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Mozilla Thunderbird 0.6 Released
KonijnenBunny writes "May 3rd sees the release of the 0.6 version of Mozilla's Thunderbird e-mail and newsgroup client, featuring improved junk-mail controls and a new brand identity, including a new Firefox-style icon.
I switched from some murky client which didn't exactly have a bright outlook regarding spam to Thunderbird a while back and was not dissapointed. Grab this latest version at Mozilla.org." Mac OS X users can also enjoy the new Pinstripe theme, which matches the previous theme of the same name applied to Firefox.
I would have thought that they would have renamed it to fit in with Firefox. Thunderfox isn't that bad a name, is it?
I just think the new logo looks way cooler than the old one
I switched from some murky client which didn't exactly have a bright outlook regarding spam
That's geekspeak for Outlook Express, if I remember.
Is it the garish pinstripe theme of old or the new, improved, and subdued pinstripe of Panther?
There's a great post by Jon Hick's about the design process for the new icon/logo.
Jon has been helping us with the visual identity work on Firefox and Thunderbird and doing some really great work.
Keep in mind, the artwork will continue to improve. Two issues we are particularly focused on improving are the small versions of the icons, and the visual consistency between the Firefox and the Thunderbird icons.
I don't mean to start a flamewar, but KMail REALLY does seem a lot more responsive (especially when manuevering about in the pulldown menus) than Thunderbird. Do you agree? If not, could I have done something wrong at some point?
Will this be the last major change in the "branding" of thunderfoxbird?
All this talk by the mozilla people about "branding" makes me cry. I hear way too much of this from UE people at IBM... enough to drive a guy mad, I tell you...
(not to mention, how many times can you change the look and feel -- errrrrr branding, sorry -- of a product before people start looking elsewhere? Or get lost?
If there is any hope for a standards-compliant World Wide Web, it lies in the website developers. Yes, that means you! Users are not going to witch to a standards-compiliant browser if they don't need to. Managers are not going to want to support standards if their users wont switch. And certainly Microsoft is not going to change IE. It's up to you, web developers: You have the
power to change things.
If you work on a for-profit site, make every reasonable attempt to resist your manager's urging to violate the standard in favor of IE. Do whatever you can get away with without being fired! At the very least, validate your HTML and test on standards-compliant browsers. Try to win your boss over away from the "we're a Microsoft Partner" way of thinking! Show him that everytime you violate the standard to appease IE, you are taking money out of your pocket and giving it to Microsoft, and are moving one step closer to a Microsoft-only Internet, complete with Microsoft-only viruses and trojans.
If you work on a not-for-profit website or if you're the boss, then you have no excuse. Don't make any consessions for IE. In fact, turn IE users away at the door. Put up some links for them to get with the program and download a standards-compliant browser. The more popular your site is, the more effective it will be if you refuse to serve IE. Microsoft wants an IE-only web, so lets give them a web that blacklists IE. As users start to ditch IE (and they will if they want to see your site), we'll see a snobwall-effect: More people will use standards-compliant browsers, and more sites will have to shape up and support them.
We can't wait for the users to suddenly switch to standards-compliant browsers. Likewise we can't wait for web site managers to get a clue. It's up to you, developers. You who are in the trenches every day, creating tomorrow's websites. You have the power to make the World Wide Web--and in effect, the entire Internet--standards compliant once again!
I still feel it chugs along a bit slowly at times...
I use it at home on gentoo box and it feels sluggish compared with the outlook client I use at work on a machine with a much lower spec.
I guess I'll be waiting for it to meander its way onto portage at some point.
Thunderbirds are GO!
Sorry couldn't resist it.
I love thunderbird, if I was on any other OS other then WinXP, I would use it. Except when it comes down to Thunderbird vs. Outlook Express, I'll take OE for speed.
Thunderbird is written in Java (correct me if I'm wrong), and can be terribly slow. That's the only reason OE wins, otherwise I would go for Thunderbird, it can just be painfully slow for me. But that goes for Java apps in general.
BTW, does Thunderbird use SWT or Swing? I know I'm being lazy, and could check for myself, just asking.
I love the work Mozilla has done so far, Firefox alone is great.
Did anyone see the article in The Wallstreet Journal back in January? Walt Mossberg praised NetCaptor for it's tabbed browsing, wonder if he saw Firefox or not.
Josh
Actually, that is not a bad point. It is a question if you want brand consciousness and a lot of jokes (you don't change the name to Thunderfox) or you want a similar naming scheme and a lot of jokes (you change the name).
On the other hand, they might run into trademark-problems once again if they try to change the name of the program to Thunderfox. There are only so many words one can use for a product/company per market niche.
