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Re:This is not funny, it is insightful.What about the Sunbird project?
The Sunbird Project is a redesign of the Mozilla Calendar component. The goal is to produce a cross platform standalone calendar application based on Mozilla's XUL user interface language. At the moment the "Sunbird" name is a project name. It is not official and may change in the future.
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Re:What is new?
Can I modify the From address by simply tyoing it in the From: line, without creating an account/identity for it? Yes, but not easily. Have a read of the Multiple Identity Support page (this is also going into Mozilla 1.7).
You will need to edit prefs.js for every address you want to add. The document does suggest that a forthcoming version of Thunderbird will have a UI for this. -
Re:CSS is crap for layout
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Re:Include Mozilla Calendar!
I have to disagree. I see a great advantage in having each application in a stand-alone context. I'd rather see mozilla-calendar stand-alone.
Already exists. It's pretty sweet even though it's only on version 0.1.1. Its biggest problem is that it doesn't get as much attention as Thunderbird and Firefox -- there aren't any extensions for it, and the few compatible themes are a PIA to install. -
Re:One local mail tree?
I think you can do this already, if you don't mind editing your prefs.js file by hand. You can give each identity a different incoming POP server.
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Re:Include Mozilla Calendar!
Most importantly of all, it needs to support server-side calendar store!
Thunderbird can publish calendars that are compatible with Apple's iCal calendar format. It's not exactly a replacement for groupware-type stuff like Exchange, as far as I can tell, but you can subscribe to others' calendars and keep your own calendar online so that you can access it from whereever you want.
More info: http://www.mozilla.org/projects/calendar/faq.html# share -
Submit your suggestions
A lot of people are posting interesting suggestions and comments and some people are posting the reasons why they don't yet use Thunderbird.
To those of you who actually want to see your suggestions implemented, I suggest you file a bug or at the very least, submit it for discussion at the Mozillazine Forums. -
The timing is not right.
it would really make sense to tightly integrate Mozilla Calendar into Thunderbird.
As somone else already pointed out, Calendar is available as an extension, and I'm inclined to think that's where it ought to stay. Were Calendar not a far, far less mature app than Thunderbird, you might persuade me that they should be bundled, but the timing is not right.
The Moz folks readily admit "we currently lack active developers" on Calendar.
You can't print tasks, can't export to HTML, can't do a proper advanced search, can't integrate with more popular clients, and can't sync with mobile devices.
Lack of decentralized, open calendar functionality is a sore spot for me. I use Thunderbird at home, Lotus Notes at work, an iPAQ on the go, and I interact with lots of folks using Outlook, so I certainly sympathize with the point you are making. But I'm afraid it's quite wishful thinking at this point.
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Re:What's New:
> I found it much easier to simply delete the app folder & unzip the new version in the same place.
... then why don't you use the zipfile? You can download it here. -
One local mail tree?
*sigh*. Is it EVER gonna get a single local mail tree for all POP accounts feature? Is it even on the list of planned enhancements? Until it gets this, I WILL NOT SWITCH TO IT. Nor will quite a few other people. I wish the developers would get a clue.
This issue pisses me off, a lot. Because I'd love to switch from OE, but I won't put up with not having this feature. -
What is new?A few things are mentioned in the what's new page. Some are nice, but it's not clear for me whether the things I need to switch from Eudora are there now:
- Can the filters now do more than one action?
- Does it remember the folder state
- Can I modify the From address by simply tyoing it in the From: line, without creating an account/identity for it?
- Can we now move mails folder (on Windows) to somewhere else, and just launch it with an argument telling it where the profile folder is?
- Does it still have that insane default folder structure? (c:\Documents and Settings\username\Application Data\Thunderbird\Profiles\default\sr5qf9vq.slt\Ma
i l\ etc. !!)
There were many things I liked a lot last time I looked. But these problems prevented me from switching. - Can the filters now do more than one action?
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Include Mozilla Calendar!
I know that some people will flame on about the "small tools" approach, but it would really make sense to tightly integrate Mozilla Calendar into Thunderbird. Like it or not, people have expectations, and the general expectation is that their email program will be a full PIM suite (Calendar, Tasks, Contacts). As nice as Thunderbird is, there's a large segment of the population that will take a look at it and say "No calendar? Then I'll stick with Outlook." And that's a shame, because getting rid of Outlook is one step on the road to getting rid of Windows.
