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Been there!
What an interesting question, I've done that before, mostly out of nostalgia. And, of course, frustration with the upgrade treadmill.
There's essentially nothing you can't do with a 16-bit windows, it's what people worked with and played with, so there's a bit of everything .You should install Win32s, WinG, Video for Windows, Trumpet Winsock.
Honestly I'm surprised you found it hard to track down old software, there's a pretty huge scene around it.
You can get pretty much every OS and application here: http://winworldpc.com/library_m1.shtml
This is also a great site to get old software: http://www.oldversion.com/
Moar: http://wiki.oldos.org/Downloads/Windows3x
http://gaby.de/win3x/esoft.htmThere are some surprisingly modern browsers available for 3.1, grab Opera 3.62 (also Netscape 4 and IE 5.5), and try Calmira for a Win9x type of GUI running under 3.1 - put the default XP wallpaper on that, and you will fool a lot of people
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I once hacked XP to natively run the NT 3.51 shell on startup, instead of Windows Explorer. It wasn't hard.DOSBox sucks for Windows, though, you should probably just run a VM, added performance. You can find some Windows games on abandonware sites, Civilization 2 was a good one
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http://www.gameswin.biz/gameen.php?id=379Let me know if you need anything else, would love to have a chat with a fellow enthusiast.
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Re:Great! Another deskop environment to mix things
There's a free clone of WPS for Windows 3.1 that ran after a fashion on Windows 95. I played with it some a decade ago and I kind of liked it -- which is unusual as I don't care for Apple's offerings, think that Windows peaked back about the Win95OSR2 release, and am certain that Gnome has to be some sort of joke. (Mostly I use XFCE and the KDE applications).
Anyway, the Zip file is still downloadable -- http://ftp.gaby.de/pub/win3x/wpsfw151.zip and there are some screen shots at http://toastytech.com/guis/wps.html.
I wonder if WPS will run under wine?
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Re:Can't reproduce that one here.Well, I'll be goddamned. It appears, based on a quick search, you are right.
http://www.gaby.de/win3x/etips.htm Working with Windows 3.11 Regedit
"Windows 3.1 registry??", you may ask. Believe it or not, but the registry first came with Windows 3.1, not Windows 95. Now, if you'll excuse me, I must perform seppuku for this shameful display of my ignorance. :) -
Re:How about getting rid of patents all together..
I'm not really sure anything in CP/M qualifies as massively inventive.
Quote; "CP/M on the other hand is based upon the Operating System for the DEC PDP-10, "TOPS-10", at least concerning file and device naming conventions, as well as for some command designations. Other influences are less clear, but undisputable."
There was indeed quite the same "look and feel" (or odd PDP logic - illegal UUO - unimplemented user operation (error - never got (really understood) that one):)
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This was hard...
Took me a good 15 minutes to find http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9B
0 DE2DB143FF932A3575AC0A961948260
And some enigmatic stuff here: http://www.gaby.de/ftp/pub/win3x/archive/softlib/1 997w3x.pdf
And a cryptic reference to the Mach 10 and 20 here: http://support.microsoft.com/gp/lifeobsoleteproduc ts
Other than that, there is not much info left out there.
I think the Mach 10 was an 80186 with RAM and such on an 8-bit ISA card, probably an 8MHz or 12MHz part. The Mach 20 was a 80286, and cooler. Probably a 16MHz part. I think the Mach 10 would take 1.5MB RAM, as a heaping shovelful of 16- or 22-pin DRAM. The Mach 20 similar. Both had an InPort for Bus Mouse. I guess the Mach 20 could be had with or without the RAM expansion, and with or without an updated FDC to run 3.5" drives. I had an XT-Turbo at 8MHz that already handled 3.5" drives. Woot...
Just a quick look, but it seems about the only thing there with less info on it out there is Modern Jazz.
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Free CP/M?IBM/Microsoft DOS was based on CPM, an open source/free OS
CP/M was not free or open source.
Since the cost of version 1.3 (1.4?*) was only 70 $, this operating system soon became installed on every 8080 computer. CP/M, what's that?
I'll leave adjustment for inflation as an exercise for the reader.
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Re:Lesson of DOS: Give Credit Where Credit is Due
William Gates was waiting in the wings, and he signed a deal to give IBM an operating system.
Actually IBM came to Gates first, hoping they could get MS-BASIC and CPM. At that point Microsoft was selling as many copies of CPM-80 as DRI because of their CPM Soft-Card for the Apple II. However, Microsoft couldn't transfer its CPM license, so Gates sent IBM on to Kildall. Kildall was initially unavailable, so his wife met with the IBM reps. She and the company lawyer were quite reasonably put off by IBM's onerous non-disclosure agreement and decided not to take the risk of signing. Eventually Kildall did meet with IBM but couldn't agree on a deal. See for example Fire in the Valley This doesn't sound terribly unethical to me: Microsoft was simply willing to assume a risk that DRI wasn't.
An engineer, Tim Paterson, at that company had stolen the ideas of CPM/86 and created a cheap clone of it. PC-DOS was that clone
Only in the same sense that "Linus Torvalds stole the ideas of UNIX and created a free clone of it. Linux was that clone". Are you alleging that Patterson lifted copyrighted code from CPM? Do you have any evidence of that? And of course Dr. Kildall derived many of CPM's features from DEC operating sytems.Kildall got nothing and drowned in his own bitterness. In the later years of his life, he drank himself into alcoholism and eventually died in a bar.
Dr. Kildall's death was very sad, and he was a great contributer to the software industry. However, at the time of the IBM deal DRI was a well established company, and IBM did sell CPM-86 for the IBM PC as well as MS-DOS. Dr. Kildall did make quite a bit of money when DRI was sold to Novell. See for example Gary Kildall.
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Re:Perhaps you could say...
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Re:Monitor mods?
I've got an old CP/M machine that I'd love to put a new monitor in and perhaps a mini motherboard in. Go for the retro feel...
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Oh my god, it's an iMac!!!!
The one on the right....
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Re:I timed it
This is such a lame argument. Windows swaps out inactive applications. It just does. That's the way it works. When something is not being used, it gets swapped out to the HDD and more room is made for the drive cache. If IE uses libraries which never get swapped out because MS has crafted the OS not to swap the stuff out, that's a good conspiracy theory, but it doesn't explain Windows 3.1.
Internet Explorer 5 runs on Windows 3.1 with 8 megs of RAM. Yes, Windows 3.1 with 8 megs of RAM. They recommend 16, but I've run it fine on 8. You can't practially use more than one window, but it is usable. You certainly can't load up Mozilla in that. My point is not that it is a practical configuration for modern websites, my point is that it has a FAR smaller footprint, no matter how many people claim that it's just the libraries and the quick launch tool. (It's hard to find downloads of it these days... but here's a German version just to prove it.)
When I don't use Mozilla, it gets swapped out to my HDD. It doesn't matter how much RAM I have, it just will. Unless of course, I disable swap altogether, or tweak the registry. But then I would have an app sucking back 40MB of RAM.
My machine is an 800MHz PIII with 256M of RAM. I use more than just Mozilla on the machine. I should not have to upgrade for Mozilla when the machine is overpowered for everything else.
Posted using Mozilla 1.1 on Linux. My last post was using Mozilla 1.1 on Windows 2000. I use Mozilla because IE abuses standards, and now Mozilla has some great features like ad blocking.
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RubbishRubbish, the M in CP/M means Microcomputers. As opposed to, say, a control program for minicomputers or mainframes.
Admittedly this link supports your alternative expansion, but as just that. Alternative.
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correction...it was an Altos
Altos 580
there it is in all its glory ;)