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Re:Java support? by markv242 · 2004-07-30 11:05 · Score: 1 · on FreeBSD 5.3 on the Horizon

You're absolutely right. However there's a difference between the developer claiming "usable for most tasks. However [...]" and a developer claiming a version is a "Production" version.

I find it rather funny that most of the responses claim that I haven't looked at the ports tree. On the contrary, I have kept very close tabs on the advancement of Java under FreeBSD. Back when our app ran under 1.1.8, we happily deployed FreeBSD. I will be first in line to deploy it again when the 1.4 JDK is bumped up to production-ready.

Re:Java support? by Triumph+The+Insult+C · 2004-07-30 10:53 · Score: 1 · on FreeBSD 5.3 on the Horizon

wow

2nd paragraph of the FreeBSD Java page

that was a tough one to find!

Re:Java support? by Triumph+The+Insult+C · 2004-07-30 10:46 · Score: 1 · on FreeBSD 5.3 on the Horizon

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but all of FreeBSD is like that. Take a look for yourself.

In fact, I have yet to see any software package that says it is guaranteed to work without problems, all the time, under all circumstances, without first paying *huge* support contracts and getting a guarantee from the software company.

Re:Java support? by dru · 2004-07-30 10:40 · Score: 3, Informative · on FreeBSD 5.3 on the Horizon

relax$ uname -a FreeBSD relax.domain.com 5.2.1-RELEASE-p3 FreeBSD 5.2.1-RELEASE-p3 #4: Mon Mar 22 19:40:08 PST 2004 root@relax.domain.com:/local/freebsd/obj/local/fr eebsd/src/sys/RELAX i386 relax$ /usr/local/jdk1.4.2/bin/java -version java version "1.4.2-p6" Java(TM) 2 Runtime Environment, Standard Edition (build 1.4.2-p6-root_27_apr_2004_17_32) Java HotSpot(TM) Client VM (build 1.4.2-p6-root_27_apr_2004_17_32, mixed mode) relax$ file /usr/local/jdk1.4.2/bin/java /usr/local/jdk1.4.2/ bin/java: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (FreeBSD), for FreeBSD 5.0.2, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), stripped

Runs well enough on my machine to use NetBeans fairly extensively.

See also: http://www.freebsd.org/java/dists/14.html

Re:Java support? by markv242 · 2004-07-30 10:37 · Score: 3, Informative · on FreeBSD 5.3 on the Horizon

Care to rephrase that?

"The JDK(TM) it produces is de facto compliant, but use in a production environment is still at your own risk."

But thanks for your words of encouragement. That "We don't want you" crack must make you feel really good.

Re:Java support? by FireChipmunk · 2004-07-30 10:35 · Score: 1 · on FreeBSD 5.3 on the Horizon

Check out:
http://www.freebsd.org/java/install.html

Short Version:

cd /usr/ports/java/jdk14 make install clean

It has been available for quite some time. I don't know what you are thinking, but its very easy to get a native Java on FreeBSD...

Re:What will Microsoft run their "google" on? by Anonymous Coward · 2004-07-30 05:59 · Score: 0 · on Microsoft Challenges Google

> the *NIX servers

You misspelt FreeBSD. HTH.

we made LOTS of 1.3 TB boxes at about $2000 each by linuxbaby · 2004-07-29 10:21 · Score: 5, Informative · on Terabyte Storage Solutions?

For CD Baby we have about 50 TB of audio stored here, and we built the boxes ourselves, damn cheap. Goes like this:

Find any tall beige-box case. ($150)
Find 9 good 250g Serial ATA drives. ($100 each = $900)
Get an 8-port serial ATA hardware RAID controller like these ($300)
Get a good 400-500W power supply ($200)
Any motherboard and CPU will do ($200)
Spend a few extra bucks on gigabit ethernet ($50)

Put 8 of the hard drives into a RAID-5 array. (1 for your O.S/system use). That makes about 1.4 TB for only $1800 total. The 3Ware IDE raid thing works great with FreeBSD, which is what we use for everything.

Rip all your CDs as FLAC so that (1) you never have to rip them again (it's lossless), but (2) it's half the size of saving WAV files

At least that's what we've done with our 68,000 CDs we have here.

Re:supported linux versions available as well by Anonymous Coward · 2004-07-29 08:55 · Score: 0 · on Windows XP-64 Delayed Into 2005

Except FreeBSD can't boot on 64-bit Compaq laptops, in either 32- or 64-bit mode (i386 or amd64), without applying a patch and rebuilding your CD image. Neither can OpenBSD, with no fix in sight. Of course it runs NetBSD, but NetBSD lacks much of what make OpenBSD or FreeBSD great. For us Compaq R3000 users, Linux is the best option. Which is too bad...I'd rather run FreeBSD.

Other OS than Linux supports.... by Homology · 2004-07-29 00:49 · Score: 2, Informative · on Windows XP-64 Delayed Into 2005

In any case, for the near future if you want to run a 64 bit operating system you will either be using one of the free Linux versions or the free download of Windows XP-64 beta.

You might have noticed that there are other 64 bit CPU's than AMD64 that are in wide use, and other OS than Linux suports AMD64.

FreeBSD supports AMD64, and so does NetBSD.

Also OpenBSD supports it, but the support is even better in current. In addition, OpenBSD will use the NX-bit to increase security.

