grounds into espresso maker. 4-cups worth of water into water chamber. Brew straight into medium size coffee mug. Coffee and mug will be extremely hot. I keep the espresso machine (it's a small, four-cup tank) and coffee mill on my file cabinet in the office. Works for me. Cheers!

  162. Clover brewer with an IP connection by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hit up a coffee shop that has the Clover brewer, preferably one with the Web interface:
    http://cloverequipment.com/whyclover/features_bene fits.aspx

    More nuanced than a French press, with all the automation of an espresso machine, and the chance to use new, fresh beans with every cup.

  163. Missing options by rossdee · · Score: 1

    I don't drink coffee, I drink Mello Yello/Mt Dew/Vault
    You insensitive clod

  164. Fresh - or as you like it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    French press, vacuum pump, euro (simmered). It's really a matter of personal taste. I know what I like, but there's no need to turn your nose up at other people's coffees with the usual "oh, that's the wrong way to drink it". Same with Tea - preparation techniques have evolved over 2000 years, so when somebody tells me I'm not drinking mine the "traditional" way I generally point out that the very early methods of tea preparation included things like onions and salt (yum - no thanks) :(

    I buy beans from a local roaster. They're either single estate and have the roasting date stamped on them or a blend. Find a local roaster and try them out. The best way to test their coffee making ability (on a vacuum machine) is to ask for a ristretto and a piccollo latte of the same coffee, so you can try it with and without milk. For a cheap but strong brew up maybe try a Vev Viggano stove top espresso - although they do tend to burn the coffee easily. If you're going to use beans then get a burr grinder if possible. The Gaggia ones are a resonable buy, but a mini Mazzer is the best.

    If you're going to buy a vacuum pump machine then I recommend you think about the economics - they generally never break even unless you buy a cheap one.
    Machines I like are:
    IsoMac (Milan)
    LaMarzocco (Firenze)
    Olympia Cremina (Swiss?)

    Almost entirely metal - not many electronics, they're all hand made in Europe, great track records
    But they're all about $1500-6000. At 2 coffees a day they will take 5 years to reach a cost:good benefit ratio of 1:1, so maybe it's a smarter option if you're outfitting an office that buys >10 coffees a day. The cheaper machines may seem like a better deal because they pay off faster - but keep in mind that a lot of them *won't last that long*. A Saeco or Gaggia has a lot of plastic parts and electronics - and probably a thermoblock boiler (what's up with that? it's in the feature list like it a good thing?) How long is the warranty? 1 year? 6 months? (2 x 3.00 x 365 = >2000) so it takes... less than 6 months I guess.

    Last tip then, before you buy, get the model name and number and ring an independent service centre - tell them your ***** machine needs a service and ask how much it will cost (probably won't get a lot of change from $300) Just so you know what you're in for when it does break.

  165. I hope youn never try Kopi Luwak coffee! by Molon+Lave · · Score: 1, Informative

    Kopi Luwak is coffee made by palm civets (furry little Indosian mammals) by eating the coffee berries and pooping out the undigested beans. The beans are collected by the locals and then sold after being washed. This coffee can sell for up to $600/lb, according to wikipedia. Personally I can do without this stuff, no matter how good it is supposed to taste. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kopi_Luwak

    1. Re:I hope youn never try Kopi Luwak coffee! by MicklePickle · · Score: 1

      I really don't see what the fuss is about. I've tried several mugs of this coffee and both have been.... well OK.... but I wouldn't buy it again. It's as weak as piss, (pun intended). It's just a novelty coffee and nothing more.

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  166. Re:New World Italian Style - now with line breaks! by gobbo · · Score: 1

    Thank you! good links, I'll have to try the phony crema technique.

    I, too, failed with the line breaks...

  167. Wait for my wife to make it! by redelm · · Score: 1
    ... OK, only half in joke. She's more particular about her coffee than I am about mine. And I value domestic tranquility. Enough that I'll often make it her way. Her happiness is important to me.

    Personally, I like an extremely mild roast brewed very strong. Often in pressure equipment, 1 volume ground coffee to 4 water.

  168. Pyrex Percolator by soupforare · · Score: 1

    I've been told up and down how percolation is the worst way to make coffee and I don't get it. It's always my favourite.

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  169. My method by blosphere · · Score: 1

    I found out myself that roasted beans get worse and loose their unique flavor after 2 weeks of storage, no matter what kind of container I had.

    So I started buying green beans and roasting around weeks worth of beans at one go (that's around 2-4dl of greens for me). The green beans store wonderfully, I had no difference in taste after storing them for many many months.

    Roasting is of course important, if you have high-quality beans I usually recommend very light roast to keep the flavor, excessive roasting is used to get rid of the beans own flavor. Very light means stop roasting almost immediately after they pop their skin.

    Then comes the grinding, I used a real mill (bladed ones give you omnigrind, which basically sucks for espresso, might work for drip). The output varies according to the time of year and the humidity, I usually had 4-5 different settings in my mind which pretty much followed the seasonal changes. You could almost measure the average air humidity from the grind output :P

    Worked pretty well for me, I usually mixed Jamaican Blue (lightly roasted) with Columbian prime (a bit darker) 50/50 to get the best results.

    I used to live in a same block as most of the city's 'exclusive' coffee shops were. My friends constantly judged my espresso and variants way better than these professional shops (I of course took good care of my equipment, cleaning them every time after making espresso and so on...).

  170. 1 Important Detail: Water by brundlfly · · Score: 1

    The water where I live is quite hard and chlorinated. It's nearly impossible to make a good pot with it, and any brewing device is clogged with scale in a matter of weeks. Even if you don't have this sort of problem I highly recommend using filtered water (read: Brita or equivalent) in your new coffee maker. With it, even the cheap commercial whole bean coffees are decent enough when the funds are low. A fresh ground pot from the local roaster is pretty nice. :) Once that nasty scale taste gets in the machine it's hard to eradicate it. You may be able to salvage an old coffee maker with lots of TLC and vinegar water. I've had success with running diluted bathroom scale remover (suggested on the label, actually) then lots of cycles of fresh clean water but that's nasty, nevermore. Bottom line: no minerals, no chlorine, pH neutral water is your best bet.

  171. Video by Paua+Fritter · · Score: 1

    The internet archive includes a couple of useful videos:

    This one on roasting coffee: http://www.archive.org/details/RoastingCoffee

    And this one (a classic!), called "This is Coffee!", on making coffee: http://www.archive.org/details/ThisisCo1961 - from the Coffee Brewing Institute if I remember correctly. Definitely worth watching, even if just for the soundtrack, the cool retro coffee gear, and to boggle at the cigarette smoking involved (vid dates from 1961). This vid doesn't recommend any particular method, but it stresses using actual coffee (as opposed to "instant coffee" I suppose), and using fresh water, with clean equipment. All good advice, to which I would add:

    Don't store a big stash of coffee for a long time - buy enough to last you a week or two at a time.
    Use freshly roasted beans (roasted at home, or from a local roaster).
    Use freshly ground beans (grind them yourself, as you need them, or at least get them ground when you buy them, don't ever buy coffee that's been pre-ground).
    Keep the coffee in a cool place, in an air-tight container.
    Storing coffee in the fridge is not ideal because when you open the container, warm moisture will get in, and when the container goes back in the fridge, the moisture will condense. This will cause your coffee to soak up moisture.
    Experiment with different beans and roasts, and write down your experience, so that you get to know what you prefer. Everyone is different.
    Avoid ultra-dark roasts ... they are foul, and bad for you.

    Personally I like brewed ("Turkish") coffee, but it's a bit of a health hazard if you drink it that way a lot.

    My favourite is espresso, with scalded milk ("flat white"). At home I have a stove-top espresso machine. Pump-driven ones are better, in general, but to get a reasonable quality one is quite expensive. The cheap ones make rubbish coffee.

  172. Why does Starbucks coffee taste like shit? by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

    Seriously they're the biggest chain in the USA and they can't produce anything that tastes better then Folgers. Nasty burnt shit for $5 a cup.

    No thanks.

    I remember when Starbucks signed a contract for a bunch of crappy robusta from India. (redundant I know)

    They wanted to keep it quite. But the Indians were crowing about their sale all over the media. Thought they had arrived as a coffee source, didn't realize it was just a ripoff chain selling crap to people who thing price==quality.

    Personally I like a Brazil press (like a french press, but microwaveable, just put the water in the press, 3 minute ding, add fresh grounds) made with just off boiling water, steeped for five minutes (I like it a little bitter).

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    1. Re:Why does Starbucks coffee taste like shit? by techno-vampire · · Score: 1

      Personally, I'd rather have Folgers. It, at least, isn't over-roasted, burnt and bitter. A friend recently came up with the best description of all: he calls them Charbucks.

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    2. Re:Why does Starbucks coffee taste like shit? by SocietyoftheFist · · Score: 1

      What a novel idea, some might like the roasting. Oh wait, we have to be incredulous at anybody not liking the things like we do. I enjoy Starbucks, as well as other local coffee shops, but I don't seem to get the regular burnt and bitter coffee that others complain about. Sensitive girly palettes maybe? My favorite whole bean coffee is their holiday blend, make it in a french press at home and mmmm mmm.

    3. Re:Why does Starbucks coffee taste like shit? by techno-vampire · · Score: 1
      What a novel idea, some might like the roasting.


      De gustibus non disputatum est,
      of course. I'm sure there must be people who like it, although I was under the impression that their primary customers were people who didn't know what good coffee tastes like. If you enjoy it, fine; go for it! Knock your socks off! Drink it all down, because I won't want any, and none of the many friends I have who know what good coffee is will, either.

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    4. Re:Why does Starbucks coffee taste like shit? by SocietyoftheFist · · Score: 1

      That is so clever, only those that like it aren't the ones that would know any better. How is that philosophy in life treating? I always like those on the Internet that view themselves with such a smug air or superiority.

    5. Re:Why does Starbucks coffee taste like shit? by techno-vampire · · Score: 1

      That means, "there is no arguing matters of taste." If it fits your taste, there's nothing I could say to change your mind, and I shouldn't try. As a further example, if you like hip-hop and I love big band swing, neither of us is going to change the other's mind and there's no point in arguing about which is better. If you like Starbucks, that's all that matters for you.

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    6. Re:Why does Starbucks coffee taste like shit? by SocietyoftheFist · · Score: 1

      Ummm you wrote:


      I'm sure there must be people who like it, although I was under the impression that their primary customers were people who didn't know what good coffee tastes like. If you enjoy it, fine; go for it! Knock your socks off! Drink it all down, because I won't want any, and none of the many friends I have who know what good coffee is will, either.


      That is a direct attempt to belittle me as somebody that wouldn't know what good coffee tastes like since that would be you and your friends.

      Again, how is that philosophy treating you? You sound like you are one of those guys on the Nextel commercial laughing about Dungeon Masters not having levels.

  173. Saeco by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A bit higher end, I have the Saeco Superautomatica Vienna Deluxe, which grinds the beans, makes the coffee, and then dumps the grinds, all with a single push of a button.(well two, if you count turning on the machine as one button press.) It is designed more for expresso or cappucino, but will make a full cup of coffee too. I use very fresh roasted decaf french beans. I'll buy different roasts if the other beans are still warm when I pick them up. Freshness is an amazingly important thing, probably more important than most other factors. While there is a difference in a few degrees of temperature, most ordinary folks don't care that much. I use filtered water, more to keep the coffeemaker from getting chemical buildup, but it does make for a slightly better taste here. I'd imagine that varies with the quality of your water.

  174. General comments by griffjon · · Score: 1

    Fresh ground is a must, beans do not age well, grounds age worse (increased surface area exposed to the air)

    I prefer the press method. Metal meshes don't strain out the natural oils in coffee the way that paper filters do, so you end up with a smoother tasting cup - this only matters tho if your beans are good to begin with.

    The beans themselves, and the roasting darkness, are largely a matter of taste. I like Jamaican Blue Mountain (though most of what you find in the stores is a total rip-off; order the Old Tavern Estate from the internets, you'll be glad you did - if you're /in/ Jamaica, and can't find Old Tavern, buy the High Mountain (1/2 the price, 3/4+ the quality of JBM). (Disclaimer: I lived in Jamaica for 2 years and am a coffee snob)

    I also like Kenyan AA, Tanzanian peaberry (almost any peaberry coffee will have a better taste than otherwise), and Kona. Those crazy kids at defcon have a blind taste-test (CoffeeWars.org, another disclaimer, I'm a founding member), and Kona and JBM generally take the top slots. Nicaraguan coffees are a new possible contender for a decent cup of Joe, and Mexican Altura - it ain't the best, but damn it's cheap!

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  175. which coffee to try? by soloverse · · Score: 1

    I can tell you right now that the Black Cat Blend from Intelligentsia Coffee is one of the best normally available beans in the country. It made its name as an espresso bean, and is balanced enough to kick ass in regular drip & french press. Intelligentsia is a great company all around. I have been buying from them for the cigar shop I work at for over four years. If you want to get your brains worth, check out coffeegeek.com and home-barista.com. If you are looking to improve your coffee experience - fresh, properly roasted beans is a must, of course. But as for hardware, I say get yourself a good burr grinder = NO BLADES! A consistent grind will improve any method of coffee making every time out.