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What's New:What's New:
- Windows Installer
Thunderbird now comes with an installer for Windows making it easier than ever to start using Thunderbird!
- New Default Theme on Mac OS X
The new Pinstripe theme fits in with the look of Mac OS X.
- Improved Junk Mail Controls
The algorithm for the adaptive junk mail controls has been heavily redesigned to learn faster and catch more spam.
- New Brand Identity
To be consistent with the Mozilla Foudation's goal of brand identity, Thunderbird has a new logo and supporting artwork thanks to the fine work of the Mozilla Visual Identity team.
- Other New Features...
IMAP users can now benefit from support for the IMAP IDLE command which allows the mail server to push notifications such as new mail arriving as soon as it arrives.
Thunderbird supports server-wide news filters that apply to all newsgroups on a server.
Thunderbird includes Secure Password Authentication using a new cross-platform NTLM authentication mechanism for IMAP, POP3 and SMTP.
Mail filters can now mark messages as junk.
Offline support is an optional download component in the Windows installer and is no longer a separately-downloaded extension.
Mac OS X users now get new mail notification in the system dock.
The DOM Inspector is an optional download component in the Windows installer for theme authors.
Tools > Options > Compose > HTML Options allows you to set up default HTML compose options such as font, size and color.
Attachments can be opened directly from the compose window to verify their contents before sending.
Thunderbird now supports the notion of multiple identities per mail account. This makes it easy to have several e-mail addresses which end up going into the same account. Read More about how to set this up.
- Recently Fixed Bugs
In the case of a failure when copying a message to an online Sent folder, Thunderbird will now ask if you would like it to try again.
0.6 on Windows includes several improvements to Simple MAPI that allow it to work with older versions of Microsoft Office.
Pasting data from an OpenOffice.org spreadsheet no longer pastes random HTML garbage before the actual spreadsheet data into HTML compose.
Fixed several situations where LDAP connections were left open when using LDAP auto complete or performing searches on LDAP directories.
Improved view source behavior.
Mail notification for POP3 messages that are marked deleted or marked read by mail filters no longer occurs.
The "Mark All Read" keyboard shortcut now works for Linux GTK2.
- Windows Installer
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Re:Arabic support
What the hell are you talking about? KDE and GNOME have both been translated to Arabic, and I believe Mozilla as well.
The last I tried (a couple of days ago), Mozilla Mail still had some problems with bidirectional text editing. I'd call it marginally useable at this point - the functionality is there, and works, but there's no acceptable UI to allow new users to access it, and there are some annoyances, like plaintext messages displayed with the wrong directionality. Check out bug 96057 in the Mozilla Bugzilla.
KMail appears to work fine, until you try to read BiDi messages it formats with other mailers. They don't display correctly.
Evolution doesn't seem to support BiDi editing at all.
If there is good support for bidirectional e-mail somewhere, I'd love to hear about it, but I wasn't able to find anything I could give my parents and not hear complaints about me breaking their computer... -
Re:I dont care about the car
Popup crap? Firefox to the rescue.
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The kernel's page cache is the key...Many people don't realize how smart modern page caches are designed to speed their system. Linux, MacOS X, Win2K+, etc. all boast aggressive page caches that make loading applications from disk more efficient.
Without a swap file, the kernel has no place to stick memory segments that are rarely used. They stay in resident memory la-la land until the process is terminated. Those segments add up over time and erode the memory available to the page cache.
Page caches are wonderful. When you load an application (like Firefox), you're not just getting the web browser. You're firing up a large chain of shared objects/DLLs that support the widgets, I/O, and components of the application. All of these components must be read into memory anyhow for program operation, so the kernel tends to just leave it in there for future use (the page cache).
When you shutdown Firefox, you're also releasing the necessity of those libraries (provided nothing else is using them). Those libraries also remove themselves from memory. If you load another application (like Thunderbird) that uses the same type of libraries, the kernel will not have to go to disk in order to fetch those libraries. It will instead opt for the page cache contents.
Turning off the swap file in the historic era of VM infancy was the best way to remove the hard drive bottleneck from system. The operating systems of yester-year did not have good page cache schemes that took advantage of all that unused memory. It is a little different now.
