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Phoenix and Minotaur Get New Names
blazerw11 writes "Phoenix and Minotaur
have been officially renamed to Firebird for the browser and Thunderbird for the mail client. Interestingly, they're both named after cars I often see in my neighbors' lawns. At least these cars were pretty fast before they were put up on cinder blocks. Personally, I like the names and the browser is great. I'm writing this with one of the last Phoenix Nightlies."
So the 'Phear This!' and 'Calvin pissing on IE' skins will be forthcoming, right? =)
"You know why you do not see me styling wit my homies? Because I have no homies!!" -Mojo Jojo
In related news, Internet Explorer is being renamed "Pinto," reflecting its tendency to blow up.
Pheonix is a great browser for me cause I am stuck using P2 233 with winnt in my comp sci class with no ie installed. The only issue is that I have to store pheonix on my personal drive which is a max of 48 megs. The pheonix I use is 12 megs which is 1/4 of the space. Conclusion: Pheonix is a great light browser performance wise but it has to be more compressed in terms of size still.
Checking out my form of escapism.
I love the Mozilla herd, but please do me a favor...
:(
Quit renaming all the browsers! Every time I recommend them to a friend or coworker, the name changes and they get confused.
Karma: Chameleon (mostly due to the fact that you come and go).
It would be Mercury and Thunderbird, but then Ford might get all upset.
openoffice has been renamed el camino. FART.
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WHO ATE MY BREAKFAST PANTS?
Why do software (and hardware) developers feel they need to change the names of their products when they finish them? Just to confuse us? Please there must be someone who can clarify this! I see it time and time again, paticularly with CPUs: Clawhammer, Sledgehammer, Northwood... Not to mention Longhorn, *insert some other codenamed thingy here*
Firenerd and Thundernerd? Seems kinda fitting, don't you think?
And we can call the IRC client ChunderWord, because that's basically the point of IRC chat.
(to "chunder" is to vomit)
This sig intentionally left bla... dammit!
Who's got the whiteout?
I think this is good. It will give user a theme they can identify with (especially if all the mozilla derivatives follow the convention).
But I guess they already had a theme going with fantasy creatures to begin with. I wonder where it will go.
Probably because there was a rather odd debacle over the name Pheonix being taken and the team being forced to change it. Of course, the name firebird isn't all that different than pheonix ^^ but thats what they were going for. And, if most people are like me, they have been curious to find out the new name of Pheonix, err.. sorry, Firebird (i say pheonix sounded better).
Course, it might just be a slow news day ^^ (j/k).
Either way, the editors do have a strange notion of what constitutes as news, but who am I to complain. Or an AC for that matter.
YOU SUCK BALLS!
After numerous attempts on it's life by the Microsoft mafia family, Phoenix is being given a new name and identity an an undisclosed website in the hopes of protecting it.
That's the mac version of Phoenix, or rather it's equivalent.
Karma: Chameleon (mostly due to the fact that you come and go).
at least i know the mozilla folks are good ol' american iron car lovin' types (GM even)...
camino
firebird
Not. FART.
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WHO ATE MY BREAKFAST PANTS?
It wasn't just some codename. Phoenix is already being used by another browser, so a new name was necessary.
You'll also notice that the Mozilla team's MacOS X browser has been renamed Camino. Cars are definatly in style for them.
These folks must not have looked very hard if they thought "Firebird" was a name with no conflicts in the open-source world. Firebird SQL is on SourceForge, a pretty obvious place to look.
The Evolution(tm) Mail client will be renamed "Camaro", while the Abiword is skipping the subtle but amusing titles and jumping right into it with their latest release, codenamed "WhiteTrash"
I'd rather be a conservative nutjob than a liberal with no nuts and no job.
One issue I see right away is this "Firebird" is not the same as the one found in http://firebird.sourceforge.net/ which could be confusing to people looking for this Firebird (or confusing to the people looking for the other Firebird...)
http://firebird.sourceforge.net/
given that Phoenix (go Phoenix, you rock) is changing its name because of a perceived conflict with some other non-browser stuff, isn't it ironic that Firebird is also already taken?
