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Microsoft To Lay Off Another 2,850 People In the Next 12 Months (businessinsider.com)
An anonymous reader writes from a report via Business Insider: Microsoft is planning to lay off 2,850 more employees in the next 12 months or so, according to Microsoft's full 10-K report it filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission. Part of the document reads: "In addition to the elimination of 1,850 positions that were announced in May 2016, approximately 2,850 roles globally will be reduced during the year as an extension of the earlier plan, and these actions are expected to be completed by the end of fiscal year 2017." Business Insider reports: "The first 1,850 layoffs mentioned here were mainly from Microsoft's struggling smartphone business, including 1,350 employees in Finland working at what was once Nokia world headquarters. These layoffs also included people in Microsoft's salesforce, which was recently reorganized and saw the departure of COO Kevin Turner. In total, Microsoft laid off 7,400 employees in its last fiscal year, which ended on June 30th, 2016. The new layoffs are a continuation of the same plan, and include the sales group as well as others. About 900 people affected by the new layoffs were already informed during the sales reorganization, according to a person familiar with Microsoft's plans."
The severance pittance^W package is tied to an "exit interview" that involves upgrading to Windows 10.
Need more low cost H1B's
MS must have some kind of assurance the H1B pipeline will be at full capacity for the foreseeable future.
to pay off all those judges & lawyers that are going to be sueing the pants off of them over the windows 10 upgrade debacle
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Wait, Microsoft have been laying off people hand over fist for the past few years. Reality is quite strange.
Oh shut up. Yes, learning to program will get you a job. There are still plenty of programming jobs.
Yes, H1-Bs are a problem, but if you're a good programmer, keep up on the latest languages and frameworks, and have decent social skills, there is no excuse to be unemployed.
If you're an unemployed programmer, the problem is you.
The severance pittance^W package is tied to an "exit interview" that involves upgrading to Windows 10.
then they would be required to support their former employees
perhaps you upgraded your brain to windows 10
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Ah yes, the desperate CEO's solution to all problems, fire more people! Satya Nadella's been doing that since he took over, and look how Microsoft's profits have shrunk every consecutive quarter under him! Obviously the problem here is that he's not yet fired enough people.
I haven't forgiven Microsoft for riddling Windows 10 with spyware. It's disgusting to spy on your customers with such arrogance. Ultimately Microsoft did let Enterprises opt out, but for smaller companies and home users, they still refuse.
I used to love Microsoft products (yes, strange isn't it.) No longer. They are treating their customers like shit. So to those Microsoft employees who were laid off, I have no sympathy. Fuck you.
Sick of seeing profitable companies laying people off like this. I'm a right to work guy normally but this is starting to really piss me off. My company did the same shit. Had a great quarter then the next day after earnings released "By the way we need to lay off 3% of staff to position us better for next quarter."
Tech industry should really unionize. I hate unionize generally but this industry needs it.
Hillary Clinton and the Democrats have promised this for years. Only Trump and the Republicans are complaining about the loss of jobs for Americans. This is what I read and hear in the News Media.
that pipeline has a name: hillary clinton
They are pivoting to the cloud. Firing people who worked on non-cloud projects (mainly smartphone), hiring new ones to work on cloud projects. Incidentally, the total Microsoft workforce is ~115,000, so this is not a huge amount.
"First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
It looks like 2014 saw a large bump in employees:
:)
Fiscal Year Ending Head Count Net Revenue (US$) Growth Net Income (US$) Growth
June 30, 2016 114,074 $85.32B -9% $16.79B 38%
June 30, 2015 117,354 $93.58B 8% $12.19B -45%
June 30, 2014 128,076 $86.83B 12% $22.07B 1%
June 30, 2013 99,139 $77.85B 6% $21.86B 29%
June 30, 2012 94,290 $73.72B 5% $16.98B -27%
June 30, 2011 90,412 $69.94B 12% $23.15B 23%
Going from 99,139 in 2013 to 114,074 in 2016 seems like it tracks better with previous growth patterns.
http://news.microsoft.com/fact... But please don't let this change your opinion.