Applications are so modularized that they are broken up into a billions of smaller libraries so that code can be shared. This increases memory efficiency by keeping a shared library resident for multiple processes. These libraries are frequently accessed, more often than many people realized. Getting THOSE into memory is better than making sure my 500+ Linux applications stay resident.$ cat
Notice that on a web server with 1GB of RAM the Linux kernel is still putting things out to swap. These processes that stay asleep for long periods of time do not need to waste the memory that page cache is currently using (892309504 bytes or 753.7MB). What would be stored in that 753.7MB of memory? The database that drives the website (instead of having to seek the disk). The entire web page hierarchy used to display pages on the web site. All the scripts that are used to display dynamic content on the web site (etc. etc.) /proc/meminfo
total: used: free: shared: buffers: cached:
Mem: 1055653888 1036296192 19357696 0 70488064 892309504
Swap: 542367744 235892736 306475008
Now, if we subtracted from the page cache the amount of memory that was stored in the swap file, we would have over 200MB less that we could keep cached in memory. That could be an entire database that the kernel would then waste needless CPU cycles to fetch from disk.
The only advantage to turning off a swap file on these modern machines would be for a machine that runs only a select few applications, and not having a lot of processes in the background doing things. -
The kernel's page cache is the key...Many people don't realize how smart modern page caches are designed to speed their system. Linux, MacOS X, Win2K+, etc. all boast aggressive page caches that make loading applications from disk more efficient.
Without a swap file, the kernel has no place to stick memory segments that are rarely used. They stay in resident memory la-la land until the process is terminated. Those segments add up over time and erode the memory available to the page cache.
Page caches are wonderful. When you load an application (like Firefox), you're not just getting the web browser. You're firing up a large chain of shared objects/DLLs that support the widgets, I/O, and components of the application. All of these components must be read into memory anyhow for program operation, so the kernel tends to just leave it in there for future use (the page cache).
When you shutdown Firefox, you're also releasing the necessity of those libraries (provided nothing else is using them). Those libraries also remove themselves from memory. If you load another application (like Thunderbird) that uses the same type of libraries, the kernel will not have to go to disk in order to fetch those libraries. It will instead opt for the page cache contents.
Turning off the swap file in the historic era of VM infancy was the best way to remove the hard drive bottleneck from system. The operating systems of yester-year did not have good page cache schemes that took advantage of all that unused memory. It is a little different now.
Applications are so modularized that they are broken up into a billions of smaller libraries so that code can be shared. This increases memory efficiency by keeping a shared library resident for multiple processes. These libraries are frequently accessed, more often than many people realized. Getting THOSE into memory is better than making sure my 500+ Linux applications stay resident.$ cat
Notice that on a web server with 1GB of RAM the Linux kernel is still putting things out to swap. These processes that stay asleep for long periods of time do not need to waste the memory that page cache is currently using (892309504 bytes or 753.7MB). What would be stored in that 753.7MB of memory? The database that drives the website (instead of having to seek the disk). The entire web page hierarchy used to display pages on the web site. All the scripts that are used to display dynamic content on the web site (etc. etc.) /proc/meminfo
total: used: free: shared: buffers: cached:
Mem: 1055653888 1036296192 19357696 0 70488064 892309504
Swap: 542367744 235892736 306475008
Now, if we subtracted from the page cache the amount of memory that was stored in the swap file, we would have over 200MB less that we could keep cached in memory. That could be an entire database that the kernel would then waste needless CPU cycles to fetch from disk.
The only advantage to turning off a swap file on these modern machines would be for a machine that runs only a select few applications, and not having a lot of processes in the background doing things. -
Re:error pages
Also, because of bug 157004 Use original URL in history and URL bar when an error page is generated
You need the Show Failed URL extension. -
Use Lynx or OffByOne - problem solved.
Use Lynx or OffByOne - problem solved.
Lynx is a text-only web browser.
Off By One is a script-free web browser.
Both browsers are immune to popups--hence no need for a popup blocker for the two leading browsers or 'New Online Ad Technology To Bypass Popup Blockers'. -
Re:The advantages of taking MS seriously...
Firefox is the biggest XUL demo you can get, aside from Mozilla Seamonkey Suite, which I'm not entire ly sure whether or not is completely XUL based...
