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First Ten Programs on New Install?

reddigitaldragon asks: "Some people re-install once a year, but if you're anything like me your machine is formatted at least once a month. After the OS is in, then come the favorite/must have/most used programs to install. My first installations for Windows (I use it; get over it): Trillian, Winrar, Firefox, Winamp, SmartFTP, Azureus, NMap, GKrellM, PowerDVD. What are your First 10 installed programs?" What are the first 10 programs you would install on a Windows machine? How about for a Unix machine?

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  1. My First 10... by inertia187 · · Score: 5, Funny
    On Windows (XP), my first ten are as follows:
    • Windows XP Hotfix - KB810217
    • Windows XP Hotfix - KB820291
    • Windows XP Hotfix - KB821253
    • Windows XP Hotfix - KB821557
    • Windows XP Hotfix - KB822603
    • Windows XP Hotfix - KB823182
    • Windows XP Hotfix - KB823559
    • Windows XP Hotfix - KB823980
    • Windows XP Hotfix - KB824105
    • Windows XP Hotfix - KB824141
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    1. Re:My First 10... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      those are part of the os install as far as I am concerned. Who in their right mind (excluding users) would think of installing software without installing ALL the patches for the OS they are using....

    2. Re:My First 10... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's funny, LAUGH!

    3. Re:My First 10... by Advocadus+Diaboli · · Score: 4, Funny

      You forgot the very first program that is installed automagically: Win32Blaster. :-)

    4. Re:My First 10... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Firefox
      Java SDK
      Eclipse
      quicktime
      realplayer
      Civilization II
      civilization III
      Alpha Centuri
      Stars!
      V for Victory!

    5. Re:My First 10... by Soko · · Score: 5, Informative

      Myself, I prefer to roll those into my install CD via slipstreaming. (Google for "XP slipstream hotfix" for more) That way, I get as much protection as possible OOTB.

      Slip-streaming isn't possible though with those confounded restore CDs from OEMs though. Grrrr....

      Soko

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    6. Re:My First 10... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Some people re-install once a year, but if you're anything like me your machine is formatted at least once a month

      I do a lot of funny things on my desktop and the uptime is:

      $ uptime
      21:03:19 up 58 days, 1:59, 1 user,


      I think there is something seriously wrong with your box :)
    7. Re:My First 10... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative
      How about doing it this way?

      Kerio Personal Firewall 2.0

      DCOMbob

      ShootTheMessenger

      UnPnP

      Windows XP SP2

      Office 2000

      Adobe Acrobat Reader 6

      Mozilla

      MinGW

      FreeCIV

    8. Re:My First 10... by nocomment · · Score: 4, Funny

      klez, sobig, blaster, traxg, beagle, gator, savenow, mydoom, hotbar, and that's as far as I get before I have to format and install unix!

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    9. Re:My First 10... by teko_teko · · Score: 1

      and mine: - Norton AV - ZoneAlarm - Win 2000 SP 4 - IE 6 - Other patches and fixes - DirectX then goes the programs

    10. Re:My First 10... by Russellkhan · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "Who in their right mind (excluding users) would think of installing software without installing ALL the patches for the OS they are using..."

      Not sure, maybe the same person who ends up having to format and reinstall his OS at least once a month? (Not saying poster was in his right mind...)

      Seriously though, a note to reddigitaldragon:
      If you know you're gonna reinstall and you know what you're gonna put on the system after installing, you really should invest in a copy of Ghost (or DriveImage, but I haven't worked with that, so I can't personally vouch for its functionality). It'll save you several hours each month. Do your install once, install your progs, defrag (for good measure) make a Ghost image, burn it to CD along with ghost.exe and next time the whole process will take you ~10 minutes.

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    11. Re:My First 10... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i) Visual Studio.Net 2003 (Absolutely the best developer tool)
      ii) Office 2003(Excel, the greatest asset manager & project manager)
      iii) eMule 0.30e
      iv) FireFox (Super Browser, mail, newsreader client)
      v) Adobe Creative Suite (Photoshop, Acrobat, Illustrator)
      vi) SecureCRT, WinSCP (remote to UNIX boxes)
      vii) SQL Server 2000 (Easily the best db for the developer)
      viii) Flight Simulator
      ix) Sims Deluxe
      x) Websphere Studio 5.1/Websphere Server (Awesome Java Dev. tool)

    12. Re:My First 10... by thebra · · Score: 1

      After just 10 - 20 mins that darn virus is on my machine when I re-install. Windows rocks!

    13. Re:My First 10... by theo2520 · · Score: 1, Informative

      Yeah, but editing those config files is a b*tch if you don't have XPCREATE.

    14. Re:My First 10... by pnutjam · · Score: 5, Informative

      I user partimage from the Linux Rescue CD, you can get it here. Works like a charm and it's free.

    15. Re:My First 10... by ron_ivi · · Score: 4, Interesting
      "invest in a copy of Ghost "

      Or, just "cp /dev/hda /dev/hdc".

      And yes, I have heard about 'dd'. cp works just fine

    16. Re:My First 10... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wait -- I thought Outlook came with pre-installed viruses!?!?

    17. Re:My First 10... by steveb964 · · Score: 3, Funny

      - cvsup-without-gui
      - ethereal
      - nmap
      - evolution
      - mozilla
      - gnucash
      - ettercap
      - openvpn
      - vnc
      - amanda

      All from ports :o)

    18. Re:My First 10... by Russellkhan · · Score: 1

      Looks handy. Downloading now, thanks.

      Do you know if it can compress Win32 filesystems? I think it was Mondo I checked out before that couldn't handle this. This is essential for fitting the image onto a CD.

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    19. Re:My First 10... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      use dd_rescue and get a progress indicator for free (plus it's faster than dd without bs argument).

    20. Re:My First 10... by skilef · · Score: 5, Interesting

      well you're right, windows does require a lot of tweaking before I even get around to installing apps...

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    21. Re:My First 10... by cayenne8 · · Score: 2, Interesting
      "Not sure, maybe the same person who ends up having to format and reinstall his OS at least once a month?"

      My thinking exactly...why would anyone need to re-install their OS monthly???

      I mean hell, even on the few MS boxes I have, I don't re-install the OS but every few years. Of course, I don't use them very often...

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    22. Re:My First 10... by jez9999 · · Score: 1

      Hum... but can you schedule Ghost to happen once nightly via a batch script, getting the system to reboot first? I'd like regular ghosting of my main partition onto a backup partition, in case the main drive fails. Getting all the registry settings back to how they are now would be a nightmare!

    23. Re:My First 10... by hummassa · · Score: 4, Informative

      google for slipstream.
      Now, serious: 7-zip is better and is Free Software.
      I always install Mozilla and the PuTTY family.
      Cygwin if I think I will use the machine a lot.
      VIM !!!

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    24. Re:My First 10... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I never have a computer plugged up to the network until I get a few major XP Hotfixes installed. Keeps Blaster/Nachi, etc off the virgin system.

    25. Re:My First 10... by Russellkhan · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Is that really gonna help the poster of this article? Nope. He only uses Windows.

      And will it compress Win32 filesystems properly? Oh no, wait, you're not compressing at all. How are you going to fit that image onto a CD? Oh, wait, that's not an image, it's just a directory tree.

      Very helpful post otherwise - oh, wait, you weren't trying to be helpful, you were trying to prove that you've got more geek chops than I do. I'll do my best to be impressed, really.

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    26. Re:My First 10... by ninewands · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Why would anybody reinstall an OS at ALL? At work we have an old SparcStation 10 running a license server for a simulaton package our students use ... it's still running Solaris 2.5.1 ...

      Due to crappy power at my apartment, I had the root filesystem get completely fried on my Debian box at home (back before I bought a UPS) ... mke2fs -S recomputed the superblocks, fsck -y cleaned everything up, tune2fs -j built new journals. All I had to do then was move the hopelessly lost and confounded stuff out of /lost+found back to where it belonged and everything just worked. Tedious, yes ... better than reinstalling? DEFINITELY!

    27. Re:My First 10... by darkjedi521 · · Score: 1
      If you're using Windows XP or win98, it's very easy to do.

      Win98: c:\windows\system\runonce -q

      WinXP: Windows XP includes a shutdown command. For instant reboot:
      shutdown -r -t 0

    28. Re:My First 10... by thebes · · Score: 0

      You can slipstream W32Blaster??? Wow, and here I am connecting my machine to the internet like a sucker...damn it!

    29. Re:My First 10... by John+Blake · · Score: 0

      "Windows XP Hotfix - KB824141" Brilliant! lol First Clue for the Clueless: My first installations for Windows (I use it; get over it): Second Clue: but if you're anything like me your machine is formatted at least once a month.

    30. Re:My First 10... by CatKnight · · Score: 5, Informative

      How about the first 10 things you UNinstall from a fresh WinXP install?