1. They unload Win10 on the world, only partially designed, and sucker us into doing their product testing. Then, the add more and more complexity with unnecessary "features" that are mere click bait.
2. Then, the declare it's the last of the "Windows" line (unlikely, and a stupid claim by an executive without credibility to assert it.)
3. Now, they plan to get rid of productive employees. Why? "Bottom line" or, as Jack Welch said, early in his career at GE CEO, "the purpose of a corporation is to maximize shareholder return on investment." Then, two years ago, after retirement, he admits in Forbes' magazine that his was "...the dumbest idea in the world."
4. And Microsoft is joining the cadre of companies with "great (aka overpaid) CEOs" (usually self-proclaimed) who produce poor results over the long-term (see http://www.wsj.com/articles/be...).
They're about to fall off a cliff...and they think they're on solid ground. Mark my words.
Trump also complained that salaries are too high...
What a shock, MS is bailing on the phone business, i.e. an industry where their bully monopolistic practices were useless and they had to rely on their shitty, shitty code, interface, and business practices to compete with competitors who actually know how to make software that isn't a steaming pile of shit. Shocking! But of course, MS won't reverse course on developing shitty bug-ridden software, they have trademarks to protect after all.
Monstar L
This is about world-wide reorganization; Finland is NOT in the US - you fucking idiot.
these people dont choose what project they work on.
President doesn't set wages, president sets H1B policy and numbers.
Fixed that subject for you (welcome!) .
Sure, it's not huge unless you're one of the two thousand.
Your post is more than a little insensitive given you can bet that most EX-MSFT people affected are reading /. and TFA.
So technical training is all I need to get a good job and keep it?
I'd say so, given the pattern of MS layoffs thus far:
* QA people
* Salesmen
* Manufacturing workers in FInland
* More salesmen
Coding seems to be the place to be. I know some devs were layed off along the way, but from what I hear backchannel it's still a net increase in coding jobs (cloud and mobile growing fast, other areas slowly shrinking).
Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
Microsoft earned 22.2 billion dollars last year, macs4all
Everybody move to Linux. Linux won't be a fucking US spy shop ever. Microsoft goes away, so does systemd.
Perhaps "received" would be a better word than "earned."
Hillary Clinton and the Democrats have promised this for years.
Only Trump and the Republicans are complaining about the loss of jobs for Americans.
This is what I read and hear in the News Media.
Trump is known for exaggerating and in many cases just making up crap. I've never heard of him being known for going out of his way to buy American, which might have been an indicator that his H1B stance wasn't full of it. As far as the Republicans go, well they generally support H1Bs. Some democrats do as well.
My own opinion on H1Bs, is that they should rapidly have a path to citizenship. People that are in a country and contributing say more than 2 years should at least have all of the "right to work" rights their employers have, as well as the ability to vote.
And if you think that Trump and the Republicans are going to cut back on H1-B visas, I have a very nice bridge to sell you.
The real "Libtards" are the Libertarians!
their shitty, shitty code, interface, and business practices to compete with competitors who actually know how to make software that isn't a steaming pile of shit.
iOS? Android? Both are shit compared to the Winders phone.
The problem with the Winders phone is Microsoft was once again nine hundred years late to the fucking party. Same reason Surface is a fucking joke, in spite of being a damned solid piece of hardware.
The fuck would you develop an app for the Winders phone when you have enough work and marketshare by developing for Android and iOS?
It's the same reason gaming on Linux is a mere afterthought, in spite of the best efforts of Valve trying to whore out more money. Nobody gives a fuck about nerdgasms over software.
You don't have the numbers.
That's only 3% of their workforce. My last publicly traded corp I worked at is laying off 30,000-60,000 employees, or 20-30%. THAT is a true "bloodletting". That's not even taking into account the upcoming spin-off/merger with CSC.