I am a leaf on the wind
Now it all makes sense why Camino was chosen as the new name for Chimera.
You people are so redneck and you don't even know it!
Why oh why did the Macs get stuck with the sawed-off station wagon anyway? :P
Karma: Chameleon (mostly due to the fact that you come and go).
I suppose Carlton International Media is going to sue them too, now?
Volvos are more classy than Thunderbirds and Firebirds.
Volunteer Mozilla developer, RPI Student.
Use UPX to compress phoenix.exe. I'm running one of the nightlies and I got it to go from 6.6MB to 2.7MB. It's not a lot of space, but it helps, and there's no decrease in speed.
The US Army: promoting democracy through unquestioned obedience
The browser was renamed because of legal issues. I think phoenix the bios makers were the ones breathing down their neck. There some info on the site about it http://www.mozilla.org/projects/phoenix/
Now we have Firebirds and Caminos...is this going to become a trend?
"Mozilla Lite" (Low Calories) was already taken?
I am the great AlexMcCluskey, and I shall rise again with the power of the Penis Bird!
Hubbah
Here are a couple of screenshots:
Firebird
Thunderbird
Why not rename phoenix to "Internet Explorer", just to fuck with M$.
After all "Internet Explorer" shouldn't be allowed to be a trademark in Internet industry, the same argument as Windows being a trademark ?
Plus that way they can get totally clueless joe six-packs to download thinking they are upgrading their IE,
Wow imagine the user base generated by that ?
for the last time people, I am "frodo from middle eaRTH", not "middle eaST".
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M$ has patented any names that start or end with BIRD.
Ahem
if (you cant beat them)
{
then buy them
}
else
{
buy birdie num num
}
Why would they name it the same as the open source relational database firebird project?
Originally open sourced by Borland (commercial name interbase).
I run phoenix on all my x86 machines, and Chimera on my mac, but damnit!
The .5 release is incompatable with the new nightlies themes and extentions. The buttons don't work right, and the bookmark toolbar dies on every install. I believe the nightly I have has a mem leak, as it will get up to 60 megs, and I'll have to end the process.
I can't spread the joy of Firebird until I *know* its going to work on their PCs. Wacky rendering is ok, but stabillity and working features are a must.
And dear god, where is the installer that lets you choose the nightly you want, until .6 comes out?
Whew. Sorry baby.
I only yell 'cause I love ya, baby. You know that. Now go make me a Turkey pot pie!!
They should at least go for ones you can't pronounce! like all the ones from Lamborghini cars.
Like, for example, Murcielago, which Car and Driver must have spent half a page telling people "This is how to pronounce this car's name."
And then you have citeroen and peugeot, which is pervasive, but still not easy to pronounce (correctly).
I mean, after commiting half an hour on the name alone, you are too invested (time wise) in the product to ever go anywhere else. I think that's how windows grab customers - by excruciating install processes. You invest the time in the install and don't really want to see that time "wasted" by going to another platform.
we can one-up them by using up people's time at the name alone!
ahem. so, anyway.
My life in the land of the rising sun.
for in-class use you might wanna try ghostzilla. We switched to it in my high school computer programming class (a joke, I wanted to vomit when I saw the teachers code formatting.) and not a single person was ever caught using it.
It will do cool things like open inside existing windows in greyscale with images only shown on mouseover, and it will disappear when you mouse leaves its area on to come back with a flick of the wrist. If you don't need precautions that serious, it has lesser settings of paranoia.
You can't judge a book by the way it wears its hair.
In another surprise sequence of events, GCC was renamed GNU Caprice Classic and Emacs was renamed Pontiac Catalina.
Apparently as part of an prior agreement, the Chevy Tahoe was immediately renamed the GNU/Chevy Tahoe.
- Eric
Drat, looks like I'm going to have to set up an alias. I'm rather accustomed to typing !ph from bash these days (calls up `phoenix &`). I second prior comments about telling people I know about the aforementioned browser. I have raved about how great Phoenix is, and now if I mention Firebird, I'll have to find some way to make it clear that it's the same thing. I bet my boss it going to have some comment to make about this - he likes to make fun of the names of a bunch of Linux programs (though kind of unjustified at times - he thinks they sound silly).
