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Re:Hypocrisy apparent: google.com vs google.cn
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Try again...
Just as with the tank search, you just have to dig a little.
http://images.google.cn/images?q=sex&svnum=10&hl=z h-CN&lr=&cr=countryCN&start=120&sa=N
I'll also note that it's entirely possible that those are supposed to be teenagers. Not entirely SFW, so you get to copy/paste.
What's more, sex is an English word. Can someone try searching with the Chinese word for sex? -
And now try this:
The year that never happened.
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Re:Hypocracy apparent: google.com vs google.cn
Excellent post!
For another day/night (bright and clean / dark and seedy) comparison conduct an image search for "sex". The results from google.cn kick off with a view of *two people holding hands*. The google.com search is... not so subtle.
Here's a link to the google.cn search (definately SFW):
http://images.google.cn/images?svnum=10&hl=zh-CN&l r=&cr=countryCN&q=sex
Ur... I won't post a link to the google.com version!
[Disclaimer: Yes. It's only a search of .cn domains] -
Re:Hypocracy apparent: google.com vs google.cn
Then why can I find the word "massacre" when I search HERE?
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Re:Hypocracy apparent: google.com vs google.cn
OOPS. Looks like One slipped through
As mention by many prior. It's hard to censor everything, and things slip through. It's hard to hide history, even for China... -
Something Slipped Through!
Something Slipped Through! Check it out: tanks.
http://images.google.cn/images?q=tiananmen&svnum=1 0&hl=zh-CN&lr=&cr=countryCN&start=80&sa=N -
Re:Hypocracy apparent: google.com vs google.cnFor those idiots who say that no information is better than censored information; consider these two views of history:
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Re:Hypocracy apparent: google.com vs google.cnFor those idiots who say that no information is better than censored information; consider these two views of history:
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Google + "tiananmen square massacre" = results
You DO get mentions of the massacre, even with the censorship. Basically, the Chinese will have to be inventive in their searches.
Check it out:
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Re:If anyone can filter "right", maybe it's Google
It does a pretty good job with "big butts," too:
US: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=big+butts
CN: http://www.google.cn/search?hl=zh-CN&q=big+butts -
A pictorial demonstration of the evil
Compare this American Google image search for "tiananmen square" to the same search in the Chinese Google image search. Notice that the only result that even mentions something related to the imfamous student protests is this result, which makes it seem as if the government didn't do anything wrong, but the protestors did. Google is clearly wrong in this case. Google is right to stand up against the Bush administration, but Google is wrong to not do the same against the Chinese administration. A spade is a spade, but apparently there is a partisan divide that dictates people's beliefs on this issue.
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Re:Whose "evil"?
Try this. Looks like google isn't doing a good job censoring results...
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Re:Hypocracy apparent: google.com vs google.cn
But in support of the "something will filter through" position, I offer you this:
http://images.google.cn/images?q=tiananmen&svnum=
1 0&hl=zh-CN&lr=&cr=countryCN&start=80&sa=NI see two tank pictures there.
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different search criteria in China
When the Chinese Google appeared, I went over there to see if my own website would appear or if it was censored. I did a search for 'Austin Skate Notes'. It showed up as the first result. But the second result is a link to a photo album deeply nested in my site that contains photos I shot at a George Bush Protest in Austin. I was kind of surprised because it's not linked to from other sites that I know of and I have other content on my site that talks about the new Shanghai skatepark and Chinese-made skate decks.
When you search 'Austin Skate Notes' on the American Google, the Bush protest does not appear on the first page of results. It's interesting to me that the Chinese Google thinks visitors would be more interested in the protest photos than American Google users.
Seth -
If anyone can filter "right", maybe it's Google?
It appears to be doing a darn good job on some keywords:
So called "neutral" search results on non-chinese searches for a persecuted religious group known as Falun Gong:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=falun+gong
Properly filtered results unmasking the Falun Gong terrorists for what they are:
http://www.google.cn/search?hl=zh-CN&q=falun+gong
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Re:Whose "evil"?
Fortunately, even Google can't hide everything.
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Hypocracy apparent: google.com vs google.cnFor those idiots who say that censored information is better than no information; consider these two views of history from Google.COM vs Google.CN.
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Re:Whose "evil"?
Yeah just because the Chinese government kills a few protesters and then covers it up with the help of Google doesn't mean they're doing something evil in their culture. What they did wasn't even illegal. Get a grip, people.
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Yeah, but check out "tienanmen square!"
So maybe misspellings won't be censored as effectively, and the Chinese can finally get all that pr0n.
http://images.google.cn/images?q=tienanmen+square
(for comparison: http://images.google.com/images?q=tienanmen+square ) -
More interesting...
