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No it doesn't need a new phone. Windows 10 mobile is just the next version of the OS that comes after 8.1

... if your phone is included in the list of eligible phones. Otherwise, you are out of luck.

You can disable this via the registry DWORD (0) at HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\Policies\Microsoft\Windows\CurrentVersion\Internet Settings\EnableAutoproxyResultCache.

https://support.microsoft.com/...

https://support.microsoft.com/...

As between you and the Microsoft installation guide [microsoft.com], updated two days ago, I'm deeming the installation guide more credible.

Prerequisites
1. Windows 10 Anniversary Update - build 14393 Available as of 8/2/2016
2. x64-based processor
3. Your PC must have an AMD/Intel x64 compatible CPU
4. You must be a member of the (free) Windows Insider Program (Preferably Fast-Ring)
5. Your PC must be running a 64-bit version of Windows 10 Anniversary Update build 14316 or later

it would need to have its own power supply

You're right, I forgot. Use geothermal from even deeper underground. TNX!

By the way, what function does this isolated computer perform?

Solitaire. What else is there?

Anyone with the anniversary update can use it. It's not Windows Insider specific since the release.

As between you and the Microsoft installation guide, updated two days ago, I'm deeming the installation guide more credible.

Prerequisites
1. Windows 10 Anniversary Update - build 14393 Available as of 8/2/2016
2. x64-based processor
3. Your PC must have an AMD/Intel x64 compatible CPU
4. You must be a member of the (free) Windows Insider Program (Preferably Fast-Ring)
5. Your PC must be running a 64-bit version of Windows 10 Anniversary Update build 14316 or later

My (and likely your) Microsoft ID is still in the Windows Insider Program, even if Get Insider Preview Builds is not active on that particular installation. Unless you've actually installed it, using only a local account or one known not to have ever signed up as an Insider, you can't support that claim.

Dear DRJlaw,
We hereby inform you that Windows Insider version of our software is what the outside world calls alpha version.
First release version of our software is the beta stage.
Service Pack 1 (or even 2 in some cases) is what outsider would call the finished product.
Signed,
Your friendly Microsoft CEO

Dear Satya,
The feature is branded "beta," deliberately. Read the FAQ

Signed,
Actual Microsoft product page

Dear DRJlaw,
We hereby inform you that Windows Insider version of our software is what the outside world calls alpha version.
First release version of our software is the beta stage.
Service Pack 1 (or even 2 in some cases) is what outsider would call the finished product.
Signed,
Your friendly Microsoft CEO

Dear Satya,
The feature is branded "beta," deliberately. Read the FAQ

Signed,
Actual Microsoft product page

It's beta code for an OS that came out last week, something unsupported by the vendor. It doesn't work with AV and you want a refund. https://msdn.microsoft.com/en-...

I agree, you should move to another vendor. Do Avast a favor.

That depends..
If bash/Ubuntu on Windows 10 is just another program on Windows, you may expect AV software not to interfere with it, and proper support is in order.

It's not remotely so. They've created a new subsystem and introduced picodrivers and picoprocesses to enable the use of Linux binaries.

2. It's in beta (as of 8/10/2016) - Bash on Ubuntu on Windows && Installation Guide. This is only available to a specific subset of Windows users (eg Windows Insiders Program).

Disclaimer: "This is the first release of Bash on Windows and it is branded "beta" deliberately - it's not yet complete! You should expect many things to work and for some things to fail! We greatly appreciate you using Bash on Windows and helping us identify the issues we need to fix in order to deliver a great experience."

You can't expect 100% compatibility with something still in beta. There are broken things and things that will be changed. Expecting Avast to work with it right now or refund you for a beta-product is unreasonable. Maybe common handles things differently than civil law in this case. I know Europe has better consumer protections in many many ways than the US, but I can't see where anyone would reasonably expect a refund or extensive support for a beta add-in when the product works perfectly with production level software (aka Win 10).

2. It's in beta (as of 8/10/2016) - Bash on Ubuntu on Windows && Installation Guide. This is only available to a specific subset of Windows users (eg Windows Insiders Program).

Disclaimer: "This is the first release of Bash on Windows and it is branded "beta" deliberately - it's not yet complete! You should expect many things to work and for some things to fail! We greatly appreciate you using Bash on Windows and helping us identify the issues we need to fix in order to deliver a great experience."