In any case, standalone XUL is unlikely, because it is built on Gecko for use with Gecko-embedding browsers and applications. XAML will be no different, it will be built into Windows for use by Windows applications.
But if you want to learn about XUL: XUL on Mozilla.org
XUL 1.0 specification
XULPlanet, a big non-Mozilla XUL resource (See also XULPlanet at mozdev.org for the time being)
Joy of XUL -- an overview of XUL.
The probable reason why XUL doesn't recieve the same hype as XAML? XUL is just a solution designed for a problem. Whereas, XAML is a solution looking for a problem -- it is just one of the bells and whistles to make Longhorn attractive. -
Re:The advantages of taking MS seriously...
Firefox is the biggest XUL demo you can get, aside from Mozilla Seamonkey Suite, which I'm not entire ly sure whether or not is completely XUL based...
In any case, standalone XUL is unlikely, because it is built on Gecko for use with Gecko-embedding browsers and applications. XAML will be no different, it will be built into Windows for use by Windows applications.
But if you want to learn about XUL: XUL on Mozilla.org
XUL 1.0 specification
XULPlanet, a big non-Mozilla XUL resource (See also XULPlanet at mozdev.org for the time being)
Joy of XUL -- an overview of XUL.
The probable reason why XUL doesn't recieve the same hype as XAML? XUL is just a solution designed for a problem. Whereas, XAML is a solution looking for a problem -- it is just one of the bells and whistles to make Longhorn attractive. -
Re:The advantages of taking MS seriously...
Firefox is the biggest XUL demo you can get, aside from Mozilla Seamonkey Suite, which I'm not entire ly sure whether or not is completely XUL based...
In any case, standalone XUL is unlikely, because it is built on Gecko for use with Gecko-embedding browsers and applications. XAML will be no different, it will be built into Windows for use by Windows applications.
But if you want to learn about XUL: XUL on Mozilla.org
XUL 1.0 specification
XULPlanet, a big non-Mozilla XUL resource (See also XULPlanet at mozdev.org for the time being)
Joy of XUL -- an overview of XUL.
The probable reason why XUL doesn't recieve the same hype as XAML? XUL is just a solution designed for a problem. Whereas, XAML is a solution looking for a problem -- it is just one of the bells and whistles to make Longhorn attractive. -
Re:The advantages of taking MS seriously...
Firefox is the biggest XUL demo you can get, aside from Mozilla Seamonkey Suite, which I'm not entire ly sure whether or not is completely XUL based...
In any case, standalone XUL is unlikely, because it is built on Gecko for use with Gecko-embedding browsers and applications. XAML will be no different, it will be built into Windows for use by Windows applications.
But if you want to learn about XUL: XUL on Mozilla.org
XUL 1.0 specification
XULPlanet, a big non-Mozilla XUL resource (See also XULPlanet at mozdev.org for the time being)
Joy of XUL -- an overview of XUL.
The probable reason why XUL doesn't recieve the same hype as XAML? XUL is just a solution designed for a problem. Whereas, XAML is a solution looking for a problem -- it is just one of the bells and whistles to make Longhorn attractive. -
Re:XAML is only scary because it's MicrosoftI haven't read the article (duh), but from what I remember, XAML wasn't a complete overhaul of HTML. XAML was more like a way of using XML to design your user interfaces, integrated completely into Windows. It's not designed to work with anything but Longhorn.
Does that technology sound familiar? Oh right, it does!
XUL (pronounced "zool") is Mozilla's XML-based User interface Language that lets you build feature-rich cross platform applications that can run connected or disconnected from the Internet. These applications are easily customized with alternative text, graphics and layout so they can be readily branded or localized for various markets. Web developers already familiar with Dynamic HTML (DHTML) will learn XUL quickly and can start building applications right away.
Obviously, Mozilla's focus is on "cross platform," whereas Microsoft would much rather just focus on the one. -
Re:Embracing and Extending XUL?
Interesting indeed.
Search on google for "cross platform toolkit" and note the second link - the XPToolkit from our friends at Mozilla. On that page what is the first text after the page title?
Vision: We make cross-platform user interfaces as easy to build and customize as web pages.