Since the company apparently has a surplus of workforce, then they lied to Congress that there is a labor shortage, it therefore should be prohibited from hiring H1s till they increase their headcount by the amonut of current layoff
The code is fine, have you used .NET since 1.1? It's arguably one of the best frameworks and language sets (C#/F#) available... certainly heads and tails beyond Java. It's only getting better since their move to open source the whole thing.
The big problem was timing and marketing. When Apple had iOS and Google had Android, the only thing MS had was the steaming pile known as WinCE. MS tried to enter the market way after the other two were well into maturity with WinRT which was definitely a mistake. Thry pushed their product much too late with far too little to differentiate their product from their competitors.
Thats BS. microsoft used to OWN the smartphone market along with blackberry then apple came along with the iphone and ate their lunch. If what you say is true and pure numbers win then microsoft should still be owning the smartphone market. but they dont because numbers arent everything. microsoft wasn't late to the party. If they had actually tried making something good back then maybe they would still be at the top.
Funny how many illegals built Trump's properties? Why didn't he hire real Americans?
Who was the party that supported outsourcing? Who created a whole department in the White House funded by tax payers to help corporations fire Americans and replace them with foreign counterparts?
You think protectionism and higher wages will force your boss to pay you more if they can't bring in Indians? Or will they give someone in Bangalore an AD admin account or root access to do the work there and just not bother to bring anyone into the office for IT work?
What will happen is if these positions can't be filled they will start outsourcing more and since they alreayd have an office in India now they will just eventually move the whole IT department there for cost savings since they didn't have one pre-trump thanks to protectionism.
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CEO salaries sure as shit are.
The problem Windows Phone had was not that it was bad, it was that it wasn't disruptive or innovative. Apple's iPhone disrupted the market, Google followed their lead and years later Microsoft caught up with an operating system that would have been great had it not been so late to what had by then become a mature market. You need a feature - or set of features - that will entice users to the point they will be willing to abandon their existing applications in favor of your platform and its applications. This is the same reason Linux hasn't been able to supplant Windows on the desktop, it's not that there is anything wrong with it, it's that it doesn't offer anything compelling in innovative or disruptive features. There's no point waiting for Microsoft to screw up, if their past screwups with Windows haven't driven customers to Linux then nothing will, Linux needs that disruptive innovation to capture the users. Windows Phone needed this too, but it didn't have it so it was relegated to that low single-digit marketshare.
Hillary Clinton and the Democrats have promised this for years.
While this is true...
Only Trump and the Republicans are complaining about the loss of jobs for Americans.
...complaining? Yes. Sincerely? Not so much.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
So technical training is all I need to get a good job and keep it?
I'd say so, given the pattern of MS layoffs thus far: * QA people * Salesmen * Manufacturing workers in FInland * More salesmen
Coding seems to be the place to be. I know some devs were layed off along the way, but from what I hear backchannel it's still a net increase in coding jobs (cloud and mobile growing fast, other areas slowly shrinking).
A company doesn't need Salesmen when it can push out a product digitally and only a few people whine about it. As for Q&A people just reduce them, after all we have over 300 million testers out there and we can always push out mandatory patches latter.
There ain't no such thing as proprietary standards only proprietary formats. Standards are by definition open.
Their destruction of Nokia accomplished it's purpose. Maemo had so much promise that was never realized.
Why would you develop for a windows phone when you know MS reputation for fucking people?
LOL
Actually developing for Windows has been a pretty solid investment, even programs written for MFC in the 90s still work perfectly fine on their latest operating system. While developing exclusively for windows phone makes little sense they have invested in a whole lot of cross platform technologies so that developers can target windows phone without writing their applications specifically for it.
because there aren't enough tech workers...
It was definitely late, but another big issue is that after releasing WP7 internal politic'ing stalled it for 2-years before the completely re-written WP8 was done.
