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Re:Experimental Autopilot checks out positive!
I think what you want is halfprice-escorts.com. Paste at your own risk.
Another picture of Otto Pilot with some other guy. -
Re:Arms
If you are referring to Iraq, for example, sir you have no clue. You can't overwhelm them with numbers unless you are going start indiscriminately massacring innocent civilians, kind of like the U.S. tried in flattening Fallujah.
I got a *serious* issue with this statement. Were you there? Do you know anything about the fight? Do you know what happened? I have 4 personal friends, Marines, no less that were IN that fight. And you know what, there was NOT ONE civilian killed. Certainly not a massacre as you describe. Our Marines were fighting for their LIVES.
http://www.indcjournal.com/archives/001320.php
http://www.indcjournal.com/archives/001324.php
My close friends were in the line of fire for 16 months, in Fallujah and Tal Afar. There were no civilians, as they were removed from the city PRIOR to military action. In Tal Afar, they were removed by Iraqi Security Forces. The only people left were insurgents, and they were warned - get out of the city or we will take you prisoner. As you all well know by now, they would rather DIE than be taken alive. There were well over 1,000 insurgents left behind during the Fight for Fallujah, but no civilians were harmed. And that's from eyes on the ground, fuck the goddamn liberal media. They get it wrong 90% of the time anyway.
Please, before you go sputing off about things you don't know, do a little research. Most of all, use your reason and logic I know you were blessed with. May I point you in the direction of the BBC produced program on the History Channel - ShootOut! - they have two episodes that deal directly with the Fight for Fallujah, as well as the March for Baghdad (more like sprint, but we won't tell). You just *might* learn something useful.
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Re:Arms
If you are referring to Iraq, for example, sir you have no clue. You can't overwhelm them with numbers unless you are going start indiscriminately massacring innocent civilians, kind of like the U.S. tried in flattening Fallujah.
I got a *serious* issue with this statement. Were you there? Do you know anything about the fight? Do you know what happened? I have 4 personal friends, Marines, no less that were IN that fight. And you know what, there was NOT ONE civilian killed. Certainly not a massacre as you describe. Our Marines were fighting for their LIVES.
http://www.indcjournal.com/archives/001320.php
http://www.indcjournal.com/archives/001324.php
My close friends were in the line of fire for 16 months, in Fallujah and Tal Afar. There were no civilians, as they were removed from the city PRIOR to military action. In Tal Afar, they were removed by Iraqi Security Forces. The only people left were insurgents, and they were warned - get out of the city or we will take you prisoner. As you all well know by now, they would rather DIE than be taken alive. There were well over 1,000 insurgents left behind during the Fight for Fallujah, but no civilians were harmed. And that's from eyes on the ground, fuck the goddamn liberal media. They get it wrong 90% of the time anyway.
Please, before you go sputing off about things you don't know, do a little research. Most of all, use your reason and logic I know you were blessed with. May I point you in the direction of the BBC produced program on the History Channel - ShootOut! - they have two episodes that deal directly with the Fight for Fallujah, as well as the March for Baghdad (more like sprint, but we won't tell). You just *might* learn something useful.
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Re:Lies?
Or the satellite photos of Russian trucks leaving key installations known to house WMDs for Syria before the invasion? This is a new one, I have never ever heard this one - wheres the evidence? Wheres the photos? Wheres the outcry?
I have heard this from repeated sources, including men who were in the ground invasion. Check out this site for a lot of very interesting links through.... I know it's a blog, but I actually read through the links on the page.... this very well could have happened, and NOT been fabricated. Gee, and ya wonder why Syria is nervous and making a display of force.
http://www.indcjournal.com/archives/001223.php
I'm also searching to see what else I can find! :) I haven't found any photos yet, but I'll touch back if I do.
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Re:No, no we're not.
They should have held up one or two exemplary examples of blogging done right - good content and timley information (and a lack of words like "dat", "ur", "OMG", "LOL", and "ROFLMAO")
You mean, like, instead of holding up our buddy Howard "YEEEEEEEEEAAAAARRRRRGGGGHHHH!" Dean (who, according to Dave Barry, is most famous for "making a sound like a hog being castrated with a fondue fork"), they could have mentioned, oh, I dunno...
The people who broke Rathergate, maybe? A marketing guy in DC who dug up a forensics document expert or Charles Johnson and his famous reproduction of the faked memos?
