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Okay, lets stop 'going back and forth for the sake of going back and forth'. I will explain in totality because it seems like you simply don't get what fracking is properly and are attempting to attack my credibility to justify yourself. It is very VERY logical that is it harmful to human health in the same way that smoking is. I.E putting dangerous chemicals into the human body.

1. Look at this. http://www.hcn.org/issues/43.3/unpacking-health-hazards-in-frackings-chemical-cocktail/graphic.

Now granted, over 90% of fracking fluid is water and sand, but that 1% is still a hell of a lot when you pump millions of gallons per site.10,000 gallons of chemicals per mil of fluid remember. And most of that fluid will be absorbed by porous rock whereas I very much doubt kerosene distillate and many of these chemicals have that luxury.
More info about how it gets from the site to the water supply, lawsuits etc:
http://www.gaslandthemovie.com/whats-fracking
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=fracking+lawsuit
http://www.dangersoffracking.com/

2. The Sabatier process makes methane, and uses hydrogen. I'm not sure what you're trying to get at here, because that's just carbon neutral, not actually green. When you consider that most of that CO2 is not going to be collected from the atmosphere (due to the cost of doing that) then you realize it's just the same as hydrocarbons pollution-wise. If you're talking about doing that in reverse, that is just a form of electrolysis and has the same problems I mentioned before. Namely, it's not green, it just shifts the blame from the car to the pump.

3. In case you haven't noticed, banking is a cartel. Stop living in dreamland. If one bank raises it's rates the other banks will do the same universally because they can and it's profitable. In reality if a bank gives out too many bad loans, it is bailed out by the state. You should know all too well about that seeing as we and the rest of the West are sitting in a recession as a result of that right now.

4. The iPad didn't need to be subsidized, most of the R+D for the tech was done by Xerox/PARC in the 80s and 90s, it was also lead by a huge giant in an industry next door to it; computing. It's a poor comparison for anything but the point I was making but if you want to beat the strawman I will show it's a pointless comparison. GM, Dodge, Ford and all the other US car companies make some of the most uneconomical cars in the world. Fact. Even Honda looks bad next to it's eastern rivals because of it's Americanization. None of the above companies would seriously make EVs their main business focus. It would be a life threatening decision for them and would frankly require them to make an about turn on lots of their marketing, policies etc etc. There is no truly 'green' US car company that is large enough to fab it's own components and design it's own cars so the DoE had to finance the creation of a new company to carry out aforementioned goals. So it's like the DoE seeing a public need for iPads but there being no Apple and no Xerox PARC. So the DoE makes it's own East India Trading Company to do the work for it.

It's all well having businesses like the AC Propulsion that do engine conversion but actually making real EVs that are normal enough to be embraced by the general public is not something that has been done before. (Look at this list http://ev.wikia.com/wiki/List_of_EV_companies and I bet you can call every car there too quirky for general tastes except the Tesla without talking about their power-train or fuel tech.)

Did you even read what I wrote? I already explained why the Tesla was priced out of most people's range, the tech needs to come down in size, but to do that it need

One word. Gasland : http://www.gaslandthemovie.com/.

Oh all right, it was a portmanteau

Before I start I'm didn't read all the comments yet so somebody may have mentioned this, in fact it may be well known. But, for those of you that haven't seen this little documentary, you should. Now, I know the gas companies have gone to extremes to attack this documentary and the maker in any way they can, of course they need to, it's rather bad in its portrait of "Fracking". Anyway, I'll let you make those decisions and look around for other facts, but it seems pretty much on the up and up to me, as MANY people in a lot of areas have reported a lot of the things you will notice in the show and they DIDN'T even have earthquakes of all things to add to the list of its potential hazards.

Gasland is a documentary by Josh Fox and I think a good one that shows the possible problems with "fracking", as they call it. It all starts with Josh himself getting a generous offer from an oil company to "frack" his multi-acre property, but he didn't know what it was and set out on a journey to see what he could learn about it before he signed on the dotted line. What he found was not good by any measure of the word.