      1) Drive Indexing Service
      2) System Restore Service
      3) MSN Explorer
      4) MSN Messenger
      5) Games
      6) ISP Services (who uses prodigy anymore anyway?)
      7) Outlook Express
      8) Internet Explorer
      9) QoS Packet Scheduler Service (I never figured out what this even does...)
      10) Extra services (like WMP auto DRM retrieval, MP3 player auto detector, etc)

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    31. Re:My First 10... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks! That was useful.

    32. Re:My First 10... by JamesTRexx · · Score: 1

      That's all nice and dandy to create an image, but usually after a few months I have so many updates on software (besides the heap of hotfixes from MS of course) that that image is about useless. I did make one when I first installed this laptop, and when I needed it about half a year later the update of everything installed took just as much as a complete reinstall.
      But I don't understand either why one would reinstall every month. I do maybe one very one to one and a half years. Not neccessarily because I have to, but more for kicks to start anew. *l*

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    33. Re:My First 10... by Carnildo · · Score: 1

      On my Linux install? I don't know which ten executables the X11 package installs first.

      Seriously? The first 10 packages I installed when I installed Linux on my system were:
      1) Lynx, so I could browse the internet while waiting for everything to compile
      2) X11
      3) KDE
      4) XMMS
      5) Opera
      6) VNC
      7) dnetc
      8) Basilisk
      9) DosBox
      10) GIMP

      Of course, most of these have a mess of dependant packages that I'm not counting.

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    34. Re:My First 10... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting
      "Oh, wait, that's not an image, it's just a directory tree."

      Please explain how that's not a directory tree.
      "cp /dev/hda [destination]" - not "/mnt".
      It looks to me like it copies the disk image.

      "And will it compress Win32 filesystems properly?"

      I don't see why you're asking about filesystems, since he's operating on the raw device. If you wanted to compress.. "cat /dev/hda | bzip2 -c > [destination]" is what you want. It'll even work with NTFS filesystems. :-)

    35. Re:My First 10... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People, for the love! Just do it once, and make an IMAGE of your clean install, don't do all these reinstalls every time! (Update image as you see fit.) =) (Including those hotfixes.)

    36. Re:My First 10... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Firefox
      Java SDK
      Eclipse
      Quicktime
      Realplayer
      Winamp
      Winzi p
      Azureus
      Nimo Codec Pack
      Macromedia Flash

    37. Re:My First 10... by semifamous · · Score: 5, Informative

      I use a thing I found over at Neowin.net that some of the guys have put together.

      Autopatcher contains all of the current hotfixes and lets you change some other settings. It's great! Check it out if you have to reinstall Windows in the near future... One of the best parts for people who set up multiple puters is the ability to set all of your options as the Default settings before you burn the CD so that you don't have to check and uncheck all of your options on each computer.

      So that's number 1 in my list of the first 10 things I install.

      Then:

      Firefox
      Winamp
      Miranda
      UltraVNC
      StrokeIt (because Mouse Gestures are too cool to be limited to Internet Browsing.)
      Filezilla
      OpenOffice.org
      Media Player Classic
      Slowview

    38. Re:My First 10... by dasmegabyte · · Score: 1

      Word. Or, just don't install every free program and game demothat comes across your doorstep. That way, you're far less likely to corrupt your installation, and won't ever have to reinstall.

      My machine at home has been running the same install of Win2k since January of 2002 when I built it. It's gone through two video card replacements, four hard discs, and a chip swap. I have to rebuild soon, but only because the 30 gig 7200 rpm Maxtor I was running it on is about to S the B.

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    39. Re:My First 10... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey, that's shorter than this one:

      ftp://updates.redhat.com/9/en/os/i386/

    40. Re:My First 10... by PygmySurfer · · Score: 1

      Hum... but can you schedule Ghost to happen once nightly via a batch script, getting the system to reboot first? I'd like regular ghosting of my main partition onto a backup partition, in case the main drive fails. Getting all the registry settings back to how they are now would be a nightmare!

      In this case, you'd probably be better off using RAID and mirroring it. Many motherboards are now shipping with RAID controllers standard, even. If you don't have the requisite hardware it may require a small monetary investment, but probably not much more than that copy of Norton Ghost. This way, however, you would have instant backups available all the time, AND you wouldn't have to reboot every day.

    41. Re:My First 10... by A55M0NKEY · · Score: 1

      And I can't install the patch from microsoft. It fails every time even after a fresh install! I need to depend on AntiVir to keep deleting it ( the blaster worm ). I hate fixing the damn windows partition. Does anyone know if blaster somehow interferes with the patching process? I know I'm infected with something because I always get a svchost32.exe has failed and is quitting message...

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    42. Re:My First 10... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it's not funny because its predictable and unoriginal

    43. Re:My First 10... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      how about cygwin, got to be able to run something useful other than games........

    44. Re:My First 10... by Russellkhan · · Score: 1

      Yep. The plan works best if you split up into at least 2 partitions, one for Windows, one for apps (I prefer at least 4: one more for data, and the Windows swap file set to fixed size and on a partition all by itself) and then re-ghost the relevant partition (usually just the Win partition, but it's good to ghost the apps and data from time to time just to be safe) before and after any major install that might screw things up (MS service packs come to mind, new hardware also). This has saved my butt on at least two occasions personally, and it also allowed me to 'uninstall' some horrible version of IE I tried out once, which otherwise would have allowed no easy way of getting your system back in order.

      This all probably sounds pretty extreme, but it makes Windows feel safer and more workable for me.

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    45. Re:My First 10... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's funny, LAUGH!!

    46. Re:My First 10... by grumpygrodyguy · · Score: 4, Interesting

      "Not sure, maybe the same person who ends up having to format and reinstall his OS at least once a month?"

      My thinking exactly...why would anyone need to re-install their OS monthly???


      Here's why. I don't want to spent $150 on a copy of windoze XP. But I prefer it over my copy of 95/98 because it's easy to install, it's stable, and has true multitasking capabilities. Windows is, has been, and probably always will be the PC gamers OS(As there is still no OS answer for DirectX on Linux).

      Here's where the 1 month re-format comes in:

      XP allows a 30-day "grace period" before you need to register online. So what I do is install my fathers copy of WinXP, use it for 30 days...then I have to go through my monthly ritual of completely reformatting the HD and then reinstalling XP. It sucks, but this is the world of the broke PC gamer today.

      Now you know.

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    47. Re:My First 10... by timmi · · Score: 1

      Well, I've never had that problem because I'm behinsd a Netgear Broadband router.

      Any incoming traffic from a host that I didn't try to connect to will be rejected, simply because the router doesn't know who to send it to.

      On a related note:

      If someons installs XP, and activates the built in firewall, will that close the ports that blaster comes in on? or would they need something stronger like ZoneAlarm or Sygate or Tiny?

    48. Re:My First 10... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why buy when you have all the free linux tools necessary.

      Check out http://www.rajeevnet.com/hacks_hints/os_clone/os_c loning.html

      Just us a bootable Linux CD of your choice when you want to restore the image. Works with Winblows

    49. Re:My First 10... by SCSI-Wan · · Score: 1

      Here is an interesting alternative to Ghost. Lately I've found it quite useful to just use dd to dump a drive image onto a USB drive. Then take it to another computer, boot up with Mandrake Move and dd the image onto the new computer's hard drive.

    50. Re:My First 10... by CJSpil · · Score: 1
      While I am often not in my right mind, some of us are unlucky enough to live in places in the UK where broadband is unavailable! Downloading Windows updates via dialup is not fun and sadly it has got to the stage where there are too many updates of too great a size for us poor broadband deprived people to download!


      Rumour has is that Microsoft produce a CD of updates that can be ordered... one day I may even find how to order it on the mess that is the MS website

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    51. Re:My First 10... by timmi · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Do like I do.

      Stash all the documents on a seperate partition, therefore, reinstalling the software and OS has no effect on the data. then just make a daily backup that can inclute the system registry for good measure.

    52. Re:My First 10... by 13Echo · · Score: 1

      Heh. Don't have such the pleasure of Windows hotfixes. On my machine (After a fresh Slackware install), in no particular order:

      Dropline Gnome
      ATI Radeon Drivers
      Newest ALSA drivers
      MPlayer
      MPlayerplug-in
      Newest version of XMMS or Beep
      K3B
      Prozilla
      RipperX
      A few Linux games, like UT2004, Majesty, or some current LGP beta

      I normally do this every once or twice a year, wiping everything but my home directory, with every Slackware release.

    53. Re:My First 10... by nolife · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Not a substitution for ghost but to add to your very good suggestions..