  176. instant by dwater · · Score: 1

    >What is your preferred coffee-making method, and how does it compare to other methods you've tried?

    I really don't get what's so great about ground coffee. It tastes like dirt to me.

    I prefer instant coffee. My favourite is Korean - it's English name of Maxim :

    http://www.kgrocer.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWPR OD&ProdID=1524

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  177. Honey... by rthille · · Score: 1


    I'm ready for my mocha! Not to much whip cream today, huh?

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  178. Re:Aeropress ----HELL YES, it's great by McVeigh · · Score: 1

    this is the simplest and best coffee maker I have found, all you need is some decent beans, not world class just good ones, and with the aeropress the water is in such short contact with the beans you get almost no bitterness. If you want some bitterness, just let it steep a little more,

    it also impresses the ladies :)

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  179. Best lightness recipe by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    1) 1 tablespoon of coffee grounds (use ones that have been brewed or percolated) per quart of water. Mix the grounds and water together.
    2) You will probably want to use a bag with a larger nozzle (so the grounds can pass through easily).
    3) You will also want to shake the mixture before administering.
    4) Find a good position. Make sure you are comfortable and can relax. Be sure you can clean up if a problem is to occur.
    5) Lubricate your anus. You might want a partner to massage some lubricant inside your anus and rectum. This will help when the nozzle is inserted. You will want your anus to admit the nozzle so that you can relax.
    6) As the nozzle is inserted, relax as it passes your sphincter. You might want to take a couple of deep breaths as it passes.
    7) Relax, as your partner turns on the flow. Mentally picture yourself receiving it. A good partner will slow the flow if you experience any gripping. You may end up making a mess if you panic. Instead, try to relax, everything will be fine. If cramps come (and they probably will during your first enema) have your partner stop the flow, breath deep, and try massaging your stomach area.
    8) If you feel the need to evacuate, ask your partner to stop the flow. Relax, the desire will pass as your colon relaxes.
    9) You might feel your stomach expanding. Let it. Try to hold the enema for a few minutes.
    10) When it is time to evacuate, take yourself (with the tube still in place) to the lavatory. Wait until you are in a position to evacuate before you remove the tube.
    11) After you evacuate, take a deep breath and feel your lightness.

    Oh, you wanted coffee to DRINK!!!!
    Yeah, I won't drink that

  180. Four Steps to Perfect Coffee by cheesyfru · · Score: 1
    Here's all you need:
    1. Buy green (unroasted) coffee beans (see SweetMarias.com). They stay fresh for at least a year until roasted. Yirgacheffe is my favorite.
    2. Roast them yourself with a popcorn popper. Since you're using quality coffee, you can roast much lighter than Charbucks.
    3. Grind the beans coarse with a burr grinder right before brewing.
    4. Brew one mug at a time using a french press. There's no filter to strip out the "body" of the coffee. It's rich and sweet, but not bitter.
    I've been doing this since 2002. The only disadvantage is that every coffee you drink in cafés and restaurants tastes like junk after you get spoiled with this.
  181. My Favorite Way to Make Coffee: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1) Fresh Beans (although, coffee fool is more about selling their own product and use many interesting, unique ways of advertising it... like posting to news sites questions);
    2) Any normal, unflavored roast (aka no additatives);
    3) put whole beans in pan
    3) pour hot water over beans, wait 20 seconds;
    4) pour water off;
    5) pour hot water, just under-boiling onto beans;
    6) 3 to 10 minutes depending on the roast (and your preference);
    7) pour water into glass;
    8) drink.

    It has a very unique character and results in a nearly clear coffee brew.

    You can also get fresh, unroasted beans, roast them just enough to start cooking the oils in the pan, then do this. ... or, if you like that dark taste.. the other method is:
    1) grind beans into powder
    2) put beans in pan
    3) fill pan with water
    4) bring to a boil
    5) boil for 0 seconds to 1 minute
    6) turn off heat, let pan sit for 5 to 10 minutes (to let bean powder settle)
    7) pour off slowly, so you do not get any grounds in your cup
    8) enjoy.

  182. aeropress by goombah99 · · Score: 1

    it's an aerobie areo press. Beats the pants off of a standard french press.
    1) faster (15 seconds) cause you can use a finer grind than a standard french press
    2) tastier lower temp brew (because it's faster, water does not need to be as hot initially)
    3) 2 second self cleaning. it's a syringe that ejects the filter and squeegies out the coffee grounds
    4) no cords. it's plastic and you can heat it right in the microwave.
    5) makes stronger coffee than a standard french press since you can use less water and a finer grind.

    the self cleaning aspect makes it office friendly. The lower temp brew saves time since you don't have to heat water if you have one of those hot water taps on your bottled water dispensors or sink at the office.

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  183. Espresso! by Sig.Baldi · · Score: 1

    I'm Italian, I Mokona. High pressure, 7grams of ground coffee to make a creamy espresso, add milk and a steam wand for a good capuccino.

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  184. huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    maybe i'm missing something but why is this on slashdot??

  185. Camp coffee by Mr.+Shotgun · · Score: 1
    1. Pour beans into an old dirty sock
    2. Smash sock with a boot or other heavy object
    3. Dump grounds and sock into a percolator
    4. Place percolator over fire
    The best part is the older the sock the stronger the flavor, and the sock also serves as a filter saving money in the process.
    Try using other camper's socks for new and interesting flavors.
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  186. Go to Tim Hortons ... by Rudisaurus · · Score: 1

    ... just like every good Canadian. Ah, Timmy's -- makes Starbucks taste like dishwater by comparison!

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  187. Roast, grind, temperature, pressure, and timing by tcampb01 · · Score: 1

    I'm a bit of a coffee fanatic and spent a great deal of time learning about coffee, roasting, brewing, and how to get the best possible cup. I'll try to sum up what I've learned.

    About 30% of a coffee bean is water soluble. 70% are solids which wont dissolve no matter how long you leave them in water. Of the soluble portion, 2/3rds (20% of the bean) yield flavors that most people would find desirable. 1/3 (10% of the bean) yields flavors which are bitter and not as desirable. Caffeine is bitter. "some" is good... too much isn't so good.

    Forunately if the temperature, pressure, grind, and timing of the extraction are all correct then the desirable components will dissolve faster and the less desirable flavors will dissolve last. This means that if you cut-off the extraction process at the right time, you can get most of the good stuff and leave the bad stuff behind. The trick is in getting the extraction correct.

    Turns out that drip coffee makers and percolators can't control the extraction process. Espresso machines can be both good and bad (most low-end machines are bad), but a good espresso machine will make fantastic coffee.

    What makes the machine good is it's ability to carefully control the temperature and pressure during the extraction. In 1961, the Faema company invented an espresso machine brew group which circulates some hot water from the boiler through the metal of the brew group. If hot water goes through a large mass of cold metal, the metal will wick the heat out of the water before it hits the beans... since the water would then be too cold, the extraction wouldn't be very good. By circulating the water through the brew group to warm the metal to the waters desired temperature, the water and metal mass of the brew group is equalized so that when extraction occurs the water wont be cooled down, temperature of the water when it hits the beans will remain consistent and you'll be able to control the extraction much better. This brew group is called the Faema E61 brew group. 26 years later it's STILL the ruling brew group. Many top machines use this brew group even if they machine is built by another maker. Other high-end machines tend to try to copy the Faema system by temperature-controlling their brew groups as well. Low end machines don't control the brew group temperature and the results.... speak for themselves. =(

    The grind should be fairly fine... fine enough that if you put a small amount on your counter (or the palm of your hand) and then press a finger into it you should be able to still see some traces of your fingerprint in the grinds. You don't want dust (don't want to see a perfect fingerprint) but you dont' want it so course that there's no hint of a fingerprint. Propeller grinders aren't capable of grinding fine enough. Some low-quality burr grinders either cannot grind fine enough or they generate too much heat from friction and end up damaging the beans (like over-roasting would do). A good burr grinder should be able to grind fine enough without generating heat that damages the ground coffee.

    Before pulling a shot, if the machine has been sitting idle too long then I'd "pull a blank". Basically just run water through the machine's brew group for a minute to make sure you've re-normalized the temperature. If steam comes out then it's too hot. Water temperature should only be about 205 F (not boiling).

    If the coffee is dispensed into the porta-filter basket and then FIRMLY tamped (lean on it with a little body weight) and twist to polish it. Attach the porta-filter to the brew group, put a couple of clear shot glasses under the spouts and grab a watch with a second hand.

    Pull the shot and time how long it takes to extract the shot. It should take about 25-27 seconds. Much shorter and you've under-extracted... possibly you didn't tamp tight enough or your grind wasn't fine enough. Much longer and you've over-extracted -- you've gone beyond the 20% of the bean that's desirable and grabbed plenty of that 10%

  188. Re:Mmmm Coffee... Freshly roasted beans are a MUST by swordgeek · · Score: 1

    I've been involved in the coffee community longer than I've been in computing, and that number is growing faster than I care to admit.

    My advice: Don't buy an espresso machine. If you've saved up $250, then get a decent grinder, and start saving $500 for an espresso machine.

    $250 on an espresso machine is tough to get right. $250 on an espresso machine with a $20 burr grinder is a waste of effort.

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  189. not allowed by c-reus · · Score: 1

    My cardiologist said I really shouldn't drink coffee.

    So I drink a regular random-brand coffee with lots of milk in it-

  190. computer controlled of course by ganjagadget · · Score: 1
  191. Uber-Parent Author an Embarrassment to Coffee by MSTCrow5429 · · Score: 1
    "What is your preferred coffee-making method, and how does it compare to other methods you've tried?"

    French-press. Anything else is sacrilege (except for espresso).

    "What are your favorite beans?"

    Arabica, you charlatan. No person that knew what they were talking about would dare ask such a basic question.

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  192. Gold filter, plenty of milk, hand ground Peet's by mamba-mamba · · Score: 1

    I grind 20 grams (this is a lot) of coffee beans with a hand grinder. After grinding, I put it in a gold mesh filter, which sits in a single-cup drip maker.

    I heat 100 grams of milk (microwave, 35 seconds) in a huge (20 oz?) mug, and put the apparatus on top of the mug.

    I pour boiling water slowly, a little at a time, into the filter until the mug is almost full. At first I add just enough water to wet all the coffee, then try to keep the water at that level with small additions of water.

    Because I pour the water slowly, the milk stays at the bottom. The gold mesh lets a lot of fine coffee grounds through, and these settle. The first sip is almost like black coffee. After I drink most of the coffee, and start to taste the milk, I swirl the grounds around in the warm milk at the bottom and drink the last gulp, grounds and all. Mmmmm.

    The beans get old in about a week, but they still taste pretty good for up to a month or two, when stored at room temperature. (Never freeze or refrigerate beans, in my opinion.)

    I buy Peet's French. Yeah, it is really dark, yeah, it's a blend, but I can easily taste the difference between Peet's French and an equally dark roasted coffee purchased elsewhere, so I believe that Peet's really is better. Some people say it's too dark and you can't taste the real bean flavor because of it. Whatever. I like it.

    MM

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  193. Super Automatics are Nice by rsk · · Score: 1

    Good timing, I just posted a review to the Super Automatic we ended up getting here:
    http://www.breakitdownblog.com/2007/05/16/jura-cap resso-impressa-s9-avantgarde-review/

    The bean question is a good one. With our old drip maker I couldn't tell a difference at all, with the super-auto I can tell a *huge* difference between a "smooth/fresh" bean and a "bitter/old" bean. Starbucks beans taste like crap in the super... they are *very* bitter. I also try and get a mild to light roast to preserve the caffeine in the bean which is something not a lot of people realize (darker == more roast == less caffeine)

  194. Recency of roasting is the only thing that matters by RKBA · · Score: 1

    The only thing that really matters with coffee is how recently the beans were roasted. Two other things that are also very important are the type of roast; ie, were the beans lightly roasted so you can actually taste the coffee bean (instead of being burned to a crisp until they're as bitter as Zeus hops in beer, or Full City and Espresso coffee roasts are), and lastly where are the beans from and what was that particular harvest like? Freshly and properly ground coffee beans are assumed of course. Green coffee beans will last several months on the shelf, but once you roast them in your home coffee roaster (of course ;-) the flavor starts deteriorating after only a few days (some difference is noticeable after only hours!), and after a month you may as well be buying supermarket coffee.

  195. Illy Pump Espresso Machine by joshamania · · Score: 1

    I recently purchased an Illy ESE espresso machine. I'm in love. The thing is ridiculously expensive, but it almost beats my dishwasher as my favorite kitchen appliance. One can use the ESE pods (easy serving espresso) which are individually packaged in a CO2 atmosphere, or espresso ground beans...either way. I really like the pods as there is so little mess to deal with, I'm not cleaning up coffee grounds ever, and even the loose ground coffee comes out of the machine as a semi-hardened puck, making removal very easy.

    The most beautiful thing about this machine is that it warms up in 30 seconds. 90 seconds after I touch the machine in the morning I'm drinking a fresh hot cup of espresso or if I feel like something lighter, the machine can make hot water for an americano. You *can* make regular coffee, one cup at a time with it as well. I also love it for that very reason...I love coffee, but I don't drink it quickly. Having a fresh cup, every time, has been a joy.

  196. Yea but by arcite · · Score: 1

    It's so good its worth it.