You can't expect 100% compatibility with something still in beta. There are broken things and things that will be changed. Expecting Avast to work with it right now or refund you for a beta-product is unreasonable. Maybe common handles things differently than civil law in this case. I know Europe has better consumer protections in many many ways than the US, but I can't see where anyone would reasonably expect a refund or extensive support for a beta add-in when the product works perfectly with production level software (aka Win 10).

Wrong. They even publish how to disable secure boot an TPM.

You're correcting Joe Dragon? The triumph of optimism over experience (or maybe you haven't looked at his posting history). He's documented proof that some people are too stupid to accept they're stupid. Really. In what passes for Joe's mind he's a genius. Never mind that he "intuitively" knows "stuff" - that's because his enormous intellect means he can make huge jumps in logic (not because he's just psychotic instead of psychic, and had delusions of grandeur )

Wrong. They even publish how to disable secure boot an TPM.

Everything is locked down? Weird then that they publish this. It tells you how to enable/disable Secure Boot, how to enable/disable TPM, how to boot from other devices, etc.

That or a Windows 10 update gone wrong.

Kind of amazing they haven't figured out how to make their system redundant, distributed, and/or robust.

If they're clueless enough to buy 11,000 surface tablets from Microsoft, it is not that amazing. They are (were) the poster child of Microsoft services for air lines: Microsoft Dynamics and Delta Air Lines: Innovative technology and personal service equals empowered employees and happy travelers

Anyone who wants to learn more about this can read up on the Windows Subsystem for Linux. Quoting from the linked overview:

WSL executes unmodified Linux ELF64 binaries by virtualizing a Linux kernel interface on top of the Windows NT kernel. [...] The Windows Subsystem for Linux includes kernel mode drivers (lxss.sys and lxcore.sys) that are responsible for handling Linux system call requests in coordination with the Windows NT kernel. The drivers do not contain code from the Linux kernel but are instead a clean room implementation of Linux-compatible kernel interfaces.

-PCP

Windows Subsystem for Linux processes cannot directly interact with either the win32 subsystem or processes.

Windows Subsystem for Linux Overview [img] :: https://msdnshared.blob.core.windows.net/media/2016/04/LXSS-diagram-1024x472.jpg or WSL System Calls & [img] :: https://msdnshared.blob.core.windows.net/media/2016/06/syscall_graphic.png

Windows Subsystem for Linux processes cannot directly interact with either the win32 subsystem or processes.

Windows Subsystem for Linux Overview [img] :: https://msdnshared.blob.core.windows.net/media/2016/04/LXSS-diagram-1024x472.jpg or WSL System Calls & [img] :: https://msdnshared.blob.core.windows.net/media/2016/06/syscall_graphic.png

Here's the source: Windows 10 Anniversary Update: Loss of music and video.

Since the giant push for Windows 10 upgrading, new and reloads of Windows 7 will no longer do Windows Updates. If you go into control panel and tell the system to search for updates it will search for hours and hours. The system needs to be left on overnight and hopefully it will update itself at 3AM.

To fix the multi-hour Windows Update bug in Win7 x64, manually download the .MSU installer files for: KB3145739, then KB3153199 and KB3161608 (as of now, you may only need to do 3161608).

Install these magical patches first, and your scan times should go from hours/days to 10-15 minutes.

My experience was that for the past few months, every Windws Update attempt would break/hang until some apparently unrelated patch was installed first. Installing the unrelated patch made it possible to install the rest of the security patches for 7. )

It would not surprise me if this was a deliberate attempt by MS to get naive users to either (a) enable automatic updates and get all the malware from the mothership along with the updates, or (b) mistakenly conclude their computers were "broken" and downgrade to 10.

Anyways, I hope this helps. When you get to the point where you can download the updates, read read the KB article associated with every patch to 7 to ensure it's not one of the ones that enables 7/8 telemetry or downloads 10/malware. Although by this time you probably recognize the offending patches by KB number :)

Since the giant push for Windows 10 upgrading, new and reloads of Windows 7 will no longer do Windows Updates. If you go into control panel and tell the system to search for updates it will search for hours and hours. The system needs to be left on overnight and hopefully it will update itself at 3AM.

To fix the multi-hour Windows Update bug in Win7 x64, manually download the .MSU installer files for: KB3145739, then KB3153199 and KB3161608 (as of now, you may only need to do 3161608).

Install these magical patches first, and your scan times should go from hours/days to 10-15 minutes.

My experience was that for the past few months, every Windws Update attempt would break/hang until some apparently unrelated patch was installed first. Installing the unrelated patch made it possible to install the rest of the security patches for 7. )

It would not surprise me if this was a deliberate attempt by MS to get naive users to either (a) enable automatic updates and get all the malware from the mothership along with the updates, or (b) mistakenly conclude their computers were "broken" and downgrade to 10.

