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DOS Lynx only works on a 386 or better, which you could get to run an old Linux or Minix OS instead of crippled-old DOS.

DOS Lynx is also not very faithful to the original.

For DOS web browsing, you really want Bobcat:
http://www.fdisk.com/doslynx/b...

ELKS would give you 16-bit Linux, but you'd really have to be willing to take over development, as it really doesn't have any apps to go with it.

Why not just go native?

But in all seriousness, Lynx rocks, and I've never heard of a single security issue with it. It can even read and post to Slashdot.

I have used this one in the past:

http://www.fdisk.com/doslynx/wlynx/lynx_w32.2.8.2r el.1.zip
from this page:
http://www.fdisk.com/doslynx/lynxport.htm

No Cygwin libraries required. It worked fine for me, though it has not been updated in some time. I doubt you need to worry much about vulnerabilities in a text browser, especially if you only use it to examine your own pages. If you simply intend to scrape text from other people's web pages using a windows box, might I recommend using the QueryTables.Add method in an Excel macro, which has worked fine for scraping sites for me in the past and allows for relatively easy manipulation of the results.

Alternative Lynx windows binaries are posted here. The current release will compile with Borland C or Visual C++ 6 (with some tweaks), though I imagine it would take some major edits to get it to compile properly with the newer Visual C++ compilers.

Though for the command line usage you desire, Netcat would probably get the job done with a little fiddling. The official page is here, though the latest source release is no newer than Vulnwatch's WinNT binary.

Another alternative is simply to turn off images, javascript, java and css in Firefox, though I don't think there is any command line option for non interactive operation, but scripting acquisition of text from it wouldn't be that hard to do.

But being a GnuWin32 guy then a scripted combination of Wget and Sed or Gawk might be the best solution for you.

You could also just write a PHP or Perl script to do the job just fine, which might be the most sensible approach.

Anyway, the version of Lynx I mentioned above worked fine for me and did not result in any attacks, though I have only visited totally legit sites with it.

I have used this one in the past:

http://www.fdisk.com/doslynx/wlynx/lynx_w32.2.8.2r el.1.zip
from this page:
http://www.fdisk.com/doslynx/lynxport.htm

No Cygwin libraries required. It worked fine for me, though it has not been updated in some time. I doubt you need to worry much about vulnerabilities in a text browser, especially if you only use it to examine your own pages. If you simply intend to scrape text from other people's web pages using a windows box, might I recommend using the QueryTables.Add method in an Excel macro, which has worked fine for scraping sites for me in the past and allows for relatively easy manipulation of the results.

Alternative Lynx windows binaries are posted here. The current release will compile with Borland C or Visual C++ 6 (with some tweaks), though I imagine it would take some major edits to get it to compile properly with the newer Visual C++ compilers.

Though for the command line usage you desire, Netcat would probably get the job done with a little fiddling. The official page is here, though the latest source release is no newer than Vulnwatch's WinNT binary.

Another alternative is simply to turn off images, javascript, java and css in Firefox, though I don't think there is any command line option for non interactive operation, but scripting acquisition of text from it wouldn't be that hard to do.

But being a GnuWin32 guy then a scripted combination of Wget and Sed or Gawk might be the best solution for you.

You could also just write a PHP or Perl script to do the job just fine, which might be the most sensible approach.

Anyway, the version of Lynx I mentioned above worked fine for me and did not result in any attacks, though I have only visited totally legit sites with it.

See also http://fdisk.com/doslynx/

I've used NetTamer, Arachne, and WebSpyder in DOS, all worked fine. NetTamer has a version that will run perfectly well on an XT.

Yes.

Is there a Win32 version for download? :)

Uh, Bobcat?

That would run in 640K, might run in 512 if you pushed it...

-uso.

I was going to post and make fun of you because there was no Lynx for windows nt, but then i found out there is

Why would you use Cygnus to run Lynx on a win box when there are plenty of ports already?

URL: http://dunkels.com/adam/contiki/links.html

System information and emulators

Commodore 64/128

The Commodore 64 is based on the 6510 CPU, which is a 6502-derived 8-bit CPU. It has 64k of RAM and 16k ROM which includes a BASIC interpreter and some basic I/O services. Graphics is provided by the VIC chip which has 16 colors and a maximum resolution of 320x200 in hi-res mode. It provides a 40x25 raster of characters in character mode. The three voices of digital sound is produced by the SID chip.