      Sysprep (use Google, tons if info) used with Ghosting tools allows more flexibility when restoring your computer to something with different hardware or distrubuting your image across more then one computer. Not a silver bullet and does take time to get working correctly across your hardware but worth it for anything more then a few different types of computers using only one master image.

      Another quick tip is slipstreaming. Bascially you can inject service packs and hotfixes into your W2K/XP install media. When you use that media to install the OS from scratch, it is already "up to date" with the included fixes.

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    54. Re:My First 10... by HybridJeff · · Score: 1
      That reminds me of my setup. Ive got an 80Gb HD split to 20/60 or so with the 20 being used to store windows as well as my installed apps etc. The other 60 (plus the 120 I have because I hate deleting all the TV shows and movies I download) are just used for data storage. Mostly media, plus the backup Ghost images and my address books and other data Id like to maintain between restores.

      Even running windows, I only need to restore from backup once evrey couple months (since september its been maybe 3 times). If I could still get my gaming fix under linux maybe Id kick the bucket (ive tried a few times but its never stuck). With ghost backups, windows fucking up is pretty painless.

    55. Re:My First 10... by 13Echo · · Score: 1

      Interesting. Thanks for the Autopatcher link. I don't use Windows anymore, but it will be good for when I am forced to use it for patching machines for my family.

      I've noticed a pattern here. Most users, regardless of the OS, seem to install a few web browsing tools, music tools, video tools, and maybe an office suite. I've installed the same or similar programs to yours, on my Linux machine, almost immediately after reinstallation of Slackware. Exceptions are XMMS in favor of Winamp, MPlayer in favor of Media Player Classic, etc.

    56. Re:My First 10... by jonfelder · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Why don't you just circumvent the activation? A bit of google searching should take care of getting the details. It's not difficult to do, and you're already pirating it anyway. You might as well avoid having to reinstall every 30 days.

    57. Re:My First 10... by Russellkhan · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "Please explain how that's not a directory tree.
      "cp /dev/hda [destination]" - not "/mnt".
      It looks to me like it copies the disk image.
      "

      Yes, it copies the disk image. And it puts it on the next hard drive in exactly the same state as it was on the first - as a tree of directories, with a huge collection of separate files, etc. I should have been more specific. Ghost will take the image and make a single image file, which can be much easier to work with.

      "I don't see why you're asking about filesystems, since he's operating on the raw device. If you wanted to compress.. "cat /dev/hda | bzip2 -c > [destination]" is what you want. It'll even work with NTFS filesystems. :-)"

      No, you don't see at all. Have you ever tried to bzip a raw 40GB NTFS partition with 1GB of data on it? You will get a file that's a good deal larger than 1GB. This is because bz2 doesn't understand NTFS well enough to know which are the empty blocks so it treats all of it as data.

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    58. Re:My First 10... by jonfelder · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Why are you relying on antivirus products to stop the worm?

      Why don't you enable the built in firewall before putting the machine online?

      If you don't like that, download a copy of zonealarm, stick it on removable media and install it before putting the machine online.

    59. Re:My First 10... by jonfelder · · Score: 1

      Built in firewall will work fine.

    60. Re:My First 10... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good sir, you need to learn how to whore the peernets ;)

    61. Re:My First 10... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      WinZip
      Mozilla
      WinAmp
      FlashFXP
      Putty
      WexCrypt
      Kodak camera software
      HP Scanner software
      MS Word
      Adobe Acrobat

    62. Re:My First 10... by bugnuts · · Score: 1

      That's so bizarre. One of the big reasons I use unix is to avoid reinstalling a couple times each year. The sheer time saved from reboots is amazing, too.

      For me, the first things I install in windows (used pretty much only for gaming), after all the patches and drivers and patches to drivers:

      cygwin or putty
      filzip
      adaware
      mozilla
      zonealarm
      direct x 9.0b
      and games.

    63. Re:My First 10... by Gilk180 · · Score: 1

      This is a good idea in theory. Almost all *n*x users do this (or at least the ones with decent administration skills).

      However, I've run into several MS programs that have trouble with things like this. They'll store references to the registry in documents. Save files get put in the program directory. And the list goes on. It also becomes a huge hassle on single user Windows systems with more than one user, since there aren't any permissions.

    64. Re:My First 10... by sharkey · · Score: 1
      Every installation of Windows naturally degrades along a logarithmic curve until it becomes annoying,

      Would you like to take a tour of Windows XP?

      then unbearable,

      Wireless network found.
      Wireless network found.
      Wireless network found.

      then unusable.

      NTLDR NOT FOUND

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    65. Re:My First 10... by jez9999 · · Score: 1

      Any idea where the Windows registry is stored, ie. in what files?

    66. Re:My First 10... by hummassa · · Score: 1

      WinZip
      Mozilla
      WinAmp
      FlashFXP
      Putty
      WexCry pt
      Kodak camera software
      HP Scanner software
      MS Word
      Adobe Acrobat

      I don't use MS Word, I usually install OOo
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    67. Re:My First 10... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      A harddisk is a file, a partition is a file, a file in a filesystem is a file. Unix tools work with files. They read from files, they write to files. If you want a file in a filesystem, that's what cp / dd / dd_rescue will write to. If you want to copy a disk to a disk, they'll do that too. The only thing they will not do is read only the allocated blocks and treat the rest as empty. For that there is special software. However, compressing and splitting full images is not a problem at all, just pipe the datastream through a streamcompressor and a split tool.

    68. Re:My First 10... by Audacious · · Score: 1

      I use a Mac and have Virtual PC on it. So I have MacOS X for BSD. V-PC has Win98se installed. Then I put....

      -Cygwin so I can run Linux under Windows.
      -Apache
      -MySQL
      -Perl
      -PHP
      -Borland's C++ (5.51)
      -IBasic (to write fun, short programs)
      -Vim
      -Various virus stuff
      -Various web browsers (To check my work against)

      (Can you tell I do a lot of programming?)

      The hardest thing I find is keeping all of the different key combinations correct. I find that I keep hitting the escape key in NS and IE to try to stop them. :) )

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    69. Re:My First 10... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Posts like that make me wish you could give scores higher than 5. I'm still laughing.

    70. Re:My First 10... by alatesystems · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Windows is, has been, and probably always will be the PC gamers OS(As there is still no OS answer for DirectX on Linux).
      SDL. Free, free, Open.

      Chris Benard
    71. Re:My First 10... by delus10n0 · · Score: 1

      I hate Joe-Blow users who disable System Restore, and then when their system gets seriously f-ed from spyware/etc. (like your DVD drive not recognizing DVDs anymore) they can't use System Restore to go back to older drivers/configurations. Then they bitch to me because I can't fix the problem. Pfft.

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    72. Re:My First 10... by bmwm3nut · · Score: 3, Insightful

      No, you don't see at all. Have you ever tried to bzip a raw 40GB NTFS partition with 1GB of data on it? You will get a file that's a good deal larger than 1GB. This is because bz2 doesn't understand NTFS well enough to know which are the empty blocks so it treats all of it as data.


      I really don't want my image program to understand the filesystem. What happens if in a future version they decide not to support a certian filesystem, or if I switch operating systems and there's no unimager for my new operating system? Even if it is a bit of a waste of space, I'd rather just have the image program take a snapshot of the raw disk image, completyly agnostic to the filesystem. Then I can restore it however I want because there has been no interpretation of the data, it's just plan old raw data.

    73. Re:My First 10... by after+fallout · · Score: 1

      doesn't os x come with perl?

    74. Re:My First 10... by aldousd666 · · Score: 5, Informative

      two things here. One: the bzipped image is a file, just as 'easy to work with' as a .gho file, and Two: Ghost doesn't make disk images, it only copies files into that monolithic .gho. That's actually one of the primary differences between ghost and dd -- you don't get anything but allocated files with ghost, and for this reason ghost only supports certain filesystem types (though indeed they get most of the big ones, ntfs, fat, fat32, and ext2) but dd doesn't care what it's copying -- filesystem or not -- "Them's all just bits" God forbid that you would try to use a ghost image for forensic analysis, but dd, that's the good stuff for that. If you just want a backup of your working hard drive, ghost or a like alternative 'file' imaging program is probably what you're looking for. If you want the story that the unused portion of a hard drive can tell you, then dd it. Also, to my knowledge, bzip2 doesn't only 'not know enough about ntfs' it simply compresses an input data stream to an output datastream, so it's not supposed to 'know enough about' any filesystem at all, it doesn't know about ext2 or 3 or ReiserFS either...

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    75. Re:My First 10... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since when is FireFox a mail and newsreader client...?

    76. Re:My First 10... by Ifni · · Score: 1

      I agree about 7-Zip, except that it doesn't do multivolume archives - it'll extract RAR multivolume, but cannot create them.

