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Re:Why is MSFT so desperate? I think I know whyThey've realized their future in the Operating System market is pale at best.
Operating System Market Share for March 2008
Top Operating System Share Trend for May, 2007 to March, 2008
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Re:Why is MSFT so desperate? I think I know whyThey've realized their future in the Operating System market is pale at best.
Operating System Market Share for March 2008
Top Operating System Share Trend for May, 2007 to March, 2008
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Re:crack smoker
That's drawing down their cash reserve rapidly without generating much growth.
That's an interesting soundbyte. Can you explain how stock options paid to executives (which executives?) are actually eating into a $30 billion dollar cash reserve? Those must be some pretty large stock grants.
Add to that the failure of their flagship OS on the market
Looks like someone is connecting all those Vista machines that are not being sold to the internet. I'd like to have me a few of those failures every decade or so.
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Re:Vista is dying you say?
Oops, hit submit when I meant to hit preview... Here's the rest of my comment.
You should also have noticed that Vista is the only platform showing significant - and accelerating - growth. In the Net Applications stats, Linux is right where the Intel exec would place it: flat-lined at 0.61%.
You keep posting those Hitslink numbers to "prove" that Vista is a success, even though they show no such thing. "Vista is the only platform showing significant... growth?" That must be why Hitslink issued a report in January on "Apple's Awesome Marketshare Gains."http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=9&qpcustom=Mac&sample=5
Also, although Hitslink's numbers only go back to October 2004, at that time XP already had 63.47% marketshare. XP had been out about three years, so the average gain over that period would be around 21% a year, compared to only 14% in over a year for Vista.http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=10&qptimeframe=M&qpsp=69
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Re:Vista is dying you say?
Oops, hit submit when I meant to hit preview... Here's the rest of my comment.
You should also have noticed that Vista is the only platform showing significant - and accelerating - growth. In the Net Applications stats, Linux is right where the Intel exec would place it: flat-lined at 0.61%.
You keep posting those Hitslink numbers to "prove" that Vista is a success, even though they show no such thing. "Vista is the only platform showing significant... growth?" That must be why Hitslink issued a report in January on "Apple's Awesome Marketshare Gains."http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=9&qpcustom=Mac&sample=5
Also, although Hitslink's numbers only go back to October 2004, at that time XP already had 63.47% marketshare. XP had been out about three years, so the average gain over that period would be around 21% a year, compared to only 14% in over a year for Vista.http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=10&qptimeframe=M&qpsp=69
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Re:Vista is dying you say?You have to follow a few links in the first link to get to this fine article where they explain that in 2007, XP's share went up in the enterprise.
There are stats that show a very different picture: Top Operating System Share Trend for May, 2007 to March, 2008
Win XP 74% Down From 83%
Vista 14% Up From 4%
It's interesting that the testers chose to compare a system running Ultimate with 1 GB RAM with an unknown version of XP.
If I were using Ultimate on the enterprise desktop, I would want it with full disk encryption enabled, TPM enabled. Performance on the lab bench would not be my prime concern.
The integrated Intel graphics chip is going to cut deeply into that 1 GB of RAM available to Vista.
Interesting as well that the testers didn't seem to grasp the differences in the way Vista manages applications and resources. Programs running under Vista should become more responsive the more you use them.
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Re:All hype or not, MS *does* need an image makeovRight now, their image is really tarnished on many fronts
Repetition becomes tedious.
But the Slashdot Geek seems to live within a bubble that no outside force can penetrate - without, of course, being modded down into oblivion.
"But, frankly, Scarlet, I don't give a damn."
Here are the links again, whether you like them or not:
MS Office
The Year of Office 2007
Microsoft SharePoint taking business by storm"The "magnitude of Office sales relative to the rest of the PC software market" is phenomenal. It's the massively huge tail wagging the dog."
"The talk [around SharePoint] is getting strategic now, and people are talking about it as a middleware decision. MOSS (Microsoft Office SharePoint Server) 2007 is the fastest growing product in the company's history."
MS Financial
Microsoft Q2 2008 by the Numbers
"Just four years ago, the majority of revenue came from North America. Now, 60 percent of sales are outside the United States. For the quarter, Microsoft sales increased 30 percent in emerging markets, 20 percent in established markets like Europe and 15 percent in the United States."