I'd say this is one of those problems that are best ignored, however not renaming it is the easier way out.
How does this compare to Ximian Evolution? I've been using it for a while, but i'd probably switch if it was really worth it.
And the l33t shall inherit the 34r7h.
As I'm sure lots of people will ask, the Thunderbird name is staying.
For me, the most important new feature is IMAP IDLE Support. What this means is I can deploy TB to my 1500+ users. They can leave TB open all of the time and recieve instant notification of new messages. Our Courier IMAP Server which uses FAM for Enhanced IDLE Support means IDLE connections are using virtually NILL resources. Rather than polling every x number of minutes which causes a filesystem stat of the mailbox, FAM hooks into the Linux kernel, catches any changes to the mail folder, notifies Courier which in turn notifies the IMAP Client. This rocks!
I really hope so. I moved my parent's business PC to Thunderbird from Outlook about 6 months ago, and recently taught them how to use the Junk mail feature. The problem is that 0.5 seems to move a lot of legitimate email to the Junk folder (although it may be that my parents are marking things as junk when they just want to delete them - sigh).
Oh yeah, the new icon looks really nice too, almost as good as FireFoxs.
Mozilla is starting the drive to firefox 1.0, and Ben Goodger (the firefox guy) is requesting that everyone report/nominate their most favorite bugs so that they have a better chance of getting fixed.
How does Thunderbird do with IMAP and IMAP-ssl? I use Kontact/KMail now and really have little reason to switch, but I'm always up for trying new things if they have really made a nice interface.
So who uses IMAP with T-Bird and how does it do?
-N
I've nothing to say here...
A new Icon!
"/Dread"
"and a new brand identity, including a new Firefox-style icon."
Hint, hint, hint, hint...
Time for Slashdot to update its icon for Firefox & company now. No more dinosaur on amphetemenes... time for a real icon. Come on, guys.
I was just getting ready to install it anyways.
Anyone know where I can get one? Not on the apt repositories yet :(
The Anti-Blog
When I delete an email it disappears at the GUI level, but when I vi the Inbox file the email is still there and so the Inbox folder is growing. Am I doing something wrong or does Mozilla email client really suck that much.
A date?
Well I hope you had fun on Slashdot while it lasted. Good luck in your non-geek life. *Sob*
Why is anything anything?
Thunderbird now comes with an installer for Windows making it easier than ever to start using Thunderbird!
The new Pinstripe theme fits in with the look of Mac OS X.
The algorithm for the adaptive junk mail controls has been heavily redesigned to learn faster and catch more spam.
To be consistent with the Mozilla Foudation's goal of brand identity, Thunderbird has a new logo and supporting artwork thanks to the fine work of the Mozilla Visual Identity team.
IMAP users can now benefit from support for the IMAP IDLE command which allows the mail server to push notifications such as new mail arriving as soon as it arrives.
Thunderbird supports server-wide news filters that apply to all newsgroups on a server.
Thunderbird includes Secure Password Authentication using a new cross-platform NTLM authentication mechanism for IMAP, POP3 and SMTP.
Mail filters can now mark messages as junk.
Offline support is an optional download component in the Windows installer and is no longer a separately-downloaded extension.
Mac OS X users now get new mail notification in the system dock.
The DOM Inspector is an optional download component in the Windows installer for theme authors.
Tools > Options > Compose > HTML Options allows you to set up default HTML compose options such as font, size and color.
Attachments can be opened directly from the compose window to verify their contents before sending.
Thunderbird now supports the notion of multiple identities per mail account. This makes it easy to have several e-mail addresses which end up going into the same account. Read More about how to set this up.
In the case of a failure when copying a message to an online Sent folder, Thunderbird will now ask if you would like it to try again.
0.6 on Windows includes several improvements to Simple MAPI that allow it to work with older versions of Microsoft Office.
Pasting data from an OpenOffice.org spreadsheet no longer pastes random HTML garbage before the actual spreadsheet data into HTML compose.
Fixed several situations where LDAP connections were left open when using LDAP auto complete or performing searches on LDAP directories.
Improved view source behavior.
Mail notification for POP3 messages that are marked deleted or marked read by mail filters no longer occurs.
The "Mark All Read" keyboard shortcut now works for Linux GTK2.
Here's a tip: if you want to impress her, DO NOT talk about the new Mozilla Thunderbird release, or even anything you saw on Slashdot today. Coding/opensource and chicks are mutually exclusive.
Too bad they removed my ability to send messages. Oh well, looks like its back to .05 for me.