      As long as I'm posting, here goes my top 10

      Windows (after all the patches, of course)

      1. Firefox (or whatever it's name is during the week of the install) (also MyIE is sort of neat)
      2. Latest version of Outlook (usually as part of Office - gotta have email, but GOTTA take the plunge and transition to a better email client...)
      3. Putty
      4. WinAmp
      5. PowerDVD
      6. Yahoo Messenger (it's sad, but I still like it better than GAIM et al...)
      7. WinSCP
      8. Windows Privacy Tools
      9. Adobe Acrobat Reader
      10. BNR2
      11. EverQuest!

      Linux

      Nothing! RedHat (Fedora) comes with all I need. Though the programs I update right away (and use most often) are:

      1. NMAP
      2. Mozilla
      3. Apache
      4. SSH
      5. SSL
      6. PHP
      7. TinyProxy (Essential for bypassing my employer's content filter)

      Ok, so TinyProxy isn't part of the base install. Whatever.

      That's about it. I don't really use Linux as a primary machine, and I rarely use the graphical interface on it. On the Windows box I will also usually install a better editor, though it changes about every install. WinVIM is my current choice. And of course, the latest codecs for QuickTime Alternative and XViD.

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    77. Re:My First 10... by persaud · · Score: 2, Informative

      After drivers and OS patches:

      1. PowerDesk (free file mgr )
      2. ZoneAlarm
      3. Ecco Pro (info mgr, free)
      4. Intellimouse / TweakUI (clicklock, default button)
      5. PerfectDisk (defrag, commercial)
      6. RegSafe (registry backup, commercial)
      7. RoboForm (password mgr, free)
      8. SurfSaver (web page archive & search, free)
      9. ToolsWorks (mouse/kb macros, commercial)
      10. SSH client

    78. Re:My First 10... by bazmail · · Score: 1

      After Hotfixes, Firefox Delphi 7 Apache2 MySQL Macromedia Dreamweaver Macromedia Fireworks GetRight Becky Internet Mail CDex Bukster :)

    79. Re:My First 10... by SkaterGeek · · Score: 1, Interesting

      When did the origional poster say that he *Only* uses windows? He did mention that he *Does* use windows. Their is a large difference. I *DO* use windows, but I *Also* use linux.

    80. Re:My First 10... by jpu8086 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Ummm, do tell us how you go about uninstalling your item #8: Internet Explorer?

      Unless obviously you are confusing deleting the icon with uninstalling or changing the default browser associations, I was under the impression that you can't uninstall this monstrocity.

      Have things changed in the past few months?

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    81. Re:My First 10... by Goldberg's+Pants · · Score: 1

      Sadly there are older software titles (Grand Prix Legends springs to mind) that REQUIRES drive indexing to work properly under XP if on an NTFS drive. (Luckily I have a FAT32 partition for those naughty little bits of software that don't play nice with NTFS).

    82. Re:My First 10... by SnappleMaster · · Score: 1, Interesting

      I have to say, reformating to avoid paying for the OS it is the lamest thing I've heard all week.

      Your time has GOT to be worth more than that to you. Get a job, maybe, or just stop using XP.

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    83. Re:My First 10... by mrwonton · · Score: 1
      Since when is FireFox a mail and newsreader client...?

      The same time Visual Studio .NET 2003 became the absolute best developer tool.

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    84. Re:My First 10... by sahala · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I'm probably naiive, but is there a major reason to disable the Drive Indexing Service?

    85. Re:My First 10... by bhtooefr · · Score: 1

      (Windows install, you said?)

      Opera (browser, e-mail, Java SDK included)
      Acrobat Reader 5.10 (sitting on my flash drive)
      OO.o
      Unzipper (sometimes WZ, sometimes 7Z)
      PuTTY

      That's about all of the critical things...

    86. Re:My First 10... by lga · · Score: 4, Informative

      You need to get yourself a copy of Windows XP 120 day evaluation edition. It's free to order from the website and you can activate it and update it online as it's a legitimate version with its own product key. It is licensed for 10 computers, so I figure I can install it 10 times in a row on the same computer instead!

      If you're in the UK you can order just about every microsoft product from free from this page. I can't find the US link, but search for windows xp evaluation edition.

      While you're there, order yourself a security update CD, it saves a hell of a lot of downloading. (I don't know why MS isn't forced to post these to every windows user.)

    87. Re:My First 10... by omicronish · · Score: 4, Informative

      How about the first 10 things you UNinstall from a fresh WinXP install?

      2) System Restore Service

      I used to wonder what System Restore does, but apparently it saves backups of your registry on your hard drive when various things happen, such as installing a hotfix or Windows Installer package. This has saved me a couple times when the registry got corrupted; a simple boot into recovery mode and copying over the HKLM registry file fixed things (of course, the problem of corruption still remains). Keep that in mind when you disable System Restore.

    88. Re:My First 10... by homer_ca · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Pretty similar except I install Real Alternative and Quicktime Alternative which use Media Player Classic:

      Firefox
      Winamp
      Real Alternative
      Quicktime Alternative
      Xvid and/or Divx codec
      Proxomitron (ad and popup blocking proxy)
      Nero
      antivirus (no preference, I've used Norton, PC-Cillin, F-Prot, and Mcafee)
      unzip program (no preference, either 7-zip, Powerarchiver, WinRAR or Winzip)
      instant messengers (AIM and Yahoo; I know it's two apps but I'll count them on the same line)

      2nd tier stuff (these just miss the first 10):
      Bittorrent app (SimpleBT and G3Torrent are both good)
      Flash, Shockwave, Java for Mozilla
      Nero
      Cdex
      Thunderbird
      if it's a friend's or parent's computer:
      Spybot Search and Destroy
      Spywareblaster

    89. Re:My First 10... by lrichardson · · Score: 1
      Actually, I'm gonna give some kudos to IBM ... recently had to reformat the wife's Thinkpad ... quite simply, one of the easiest operations ever. Walks you through the format and reinstall (W2K). No CD required.

      After that; the wireless drivers, Opera, Norton Internet Security, The Bat, Agent, Corel Suite, Adobe Suite, the pda sh*#, and Grapevine.

    90. Re:My First 10... by standing_still · · Score: 1, Informative

      I reinstall Win2k approx. every 3 to 4 months. I just find that the thing starts to slow down after a while of using -- which is odd because I install all the software I need within two days, and it seems faster for for awhile.

      What do I install after a fresh Windows 2k install.

      i. Service Packs
      ii. IE 6 SP1
      iii. Patches, Patches, Patches, more patches
      iv. Disable Windows Services (at boot up my system uses 40.3MB of RAM).
      v. WinAmp 2.9 - version 5 stinks
      vi. Mozilla Latest Build
      vii. OpenOffice
      viii. SecureCRT
      ix. YahooPops! So that I can use Mozilla Mail to check My Yahoo Mail
      x. WS-FTP LE to transfer files between my primary Linux Machine.

      The only other appz I use are Kazaa Lite, Acdsee4, Nero 6

    91. Re:My First 10... by grumpygrodyguy · · Score: 1

      Your time has GOT to be worth more than that to you.

      I'm unemployed programmer, one thing I have plenty of is time.

      Get a job, maybe

      read above.

      or just stop using XP.

      reread my orignal post as to why XP is really my only option.

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    92. Re:My First 10... by captainktainer · · Score: 1

      It isn't sufficient to run Halo, Diablo II, Alpha Centauri (which works off something else entirely on Linux), Baldur's Gate II, or anything else not developed specifically for it. As such, it doesn't help.

    93. Re:My First 10... by Frogbert · · Score: 4, Informative

      It's a huge index of all your files designed to help you search them faster, how often do you need find? Can you wait an extra 15 seconds or is it worth a couple of hundred meg of space on your disk?

    94. Re:My First 10... by KrispyKringle · · Score: 1

      So in other words, its the same as the locate database on Unix systems. Which I and most other Unix users leave on. I mean, seriously, how much is a few more megs?

    95. Re:My First 10... by KrispyKringle · · Score: 1

      QoS is a Quality of Service. Presumably the Windows service just allows QoS traffic shaping.

    96. Re:My First 10... by tricops · · Score: 1

      Of course, just like any other service that runs in the background, there is a performance cost to leaving something running and indexing files all the time. For a server it might be useful, but for a home gaming machine for example - why bother? It's just another thing to lag your machine while you're trying to do something.

      Just personal preference really...

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    97. Re:My First 10... by nocomment · · Score: 1

      even better
      dd if=/dev/hda | ssh user@remotehost 'cd /backupdirectory && dd of=backup.img' YOu can use ssh keys and cron to make it automatic. :-)

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    98. Re:My First 10... by TheQuantumShift · · Score: 1

      And I hate Haji-Blow Techs who solve every problem with a "rollback" that fucks things up worse than the user ever could on their own. Like they were sitting around whatever they use in India for watercoolers one day and thought "gee, I sure do miss blaster, lets whip out system restore"... Rollbacks, and restores are just like Windows OS Upgrades. You should never ever do it. Ever. If it's bad eneough to kill a drive, you really think a restore will fix it completely? Of course I do envy the guilty pleasure of running a user through "sfc /scannow", and on older machines, "lets click on repair IE"... I know it does absolutely jack, but it sure looks like I did somethin'...