OS Market Share [Net Applications]
March 2008
OS Share Trend May 2007 - March 2008
OS Share Trend By Versions May 2007-March 2008MS Vista 14% Up 10% from May 07
Win XP 82% Down 9%
OSX 8% Up 1%
Linux 0.6% Up 0.2%In the familiar W3Schools stats it took Vista six months to grow from a 2% to 4% market share.
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Re:All hype or not, MS *does* need an image makeovRight now, their image is really tarnished on many fronts
Repetition becomes tedious.
But the Slashdot Geek seems to live within a bubble that no outside force can penetrate - without, of course, being modded down into oblivion.
"But, frankly, Scarlet, I don't give a damn."
Here are the links again, whether you like them or not:
MS Office
The Year of Office 2007
Microsoft SharePoint taking business by storm"The "magnitude of Office sales relative to the rest of the PC software market" is phenomenal. It's the massively huge tail wagging the dog."
"The talk [around SharePoint] is getting strategic now, and people are talking about it as a middleware decision. MOSS (Microsoft Office SharePoint Server) 2007 is the fastest growing product in the company's history."
MS Financial
Microsoft Q2 2008 by the Numbers
"Just four years ago, the majority of revenue came from North America. Now, 60 percent of sales are outside the United States. For the quarter, Microsoft sales increased 30 percent in emerging markets, 20 percent in established markets like Europe and 15 percent in the United States."
OS Market Share [Net Applications]
March 2008
OS Share Trend May 2007 - March 2008
OS Share Trend By Versions May 2007-March 2008MS Vista 14% Up 10% from May 07
Win XP 82% Down 9%
OSX 8% Up 1%
Linux 0.6% Up 0.2%In the familiar W3Schools stats it took Vista six months to grow from a 2% to 4% market share.
Linux five years. -
Re:All hype or not, MS *does* need an image makeovRight now, their image is really tarnished on many fronts
Repetition becomes tedious.
But the Slashdot Geek seems to live within a bubble that no outside force can penetrate - without, of course, being modded down into oblivion.
"But, frankly, Scarlet, I don't give a damn."
Here are the links again, whether you like them or not:
MS Office
The Year of Office 2007
Microsoft SharePoint taking business by storm"The "magnitude of Office sales relative to the rest of the PC software market" is phenomenal. It's the massively huge tail wagging the dog."
"The talk [around SharePoint] is getting strategic now, and people are talking about it as a middleware decision. MOSS (Microsoft Office SharePoint Server) 2007 is the fastest growing product in the company's history."
MS Financial
Microsoft Q2 2008 by the Numbers
"Just four years ago, the majority of revenue came from North America. Now, 60 percent of sales are outside the United States. For the quarter, Microsoft sales increased 30 percent in emerging markets, 20 percent in established markets like Europe and 15 percent in the United States."
OS Market Share [Net Applications]
March 2008
OS Share Trend May 2007 - March 2008
OS Share Trend By Versions May 2007-March 2008MS Vista 14% Up 10% from May 07
Win XP 82% Down 9%
OSX 8% Up 1%
Linux 0.6% Up 0.2%In the familiar W3Schools stats it took Vista six months to grow from a 2% to 4% market share.
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Re:Here come Barbra...But witness that recent brand-awareness survey. As understanding of the computer world seeps into mainstream conciousness, MSFT's rotten practices are coming back to haunt them.
The surveys that Microsoft cares about tend to look more like these:
The Year of Office 2007
Microsoft SharePoint taking business by storm
Microsoft Q2 2008 by the Numbers
Top Operating System Versions Share Trend for May, 2007 to March, 2008, Top Operating System Share Trend for May, 2007 to March, 2008 , Operating System Market Share for March, 2008In the Net Applications stats you'll find Vista winning a healthy 14% share of the market and Linux neatly sandwiched between Win NT and Win 98 with a 0.61% share.
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Re:Here come Barbra...But witness that recent brand-awareness survey. As understanding of the computer world seeps into mainstream conciousness, MSFT's rotten practices are coming back to haunt them.
The surveys that Microsoft cares about tend to look more like these:
The Year of Office 2007
Microsoft SharePoint taking business by storm
Microsoft Q2 2008 by the Numbers
Top Operating System Versions Share Trend for May, 2007 to March, 2008, Top Operating System Share Trend for May, 2007 to March, 2008 , Operating System Market Share for March, 2008In the Net Applications stats you'll find Vista winning a healthy 14% share of the market and Linux neatly sandwiched between Win NT and Win 98 with a 0.61% share.