GNU/Beetle
The gayest vehicle on the road. It comes with a stock flower holder.
...the Database?
Honestly, as much as I admire the work these folks do, I have to wonder how one medium-to-high-profile open-source project can decide to use the name of another.
It's not like there aren't other good poetic variations on the Phoenix theme.
This Like That - fun with words!
Didn't AMD use Mustang and Thunderbird originally for their chips before they were released?
The man who trades freedom for security does not deserve nor will he ever receive either. - Benjamin Franklin
From their old radio campaign: What's the word? Thunderbird! What's the jive? Bird's alive! What's the price? Thirty twice! Ah... enjoy the savory citrus flavor
//radiotakeover.
First is was [El] Camino, now Firebird and Thunderbird? Damn. Mozilla people need to get out more. I can see my mother right now "I can't read my email in Firebird" and I'll say "Thunderbird" to which she'll respond "Whatever"
Joy.
Has every g*ddamn email client worth using absolutely got to look like Outlook???
If I wanted to run Windows I'd run Windows.
Do OSS people just totally lack any imagination? Is Apple the only company that has neurons firing?
Is this open source design coming full circle, a la:
1) Pick a name for the project
2) Set up a webpage and/or sourceforge project
3) Wait for people to come write and test it for you
4) ?
5) Goto 1
I don't need no instructions to know how to rock!!!!
What I'd really like to know is...has the old (Netscape) Composer been spun off into its own, stand-alone program? It sounds silly, but I really liked Composer. Simple and straightforward HTML creation. I'd love to see it offered as a stand-alone!
"War makes me sad." - Me
Anyone else have this strange desire to listen to Stravinsky.
//Looks for Firebird Suite CD
The great advantage of having a reputation for being stupid: People are less suspicious of you.
Cars are cool, no doubt about it, but instead of Firebird how about Mad Dog, Mogen David, or Night Train?
Drink up!
How many people will accidently install the Firebird RDBMS thinking it is the web browser....
LedgerSMB: Open source Accounting/ERP
Everytime Firebird/Thunderbird crashes, I'll have to report it to my insurance company instead of bugzilla? I hope a tow truck can manage applications!
Yeah, what's up with that. Did they not do a google search in their investigations? Or are they not concerned about conflicting names with another OS project? It even beats out the car on a search.
This post was generated by a Cadre of Uber Monkeys for Monkey-Man2000 (603495).
Now we need someone to design some really cool graphics.g i?id=202059
http://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.c
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These are magical and exciting times! The rename has inspired me to change my name as well... I will hence forth be known as Jeff! Thanks You. Would someone be kind enough to post this on Slashdot.
Why not name it after a real car...
The "XY GT HO Phase3" Browser
So what browser are you using?
Firebird
No, not what database, what browser?
The open source web browser, Firebird.
Oh sorry, so you don't have the open source database Firebird then?
thump
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"Sufferin' succotash."
my goodness. the parent post got modded from 0 to 5 to back to 0? and do people honestly feel that the post was overrated?
The name recalls that classic anime "Gatchaman".
The warship " Godphoenix" transforming into Hinotori (Japanese for 'Firebird') before finishing off the bad guys. Quite cool.
While I'm sure car enthusiasts will enjoy the new names, why didn't they name them after AOL-TW properties, which would probably be possible since they are of the same family, perhaps...
Frodo for the browser (fast on his feet)
and
Bilbo for the email client, etc.
So, with it's groovy gray brushed metal (stainless?) appearance, could it be... gasp
Apple releases 10.3 (panther) and the web browser "Safari" has now been renamed to - DeLorean??
If you aren't using phoenix, and you use linux or windows or both, then start using it now. This browser changed my life. Seriously. Because it takes me less time to surf my daily sites I get more sleep. Read about it in my journal.
I also felt compelled to teach others the majesty of this browser. Check this out. If anyone actually shows up I'll be amazed. And if enough turn up I'll probably do more of them, until I no longer have free time, which will be in about 2 weeks.