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Wrong
"For one, on the bottom of the Chinese results they do show that the results were filtered according to local law. So, the Chiniese citizens are in fact informed that their results are being filtered indirectly by their Governement."
http://www.google.com/search?q=tiananmen%20square
http://www.google.cn/search?q=tiananmen%20square
Unless I'm blind. -
English and Chinese Version of Search
Enjoy. Tiananmen Square in English, on the American site: http://images.google.com/images?q=tiananmen+squar
e Tiananmen Square in Chinese, on the Chinese site: http://images.google.cn/images?q=%E5%A4%A9%E5%AE%8 9%E9%97%A8%E5%B9%BF%E5%9C%BA&btnG=%E6%90%9C%E7%B4% A2 At many universities in China, they only have access to domestic internet ( *.cn ) and to access ANYTHING foreign you need to find an unreliable proxy. I wonder how hard it might be to do some really long distance Wi-Fi from an uncensored internet source outside the country into the country (HK; Taiwan, which also has a few small islands right off the Chinese coast; Vietnam, S. Korea). -
Too easy to beat. Try these examples
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Re:4 kinds of information
Well, a search on just Tiananmen shows some of the same pictures on page 5... http://images.google.cn/images?q=tiananmen&svnum=
1 0&hl=zh-CN&lr=&cr=countryCN&start=80&sa=N I realize China is censoring (to a great extent), but perhaps some of it also has to do with the difference in culture. In the west, when we hear Tiananmen Square, we think massacre. There's a lot more to the square than that, and the Chinese have more reverance for it. However, pics posted by the Chinese are written in chinese, and so searching by english words won't neccessarily turn up the same thing. Searching in english will turn up the western view of Tiananman mostly, and little else. -
Re:4 kinds of information
It's like the DMCA message you get when you search for things right here in the motherland.
http://www.google.com/search?q=xenu (look at the bottom of the page)
And now, the $1000 question... which local government is not censoring these results?
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Re:4 kinds of information
I seem to get this result when i do a search for Tiananmen sq. on images.google.cn seems milage varies
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Re:4 kinds of informationAlso:
5. Things you think you know but are mistaken.Consider what Tiananmen Square stands for. Now look at the images google returns for the normal search vs the Chinese search and ask yourself what you think you would know from looking at these results:
http://images.google.com/images?q=tiananmen+squar
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Re:The Notice Is There
Hmm, I didn't see it for Tibet , though it is there onGoogle Image search for Tibet.
Perhaps the top ten results aren't on the censor's list?
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Compare for yourself
http://www.google.com/search?hl=zh-CN&q=tiananmen
+ Square++&btnG=%E6%90%9C%E7%B4%A2&meta=
versus
http://www.google.cn/search?hl=zh-CN&q=tiananmen+S quare++&btnG=%E6%90%9C%E7%B4%A2&meta=
Save query, different answer. Google is evil. -
Re:You are missing one key thing.
Compare the Google.com search to the chinese search - none of the pro-Falun Gong sites show up in the Chinese one.
Google.com: "Falun Gong: what they are and why the Chinese government is terrified of them" from religioustolerance.org
Google.cn: "Falun Gong's anti-humanity, anti-science, anti-society nature" from the chinese embassy in canada.
Poisoned water indeed.
Google.com Search for Falun Gong
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Falun+Gong
Falun Dafa
Falun Dafa, a cultivation way of the Buddhas' School, as created and organized
by Mr. Li Hongzhi.
www.falundafa.org/
Falun Gong
FALUN GONG. Li Hongzhi. 4th Translation Edition, Updated in April 2001 ...
Characteristics of Falun Gong Cultivation 4. Cultivation of Both Mind and Body ...
www.falundafa.org/book/eng/flg.htm
[ More results from www.falundafa.org ]
Falun Dafa Information Center
Falun Dafa Information Center, News and information about Falun Gong around the world.
www.faluninfo.net/
Falun Dafa & Falun Gong
Falun Dafa and Falun Gong: what they are and why the Chinese government is
terrified of them.
www.religioustolerance.org/falungong.htm
Falun Gong- Friends of Falun Gong USA
Friends of Falun Gong and the spiritual movement Falun Dafa united to support
freedom of belief for all Dafa practitioners in China and worldwide.
www.fofg.org/
Falun Gong - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Treatment of Falun Gong members has been regarded in the West as a major ...
Falun Gong professes a number of beliefs, some of which are similar to various ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falun_Gong
Chinese Google.cn Search for Falun Gong
http://www.google.cn/search?hl=zh-CN&q=Falun+Gong& btnG=%E6%90%9C%E7%B4%A2&meta=cr%3DcountryCN
Falun Gong practitioners jailed for libeling gov't
Home>News Center>China.
www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2004-02/20/conte nt_307742.htm
Outlawing Falun Gong Cult - [ BETA ]
Chen Shumin, general manager of a Chongqing-based technology company and a Falun
Gong cult practitioner, and four other people received ... Teng Chunyan: I Am
Pleased to Shake off the Spiritual Shackle of the Falun Gong Cult (11/20/01) ...