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Re:Here come Barbra...But witness that recent brand-awareness survey. As understanding of the computer world seeps into mainstream conciousness, MSFT's rotten practices are coming back to haunt them.
The surveys that Microsoft cares about tend to look more like these:
The Year of Office 2007
Microsoft SharePoint taking business by storm
Microsoft Q2 2008 by the Numbers
Top Operating System Versions Share Trend for May, 2007 to March, 2008, Top Operating System Share Trend for May, 2007 to March, 2008 , Operating System Market Share for March, 2008In the Net Applications stats you'll find Vista winning a healthy 14% share of the market and Linux neatly sandwiched between Win NT and Win 98 with a 0.61% share.
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Re:Wow direct X 11This is great news for the 14 people who actually own Vista.
Vista is poised to claim a 20% share of the market - and Linux can't be seen without a magnifying glass.
Top Operating System Share Trend for April, 2007 to February, 2008. Operating System Market Share for February, 2008
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Re:Wow direct X 11This is great news for the 14 people who actually own Vista.
Vista is poised to claim a 20% share of the market - and Linux can't be seen without a magnifying glass.
Top Operating System Share Trend for April, 2007 to February, 2008. Operating System Market Share for February, 2008
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Re:Just rememberSlashdot readers alone probably account for a good sizable chunk of all your sales ever. Your company won't be the first to die in the flames of a hoard of angry geeks and you certainly won't be the last.
The geek with an ego the size of the planet.
Top Operating System Share Trend for April, 2007 to February, 2008
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Re:Another Columnist Discovers The Real WorldI think it has more to do with the fact that MS consistently shipped mediocre software, and that fact caught up with them in two ways
How do you explain these numbers?
Over two-thirds of the dollar volume growth in the U.S. retail PC software market in 2007 can be attributed to Microsoft Office. In other words, the ratio of Office dollar growth to total PC software growth is 67 percent. Office sales are so big, they make calculating broader PC software retail sales difficult. The "magnitude of Office sales relative to the rest of the PC software market" is phenomenal, "It's the massively huge tail wagging the dog. The Year of Office 2007
Vista is showing healthy growth in OS platform stats, while the *NIX platform has stagnated.
Top Operating System Share Trend for April, 2007 to February, 2008, Operating System Market Share for February, 2008
OS Platform Statistics February 200860% of Microsoft's revenues come from outside the U.S. It is seeing 30% growth - each quarter - in Asia and Africa, 20% in Europe, and 15% in the states. Microsoft Q2 2008 by the Numbers
Microsoft's client business, on sales of Windows Vista, was especially strong in the quarter, with $4.34 billion in revenue compared to $2.59 billion in revenue a year ago. According to Microsoft, its client business has grown 20 percent on average since Windows Vista was made available nearly a year ago... Microsoft beats forecasts for Q2
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Re:Another Columnist Discovers The Real WorldI think it has more to do with the fact that MS consistently shipped mediocre software, and that fact caught up with them in two ways
How do you explain these numbers?
Over two-thirds of the dollar volume growth in the U.S. retail PC software market in 2007 can be attributed to Microsoft Office. In other words, the ratio of Office dollar growth to total PC software growth is 67 percent. Office sales are so big, they make calculating broader PC software retail sales difficult. The "magnitude of Office sales relative to the rest of the PC software market" is phenomenal, "It's the massively huge tail wagging the dog. The Year of Office 2007
Vista is showing healthy growth in OS platform stats, while the *NIX platform has stagnated.
Top Operating System Share Trend for April, 2007 to February, 2008, Operating System Market Share for February, 2008
OS Platform Statistics February 200860% of Microsoft's revenues come from outside the U.S. It is seeing 30% growth - each quarter - in Asia and Africa, 20% in Europe, and 15% in the states. Microsoft Q2 2008 by the Numbers
Microsoft's client business, on sales of Windows Vista, was especially strong in the quarter, with $4.34 billion in revenue compared to $2.59 billion in revenue a year ago. According to Microsoft, its client business has grown 20 percent on average since Windows Vista was made available nearly a year ago... Microsoft beats forecasts for Q2
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Re:Brand DilutionThe difference between Vista and ME is that now people have a choice.
The choice they are making is for Vista:
Top Operating System Share Trend for April, 2007 to February, 2008
In the Net Applications stats Vista is the only OS showing significant growth - or, for that matter, any growth at all.