I'm glad phoenix changed it's name to Firebird, because now I don't have to change the sweet icons I've got for it. I reccomend using the build from 3/20 and installing at least the tabbed browsing extensions. I believe the 3/20 build is the newest one where importing bookmarks isn't broken, that's why. I also rather like the Phusion theme. The guy who makes it is totally awesome, he updated it after I requested him to. Open source world needs more guys like that.
The GeekNights podcast is going strong. Listen!
It'll also be sharing the name of the so-called "bum wine" Thunderbird.
/Thunderbird/ How's it sold?/ Good and cold/What's the jive?/ Bird's alive/ What's the price?/ Thirty twice." According to author Ellen Hawkes, who wrote an unauthorized history of the Gallo family called Blood and Wine, Ernest later delighted in telling the story of driving through a tough, inner city neighborhood. Seeing a man on the sidewalk, Gallo rolled down his window and called out, "What's the word?" The immediate answer was, "Thunderbird."
A radio jingle for perhaps the Gallos' most notorious product went like this: "What's the word?
I prefer Dickiebird, if you know what I mean.
I'm reading it, right here on my browser. Still says "Phoenix." Slashdot, you silly ass.
Okay, so Phoenix was renamed to avoid legal problems with the Phoenix BIOS people. Now I'm wondering whether we'll see more name changes to avoid legal problems from the Firebird people or the Thunderbird people.
And to further prove I'm a retread, here is the page for whiny bitch windows users like me to install a choice of nightlies.
I'll go stand in the corner.
One religious fairytale is as good as another.
It's better than the April Fool...
Phoenix became "Phallus", and the entire release page was changed for April Fools Day. Even MozillaZine had changed it's forums on that day to be "Phallus Forums"
The Phoenix Project
Announcement: After months of speculations, the new name has finally been decided. Phoenix will be called Phallus. The team has also decided not to release the long awaited 0.6 milestone and instead release 0.7. "The strong competition in the ongoing browser war and our lack of recent updates made this version jump necessary to keep up with the competition from Internet Explorer," said Asa Dotzler of Mozilla.org fame.
--You will rephrase your request for me to go to hell. Goto statements are not acceptable programming constructs
So MacGyver and the Phoenix Foundation finally staked their claim to their name, huh? I would've thought you could've settled it all for some duct tape, a pencil, three acorns and some sodium benzoate.
Official media response from Redmond:
... they are trying to sell to the others an illusion.
"The Mozilla press is all about lies! All they tell is lies, lies and more lies!
"They're not even [within] 100 miles [of a new browser]. There is not any new browser. They hold no place in Redmond. This is an illusion
"I can assure you that those villains will recognize, will discover in appropriate time in the future how stupid they are and how they are pretending things which have never taken place.
"Let the Open Source infidels bask in their illusion!"
Belloc
I got more rhymes than Jamaica got Mangoes.
Netscape being renamed to Model-T. Once a great innovation but now an antique.
Personally I hate the stuff, but somebody pointed out to me that nowhere on the bottle does it actually say "Mad Dog", just "MD".
And if you have to specify that your "wine" is "grape flavored", that's a pretty bad sign. Also bad is when people differentiate the products by the color and that's just as descriptive as the "flavor".
"As for a quasi-obscure DB"
.2
Not if your into open source databases, which incidentally many people are.
This is like Apache renaming to xfce.
I actually don't think this will really hurt the Firebird DB project, its just kinda lame.
Fulltime Phoenix user since
If you wanna get rich, you know that payback is a bitch
On August 20, both Firebird and Thunderbird will probably be renamed "Mozilla".
It's too bad they didn't name [Phoenix] after a motorcycle. It would've made much more sense. Motorcycles are faster, lighter, more compact, more efficient, and way more fun than crappy cars.
THERE IS NO DATA. THERE IS O
Okay not completely on-topic, but:
I have noticed that RadialContext, which is probably the best thing that happened to browsers since the mouse, is now available for Phoenix, or Thunderbird, or whatever.