  197. Coffee Researcher (yes, some of us do that) by gnarvaez · · Score: 2, Informative

    Coffee... after eight years of research on different aspects of coffee (mainly as a social scientist, but also on quality standards), how to prepare and store coffee gets asked over and over...

    Here are a few websites that have very reliable information: www.coffeegeek.com and www.sweetmarias.com are two that come to mind, also look at www.scaa.org (Specialty Coffee Association of America) as they are the authority on coffee quality.

    aside from that you have to ask yourself what you are starting with.

    You need good water, not too hard (maybe a simple water filter is all you need) The references in the US are San Francisco and Seattle water.

    Instant, then just close the lid of the can (though the flavor won't really change much if you don't)

    Preground coffee from the big four (Folger's, Maxwell House, Nestle, etc.) or flavored coffees (do you know what kind of solvents they use to retain the flavor through roasting?), then just close the lid and keep in a dark cool place (cabinet that is not above a stove is a fine place).

    Preground coffee from a coffee shop, then buy small amounts (a pound or less) and just close tightly and store in a dark cool place, not in the freezer or refrigerator since humidity will affect the flavor. An airtight container that is not too large should do fine

    Of course, the best possible way to drink fresh coffee is to roast it yourself and consume it within three weeks.... this might be a bit much for most, but the second best thing is to buy freshly roasted coffee from a reputable coffee shop (need not be expensive), that prints the date on the package. The few I know that are distributed nationwide are Green Mountain Coffee and Tully's. There are smaller ones that are amazing like Intelligentsia (Chicago and soon in L.A.), Groundworks (L.A.), Barefoot Roasters (Sunnyvale, CA), Stumptown (Portland, OR) Counter Culture (Durham, NC), and many others I have not included due to space, but if they roast locally, they are bound to be great. All the ones I mention print the date of roasting (not the date that they are good until).

    Why don't I recommend Starbucks or other well known coffees? Well, they are good if you like the way they roast (and a good many people do. They are after all the largest specialty coffee company in the world. I don't buy their coffee because, 1) too dark for my taste, 2) no roast date on package -- no other reason, and the same goes for others who do not print the roast date on the package).

    Packaging only does so much, whether it is vacuum, co2, nitrogen, etc. Coffee is a very complex thing that has something like 600 or so identifiable components after roasting. Not all of them remain stable for the same amount of time, and most of the flavor in coffee, like anything else, is in the smell. Roasting is a process of controlled destruction and most of the smell of coffee is trapped in microscopic gas pockets inside the bean, out-gassing will occur, oils and similar substances will sublimate, etc. this process cannot be undone with any known technology today (no magic crystals, no fancy gases, nada). Coffee should be ground right before consumption with a good grinder (burrs and not blades) and coffee should not sit around too long... a month or five weeks tops (I prefer three weeks... you can tell if a coffee is fresh if when you brew it, a foamy crust forms, the thicker-- the fresher. The crust is a combination of emulsified gases and oils. As the components evaporate, sublimate, or deteriorate, the foam becomes thinner or non-existent).

    Brewing... there are a number of methods, but most do not bring the best out from the coffee. Some of the best ways to prepare coffee are not that expensive at all.
    French pot (Bodum is nice, but you can easily find some for $14 or so that work just as well) is quite good. Boil water and add it to the ground coffee, steep for four minutes and it is done (water should be around 200F or so, which is what water will be off the stove a minute or so after boiling, if it is t

  198. Best Way. by crhylove · · Score: 1

    We recently got a cuisinart brand coffee maker from Costco. You fill it with whole beans, water and turn it on. The coffee comes out great. It grinds well, percolates well, and the coffee tastes great. We also got a really good deal on a bulk order of fantastic organic coffee from Amazon.com.

    Seriously, before now I didn't drink coffee unless I happened by a cool non-corporate coffee shop and had 5 minutes to kill. Now I have a cup a day at least!

    rhY

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  199. Best beans around. by blackapple666 · · Score: 1

    I use a La Pavoni Pro lever machine and Stumptown coffee beans. Stumptown is a local PDX roaster. You can buy their beans online. They buy and source their beans direct with growers and roast them themselves. All bags have a roast date. Usually best after a day or 2 after the roast, so the oils settle back in. Don't forget a good grinder. You need a bur grinder. It makes as much difference as the machine. I use a Rancilio Rocky. It works great. Not too expensive, especially the refurbs.

  200. A tradition I inherited from my parents by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1. Dress.
    2. Take elevator to ground floor.
    3. Walk 20 feet to Starbucks.
    4. Blurt a 20-word description of what you want.
    5. Drink coffee.

  201. the best quality coffee by funkioto · · Score: 1

    The best quality coffee attainable is espresso ground from fresh beans. The flavour obtained from such a process is so sweet and subtle that no sugar is required.

  202. call me old fashioned by vuffi_raa · · Score: 1

    I get my beans from an old man that roast his own for a cafe that he owns about a block from me once a week(the best beans I have ever had darkest french roast I have had- near black beans very fresh and moist with oils) I grind them myself (extremely fine grind- approx a turkish grind) and use a drip cone for a single 20 oz cup with water that is not less than boiling (heated back to boiling between pours). takes about 15-20 minutes in the morning, makes for very strong flavorful coffee.

  203. Water is just as important by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Water is the single largest ingredient in a cup of coffee: no great bean can overcome over bad water. Here in San Francisco, we get good tasting tap water, but my cup of coffee does taste better after a pass through a Britta water filter (or from bottled water). If the water smells like chlorine or sulfur, and/or it tastes metallic, then those overtones will come through with the coffee.

    That said, good coffee is simple.
    * Fresh (local) beans.
    * Buy whole beans; grind right before use.
    * Good water...maybe bottled.
    * Choose any method: drip, mokka pot, French press, espresso

    More details on the above guidelines:
    * Find a good, local roaster, from whom you can get beans freshly roasted (within 5 or so days, fresher the better). The http://coffeegeek.com/ forums may help. When in doubt, order yours online; I suggest http://intelligentsiacoffee.com/ out of Chicago for their excellent roasts and central location (they can get beans to you reasonably fresh throughout the US). In the Bay Area, I suggest Blue Bottle Coffee or Ritual Coffee.
    * Buy whole beans. They keep longer. Use your beans within 10 days of roasting. Store airtight and away from direct sun. Some may argue that beans are best the day after roasting, and while I agree, there is a convenience/cost factor I cannot ignore. I buy 1/2 lb. of whole beans each week for my personal use (I drink a lot of coffee). The beans keep a lot of volatile, tasty compounds when their whole; these compounds evaporate when the bean is ground. In general I suggest a good burr grinder, but the whirly blade ones will work, too, particularly for paper cone drip. It's all about even grind, which is more likely with a burr grinder. For instance, I get more "grit" at the bottom of a French pressed cup of coffee when grinding with a whirly blade. Burr grinder cost a lot more. Check out http://sweetmarias.com/) or http://amazon.com/ or http://1stincoffee.com/ for some gear.
    * Use good water: bottled or filtered. Hardness (both too hard and too soft) may turn you off...try bottled in either extreme.
    * I like and consume coffee brewed using all methods. Choose one that suits your budget, your mood, and your tastebuds. If you're like me, you'll end up using most of them. My current favorite is the stovetop espresso (mokka pot). It gives a richer cup, which I like in the morning, and it looks damn cool. However, it doesn't travel well, so I drip or French press when I'm on vacation or away from home. I don't have the $$ or time to do espresso correctly. I go to a coffee shop for that style. A word on drip...skip the cheap coffee machines, as most don't get hot enough. You're far better off using a single cup cone filter (plastic or ceramic), a Chemex drip, or the similar model from Bodum. These are also cheaper than most coffee machines. See here http://sweetmarias.com/prod.brewers.shtml or here http://www.fantes.com/coffeemakers_manualdrip.htm
    * One last note - varietals and roast do matter a lot. I suggest running through the style of coffee your roaster sells in order to find the one you like most. I'm fond of Ethiopian Yirgecheffe, but you may like something completely different. Experiment! It's fun and tasty!

  204. Moka Express by erik_norgaard · · Score: 2, Informative

    Drip brewed coffee and french press do not produce the full coffee taste as the water is too cold and only extract some aromas.

    August 28 2000 was a significant day in my coffee life as I changed to the Italian Moka Express http://www.bialettishop.com/MokaExpressMain.htm. This radical change followed a change in my perception of what constitutes a true coffee experience after a visit to Italy. Since then I only drink moka or expresso. I bring my own coffee maker on any travels not destined for Italy. There should be left no doubt that a trip to Italy for the coffee experience is a must for the true coffee enthusiast.

    I think the best maker is the 2 or 3 cup size, the bigger the makers have higher water:coffee ratio. But the right maker is not enough, you gotta get the right blend of torrefacto and natural roast (torrefacto is made by roasting the beans with sugar). Shop arround to find the blend and roast that you like. Once you have found your coffee pusher, stick with him as he will know your specific taste and preferences and make sure to have your blend.

    1. Re:Moka Express by ChaoticLimbs · · Score: 1

      I have the same little coffee maker, and it's great.

  205. Fresh beans and a La Pavoni by HiramvdG · · Score: 1

    Every single visitor to our house sings the praise of our coffee. I use a La Pavoni Italian espresso machine, with a lever, not a pump. It takes some practice, but eventually, if you really care, you will make a perfect cup of espresso coffee 9 out of 10 times. Of course you'll use freshly roasted coffee beans that you'll grind yourself just minutes prior to making the coffee. If the tap water is low quality, use bottled water. Operating a La Pavoni is a ten step process, and if you miss or mess up a single step, you can throw away the sad result.

  206. Beans, beans, beans by James+Youngman · · Score: 1

    I used to drink coffee made from a press, but my current employer has espresso machines in the staff kitchens, and so I started drinking espresso at home too. I haven't looked back.

    I make the coffee with a Gaggia Classic Espresso machine, and grind the beans in a grinder, immediately before using them. How you use the grinder is quite important. A given type of bean needs a certain fineness of grind, which you basically need to discover by trying combinations. To get coffee of the right strength, you need to squish the coffee in the filter the right amount. Too much and the coffee is made too slowly and is too bitter. Too little and you get no crema. It takes a bit of practice to figure out whether your latest cup was ground too coarse and squished too much, or ground too fine and under-squished. I grind the beans relatively finely and tamp the grounds down in the filter holder to flatten them, without using any force.

    Next to grinding to the right grade there is also choosing good beans. I've tried a number of varieties, but on the whole I prefer Illy beans. The other type I prefer is sold by a chap in the Dublin city centre market (the one in Temple Bar, next to the photography museum) on Saturdays. He roasts it himself. Unfortunately, he brings one of four varieties each week, and I can't remember which is the subset I like best. I grind the beans as needed and keep the can of as-yet unground beans in the fridge. I guess a can lasts me most of a week. I also have a can of pre-ground decaf but it tastes awful, as the pre-ground coffee goes stale so fast. Yuck. In the fridge I also have a packet of Lavazza espresso coffee, but it's only in there in case the coffee grinder ever breaks and leaves me with no other way to make coffee.

    In the past I have bought vacuum-packed beans and frozen them. I wasn't that keen on the result, and think it was more because of the beans themselves than the freezing, but I'm only 75% sure of that.

    Keeping the machine clean is important too. Coffee-making leaves behind a residue on the external parts of the machine (e.g. the filter plate that goes directly above the filter holder and filter). Build-up of bitter oils here can negatively affect the taste of the coffee, so cleaning it is good. The water tank needs to be cleaned roughly weekly, too. A quick job is OK for that. The instructions for the machine tell you to de-scale every 3 months, but I'm sure that every 6 is fine here (I live in Dublin, where there are not significant levels of dissolved calcium salts in the tapwater).

    When I bought the machine, I gave the sales assistant a close questioning about whether the machine would yield hot water for making Americanos. She tried to tell me yes, you can adjust the steam nozzle to do this (as on my previous, faulty, Krups machine). In fact that's not practical, but I seem anyway to prefer drinking the espresso straight now.

  207. Freshness - dohhhh! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Only in the land where food and plastic are indistinguishable could this be a surprise.

  208. It's the grinder! by pedestrian+crossing · · Score: 1

    I should add, however, that you can get great espresso from just about any home machine, but ONLY with freshly ground beans. And I don't mean freshly ground at Starbucks/Gloria Jeans/etc last Monday. You need a good burr grinder at home and you need to grind only the beans you need for each cup. My grinder is a Rancilio Rocky, which is worth about twice as much as the Carezza. But it's worth it.

    Absolutely correct.

    So many people focus on the machine, but the grinder is definitely the most important piece of hardware.

    And freshness of the beans is the most critical overall element of the equation.

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  209. good machine most important by edis · · Score: 1

    I settled with La Pavoni lever machine Europiccola Professional PLH half year ago. Previously toyed with italian Pratica (correct?) made percolator (not aluminium, of course), but there is huge difference in what can be achieved. Never before was I enjoying that thick crema, nor pleasures of milk froth in coffee. Absolutely recommend La Pavoni for one, who wants to control process himself and have quality coffee making (and gorgeous cocoa).