What the Mac platform loses the MacIntel platform wins, and, as for Linux it remains precisely where the Intel exec would place it, at 0.65%.
Operating System Market Share for February, 2008
The W3Schools stats are kinder to Linux. But the trend lines are the same. 8% for Vista. 8% for OSX and Linux combined. It took OSX and Linux five years to get where Vista is now.
The gBook retains a toehold for now. But the dual core Vista Premium laptop starts at $550. OS Platform Statistics
Linux is for sale at Dell and Walmart
The gPc has disappeared from Walmart.com [March 28]. You are redirected to the $278 Everex Impact Desktop PC. The same system upgraded to 1 GB RAM and Vista Home Basic.
The $400 VIA gBook hangs on for now. But the dual core Acer AMD laptop with Vista Premium is $550. Long-term, Walmart hasn't been able to sell OEM Linux at prices that significantly undercut Windows - and, lord knows, they have tried.
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Re:Brand DilutionThe difference between Vista and ME is that now people have a choice.
The choice they are making is for Vista:
Top Operating System Share Trend for April, 2007 to February, 2008
In the Net Applications stats Vista is the only OS showing significant growth - or, for that matter, any growth at all.
What the Mac platform loses the MacIntel platform wins, and, as for Linux it remains precisely where the Intel exec would place it, at 0.65%.
Operating System Market Share for February, 2008
The W3Schools stats are kinder to Linux. But the trend lines are the same. 8% for Vista. 8% for OSX and Linux combined. It took OSX and Linux five years to get where Vista is now.
The gBook retains a toehold for now. But the dual core Vista Premium laptop starts at $550. OS Platform Statistics
Linux is for sale at Dell and Walmart
The gPc has disappeared from Walmart.com [March 28]. You are redirected to the $278 Everex Impact Desktop PC. The same system upgraded to 1 GB RAM and Vista Home Basic.
The $400 VIA gBook hangs on for now. But the dual core Acer AMD laptop with Vista Premium is $550. Long-term, Walmart hasn't been able to sell OEM Linux at prices that significantly undercut Windows - and, lord knows, they have tried.
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The more things change...Think today's world, where Apple is the innovative underdog, Google is the company that does no evil, and Microsoft sits atop its throne as ruler of an evil empire. Will this state of affairs last forever?
Hmmm, could be...
Top Operating System Share Trend for April 2007 to February 2008
The Bet Applications stats show Vista poised to claim 20% of the market world-wide. Five times that of the MacIntel platform. Twenty times that of Linux.
Microsoft revenues are up 68% in the client division over Fiscal 2007.
60% of Microsoft's sales are outside the U.S. MS is seeing 30% increases in sales in markets like China, 20% in Europe, 15% in the states.
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Re:Nature of an OSThis incipient consumer rebellion is a relatively new phenomenon
What rebellion? The trend lines for Vista are strong:
Top Operating System Share Trend for April, 2007 to February, 2008
In the Net Applications stats Vista is about to claim a 20% share. Five times that of the MacIntel. Twenty times that of Linux.
Microsoft is so dominant at the consumer level that the numbers are difficult to grasp. 67 cents of every new retail dollar spent on software goes to MS Office.
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Re:Well...
Apparently, all these copies of Vista that no one is buying are connected to the internet somehow. More "M$" shenanigans?
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Re:wootwhy don't we just stop bothering with this moderation BS and pretending to be an unbiased site?
The unbiased site would have:
1 a seperate section for the family of operating systems to be found on 92% of the world's desktops and with a very significant presence in the server room and other markets.
Operating System Market Share for February, 2008
2 it would dispose of the stained glass window and Borg icons which set the tone for every posting
3 it would accept that Vista is showing sustained and healthy growth in the marketplace, while the *NIX platforms, other than OSX, appear stagnant.
Top Operating System Share Trend for April, 2007 to February, 2008
[Vista 13%. "The Other" 2%]
OS Platform Dtatistics February 2008
[Vista 8% Up from 0% in one year. Linux 4% Up from 2% in five years.] -
Re:wootwhy don't we just stop bothering with this moderation BS and pretending to be an unbiased site?
The unbiased site would have:
1 a seperate section for the family of operating systems to be found on 92% of the world's desktops and with a very significant presence in the server room and other markets.
Operating System Market Share for February, 2008
2 it would dispose of the stained glass window and Borg icons which set the tone for every posting
3 it would accept that Vista is showing sustained and healthy growth in the marketplace, while the *NIX platforms, other than OSX, appear stagnant.