IMHO, Miguel isn't the only person who got scared - my bet is BillG and/or StevieB saw what Mozilla does and had a $3B coniption - XAML being it's end product. It's how Microsoft reacts every time something provides a hint of a credible threat to Windows dominance - destroy it before it destroys us.
I know that I would love a RAD tool (a la VisualBasic maybe, but with less suckage) to make XUL apps. I could then write-once-run-on-gecko with any of the quick and dirty development work I had to do, and the OS wouldn't matter one whit. (Hey, I can dream, can't I?)
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Embracing and Extending XUL?
In the interview there is a link to MS's Longhorn XAML page and if you compare the code snippets and description to Mozilla's XUL they do appear to be very similar. I'm not sure when Mozilla's and Microsoft's projects were started, but it does certainly appear that MS is "embracing and extending" XUL for Longhorn, by adding proprietary
.NET integration. What strikes me as odd, is that it seems like XAML will be totally incompatible with XP and 2K as well (MS touts it as a new Longhorn markup language), so widespread adoption on the internet seems unlikely (at least until XP is phased out...). It seems like Linux/Mono would be on equal footing with XP/the current .NET framework when it comes to handling XAML. -
Speaking of Moz Devs
Adblock is a extension for Mozilla/Firefox that can block images, javascript, and even flash, among others. Works great.
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LMHOSTS
While this may ignite another round of online advertising purchasing, this news doesn't affect anybody who uses a customized HOSTS file to stop the majority of ads from appearing anyway.
Since mozilla displays its connection errors in modal windows instead of showing error placeholders like IE, i can't use a modified lmhosts.
Please vote for bug 28586 to get this fixed -
Customized HOSTS vs. "Blocked sites"
this news doesn't affect anybody who uses a customized HOSTS file to stop the majority of ads from appearing anyway.
- MSIE (heaven forbid!) can block a list of sites. I think the effect is the same (but I may be worng)
- Tools
- Internet Options...
- Security tab
- Restricted Sites
- Sites...
I wish there was something similiar in Firefox! My employeer's virus scanner (McAfee) can restrict sites by IP address or URL.
A problem is that these days, some web sites (SlickDeals.net) are doing some things that causes valid pages to fail to load because of my "blocked sites". I usually get a "Cannot find server or DNS Error" because I've blocked various ad sites.
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Re:ho-hum
When you go to the ESPN's NBA home page, you get a McDonald's ad for a few seconds, then it reverts to the typical ESPN banner. This is a clever way of getting around things like AdBlock (whether that was the intent or not). Now I can either deal with the few seconds of advertising, or have a glaring white space on the page because I've blocked the entire flash element.
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Re:ho-hum
When you go to the ESPN's NBA home page, you get a McDonald's ad for a few seconds, then it reverts to the typical ESPN banner. This is a clever way of getting around things like AdBlock (whether that was the intent or not). Now I can either deal with the few seconds of advertising, or have a glaring white space on the page because I've blocked the entire flash element.
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Popups?
Sorry but what's a... Popup? I use Mozilla so I don't wouldn't know.
Ah yes, I can feel searing hate of the die hard MS internet explorer fans at me...Toasty. -
Re:This is too easy
I once whined against Liberation.fr which index page opens a NEW popup window each time you go there, and basically , the only answer I got from their webmaster was "you still can go to hell" (ok...it's not exactly that but it's accurate enough).
So really, reporting to the host that you won't read their web site or anything similar is useless.
That was the reason why I installed Firefox
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Re:Is this really a problem?
Not to mention this one. Pretty cheap, too.
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Handy ad fighting URLs
Free Popup Blocker:
http://www.mozilla.org/
http://toolbar.google.com (If you use IE)
Replacement HOSTS file:
http://www.everythingisnt.com/hosts.html
Tiny HTTP Server to respond to all those HOSTS entries:
http://www.pyrenean.com/edexter.php
Flash Remover:
http://download.macromedia.com/pub/flash/ts/flash7 /uninstall_flash_player.exe (Uninstaller)
http://flashblock.mozdev.org/ (for Mozilla) -
My First Ten Programs
Here is what gets installed after Windows XP Home SP1a and all the patches:
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my 10 tools
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My First 10 installsAfter installing windows updates/fixes and any missing drivers: 1. WinRAR - nuff said
2. Mozilla Firefox(bird, marsupial, whatever) - Much nicer way of browsing... I also install several extensions but I won't count them here