    For those, who have heart problems, caused by coffee, I'd recommend trying different beans or toying with milk. Having some sweets or cake or similar also could soften impact. To me first bag of italian Chico D'oro for that machine was clearly making me irritated after cups (making feel unrest, nervous). Dutch Bravissimo roast beans were of excellent taste and impact, instead. Now I got bag of Paulig Espresso, which was slightly cheaper, that look gorgeous visually (dark, big and oily surface beans), and result in enormous amount of crema from one-cup filter. Coffee is good, sound. My current behavior with 1 kg bag after purchase is to split it in half, and place one part into sealed container, filled as much as possible. I heard it is no good to keep coffee in refridgerator, so we no longer do it. The rest is left in the bag, and consumed until finished. That way I get fresher beans in whole - contact with air is biggest enemy of theirs. Having fresh beans, of course, is also important (date is stated on bag, some local big-store resellers have nerve of offering coffee with date either nearly ending, or hardly readable, which amounts to the same, beware, this coffee can even smell bad).

    Single serious health impact, I currently experience from coffee, is it's tendency to wash out vitamines, which results in tired eyes while at computer for big part of day. Well, this is something I sacrifice at chosen pace.

    For grinding coffee I chose very simple Braun grinder, where you can control how fine grinding is (at or near finest setting, beans and chosen filter bottom size dependant), that did not cost nearly second coffee machine, and is fine for me. There are seriously expensive grinders, but I did not buy into that need.

    There are excellent resources for coffee geeks (like coffeegeek.com) elsewhere online, too.

    Have thick crema!

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  210. Cheap alternative for filters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This does make me chuckle. Actually for several weeks now, i've been using a standard coffee machine, yet since i keep forgetting to buy proper filters, i've switched to regular toilet paper. I use two two-ply three-piece bits of toilet paper, and i must say, the coffee aint that bad. Alternatively there's a senseo-machine, which i cant suggest using, as it basically produces hot, colored water.

  211. Bean 2 Cup by vohlish_n · · Score: 1

    I have a Gaggia Bean 2 Cup machine. In the morning I just have to wander into my study and press one button, and it grinds, tamps, and brews the perfect cup of espresso. Then I just have to empty the grinds bin every few weeks. Unfortunately leaving the beans in the beans-dispenser for too long can be a problem, so I top them up every few days.

    For beans, I import Nannini beans in 2lb bags, from Siena, Italy. Keep them sealed up for freshness, but I haven't gone to the trouble of using pressurised CO2 containers. I may look into that though.

    If you ever find yourself in Tuscany, be sure to visit the Nannini cafe in Siena. Ask for a machiato if you don't like your coffee black.

  212. It's in how you treat the beans by SpectralDesign · · Score: 1

    I can't drink coffee anymore -- I figured out my migraines were due to caffiene withdrawl....

    But here's my advice -- treat your beans well... NEVER freeze them, don't even refrigerate them. Keep them in an air-tight container. Buy only as much as you'll use in a week, obviously as whole beans. Treat them like you would bananas, and they stay much fresher.

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  213. Turkish the lazy way - Mud Coffee by Yamagami · · Score: 1

    A lazy way to make Turkish coffee to do Mud-Coffee. One happy teaspoon of finely ground in a GLASS cup (glass is important as I find ceramics to impair the taste). Pour just boiled water from a slight distance on the coffee, so that the water get a few milliseconds to cool on the way down, and then put a teaspoon of sugar on top so that it takes all the sediment down, and stir. Half a minute later you got mud at the bottom and glorious lazy turkish coffee. The more foam on the top the better. Coffee IS the water of life. don't let anyone tell you differently.

  214. Those were the days when java was java and men ... by vorlich · · Score: 1

    The OCD level of this forum topic and the degree of detailed information is so so self-obssessed - and informative - that it reminds me of those ubiquitous letters to Playboy about stereo - sorry Hi Fi systems in the days before pubic hair, Jerry Falwell and Hustler.
    Oh, halcyon days. Next: how to make the perfect salsa.

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  215. Buy your beans Green by blkros · · Score: 1

    Buying the coffee beans green, and roasting them yourself is the ultimate in flavor, really.
    The upside is the the green beans stay good for about a year, where the roasted flavor disappears after a month or two.

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  216. Excellent coffee by Oshkoshjohn · · Score: 1

    Buy the cheapest coffee you can find. I get the house brand at Aldis. If you care about what your guests think, save and re-use an old can from a top shelf branded coffee or else use a coffee canister. No matter.

    Make the coffee by the directions on the can. Don't skimp on the coffee.

    When the coffee is done brewing, decant it into a thermos container of some sort. If you insist on keeping the coffee in the coffee maker, try to drink it all in about 45 minutes. Exposing coffee to continuous heat is what causes really vile-tasting coffee.

    I loves the caffeine!

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  217. Roast your own and use a vacuum brewer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    First, roast your own beans. Sweetmaries.com or similar places can sell you green beans and roasters.

    Then, if you want espresso, a pump machine can't be matched. Good ones are expensive, though, and a good burr grinder (also expensive) is as important as the espresso machine.

    However, if you want brewed coffee, the ultimate is a vacuum brewer. I like the Hario Nouveau, but Cona's are good too. If you get the Hario, however, replace the paper filter system with a Cono glass rod filter. It's a glass rod with a mottled surface that lets the brewed coffee seep through but traps the grinds. Then, nothing but glass will touch your brewed coffee.

  218. Favorite Method by MemoryDragon · · Score: 1

    Shit the beans out literally, let them dry in the sun, grind em and make coffee... This gives a hell of a nutty flavor...

  219. PEET'S by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I can't believe there is a discussion about the "best" coffee and there are only two posts about Peet's. Yes, it's a West Coast (California) franchise, but their coffee is so different and good that I've had people in the hallway at work tell approach me to tell me how good my coffee smells and asked me for the secret. A lot of people talk about this coffee and that being better, but then when you try them it's not much different than any other coffee. Peet's is radically different, and there's no way to explain it 'till you've had it.

    Most Safeway (Midwest) or Vons (West) grocery stores carry Peet's. It's not nearly as good from the store as it is fresh from a Peet's location or online, but it's still a lot better. Try it.

  220. Logarithmic deterioration of ground coffree by evolymsey · · Score: 1

    Well, fresh ground coffee beans is like a red wine bottle opened : It last 2 days. It's deterioration is logarithmic. Within the very first 48 hours, it loses about 25% of freshness. In the next 48 hours, it will loose maybe another 10% (don't apply to the vacuum sealed package). This is especially true if it is a very sharp coffee blend. Also true if you are perfect with your methodology of making a coffee. All the process from grinding until drinking must be very perfect to obtain the best from the grain and from the infusion technique.

    So fresh ground beans are important if you master your technique. Otherwise either freshness or technique are not so important, it will ordinary coffee only.
    Will alter the coffee freshness :
    -light
    -air
    -moisture
    -hot or cold
    -your finger natural body oil
    -time

    To have a full caffeine coffee, use a Bodum and infuse it for 10 minutes.
    I prefer the espresso, it's less caffeine, and the texture is not like water.
    That taste is maybe because of my French background.
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  221. Wake up ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you want to be awake, you need espresso. And if you want to be awake for more than 15 minutes, you need real espresso.
    Here's the deal - the sugar has to float.
    Trust me - its all about pharmacokinetics. If the coffee is watery, then the caffeine will be absorbed too rapidly, leading to a "spike" in caffeine levels in your bloodstream.
    If the espresso is properly made, then it will be dense enough that white sugar sprinled on top will float. In turn, that means that when ingested, the caffeine will be released gradually, producing a sustained plateau in caffeine plasma levels - result, you're awake for longer.
    So, the coffee must be finely ground and pressed ("tamped"). For taste, use a pure arabica, dark roast. Illy or Mokarabia are good.

  222. Re:Simplicity ( for the western world maybe) by lebow · · Score: 1

    This might be simple for American standards but here ( middle east ) we don't have time to wait around...

    Here is how it works if you want to get your caffeine, go, and get stuff done.

    1. Put coffee grounds, sugar, and boiling water* in a cup.
    2. Drink and get stuff done.

    *You should always have a ready supply of boiling water, in your urn, samovar, kum kum... so you don't have to wait

    If your really in a hurry, use instant coffee, and if your in a really big hurry make half a cup, double strong then add cold water, then you don't have to wait for it to cool down and you can drink it like a shot of vodka.

    And don't forget, the larger the coffee and sugar to water ration per cup, the more stuff you can get done.

    If your working as hard as you should be you don't have time for taste... Now if you'll excuse me I have to have another cup so I can compensate for the time wasted writing this comment.

  223. Arabic coffee, anyone? by Chrisje · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I've been watching this discussion go on for some time, and as expected, there is a whole lot of Snobbery going on. You talk about your beans, your storage, home-roasting and all of that bollocks. Most of it are versions of Arabica, and most are grown in the mountains. Firstly, I grew up in the Netherlands, where Douwe Egberts is the coffee-company that sells the most. A german low-price supermarket chain had an anonymous gold-label coffee that was a lot better than the brand-name coffees out there. It just goes to show that labels and brands and bean-snobbery aren't everything.

    Back in the day (and I'm still partial to it) I really enjoyed a good strong filter coffee with a dash of milk, no sugar. The machine here makes a large difference in the outcome. If you have a good one that brews under the right pressure and temperature, filter coffee can be lovely. Douwe Egbert devices are indeed superior here. When making filter coffee I like using a somewhat dark roast so you get a hint of bitterness. I always use a lot of coffee to get a strong pot, and before closing the machine, I always add few grains of salt to enhance the flavour. You'd be amazed what a little salt does in that regard. Sometimes I add cardamom for taste.

    Over the years I have made coffee with all kinds of brands and roasts. Zoegas, Ily, Lavazza, Jacobs, Douwe Egberts, HAG, Löfbergs Lila, Gevalia, Lindvalls, you name 'm. I've used espresso machines, percolator, the espresso-boiler on the stove, pans and filter-machines. But still my favourite is a finely ground, darkly roasted arabica for Filter with a bit of salt in the filter. Usually the brand is secondary. The only exceptions to this are HAG and Löfbergs Lila. I fucking hate those.

    But the one thing that I'm missing in all of these discussions is Arabic coffee-making. I don't mean Turkish coffee. That's for wussies. I mean properly boiled Arabic coffee.

    - Put water in small pan
    - Let water boil
    - Add large amounts of arabic coffee (cheap ones work fine too) blended with Cardamom
    - Boil until foam comes up. Stir (off the fire) until foam disappears
    - Add sugar, 1-2 Spoons per cup
    - Put back on stove and boil until no more foam forms on the coffee

    Pour into a glass and drink it.

    This has to be the one and only rival way of making coffee to filter that I fully enjoy every time. If you're ever in the Arab neighborhood of Jerusalem, drink coffee with 'm. They know what they are doing. Few Israeli Jews, amongst whom my father in law, know what they are doing because they are from North Africa or Arabic Countries.

    1. Re:Arabic coffee, anyone? by sudog · · Score: 1

      Yargh! Boiled coffee has more cafestol and kahweol even than French pressed!! Something like twice as much. Time to get your cholesterol checked!! :-)

      NIH's review of current toxicology reports on cafestol and kahweol describes, on pages 2, 9, 10, and 23:

      NIH Toxicology Literature Review

    2. Re:Arabic coffee, anyone? by sjames · · Score: 1

      However, from the same report, cafestol and kahweol seem to have an anti-cancer effect.

  224. Simple: not at all by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I like to drink beer, maybe Cola sometimes. Coffee? That's for geeks.

  225. Favorite coffee and method ... by Keyslapper · · Score: 1

    Easy. Starbucks Sumatra blend. Ground for a french press, and if possible, brewed in same.

    I know they don't (universally) have the best roasting methods, but they seem to get Sumatra just right (for me, anyway). I always find it to be a sweet, brew with a great bold taste. On occasion I have it black, never, ever with sugar. When possible, raw (unpasturized) cream. Even my wife can drink it black, though she disagrees with my no sugar policy.

    As for brewing method, well, my favorite is the french press. In a pinch, like when I have a few extra minutes before catching the train, I use the My-K-Cup in my Keurig. Two filters, brewed on the large cup setting puts me right for the day. If I don't have time before leaving for work, I have to settle for the crap K-Cups we have at work (that machine doesn't take the My-K-Cup).

  226. Favorite Method by heyitsgogi · · Score: 1

    It's a little more obsessive, but my favorite method is to buy the beans green and roast them at home -- that way I know their age. You can buy fancy roasters for hundreds of dollars, but I do it on my front porch with a pyrex bowl and a paint-remover gun (basically an industrial-strength hair dryer)... you just need to keep the beans moving and at around 400 degrees Farenheit for about fifteen to twenty minutes. voila. Fresh coffee. Then I use a stove-top italian coffee maker. It's simple, it works well, and makes excellent coffee. Oh yeah! and I recommend a burr grinder instead of one of those pulse grinders -- you get a nice, even grind, as opposed to the gravel and powder that always comes from a pulse grinder.

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  227. Use canned already ground coffee by ebvwfbw · · Score: 1
    I used to do all that stuff - grinding, press, even had a microwave maker by Black and Decker which I don't think is for sale anymore. In the end after decades of drinking coffee I simply put in a filter, use the cheapest ground stuff I can find and call it a day. Better yet, the cheapest usually ends up being Maxwell House. They seem to have a good handle on the clinker issue so you end up with good coffee all the time. Love to smell it too.