I know that some people will flame on about the "small tools" approach, but it would really make sense to tightly integrate Mozilla Calendar into Thunderbird. Like it or not, people have expectations, and the general expectation is that their email program will be a full PIM suite (Calendar, Tasks, Contacts). As nice as Thunderbird is, there's a large segment of the population that will take a look at it and say "No calendar? Then I'll stick with Outlook." And that's a shame, because getting rid of Outlook is one step on the road to getting rid of Windows.
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"You are trully beaten in this hall of mirrors."
or are you?
We are but two hydrogen atoms swirling in the maelstrom.
Just in case the server crashes and burns (like they usually do),I have put up a mirror.s es/ is at http://mirrorit.demonmoo.com/r_220/www.mozilla.org /products/thunderbird/releases/ g /products/thunderbird/
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The mirror of http://www.mozilla.org/products/thunderbird/ is at http://mirrorit.demonmoo.com/r_220/www.mozilla.or
--From the thunderbird webpage--
Upgraders: DO NOT install Mozilla Thunderbird into a directory containing program files from a previous version. Overwriting files from a previous release WILL cause problems. To re-use the directory of a previous install, the directory must be deleted and recreated, emptied, moved, or renamed. You should not file bugs in Bugzilla if you choose to ignore this step.
The program directory does not contain profile information; any existing accounts, account settings, options, e-mail, and news messages will remain intact. This release does not require changes to your profile to function properly.
Important: If you used a prior version of Thunderbird and installed themes OR extensions, you need to do the following or Thunderbird may NOT run properly. Find your profile directory. There should be a sub directory called chrome. Remove everything in chrome. This will not affect your mail data or preferences.
There isn't? Oh no! I must do something about my imagination.
The sad thing is, only we know the truth, or maybe someone with admin privelages can look up the ip logs and confirm the beauty of it all.
You in NZ? it's 12:20 here is australia - land of trolls.
For those who are running Thunderbird on OS X, what made you choose this over Apple's Mail program? What features does Thunderbird offer that Mail does not?
Thanks!
-Troy
Right-click the folder's name and use "Compact this Folder" from time to time. Removes the leftovers from old mails from the index file. Eudora has the same stuff, for example, so it's not an example for a sucky mail client, but for an architecture I don't really understand because I'm not a developer :-D
-- Power corrupts, but PowerPoint corrupts absolutely.
mutually exclusive....Nah...you can still do both at the same time, it's just easier with a wireless keyboard and mouse
"Look Lois, the two symbols of the Republican Party: an elephant, and a fat white guy who is threatened by change."
Not to be a Nitpick, but can I download the KDE environment for Win32, so I can compile KMail on my workmachine running Windows XP?
Mozilla might not be perfect, but at least it's platform independent.
And not to nitpick even further, but if there is one thing Outlook is, it is responsive. Still doesn't mean I would use it for anything in the world.
Nothing wrong with tight code, but for some applications speed isn't everything. Mail is probably one of those things where speed really doesn't matter that much.
And putting issues aside, Opera's M2 email-client is very fast as well (yes Opera has issues. For the web I exclusively use Opera, but M2 has protocol flaws).
Not Buzzword 2.0 compliant. Please speak english.
Coding/opensource and chicks are mutually exclusive.
Yeah, I made that mistake last year. I still write code for her, but I get journal papers out of it, not dates. Thankfully I'm a fast learner and I've actually been out with a few girls since then.
As much as I'd like to get away from Outlook, TBird just ain't gonna cut it for me. Having a different set of folders for each email account is something I can't get over. If I could only run Evolution in Windows, I'd be a happy panda. (BTW, please don't tell me to go change prefs.js.obscure.file.whatever. I'm niot interested in hacking my email client to make it work.)
where is the "I feel for ya, but that's some funny ass shit" moderation?
Calendar extension for Thunderbird. Have fun :)
-- Power corrupts, but PowerPoint corrupts absolutely.
Remember that Thunderbird is still pre 1.0 release which means that you should be prepared for "features" (bugs).
I switched my own laptop from XP-Outlook to Thunderbird 0.5 a few weeks ago, and I am delighted with the huge gain in performance, the improved virus protection, spam filtering as well as the fact that the new platform is Open-source.
However, when I did the import from Outlook, it mangled some of the email address and attachments, so I keep Outlook for backup purposes, so I can check old emails. I would not switch back, but just keep a record of all the files you use. Of course, we are all careful and audit-trail all of our work, aren't we!
To sum up: great product and project, but handle the delivery with care.
In fact, turn IE users away at the door.
This is utopian and dumb. If you are running a business there is no way you would be so stupid as to turn away 90+% of your customers at the door simply because you don't like the way they are dressed. Idealistic, yes. Web standards are well and good, but the real world intervenes.