3. Startup Control Panel - Makes managing what loads at boot from various sources simple to manage
4. UltraEdit - Makes editing configuration files/reading *nix formatted files much easier on the eyes.
5. ShellEnhancer - Allows me to more effectively manage my windows... toggle 'Always On Top' and make windows and/or menus semitransparent. Also replaces the Alt+Tab manager
6. Spybot - Search & Destroy - It's like Mr. Clean for your computer...
7. Binary News Reaper - Don't ask... don't tell
8. Gordian Knot codec pack - So I can view all the stuff I download with program #7 <whoops... forget I said that>
9. Media Player Classic - this is a kickass lightweight media player. It even works with tuner cards
10. Nero Burning Rom - So I can make cds/dvdsAlso of note is that I install Windows Media Player 9 because there is no way to uninstall WMP 8, but there is an undocumented way to uninstall WMP 9.
I also tune the services on the computer to only what is needed... This includes disabling the System Restore service. The only time I've found that the restore service would have been useful is when the computer fails to boot into windows. Unfortunately MS didn't have the foresight to allow restore points to be used from the install cd so the feature is useless.
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Re:My First 10...
Wow, that was the second on topic-post... :-)
For myself, running OS X (Panther), it's:
1. LaunchBar
2. Default Folder
3. ASM
4. LiteSwitch (I use Adobe apps and don't want to learn new selection-tool-switching habits)
5. FruitMenu
6. WindowShade
7. Little Snitch
8. Net Monitor
9. Eudora
10. Mozilla
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on my Debian-based desktop
Some of it comes with the base debian install:
GCC,G++
<flamewar>vim/emacs</flamewar>
links-ssl/curl-ssl-wget
ssh
Perl
Then a whole lotta debs for Gnome/KDE...
Then the actual desktop GUI:
GDM
IceWM
Idesk
Endeavour 2
Then the base apps
Anjuta (C++ IDE)
Gedit Notepad
Mplayer + plugins
XMMS + plugins
ALSA framework
Frozen Bubble!
the GIMP
Open Office
Thunderbird+Firefox
GAIM
Gnome-meeting
And the latest 2.6.x kernel
I've created a CD which will give you all the above in one disk. Automatic installations. Just create a linux/swap partition, and it will install to the largest available 'nix partition, also adding any windows partitions to the lilo.conf
ALSA Sound support is ready (though you must edit /etc/modules with whatever soundcard module you have)
X GUI starts in SVGA mode (best to xf86config and choose your GUI)
USB mouse support through /dev/input/mice
I'm considering putting it up online, but at about 620MB for the ISO I'd need some decent hosting space for that. So far we're using it at work to convert windows desktops to dual-boot... it's XP themes so the windows lusers can figure it out rather easily.
It's also configured to build the base menu structure when a user logs in... and idesk will mount a CD+browse with endeavour on doubleclick, or unmount+eject on a right-click. -
Great idea for a thread
This is a great idea for a thread. I'm assuming this is after I've downloaded the eight jillion patches for Windows I need, but in no particular order:
- A virus scanner (This definitely comes first!)
- WinRAR (I should look into 7-Zip, though.)
- Firefox (and a few choice extensions)
- Thunderbird (I love sharing one mailbox between two operating systems.)
- Filezilla
- Trillian
- iTunes
- Various programs for web development
- OpenOffice.org
- Real Alternative (Screw you, Real! I don't need to take your crap any more!)
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Great idea for a thread
This is a great idea for a thread. I'm assuming this is after I've downloaded the eight jillion patches for Windows I need, but in no particular order:
- A virus scanner (This definitely comes first!)
- WinRAR (I should look into 7-Zip, though.)
- Firefox (and a few choice extensions)
- Thunderbird (I love sharing one mailbox between two operating systems.)
- Filezilla
- Trillian
- iTunes
- Various programs for web development
- OpenOffice.org
- Real Alternative (Screw you, Real! I don't need to take your crap any more!)