A little note on that is you can change all the skins to pngs (do a global replace on the sript files) and lower the opacity to like 70% or so. suddenly you've got transparenty menus! Looks sweet as all heck.
My life in the land of the rising sun.
If this is the case, Linux will have no trouble staying on top once it gains user base. These trenches are deep, real deep.
Yeah, story writer, but _I_ live next to a Minatour and a Phoenix. I live in Knossos and have a summer home in Heliopolis.
I guess in reality I 'live next' to two Tan Olds Cutlass Cieras, right close to the bar in the movie Fargo. Guess which city I live in!
Thunderbird is what I drink when I drive my Firebird.
From Ernest and Julio Gallo.
---- "If we have to go on with these damned quantum jumps, then I'm sorry that I ever got involved" - Erwin Schrodinger
On cinder blocks? Are you a redneck, do you live in the sticks? Where I come from both of those names refer to cars which are still running fine. Maybe the poster should pull his Nike out of his mouth and think before he types next time without trying to sound cool.
Taking over one bit at a time...
Frankly I liked Phoenix and Minotaur much better.
:P thbbbt.
But if they were going to change their names to the new "old car" motif, why oh why a Firebird and a Thunderbird? If they called one of them Stingray, I wouldn't be bitching. Not that a 'vette was a great car, but because the name is so much cooler. I know Stingray is probably taken, but so is Firebird, so
Even then, why name them after middle of the hill production cars. If the apps are supposed to be bitchen, use the names of bitchen super/muscle cars. The obvious: Superbird, Cobra, F1 (as in McLaren). Or, the not so obvious: Pantera, Barchetta, and Silver Shadow. Or you could even mix the two and go with the likes of Tuscan, Cerbera, or Tamora.
My spoon is too big!
Seems that Mozilla is evolutioning to birds, like in real world evolution :-)
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One issue I see right away is this "Firebird" is not the same as the one...
Yeah yeah Mozilla PR dept, save your breath, we know... it doesn't violate any trademarks...
It's Free Software, right? Can I make a request?
FREEBIRD!!!!
Shut the fuck up! Volvos suck ass, you bitch! They are not American and only America makes good cars, you unpatriotic ass!
YARBAC (Yet Another Redneck Buys A Computer) and found slashdot.
Just an FYI, Volvo's are amongst the Safest and most Reliable cars in the world. I don't think the Americans can claim that with their exploding Pintos and rolling-over Ford SUV's.
I'd rather be a conservative nutjob than a liberal with no nuts and no job.
I've been useing Mozilla since 0.8 and love it, the problem being that I only useing it's browser. I used Phoenix once before (most of been 0.2 or 0.1, can't quite remember) and although it was smaller than Mozilla, I don't think it had tabbed browsing at that stage. Now it does and it's great. The size really helps, at school I got only 50 Mb quota on my share space and I can't install on any of the machines, so I was stuck with IE at school till now.
Can't wait until they start useing Phoenix as the browser in Mozilla instead of Navigator.
Not all conservatives are stupid,
but it is true that most stupid people are conservative.
- Hume
German Software maker SAP is renaming their R/3 software to 750iL.
*rimshot*
Yes, I agree.
Not only would your friends know what you are talking about, but so would mine and everyone elses. When you say Internet Explorer, everyone knows what you are talking about, right?
I think people behind Mozilla should learn and adopt this simple 'trick' from Microsoft if they want Mozilla/Phoenix/Firebird to become more popular.
I would love to see the percentage of visitors using Mozilla go up in my access_log, and the percentage of IE go down. Both Mozilla and Pheonix deserve it.
Simpy
Mozilla's Thunderbird and Firebird components will undergo a name change as these are apparently trademarked by the Ford Motor Company and Pontiac, a division of General Motors Corporation.
In response the team will rename the Mozilla-based browser and email clients in the next release. In following with their current Greek theme, the team has been throwing around the names Muse for the browser and Pegasus for Email.
Team members have a good "gut feeling" these names will not be confused with existing commercial products or trademarks.
Shouldn't customer confusion be assumed?
paintball
There was a downloadable binary; much easier than compiling from source in windows.