Yes, I am on occasion forced to use MS garbage and I just laugh my ass off every time I do. It's so insanely primitive compared to it's competitors, and buggy as hell to boot. The sheer # of bugs I uncover after just 5 minutes of Windows use is fucking hilarious. Don't even get me started on the shitfest that is Azure, Amazon doesn't even give 2 shits about Azure because it is such a buggy, unreliable mess. Randomly rebooting my web service? Pure brilliance MS, how did you know I wanted that "feature".
C# is also a muddled mess of a programming language, grow up and use a real language that is supported by open standards and doesn't constantly contradict itself.
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The problem Windows Phone had was not that it was bad, it was that it wasn't disruptive or innovative.
This is not how I saw things go down.
Initially once upon a time there was a solid base of former CE developers very interested in windows phone. They wanted to get on board but Microsoft had to go f*** it all up.
They locked everything down emulating the Apple walled garden, required very specific versions of windows /w hyper-v and visual studio to develop anything and made you buy a Microsoft account. They militantly insisted on a Spartan ugly interface with no customization options. UI was all based on some forsaken piece of shit called Silverlight, APIs were half baked and not even finished and oh by the way you can't run any native code whatsoever.
On top of draconian bullshit, no compatibility, no apps, absence of basic core features that existed even in windows mobile and no user base developers basically gave MS the one finger salute and went to Android.
You need a feature - or set of features - that will entice users to the point they will be willing to abandon their existing applications in favor of your platform and its applications.
My personal opinion if Microsoft started out with feature parity and dropped the misfeatures (Fugly Metro/Silverlight, malware, Apple style lockin and lack of customization) windows phone would have a healthy market share today.
This is the same reason Linux hasn't been able to supplant Windows on the desktop, it's not that there is anything wrong with it, it's that it doesn't offer anything compelling in innovative or disruptive features.
If that were true you would think we wouldn't be hearing of high profile attempts to switch to Linux desktop failing.
There's no point waiting for Microsoft to screw up, if their past screwups with Windows haven't driven customers to Linux then nothing will, Linux needs that disruptive innovation to capture the users.
My opinion is they just need parity with Windows and Linux advocates need to stop pretending it already exists.
General purpose operating systems are mature technology driven by incremental accumulation of dead labor. If you bet on disruptive change you WILL lose. The only changes we are likely to see going forward will be both hard won and increasingly inconsequential. I think Linus had it exactly right on his comments about wearing the competition down.
Ross Perot. He was Trump before Trump was cool.
If you're an unemployed programmer, the problem is you.
Bullshit. The employment market has been negatively affected by the deliberate actions of the government and corporations. If you think that you're such a special snowflake that these sociopaths wouldn't get of you in a heartbeat you're one of those libertarian delusionalists. That you're employed is simply because they haven't finished yet, but there's no reasoning with the pull yourself up by your own bootstrap crowd. You probably believe in tax cuts for 'job creators' too.
Sure, doing those things you say will increase your odds and you'll be ok for a while. Of course we'd all have an easier time were it not for very active sabotage of our career prospects by well funded sociopaths encouraging foreign trade schools to turn out legions of barely qualified third world job stealers.
One wonders if you think that unemployed steel workers are their own problem. I mean the government at the behest of large corporations actively encouraging and subsidizing import of cheap steel had nothing to do with that, it's all on the individual, right? Libertarians disgust me.
They replaced the Q&A department with end users. We already knew that.
The said thing is all but the paid sycophants and shill were saying MS would destroy Nokia. The put their stooge in command of the world's most successful mobile-phone company, who had smart devices long before Apple copied Sony's blue-prints and LG, Samsung et al moved in that direction.
So what did MS get out of destroying Nokia? Presumably there was an end-game from day one. I would guess it was to get at their patent portfolio to then start attacking the corporations that operate in the same space, particularly Google and Amazon.
Hmmmm.... do you really think that this was the reason why developers flocked to iOS and Android? The expectation/hope they would not be fucked over like those who had burned fingers with Microsoft?
Or could it be that it was really clear that developing and marketing apps for iOS and Android had (has) huge market potential and straightforward way to sell apps and see the money come in.