    This is in contrast to Starbucks junk which I sometimes get when I'm not in the office. It seems to always taste and smell burnt. I wish there was a "Not burnt starbucks" store. Duncan Donuts seems to have consistently good coffee.

    The best damn coffee I ever had was at the Pentagon Ritz, years ago. I think it was made by a chef. I have no idea what it cost, I was there as a guest. In fact my mouth is watering just thinking about it. As I recall everyone that drank it was also wide awake. I have also had typical hotel type coffee from the Ritz.

  228. caffeine is nacrotic by mapkinase · · Score: 1

    When I tasted coffee first time in my life I despised the taste at the first second. But then the caffeine kicked in and the taste did not seem that bad anymore. This briefly descibes how addiction works.

    I drink coffee for caffeine. So I bought the cheepest espresso maker. I buy small amount of French roasted beans at Giant and grind them at the store at "Turkish" (the most fine) or "Espresso" (next to the most fine) setting.

    There are 2 parameters you can regulate: amount of water and amount of grinded coffee. Playing with those two will allow you to satisfy either your taste (higher concentration of caffeine) or brain (higher amount of caffeine).

    If you put more water at the same amount of coffee you will get more caffeine, but less concentration of it.

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  229. Fresh Beans by olclops · · Score: 1

    I live in Dallas. There's a wonderful indie coffee shop called Drip on Lover's Lane. The owner roasts all his beans himself and puts the roasting date on the bag, throwing every batch out after ten days. In my experience, freshness makes a HUGE difference. Grinding and brewing coffee that's been roasted the same day tastes far superior to any other coffee I've had. It almost has a naturally sweet taste.

  230. WTF is this doing on Slashdot? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What is this, did Martha Stewart buy slashdot.org? "Editors", I know you're desperate for content, but COME ON, this is insulting. I wish there were a way to mutiny, and take the site back into hands that care about not letting it run to SHIT.

  231. obligatory line... by tyzephyr · · Score: 1

    sorry, but it's a requirement of my mental sanity to say this every time a coffee topic is brought up... "I like my coffee like like I like my men... tossed in a bag and carried over a burro"

  232. Roast your own for the best coffee by You+Don't+Know+Me · · Score: 1

    I buy green coffee from Sweet Maria's ( Tom at http://sweetmarias.com/ is a true coffee "Mad Scientist") roast them myself (a wide variety of gadgets are available, I use a bbq roaster from Ron http://rkdrums.com/ ) wait a day or two for the flavor to fully develop (depends on the bean, follow Tom's directions)then make espresso (or Americano) in a mostly automatic Solis Master 5000 (see http://sweetmarias.com/prod.solis-espresso.shtml ).

    If you don't want to roast your own, you can buy roasted coffee from Tom at SweetMarias.com - he ships it the day it's roasted, so when you get it a couple of days later it's ready to drink.

    In a pinch (either time or money), buy roasted coffee from Costco - many stores roast it in house so the stuff you buy was green beans a few days ago. They roast much of it a little darker than I like, but it's fresh.

    Don't drink burnt coffee that's been sitting around for weeks, the darker roasts obliterate the character of the bean (with some of the crap green coffee the majors use this can be a blessing).

  233. and keep it clean by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Above all, a decent pressure espresso machine makes the best for me. But it has to be kept clean. When steam gets pressed into the beans, the temperature is very hot, and melts a variety of oils. When these oils hit the espresso spout which is cooler, they stick to the spout. This tar causes bitterness and tastes very recognisable.
    I have tasted this bitterness in stove top espressos, french press (which I have always called a plunger) and dripulators, and from qyite a few cafes.

      My mate who was a barista used to get this powder (which he called rather cleverly coffe machine cleaner) which I would then put in the coffee basket and then make a cup of coffee machine cleaner. Then another cup of joe which got chucked. After this rigmarole the coffee was much sweeter and had much more crema.
    He reckoned that any decent cafe should wash their machines like that at least daily, but for home use around once a week.
    For me in brisbane, though, di bella is pretty good,or merlos which is roasted locally.

    Also, I have always preffered a flat white coffee (an australianism?) Which is very similar to what most people may call a cafe latte or a cafe au lait. A shot of espresso with steamed milk. Wherever I go in the world, this is what I try to get. For me the worst country to drink coffee is England. This is a country that only really heard of espresso machine when starbucks rolled in. They make great tea there though.
    I reckon the best coffees I tasted were.
    Switzerland has this cup called a schale which I believe means shell.
    Surprisingly for me in chile a lot of coffee in restaraunts still is instant, but they have these Mens coffee bars with girls in skimpy outfits selling really quite good espresso. Most people I know don't like american coffee. Too bitter, to weak.

    1. Re:and keep it clean by Creepy · · Score: 1

      steam is bad - it usually is forced through the grinds at a pressure of 3 bars or less and the optimal pressure is about 9 bars (most pump systems are 14-15 bars). Optimal temperature is about 190F (88C) and steam is 212F (100C). This is why steam espresso makers tend to make a more bitter coffee with less flavor than pump espresso makers.

      I agree, the machines can get dirty and leave a bad flavor. I clean my espresso maker with vinegar and water every couple of months (then run more water to clean it out) and I always wipe the contact plate to clean off loose grounds.

      American coffee varies widely - from the fairly strong brewed coffee I bring to work every day to the thin, watered down Folger's my great aunt makes (about the consistency of a light green tea - think an espresso poured into a 4 liter jug and then adding water to it until the jug is full - she brews a 1/4 pot with 1 scoop of coffee and then adds 3/4 pot of hot water). I like fresh ground American-style coffee black but I usually prefer espresso with steamed milk, more because it's easier on my stomach than shots, especially in the morning.

      I have to admit, the best coffee I've had is in the USA, but mainly because I was friends with an importer/roaster and got incredibly freshly roasted beans for a while (most of the time still warm) before he went out of business. Now I usually get Caribou or Fair Trade, the latter more because I know several people that work for an organization attached than the taste. The USA is also where the worst coffee I've ever had was brewed (great auntie's "coffee"). I can say the same for beer - as much as I love German black, amber, and sweet wheat beers and the English Boddingtons, the best I've ever had was a home brew wheat beer in the USA and the worst I've ever had was a wheat-rice beer in the USA (the randomly skanked Black Label is the winner, but it's closely followed by several similars including Bud, Coors, Miller, Blatz, RW&B, etc).

  234. Eight O'Clock Coffee by istvaan · · Score: 1

    Eight O'Clock Coffee used to be a house brand when A&P was still the big thing. It's since been spun off into its own brand. You can find that many grocers carry it -- you can't miss the big red bag. Whole bean is my favorite, although they sell pre-ground. I grind at home as I make each pot with a standard drip brew, storing the bag in the freezer. It's a strong, smooth, "coffee-flavored" coffee. Good for the early morning commute and a cup after work.

  235. Simple: Fresh roast, fresh grind, Vacuum pot by bourne · · Score: 1

    The best method of brewing is a Vacuum Pot. The technical reasoning is that it keeps the water at the optimum temperature during the brewing process, but my experience bears this out as well. For simplicity I use a Bodum Electric Vacuum Pot - don't get scared away by all the gas-lamp-heated ones you'll see online.

    I have also experienced the difference that truly fresh beans can make. To get fresh coffee, I roast my own (an roaster goes for $100-$500 depending on quality). Once roasted, bean freshness degrades over a period of days or weeks; once ground, freshness degrades over a matter of hours. So I roast a small amount and try to use it within two weeks. I buy my green beans from Sweet Maria's and they've got lots of text on the site to get you educated.

  236. My review on the Poop Coffee (Kopi Luwak) by meanween · · Score: 1

    I tried kopi luwak coffee last week (and actually the week before as well), so I've had the oppertunity to consume 2 generous mugs of this stuff. The coffee was obtained by my brother, I believe for approx. 150 dollars for a half pound (I could be wrong on that, I would have to check). It was brewed at home in a regular drip coffee maker. I'm not a coffee connoisseur but I have tried various coffees and when sampling a new coffee I always taste it black before determinging if I need cream & sugar. To cut down on the to the bitterness I normally add some light cream and sugar to most coffees. The Luwak is interesting because the bitter flavors are almost non-existent to the point where I enjoyed the coffee black with just a little sugar, similar to the way I would consume most espresso's. The roast and flavor was lighter than what I'm used to but all in all it's an excellent coffee. I'm aware of another coffee that lacks the bitter components to this degree without sacrificing flavor. It's different but I don't know if it's worth the cost, but I would recommend trying it if you're a coffee lover and you're given the oppertunity. When you consider that these coffee cherries have been consumed, pooped, cleaned then roasted it doesn't seem that dirty to me as I'd assume the roasting process would hopefully kill anything bad that might have been in there. Hopefully :)

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    1. Re:My review on the Poop Coffee (Kopi Luwak) by lupinstel · · Score: 1

      There was some sort of link between civets and SARS but I don't think anything was proven, especially from civet crap coffee.
      http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/3409359.st m
      http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/3405493.st m

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  237. I don't know about you folks by laejoh · · Score: 1

    but I don't use water, i use THE BLOOD OF A THOUSAND VIRGINS.

    lalala lalala lalalala... meless filter

    1. Re:I don't know about you folks by Dugster · · Score: 1

      I find the idea of using the blood from children under 10 years of age completely reprehensible.Shame on you.BTW,how is the flavor?

  238. Re:Simplicity - camp style by ehud42 · · Score: 1

    Camping with my coffee adicted brother-in-law a few years back made me appreciate good coffee.

    His method was simple:

    1) Fill old coffee can with lake water
    2) Set in camp fire until the water was at a rolling boil
    3) Throw in a handfull of ground coffee
    4) Wait a few minutes and serve.

    Strain the grounds with your teeth.

    At 5am, in the middle of the bush, after a lousy nights sleep - it actually isn't that bad....

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  239. Fair Trade varieties? by ehud42 · · Score: 1

    While on the topic of coffee, what about fair trade varieties?

    I met someone who has their own coffee shop complete with in house roasting / grinding facilities and his complaint was that fair trade lacked both the taste and basic quality (had too many stones and twigs in it to risk running thru his grinder).

    Any suggestions for at home?

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  240. one word... espresso by garwain · · Score: 1

    I have a decent espresso machine, and I buy fresh beans weekly at a local shop that guarantees their beens to be roasted that morning. I have my own grinder, and have worked out the exact size of a handfull of beans it takes to make a decent 3 shots. Since my machine keeps the water heated, it takes me approx 2 minutes to make a good mug of espresso, or an extra 30 seconds if I feel like a cappichino. ALways keep the beans in an airtight container, in the dark, and never grind more beans than needed! I could save money by buying a larger bag of beans, or bulk, but I find that one week is about as long as I can keep them fresh. After that, the they loose their flavor FAST.

    1. Re:one word... espresso by Overzeetop · · Score: 1

      I'm lazy, and I use an el cheapo drip coffee maker (love espresso, don't have the tolerance for the caffeine or the time/$$ for a machine), but you're right about the short shelf life. I go through about a pound of coffee every 5 weeks (I get my hair cut in a shop above a local coffee shop that roasts their own - one cut, on lb of coffee). Sadly, after a week, the coffee loses it's essence, but it's still better than nothing. This month I vaccum sealed and froze 3/4 of the lb...we'll see if it holds up. I've got my fingers crossed.

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  241. Don't burn it! by wembley+fraggle · · Score: 1

    There are a number of good ways to make coffee. I use a melitta filter, which is just a plastic cone on top of a coffeepot. It cost me about eight dollars. You heat water in a teakettle and pour it through the filter. I also, on occasion, make "Toddy" coffee, which is a cold-process brew. You let coffee grounds sit with water for about 24h, and filter out the result, which goes into the 'fridge. Then you mix about a 2:1 ratio of boiling water with the cold Toddy. It's very good, and can make delicious stuff out of subpar beans.

    The most important thing to do is keep the heatplate off. Coffee burns very quickly on a hotplate. If you need to keep your coffee warm for a while, use a thermos.

    As far as beans go, other people have mentioned that there is a lot of overrated crap out there. Two places I strongly recommend are Peets www.peets.com and Blue Bottle Coffee Co http://www.bluebottlecoffee.net/ Peets is bigger and better-known. Blue Bottle, on the other hand is simply, hands down, undeniably, the best dang coffee I've ever had, period. It's that much better than everyone else. As a bonus, Blue Bottle has good instructions for brewing your coffee.

  242. Dad's coffee by The+Fun+Guy · · Score: 3, Funny

    How I did it before I had kids:

    1. Open the freezer and take out the 5:1 mixture of Kona mild roast and Kenya AAA dark roast beans, which I stored in an air-tight plastic tub.
    2. Measure exactly 1/4 cup of beans into my grinder, add 1 teaspoon of ground chicory, which I stored air-tight but at room temperature.
    3. Grind medium fine and pour half into the bleach-free Melita filters in my Braun drip machine.
    4. Grind the remainder extra fine and add to the filter.
    5. Fill the machine with the filtered water I'd let stand overnight to outgas the chlorine, and start the machine.
    6. While coffee is brewing, use a soft-tipped brush to clean out the grinder and put the coffee and chicory away.
    7. Pour the coffee into a my very clean mug, reserved just for coffee, just as the pot finishes brewing. Enjoy the appearance, aroma and intense flavor of the first sip, and let the flavor bloom through each subsequent sip.
    8. Discard any coffee that's been sitting on the warmer for more than 30 minutes, and make it fresh.
    9. Wash pot, filter, lid and mugs by hand with very hot water and a mild Alconox solution, to remove residues. Dry with a soft towel and replace, ready for the next pot.