Anyways, I hope this helps. When you get to the point where you can download the updates, read read the KB article associated with every patch to 7 to ensure it's not one of the ones that enables 7/8 telemetry or downloads 10/malware. Although by this time you probably recognize the offending patches by KB number :)

Yeah, that was the first thing I tried; it does not affect signing in from sleep. I used the default installation settings, so anything that is "broken" was done by Microsoft. BTW, it's not just me having this problem. Forum. Basically the only way to fix it is to use a local account, not the default integrated-with-everything-Microsoft account. Forgot the official name. But that breaks all of the stuff I got the Surface for, so not worth the trouble. The PIN thing works fine, and it's probably a good habit to be in anyway.

This will produce a giant boost of Linux usage on the desktop.

Do you mean "in addition to what the latest Windows 10 update has already done"?

If Windows 10 really has a 20% share of the desktop market (there are no figures on the amount of people who install other OS/versions onto machines preloaded with Windows 10), then those who installed the latest updates now have Ubuntu installed as part of Windows.... If 2016 with Windows 10 including Linux + Chrome + Linux isn't "the year of the Linux Desktop" - then next year will be.

You can disable the windows update service and so on, then enable it and use this to update when you want
https://gallery.technet.micros...

Why are you using a DVD? Slap it on a flash drive and go on your way. Nearly every motherboard out there supports boot from flash, and on top of that you can download the Win7 ISO directly from MS with the service packs pre-installed and are unlikely to have the driver issues that the base OS would have.

Technically, except it has an odd hash-id: "?tduid=(3d0a9b914f4e1448707e8ed162c69bb7)(266696)(1503186)(skim33330X911647Xa68e5caea18d748c47809d1b2ce9d04b)()"
The "reserve windows 10" link without that, works perfectly fine - it would seem.

Toaster. (it's one of the examples there.)

More seriously, can you use a UMDF (User Mode Driver Framework) driver instead? As it's user mode, a UMDF driver should not be subject to all these signing requirements, rendering this all moot and making it more reliable for everyone. (I don't know, can UMDF drivers communicate on USB? I would hope so otherwise the UMDF seems kinda useless.)

Ah I see what happened. If you click here and then find the Digicert link, you apparently get a referral discount, showing the prices I quoted.

Even without the discount, the price is $449 for 1 year or $331 for a 3 year certificate. That's definitely well under "the cheapest of the EV Certs is $1000 a Year" originally quoted.

That's for a local account. If he's truly using a Microsoft Account, he can reset the password here:

https://support.microsoft.com/...

Or, you know, it's to prevent viruses and other such garbage that has plagued windows for years and years, to be able to boot up with windows by masquerading as a driver?

Actually the GP is right, and Microsoft calls it out themselves:

To play back certain types of next-generation premium content, all kernel-mode components in Windows Vista and later versions of Windows must be signed. In addition, all the user-mode and kernel-mode components in the Protected Media Path (PMP) must comply with PMP signing policy.

Besides, the only way to install kernel mode drivers is to be running as administrator. If malicious code is allowed to run on your computer with administrative credentials, you're already screwed in any number of ways. Installation of a kernel driver is just one avenue.

I see nothing wrong with this.

I see everything wrong with this. Microsoft is now dictating what software can be run on my computer. That alone is enough of a reason to vehemently reject this, but think also of the F/OSS software impacted. There are plenty of software tools out there which run a driver as part of their operation and not all of these will want to or be able to get their drivers signed.

I have been trying to decide lately if I'll ever bite the bullet and move from Windows 7 to Windows 10, or if I'll start looking migrating to Linux. The decision just got a lot easier.

From: http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/wiki/windows_10-windows_install/how-to-upgrade-to-windows-10-anniversary-update/fab99802-4358-49d9-8278-e9664cd56311

The Windows 10 Anniversary Update is part of Microsoft’s ongoing strategy to deliver Windows as a service.

So while I'm required to do the updates at work, because my workplace demands it, if it is at all humanly possible I will never install Windows at home or on any machine under my control again. I have actively migrated to BSD and Linux on all my home machines except for one laptop running Windows 8.1 and my wife's laptop running Windows 7. We will not upgrade them. I am hoping to find an alternative to the one program I need which runs only on Windows.

That would be good. Because I am not sure I can be Windows-free until 2020, and the Enterprise Edition of Win10 would be the only one I would even consider for replacing my Win7 Pro...