I could be wrong, but I suspect that the reputation or history of MS dealings with partners and with their own technology was not as important as major competitors coming up and saying "Here's what you do to reach our millions of prospective buyers. We deal with distribution and growing the market, you get 70% of the sale".
Between piracy, traditional distribution channels, customers used to not spending at all, there were/are plenty of reasons why developing for PC was never that straightforward. The realistic prospect of finding 10,000,000 people willing to pay you $0.70 each was a major reason, more than anything MS did or used to do.
Agreed. I also hate the "social skills" canard. That's always code for being either a mediocre programmer who never does better than anyone else or a bad programmer who lies about accomplishments to leapfrog others. If you are good and you show it, that's when they trot out the old "social skills" cryfest.
Personally i think a good number of the wealthy are hoarders.But instead of keeping every newspaper they ever touched, or plastic bag, or wanting to buy every single doll they see. They hoard money, and like other hoarders they are emotionally pained to see even one bit of it removed.
And do not dare to vote Trump. Mind you, the NY Times has been thinking about assassinating him. So you know where you have to put your cross. Please make sure we do not have to stuff the ballot box too much in order to make the correct candidate win !
Before they only had NSA backdoors. Now MSFT plays NSA themselves.
Let's flood the nation with foreigners so that our father's culture can be annihilated.
That's what Banksters and Marxists want.
Lay off, liquidate, shut down. The motto of the Weimar Republic.
But between 1933 and 1945 they screamed when the brutality came to those who promoted brutality before.
Make your bed and do not complain when they downsize your bed with a chain saw at 3AM.
That does seem to be the way these days, though I expect they still have a strong sales force on the Azure side.
Socialism: a lie told by totalitarians and believed by fools.
A company doesn't need Salesmen when it can push out a product digitally and only a few people whine about it.
Exactly. Not long now, with Windows 10 adoption, for Microsoft's wet dream of software rental to come true. Once MS have persuaded people to "upgrade" to Win10 (or rammed it down their throats), thus giving MS control of their PCs, MS just need to let the unpaid Win10 user experience deteriorate and fall behind until the user caves in and signs up to rental for the perpetual updates that will come with it.
MS have said that Win10 is the last ever version of Windows, so they will soon be sacking thousands of developers too. Once people are on Win10 all MS will need is a security update team, and maybe some graphic artists to give the interface a make-over now and then.
Perhaps "extorted" would be a better word than "received".
You might want to re-evaluate your chosen profession. Millions of .NET/C# developers seems to get along just fine. AWS and Azure are #1 and #2 in cloud and Azure is growing revenue faster than AWS (not necessarily unexpected for the second place player).
You might want to re-evaluate your chosen profession. Millions of .NET/C# developers seems to get along just fine. AWS and Azure are #1 and #2 in cloud and Azure is growing revenue faster than AWS (not necessarily unexpected for the second place player).
so in other words, microsoft is dead in mobile, and their main business is now renting out computer time
get the shovels ready
you can negotiate a contract with the employer guaranteeing that they won't do this.
maybe someone who has access to fresh air and sunshine told you this, but they were lying
Get a big shovel. MSFT had $93.58 billion revenue and $12.19 billion net income in 2015. Agreed that mobile devices/OS are dead for Microsoft which is why they need to be strong on back-end which is where Azure helps.
Windows 10 is the best they can come up with. They have to shove it down the throats of Windows 7 users for FREE. How are they supposed to pay their staff if they are giving their latest OS away?
which is why they need to be strong on back-end which is where Azure helps.
renting out computer time is what companies do when they can't figure out what to do with the computers on their own
get that shovel ready, total lack of innovation and regression into the "background" is death
Unfortunately the problem is also with many barely qualified first world slackers too. The digital revolution required so many new 'talents' that many people joined the hype and went for a high paying job in IT. But not everyone is an IT guy or girl. Many people just have a job because they had their degree. In reality there were many people, with many IT certifications who were only good at getting those degrees and certifications. Once they were on the job they just knew the minimum to get along but were stuck when something that wasn't in their certification program popped up.