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    99. Re:My First 10... by falsified · · Score: 1

      Firefox w/Java Winamp Soulseek OOo AIM Miranda (ICQ super-lite) Kazaa Lite mIRC (I know, lame) Yahoo Messenger Real Alternative

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    100. Re:My First 10... by Zzootnik · · Score: 1

      You poor soul... ;-)
      Let me introduce you to my friend in the windows world when I need to go there...

      www.litepc.com/

      Formerly known as 98Lite. It Removes what you don't want to install, before its installed. At least it did when it was 98lite. I haven't checked out the more recent versions for win2000 and winxp, but they look pretty good too.

      That's my vote for MVP on Windows...

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    101. Re:My First 10... by mattyrobinson69 · · Score: 1

      wouldn't "| tar vjxf " give better compression than "| bzip2" ?

    102. Re:My First 10... by csirac · · Score: 2, Informative

      ghost.exe -ir

      ... is all you need to do sector-sector copy.

    103. Re:My First 10... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Alpha Centauri uses SDL on Linux.

    104. Re:My First 10... by mattyrobinson69 · · Score: 1

      on windows 98 it would be a variation of:

      rundll32 user,exitwindows

      im not on windows rite now or i'd work it out.

    105. Re:My First 10... by ManxStef · · Score: 3, Funny

      Heh, that reminded me of Mark Pilgrim's amusing How to install XP in 5 hours or less rant :)

    106. Re:My First 10... by jaylene_slide · · Score: 2, Informative



      Wow, that was the second on topic-post... :-)

      For myself, running OS X (Panther), it's:

      1. LaunchBar
      2. Default Folder
      3. ASM
      4. LiteSwitch (I use Adobe apps and don't want to learn new selection-tool-switching habits)
      5. FruitMenu
      6. WindowShade
      7. Little Snitch
      8. Net Monitor
      9. Eudora
      10. Mozilla


      slide

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    107. Re:My First 10... by j-pimp · · Score: 1

      Even if it is a bit of a waste of space, I'd rather just have the image program take a snapshot of the raw disk image, completly agnostic to the filesystem.
      Several problems with that argument. First of all, if your ghosting an image to CD, your just going to give that CD a boot floppy image of norton ghost. The version that reasd your partition info.
      Now in theory your old software might not run on newer hardware, especially DRMified hardware. However, I doubt DRM hardware would be norton ghost friendly. Another problem is ghost isn't open source. If ghost were opensource, their would be a series of command line toold that made use of their special filesystem compression algorithims. Also, you could recompile said tools on whatever machine you have at the moment. However, due to afformentioned reason thats only a negligible issue.

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    108. Re:My First 10... by A55M0NKEY · · Score: 1

      I need to buy one - got win 2000 - bummer.

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    109. Re:My First 10... by jaylene_slide · · Score: 1



      With all due respect, surely that was a joke...



      slide

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    110. Re:My First 10... by cubic6 · · Score: 1

      My list, if anyone cares:

      1) Java SDK
      2) jEdit
      3) Mozilla
      4) Winamp/XMMS
      5) Perl (ActiveState if on Windows)
      6) Python (Same as above)
      7) PuTTY/ssh
      8) Media Player Classic/xine
      9) MSN Messenger/amsn
      10) Steam for Counterstrike/same with Wine

      (Linux versions after /)

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    111. Re:My First 10... by jonfelder · · Score: 1

      Many of them are free including the basic one from zonealarm. You don't have to buy anything.

    112. Re:My First 10... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      win 2000 pro!! Enough said.

    113. Re:My First 10... by rTough · · Score: 1

      Why would anybody reinstall an OS at ALL?

      You forgot some of us. I went over to GNU/Linux (debian unstable) 10 month ago. And I'm dying to reinstall my os.. Not that I need to, it's just that I'm used to doing that once every six months from my days of windows =)

    114. Re:My First 10... by siriuskase · · Score: 1

      Does it run all the time? Then it isn't like locate which only runs periodically. Unless I don't understand locate. I used to use locate in a script to find all of a certain type file, but it missed my newer files, so I switched to find. Find is slower, but doesn't rely on an index.

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    115. Re:My First 10... by xSauronx · · Score: 1
      skip 2 games and stop being a software pirate; theres no excuse in your case....youd rather spend your money on games instead of a legitimate copy of an operating system.

      you wouldnt happen to be the kind of person who would prefer to buy say...a nice surround sound system or elevision instead of making a house payment would you?

      oh..and im a gamer on a budget, and yes, i did pay for the OS, at the cost of a couple of games I wanted. Btw, you dont have to spend $150 on Windows...you can get it for just under $100; again, the price of a couple of new games. Dont justify you pirating software because you got your priorities wrong when you spent your money.

      Dont buy toys and say "i cant make my house payment"; don't buy games and hardware and think "ohhhh windows is too expensive" is a justifiable reason to steal it.

      How about, instead of encouraging someone to pirate software (nevermind what you think of windows and microsoft, nevermind the prices, encouraging theft is encouraging theft) we point him to some FREE games?

      Like this list Now, no more excuses. Pay for windowsAND play your games, or switch to a free OS (and still play free games) and stop making excuses for yourself.

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    116. Re:My First 10... by tricops · · Score: 1

      My guess would be locate's index is updated occasionally by a cronjob? I haven't really looked into it. For windows it's a service which runs randomly in the background. I don't know if it's possible to limit it to running at a certain time. It's certainly not the type of thing you'd want to randomly start running while you're playing a CPU/whatever intensive game.

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    117. Re:My First 10... by d34thm0nk3y · · Score: 1

      cheerist! I can't even get video to loop properly with Pygame which is based on SDL. I hardly think it is competition for directX. I would love to be proven wrong BTW, I REALLY don't want to re-implement in Java, but when the Pygame developers themselves shrug and say there is nothing to do SDL just sucks for video what can you do?

    118. Re:My First 10... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're a fucking idiot if you think SDL and DirectX are comparable at all.

    119. Re:My First 10... by KrispyKringle · · Score: 1

      Locate does indeed run by a cronjob. I have no idea what the Windows one does, but I doubt it's truly random ;)

    120. Re:My First 10... by buck_wild · · Score: 1

      How about Win2k? Good enough for gaming, and none of those pesky XP-type issues like calling home to MS.

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    121. Re:My First 10... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All I have to say: Check out trinsic.org It'll save you many hours a month.

    122. Re:My First 10... by slaker · · Score: 1

      None of the above, actually. The (any software-) firewall isn't active at boot time, so there's a brief period of time when your PC have its network interface running without any protection whatsoever.

      Supposedly this will be fixed in XPSP2.

      A $30 Linksys NAT doohickey will keep the evil worm away, though.

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    123. Re:My First 10... by tricops · · Score: 2, Informative

      Well, fair enough. It likely has *some* sort of schedule. Unfortunately, it always seems to be using CPU time, and from the description from this site and most other sites I have seen, it sounds pretty close to effectively random :P. It's not like you can specifically choose when to run it anyway....

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    124. Re:My First 10... by Kryxan · · Score: 1

      optionally you could create a custom WinXP CD to install all the hotfixes (http://greenmachine.msfnhosting.com/XPCREATE/), and install all your favorite programs. you can do this all with an unattended install (http://unattended.msfn.org/), so you dont have to sit there and click buttons and monitor the installation for when it requires input. while your at it, why not build a custom version of windows that can boot off of a CD so you can diagnose and fix many windows problem even if you cant boot windows on your hard drive (http://www.nu2.nu/pebuilder/).

    125. Re:My First 10... by drsmithy · · Score: 1
      XP allows a 30-day "grace period" before you need to register online. So what I do is install my fathers copy of WinXP, use it for 30 days...then I have to go through my monthly ritual of completely reformatting the HD and then reinstalling XP. It sucks, but this is the world of the broke PC gamer today.

      Given that you're already breaking the law, you may as well just go the whole hog and grab either a warezed Corporate version or a no-activation crack.

    126. Re:My First 10... by Hooded+One · · Score: 1

      Part of it is in system.dat and some is also in user.dat.

    127. Re:My First 10... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't be poor souling me, sir! =)

      I am no longer a regular windows user [either]. I havent kept abreast with the latest "features" and 3rd party utilties of Windows.

      But, thank you nonetheless. I can probably help a few of my friends.