    How I do it now, with four kids:

    1. If there isn't any cold coffee left from yesterday, open can of Folger's.
    2. Put four or five scoops into the paper filter I got in bulk at Costco, in my Braun drip machine.
    3. Fill pot with water straight from the tap. Add to machine. Press button.
    4. Feed kids while coffee is brewing.
    5. Pour coffee into whatever mug's closest, as soon as I get the chance. Drink. Repeat until either pot is empty, or I have to go to work.
    6. Leave empty mug, empty pot on counter. Go to work.

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  243. coffee - ick by CheeseTroll · · Score: 1

    My favorite method? Walk up to vending machine, insert dollar. Hit 'D'. Retrieve bottle of Diet Dew.

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  244. Properly made coffee tastes very different! by tkjtkj · · Score: 1

    Yes, the quality of the coffee does matter, but its not hard nor is it physically burdensome to prepare, good ground coffee.. The trick, though, is in another direction entirely! ...ie: how the coffee is made.. and unless one has tasted expresso coffee properly made, with frothed milk, then one has not experienced what good coffee can be .. The difference is not trivial! it is HUGE .. it will taste totally unlike anything that can possibly come out of a 'drip' or a 'percolator' or a 'french press' ... THere is something about the pressure and temperatures of the coffee itself and the frothed milk that cause them both to undergo some chemical transformation... to become different molecules .. there's no other explanation. Hints: use any dark roasted coffee.. need not even be quite dark! Tamp it down in its holder ..but not too much .. not too little!.. perhaps a dash of salt! Then use an expresso machine (such as any of the Breville models http://www.breville.com/ that closely controls the water temperature.. You might put your favorite sweetener (sugar, or artificial..eg..'Equal' tabs.. 3 of them!) into the receiving cup. Then, using again, a 'temperature controlled' device, froth the milk.. the frothing steam must be 'dry' , not 'wet with water droplets' .. Raise and lower the frothing cup into which has been poured perhaps 1/2 inch of milk, not cream! .. or even better: use that 'Fat Free' 'Half and Half' found in supermarkets. Have it cold! let the frothing steam work til it expands the volume of milk to expand to many times its size.. the point is to get the milk not only to be frothed , but to approach 140 deg.F. !! you dont need a thermometer .. Feeling the bottom of the steel frothing cup is enough 'technology' ... at 140 you cant touch except for an instant without it hurting.. pour the LIQUID of the frothing cup into the now-brewed expresso .. then at the top you might want to spoon some of the 'bubbly foam' that's always formed.... then: taste what youve created! it will surprise you! (my recipe: 3 'Equal tabs into the expresso receiving glass or cup.. a machine that can make 'double shots' , and the 'Fat Free' Half 'n Half .. makes for nearly zero calories, which is great, cuz you can then have it even more frequently!

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  245. Walk across street to Dunkin Donuts by clf8 · · Score: 1

    Make coffee? Sounds like effort to me. I walk across the street to Dunkin and have hot steaming brew right away. Definitely prefer Dunkin to Starbucks, IMHO they overroast their beans to where the coffee has a burnt flavor. Honestly, McD's brew is pretty good too.

  246. what about the water? by poot_rootbeer · · Score: 1


    I'm amazed that none of the high-modded comments so far have addressed the issue of water quality.

    You can use the finest beans, at the peak of freshness, roasted and ground to perfection, but if your water's of poor quality the end product is going to be of poor quality as well.

    If your local tap water is clean, and not overly chlorinated, fluoridated, or sulfurous, by all means use it to brew. But if you don't like drinking it straight from the tap, don't make coffee with it, either. Your local supermarket is sure to have a variety of spring waters (or even distilled water, if that's your preference) that will improve the taste of your brew.

  247. nespresso by l_km_n · · Score: 1

    it's a bit expensive, but the coffee is absolutely perfect: http://www.nespresso.com/

  248. Fresh Roasted is the way to go by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I recent had a relative purchase a Coffee Roaster for me after he realized how much I enjoy a good cup of coffee. I feel that when it comes to flavor that this is the way to go. It works similar to a hot air popcorn popper in which it takes the raw bean and exposes it to intense heat. From there I put it in my mill grinder, I feel they work much better than a blade grinder. For the coffee maker itself I just use a standard Braun auto-drip, in which I clean it weekly. I think the type of bean becomes a matter of personal preference but I prefer a Kenya or an Ethiopian bean to start with.

  249. Tassimo and All-French by TheNicestGuy · · Score: 1

    Two things:

    First of all, I had never heard of Braun's Tassimo machine until I started a new job and there was one in the break room. (Quick explanation: It reads a barcode on specially marketed pods of coffee, espresso, tea, cocoa, etc. and automatically uses the appropriate amount and temperature of water.) My first thought was, "Hey, what a cool gadget! Glad I'm not paying for the T-Discs..." My second thought was, "Ooh, the T-Discs are Gevalia! Good stuff!" But my third thought was, "What the hell is this crap? Tastes like caffeinated dishwater!" Honestly, we've had a good number of different T-Discs come through, and all the coffee, espresso, and cocoa has tasted like ass. The only exception was an Italian import called Mastro Lorenzo. I don't know, maybe the filter needs changing or something.

    So I make my coffee the finicky DIY way, with a French press. Regarding freshness, my experience is what you originally expected: that the freshness of the beans is far less important than the freshness of the grind. I always get my generic bulk French roast beans at the same supermarket, about a half-pound at a time, and use the in-store grinder. It's obvious that they sell through their bulk beans slowly, and I've gotten beans both from the dregs and from a fresh refill. (Of course, I don't know anything about how "fresh" a fresh refill actually is, so I'm assuming a few things.) No huge difference leapt out at me, but there is an enormous difference between the first wonderful cup of my bag and the last cup that I can't always even bring myself to brew. That last cup sometimes makes me check prices on a conical-burr grinder for the office.

    Now the French press itself is a tricky thing. A drip maker is very convenient, and I've got no complaints about drip-brewed coffee. But if you truly want to understand what makes your coffee tick, and just how much potential it has, there's nothing like a French press. It's a variables-balancing game. The temperature of the water is easy: just below boiling. And obviously the amount of water depends on how much coffee you want. You can play with the grind, but it seems like the coarsest possible is always best. But then there's this delicate interaction between the amount of grounds and the steeping duration. If you can get it just right, you'll wonder where all that flavor was hiding in this coffee you thought you knew so well. And if you oversteep by forty-five seconds you'll wonder what jackass poured vinegar into your mug. My best results have come from just a little more grounds than I think I need, and an even four minutes. And the most important lesson I learned was to resist the temptation to stir while it's steeping. It's got to take its time, man.

  250. Ethiopian Fair Trade by bingo_tailspin · · Score: 1
  251. Re:Chemex paper squares by Seannon · · Score: 1

    Actually no... I have dealt with the Chemex system pretty much all my life. I grew up in a biochem lab environment, and the filters that we got from them actually were made at the same place that made the really good filters for the lab. they were at the time just reboxed... Chemex was developed by Chemists for their own use... it, like many other lab related items were simply "Discovered" because someone visited a lab and went WOW!!!! THAT is COOL!!! when the creators were just being themselves... take Post It's, and Kevlar as an example... those, unlike Chemex were mistakes gone horribly right... whereas Chemex was born of necessity... think of a Lab without Caffeine?

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  252. My favorite way to make coffee by bdonalds · · Score: 1

    What is Your Favorite Way to Make Coffee?
    cd /opt/drinks/java
    ./configure --without-cream --without-sugar
    make
    make install
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  253. stupid coffee snobs by Thaelon · · Score: 1

    here's my preferred method, optimized for laziness:
      1. get a scoop that is perfectly sized to the amount of coffee you want in one cup
      2. Sit your mug in the sink and run hot water out of the tap into your mug until you get hot water and a hot mug
      3. While that is going on, scoop one scoop of ground coffee into a 1 cup sized french press
      4. Pour the hot water into the press from the mug
      5. Put the lid on the press but leave the plunger at the top
      6. Jiggle the press to break up the clump of grounds at the top
      7. Wait an irrelevant amount of time, anywhere from 10 seconds to a few minutes
      8. Press the plunger down, pour the coffee into the hot mug
      9. Rinse the press
      10. Drink
      11. STFU and quit being coffee snobs. Most of your theories regarding how to make coffee would not stand up to scientific testing. Congratulations, you're experts on your own opinions.

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    1. Re:stupid coffee snobs by llthomps · · Score: 1

      Two things:

      1) You're using an 11 step process that involves pre-warming your mug and a french press and calling other people snobs?
      2) According to "scientific testing", you get drastically reduced caffeine extraction at the temperatures you'd get from tap water. You need near boiling water (200 degrees) for the best flavor and caffeine extraction.

    2. Re:stupid coffee snobs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      2. Sit your mug in the sink and run hot water out of the tap into your mug until you get hot water and a hot mug You really shouldn't use hot tap water
    3. Re:stupid coffee snobs by Thaelon · · Score: 1

      1) You're using an 11 step process that involves pre-warming your mug and a french press and calling other people snobs?
      You're counting obtaining the materials, and preparing the required equipment for the next cup, and STFU as steps? You sir, are retarded.

      2) According to "scientific testing", you get drastically reduced caffeine extraction at the temperatures you'd get from tap water. You need near boiling water (200 degrees) for the best flavor and caffeine extraction.
      Define drastically in terms of temperature vs. percentage of caffeine extracted. Define "best flavor" in non-opinion terms. Cite your source. My coffee is still plenty strong enough to give me the shakes so I'm not worried about caffeine extraction.

      With my process it takes less than a minute to go from wanting coffee to drinking coffee and that includes being ready to brew the next cup. I don't have to empty a filter, get a new one, throw the grounds away or wash anything. If I itemized using a traditional coffee pot in that much detail it would probably be twenty steps.
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    4. Re:stupid coffee snobs by llthomps · · Score: 1

      1) You're using an 11 step process that involves pre-warming your mug and a french press and calling other people snobs?
      You're counting obtaining the materials, and preparing the required equipment for the next cup, and STFU as steps? You sir, are retarded.

      2) According to "scientific testing", you get drastically reduced caffeine extraction at the temperatures you'd get from tap water. You need near boiling water (200 degrees) for the best flavor and caffeine extraction.
      http://www.chemsoc.org/ExemplarChem/entries/2003 /loughborough_coffee/images/TechnicalReport.pdf

      This should help you optimize your patented 11-step process to make your steps more efficient. That way, next time you post it, you won't have to defend the individual points.
    5. Re:stupid coffee snobs by llthomps · · Score: 1

      1) You're using an 11 step process that involves pre-warming your mug and a french press and calling other people snobs?
      You're counting obtaining the materials, and preparing the required equipment for the next cup, and STFU as steps? You sir, are retarded.

      2) According to "scientific testing", you get drastically reduced caffeine extraction at the temperatures you'd get from tap water. You need near boiling water (200 degrees) for the best flavor and caffeine extraction.


      Ha ha. Okay - I don't see any reason to be a dick about this. You're calling me names instead of acknowledging that your coffee preparation is detailed enough to be worthy or more than three steps. I consider myself a coffee snob and my step by step wouldn't involve anything as detailed as mug warming. Face the facts dude, you're getting bent out shape about your coffee preparation. Whether you like or it, you're a coffee snob - you're just one that's completely unwilling to listen to other coffee snobs, because you're, like...cooler or something. Admit it, you're Emo.

      RE: scientific charts
      Part of me wants to say "look up yourself, you're the naysayer - so prove me wrong." But whatever, here's one that maps the infusion of coffee solubles into water based off temperature and grind.

      http://www.chemsoc.org/ExemplarChem/entries/2003/l oughborough_coffee/images/TechnicalReport.pdf

      This should help you optimize your patented 11-step process to make your steps more efficient. That way, next time you post it, you won't have to defend the individual points.
  254. start with green beans (or at least a grinder)! by zark · · Score: 1
    My personal solution:
    • I roast my own. I use a Hearthware Precision roaster. I buy my green beans from http://www.coffeeco.com.au/ (you have to go to the 'Orders' page to see the green bean options). I roast Mocha Harar, Brazil Cerrado, and New Guinea Peaberry separately, using smell and colour to judge when it is done rather than the timer, and then mix them together before grinding.
    • I use a proper burr grinder; a Gaggia MDF. I only grind what I need immediately (which actually means I'd be better off with a doserless grinder compared to the MDF, but hey).
    • I use a classic Bialetti Moka Express (those stovetop octagonal aluminium things).

    The biggest thing is the fresh grind. Pre-ground coffee is just awful.
    Using green beans means you can buy in bulk and not worry about freshness; green beans last for a long time.
    One day I'll buy a proper espresso machine, but I just don't have a spare $AU 2k+ to drop on that at the moment.
  255. Espresso all the way by acb · · Score: 1

    Coming from a city which was virtually colonised by Italians in the 1950s, I have grown used to coffee made using an espresso machine, and don't drink coffee made by any other means.

