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I've been wondering for a now if there is a project somewhere to come out with a BSD-licensed replacement for bash.

Well, there's a non-GPLed Bourne-compatible shell with history and job control (well, yeah, I think AT&T finally added job control to the Bourne shell in SVR4, if I remember correctly) and some other enhancements, and it even comes with Mac OS X (and has since at least Leopard, maybe further back). It's not a Bash clone (especially given that it antedates Bash...), but sometimes that's a feature (control-O FTW!).

Just had to reply with this

Korn meets KoRN

Yes. It has always been available, but having it appear on other people's machines is good.

My first summer job in high school was at the Warren AT&T archives. I wound up staying on for 4 years

The archive is a treasure trove of hardware for sure, but there are an incredible number of technical papers and photographs as well; Bell and Watson's lab notes while developing the phone, research notes on the development of the transistor and the Lab's UNIX flavor and more. David Korn's research notes on Ksh development or Arno Penzias' reports of his accidential verification of cosmic background radiation might be of interest to some /. collectors should the whole lot end up on the auction block.

The place is crazy. It's not just the History of AT&T, it's the Great Library of information technology. Hopefully SBC will see it that way too. Last I heard, they had completed indexing and uncrating over 9 miles of paper case files (researcher's project notes) from the 1890's to 1980's. The number of talented scientists who spent their lives at the Labs helping create the IT infrastructure you're soaking in is astounding. As a research lab supported by a monopoly utility, they had unprecedented resources to explore all kinds of ideas. It's all there. Neat stuff.

One of my favourite pieces was a 1960's prototype for an operator's uniform. Very Star Trek:TOS. Ohura's uniform in gold lamee. Some Suit thought it might be a good idea to have all the operators (almost entirely female at the time) wear uniforms, and this is what they came up with.

But I'm waxing philosophic. SBC will save the tech documents at least, to protect the intellectual property they're buying with the hard assets. As for the old phone booths, recording equipment and videophone prototypes, maybe they'll end up in private collections or museums. Either way, hopefully more people will get to see and appreciate them.

You sure it's not a Korn field? (ok, lame Unix humor, I know)

(sorry, I'm not talking about the band - although the Korn dev did get a Kornshell book signed by the band)

You sure it's not a Korn field? (ok, lame Unix humor, I know)

(sorry, I'm not talking about the band - although the Korn dev did get a Kornshell book signed by the band)

there's also the real kornshell for linux. Not too many people seem to know it, though.

But then, all I code for is bash, anyway.

Then you're missing the wonderful world of Korn?

Have to agree with the above poster, commercial systems at this point will have it, and it's available open-sourced for Linux, so I use it as my preferred shell between the Sun boxes I use at work and the Linux desktops I reach them through.

You can get it to give you ksh! For free,too!

Bad Idea, man. Don't EVER ask a question like that on /., or you'll get fried. 'cuz everybody here knows that "Flash sux(TM)" because Flashsites [insert random website flaw here].
And, by the way, why in hell don't you use HTML 1.1 compliant design, it's all you need. Check out Kornshell and XFree for prime examples of the great webdesign feats achieved in HTML.

To answer your question: I'd predesign templates in Flash 5 and then use ming to modify them. Ming even offers the ability to dynamically insert ActionScript into generated Flash, so it actually is quite powerfull.

Unless the Anon Cow was referring to the band...

Maybe you should see this...

For information on Korn shell, see http://www.kornshell.com/

With ksh, you can more easily interoperate with commercial UNIX systems, which now a days all come with ksh.

While I do like Ruby, it doesn't have the support behind it that Python does. Thats why I use Python, and not Ruby.

This is a nice example of path dependence. You use it becuase more people use it, and so on and so on. Things that don't catch on sometimes don't catch on because of tiny, idiosyncratic, reasons, but then the competition snowballs. The canonical example of the QWERY keyborad is overused (and sometimes disputed), but you get the idea.

Besides, there are so many scripting languages. David Korn pointed out here on /. that ksh can do most anything perl can. Why not use ksh, then? Ad nausaeum.

It would take more than the link in this article to convince me that zsh is actually as good as ksh93. ;-)

This is a Unix FAQ, ksh FAQ, and a Bash FAQ. As a bonus, I found this pertinent discussion in the NetBSD bug database.

There is, in a vague sort of way. There was some incedent a couple of years ago where they somehow met (David Korn and KoRn) and laughed it up.
There are some wierd pictures of the pudgy nerd hanging out with the dreadlocked wierdos. Look at this for pictures of the band and david and wierdo fans.

Hope that helps,
Brant
Brant

Check out "Korn meets KoRN"

The guy actually has a copy of ``The New Kornshell: Command and Programming Language'' signed by KoRn members David Silveria, Fieldy and Munky.

I just read the ksh FAQ and I found this :

Q6. Are any further releases of ksh planned?
A6. Yes, we are in the process of planning for a newer version, ksh200X.
We are interested in suggestions for new features.
Again, most of the focus will be on scripting and reusability.


As I believe this poll is also aimed at defining these improvements I was thinking of the following:
Ksh is supposed to make people's life easier and I use it whenever integrating e-payment software on my servers.
I was then wondering whether some feature that I saw in VMS could be implemented in Ksh: directory-specific profiles.
For example, you log on and set your environment (profile) with your .profile. It'd be cool, IMHO to have the possibility (which could be activated or not whenever launching ksh) to set some .profile files in any directory so that by changing directories, one could easily update its configuration to the most relevant settings.
This would not only apply for a user working with the prompt but also whenever launching some specific scripts that are suppose to activate some binaries or whatever else somewhere.
This would then allow some context-sensitive programs to be automatically executed with a minimal knowledge of the environment.
So, I wouldn't have to say to the logged user to set their environement a given way whenever working or not with some apps.
BTW, some similar feature also exists on Acorn RiscOS platforms and really makes one's life easier.
I think this is not incompatible with Unix and may even widen its possibilities (from the user's point of view).

Finally, here's my question: Do you want to restrict Ksh to fit a stereotypic Posix environment look'n feel or are you working to make it a real enhancement of such systems, especially in ergonomy?
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Korn meets KoRN

Too, too weird.

Korn meets KoRN

Too, too weird.

Korn meets KoRN

Too, too weird.

David Korn (of ksh fame) came up with the idea of an automated online Nader vote exchanger (check the whois database for voteswap.com and voteswap.org).

The new license is supposed to relax this requirement, and to get rid of the complex deal with gtl inc - in my view an almost purely legal entity created to handle licensing on behalf of the multiple owners of the at&t software -- AT&T+NCR+Lucent(bell labs)!!!

-- Henk Langeveld

AT&T has released free source and binaries of KornShell for non-commerical and educational use.

Maybe I didn't look at the right web page. The license displayed on the download page is confusing. I didn't see a restriction to non-commercial and educational use in that license. Can anyone clarify the situation?