    128. Re:My First 10... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Miranda the Functional Language?
      Great!

    129. Re:My First 10... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      HEY QOS IS GREAT!

    130. Re:My First 10... by obeythefist · · Score: 2, Interesting

      How did you manage to completely remove Internet Explorer from Windows? There are millions and millions of IT professionals who would love to know what you can do that they haven't figured out.

      I can see why you would want to uninstall games from Windows, if you're not really interested in gaming. But seriously, the only reason I run Windows is because I need that DirectX for all the sweet sweet games!

      The QOS packet scheduler service, much like MSIE, can't be removed, but it can (and should) be disabled on any network connections you have. Realistically it won't make a noticeable difference unless you intend to run your local network connection at 100% 24/7/365. What it does is reserve up to 20% of bandwidth (in reality never this much) for network monitoring and quality (error) control, basically prioritising traffic between Windows hosts to ensure smooth network management no matter what the network conditions are like.

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    131. Re:My First 10... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Firefox, Divx, Win XP SP1, gaim, itunes, zone alarm, catalyst drivers, norton antivirus, Bullet proof ftp, dc ++

    132. Re:My First 10... by technos · · Score: 1

      Might want to rework that..

      Myself, I install EverCrack first, so I can start up the patcher and install items 2-10 while it does its thing pulling down three expansions and five years of bugfixes.

      Figure it cuts a few hours off the time I'm not feeding my addiction.

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    133. Re:My First 10... by Gldm · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It's true. You can use dd to image a disk from a RAID set to another disk that isn't identical, and the controller will still believe it's part of the array and work. I know cause I had to do it once to recover 150GB of data. =)

      Tried ghost, forget about it.

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    134. Re:My First 10... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nice to see some other humorless clods could mod this "+1 Insightful"...

    135. Re:My First 10... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are the one that is predictable and unoriginal.

    136. Re:My First 10... by glk572 · · Score: 1

      my first 10

      Normal PC (windows)

      Adobe Phothshop
      Kpt Effects
      Blender
      Adobe Illustrator
      Opera (bork)
      Norton Internet Security
      Autocad 2002
      Winrar
      Adobe Acrobat
      tweak UI

      I also strip down windows, getting rid of all the visual effects, preventing MSN Messenger from running, kill fast user switching, and getting back the old login. Not to mention a shitload of patches.

      Just graphics/web(and mail)/newsgroups

      Normal PC (Linux)

      Mplayer
      Window Maker
      OO.org
      Firefox (better than opera 6, but not 7)
      Xspringies (I'm Hooked, relaxing)
      Other than that I can get just about evryting in my install, fun system to play with, except that linux dosen't seem to agree with my laptop.

      Server/Home theatre computer

      Cerberus ftp
      My HTPC
      Got TV?
      Gordian Knot Codec Pack
      Win DVD (for the codec)
      Windows Media 9 (I know, I know)
      TV Listings automate script
      Project 64
      SNES 9x
      Remote Wonder Driver

      This system is mostley a Home Theatre Pc, I use it for watching tv shows that I download, or record myself with got tv. Works really well, MyHTPC is a little hard to set up, but once it's all going it works great with the remote wonder. As a server it runs my printers, and holds 3 160 gb hard disks, as well as a 40 gig disk for boot/software. I'm thinking of adding more disks, but I'm about to run out of space in the case and I dobut that my power supply can run any more disks. No cd, keyboard or mouse, just like a super tivo that can play video games.

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    137. Re:My First 10... by XKryptonite · · Score: 1

      Just download a quick crack or serial for Zone Alarm on win2k, thats what i did (i mean i didnt do, and you shouldnt do)

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    138. Re:My First 10... by killjoe · · Score: 1

      Beware that sysprep is not a panacea. Your restore will fail if the hardware is different enough.

      Also sysprep is no longer supported by MS.

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      evil is as evil does
    139. Re:My First 10... by dwater · · Score: 1

      > The hardest thing I find is keeping all of the
      > different key combinations correct. I find that I
      > keep hitting the escape key in NS and IE to try to
      > stop them. :) )

      Well, if you used Mozilla/Firefox, then hitting the escape key would indeed stop them. The '/' key works for searching too (though not *very* compatible, it does help).

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    140. Re:My First 10... by Xilo · · Score: 1

      I don't mean to pull a "Do this because I'm self-righteous and the way I do things should be the law", but I run a slew of XP Pro boxes and've never had anything but the best time with avoiding Uncle Mic. It's kinda curious, though - it seems to me that there's only one product key for it. I lost the key I had, then searched online and the only one I could find _anywhere_ was identical to mine.

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    141. Re:My First 10... by Eminor · · Score: 1

      9) QoS Packet Scheduler Service (I never figured out what this even does...)

      QoS: Quality of Service.

      Without QoS, uploading may negatively affect your download rate because ACKs were not sent back quick enough. QoS fixes that by prioritizing ACKs.

    142. Re:My First 10... by aztracker1 · · Score: 1

      actually looks a lot like my list, however I use MS-Office 2k, and don't go too far without installing crimson


      trillian is also near the top.

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    143. Re:My First 10... by Audacious · · Score: 1

      If you install it. I install it on all of the OSs because different people want different OSs to run different programs. They want to be assured that a program I write under one OS will work under another. I know - people who program groan because Perl, PHP, Apache, and MySQL all work on the different platforms. But John and Jane Doe out there go "But it's a Mac." or "But it's Windows. How can a program written for the Mac run on my OS?"

      So I just go - "Let me show you."

      --
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    144. Re:My First 10... by Audacious · · Score: 1

      To tack onto my own post....

      I actually am an OS hog. I also have installed the Apple ][+ emulator, Apple //e emulator, Bernie to the Rescue (//gs emulator), CP/M emulator, MAME, the Atari emulator, and the Amiga emulator. They are all quite small compared to any of the current day OSs and fit very well onto the MacOS v9.2.1 partition. When I used my Apple ][+, //e, and //gs I had well over 500 diskettes with software on them which I have converted many of them over to disk images which can be run in any of the Apple emulators. My original machines are still in the closet packed away just in case any legal beagle decides to crash my pad (so I can prove I have the original ROMs). All of the original disks are still here as well (but I got rid of my duplicates). About two shelves of them mixed in with my CP/M, Atari, and Amiga software. :-)

      (I guess I am more of a pack rat than I thought because I also still have the original Apple books on DOS, ProDOS, et al as well as many of the Beagle Bros. books/pamphlets/etc.... Some day I might give it all away to the Smithsonian [or the trash dump] for posterity or as oddities.)

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    145. Re:My First 10... by Cap'n+Steve · · Score: 1

      Why don't you enable the built in firewall before putting the machine online? Because the built-in firewall blows? Just patch the exploit before going online. Duh.

    146. Re:My First 10... by DrunkEvilPenguin · · Score: 0

      I live in a college environment (where it takes about 5 minutes to get infected - I've seen computers infected in less than a minute), and we seem to manage fairly well. Whenever a computer gets formatted, we unplug it from the network first, and we have a cd with all necessary windows patches, antivirus program, etc. All of this happens before people are ever plugged in to the network. Out of about 50 room connections I've done there hasn't been one infection of blaster since we started this. (On my personal computer I use DCombobulator (http://grc.com/dcom/) first, and then get the latest patches.

    147. Re:My First 10... by Jace+of+Fuse! · · Score: 1

      My thinking exactly...why would anyone need to re-install their OS monthly???

      Or ever?

      ONe of my machines has UPGRADED, but never been reformated. It started out as Win98, then ME, then WinXP. Never once without a reinstall. Another one of my machines has has FreeBSD for 3 years and has never needed a reinstall.

      My most recent machine was just powered up for the first time the other day, and oddly enough, I had to put Windows XP on it. I suspect it will never need a reinstall.

      I guess the point I'm trying to make is that if you know what you are doing, major problems never crop up, and when they do you can fix them without resorting to a reformat. This applies to both Windows and *nix.

      Oh, and yes, I know people who have had to reformat their Linux boxes a few times... but you will all instantly blame the user for THAT, won't you? It's no different, really.

      Still, on to get back on topic.

      Hotfixes, DX, and other patches.
      Trillian Pro
      Avg (Registered)
      Zone Alarm Pro
      AdAware
      ACDSee Classic
      WinAMP
      Skype
      Games (group them all together)
      Emulators (same here)

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    148. Re:My First 10... by maxwell+demon · · Score: 1

      Ah, and DirectX is sufficient for anything not developed specifically for it? How that? Does it an analysis of the binary, followed of an automatic rewrite to use DirectX?