I am sure your date will go really well if you inform the cute girl that you equal her asking you out, with a "technology preview" of a mail-reader.
*grin*
Not Buzzword 2.0 compliant. Please speak english.
There were many things I liked a lot last time I looked. But these problems prevented me from switching.
*sigh*. Is it EVER gonna get a single local mail tree for all POP accounts feature? Is it even on the list of planned enhancements? Until it gets this, I WILL NOT SWITCH TO IT. Nor will quite a few other people. I wish the developers would get a clue.
This issue pisses me off, a lot. Because I'd love to switch from OE, but I won't put up with not having this feature.
== Jez ==
Do you miss Firefox? Try Pale Moon.
You just had to tell it someone, right?
x
This post is a hoax. Only Windows-users think like this!
What I would love as a feature in Thunderbird, is the use of a database back-end.
...).
When you get a mail the headers are parsed and stored in a database... the sender and other receipents are then linked to your contacts that are also stored in a database. Mail folders like we know them now are then just a certain view of your mail (all mail of the last week, unanswered mail, mail from contact X (also if he changed email address in the meantime!), and other user-defined properties (e.g. regarding project Y)).
Evolution does this to some extend (virtual folders and db storage). But they've stopped where it got really interesting (like the linking to contacts, tasks, user-defined properties,
It would also be nice if this db can be remote; this way a webmail application could use the same database. In some way this would then be a new IMAP server... but with more flexibility, support for complex queries, virtual folder, and not mail-only.
Does anybody else think this would be interesting?
No, outlook isn't very bright.
If only it could work with Exchange in a Networked environment. I am trapped by circumstance into hosting my organization's e-mail with Exchange on the server side and Outlook clients.
if I was on any other OS other then WinXP,
Why do you have to use another OS before using WinXP?
Since you have decided to use XP, your computing experience would be more efficient if you go straight into XP. That way you will eliminate that first step.
I love the new artwork. It works great in the About box and as a banner on a webpage. It's good to see that Mozilla.org takes branding seriously. I don't think that it works well as an icon though.
The new icon loses its bird-carrying-an-envelope meaning when scaled down. The first thing I thought of was a blue-haired LEGO guy and surely that's not good. The blue color also clashes slightly with the default Windows background color.
Let's hope they tweak the smaller icon sizes for legibility.
Wow! That looks 100% better! Before it just didn't look right. Now it follows Mandrake's Galaxy theme and looks great.
I switched from Pine to Thunderbird a few weeks ago; here are the most important things I miss:
Another feature which would be nice to have (but not nearly as important to me) is support for mbox folders in subdirectories of the top-level mail folder.
Anyone know whether it's possible to do any of the above in Thunderbird? If not, what's the best way to make the feature request?
- Kevin B. McCarty
Check out the D-Spam project. Very effective; claims to be 10x more accurate than a human. (If the parent-parent post is any indication of human skill at spam filtering, than 10x is a gross understatement. ~,^ )
Funny, most programs written for OSX don't have to have a 'theme' in order to make them look... just like a standard OSX program. What's wrong with doing that?
I've been using it on my PowerBook for months since my mail client of choice (Mailsmith) doesn't do IMAP and having the PB do IMAP is the easiest way to avoid synch problems.
That being said, up to and including a nightly from Friday, it still can't handle a mailto: link passed to it from another application.
Silly--and sloppy.
I hate to break this to all mail client developers, but after using GMail, I doubt I'd ever be going back to anything else.
The main problem with have desktop mail clients is about spam. I access mail from 5 diff computers, so it takes 5 times as much effort to train the clients junk mail controls (since they dont share data). With gmail's central reporting, not only do optimize my spam settings, but I also benefit from other people's reporting.
All gmail needs is some sort of inbox monitor and I'd be all set.
Give him a break, he posts on Slashdot. He's probably never so much as talked to a girl before.
A bit like me, really.
It's interesting that the Mozilla people don't seem to see this issue. They just think of it in terms of notification:
Having your email delayed by a brief polling interval is surely less important than eliminating polling overhead on the server. That the Mozilla folks don't grasp this suggests an unpleasant disconnect from real world problems.I'd really like to have my mail in both clients... anyone out there manage to export from thunderbird to Outlook Express?
"To confine our attention to terrestrial matters would be to limit the human spirit." -Stephen Hawking
So what is the big deal?
Oooh, Mozilla released another minor revision to Thuderbird. Big deal. No new features, just improovements on the same theme.
I'm sorry, but items like Vermont Yankee's missing fuel rodes or NASA using Hollywood stuntmen to catch falling space probes or even news about the world's earliest known BBQ seem a lot more like 'news for nerds' than a minor revision to an already well-known (in the OSS community) application.