You can't judge a book by the way it wears its hair.
You can't both moderate and comment on an article.
Infuriate left and right
I hunt in my favorite car it's not going to I got to see some neet while on vacation last time I used the other IE it started to look like the the artist formerly known as the shuttle
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but when does version .6 come out? Really, its been forever. At least 0.5 was really nice.
The Doormat
If you're not outraged, then you're not paying attention.
If I could bottle Mozilla based projects, the directions would read.
1. Design a new interface for the Gecko engine.
2. Come up with a name.
3. Work that name deeply in the public consciousness.
4. Change the name for legal reasons
5. Rinse and repeat.
The middle mind speaks!
Katana would be a nice name for Phoenix/Firebird.
Ford re-released the T-Bird (in roadster style) last year! They aren't all up on blocks!
Fascism starts when the efficiency of the government becomes more important than the rights of the people.
Asa, puh-lease. How about a little honesty here.
The BIOS company has force to sue you. Some sourceforge project can't. So, it's no big deal to you if you take over their project's name. Nothing more, nothing less.
Originality is dead at netscape.
that's the most useful news I've read today!
Dumb. They will find that firebird.sourceforge.net has been taken already, Firebird is Interbase, the open source version of borland db which is run by real professionals who run a real db consulting business. And the next version is being built. They really don't need a raft of people making mistakes about their name. Pick your own!
I was hoping for Fireball XL5...
Personally, I don't like these names at all. To me it sound kind of awkward. "Use Firebird browser [Thunderbird email client]". Why not just call it Fire and Thunder? Or better yet, call it... THE BURNINATOR!!! "THE" is part of the name.
For your information, Volvo Cars are nowadays owned by Ford Corporation. So that makes Volvo American.
Now who is an unpatriotic ass?
I'm disappointed by all the Americans with a blind spot in their memory for the world's worst car, designed to be something that no-one in their sane mind would ever buy.
Ladies and gentleman, I present you with Microsoft's 7th generation browser - the Ford Edsel.
"Life is like a sewer - what you get out of it depends on what you put into it" - Tom Lehrer
...that a project called Mozilla (with a logo of a great big lizard) with the rendering engine called Gecko (a lizard) now renames the two main forks of the project *bird...
Mr. Smoove
doobeedoo and doobeedee do do.
I know you are psychotic, but please make an effort.
Oops -1 dumbass posting too early in the morning.
Fujin and Raijin would be thunder and lightning, not thunder and fire.
Blerg. Need more coffee.
graspee
That the best part about this whole renaming thing, is that it is part of a larger scheme to split up the Mozilla project into separate projects. That's what I'm excited about. =)
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"In times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act."
-- George Orwell
internet Explorer.
"It works on *any* internet, not just the original!"
Firebird and Thunderbird were strangely shaped Lead and Bass guitars made by Gibson during the 60s. Perhaps they're going to name the IRC client 'Pearl' and form a band.
were you expecting to see a sig here? perhaps you'd rather see the inside of an ambulance!
Thunderbirds are go! This message is courtesy of the International Rescue based in Tracey Island.
Other than Firebird also being a trademarked software company belonging to British Telecoms (who tried to push their claims to owning hyperlinks).
Thundercougarfalconbird?
There's no "Ford Corporation." There is a "Ford Motor Company" though.
Volvo is part of FoMoCo's PAG (Premiere Automotive Group) with Land Rover, Aston Martin, and Jaguar.
Is that like Phoenix Nights?
"You heard the man, Tubbs.. get undressed."
And Mozilla itself shall be renamed "Mercury Marauder" - it is big, heavy, powerful, and not quite as expensive as the competition.
Meanwhile, rumors from Redmond indicate they have begun on a project codenamed "Ricer" - no additional data found.
www.eFax.com are spammers
> Just an FYI, Volvo's are amongst the Safest and most Reliable cars in the world.
On the downside, they're driven by Volvo drivers, who (not all of them, but a significant proportion) think that because they drive one of the safest cars on the road, that excuses them from all that tedious paying attention to what they are doing stuff.
