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Re:wat
Here is a link that regarding Stallman's use of the joke, and a link to Stallman's explanation.
https://geekfeminism.org/2009/...
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Re:Issue is more complicated
No they don't. Feminism presents it as a battle between male space or a female space. It's a false dichotomy. The hypocrisy is that feminists expect men to take the 'chivalrous' route and modify their interaction styles for women, yet asking women to reciprocate with some toughness and objectivity is 'oppressive' or 'misogynistic.' The net result is that men are driven out of areas where women have gotten their PC 'safe spaces' for their interaction and thinking styles because men do not do well there. Just ask a male nurse. Fighting discrimination with discrimination is not a solution.
I'm a fan of what works for a given environment and given group of people. The individuals making up the bulk of the effort are the ones who decide the culture simply because they are the most productive. Anything else would drive these productive individuals out and weaken the result. Linus and his lieutenants are far more productive than sarah sharp is, and she is not happy with the interaction style they set, so she goes. No big loss. She's welcome to either adapt to that or work on a different project. If her viewpoint is truly superior and her politics in line with reality, it should be a no brainer to fork the kernel and demonstrate this. The best contributors would flock to her and, in time, her branch would be the technically superior one. She should be showing us 'misogynists' how it's done instead of whining and stirring up shitstorms.
Feminism (and the social justice crowd in general) hate the idea of judging on merit and performance.
Some random quick google searches. Note how they contort the language and definitions..
http://mediadiversified.org/20...
http://geekfeminism.org/2009/1...
This has also infected academia. It's no surprise a lot of people with sarah sharp's attitudes have come out of the university system.
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Impostor Syndrome
I think the woman in this article was slightly overcompensating due to suffering "Impostor Syndrome". It's totally understandable, given the position of women in tech. So she triggered and went a bit too far, and that's grounds for her to be FUCKING FIRED by her male boss? What is Impostor Syndrome, you ask? I'm glad you asked, it's a chance for you to become educated with what the rest of the world thinks.
Impostor Syndrome describes a situation where someone feels like an impostor or fraud because they think that their accomplishments are nowhere near as good as those of the people around them. Usually, their accomplishments are just as good, and the person is being needlessly insecure. It's especially common in fields where people's work is constantly under review by talented peers, such as academia or Open Source Software.
Women experiencing impostor syndrome may be less willing to put themselves forward, feeling that they are not qualified, by eg:
- not applying for jobs, promotions, and other employment opportunities
- not submitting papers to conferences or journals
- disclaiming or understating their experience/skill when speaking or writing
- nervousness about talking to others in their field, especially if those others are perceived as highly skilled/experienced
- feeling like a fraud
- worrying that someone will find out their lack of qualifications and fire them
- having higher stress
- overpreparing for tasks
- attributing successes to chance or luck
For hiring managers, conference chairs, etc.
- Reach out individually to women in addition to making a general advertisement for a job/CFP/etc. Telling each woman that you would value her application.
- Avoid asking "please rate your experience/skill" questions during early recruitment phases.
- You may want to do background research about potential Women speakers/job applicants/etc and gain an understanding of their experience/skills separate from how they advertise/present themselves.
- The questions asked in job interviews may help you see past people's impostor syndrome. For instance, if someone says they worked on a project, ask them what they actually did on the project; it may be that they led it, or otherwise had a key role that they won't mention unless nudged in the right direction.
- See also: Impostor syndrome and hiring power on the Geek Feminism blog.
One woman's story about Imposter Syndrome and how it affected her geek career. This is serious stuff, people. If we can't overcome this, then women will never be accepted as equals in tech.
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Re:Am I getting old?The whole thing made a huge splash in the feminist blogosphere when it happened. Didn't you get the memo?
[Trigger warning for rape used in a "humorous" capacity.] The problem is, I just don't find rape funny. Because rape survivors exist among us, and after being victimized by rapists, they are revictimized by a society that treats even real rape like a joke, forced to live in a culture that actually has a lot of rape jokes, including those about rape victims being actively denied justice for no other reason than because people don't take rape seriously. I don't find rape funny because rape victims are often doubted, mocked, and insulted openly.
[Trigger warning for discussion of sexual assault in games and comedy and sexual slavery] Mere sexist jokes have been documented to âoefavour the mental mechanisms which urge to violence and battering against womenâ, in other words, make people more accepting of such behaviour. The release of endorphins gets linked to the sexist ideal, and suddenly it seems a good idea.
If the good people are on one side of the argument, and you're on the other side, isn't that a clue that YOU'RE WRONG? The appropriate response is a self-criticism, an essay on exactly what you did wrong and how you'll never do it again, plus paying a fine proportional to your income to a feminist non-profit rape survivors group.
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Re:I'll second the call for examples.
Are you seriously going to sit there and argue that open source is a sheer meritocracy with a straight face? Okay. Here are 4 examples:
- Ruby on Rails sexism.
- Mark Shuttleworth refers to Linux as being “hard to explain to girls”. Ensuing flap is brutal.
- DrupalCon Paris homepage objectifies women. Although to be fair, the organizers made changes in response to pressure.
- Stallman refers to EMACS virgins, specifically "women who had not been introduced to EMACS" along with the advice that "relieving them of their virginity" was some sort of sacred duty for members of "The Church of EMACS".
That's the result of a 5 minute google search.
I think the lack of female involvement in projects is actually the cause of the sexism, not the other way around.
So maybe if more women actually bothered to get involved, it wouldn't be considered an all boys club and comments like these wouldn't be made.
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Re:Refreshment of memory
Okay, let's try an example from a Debian commentor called MikeeUSA
The women of the “geek feminism” movement will be just as effective at excising men from the movement as Nina was at systematically destroying Hans Reiser’s life untill he saw no reason, nothing left in his life, that could hold him back from striking back.
Ouch.
And also
Yea you’ve become a developer and have done nearly nothing except shill your feminist shit and try to turn debian into a woman’s project (you are succeeding, men are leaving debian because of you and your ilk, worthless bitch).
examples taken from Geek Feminism
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Re:I'll second the call for examples.Are you seriously going to sit there and argue that open source is a sheer meritocracy with a straight face? Okay. Here are 4 examples:
- Ruby on Rails sexism.
- Mark Shuttleworth refers to Linux as being “hard to explain to girls”. Ensuing flap is brutal.
- DrupalCon Paris homepage objectifies women. Although to be fair, the organizers made changes in response to pressure.
- Stallman refers to EMACS virgins, specifically "women who had not been introduced to EMACS" along with the advice that "relieving them of their virginity" was some sort of sacred duty for members of "The Church of EMACS".
That's the result of a 5 minute google search.