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    149. Re:My First 10... by Finite9 · · Score: 1

      Or, for the paranoid... Disconnect broadband cable. Full format hard disk with NTFS. Install Windows XP. Secure admin account. Stop unneccessary services. Install Norton Internet Security 2004. Reconnect broadband connection. Install all critical patches, plus all recommended patches that I require. Update Norton Internet Security to latest definitions etc. Completely remove, as much as it possible, IE6, Outlook Express and Media Player. OpenOffice 1.1.1 Firefox nightly build 0.8.0+ Thunderbird weekly build 0.6a 7-Zip FileZilla WinAmp 5.03 Scite 1.59 PGP 8.0.2 (WinPT is so buggy it's unusable) Adobe Acrobat Reader 6.0 Adobe Photoshop CS (Gimp is much less user-friendly in my opinion)

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    150. Re:My First 10... by Blkdeath · · Score: 1
      1. LaunchBar
      2. Default Folder
      3. ASM
      4. LiteSwitch (I use Adobe apps and don't want to learn new selection-tool-switching habits)
      5. FruitMenu
      6. WindowShade
      7. Little Snitch
      8. Net Monitor
      9. Eudora
      10. Mozilla

      For the record;

      1. Ordered
      2. Lists
      3. Work
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    151. Re:My First 10... by ms_drives_me_mad · · Score: 0

      Click help-> is this copy of windows legal?

    152. Re:My First 10... by Reteo+Varala · · Score: 5, Informative

      cp? *shrug* dd? Meh.

      cat's my tool of choice.

      cat /dev/hda | bzip2 > Image.bz2

      Image-based Backup and compression, without the hefty expense. Add in gpg to that chain, and it's encrypted, too.

      __

      Okay, back on-topic.

      1: OpenOffice.org
      http://www.openoffice.org

      2: Winamp
      http://www.winamp.com

      3: Mozilla
      http://www.mozilla.org

      4: SpywareBlaster and SpywareGuard
      http://www.javacoolsoftware.com

      5: Spybot Search & Destroy
      http://www.safer-networking.org

      6: Trillian
      http://www.trillian.cc

      7: 7-Zip
      http://www.7-zip.org

      8: Really Slick Screensavers
      http://www.reallyslick.com

      9: X-Setup
      http://www.xteq.com

      10: BigFix
      http://www.bigfix.com

      I know number 4 is two proggies, but I figure that they're closely related enough to be considered one solution.

    153. Re:My First 10... by KshGoddess · · Score: 1

      Windows:

      1. Firefox
      2. Thunderbird
      3. WinVi
      4. WinSCP
      5. Y! Messenger
      6. iTunes
      7. Acrobat Reader

      My unix boxes usually have what I need for them; I don't tend to need to add extra crap to them to make them usable. :D

      --
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    154. Re:My First 10... by dublin · · Score: 2, Informative

      Here are the ones I find essential (I use Windows unapologetically on the desktop - it makes my life much easier):

      1) Mozilla, for both Browsing and Mail - and all the stuff Mozilla is going to want:
      a) Sun JRE
      b) Adobe Acrobat Reader
      c) Macromedia Flash (disgusting, but needed too often to ignore...)
      d) Piro's Tabbed Browser Extensions

      2) Antivirus and antispyware programs, plus firewall if the machine will have a wireless network connection.

      3) Palm Desktop (worth having as a local PIM even if you don't have a Palm device, but indispensible if you do: there is no alternative that's anywhere near as good...)

      4) SpaceMonger (Absolutely essential once version 2 is out soon...)

      5) PuTTY (excellent SSH client)

      6) Vim (*When* are they going to let this thing deal with spaces in pathnames and install into "Program Files" like it should??)

      7) CyberKit (nslookup, traceroute, NTP, and a few other essentials for Windows.)

      8) VNC (I'm trying out UltraVNC now, and I like it so far - the built-in file transfer is handy, although I understand Tridia's added that to their new version, too...)

      9) Microsoft Office (Still indispensible, and there is no adeqately capable alternative quite yet...)

      10) Unix toolkit: Cygwin (big, piggy, buggy shell, but more complete) or U/Win (cleaner, more stable, far better shell, but missing some utility pieces.) Usually I install both. I'm not much of a programmer, but the Unix text utilities and awk are vital for *so* many things...

      11) SysInternals Tools, especially Filemon and Process Explorer

      12) Unison (File Synchronizer, works between both Windows and Linux, so it's especially handy for syncronizing between a laptop (Windows, of course) and a Samba Server.)

      13) Visio (*Definitely* no alternative, free or pay, open or closed source...)

      14) HTMLDOC (HTML to PDF filter)

      15) Copy of Knoppix-STD CD to boot into for all those other tools you need every once in a while.

      16) And last, but definitely not least (because it will save your sanity from assualt by stupid algebraic calculators), the Excalibur32 RPN Calculator.

      --
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    155. Re:My First 10... by asb · · Score: 1

      If you don't like that, download a copy of zonealarm, stick it on removable media and install it before putting the machine online.

      Let me get this straight: download before putting machine online?

      --
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    156. Re:My First 10... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      6) Vim (*When* are they going to let this thing deal with spaces in pathnames and install into "Program Files" like it should??)

      Vim has the ability to install in spaced paths. Are you choosing the custom install? I just reinstalled XP two days ago, and it easily installed in Program Files.

    157. Re:My First 10... by Bert64 · · Score: 1

      Bzip2 doesnt understand the filesystem atall, it's not meant to.. However if all those empty blocks are zeroed (as opposed to containing deleted data thats not yet overwritten) then it will compress the 39gig of zeroes down to about 2kb.

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    158. Re:My First 10... by Bert64 · · Score: 1

      Ghost is also INCREDIBLY buggy... some things include..
      When restoring to an identical disk, it sometimes tries to resize partitions, even when restoring to the SAME DISK.. this resulted in my swap partition being shortened by 7mb (ghost couldnt understand any of the other partitions, using reiserfs) and the 7mb of unpartitioned space being left at the end of the drive..
      Due to the partition table being different, the bootloader (LILO) no longer works and has to be reinstalled.
      If ghost encounters partitions using filesystems it doesnt recognise, it does the same as dd, but on a partition by partition basis.. if it has no partitions that it can resize then you will LOSE DATA.
      ghost IGNORES any partitions with type 82 (linux swap) if you set your partition id to this type linux still works perfectly but ghost will completely ignore the partitions.
      Ghost operates on top of dos, and therefore uses very slow dos-based disk and/or network drivers.
      And all these problems manifested themselves when trying to backup a linux machine, ghost *CLAIMS* to support linux.. i would hate to try this with an unsupported os like freebsd or beos.

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    159. Re:My First 10... by Bert64 · · Score: 1

      True, ghost is more comparable to tar than dd.

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    160. Re:My First 10... by Bert64 · · Score: 1

      Well, if you lost yours then how do you know the one you found was identical to the one you lost?

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    161. Re:My First 10... by lucas+teh+geek · · Score: 0

      hahaha.. thats hilarious! wait, no! its not! what is it with these mods?

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    162. Re:My First 10... by Dunkirk · · Score: 1

      Well, it's certainly better than reinstalling DEBIAN, anyway...

      --
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    163. Re:My First 10... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      cat's my tool of choice.

      cat /dev/hda | bzip2 > Image.bz2


      You're just in love with cat or something?
      bzip2 /dev/hda > Image.bz2

    164. Re:My First 10... by Dogtanian_UK · · Score: 1

      Problem is, it can also keep restoring copies of spyware disguising itself as system files, making it a neverending loop of finding and removing the same bit of spyware. I'm sure it has its uses but can be a real pain at times.

    165. Re:My First 10... by Syrrh · · Score: 1

      I have little sympathy for someone so utterly foolish that they don't install any kind of firewall. XP does INCLUDE one, you know.

      Even if you magically evade the Nachi and Blaster Fairy, you're just going to get fucked up in a more subtle manner later when other vulnerabilities are uncovered.

    166. Re:My First 10... by Space_Nerd · · Score: 1

      After you setup all of the NEEDED apps, you should always do a snapshot of your system and save it elsewhere (think norton ghost), that way, if you have problem with your box, reinstalling it can be a breeze.

      --
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    167. Re:My First 10... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      How did you manage to completely remove Internet Explorer from Windows? There are millions and millions of IT professionals who would love to know what you can do that they haven't figured out.

      Enjoy!

    168. Re:My First 10... by 13Echo · · Score: 1

      It's not necessary, but it's just a practice I have, since I like to start fresh every once in a while. Generally, upgradpkg will work just fine to keep Slackware up-to-date, but I like to experiment with installing and removing software, and it's a just-in-case thing to keep things clean.

    169. Re:My First 10... by inline_four · · Score: 1

      1. Proper version of IE.
      2. Java SDK.
      3. Bean Shell (http://www.beanshell.org).
      4. Active Perl (http://www.activestate.com/).
      5. My own Perl and Java utilities.
      6. A licensed TextPad install (http://www.textpad.com).
      7. Cygwin (http://www.cygwin.com).
      8. Yahoo! messenger.
      9. Windows Media Player (http://www.microsoft.com).
      10. Real player (http://www.real.com).