Windows 7 is supported through January 2020. Wouldn't it make sense to just leave at that point?

Here you go. Microsoft unilaterally disabled a feature which they had hyped as a Win7 benefit when selling it. It just stopped working. I didn't say anything about forced uninstalls, what I quoted referred to "change or remove functionality" and that's exactly what they did.

It looks like 2014 saw a large bump in employees:

Fiscal Year Ending Head Count Net Revenue (US$) Growth Net Income (US$) Growth
June 30, 2016 114,074 $85.32B -9% $16.79B 38%
June 30, 2015 117,354 $93.58B 8% $12.19B -45%
June 30, 2014 128,076 $86.83B 12% $22.07B 1%
June 30, 2013 99,139 $77.85B 6% $21.86B 29%
June 30, 2012 94,290 $73.72B 5% $16.98B -27%
June 30, 2011 90,412 $69.94B 12% $23.15B 23%

Going from 99,139 in 2013 to 114,074 in 2016 seems like it tracks better with previous growth patterns.

http://news.microsoft.com/fact... But please don't let this change your opinion. :)

TPM will allow Microsoft complete control over what hardware can talk to the computer, as well as what software is run on the computer. Some more criticism here.

As for what hardware, I'm talking about the world of instrument control that includes CNC lathes, digital microscopes, mass spectrometers, radars, etc.. These applications require a decent computer that does a mixture of data processing and storage, as well as providing the GUI for the user to operate the instrument. While Windows was never ideal for this role, it was often the best of a bad bunch due to the confluence of requirements. It also means that the manufacturer could use Windows as a selling point as part of the spin on "easy to use" and "minimal training" that actually carries some weight when selling a rather complex piece of instrumentation.

Can Windows 10 Enterprise be used in this role? I am unsure, but it is difficult to assess. I can't even get a price on Win10 enterprise. Say I build a machine and need a PC to control it. I need my customer to have complete control over that PC, but I need to buy the PC (say with Win10 enterprise license) at my factory, set up the instrument, test everything, and then ship it to my customer. At their end the PC may or may not go on their local network, depending on their local policy and what they wish to achieve. This was all very simple with Win7 pro. But Win10 pro is not a good fit, due to the lack of control over updates and, as we just saw in the latest updates, Microsoft's ability to add/remove key features without warning. See the problem?

Any comments from readers will be most appreciated, thanks.

Task manager hides certain processes so if it doesn't show up there it doesn't mean it's not running.

In a Windows internals session at Microsoft Tech-Ed a few years ago David Solomon said that Task Manager should be really be renamed "Some of My Open Windows"!

If you depend on Windows-only software you will have to use Win10 sooner or later

Technically true. Just install VirtualBox and a free, Microsoft-provided Windows 10 image from https://developer.microsoft.com/en-us/microsoft-edge/tools/vms/. VMs are disposable -- you don't have to let personal stuff accumulate on them.

Do you have any links to this effect?

Sure, Windows Subsystem for Linux.

I'm pretty sure the average punter makes enough money to buy an enterprise license

You can't buy "an" Enterprise license for any price, Microsoft does not sell them individually. Unless you're willing to buy 500 seats, no Enterprise for you.

or install Windows 10 Enterprise LTSB, which got none of this nonsense.

Easier said than done, Microsoft doesn't sell Windows Enterprise off the shelf. You have to negotiate a licensing plan with them.

You can't just buy a copy of the Enterprise version of Windows. Running (legally) the Enterprise version of Windows 10 requires you to purchase at least 250 Windows licenses (public sector customers) or 500 licenses (commercial customers).

Hey, they're doing better than microsoft.

https://www.microsoft.com/en-u...

Until tokens gain the ubiquity of phones (which seems unlikely)

Since tokens can be generated by software on phones, even obscure and obsolete phones, tokens are already more[1] ubiquitous than phones.

[1] hardware tokens can be taken into secure areas where mobile phones are banned.

- Play CDs, DVDs & Blu-ray

CD what? Xbox One can't rip CDs, and neither the PlayStation 4 nor the Wii U can even play CDs.

- Connect to video and audio content libraries in your home

How-To Geek's article claims that this happens through DLNA. I seem to remember certain PlayStation products in the past being very picky about DLNA implementation, not giving the user much useful troubleshooting information. How picky is the Xbox One's DLNA client, compared to (say) a living room PC? Does it support things like WebM (MKV container, VP8 or VP9 video, and Vorbis or Opus audio)?