Ask any biker whether they think Volvos are safe.
Phoenix is a lightweight and fast browser, so it's ideal for boxes built around the last generation of processors, like K2s, Pentium Pros, etc. (Or is that the generation before last?)
The bummer is that both milestone and daily builds are -i686 binaries. Someone else filed a bugzilla ticket on this in December. I guess we can just vote for it and hope that the mozilla.org folks find the time to do a -i586 build, too.
So, I searched the discussion and didn't see anything about this.
Why in the world would they change the names of these projects to escape naming conflicts and court battles to NEW NAMES that have the same problems? I haven't done a trademark lookup, but I feel pretty safe in assuming both Ford and Pontiac own trademarks on the names of the cars they sell.
This seems like a really dumb move.
Looks like Mozilla is going to the birds
:-)
I like the names, though
Is the new company look at Netscape a mullet?
mbbac
I still drive a pre-retro design '97 Thunderbird and it runs and looks quite fine, thank you very much! ;)
I swear by MacOS X. Although I use to swear *at* MacOS 9...
The new "AOL for Broadband" has renamed it's browser Corvair - unsafe at any speed.
daed si luap
The original poster is right--AMD was originally naming the Athlons after muscle cars: Mustang and Thunderbird, obviously, but there was also a "Spitfire" and a "Corvette"--see, for example this article on Cnet. They made a deliberate switch to horses. My impression was that they did this because of copyright/trademark infringement issues. If that's the case, how are "Firebird" and "Thunderbird" going to fare any better--won't they just have to change the name again?
As for the argument that different products can have the same name, I think the hurdle is higher than most people think. For example, in the mid-90's Chevrolet was sued over the "Beretta" moniker by Beretta USA (a handgun manufacturer), and the lawsuit was successful enough that Chevy abandoned the name. Beretta USA argued that Chevy was using the power and speed associated with its Beretta trademark to boost the sales of its cars.
One thing open-source projects should NEVER do is rename their product to the name of ANOTHER open-source project.
p hoenix.com/
In this case, they've given it the same name as Interbase's open-source flavor.
I mean, it's plainly there on SourceForge... not like it couldn't have been researched.
http://firebird.sourceforge.net/
http://www.ib
See http://firebird.sourceforge.net. Geez, how rude.
So I guess this whole directional shift was not an April Fools Day prank?
I must say I still don't fully understand the extent of XUL usage in the new platform.
Now they can be sued by Pontiac and Ford instead while Chevy sues the Camino team.
:)
Though I think in this case, the best way to settle this is just to buy a bunch of SUV's from all three companies and run over all intellectual property lawyers, making everyone happy in the process, even the IP lawyers, who will be happily returned to the hell they spawned from
--Won't that be grand? Computers and the programs will start thinking and the people will stop. - Dr. Walter Gibbs
Other's have already said this, but the more that point this out, the better the chance the Phoenix people will get their brains repaired: Firebird is an open-source relational database. The name is already taken.
And, Asa, don't reply to this and say that there is no trademark problems. We're not talking about trademarks--we're talking about etiquette. Choosing the name of another open-source project is plain rude!
Safari was a full-sized Pontiac wagon, I believe, not a cut-down sedan. Apple needs to change the brushed metal theme to "genuine simulated plastic wood-grained vinylette".
Wait for the Ranchero browser.
only Volvo = Ford nowadays
Don't you mean Firebird nightly?
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It is an advertising, product awareness issue. How are we to get Firebird out there to the masses when they think it is a browser?????
Does anyone know where this bizarre name-changing ideology comes from?
The first Harry Potter book was the Philosopher's stone everywhere except the US, where it was the Sorcerer's stone. Phoenix, a mythical bird that consumed itself with fire, has been replaced with...firebird. Minotaur, a half man/half bull has been replaced with...thunderbird???
Seems like most of these name changes involve a dumbing down of the name. There are other examples around too. The question then, is WHY???
"People who do stupid things with hazardous materials often die." -- Jim Davidson on alt.folklore.urban
Galeon and Skipstone?
Are they now Chevette and Deloreon?