Top Operating System Share Trend for April, 2007 to February, 2008
[Vista 13%. "The Other" 2%]
OS Platform Dtatistics February 2008
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Re:Fake fight, Slashdot has been trolled hard.it was done in a much nicer way than IE8 and Windows itself are forced onto users.
The geek might see more than a 0.65% market share for Linux on the desktop if he could let go the ides that Windows is "forced" on anyone.
In Asia and Africa where pirated copies of Windows compete with Linux on the streets, it is Windows that wins.
While WalMart has been trying for years to make OEM Linux mass-market in the states. Lindows. Xandros. The Sun Java System. The gPC... None has gone the distance.
It is easier for the geek to trot out his shopworn conspiracy theories than to look at Window's strengths and successes more deeply and more honestly.
--- and Vista is not the failure the geek pretends: OS Platform Stats
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Re:Go figure...
What utopia do you live in, and do you have room for one more?
Your argument is flawed. You somehow assume that if Windows gaming goes away that the consoles will suddenly make up and decide that it's better for them if they provide a cross platform API, which is also compatible with the Mac, Linux and Windows... That's just not what console manufacturers are interested in. Each console manufacturer would love to sweep the other two under the rug. The only way to do that is by distinguishing yourself from your competition.
The consoles will be disjoint until one of them wins. Then you'll have genuine, single-platform gaming.
Oh, and you could have cross-platform gaming right now on the PC if you really wanted to. There are numerous libraries to help that. Here's the reason that games don't show up on the mac (until later) and rarely show up on linux at all. For the cost of supporting one platform, I could have 91% of the market. If I double the cost I spent on supporting my windows specific code, I could add 7%. If I triple the cost, I could add an additional 0.65%.
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Re:Office 2007 ... still good enoughPeople who can't afford the full version of Office and are either not capable of or not comfortable with pirating it
Tell me how you can afford the consumables and not the software. Tell me who is paying retail list for a legit copy of Office.
Businesses who are looking at the amount Office costs per annum and would like to reduce this.
Changing your core business software is never simple and never without a price.
The MS Office system includes components not to be found in OpenOffice.org. Outlook is simply the most visible example.
It is trivially easy to find and recruit workers trained in MS Office. You have fifteen years experience in-house. There are countless third party programs and add-ons that integrate with MS Office...
People who can't/don't want to run Windows.
Which would currently be about 0.65% of OpenOffice.org's potential market. Operating System Market Share for February, 2008
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Re:Enterprises & Browser StatsSurely early adopter rates are just as interesting as late adopter rates and surely obscure browsers are what this story is interested in. Why aren't you asking Lynx users why they stick with a text interface?
There are other sources for browser stats: Browser Market Share for February, 2008 The source Net Applications.
The story isn't about obscure tech. It's about familiar tech that survives because users see no compelling reason to abandon it.
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Re:What?!
W3Schools server traffic is not a good representative sample of web traffic. According to NetApplications Netscape is used more than IE 5.
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Re:And now, for the two burning questions:
The point you're missing is that it's not the public who are waiting for browsers that pass Acid2. It's developers who are waiting. Even after Firefox 3 and IE 8 are released, web developers still won't be able to use all the great new features that Acid2 tests, because they won't work for all the users still using IE 7. The limiting step in what standards web developers use is still how fast Microsoft gets versions of IE out to the public and how fast they get users to upgrade to the new versions. It wouldn't make any difference if Safari, Opera, and Firefox all passed Acid2 the day after it was finished. Even if Firefox 3 is released after IE 8, Firefox users will upgrade to the latest version much faster than IE users, the same way that currently 95% of Firefox users are using the latest version of Firefox, but only 60% IE users are using the latest version of IE, according to NetApplications.
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Calling Captain ObviousWhat do you think are the most important obstacles barring the big game publishers from reaching out to the Linux market more than they already do?
Is this a trick question?
Net Applications gives Linux 0.65% of the market. In line with the Intel exec.
Operating System Market Share for February, 2008 W3Schools is more charitable. But in their stats Linux has shown 1% growth in four years, Vista 7% growth in one. OS Platform StatsIf you develop for the XBox 360 you get the PC market as a bonus - and vice-versa. If you are in the big leagues you get a say in the evolution of DX10 hardware and software.