The developer on May 1st specifically asked for testing on RC2 to flesh out final bugs and myself and others listed several in the Mozillazine Forum. He then proceeded to just ignore them and release Thunderbird 6 with them. When I say ignore them I mean he literally didn't even respond and acknowledge them. I've been involved with OSS for like 6 years now so I know how busy devs can get and I know you don't treat them like they are working for you. But these are pretty sizeable bugs and he specifically started a thread for feedback. Next time I'm just not going to bother with bug testing.
Now I can have an email client with a cool spam filter which I can rely on and not having to resort to Spambayes (which is pretty good except it suck quite alot of CPU) because the spam filter built in Outlook is crap...
Thanks to Mozilla for releasing Thunderbird 0.6, bye bye Outlook!
Can I turn off the preview pane yet? (yeah I know I can shrink it out of the screen.. I want it completely off though)
Did I fsck things up, or does Help -> About still indicate "version 0.5"?
As somone else already pointed out, Calendar is available as an extension, and I'm inclined to think that's where it ought to stay. Were Calendar not a far, far less mature app than Thunderbird, you might persuade me that they should be bundled, but the timing is not right.
The Moz folks readily admit "we currently lack active developers" on Calendar.
You can't print tasks, can't export to HTML, can't do a proper advanced search, can't integrate with more popular clients, and can't sync with mobile devices.
Lack of decentralized, open calendar functionality is a sore spot for me. I use Thunderbird at home, Lotus Notes at work, an iPAQ on the go, and I interact with lots of folks using Outlook, so I certainly sympathize with the point you are making. But I'm afraid it's quite wishful thinking at this point.
did someone try this release in win95? the system requirements say >= win98
Okay that's it. Slashdot needs a date-advice section. Or how about "Ask Slashdot... Out"?
Why is anything anything?
Does Firefox 0.8 + Thunderbird 0.6 = Mozilla 1.6 or are Firefox and ThunderBird completely seperate beast.
Rob
Just downloaded the OSX version and still don't see any way to import or use the native OSX address book. It may seem like a small point, but when your trying to roll out a new mail client, being able to keep you old address book is a very handy thing indeed. Cheers
They should see this... it's important.
anyone familiar with FreeAgent/Agent from Forteinc?
Is this a good replacement?
* Winners compare their achievements to their goals, losers compare theirs to that of others.
A lot of people are posting interesting suggestions and comments and some people are posting the reasons why they don't yet use Thunderbird.
To those of you who actually want to see your suggestions implemented, I suggest you file a bug or at the very least, submit it for discussion at the Mozillazine Forums.
You get a new version every two months!
When will they get rid of this theming junk and integrate things with MacOS X the way it does things?
/proceeds to prepare for negative moderation.
Keep in mind, I only use Firefox when I am in windows or Linux/FreeBSD. But after using Firefox on MacOSX (even with the theme), it just seems wrong. It doesn't follow the interface guidelines. Camino is about the best gecko browser, but Safari isn't as braindead as IE, so less of a need for a decent browser. As far as Thunderbird goes, I just couldn't use it until it actually uses cocoa widgets. It is painfully obvious that the theme doesn't work like MacOS X.
Well there goes my karma.
Not from the index file, but it removes the actual message from the IMAP server. In IMAP world, deleted messages still exist and take up space until they are "expunged" which is what compacting does.
Horseshit. At that point, a build for linux is a build for windows, because I could have used VMware.
For everyone else, putting cygwin is way too cumbersome and slow to be considered native. And yes, I have successfully got cygwin installed.
How does Thunderbird compare with Evolution, KMail, mutt, pine, Sylpheed, and Outlook?
[I use Mozilla Firefox for browsing but Evolution (on KDE) for email.]
"Provided by the management for your protection."
Instead of importing and exporting all the time, it would be nice if the mail client simply integrated, using the existing mail folders. There's always features of one client that you want in another, but it's a pain to use two different clients. The operating system (windows and macosx anyway, I don't know about linux) already has the address book / mail folder api's available, why not just use them?
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mmm manly
...excellent quotage though!
I used to use Safari and Mail.app but since the upgrade cycle is killing me (just moved to 10.2) I can't upgrade neither one of them without doing the whole OS over. Also I stopped using Mail.app a while back since I had a crash and it lost data (in an IMAP folder!) which is (to me personally) unforgivable!
I switched my home computers over to Thunderbird from Outlook and would never go back. Best email program I've used. Now if it would support Exchange so I could use it at work...
Until Safari allows me to allow or deny cookies from individual servers like the Mozilla family can, it will never satisfy my inner Cookie Nazi. I'll stick with Firefox until then (despite its many flaws).