How about Glenn Reynolds? Or Moulitsas Zúniga? Who really rallied the troops this election season?
Howard Dean??
What about some of the many Iraqi blogs - written by, you know, people on the ground, as it were? How about Spirit of America's Arabic blogging tool, and the bloggers who took the the challenge to raise money for it?
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Already debunked
God this is so old and debunked trash. The guy who broke it allready has noted that it was a pen. According to the rabidly right wing fox news.
Jesus christ, this kind of wild speculation doesn't belong on slashdot. Oh wait, nevermind..... -
Andrew Sullivan != Conservative, but here are someThere was a time when Andrew Sullivan could have conceivably been labeled a conservative, but it's passed. Sullivan's analysis of the war on terror used to be interesting, but since he become a single interest voter over the issue of gay marriage, it's colored the rest of his thinking and writing. These days he's probably best described as an "angry moderate."
If you really want to read a high-quality conservative blog, here are two from National Review Online:
- The Corner, a braided-blog with constributions by many of NR's writers, run by Kathryn Jean Lopez, and
- The Kerry Spot, penned by Jim Geraghty, whichs follows Kerry and his campaign closely, as well as related subjects. (The Kerry Spot was one of the best sites to follow for updates on Rathergate.
- http://www.powerlineblog.com/
- Instapundit
- Little Green Footballs
- http://www.allahpundit.com/
- Rather Biased, which perked back to life after the scandal broke.
- http://www.rathergate.com/, which sprang into being shortly after the scandal broke
- http://www.indcjournal.com/
- Finally, although I'm less of a regular reader, it was a poster on Free Republic who first broke the story.
Well, that should get you started. in truth, except for the NR blogs, I was only an occasional readers of the others before the Rathergate story broke, but now I'm much more of a regular reader, much to the detriment of my productivity...
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Re:Criminal complaint?Is it illegal to falsify government documents?
Yes. A number of "bloggers" who are also lawyers (which seems to be most of them) have looked into this idea. There are three different laws (AFIAK) that could apply.
- There is a Texas law regarding falsifying government records. The fake TexANG letterhead on the forgeries qualifies these documents. Even if they were "private" memos they were the private memos of a National Guard officer in his capacity as such. One of them purports to be an official order so that one definitely qualifies.
- There is a Texas forgery law regarding forgery with the intent to defraud or harm another. "Harm" is pretty broadly defined, certainly tarnishing a reputation or two (Bush, Staudt) qualifies.
- If the culprit is subject to the UCMJ there is a forged military documents law.
Beyond those laws there is the potential for a civil suit. Bush certainly has grounds though he would never sue because of the politics of it. Staudt could sue. I believe Killian's widow and son could sue under a Texas law which allows the estate of a dead person to sue for libel on the deceased's behalf. One of the memos mentions Killian committing a felony by backdating (that is, falsifying) a government document a violation of laws number two and three above.
Finally, tangentially related, the two document analysts that came forward to ABC & the Washington Post may have a claim against CBS since in a public statements CBS said those experts "misrepresented" their communications to CBS. Given the nature of their profession the accusation that they misrepresented themselves (i.e. "lied") is a pretty serious accusation and if false is probably actionable. -
Re:Try this
At this point, CNN is reporting that the documents are very likely forged, including the opinion of a guy who is specifically an expert on IBM Composers.
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/09/10/bush.gua rd.ap/index.html
Dr Phil Bouffard, one of the top experts in the field, is nearly conclusively certain that they're forged.
http://www.indcjournal.com/archives/000851.php
MSNBC is reporting experts in several areas who say they're forged.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5963843/
The Washington Post has a number of experts who strongly believe the documents were forged.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A996 7-2004Sep9.html
And you've got Kos.
Read the stories. Think for yourself.
And for crying out loud learn to post a link. There's even a little crib in the edit window on Slashdot, for God's sake. -
Re:Try thisWell, we're getting into the battle of the experts, but Dr Phillip Bouffard, who is a certified forensic expert in typography, disagrees with you:
* He said that he didn't know who CBS contacted to verify the document's authenticity, but that there is really only one other man that may be more qualified to determine authentic typefaces than himself. I think that the burden of proof may be on CBS to reveal this information.
I asked him to put a percentage on the chances that this was a fake, and he said that was "hard to put a number on it." I then suggested "90%?" Again he said it's "hard to put an exact number, but I'd say it's at least that high, sure. I pretty much agree that that font is Times New Roman."