After ten years, there is a still a market for the boxed set of Half-Life 1 There is no incentive for the gamer to migrate to Linux if any game he has ever owned can play under XP and Vista with a minimum of tweaking.
The high end video card becomes the entry level card in two or three years. It will have a mature set of drivers. Gaming on a budget is perfectly feasible even under Vista.
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Re:#1: Size of potential market.
I would LOVE to see someone put actual real statistics to this thought process!
Now, about those real statistics.... anyone?
Linux market share reported as: 0.65% to 1.34%
http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=9
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20070903-linux-marketshare-set-to-surpass-windows-98.html
While it may appear that Windows has a larger market share, consider the following quote,
From GameDaily,
"PC gaming is in a weird position right now. Now, 60% of PCs on the market don't have a workable graphics processor at all. All the Intel integrated graphics are still incapable of running any modern games. So you really have to buy a PC knowing that you're going to play games in order to avoid being stuck with integrated graphics. This is unfortunate, and this is one of main reasons behind the decline of the PC as a gaming platform," he said. "That really has endangered high-end PC game sales. In the past, if you bought a game, it would at least work. It might not have been a great experience, but it would always work." - http://www.gamedaily.com/articles/news/epic-ceo-pcs-arent-good-for-gaming/?biz=1
So, Windows may have a larger market share in the PC desktop market, but only 40% of them can even play a game and even less of those can play a modern game.
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Re:the difference does not matter.Free software is simply cleaner and works better. If the ability to run DirectX 9 under Wine was not enough to move gamers to Linux, this is.
Operating System Market Share for February, 2008
Linux with a 0.65% market share.
In the W3Schools OS Platform Stats Linux has seen 1% growth in four years, Vista 7% growth in one year.The test suite is at best a snapshot of performance at a particular moment in time. It is rarely as objective a measure of the user's experience as its proponents claim.
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What matters to you doesn't matter to meSome OS's *cough*Linux*cough*BSD*cough* let you choose among dozens of different UI's without messing with the kernel.
and collectively these alternatives have won less than a 1% share of the desktop. Operating System Market Share for February, 2008
Three things the Geek will never understand:
No one else has the slightest desire to muck around "under the hood."
Users like a consistent "look and feel" across applications. You develop for Windows or the Mac you know what your clients want to see. Go your own way and you are hobbled like the GIMP.
The UI is the "public face" of the operating system. That one billion users world-wide have settled on the Windows GUI with minimal customization ought to tell him something.
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Re:1.3 billion
Well, Linux, OSX, Firefox gaining marketshare is great, but still microsoft has well over 90% of desktop OS share:
http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=8#
And IE has over 75% of marketshare in browsers:
http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=0
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Re:1.3 billion
Well, Linux, OSX, Firefox gaining marketshare is great, but still microsoft has well over 90% of desktop OS share:
http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=8#
And IE has over 75% of marketshare in browsers:
http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=0
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Re:Open source and standards ftw!
*And yet MS still controls an approximate 75% of the web browser market, Windows still controls an approximate 90% of the OS market, and there has been more than 2x as many 360's as there are PS3s sold.
As much as I might like Linux and OSS ideologies to replace Windows and MS, I honestly believe you would have to be living in dream land to think that MS is all of the sudden going to implode, let alone do it within the next 2-3 years. Just like Firefox has slowly and steadily taken market share from IE6+7, Linux will slowly and steadily take market share from Windows.
Why won't it happen fast? Firefox is a (if not the) poster child OSS program, and receives a significant amount of word of mouth advertising. It is free (in many ways, but cost is the only one that the vast majority cares about), and is almost 100% of the time rated as better than IE in reviews. And yet despite all these reasons its (albeit growing) market share is around 15%, compared to the vastly worse IE 6's 42ish% and IE 7's 32ish%.
Obviously, technical superiority and free-ness are not good enough reasons to get everyone to switch over in one big surge. Over time as Linux and OSS software in general continues to improve, the momentum to change will increase, but this change will not happen overnight. Here's to hoping for a majority market share in the next 3-4 years, but I wouldn't bet money on anything less than 6 years, and I wouldn't be surprised if it took 10 or more.
I'm not trying to be pessimistic or defeatist, but rather realistic. If it weren't for the fact that I am a tech nerd and encouraged people to switch I think nearly all my friends and family would still be using IE, let alone know what Linux is.