If it's for-profit but free, you're not the customer -- you're the product (e.g., the Slashdot Beta's "audience").
I understand the mental association between a pigeon and mail, but in which way is a pigeon a thunder bird ?
Thunderbox. You know, to go along with the new naming scheme.
I'd love to switch to Thunderbird, from rickety old emacs RMAIL, but one thing keeps stopping me. I get a lot of business email and I need to keep it archived and organized well. My archive is organized by sender and year: about 350 files for different senders each year, averaging maybe 10-100 emails in each file, dating back now over 11 years (about 3000+ files). Keeping this in emacs RMAIL is trivial, because they're all just regular files in my home directory that I can rename or move to new subdirs at will, and I can save emails out of RMAIL just by typing "o" and giving the name of the file. And since Emacs is lightweight enough (!) to run over my DSL connection, I never really need to run an email client anywhere but from my main work machine where my archive is, even when I'm travelling, so I haven't needed IMAP capability.
When I look at Thunderbird and other modern clients, I just don't see a way to keep track of old email as efficiently. I can create "local folders", I guess, but it doesn't appear that Thunderbird is going to treat these as regular files that I can shuffle off into a 2004/ subdirectory at the end of the year. And worse, since Thunderbird is heavyweight enough that I'm not going to run it down a DSL connection, it's going to create them locally, not remotely on my work machine, when I'm reading mail from home or on the laptop while travelling. IMAP seems to be a partial answer but it's going to keep its data on the mail host, not in my home directory, if I understand right.
Surely people have the same problem - how do you solve it?
Kmail has horrible IMAP support. Right after you load it, it will get your emails just fine, but after 10 minutes, it will always get stuck while updating your folders.
Just forward copies of your email to gmail, and read your mail by IMAPing to your regular server. Email backup is easy.
While it doesn't show the number of new messages, it does keep popping up in the dock, and the icon gets a green tick mark, if there is a new email. I love it!!
All bow to his Noodliness!! His Noodle Appendage has touched me!
Is the nightly builds. It is SO easy to get nightly builds working. You almost never lose any of your settings, just delete the contents of the program directory, download the .zip containing the newest nightly build, plop it in the old folder, and viola, nice spanking new version. :) for that reason this .6 release isn't really a big deal to me!
Whens the last time IE or Outlook had an update?
"The saddest words of mice and men, are not those which were, but should have been."
I use IMAP. It's true that the mail resides on the mail host, but the "mail host" for IMAP can be your computer, which is what you're doing de facto anyway.
Takes a bit to set up but you won't be looking back. And you can also set up webmail with squirrelmail for internet cafe/kiosk access when you're away. It's very convenient, really.
There's a new throbber for TB! I liked the old one better. Can someone do a theme for TB that looks the same but has the FireFox-type throbber? But I do like the new logo.
The main reason I don't use mail clients like this is because they will not sync with my palm. I need to be able to make a calendar change in one application and have it on my handheld or vice versa. Does anyone know of plans to include this feature?
So what is it going to take to get to version 1.0? I'm uneasy about software that even the developer labels with what is considered beta release versioning.
"It's the height of ridiculousness to say for those 9 lines you get hundreds of millions."
>> How many folks on a Mac are really interested in using anything other than Safari and Mail?
My father and I both use Mozilla. My ex- and her family use the "new" Netscape.
Safari and Mail are great, but they still lack. Mozilla's email component runs rings around Apple's Mail.
Admittedly, we are running Mozilla on fast 867MHz G4's.
--Richard
Who cares? Gmail will soon be here!
-516
> 2. It would do PGP/MIME instead of signing inline (yuck!).
t ml
It does. It's just non-obvious to get it to work.
http://kmail.kde.org/kmail-pgpmime-howto.h
I think there is a plan to get this to work out of the box in the not too distant future, though I don't know how close this is to being a reality.
I'm a number, not a free man!
Actually, I asked the magic 8 ball on my desk if this was the case. What it said was
"Outlook not so good"
A clear sign that Thunderbird has passed Outlook.
"I have great faith in fools: Self confidence my friends call it." ~Edgar Allan Poe
With Yenc support missing from the 050 version, my opinion is a loud and clear...No Way will I switch to Thunderbird as prime email and news client. Now if one does not use Usenet for binary collection then it might be. My prime email and news client at this time is Agent 2. I am waiting to try TB 060 to see if it is time for possibly switching. Another feature I want is full control over blasted HTML crappy email just about everyone seems to be sending. I have that control in Agent yet I can not find it in TB yet. Perhaps TB 060 will change that.