www.china-embassy.org/eng/zt/ppflg/default.htm
QIANLONG.COM--Beijing Portal--Falun Gong hijacks HK satellite - [ BETA ]
Falun Gong hijacks HK satellite. Beijing Portal 2004-11-23 15:07:40. A Hong Kong
based satellite company accused on Sunday the Falun Gong cult, that has been outlawed
on the Chinese mainland, of hijacking its satellite and disrupting its normal ...
www.beijingportal.com.cn/7838/2004/11/23/1821@2387 514.htm
Falun Gong's anti-humanity, anti-science, anti-society nature ... - [ BETA ]
Falun Gong's anti-humanity, anti-science, anti-society nature denounced
(2002-07-08). ... BEIJING, July 8 (Xinhuanet) -- The People's Daily, the leading newspaper
of China, outlined the anti-humanity, anti-science and anti-society nature of the ...
www.chinaembassycanada.org/eng/xwdt/t37433.htm
15 Falun Gong Activists Sentenced to Jail & Fine in Singapore ... - [ BETA ]
15 Falun Gong Activists Sentenced to Jail & Fine in Singapore (2001-03-30).
2003/10/24. Singapore Magistrate Court Thursday imposed sentences to 15 Falun Gong -
Re:Tiananmen+Square
Even more interesting
Falun Gong... Result #1 = "How I beat the shackles of the Falun Gong cult"
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google.cn censorship doesn't seem to be working
"In order to operate from China, we have removed some content from the search results available on Google.cn, in response to local law, regulation or policy," the internet company said in a statement issued yesterday.
That's quite interesting. I just ran a search for "tibet" on google.cn. I can't read the first two results, but the third and fourth results, at first glance, look very pro-Tibet-independence.
Perhaps Google hasn't launched this new site yet, or perhaps it's returning different results due to my IP address not being in China. Can anyone confirm?
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Try gov.tw instead
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Re:Tiananmen+Square
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Tiananmen+Square+Protests - the truth
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Being Evil
So google are letting us know when they are censoring results?
Shouldn't the chinese google results look the same as the others, but letting you know which links are censored?
http://www.google.cn/search?hl=zh-CN&q=tiananmen+s quare&meta=
http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&q=tiananmen+s quare&meta=
http://www.google.com.au/search?hl=en&q=tiananmen+ square&meta=
http://www.google.fr/search?hl=fr&q=tiananmen+squa re&meta=
http://www.google.de/search?hl=de&q=tiananmen+squa re&meta= -
Re:Tiananmen+Square
True, there is some censorship going on, however it doesn't seem that either Google's software or the Great Firewall is completely effective. Googling for "tiananmen square massacre" results in a lot of hits, whereas you would think it would return nothing:
http://www.google.cn/search?q=tiananmen+Square++ma ssacre&btnG=%E6%90%9C%E7%B4%A2&hl=zh-CN -
Compare
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Tiananmen+Sq
u are+&btnG=Google+Search
http://www.google.cn/search?hl=zh-CN&q=tiananmen+S quare++&btnG=%E6%90%9C%E7%B4%A2&meta=
The bulk of the English results refer to the massacre. Not oe of google.cn's hits refers to this. Nor is there a reference to the vast omission.
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I don't know what you're all complaining about.
A friend showed me this.
If you switch to Chinese mode and do a search for "Democracy", you get some interesting links. Be sure to check out the adwords link on the right :)
http://www.google.cn/search?hl=zh-CN&q=democracy&b tnG=??&meta=cr%3DcountryCN -
Re:Tiananmen+Square
altough the different results for that query between google.com and google.cn are pretty scary, it's always nice to see that they can't filter everything.
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Re:Tiananmen+Square
altough the different results for that query between google.com and google.cn are pretty scary, it's always nice to see that they can't filter everything.
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Crystalizing example
search term: "falun gong"
Using google.com
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Re:Not as evil as the summery leads you to believeThis is simply BS. Compare the two search results:
I see two very different results, and no notice of censorship.
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Re:You are missing one key thing.
Chinese results.
Can any of y'all read Chinese? From the garbled text it doesn't look like there's a notice or anything. -
Re:Bold Statement
Are you perhaps searching from within China?
The results are completely different
From google.com search the first hit is
Tiananmen Square protests of 1989 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
With images displayed of the protest
From a google.cn search the first hit is the tourist friendly
Beijing Tiananmen: ChinaVista -
Actually...
That's the first result for google.com too: Here
For the correct spelling:
English results
Chinese results
Yes, that is censorship. Fuck! Now I have to get rid of my Gmail account? Fuck you Google! -
Here's the Falun Gong search
This is the search results at www.google.cn if you search for "Falun Gong". It comes up with a long list of articles about Falun Gong atrocities, "How I escaped the evil cult of Falun Gong", a story about how Falun Gong hijacked a Hong Kong company's satellite (not joking), etc.
But the google.com search highlights articles headed with "Why China is terrified of Falun Gong".
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Re:Bold Statement
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Tiananmen+Square