*BSD by c_ollier · 2004-07-29 00:36 · Score: 5, Informative · on Windows XP-64 Delayed Into 2005

Besides Linux and Windows, you can also use FreeBSD, for which amd64 is in tier 1 (full support), along with i386. Other BSDs of course support it :
NetBSD
OpenBSD

Relatively slow pace... by eeg3 · 2004-07-28 17:54 · Score: 0 · on NetBSD 2.0 Status Report

First off, i'd like to say i'm not alluding to NetBSD, or BSD, dying. However, it seems NetBSD's pace is awfully slow compared to OpenBSD and FreeBSD, or even DragonFly. NetBSD 1.6 came out September 14, 2002. Versions 1.6.1 and 1.6.2 were pretty much just security fixes.

Seems like they're being pretty stagnant. PF still won't be in 2.0, that's a shame, imho. They've managed to do a lot of superfluous activities, though; for example, they've achieved Trademark status on NetBSD, and attained 501(c)(3) tax-exemption status.

Although I like NetBSD, and think it's a wonderful project that has superb, portable code... i'd, personally, like to see more development and less superfluous activities, especially considering how expensive activities such as trademark status are. Who do they think is going to steal their title anyway? Although, if I remember correctly from a debian mailing list thread, their trademark status _did_ hinder Debian/NetBSD being released.

Re:Death Row BSD by Anonymous Coward · 2004-07-28 02:29 · Score: -1, Troll · on BSD Jails, a Better Virtual Server?

Good News Everyone!
Turns out that *BSD is stronger than ever!
According to an Inernetnews article, Netcraft has confirmed that *BSD has "dramatically increased its market penetration over the last year."
There has been a steady increase in *BSD developers over the past decade.
There are currently 307 FreeBSD developers as of the 2004 core team election.
You can read more about FreeBSD here

If you would like to try out a BSD, you can download: FreeBSD, OpenBSD, NetBSD, or DragonflyBSD
Enjoy!

Re:Death Row BSD by Anonymous Coward · 2004-07-28 02:29 · Score: -1, Troll · on BSD Jails, a Better Virtual Server?

Good News Everyone!
Turns out that *BSD is stronger than ever!
According to an Inernetnews article, Netcraft has confirmed that *BSD has "dramatically increased its market penetration over the last year."
There has been a steady increase in *BSD developers over the past decade.
There are currently 307 FreeBSD developers as of the 2004 core team election.
You can read more about FreeBSD here

If you would like to try out a BSD, you can download: FreeBSD, OpenBSD, NetBSD, or DragonflyBSD
Enjoy!

Re:Death Row BSD by Anonymous Coward · 2004-07-28 02:29 · Score: -1, Troll · on BSD Jails, a Better Virtual Server?

Good News Everyone!
Turns out that *BSD is stronger than ever!
According to an Inernetnews article, Netcraft has confirmed that *BSD has "dramatically increased its market penetration over the last year."
There has been a steady increase in *BSD developers over the past decade.
There are currently 307 FreeBSD developers as of the 2004 core team election.
You can read more about FreeBSD here

If you would like to try out a BSD, you can download: FreeBSD, OpenBSD, NetBSD, or DragonflyBSD
Enjoy!

jail paper by endx7 · 2004-07-28 01:35 · Score: 2, Informative · on BSD Jails, a Better Virtual Server?

The jail paper.

Re:How is this different? by Anonymous Coward · 2004-07-27 17:01 · Score: -1, Flamebait · on BSD Jails, a Better Virtual Server?

Actually, you are clueless. You don't need "jails" in BSD to prevent a user from "seeing" all processes! Read the FreeBSD handbook before trolling.

FreeBSD 4.10 Jail by jaredmauch · 2004-07-27 14:58 · Score: 5, Informative · on BSD Jails, a Better Virtual Server?

I've been using the FreeBSD 4.8-4.10 system to host several Jails on a beefy machine that i have under my control. My personal e-mail system resides within a jail on this system, and there are very few problems i've encountered. The biggest issues i've encountered are as follows:

UDP Kernel bug that breaks SNMP (eg: mrtg) inside a jail
ICMP inside jail needs to be split out better to prevent ugly hacks/kernel patches being required
PostgreSQL needs sysvipc
/sbin/sysctl -w jail.sysvipc_allowed=1

I've managed to work around these various issues (running mrtg from the "jail-side" host, making it chroot to my directories to run. Enabling the required sysctls, including my own kernel patch to let ping/traceroute work..

It lets me and others share a single host that is very beefy (2x2.8G Xeon, 4g ram, 315g raid-5 ultra-320 disk, etc..) on a fast link. The FreeBSD-5 jail subsystem is a bit more refined than that in FreeBSD-4... I'm pondering upgrading the system, but haven't done so yet.. You can also put a small bit of effort into the system and use rsync to keep various (important) system binaries (eg: sshd, sendmail) in-sync across all the systems so they're bug-free if an advisory comes out.. but that's basic sysadmin/patching stuff, not anything jail specific.. but if their jail is r00ted, i don't need to worry about my own files being compromised, unless they get at the 'host' system.. (which runs no services to speak of)...

MONTY PYTHON SAID IT BEST: by Anonymous Coward · 2004-07-27 14:53 · Score: -1, Troll · on BSD Jails, a Better Virtual Server?

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