It boils down to personal tastes. For me, I think Agent shall remain my prime email and news reader client for the foreseeable future with TB as backup and playtoy. You may think the 100% reverse which is certainly your right.
Of course you can. Now you can't do it with shell commands but you can create an arbitrary hierarchy with local folders that mimic what ever structure you want. I'm using Mozilla but I imagine you can just Right click over the root node in the tree you want to expand, choose new folder. You can then do a search over you local folders (i.e. "all messages from year 2004"), select all, and move to the 2004 folder. What else do you want?
You can still scan them as "regular files" with Emacs if you want. Just can't modify them outside the application. Most of my 'ancient' email forays are informational, not to "do" anything with them.
As far as remote access. Run VNC through SSH. The only thing on the wire is the screen bit changes. Not quite as lightwieght as text mode Emacs, but over DSL should work good enough.
keeping all the mail on the mail host works in IMAP (again you can have whatever hierarchy you want of folders in most setups). The problem is quota. Most likely you "home dir" quota is significantly higher than your "IMAP" quota. My mail archive over several years is gigabytes. No one is going to give you gigabytes on an IMAP server.... Google inlcuded. :-) (gigabytes because folks love sending Word and Powerpoint in email instead of shared file mechanisms.).
I could be wrong, but I think the mail files that thunderbird creates are just plain text files one message after the next separated by "From ...". It's the same format pine uses... can't think of the name.
I am pretty sure I copied my pine mail files into my local thunderbird directory and it picked them up just fine.
So I would think you could create a sub folder and move whatever files you want into it.
also for imap, except for perhaps your inbox, the rest of your mail is stored in your home directory... usually anyway...
Yay, they've also updated the graphical smileys from totally awful to reasonably attractive. Much better.
... good as Thunderbird is at blocking spam and viruses, if it starts deleting people's email ...
Is there yet a way to get Thunderbird to steal things like email, newsgroup settings, and address-book data from mozilla? I've experimented with the Tool...Import stuff, but its behavior is totally baffling, and it doesn't seem to have ever nabbed any data from any competitor.
This is on both linux on OSX, where I have stuff in MacMail and MozMail that I'd really like to merge into the bird's files.
There's also the mess caused by the 7 browsers (at last count) on my OSX box. For testing web pages, of course; for real browsing I do mostly use firefox now. It would be really nice if I could somehow find a way for them to share at least the bookmarks. But I suppose that's a wild dream.
Those who do study history are doomed to stand helplessly by while everyone else repeats it.
it doesn't appear that Thunderbird is going to treat these as regular files that I can shuffle off into a 2004/ subdirectory at the end of the year.
Actually that's the nice part about the netscape/mozilla/thunderbird mail format, it's just plain old files, which are amenable to all the normal text utilities. I can even read my old mozilla mail folders using elm -f (folder name).
I do indeed archive my old mail by year as well.
I think wa are a menace to websites as a slashdotting identity heh
Buts its not that fun since we all want to take a look, maybe we should start a slahdot-p2p website mirroring thinguie for our viewing pleasure
Actually I'm a long time user of evolution
I think evolution has potential, but it's got a ways to go - after I lost all my email from an update, I decided to dump it. I now use thunderbird. One of evolutions most annoying "features" was its inability to check mailboxes individually - it's always an all-or-nothing proposition. The stupid thing about it is that for those that you don't want to check, you have to cancel a series of password dialogs- every time, unless you set it to check certain boxes automatically- and that's not always a desired option.
Is there any progress on a kerberos authentication plugin? I'm managing several hundred lab machines, and our campus uses kerberos. Thunderbird would be the ideal cross-platform (Mac, Linux, Win) mail client, since users would have the same experience regardless of platform. Until there's kerberos support, I can't point to Thunderbird as a solution for my users.
Anyone tried running Thunderbird on Citrix? We are moving away from Netscape and not going anywhere near Outlook. =)
A clever person solves a problem. A wise person avoids it. -- Einstein
--Mark
"It is nice to know that the computer understands the problem. But I would like to understand it too." --Eugene Wigner
... Thunderbitch!
I've had a number of colleagues complain about how they want to delete large attachments from their inbox while not losing the text portion of their messages. An example scenario: when a group is revising a large document and sending revisions to each other several times a day.
Does anyone know why more mailers don't have the ability to save/remove attachments without destroying text? It seems to me you'd just search for the starting/ending MIME flags, pipe the message through a filter that doesn't echo the MIME text, and recreate a replacement message with the headers and text unchanged.
Anyone reading this know about mail manager programming?
How about Thunderbox?
Now THAT is a way to flush away spam...