The Commodore 128 is an extended version of the Commodore 64 that contains a 8510 CPU which is capable of 2 MHz operation and can address 128k RAM (hence the name Commodore 128). It also has a Commodore 64 compatibility mode which is extremely similar to a regular C64 but with a few minor differences.

The SuperCPU is a 20 MHz 16-bit 65816-based computer that is plugged into the back of the Commodore 64 or 128. It uses the C64 keyboard and joysticks for input and the VIC and SID chips for audiovisual output. The SuperCPU is capable of addressing several megabytes of memory and is usually used together with a 16 megabytes RAM expansion board.

There are no SuperCPU emulators avaliable.

• The VICE emulator is capable of emulating a large number of Commodore machines. It emulates the C64, the C128, the VIC20, most of the PET models, and the CBM-II. VICE runs under Windows, Linux, FreeBSD, and a number of other host systems.
  
• Joakim Eriksson's Web C64 emulator, written in Java, runs as an applet within a web browser.
  
• Per Håkan Sundell's CCS64 emulator works under Windows and DOS.
  
• The ec64 emulator is developed for Linux and was originally written entirely in x86 assembler.
  
• An article by Simon N Goodwin about C64 emulators.
  
• The Commodore emulators category in the Dmoz has more links.
  

Commodore 64/128

There are plenty of alternative operating systems for the C64, mostly written in 6502 assembler. Some of them are far from complete, however, and only appear as dark shadows on a few web pages - MagerValp's SMOS and my own osT are among those.

• GEOS from 1986 probably is the most well-known graphical operating system for the C64. It is still sold commercially by CMDKEY.com.
  
• LUnix NG is an open-source multi-tasking operating system with TCP/IP/PPP-support, a *nix-like command shell, and a number of *nix-like utilities such as ls and cp.
• Craig Bruce's ACE is a text-based single-tasking operating system for the 64 and the 128. It provides a *nix-like command shell, a text-editor, a terminal program for the SwiftLink RS232 interface, as well as device drivers for a lot of devices
  
• GeckOS/A65 is a multi-tasking operating system with TCP/IP support and a *nix-like command shell.
  
• Wheels is a version of GEOS that requires RAM expansion to run.

With its 20 MHz and megabytes of memory, the SuperCPU is powerful enough to run fully-fledged graphical operating systems that rival early Machintosh or Microsoft Windows systems.

• Wings is a TCP/IP-enabled graphical operating system for the SuperCPU. It includes a MOD music player, JPEG viewer, web page download utility, etc.
• JOS is an older version of Wings.
  

TCP/IP and PPP connectivity

To surf the web, send or read email, etc., the first step is to actually get in touch with the Internet. This requires both physical access to an ISP, either via a modem and a phone-line or an Ethernet broadband connection, and the TCP/IP software running on the C64.

There are a number of programs that make it possible to reach the Internet with a C64/C128.

• LUnix NG contains a TCP/IP stack and a PPP implementation which makes it possible to reach the Internet using a modem and a dial-up ISP.
  
• GeckOS/A65 also contains a TCP/IP stack, but no PPP dialer.
  
• My own uIP TCP/IP stack has been used for some time to run a web server on a Commodore 64. uIP currently does not include a PPP dialer.
  
• Novaterm 10 contains a PPP dialer and enough TCP/IP code to be able to run telnet over the Internet.
  

SuperCPU

All of the above mentioned SuperCPU operating systems have TCP/IP support.

• The Wave is a web browser for the SuperCPU (and not for the Commodore 64/128 as the web page claims) that runs under the Wheels operating systems. Here is another page with information about The Wave (that also falsely claims that The Wave is for the Commodore 64/128). The latter page also includes screenshots of The Wave in action.
  

Small graphical user-interfaces (GUIs)

User interfaces for embedded systems range from the simple buttons on the front of a washing machine to those of fully fledged web browser type interfaces on information stations. The underlying technology varies from simple electronic circuits to full-scale PC compatibles.