    The problem is that having an espresso machine and knowing how to use it are two different things. In Melbourne, pretty much any cafe (at least in the inner city) will have staff who can make a decent cup of coffee. In London (where I live now), every cafe/bar has an espresso machine, but the quality of the coffee is often much worse. (Especially in chain cafes with conspicuously Italian names like Costa.)

    Apparently, making a good espresso comes down to three things: having 15 bars of steam pressure, having sharp blades when grinding the beans (blunt blades burn the beans, making for bitter coffee) and making the coffee short (i.e., running relatively little steam/water through the ground beans; a common mistake is to run lots of water through them).

  256. Ethiopian Toddy by szilagyi · · Score: 1

    I generally drink a toddy brewed with Ethiopian beans roasted (with a hot air roaster) and ground at home. This is a very sweet and complex cup and very easy on the stomach. Honestly, I would prefer a ristretto in milk with the same beans and a better grinder. That extracts more of the flavor. But a good espresso machine is not yet in my cards. Someday.

    Good post, more people should be aware of cold brew. It's a great cup, relatively cheap and easy, so quite cost-competitive with the muddy piss generally drunk around here (US) giving everyone heartburn.

  257. Folgers.. the richest kind. hehe (my method) by Maxo-Texas · · Score: 1


    Coffee filters are about .5 cents each so I buy 200 "Brew Rite" filters and I put 3 heaping spoonfuls in one of them and staple it close (making a kind of tea bag) and then I hook a paper clip to the staple.

    Then I fill a cup with hot water from the coffee machine (failing that I fill a cup and microwave it to boiling).

    Then I make my coffee like tea- dipping the bag and taking it in and out of the water until it is ready.

    I can also let the coffee bag steep for a while until it is cool enough to drink.

    My poison of preference is medium roast folgers. I'm told "brown gold" is a very good premium like coffee for only about $15 a can. I pay $6 for mine for 2 pounds ($3 a pound). I can't imagine what they pay for the dark roast they provide for free because it is not as good as $6 coffee.

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    She was like chocolate when she drank... semi-sweet at first and then increasingly bitter.
  258. Freshness and heat are the key by popsicle67 · · Score: 1

    After you carefully grind(not chop) your beans, you have to have a coffee maker with an insulated caraf so that the only heating is done to the water in the brewing process. Heating plates under brewed coffee burn the delicate brew and cause to be released all of the acids that make coffe bitter and undrinkable. The best maker I have found is the Black and Decker space saver with insulated caraf. Another thing to remember is, Don't scrimp on the beans. Life is too short to drink lousy coffee

  259. Dirty sock - Colombian Supremo by badc0ffee · · Score: 1
    I LOVE dirty sock coffee using fresh Colombian supremo beans smuggled directly from Colombia. Grind the beans in an antique coffee mill picked up at a garage sale.

    But then again, don't take my advice, just look at my /. ID.

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  260. My way... by wpiman · · Score: 1

    1. Lay on couch.
    2. Ask girlfriend for coffee.
    3. Wait
    4. Coffee magically appears.

  261. Run it through an animal's intestine first! by KlomDark · · Score: 1

    Apparently this is the rage in Australia right now. Cat Poo Coffee:

    http://www.reuters.com/article/lifestyleMolt/idUSS YD8159120070516?src=051607_0854_ARTICLE_PROMO_also _on_reuters

    Bunch of Savages, I tell ya.

  262. Controlling the Variables by nickjeswald · · Score: 1

    I am a rather heavy user when it comes to coffee. I would say that of the four variables one can control when extracting coffee (age of roasted bean, extraction method, water temperature, grind coarseness), age of the roasted bean is the most critical. The flavorful chemical compounds which give coffee its more subtle flavors decay quickly, leaving the user with only the "pine-tar" and "charcoal" flavors in as little as 3 weeks after roasting. If anyone's interested in my thoughts at length, I actually have a blog entry on the subject on my MySpace page: www.myspace.com/nickjeswald

  263. Arabic coffee, anyone? - YES!! by fortunatus · · Score: 1

    I am a serious Arabic coffee drinker. Hurray to find another on Slashdot!!

    In my opinion there is no need to add sugar. The Cardamom is kind of a sweet taste. But perhaps a slight, slight touch of sugar may bring out the Cardamom a little more?

    I elaborate on my own method below:

    - Put 1 measuring cup of water in a middle-eastern coffee making pot. This can be like a tall narrow saucepan, but it is more frequently shaped like a cone with the wide part at the base and a long metal handle at the top openning. (In emergency or simply to try out Arabic coffee I would go ahead and use the smallest saucepan I have.)

    - Put in 1 level tablespoon of Arabic coffee that has the cardamom. Brands can be Najjar or Tazah or others. I prefer Tazah if you can get it. More or less to taste once you've tried it, but more loses the nuances of flavor quickly.

    - If Arabic brands cannot be found, make your own coffee by purchasing the best French roast your local roaster can recommend, have it ground to the finest Turkish setting possible. The coffee should truly, truly be a powder. When you measure out the tablespoon, add a crushed cardamom seed.

    - Bring to boil on stove. When the coffee begins to foam up, use the long handle to swing the pot away from the heat. When to foam goes down, swing it back. Repeat this until the coffee boils without foaming.

    - The cooking is done. Wait for about 1 to 2 minute with the pot covered for the grounds to settle. Decant into some kind of tiny cup: if not an Arabic coffee cup, then an espresso cup or classical demi-tasse will do. You should get about 3 to 4 of these little servings.

    As you sip, the serving of coffee is done once you start to get to the grounds. At that point fortune telling may be engaged in - I prefer to serve myself another.

  264. Sweet Maria's by llthomps · · Score: 1

    The best thing you can do for your coffee drinking is to go to Sweet Maria's - a home coffee roasting/hobbyist site, that specializes in providing people the most/best ways to drink their coffee. I currently have the following brew devices in my house.





    I roast my coffee with a $10 popcorn popper and get better tasting coffee than I can from any place in Austin.

  265. Pure and simple by kaaona · · Score: 1

    I keep my whole beans in the freezer. About once a week I refill the ~2 cup hopper in my burr grinder. I grind the beans very fine just before use and put the fresh grounds in one of those gold plated filter baskets. I use a 20-year-old 10/12-cup Mr. Coffee. I use distilled water (I also have a 1 gallon distiller) so there's no lime or other dissolved minerals to clog the innards of the Mr. Coffee or to taint the flavor of the brewed coffee. In 15 minutes I have a pot of rich, full-flavored coffee ready for my thermos. Cleanup is a snap because the used grounds are so fine they go right down the disposal.

    My personal preference is Hawaiian Kona coffee. I'm afraid such coffee is sold under false pretenses though because it typically contains only 10% Kona beans. The other 90% could be sawdust for all I know.

  266. "fresh" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'd like to clarify that "fresh" beans are beans that were ROASTED RECENTLY. Almost all beans come to the USA from distant locations, and are shipped in green bean form. Starbucks (for example), roasts all their beans in Seattle and then ships them nationwide. Dunn Bros. (google them if you're curious) roasts beans in each of their coffee shops almost every day. Before I stopped drinking coffee/caffiene I was buying all my coffee from them because the flavor was insanely great. I'm convinced that the intensity of the flavor of coffee has a *lot* to do with how recently (and how carefully) it was roasted. If the beans are greasy or sweaty looking, don't waste your time.
    I ground my own whole beans and I also eventually started using a Melita system to brew. Melita makes filters, but they also make these filter-holder thingys that can sit on top of a pot or cup. You boil water, then pour HOT water on the fresh ground coffee. DAMN that was GOOD!

  267. MMMMM Coffee!!! by certain+death · · Score: 0

    I prefer a dirty sock and pot of boiling jack daniels, or even dirty under shorts and boiling vokda!

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  268. here are the ways I know by fortunatus · · Score: 1

    - boil coarse grind in a pot, shoot a little cold water at the end to settle the grounds (cowboy coffee)
    - boil coarse grind in a pot with chicory, egg, and eggshells. (you don't drink the egg nor the eggshells)
    - filter drip, either filter over cup, coffee maker, or whatever.
    - French press
    - percolator
    - Arabic coffee with touch of cardamom boiled in a middle eastern coffee pot
    - Turkish coffee boiled in middle eastern coffee pot
    - Greek coffee with a load of sugar boiled in middle eastern coffee pot
    - Vietnamese dripped through a Vietnamese dripper over a cup with condensed milk at the bottom (my god it is the best desert coffee)

    Those are the ones I have the equipment for and know how to do. The following might be the best in the world, but as yet I depend upon a local restaurant family for the practice:

    - Etheopian: green coffee beans, roasted by hand in a special skillet, brought out while still smoking so that the aroma can be enjoyed in order to stimulate anticipation, ground and boiled in a clay flask that is spherical on the bottom and has a very narrow neck, the neck of the flask stuffed with woody fibrous substance as a filter, then finally decanted into tiny cups. the flask is rested in a round loop of basketry.

  269. Aeropress Espresso is the only way to fly by buddahrock · · Score: 1

    You might be a geek, but you have taste, so you need the ultimate coffee utility accessory, a $25 plastic AeroPress espresso maker, made by the fine folks who make frisbees and whoopee cushions. http://aerobie.com/Products/aeropress.htm

    I have two of these, one at home (that we also take camping) and one at the office that I let the hot chicks use from time to time.

    Now, just buy a bag of fresh beans at your local *bucks, have them grind it to espresso settings, stick it in a tupperware and start impressing the ladies in your office with your sweet smelling, great tasting, only-I-have-it-and-you-jackholes-in-accounting-wis h-you-were-this-cool, handmade coffee.

  270. One more for the "freshly roasted" bandwagon. by Xiphia · · Score: 1

    I recently bought a basic home coffee roaster (Freshroast Plus 8) and grinder (Gaggia MM Burr Grinder) and a selection of unroasted green coffee beans.

    The difference is incredible... even the bean varieties I ended up liking *least* are noticeably better than the best gourmet coffees I'd had before. The beans I like *best*... well it's an entirely different beverage.

    I dont use anything special to do the brewing, in fact, Im still using the same devices Ive had for years... a very basic drip coffee maker (I think I bought it from Sears), a very basic Black & Decker espresso maker, and a one-cup bodum.

    From what Ive observed so far, the bean variety, darkness of roast, and fineness of grind seem to make far more of a difference in the end-product than the device used for brewing. I may someday try out some fancier brewers to compare, but for now I dont really see the need.

    My favourite bean variety so far is Costa Rican "La Amistad". My s.o., who tends to likes stronger flavours than I do, has gone totally ballistic over Sulawesi Kolossi. Other beans weve enjoyed: Guatamalan Huehuetenango, Mexico Hacienda Miravalles, and a blend called Espresso Choco.

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  271. Water temperature and fresh beans make the diff by Snutr · · Score: 1

    You can improve the quality of your coffee considerably by simply using fresh beans. It's easy to roast your own and I do so by using the drum/grill/rotisserie method.

    The second way of improving your coffee is to ensure that the temperature of the water is at or near 200 degrees F. After that, simply go with which ever method you find the most convenient or "cool".

    A low cost method to a great cup is the "Melita method" where you put the coffee in a filter in a holder over a cup and simply pour near boiling water over the top. Bring the water to a boil, then shut off the heat, wait until water stops boiling and then pour over the grounds in the filter. Doing it this way (like drip machines) prevents over extraction.

    A real cool way of making coffee is using a vacuum brewer like a Yama or Bodum Santos. It's wicked fun and makes a great cup of coffee but requires a lot of clean up. Just like the Melita method, it makes coffee at the perfect temperature.

    If you have a drip machine and you don't get great coffee from it, check the temperature. Find an instant read thermometer and check the water as it trickles into the basket. If your water temperature is low, then try cleaning the scale from the heating element using acetic acid or a coffee maker cleaner. If you can't get the temperature up to 190-200 degrees F, then you might want to buy a new coffee maker.

    1. Re:Water temperature and fresh beans make the diff by taradfong · · Score: 1

      For convenience and proper I use a Zojirushi hot water dispenser. With most models you can set and view the temperature. It quietly and conveniently keeps your water hot and ready all day for tea or coffee. Once you have one you will throw out your tea kettle and maybe your coffee maker.

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  272. Make coffee? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nigga' puh-leeeeze. I just tell my biatch to go get me a Caffe Mocha from Starbuck's.

  273. Depends on my mood and how much time I have by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    To answer the question point blank (my significant other would be shocked at a non-sit-on-the-fence initial answer): To get someone else to make it for me. Maybe it's because it so seldom happens - but coffee almost always tastes 'good' when someone else goes through the trouble to make it. And adding sugar can typically overcome any drastic abnormalities present.

    However - I'll agree with many previous posters on 2 points.

    1. Grind freshly roasted coffee. I buy my 'daily runner' in bulk from Costco. Yes! Costco - the store near me roasts their own -daily-. And buying 2 1/2 pounds of Costa Rican (french roasted) for $8!? I can't roast my own cheaper without buying in crazy amounts (I'm not about to sacrifice all the space taken up by my packrat collection of computer paraphenalia for some 25-50lb bags of green beans).
            And then grind it for your specific application
            - french press; my favorite, though takes more time
            - espresso; I use a pump driven refurbished 'barista' model - 2nd highest rating for the $500 market - it's been used multiple times a day for 3 years now, and was ~$200 to buy, no problems yet
            - drip; if using paper filter, wet it prior to dumping your grind in, try to upgrade to thermal carafe so your coffee doesn't cook and turn bitter
            - vacuum pot; this wanna-be coffee snob doesn't have that yet

    2. Roast your own. This presumes you already have a grinder (and not a burr/whip grinder - limited control with those). Perhaps the most time-consuming, but you have the most quality control. I feel the learning curve is somewhat steep (every bean roasts differently, your roaster is different than mine, as is your local ambient temperature and humidity).