Disclaimer: I am not an expert at anything, let alone Japanese mythology. As I recall, the original Final Fantasy had the classic four elements: Earth, Fire, Water, and Wind. Each element in that game had a corresponding Fiend, which is a theme that appears in several games in the series. Over time, however, the games evolved several new elements. Thunder more or less replaced Wind at some point as one of the primaries, but Wind elemental spells still show up in the series. Ice (or Blizzard) similarly replaced Water. Final Fantasy 7 had a dozen or so elements, I think.
My guess is that it's about balance in the magic in those games. If you could manipulate those forces, then it makes sense that you could use a little fire to hurt something, or a little electricity, or a lump of ice. It doesn't make sense that you could hurt something with just air unless it was a lot of high-velocity air, like a tornado. But sending a tornado after an imp doesn't seem to be on the same level as setting one's fur on fire, so you don't get to summon tornados or torrential floods until you get to the level where you can conjure flames big enough to destroy whole armies or ice meteors capable of forming new lakes.
In other words, it's pretty much a Squaresoft thing instead of a Japanese thing.
If you want a replacement for Forte Agent, you should check out Pan (pimp ass newsreader). This is the best newsreader if you want text groups or if you want to leech binaries.
No can do. We can hammer your karma to shit though
I'm amazing. You aren't. SUCK IT
As the sysadmin of a rowing club, I am trying to find a good mail client for some time now. We have a small network of 4 workstations and a server. They are all running Windows, which is most familiar to nealy all users. In particular I want to be able to put all mail and settings of each user on a mapped network drive, pointing to their home directory on the server.
Currently we use Eudora, which is very easy in this matter as you can specify the user directory in the command line:
"eudora.exe z:\mail"
I would love to switch to Thunderbird, as Eudora has some other drawbacks. However, I have not been able to find if this can be done in Thunderbird yet. Does anyone know?
How the heck hard is it for you to go to Account Settings->Server Settings->Advanced?
What, are you adding and removing 10 accounts per day that you can't be bothered to make 1 lousy extra click?
And besides, a majority of users still are on dialup, and still use only their ISP's SMTP.
If you are going to be a picky asshole about it, then fucking code it yourself.
What the hell do you think of that?
I dual boot Win2K and Mandrake, so to make things consistant, I changed my Mandrake email from KMail to Thunderbird as well. The fantastic thing that I discovered after doing this change was that I can use the same data files for both boots! My mail is now consistant however I boot.
So now that my wife and I are using OpenOffice.org, Firefox and Thunderbird, all with common data, it is getting to the point where the OS is disappearing.
As soon as I can get all the plugins to work in Firefox, I can get rid of Windows altogether. Freedom!
Very nice. However, it still can't display yEnc encoded attachments, so for now I'll have to stick with Pan, horrible as it is in other respects.
I've heard that the IMAP protocol is nasty and has never been implemented twice compatably, but the functionality is just about perfect for mail.
I use qmail and courier to concentrate about four or five different mail feeds and a few lists, and I can access my mail with mutt or evolution or thunderbird, or [insert most mailers here] from anywhere on the network.
-- Andrew
The UW-IMAP server supports the IDLE command according to their documentation. Has anyone gotten it to work with Thunderbird 0.6? I don't know if there's something I have to configure, but when I send an email I don't get a notification in Thunderbird until the standard check-mail time expires.
I'm using TB as my primary client to receive inbox porn. I want to be able to save all image or movie files from the inbox after I download them from the pop3 server to a folder on my harddisk. So far, I cannot do this with TB.
Will v.6 allow me to save images from multiple message to a folder or will I have to click on each message one at a time?
Obvious AC
You keep around 11-year-old email? Whoa, you must work a Microsoft.
Thunderbird .6 says it comes with a spiffy new installer, which indeed installed the program nicely and brought all up in working order.
Alas, it didn't come with a warning not to uninstall previous versions. When I add/remove'd 0.4, all my scores of addresses and hundreds of messages appear to be completely lost.
(WINXP - Yeah, I searched application data folders)
heh. sorry if i moderated an honest post as flamebait. (i moderated your post as flamebait.) just fyi, the reason i moderated it that way was that your claims were so obviously wrong that i believed you were intending to solicit flames. Here's why:
1. Thunderbird has nothing to do with java. not a scrap of java code anywhere there. No SWT. No AWT. No Swing.
2. Thunderbird is not slow. In fact, it is substantially faster than Outlook Express on my machine. (650MHz PIII.)
In addition to those two technical problems with your post, it further looks like "flamebait" because people enjoy flaming those who say positive things about Outlook Express.
Sorry if it turns out that you really weren't posting flamebait, but there's why it looks like it to me.
Regards,
your friendly moderator.