Among the barely qualified third world job stealers as you describe them are many who are just as competent as those first world certified slackers. Only one day ago I was in the 'b-to-c' shop of my company to get a new phone and I saw three first world bachelor in computer scientists struggling to install and configure a home banking app on an iPhone. They spent over an hour with the customer to try to get the app working, and ultimately they sent the customer home claiming that the procedure would take up to three days for 'verification'. What I personally could make up of the problem was that the customer already installed the home banking app on her iPad and it worked on that device, but didn't create a new profile on her iPhone. She expected that just installing the app on the iPhone and using the same log in credentials was enough to get access to her bank account. The 'customer support' should have known that installing the app on another device requires you to create a new profile with the home bank 'calculator', the codes provided by the bank and creating new log in credentials, but they didn't.
The problem here is that for mere customer support, my company requires employees that have at least a Bachelor in Computer Science. But Computer Scientist are programmers, they are not trained to solve computer and smart phone problems. You would expect that someone interested in studying Computer Science would also have a natural interest in general computing devices, including smart phones. But you might be surprised how many people just choose to study computer science because it offers them a false feeling of job security but are in reality just as clumsy with general computer problems as your average grand mother.
The company should have hired PC technicians to help people with these kind of problems. PC technicians are not schooled in universities, but they are schooled in the so called dual learning model. Secondary school students who choose to learn a profession. They have a week schedule with one or two days of school while the rest of the days, they train their skills in a real life job in a private business. These PC technicians get accustomed to solving these kind of problems and are often very interested in technology, but are often rejected for job openings when a 'Computer Scientist' shows up for the same kind of job.
And that is another problem. Why do people with an university degree go for a job for which they are overqualified looking at their degree, but not qualified for looking at the experience? Is it because they just got their degree because they were good at getting that degree but in reality are not capable of becoming a programmer. Is it because the universities have just degenerated to degree mills in stead of producing educated, critical thinking young adults? I don't know, but there's definitely something wrong.
...), while the problem is within the change in the secondary schools of 8-10 years ago. The change was to 'stream line' the school model and make it possible for students who are not so bright to still get access to universities. Many kids now chose a more technical level of education because it is easier, and they are still 'prepared' to succeed in universities. B
A few weeks ago a read an article of the low success rate among the students who studied economics. The solution was found in making the exams more easy (statistics, mathematics, law,
If you're an unemployed programmer, the problem is you.
Bullshit. The employment market has been negatively affected by the deliberate actions of the government and corporations. If you think that you're such a special snowflake that these sociopaths wouldn't get of you in a heartbeat you're one of those libertarian delusionalists. That you're employed is simply because they haven't finished yet, but there's no reasoning with the pull yourself up by your own bootstrap crowd. You probably believe in tax cuts for 'job creators' too.
Sure, doing those things you say will increase your odds and you'll be ok for a while. Of course we'd all have an easier time were it not for very active sabotage of our career prospects by well funded sociopaths encouraging foreign trade schools to turn out legions of barely qualified third world job stealers.
One wonders if you think that unemployed steel workers are their own problem. I mean the government at the behest of large corporations actively encouraging and subsidizing import of cheap steel had nothing to do with that, it's all on the individual, right? Libertarians disgust me.
While I'd agree that it's not always the developers fault, the truth is if you're average you're at risk. In any job and in any industry, average workers are simply not as valuable. Be exceptional and you'll basically never have problems finding work. You get new job offers every month without looking. Those exceptional people at MS? They got reassigned, not laid off.
You can blame the government all you want, and there's certainly some validity to it, but mainly you need to wake up and take personal responsibility. Jobs that can be replaced by robots are not jobs that exceptional people work at. It doesn't mean they're bad people or dumb or lazy and I'm sorry if that offends you but steel workers are not exceptional. They're average people doing menial labor. Certainly a service we need and even more certainly one I don't want to do but menial none the less.