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On GNU/Linux boxes
...most of these are already installed for me in the standard installs of the various distros I try, but I consider these ten pretty crucial:
1. Mozilla
2. OpenOffice.org
3. Straw (RSS Aggregator)
4. Thunderbird (w/ Enigmail)
5. Evolution (which may soon be replaced by the amazing Mozilla Calendar)
6. Gaim
7. Gimp
8. XCDRoast
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Re:My First 10...
I agree about 7-Zip, except that it doesn't do multivolume archives - it'll extract RAR multivolume, but cannot create them.
As long as I'm posting, here goes my top 10
Windows (after all the patches, of course)- Firefox (or whatever it's name is during the week of the install) (also MyIE is sort of neat)
- Latest version of Outlook (usually as part of Office - gotta have email, but GOTTA take the plunge and transition to a better email client...)
- Putty
- WinAmp
- PowerDVD
- Yahoo Messenger (it's sad, but I still like it better than GAIM et al...)
- WinSCP
- Windows Privacy Tools
- Adobe Acrobat Reader
- BNR2
- EverQuest!
Linux
Nothing! RedHat (Fedora) comes with all I need. Though the programs I update right away (and use most often) are:
Ok, so TinyProxy isn't part of the base install. Whatever.
That's about it. I don't really use Linux as a primary machine, and I rarely use the graphical interface on it. On the Windows box I will also usually install a better editor, though it changes about every install. WinVIM is my current choice. And of course, the latest codecs for QuickTime Alternative and XViD.
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Re:Are y'all nuts?
are all y'all nuts? Reinstalling the OS once a month or even once a year? Holy shit! My current box is 4 years old and I've never reinstalled the OS and hope I never have to.
Once a month I consider rather excessive, but for a Windows box, reinstalling at least once a year greatly reduces the kruft. After a clean install, you can feel the improved responsiveness.
Anyway, my list of the first ten (+1 x2):
0) Turn off half of the default Windows crap (services, the recycle bin, CD autostart, etc), and perform assorted registry tweaks to stop Windows from acting like a crippled DOS-box-with-GUI (ala Win95) with only 64MB of RAM (such as LargeSystemCache, NtfsDisableLastAccessUpdate, CompletionChar, and DisablePagingExecutive).
1) PageDefrag, which keeps your registry and pagefile in a single contiguous file (though you should always have your min and max pagefile the same, so that doesn't get fragmented in the first place).
2) AntiVir. No sane person goes without an AV program, and IMO, this counts as the best of the free ones (for that matter, I consider it better than Norton as well - Slightly more awkward autoupdates, but it doesn't hog system resources). Best of all, as a non-USian program, it doesn't deliberately ignore "official" virii such as the FBI's Magic Lantern.
3) AdAware. We all know what it does.
4) SpyBot. Ditto, and it catches some things that AdAware doesn't (and vice-versa).
5) Mozilla, of course.
6) Winamp. I still prefer the v2.x series, but, gotta have at least one of them.
7) TeraTerm Pro and TeraTerm SSH. Technically two installs, but only a moron would use unencrypted telnet these days.
8) Calypso, a really nice (and free-as-in-beer) email program. Want the latest, greatest features in your email program, making it all but indistinguishable from a full-featured web browser and media player? Don't use this. Want a safe medium for text communication, with fairly powerful regexp filtering? You'll consider Calypso a godsend.
9) The GIMP. 'nuff said.
10) Finally, a compiler (or three... The next dozen installs after this one would include various other dev tools). Currently I still prefer Borland C 5.02, sadly not free. Although advancing technoology has already made it basically obsolete, it has what I consider the most straightforward IDE of any development suite out there.
0, part 2) Repeat step 0, since by this point Windows will have tried to undo half of my changes from the first time.
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In No Particular Order (Windoze)
VirtuaWin - Virtual desktop manager
PuTTY - SSH client
WinSCP - GUI-based SSH file copier
Mozilla - The Web browser
CygWin - UNIX-like command line tools and environment
FuhQuake - QuakeWorld client with advanced rendering.
Vim - text editor extraordinaire
VoodooLights - screen saver (alas, no longer supported or available)
TweakUI - Allows tweaking of various Windows UI details
DeliPlayer 2 - music player, including support for "MOD" formats
Schwab
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My 10 downloads
1. Trillian Pro - I use AIM, Y!, ICQ, IRC, and MSN chat clients. I use Trillian to notify me of updates to RSS feeds. I also use it to check POP3 e-mail accounts and Y! and HoTMaiL accounts. I also order my buddy list into Groups and Sub-Groups. Trillian also logs all chats which comes in handy on occasions. I also download the Aikon3 skin for Trillian. Trillian support secure profiles in case you have multiple people using the same install of Trillian.