That will teach me to take a vacation from my computer. Come back and they have shuffled all the names around. What's next? -- I vote for Text Editors renamed to fighter planes from around the world. %s/Emacs/B52/g and %s/vim/F16/g.
(+1 Funny) only if I laugh out loud.
Camino is a lightweight OS X browser based on the Gecko engine but without the XUL interface of Phoenix, Mozilla, et al.
Phoenix for the Mac is not Camino, though they say official Firebird builds will soon be available for the Mac.
"There are some people who, if they don't know, you can't tell 'em." - Louie Armstrong
actually it was my impression that the spitfire was a Duron (my duron at home is a spitfire), but now that i look it up you are right.
In SOVIET RUSSIA... erm...NSA AMERICA, the Internet logs onto YOU!
I'm surprised everyone is making fun of these names and not the guy who submitted this! Where's them redneck jokes? :)
Berto
Maybe Firebird is named after the dead software company and Thunderbird is named after the Gerry Anderson SF TV series?
Oh well, at least there'll be a really obvious choice of icon for Thunderbird 1.0.
GCHQ Quantum Insert installed. If only our tongues were made of glass, how much more careful we would be when we speak
As,
I implied in a post a few days ago Mozilla seems to be run by a bunch of folks who only seem to be able to see about an inch ahead of themselves.
Arbitrarily changing the Mozilla browser's name to a pre-existing software project shows lack of foresight, lack of courtesy, and a serious level of denseness.
Come on Mozilla.org, wake up, look around, play nice. Stop changing the browser features (how many aesthetic revisions can one have or need?) and don't steal someone else's name, whether it is a commercial or non-commercial entity.
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One more freaking browser I have to program for.
Or get one of the many custom themes (in the Phoenix/Firebird menu, it's at Tools -> Preferences -> Themes and Extensions) which are usually much smaller and delete both classic and modern. Gets you a little less than a megabyte.
Intellectual Property is a monopolistic, selfish, and defective concept. It is "tyranny over the mind of man"
This joke will probably only make sense to americans, but I hope other nationalities will reply to this with their appropriate models Q: What is the difference between a Firebird and a porcupine? A: A porcupine has pricks on the outside.
Nothing great was ever achieved without enthusiasm
No, Phoenix should be called 'Mozilla LE' , or 'Mozilla Light Edition'. Mozilla with all extra stuff should be called 'Mozilla DE/XE'. Why can't open source projects have different 'product lines' beats me. I guess, everyone has an ego, and likes to have their own names.
W3C cames up with XForms - The Next Generation of Web Forms in 2002, but
XForms - a GUI toolkit for X has existed for a long time (initially here).
"Interestingly, they're both named after cars I often see in my neighbors' lawns."
This is interesting how?
. Quit playing Monopoly with Bill. Switch to one of many non-Microsoft products today.
That's right. When your neighbours have Firebirds, Thunderbirds, and especially Camaros in their front yards, they are white trash. What kind of neighbourhood do you live in?
...Thuderbird and Ripple!
I believe they should call Phoenix "Web Traveler."
Since the browser component will be Firebird.
Does this mean the entire product will be called...
Firebird Suite!
(or will Igor Stravinsky's descendents cause trademark issues)
rednecks have YARDS, not LAWNS
my karma will be here long after I'm gone
But Phoenix/Firebird is NOT Mozilla LE. Firebird is now going to be the main Browser application, and Mozilla is the name of the open source project behind it.
Probably because they aren't built by a bunch of illiterate negros like American cars are.
I'm interested in embedding WhiteTrash into Firebird. I bet it'll go real fast. Hope it doesn't crash much.
"Sometimes, I think Trent just needs a cup of hot chocolate and a blankie." -Tori Amos on Nine Inch Nails
Apparently nobody was able to draw a decent minotaur before the deadline, and they decided the phoenix recolored to blue would make a decent logo for mailnews, just the module needed name change.
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a completely pointless comment
Too bad nobody showed up. I showed up, but didn't speak up when you asked because I figured you could use the extra free hour (since I already use phoenix, I was just going to maybe find out interesting things I didn't know about it).