• PicoGUI is a GUI architecture designed for embedded systems to desktop machines. It does not require any supporting GUI system and can be used on anything from graphical screens to text based systems. Their smallest target system are handheld terminals and the compiled object code size is on the order of hundreds of kilobytes.
  
• Microwindows/NanoGUI is a graphical user interface system designed to run without support from an underlying system. On 16-bit systems Microwindows is about 64k large.
  

The smallest web browsers are usually specially designed for the limitations of embedded systems and other specialized computers such as car navigation systems, set-top boxes and medical equipment. There are also a few small web browsers for old DOS PCs available.

• Interniche's NicheView Portable Embedded Web Browser is probably the smallest full-featured web browser around with its 35 kilobytes code footprint. There is also an additional JavaScript module available.
  
• AU-systems' AU Mobile Internet Browser supports both HTML/TCP/IP and WML/WAP as well as SSL. It occupies 340 kilobytes of code (plus an additional 190 kilobytes for the protocol stacks) and uses 5 kilobytes of RAM when idle (plus 8 kilobytes used by the protocol stacks). Extra RAM is used when downloading web pages.
  
• The Fusion WebPilot Embedded Micro-Browser supports much of the features found in modern web browsers including frames, authentication, and JavaScript. The web page does not specify memory footprint.
  
• MicroDigial's Graphical MicroBrowser supports tables, frames, images as well as FTP as uses 260 kilobytes of code memory and requires a minimum of 210 kilobytes of RAM apart from that. A demo version is available.
  
• The 2net Alice Web Browser is intended for handheld computers and PC based architectures and requires 400 kilobyte of free RAM and 200 kilobytes of code memory. It includes a TCP/IP stack.
  
• WebBoy is a fully-fledged browser with SSL support intended for 386 DOS boxes with more than 4 megabytes of memory. Includes a TCP/IP stack.
  
• The Arachne web browser runs under MS-DOS or Linux and requires at least 1 megabyte of memory. Does not include a TCP/IP/PPP stack.
  
• Lynx is probably the most well-known text-based web browser around. It is ported to many different operating systems and architectures including MS-DOS.
  
• The Off by One Web Browser has been labeled as the smallest web browser ever, but is quite large in comparison with other small web browsers. It is 1.1 megabytes large and requires support from an underlying Windows operating system.
  
• Mirko Sobe's BOSS-X HTML browser for 8-bit Ataris is not a full web browser, but an off-line HTML viewer with hyperlinking abilities written in three days.
  
• The pre-alpha v0.3 GEMWeb browser supports 640x480x16 VGA.
  
• The Atari Phoenix Web Browser is a non-existant vapor-ware web browser project intended for the 8-bit Ataris.
  

> We are 1 month into 2003Q1. 2003Q1 is when it is supposed to be released in limited numbers.
> How is that 4-5 months behind schedule?

Not that I want to help the troll to whom you respond, but the Hammer was initially projected for a 2001 release. Barton was initially slated for something like early to mid 2002. Of course they're late. But they're not so bad as the aforementioned troll mentioned. Their processors are far more competitive than, for example, when they had the K6 family. It is simply that it's been over a year since AMD's processors were definitively faster on the highest level for Microsoft Windows (they still have an advantage, iirc, in prominent Linux benchmarks). And AMD is only seen by the general geek public as "equal" to Intel if their processors are simultaneously unarguably faster and cheaper. Right now, they're merely almost as fast and generally cheaper, so people get confused as to whether or not the company still exists. ;)

But I digress. The AMD processors in question, just like most AMD, Intel, Motorola, Sun, IBM and HP processors, are much delayed.

-JC

Hyperfocus is also a classic symptom of attention deficit disorder (ADD). There are many, many good resources on this topic for the interested.

It is increasingly suspected that ADD/ADHD have a genetic origin, involving one or several genes. The genetic trait may be sex-linked as well, given that the disorders are predominantly found in boys.

For most people, ADD does not translate into a competitive edge, more like a learning disability. The afflicted appear to have a normal range of intelligence. Although ADD is more prevalent than previously suspected, I don't suggest that it accounts for some fundamental difference between the sexes!