*Disclaimer: Yes I realize no market share analyzer is 100%, or even 90% accurate, and yes I realize these often have a tendency to under-represent Linux, but these statistics do give at least a general idea of where the majority is at. -
Re:Open source and standards ftw!
*And yet MS still controls an approximate 75% of the web browser market, Windows still controls an approximate 90% of the OS market, and there has been more than 2x as many 360's as there are PS3s sold.
As much as I might like Linux and OSS ideologies to replace Windows and MS, I honestly believe you would have to be living in dream land to think that MS is all of the sudden going to implode, let alone do it within the next 2-3 years. Just like Firefox has slowly and steadily taken market share from IE6+7, Linux will slowly and steadily take market share from Windows.
Why won't it happen fast? Firefox is a (if not the) poster child OSS program, and receives a significant amount of word of mouth advertising. It is free (in many ways, but cost is the only one that the vast majority cares about), and is almost 100% of the time rated as better than IE in reviews. And yet despite all these reasons its (albeit growing) market share is around 15%, compared to the vastly worse IE 6's 42ish% and IE 7's 32ish%.
Obviously, technical superiority and free-ness are not good enough reasons to get everyone to switch over in one big surge. Over time as Linux and OSS software in general continues to improve, the momentum to change will increase, but this change will not happen overnight. Here's to hoping for a majority market share in the next 3-4 years, but I wouldn't bet money on anything less than 6 years, and I wouldn't be surprised if it took 10 or more.
I'm not trying to be pessimistic or defeatist, but rather realistic. If it weren't for the fact that I am a tech nerd and encouraged people to switch I think nearly all my friends and family would still be using IE, let alone know what Linux is.
*Disclaimer: Yes I realize no market share analyzer is 100%, or even 90% accurate, and yes I realize these often have a tendency to under-represent Linux, but these statistics do give at least a general idea of where the majority is at. -
Tell me what the boys in the back room will haveGranted, these things are mostly routers cell phones and telephone exchanges, but the fact that ordinary yokels cannot see the mountain of Linux devices in the field, doesn't mean that they aren't there.
Linux is successful in environments where the average user has little or no engagement with the OS.
The OS in tucked away in box that manages the office telephone network It has a single job to do that no one but the Geek - who is also tucked away in a box somewhere - understands.
The yokels, Ma and Pa Kettle, as another poster called them, have a remarkably good ear for picking up on what the Geek really thinks of them. That does not translate into a warm reception for what is preeminently the Geek's OS.
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Re:Now can we all please just shut up about it?
Quick link to some liberal nerd website where it claims Vista will be the downfall of the evil corporation and it is all because of DRM.
There's another report on the site which I thought was interesting
http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qptimeframe=M&qpsp=106&qpmr=300&qpdt=1&qpcustomb=*2&qpcustomd=US&qprid=13&sample=2
So 'liberals' aren't opposed to big corporations and DRM per se. Macs actually have 12%+ market share in CA and NY. -
Re:Now can we all please just shut up about it?It's actually from here
http://marketshare.hitslink.com/ We use a unique methodology for collecting this data. We collect data from the browsers of site visitors to our exclusive on-demand network of live stats customers. The data is compiled from approximately 160 million visitors per month. The information published is an aggregate of the data from this network of hosted website statistics. The site unique visitor and referral information is summarized on a monthly basis. -
Stop with the misleading statistics ...
Please, stop submitting this data about Linux on having a %0.6 market share because it's misleading. Net Applications clearly states that their methodology for collecting this data is to "collect data from the browsers of site visitors to our exclusive on-demand network of live stats customers."
http://marketshare.hitslink.com/
This is not an aggregate of a random sampling of websites or even a diversified cross section of websites, but only a population of their client customers. And who are their client customers? Take a look at the population they use:
"Additional estimates about the website population:
76% participate in pay per click programs to drive traffic to their sites
43% are commerce sites
18% are corporate sites
10% are content sites
29% classify themselves as other (includes gov, org, search engine marketers etc..)"
What these statistics tell us is that the customers of Net Application clients use these OS's in these percentages, not the overall usage of OS's people are using when browsing the internet. -
Nobody uses Vista?
SO. Nobody uses Vista in comparison to OS X or Linux? ouch, looks like a whole magnitude of people use Vista over OS X or Linux. According to this link, if you took all the Linux and Apple users and put them into a single group, it STILL wouldn't be as many people who are using Vista by a good size chunk (let alone XP), so let's not repeat that lie again.