I hesitate to render verdicts, but based on an initial visual analysis by one of the country's foremost forensic document analysts that specializes in old typefaces, it looks like CBS was duped.
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List of websites:
Here are a few websites that reference this situation:
UPI: breaking news
littlegreenfootballs.com
AllahPundit here and here and here.
indcjournal.com
cnsnews.com
command-post.org
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Re:They had superscripting typwriters in 1973?Here's what a professional forensic expert had to say...
Regarding the small "th" after the date, Dr. Bouffard told me that it was possible to order specialty keys that would duplicate the automatic miniaturization completed by word processors after a numerical date, but it was certainly not standard, and wouldn't make a lot of sense in a military setting. "That by itself, while suspicious, is not impossible, but in conjunction with the (font irregularity of the) number four, it is really significant," he said.
The number four problem is described thusly...Next, Dr. Bouffard began entering individual characters in an attempt to match them to the remaining fonts that were available on proportional spacing typewriters of that era, focusing on numbers. Thus far, one character stood out, the number "4." In the document provided by CBS News, the number 4 does not "have a foot" and has a "closed top," which is indicative of Times New Roman, a font exclusive to more modern computer word processing programs. other characters matched the old proportional spacing fonts (available on only a small few typewriters of the era), but this number did not (please note that this is only an initial analysis with numerical characters).
The fact that it matches so closely to a word document is very significant. One way to tell something is forged is to be able to reproduce the document yourself. And the degree to which they match (not accounting for the xeroxing) is nothing short of exact.
Dr. Bouffard ran this number and could not find a match in his entire database of over 4,000 typewriter fonts that have been maintained and collected into his computer database since 1988. Otherwise, the font is very indicative of Times New Roman, the font that is only available on computer word processing programs.
Sorry folks, this is most assuredly a fake.
Of course I was convinced when I heard it was proportional too. Not because it was unavailable at the time, but because no lazy military clerk worth his salt would take the additional time to write with proportional font for just a Memo. Also it seems that the lack of letterhead and innacuracies in the address are sending this little attempt down the toilet, and hopefully taking CBS with it. -
Re:IBM started making proportional typewriters in
The IBM Executive series of typewriters did not have a "th" key. Nor did it have a curly quote mark as seen in these memos. Nor did it have the distinctive number 4 as seen in these memos.
The font used in this document has been identified by a leading forensic expert as Microsoft Times New Roman, a font that didn't even exist in 1984 when the alleged signer of these documents died. -
It was the 4 that convinced me it was fake
The guy at indcjournal called a document specialist friend of his:
http://www.indcjournal.com/archives/000838.php
It was the "4" that convinced me. It's "closed" in the pdf.
I remember that typewriters used open-top 4s, because it caused less problems with ink blotches. Its only when people started using computers that they switched to closed 4's. Though my memory might be faulty, that's what this guy found too.
Which I think only highlights the importance of having each candidate sign a Form 180 so that we can be sure that all documentation of their service comes forward. -
Re:I want to join the fun
I'm going to ignore your accusations that the majority of the protestors hate American troops, because it's not getting us anywhere.
Oh, incidentally, check these out. These are new.
"Solidarity with Iraqi Resistance Against Occupation by all means necessary LEAVE IRAQ ALONE"
"Call for Mutiny of US FORCES in Iraq"
"Support the Iraqi Resistance Movement!"
"Solidarity with the Iraqi Resistance! Solidarity with Anti-Imperialism Everywhere!"
"Support the Iraqi resistance. Australian troops out of Iraq." (Apparently Oz has problems with traitors, too.)
Gee. I wonder where I could have ever gotten the idea that "protesters" advocate the killing of American troops. -
Re:I want to join the fun
I'm going to ignore your accusations that the majority of the protestors hate American troops, because it's not getting us anywhere.
Oh, incidentally, check these out. These are new.
"Solidarity with Iraqi Resistance Against Occupation by all means necessary LEAVE IRAQ ALONE"
"Call for Mutiny of US FORCES in Iraq"
"Support the Iraqi Resistance Movement!"
"Solidarity with the Iraqi Resistance! Solidarity with Anti-Imperialism Everywhere!"
"Support the Iraqi resistance. Australian troops out of Iraq." (Apparently Oz has problems with traitors, too.)
Gee. I wonder where I could have ever gotten the idea that "protesters" advocate the killing of American troops. -
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