From my own experience as a developer, I've never been laid off though many around me have. I've always been paid more than others in the same position. I've always had open job offers available. I've never been replaced by an H1B. Be better than others and you can too.
Amen.
The most irritating part of Android development, after the broken IDEs and half-baked tutorials, is that basic stuff, like database drivers, is missing. I run a side business and wanted to take my inventory/sales/pricing info (currently in C#/MSSQL) with me when I go on the road. Basically, what I wanted was a little listview app to read in the master table, cache some updates, and push them back when I got home.
Nope, no drivers. Not just no MSSQL drivers, no remote database access at all. They expect you to write JSON on the client in Java (ugh) and a JSON layer on the server (in addition to PHP pages set up for regular browser access). Sure, let me take what should be one interface and one database and blow it up into a game of telephone.
In the end, I printed my relevant data on paper. A recordset turned into a bitmap scaled to fit 8x11 and fed onto WinSpool. Because that was less stupid work than framework hopping like the hipsters do.
And then you have assholes like the people at SquareUp who won't support their card reader in Windows, snuffing out any business case for me to throw away the Xoom/Galaxy/etc for a Surface.
If I may ask, how old are you?
Microsoft had tiles that flipped around randomly. If that's not innovation I don't know what is. It makes your phone seem like it's "Live".
It's like the revolution that occurred between web 1.0 (static text, no dancing hamsters) to web 2.0 (colorful flashing text). Look at this example: http://www.themostamazingwebsiteontheinternet.com/ Look how much more "Live" it looks compared to any other iOS or Android website.
Translated: If you're a white male over 40, time to update and polish your resume; you'll need it.
An economy cannot work with only exceptional (whatever the fuck that really means) people employed.
You think all ditch-diggers are exceptional? Carpenters? Stonemasons? Engineers? Doctors? Nurses?
In any job there will always be a range, by definition. If only exceptional programmers (so what the fuck does that mean anyway, top 1%, top 3%, to 10%?) can get jobs then shut down 90% of the CS/programming degree granting programs and tell those people when they are 18 to do something else because there will be no jobs.
Fucking programming is not world-class sports for christ's sake.
Actually congress sets H1-B policy and numbers
I know they have said that, but if anyone believes that I've a bridge to sell...
Thinking that way makes you part of the problem in American politics. Both party heads love H1bs. If you think Trump will stop them, you may have a mental deficiency.
The decent thing for Microsoft to do would be to shut down the Company and return the money to the Stockholders.
Not to reply to my own post; but this was meant as a JOKE, FFS!
everything u write is a joke fanboi !
Inevitable?
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Casteism
Typical Trump supporter. You haven't been paying attention.
https://www.google.com/#q=trump+reverses+on+visa
It was only published everywhere.
Trump supporters don't bother themselves with pesky things we like to call 'facts'.
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Here I was reading your post thinking you WERE in the US. I don't think the situation is any different at all. You totally stole a chapter out of my usual bitchfest ranting. I see all this type shit every day... It's all totally effed up.
My personal opinion if Microsoft started out with feature parity and dropped the misfeatures (Fugly Metro/Silverlight, malware, Apple style lockin and lack of customization) windows phone would have a healthy market share today.
But who is going to switch to Windows Phone? Android offerred you all that already and it's the incumbent. It was entering a mature market, you're suggesting that their problem was the imitated Apple's business model when they should have imitated Google's but I still don't see how that gives them any advantage.
If that were true you would think we wouldn't be hearing of high profile attempts to switch to Linux desktop failing.
There's no reason to even attempt to change, that's the point. On the rare occasion that it has happened the reason has been down to cheapness but even then the marketshare has remained pretty much flat for the past decade or so.
My opinion is they just need parity with Windows and Linux advocates need to stop pretending it already exists.
What features does Windows have that Linux desktop OSes do not?
General purpose operating systems are mature technology driven by incremental accumulation of dead labor. If you bet on disruptive change you WILL lose.
Smartphones were the same until the iPhone came along. You can't attract users with a "me too" device.