I don't mind people being critical of anything, but please be honest in your critique. And whatever you do don't use Apple as an example of "the way things should be".
I'm sure this will be tagged flamebait or troll. That's kind of ironic when I'm replying to all these guy's tagged 'informative' who say "Nobody uses Vista" when they are obviously providing false information. If pointing out a blatant lie makes me a troll so be it. -
Re:Fewest Users = Fewest Flaws
Two points here:
1. Slashdotters have maintained for years that userbase size has(almost) no relation to the number of exploits an OS gets. MS fanboys would claim that OSX and Linux had fewer exploits because they had a much smaller userbase, and they'd be ripped to shreds by slashdotters that would accuse them of engaging in logical fallacy. Your statement that Vista has fewer flaws because it has fewer users goes directly against long held slashdot doctrine. And yet other slashdotters appear to be agreeing with you, which raises the question of just how closely slashdotters held that doctrine. Seems it was only a closely held belief when needed to defend OSX and Linux from MS fanboys.
2. Your premise is wrong anyway. The report says that Vista has fewer flaws in its first year than did XP, some version of Red Hat, and OSX 10.4 did in their first years (and it's not even close). But Vista actually has MORE users in its first year than all of those OSes did in their first years (and has more users than OSX and Red Hat, period). XP had a greater userbase percentage in its first year, but fewer actual users because the number of computers was 5 times smaller back when XP was released.
Incidentally, Here are some Dec 2007 OS userbase share stats according to web hits:
XP: 76.9%
Vista: 10.5%
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Re:Yes it is
Stuff you build on Visual Studio works on 90+% of the computers in the world. For most people, that's enough.
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Re:Source?Could you point me to where I can find evidence to support this over/under-estimation? From Marketshare.hitslink.com article:
January, 2008 - Apple's Awesome Market Share Gains
Apple's market share gains in December for the Mac and iPhone are impressive. However, for the last days of December, the numbers are nothing short of spectacular.
First, the month-to-month numbers:
Product November Share December Share
Mac (all lines) 6.80% 7.31%
iPhone
(Please note these numbers are a percentage of visitors accessing sites across our network. Please go to our home page to see our methodology.)
Great numbers. Apple's market share rose 7.5% for the Mac and 33% for the iPhone in a single month.
However, the really good news for Apple came at the end of the month. For the last two days of December, Apple had the following numbers:
Product December 30-31 Share
Mac (all lines) 8.01%
iPhone
This represents a phenomenal increase of 18% from November for the Mac and 89% for the iPhone. In addition, the iPhone has been taking off in France and the other countries it has been launched in, including an amazing
Country iPhone Browsing Share December 30-31
United States
United Kingdom
France
Another interesting aspect of this data is that these numbers do not include visitors using Windows on Mac hardware via Boot Camp or other program. Therefore, these numbers actually understate the market share for the Mac. We have no way of telling by how much, however.
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Re:meh statistics
What's more is that the trend line for growth is actually slowing down...
For OSX the market growth between January '07 and December '07 is only 17.5% (from 6.22% to 7.31%) compared to the 48% growth from December '06 to Jan '07 (4.21 to 6.22).
Looking at Linux the numbers Dec06 to Jan07 is only a 20% growth (from
http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=9&qpdt=1&qpct=4&qptimeframe=M&qpsp=96&qpnp=12
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Re:Linux market share?The stats are global, but they're from HitsLink, http://marketshare.hitslink.com./ This site is known to overestimate Mac market share and to underestimate Linux market share.
Can I get a source on that 'knowledge' and where I can get facts supporting a greater market share?
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Re:only if the user can afford to...
Most people I knew to run Linux did not run it for the costs (me including). It is a tool of the trade and my optimal working environment. So 500$ is not going to phase me if it does the job. Windows simply does not.
As far as the article, frankly it is based on the "optimistic" stats. A while ago there was another article on Slashdot which was on Vista vs MacOSX based on browser usage. It had some striking stats. A nearly direct correlation between "all others" and MacOS growth along with no correlation between Windows XP decrease. Essentially looking at those stats it was clearly obvious that the primary source of MacOS growth in the beginning were not Windows converts, but Unix converts:
http://marketshare.hitslink.com/report.aspx?qprid=5 -
Re:Linux market share?
The stats are global, but they're from HitsLink, http://marketshare.hitslink.com./ This site is known to overestimate Mac market share and to underestimate Linux market share.