Trillian website
Aikon 3 website w/Trilliain screenshots
2. Firefox - Light-weight, pop-up blocking, tabbed browsing rocks. And the plugins are very useful. All web designers should use the "Web Development" extension for Firefox. It allows you to automatically resize any webpage, disable images, cookies, java, ..., validates, and so much more. Save a lot time for the web devs. The "EditCSS" extension is cool because you can run your own CSS on other people's websites (make Slashdot fit your blog theme). Oh, and the Mozilla Google Toolbar for Firefox is a "must install". (I also install the Google bar for IE).
Firefox website
3. Microsoft Powertoys for XP (TweakUI) - A Microsoft download that allows for extra and powerful control of XP. Basically, it allows you to make some neat changes to your Registry that allows for increased productivity and usability. Tweaking XP made easy.
Microsoft Powertoys website
4. Versaverter - a neat little units converter that came in very helpful during my Engineering education. It has virtually every unit imaginable.
Versaverter website
5. Winamp5 - Light-weight MP3 player. Also play other media formats both audio and video. Skinnable, scalable, dockable, and extendable. I use only this program to playback MP3's. I like docking my Winamp screen at the bottom of my monitor. It's only about 20 pixels high. I also like right-clicking an MP3 folder and selecting Play in Winamp.
Winamp website
6. BS Player - Light-weight Video player. Playback video in half-time, double-time, resizable video screen, skinnable, commandline support, and more. My favorite video media player as I haven't found a player that gives me more control of the video I am watching.
BS Player website
7. Colorpad - tiny little .exe and GUI eyedropper utility. Use the eyedropper to get the HEX or HTML value of any pixel on screen. I don't think there's any current support for this app. Still, it's very handy and takes up little screen area with the right skin.
Colorpad @ Deviant Art
8. Winzip - compress and decompress files. Duh.
Winzip website
9. TravelAxe - Find cheap hotels from around the world. Puts information from popular travel websites into a sortable spreadsheet. Sorts by price, 1,2,3,4,5 Star rating, and more.
TravelAxe website
10. Musicmatch Jukebox - The only reason I install this software is to convert my audio CDs into MP3 archives. That part of this software is powerful and flexible. Don't use it for anything else.
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Here's mine
- FireFox, how else am I going to find and download the rest?
- AVG AV, so that the next 8 actually are what I want.
- Net Transport, to get the next 7 faster.
- WinRAR, some of the rest require extraction, and whatever one might say about WinRAR, I prefer it.
- WinAmp, so that I can listen
to RadioStorm
while I wait for the rest to download.
- Trillian Pro, so I can tell everyone I am reinstalling.
- NoteTab Pro, I paid for it for a reason after all.
- OpenOffice.org, so that I don't have to wait an hour for it to download when I need to use it later.
- Scorched Earth 3D, for a little fun.
- Synergy , check it out if you wanna know.
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first ten on Windows
I install these programs first on new Windows machines.
- firefox
- cygwin (including emacs, ncftp, wget, openssh, grep, sed, and other favorites)
- putty
- ntfilemon/ntregmon
- Java2 SDK
- winamp
- VideoLAN Client
- wget
- WinPT/gpg
- Filzip
VNC, Emacs for Windows, VMWare, CDEx, Vorbis Tools, DaemonTools follow. I like Photoshop but as long as it's crippled (currency watermarks) and activated I'll never buy another license for it.
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First 10 on WinXXXX(I actually like/use Windows 2000, just for Office pretty much):
1] PuTTY
2] WinSCP
3] McAffee VirusScan Enterprise
4] Moz Firefox
5] WinAMP
6] WinZIP
7] SciTE
8] MS Office
(I'm familiar with OO.o and StarOffice, but from what I've seen, MSOffice is the hands-down winner for me and is primarily what keeps me on Windows).
10] DBDesigner 4
And that about rounds out the list. After that, I reboot and hot-patch the box with locally stored patches, reboot, THEN connect for new patches.