I spin this out a little because ADD/ADHD are so grossly mischaracterized in popular opinion. I studied psych and was startled to hear about the hyperfocus symptom a couple of years ago, because it seems so counterintuitive (actually, it's not: ADD is a disorder of regulating attention, and cuts both ways). Lastly, the most common medication used happen to be stimulants, but are in dosages too small and release profiles too long to act as "speed." Moreover, a new nonstimulant drug has been developed with nearly identical effectiveness; if it pans out, it will likely displace the controlled substances and their problems.

You can get it for MS-DOS too. The source and executables are available at http://www.fdisk.com/doslynx. If you use a multitasker in DOS you can even run it along side WordPerfect. ;-)

erghhh... hit me if I am blatantly off, but the famed internet explorer program is named IEXPLORE.EXE. The explorer.exe you refer to is the Windows explorer, or otherwise known as the one and only thing that holds the monstrosity together (the GUI, the Windows "shell" as they called it in system.ini). And if I remember correctly, that has been there since the Windows 95 days, when they added this thing called "Explore your computer"/"Windows Explorer" to the system.

I think with W2K, it depends lots on what your computer is aimed for doing. Right now my 192Mb 600MHz ThinkPad died to Daemon, I am running W2K on a 600MHz 64Mb Dell Inspiron, and have only occasional trouble with slowness. Right now my memory usages are (in order, the top five):
phoenix.exe with 16208k
IEXPLORE.exe with 11320k
wmplayer.exe with 4892k
explorer.exe with 3744k
taskmgr.exe with 2336k
(now why would taskmgr take that much memory is beyond me)

The only time I can remember this machine being painfully slow is when I wake it up every morning from hibernation, when it tries to spin up, and load everything into memory from disk again.

However, I do use to run a 166Mhz 64Mb (later 96Mb) Desktop with Windows 2000 at home. My theory is that Microsoft is absolutely correct in the minimum requirements for running the OS. But when they say minimum, they mean OS only. Nothing else. Once you start tagging on stuff like AOL, Microsoft Office, Corel Draw, etc, and try to run them at the same time, the system likes to just hang and ignore you. Ever since I have gotten my sisters hooked on TeX for word processing, and that really improved the memory usage on the desktop system at home.

So my suggestion is simple. Since you have a close to minimum machine, you should try to only run close to minimum apps. My friend ran Mandrake 8 on his 233Mhz 192Mb ran desktop. And Mozilla slows down X considerably in the pre-1 releases. (It doesn't help with his habit of hosting a NFS search engine, listening to music, browsing the web, while compiling the kernel at the same time q= ). The important thing is choice. You can choose to run simple and memory non-extensive programs in Linux, you also can choose to do so in Windows 2000, for example, you can use Mozilla or lynx in Windows if you choose (and save 10M ram from IEXPLORE), and Microsoft Office has always been less than necessary, and I am sure you can find another Office implementation with a much smaller footprint (or just use TeX like we normal people do q= )

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If you want a graphical browser that will run on a 486, you might consider running DOS and Arachne (there's also a Linux version now, I believe). When you ask why use DOS, since it's not protection safe or supports multitasking, realize that at least the latter is a performance penalty and the former usually is. In any case, there are a good many various DOS internet tools here:

http://www.fdisk.com/doslynx/

If you have an old 486 lying around, it's probably already got DOS running on it, so why not give running some DOS internet tools a go? You can also try out DR-DOS or FreeDOS. I'd suggest the former, if you can validly use it (go to ftp://ftp.lineo.com/pub/drdos/LICENSE.TXT to find out). You can then go to www.drdos.net to download it. Anyways, I hope this helps, since old 486s aren't really trash, even if you can't easily use Linux or Windows on it because of archaic hardware.

• Edit > Preferences > Advanced > [ ] Automatically load images
• JunkBuster
• Lynx or its ports at fdisk.com

Where are these ads again?

I have decided to thoroughly support adblocking. I believe (but I can't prove) that if you can't support your site without ads, you have lower quality stuff. Take PBS... no matter how people complain about their fundraising campaigns, it's still here. And it's the only radio station on the dial (monopoly alert) that plays classical music. (WNED FM, 94.5 MHz, Buffalo NY) So I say that a non-commercial web can exist, it will just be sans news... like a library.