This documentary will show that they are lying about or simply, truly do not understand their own process. As people are starting to realize, it's probably true, but no one listened to the warning cry, that really came from this little documentary--it made a dent, but so many people and states signed right on. But I think finally the damage is getting severe enough that it's impossible to hide what they've done to ourselves. ...And they'll probably never go to jail and they committed an act that might eventually be considered as dangerous as terrorists threatening to burn down wild forests. Sociopath and psychopathic corporate ideology at fine work--simply just doing what all their brothers and sisters have taught them to do so well. How do we cure ourselves of this ideology that is at work in our businesses, banking, and government. If we don't we all know what happens.

This is just a stepping stone... (risking the melodramatic)

Guess you missed the movie - try this link:

http://www.gaslandthemovie.com/

The water tap this movie shows being lit on fire had this phenomenon BEFORE the fracking began. When confronted about this during an interview, the creator of the film refused to discuss it. A water well like this is sometimes called a hissing well is a natural occurance. Enjoy being duped!

Source on this please?

Guess you missed the movie - try this link:

http://www.gaslandthemovie.com/

The water tap this movie shows being lit on fire had this phenomenon BEFORE the fracking began. When confronted about this during an interview, the creator of the film refused to discuss it. A water well like this is sometimes called a hissing well is a natural occurance. Enjoy being duped!

Guess you missed the movie - try this link: http://www.gaslandthemovie.com/

Not off the cuff no, there is a documentary on the subject which brings a lot of interesting info but it's very Moore-like, i.e. although factual, it's rather one sided.

I agree that better methods are needed and that current methods aren't great, but fracking has been proven to be a problem and the benefits definitely do not outweigh the cost. This documentary provides quite a bit of info on the subject.

Gasland:
http://www.gaslandthemovie.com/

You know fracking is bad when you can put a lighter up to a running facet in your kitchen and a fireball erupts.

Nuclear sounds good in theory but in practice there are problems, long-term residual ones. NIMBY is a term that can be an excuse to not take responsibility, it can also be used to dismiss real concerns. Just ask those who have actually, not theoretically, mined it. For example: the damage to humans and groundwater from nuclear mining in New Mexico

As opposed to damage to humans and groundwater from drilling for "clean" natural gas.
Or from mountaintop removal for "safer" coal mining.
Or the risks associated with more traditional coal mining.
And finally there's the somewhat controversial issue of carbon dioxide emissions from coal and oil.

Ultimately, any form of energy production will have its inherent risks and we as a society have to choose if the benefits outweigh the risks. The risks are of oil are varied and diverse and coal is not much better and in some ways worse. The risks of solar, wind, and even nuclear energy pale by comparison. We won't solve our problems by picking winners and losers but by investing in a wide variety of alternatives rather than putting all of our eggs in one basket.

I personally like the promise of Thorium nuclear power but I'm skeptical of its lofty promises. I doubt if we'll know for sure how practical it is until billions of dollars have been poured into it and dozens of plants are in operation. That's just the nature of our energy hungry culture.

What do you think?

Even though I don't care for Picken's political maneuvering, this is still a bad thing. Natural gas may be becoming cheap, but we've already got enough of our country polluted to where our tap water isn't drinkable. These cheap methods of extracting natural gas promise to make that much worse! http://www.gaslandthemovie.com/

The US gas production is more and more dependent on shale gas production, due to the progress of the hydraulic fracturing technique . Although the American Petroleum Institute claims that there this technique pose little or no threat to underground drinking water, environmentalists say otherwise and their voice has been gaining strength thanks to the recently released Gasland documentary film.
What is clear to me is that there is no reason to explain why Dick Cheney exempted the gas drilling industry from the Safe Drinking Water Act, but to protect the gas industry profitability...
To be fair with Democrats, I also have to say that Obama strongly supports shale gas extraction. Good luck, America!

Gasland: http://gaslandthemovie.com/

Gasland

Watch it. People across the country are getting sick from natural gas drilling because they must drill through underground water to get to the gas.

That's nice and all, but you should keep in mind how lots of places in the U.S. get their natural gas these days. Through phracking.

It's not a good thing. There are huge environmental concerns. Flamable drinking water, Neurotoxins and other poisons in drinking water. There's even a movie about it.

I thought you were talking about something else: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phrack

That's nice and all, but you should keep in mind how lots of places in the U.S. get their natural gas these days. Through phracking.

It's not a good thing. There are huge environmental concerns. Flamable drinking water, Neurotoxins and other poisons in drinking water. There's even a movie about it.