    So for those with discerning taste, free time, disposable income and patience - roasting and grinding is still the best way to go imho. Of course it'll still taste better if you can get someone else to brew it for you.

  274. How to make better coffee. by sudog · · Score: 1

    1. Buy high-quality, vetted green coffee beans either from a reputable local specialty roaster *who roasts their own beans either daily or every other day,* or from www.sweetmarias.com.

    2. Roast your own beans. You can get away with a popcorn popper. I do. A small convection drum-roaster costs a few hundred but is worth it if you can control the temperature during the roast. A 6-12 hour resting period *exposed to the air* works well, but experimentation will give you best results since *EVERY* green coffee bean lot no matter what it's labelled is different. Even the same coffee growers from year to year can be drastically different. The length of time it stays in port affects it. What it's sitting next to at port will affect it. Let someone else worry about that stuff. STAY AWAY FROM SUPERMARKET COFFEE. Gross!

    3. Grind your beans *only just the instant* prior to brewing. I use a burr hand-grinder. It's a Peuguot "Nostalgie". Lifetime guarantees rule. Zasserhaus also makes good hand-grinders. DO NOT USE whirly blade grinders. Those pulverise and powder.

    4. Brew in as simple, and therefore cleanable, device as possible. French Press is popular in part because it's easy to keep the mechanism clean and it produces wild and tasty flavours. A vacuum brewer works, and I've heard great things about the AeroPress if you're impatient, want a filter, or have bad cholesterol.

    5. Drink. Most of the coffee you brew this way actually tastes better with no cream nor sugar.

    If you roast, grind, and brew as above, you will never be able to drink another Starbucks again. Every other cup of coffee you taste will be flat and boring at best, or vile on average, or revolting enough to make you gag at worst.

    People who say they don't drink coffee--will drink your coffee. You will obsessively pursue the best green beans, and will begin opening up that gourmet side of yourself you never knew existed. The richness, the amazing quality, will absolutely blow you away.

    Above all, EXPERIMENT. Apply a little scientific method, and keep logbooks. It's a great hobby too!

    1. Re:How to make better coffee. by taradfong · · Score: 1

      Do you like coffee?

      --
      Does it hurt to hear them lying? Was this the only world you had?
    2. Re:How to make better coffee. by sudog · · Score: 1

      Ssshhhh.. Don't tell anyone.

    3. Re:How to make better coffee. by ChaoticLimbs · · Score: 1

      Bah, coffee snob. Nothing is any good if it's good enough for other people (the boobs!).

      Seriously, while I am certain that your method produces a fine cup of coffee, buying pre-roasted coffee and grinding it yourself or grinding it at the grocery store yields perfectly acceptable coffee if you freeze the grounds when you get home. I use a cheap Bialetti stove-top espresso maker and pour it into a filthy glass. I drink it with some cream and a little sugar, and wash it down with half a dozen Wal-Mart donuts.
      The large holes in the Bialetti machine allow a nice fine muddy sludge to form at the bottom of the cup and this is my favorite gritty little treat.
      I drink it in a filthy glass because I am an internet badass and that's how I roll.

  275. Cold Brew is Best for Home by vrimj · · Score: 1

    I use it a lot too. Easy to do on weekends and makes enough for a week. I like the lack of "bite" even though some complain about that, it is smoother tasting. Also fairly cheap and strongly flavored. It also gives a good base for fancy drinks with frothed milk (an immersion blender will do reasonably well) and iced drinks (I like to keep a simple suryp for sweeting). Iced being easy is a big bonus in Florida.

  276. Camping coffee by skintigh2 · · Score: 1

    REI sells a light lexan french press for making coffee on the trail.
    Here's one: http://www.rei.com/product/629245
    but I bought one with a insulation sleeve.

    They also sell a ball the makes ice cream while you hike. I might have to get one of those.

  277. MR_JAVA SAYS by mr_java66 · · Score: 1

    I like making coffee using home-ground whole beans and a standard drip maker.
    And look at my name, that i've had for years, I know.
    :)

  278. Illy !!! you be illin' by hguorbray · · Score: 1

    Ever since going to Italy last summer I have found myself unable to drink regular filter coffee -and the 'gourmet' free by the cup stuff at work tastes insipid.

    We stayed a week outside Sienna, so in the course of shopping at the local Hypermart we discovered Illy coffee and I have never looked back.....

    Too bad it's about 12$ for 8oz, but nothing tastes quite as good.

    Alternatives are: pre-ground Medaglio D'oro from Safeway

    AND French Roast whole beans from FRYs!!! for 6$ a pound -can't beat the price!

    -I'm just sayin'

    1. Re:Illy !!! you be illin' by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We stayed a week outside Sienna
      Funny, so did Jude Law...

      The town is Siena, like the college.

  279. Cuisinart machine by sean.peters · · Score: 1

    I have one of those too, but I eventually stopped using it... for those who haven't seen them, they combine the coffeemaker and grinder into one unit. You put in the beans, filter, and water in the appropriate spots and turn on. The grinder grinds the beans, and once they get small enough to pass through a certain size mesh, they fly out of the grinder, though a little tube, and into the filter basket. Once grinding is done, it perks as usual.

    It makes really good coffee, but the problem is that steam from the perking process gets up into the grinder and tube part, and it becomes a real bitch to get the slightly soggy coffee ground dust cleaned out of there. I switched to a Chemex pot and I've been a lot happier.

  280. Coffee beans by gimplar · · Score: 0
    According to a reliable source there is an art of sorts when it comes to making great coffee. There are three dominant terms when it comes to maximizing flavor (tastiness). These terms are even more important when it comes to espresso but they do apply for drip et al.
    1. Freshness of the roasted bean:
      There is little that you can do to determine how long ago the bean was picked. It is possible however, to approximate how long ago the bean was roasted. After the roasting process a bag of roasted coffee beans will continue releasing small amounts of CO2. Simply take a look at your bag of coffee, it should be puffy. If the bag is not puffy the beans are no longer releasing CO2, furthermore enough time has elapsed so that the pressure inside the bag has been relieved. This bag of coffee is no longer fresh.
    2. Grinding technique of the bean:
      This is more important for espressos but it may affect the quality of drip etc. There are two primary techniques for the grinding of the coffee, the two cylinder burr grinder and the conical bur grinder. Conical bur grinders are superior. The reason is as follows: cylinder burr grinders take in a bean and forcefully crush it, this causes a high amount of heat due to friction and can scorch the grounded coffee. Furthermore you do not have control of coffee grain size and coffee grain size can be wildly inconsistent.
      Conical burr grinders work by allowing beans to fall within a small crevice, the conical burrs then chip away a small portion of the bean. Grains small enough fall through a small gap. This chipping away process flings a chipped bean up and away from the burrs, allowing the bean sufficient time to cool. Furthermore the gap size can be modified, this allows control of grain size. Grain size consistency is also superior. This is important mostly for espresso as your coffee mat density should be uniform. A uniform density allows the even distribution of water pressure across the surface, allowing the maximum extraction of flavor from the grain substrate.
    3. Water temperature and pressure:
      Again this is more important for espresso but it applies to drip as well. Water temperature will directly affect the fullness of the flavor, too cold and you'll be drinking water. Too hot and you'll burn the beans and extract contaminants (which taste like ass). Most drip coffee makers do not make the water hot enough to extract the full flavor.
      Water pressure is much more important for espresso, discussion of water pressure for espresso is beyond the scope of this post.
    Finally you need a good bean provider. If anyone is interested I do a small bit of roasting myself, most of the time I make a bit of a surplus and sell the bags to my friends (it just isn't worth it to roast a tiny amount of beans..far too time consuming) to recoup equipment costs.
    If anyone is interested in these surplus bags you can shoot me an E-mail at CoffeeEmeritus@gmail.com
  281. Cajun method by Nefarious+Wheel · · Score: 1
    For those of you with a taste for alternative alternatives, a word from an old Louisiana girl I knew some years ago on how to make the right pot of coffee:

    You take a pound of coffee, a gallon of water then boil it 'till a horseshoe floats.

    --
    Do not mock my vision of impractical footwear
  282. in a word........Coffee by ole_curmudgeon · · Score: 1

    I can and will fully endorse roasting your own beans. The trick is to:

    a. find some green Costa Rican Tarrazu;
    b. roast it yourself, to a medium [2nd "crack" + 10 seconds][any longer and your just burning the oil (READ: Starbucks)]
            - ensuring that you let the roast cool (most important to facilitate co-mingling of all chemical compounds) for 20 seconds between cracks;
    c. cool it down as fast as possible [large fan];
    d. let it rest overnight;
    e. grind just prior to brewing; and
    f. use metal screen filter (paper traps the oil/flavor).

    Absolutely, consume your fresh roasted beans within 2-3 days. Anything approaching a week is already starting to turn rancid !

    I can guarantee you'll never go back to a tin can of ground crap.

    cheers, from Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada

    'Ole

  283. freshness versus sailing ships by fuliginous · · Score: 1

    What I don't get in this talk about freshness being essential is when people drank coffee in its first waves of popularity it traveled to places like England slowly in sailing ships. How did this super freshness get preserved then?

    I imagine the old names like Taylors of Harrogate must have been roasters and done the work locally.

  284. Columbia/Colombia? by splutty · · Score: 1

    I'm sorry..

    But the spelling 'Columbia' has absolutely bugger all to do with the district or the state. It's spelled 'Columbia' in quite a lot of languages (as in the country that in english is called 'Colombia'), so it really isn't a point of mixing up 2 names, rather than not knowing/using the actual english name for the same country.

    --
    Coz eternity my friend, is a long *ing time.
  285. Cheap Fresh Grind vs. Store Grind by deadfolk · · Score: 1
    I have a question for the coffee experts here:

    I have just bought an aeropress to get me started on the move to good coffee. I can't really afford a good quality burr grinder right now, but would I be better off:

    1. buying a cheaper one (with blades or whatever) which would give me a fresh, albeit lower-quality grind?
    2. not bothering and getting it ground in the shop by their better machine, but having it not being as fresh by the time I use it?
    All (sensible) comments welcome.
  286. Re:Mmmm Coffee... Freshly roasted beans are a MUST by Nezer · · Score: 1

    The Gaggia Espresso is a respectable machine that can be had for $219 at Sweet Marias. The internals are the same as the $500 Gaggia units but the housing isn't a nice polished chrome. Would I be better off with a a Silvia? Maybe, but maybe not. See, I'd want to start dumping money into a Silvia by adding a PID and other junk that will just drain my wallet for marginal gains. I've been down this road with audiophile gear before and I just don't want do do it with coffee. With audiophile gear it got to the point where I was just hearing the noise and distortion in my system and not listening to the music. I don't want my coffee experience to be the same. (I can draw a LOT of parallels between audiophiles and espresso nazis.)

    I haven't dropped the $250 on the Gaggia not because I haven't saved enough but rather because I don't see that making espresso at home is worth $250 let alone $500. However, I recently moved and now have a coffee shop about 3 blocks away and can see how my espresso habit is starting to cost me.

    As for my grinder... I feel it is very capable of producing an excellent espresso grind. I got an exceptional deal on this old school Zassenhaus that looks as if it was used twice before I got it and stored somewhere with non-existent humidity. The burrs are in incredible shape for a 25+ year old machine. It produces an unbelievably fine and consistent powder. I will, however, concede that I will need to modify it a bit to keep the burr adjustment from moving around on in mid-grind at that fine of a setting but this is rather trivial and certainly worth the $100+ I save over even a new, decent quality entry-level grinder. If I'm not about to drop $500 on an espresso machine, I sure as hell am not going to drop $300 on a Rocky.

    Another thing to keep in mind is that I enjoy mochas. When dropping the shots into a cup of hot chocolate, a good bit of that quality is muddled-up with the other flavors. I have no doubt that the Gaggia with my Zassenhaus would produce a higher quality mocha than what I can buy in town (especially when you consider that I roast my own).

  287. Re:Columbia/Colombia? - Wrong. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Bugger that. Your argument is flawed because we weren't even talking in a multilingual sense. Last I checked this thread was in English and therefore people would be typing "Colombian coffee". Colombia the Country is spelled Colombia in English... and Spanish too! (And as a Colombian I an surprised to hear that anyone would spell our country as "Columbia". Any proof? it would be interesting to see...) I was also not inferring they were mixing up Colombia the country for Columbia the city in SC. I was inferring that they couldn't spell.

    On that note...

    If we were talking about Japanese coffee and all of sudden you spelled Japan as "Japon" because you were talking about it with a Spanish spelling I would still tell you that you are wrong. Why? This conversation is in English, thats why.

    In the context of the English language the country is spelled Colombia. That was my point and you nitpicked it like an idiot. It does with having to know the difference between the District of Columbia, Columbia, South Carolina, and Colombia, South America.