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Re:damn you, Scuttlemonkey!!!!
- I've watched 911: Loose change. It's interesting, but needs to be taken with much salt.
- I see no reason to believe that it wasn't muslim extremists that took over those planes.
- If you remember the Oklahoma bombing, the FBI was definitively claiming within hours that it was not caused by arab terrorists. This implies that they already knew where the 'terrorists' were.
- The "USA Patriot Act" was pre-written and ready to go when the planes hit -- not because someone in congress knew when this would happen, but because there's been a version of that act trying to get thru congress for years (every once in a while it would be allowed to die and be re-introduced under another name). When the planes hit, it was just renamed to something spectacular and punched the rest of the way through the house (this is why it was able to pass so fast).
- The reason why the "Patriot Act" wasn't passed in response to the Oklahoma bombing was that the perpetrators were blonde-haired blue-eyed christian ex-USA-military. It would have been too obvious that it was meant to be used against average Americans.
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Do you even remember tower 7? [.....]This building housed secret service, DOD, immigration, SEC, mayors emergency buker (not used on 9/11..why?)...
Duh! -- for the same reason why division HQ isn't placed right at the front!!! (yes, it would make C&C faster, but only until the position got overrun)
The collapse of the buildings did catch authorities by surprise, (mostly in terms of the speed of the colapse), but it's well known that these sorts of things occur during a disaster, and you don't want your C&C too close to ground zero. -
"Mom? This is Mark Brigham.(when was the last time you heard anyone use theeir full name to talk to their mom??)
When you're in the middle of an emergency (especially a possible combat-type situation), it's not entirely surprising that military training would kick in. -- not unlike the story of the guy who, after boot camp, stopped at the front door to his mom's house and knocked. - but for an example see Payne Stewart's plane, which was intercepter very quickly, despite "only" not responding to radar, without turning off transponders or altering course,
2-21-02 Correction of 1-31-02: Payne Stewart's Lear Jet was actually intercepted by an F-16 1 hour and 14 minutes after the last known transmission. - The way that the World Trade towers collapsed was a function of their design -- Unlike most skyscrapers that are make like a human skeleton (with most of the weight being borne on a central core), the trade towers are built more like an insect (with most of the stress being borne by a rigid exoskeleton). this means that, in the case of a central collapse, the debries are going to tend to be held in by the rigid exoskeleton rather than being pushed off by the central load-bearing 'spike'.
The trade towerers were the first skyscarapers to be built like this (and one of a very few).
Gotta go do something more useful... otherwise I could debunk a good bit more.
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Re:damn you, Scuttlemonkey!!!!
thanks, some fairly unimportant details I have just trusted (unreliable) sources to have close to correct, in this case,for good reason: 3000, 2000 whatever its still a lot more then the 400-800 they averaged, and, at least in the pentagons case, after seeing the damage at the WTC, I dont think sonic boombs where not a priority concern. ON a VERY interesting related side note, here is an article showing a seismic signal of a sonic boom from a supersonic aircraft was detected near flight "93" (I think what we call flight 93 was possibly a replacement aircraft, but thats irrelevant, it was still heading towards washington) within striking distance, even though no jets were supposed to be in range! (this could be the jet that claimed to shoot down flight 93)
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Re:Claiming "terror" to justify other things...
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Re:There are procedures in place
They did shoot down the 4th plane. The "Hero" story has no truth.
Inform yourself or you will miss bigger lies when you need your bullshit detector the most. -
Flight 93 Crash
The only reason that 9/11 went as badly as it did was that the other passengers assumed that if they just obeyed the terrorists for a few hours, they could put it all behind them and get on with their lives. When the passengers in the plane that crashed in Pennsylvania realized this was not the case, they stopped the terrorists.
There are allegations -- maybe be paranoid fantasy, I don't know -- but allegations, anyway, that the US Air Force shot down that Pennsylvania plane. Example:
"I heard like a boom and the engine sounded funny," [an eyewitness] told the [Philadelphia] Daily News. "I heard two more booms - and then I did not hear anything ... I think the plane was shot down."
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Flight 93 Crash
The only reason that 9/11 went as badly as it did was that the other passengers assumed that if they just obeyed the terrorists for a few hours, they could put it all behind them and get on with their lives. When the passengers in the plane that crashed in Pennsylvania realized this was not the case, they stopped the terrorists.
There are allegations -- maybe be paranoid fantasy, I don't know -- but allegations, anyway, that the US Air Force shot down that Pennsylvania plane. Example:
"I heard like a boom and the engine sounded funny," [an eyewitness] told the [Philadelphia] Daily News. "I heard two more booms - and then I did not hear anything ... I think the plane was shot down."
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Re:do you even get reception?
Actually since you ask, I don't think they did have anything to do with it. No one has ever actually confirmed that the fight got to the cockpit - they've still refused to release the tapes.
Plenty of other theories though - see here for instance.
Debris field is the most suspicious for me. Somehow those fighting civilians and terrorists managed to blow an engine off the wing in mid air. Me, I can't see the mechanism for that. Short range IR guided AA missile on the other hand - yep I can see "blow the engine off the wing" as the result there.
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Re:Its the tower and antenna alignment
The plane crashed because of the terrorists, not the cell phone interfering with the avionics.
There are eye-witness accounts that strongly suggest that Flight #93 was actually shot down.
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Re:Sky phone
As someone else noted, this is highly ironic as the airfone clearly helped the UA 79 passengers bring the flight down to prevent it from hitting the Capitol.
Actually that story about what happend to Flight 93 is somewhat suspiscious see here. -
Re:Er, not necessarily.
But there weren't any calls to 911 that we know about. There were several calls to wives and loved ones, and a call to a GTE operator on an AirFone. See this page (about halfway down) for more details. So the fact remains that somehow a U.S. Senator was pretty sure of himself in stating that they would find out what was said on those calls, even though they were placed on private cell phones and a private airplane satellite phone.
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Re:Let's roll...The passangers of Flight 93 quickly learned of the fate of other hijacked airlines that day thanks to mobile phones. With the cry of "let's roll" (accredited to Todd Beamer), the passangers of that flight attacked their captors.
They tried to attack their captors but their captors cut the oxygen to the passenger cabins. Black box audio reports say that.
The new information you mentioned about using the planes as missiles was used to shoot the plane down by fighter planes
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