Wait for the Windows 10 Anniversary Update launching 2 August 2016. It includes an updated Edge with support for browser extensions. Browser extensions, however, will be distributed via Windows Store. For example, here's AdBlock Plus for Edge.

You still ain't shown anything to backup your incredible claims.

https://support.office.com/en-...

Office for Mac doesn't run correctly within itself. https://support.microsoft.com/...

Some ways to help - but not a complete list. http://www.officeformachelp.co...

A bad answer, but more problems http://answers.microsoft.com/e... As they say "most likely" That will take care of some issues but not all.

http://www.walternelson.com/dr...

Here you are told to do exactly what an above link tells you not to do http://presentationsoft.about....

Just general things https://support.microsoft.com/...

This one is cute - directly from Microsoft and I quote> "However, high compatibility workbooks/projects can be achieved", as well as "There may well be a solution or workaround." Hozabout that? High compatibility is not compatibility, and workarounds are not compatibility. http://answers.microsoft.com/e...

And with Office 365 in particular http://answers.microsoft.com/e...

So anyhow there is about as much as I'm willing to do for you, coward. Any more, and do your own research Which of course is a non starter isn't it?

Right from Microsoft, they speak of it's issues. Take it up with them. Sparky.

Meantime, I'm using a suite that doesn't have those issues.

You still ain't shown anything to backup your incredible claims.

https://support.office.com/en-...

Office for Mac doesn't run correctly within itself. https://support.microsoft.com/...

Some ways to help - but not a complete list. http://www.officeformachelp.co...

A bad answer, but more problems http://answers.microsoft.com/e... As they say "most likely" That will take care of some issues but not all.

http://www.walternelson.com/dr...

Here you are told to do exactly what an above link tells you not to do http://presentationsoft.about....

Just general things https://support.microsoft.com/...

This one is cute - directly from Microsoft and I quote> "However, high compatibility workbooks/projects can be achieved", as well as "There may well be a solution or workaround." Hozabout that? High compatibility is not compatibility, and workarounds are not compatibility. http://answers.microsoft.com/e...

And with Office 365 in particular http://answers.microsoft.com/e...

So anyhow there is about as much as I'm willing to do for you, coward. Any more, and do your own research Which of course is a non starter isn't it?

Right from Microsoft, they speak of it's issues. Take it up with them. Sparky.

Meantime, I'm using a suite that doesn't have those issues.

You still ain't shown anything to backup your incredible claims.

https://support.office.com/en-...

Office for Mac doesn't run correctly within itself. https://support.microsoft.com/...

Some ways to help - but not a complete list. http://www.officeformachelp.co...

A bad answer, but more problems http://answers.microsoft.com/e... As they say "most likely" That will take care of some issues but not all.

http://www.walternelson.com/dr...

Here you are told to do exactly what an above link tells you not to do http://presentationsoft.about....

Just general things https://support.microsoft.com/...

This one is cute - directly from Microsoft and I quote> "However, high compatibility workbooks/projects can be achieved", as well as "There may well be a solution or workaround." Hozabout that? High compatibility is not compatibility, and workarounds are not compatibility. http://answers.microsoft.com/e...

And with Office 365 in particular http://answers.microsoft.com/e...

So anyhow there is about as much as I'm willing to do for you, coward. Any more, and do your own research Which of course is a non starter isn't it?

Right from Microsoft, they speak of it's issues. Take it up with them. Sparky.

Meantime, I'm using a suite that doesn't have those issues.

You still ain't shown anything to backup your incredible claims.

https://support.office.com/en-...

Office for Mac doesn't run correctly within itself. https://support.microsoft.com/...

Some ways to help - but not a complete list. http://www.officeformachelp.co...

A bad answer, but more problems http://answers.microsoft.com/e... As they say "most likely" That will take care of some issues but not all.

http://www.walternelson.com/dr...

Here you are told to do exactly what an above link tells you not to do http://presentationsoft.about....

Just general things https://support.microsoft.com/...

This one is cute - directly from Microsoft and I quote> "However, high compatibility workbooks/projects can be achieved", as well as "There may well be a solution or workaround." Hozabout that? High compatibility is not compatibility, and workarounds are not compatibility. http://answers.microsoft.com/e...

And with Office 365 in particular http://answers.microsoft.com/e...

So anyhow there is about as much as I'm willing to do for you, coward. Any more, and do your own research Which of course is a non starter isn't it?

Right from Microsoft, they speak of it's issues. Take it up with them. Sparky.

Meantime, I'm using a suite that doesn't have those issues.