      --
      Alexey
    170. Re:My First 10... by erroneous · · Score: 1

      Damned if you bundle, damned if you don't.

      --
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    171. Re:My First 10... by sahala · · Score: 1
      A couple hundred meg on a 60 gig hard drive isn't so much is it? I don't typically search through files, but I imagine others might.

      I probably don't take advantage of indexing on XP, but I know that the indexing that goes on in IDEs (Eclipse, IDEA) is a huge help. "Summoning" files is so much nicer than navigating a source tree.

    172. Re:My First 10... by User61 · · Score: 1
      Finally, a mention of Miranda! Very cool multi-protocol IM for windows.

      My first ten:
      1. Symantec AntiVirus Corporate Edition
      2. Symantec Norton Internet Security
      3. 7-zip
      4. Miranda
      5. The Bat!
      6. Mozilla
      7. EmEditor
      8. MagicTweak
      9. Ad Muncher (Never surf without it.)
      10. foobar2000
    173. Re:My First 10... by jonfelder · · Score: 1

      Hence the second part of my post:

      If you don't like that, download a copy of zonealarm, stick it on removable media and install it before putting the machine online.

      Patching before you go online means that you must have the patches laying around somewhere. Not to mention it leaves you vulnerable to any patches recently released that you do not have. Since most people download them from Windows Update they do not keep copies of the patches laying around.

      You don't think it makes more sense to enable to XP firewall, patch, and then use whatever firewall you want?

      It doesn't matter how much the built in firewall sucks, it will keep you from getting rooted while you install the patches.

      Even better, would be to download the firewall you want ahead of time and use that (but that takes more forethought). Zonealarm in my post can be replaced with whatever windows firewall you/they prefer.

    174. Re:My First 10... by Xilo · · Score: 1

      It's not hard to recognize..
      I have the win98SE key memorized from using it so much, I mean.. *shrug*

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    175. Re:My First 10... by jonfelder · · Score: 1

      Um no...you see, while online you download a copy of zonealarm. You put it on removable media (notice that you quoted part of my post that included using the removable media, this is really key to the whole plan) and then you install it from the removable media after reinstalling the OS, but before putting the machine online.

      This presumes that:

      1. Your machine is able to download something prior to reinstall, or that you have another machine that is online or a friend with a machine that is online or access to another machine that is online (say a library machine or work machine), or that you use another OS temporarily to get your machine online (cd based linux distro or reinstall windows download and then reinstall again), or that you downloaded the firewall ahead of time prior to needing to reinstall.

      2. You have removable media available that has enough capacity to hold the firewall software.

      3. You are able to write to your available removable media.

      4. Your machine is able to read the removable media after reinstall.

      5. Your removable media is not corrupt.

      6. You know what removable media is.

      The above conditions in most cases are quite easy to meet. If they cannot be met, then you enable the built in XP firewall as was also mentioned in my post.

      The flow chart below illustrates the point as well:

      able to download firewall?
      | |
      |yes |no
      | |
      \/ no \/
      able to put ------> reinstall os, enable built in
      firewall on firewall, then put machine
      removable online and patch
      media?
      | yes reinstall os, install
      +-------------->firewall from removable
      media, then put machine
      online and patch

    176. Re:My First 10... by Myself · · Score: 1

      Am I the only one who finds it obnoxious that a gig or two of drive space is locked up in the restore partition, only to be used during such a reinstall? It could just as easily be kept on CD, returning the drive space to active use.

      Speaking of which, when is someone gonna write a virus that infects the system restore partition, so it can survive such "clean" reformats?

    177. Re:My First 10... by Nicolas+Pillot · · Score: 1

      For your information (man tar) :
      -x, --extract, --get : extract files from an archive, so you may prefer -c to create a file
      -j, --bzip2 : filter archive through bzip2, use to decompress .bz2 files. WARNING: some previous versions of tar used option -I to filter through bzip2. When writing scripts, use --bzip2 instead of -j so that both older and newer tar versions will work.
      So it seems that "| tar vjcf" is typicaly a "| bzip2"

    178. Re:My First 10... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You've finally got the proper level of detail for Windows users.

    179. Re:My First 10... by Nicolas+Pillot · · Score: 1

      > 2: Winamp
      > http://www.winamp.com

      You all seem to use winamp. Why not try foobar ?

      Lean and mean UI, lightweight, many features. I installed it once, and never got back to winamp.

    180. Re:My First 10... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      because it sucks

    181. Re:My First 10... by JamesTRexx · · Score: 1

      I make it even worse, getting the idea after my first install of FreeBSD, I split the disk(s) in partitions for the winnt directory, one for documents and settings, one for pagefile/temp, one for program files, and one for data with the help of some registry hacking. I use the same setup now for installing terminal servers at work and it saved one from total crash after the documents partition maxed out with user profiles. So your way doesn't sound that extreme to me. *lol* I still need to create images of the various partitions though...

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    182. Re:My First 10... by Nicolas+Pillot · · Score: 1

      What an enlighting response ! But i do not know what _useful_ feature is missing from foobar, except those nice and shiny skins... I like it like that, and i wanted to make sure people hear about foobar :-P

    183. Re:My First 10... by rew · · Score: 1

      Before I use Linux tools to "ghost" a partition, I always

      dd if=/dev/zero of=somefile; rm somefile

      first. That zeroes all the unused blocks. Those compress pretty good.

    184. Re:My First 10... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since having XP is so important to you, pay for it.
      If you can't afford it, get a job. It really is that simple.

    185. Re:My First 10... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i saw that coming

    186. Re:My First 10... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But I prefer it over my copy of 95/98 because it's easy to install, it's stable, and has true multitasking capabilities.

      HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHHAAHAHAHAHAHA!

      Nice one...

    187. Re:My First 10... by Crazy+Eight · · Score: 1

      tar doesn't concern itself with compression. It transforms many files to one file and back again. Since the original example using bz2 was dealing with a stream read right off of hda adding tar to the mix contributes nothing. That stream is just one big file to anything on the receiving end of the pipe.

    188. Re:My First 10... by Crazy+Eight · · Score: 1

      That looks really interesting. I take it the point is to let dd run until "somefile" takes up all remaining space on the partition and dd exits with a write error?

    189. Re:My First 10... by persaud · · Score: 1

      With the right backup/recovery tools, W2K+ is a highly productive desktop.

      Spacemonger - great application of that tile-graphing technique (whose name escapes me). PowerDesk has a size manager that uses horizontal bars.

      Unison - been looking for this for years. Thanks!

      Visio is so impressive, especially the manufacturer-specific symbols. WhiteHorse is vapor, but wow. MindManager is also good.

      If you like Palm Desktop, you should try Ecco Pro. It has native Palm support, live sync between multiple PCs, double click to launch URLs and a powerful data model. Support stopped 7 years ago, but it works great except for a hard limit of 32K items in a single file (which takes years to hit, then you need to archive older calendar entries into a separate file).

    190. Re:My First 10... by robogun · · Score: 1

      go to download.com and search for ieradicator. Works on 2000 SP1 on down, and the newer versions with a minor registry tweak. Keep in mind before doing this you may not be aboe to get to windowsupdate.microsoft.com with anything other than IE5+.

    191. Re:My First 10... by f1r3br4nd · · Score: 1

      The above responder to the parent is right! Sysprep is for nearly identical hardware. Worse, Sysprep can screw up your *source* computer making it forget half the hardware you have and ask for driver install media. Buried deep in M$'s knowledgebase is an article (can't find the link now) that boils down to...

      "Use Microsoft Backup to back up your C:\ drive as well as your 'System State'. Then install the same OS version and service pack level off CD onto the machine you're migrating to. Then, use Microsoft Backup to restore the backups you made earlier with the 'overwrite files' option selected."

      Works like a charm! I kid you not, I migrated a Windows 2000 installation from a Sony Vaio SR17+ (notebook) onto a self-built desktop with four times as much memory and an AMD 1700+ processor. Saved me tons of time tracking down the original media for all the junk I had installed over the years.

    192. Re:My First 10... by Lehk228 · · Score: 1

      if you clean a system successflly the first thing you should do is delete all old restore points and create a new one

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    193. Re:My First 10... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can't sell a product made with SDL, so you'll never see it used in a commercial game.
      Unless, of course, you distribute your source code along with the professional game...
      Yeah right.

    194. Re:My First 10... by rew · · Score: 1

      Yes! And in reality it used to stop at 2Gb with "file too large" and you'd have to do it multiple times with different files before you start rm-ing them. But you get the idea.

    195. Re:My First 10... by dustmite · · Score: 1

      Bzzzt wrong, SDL is LGLP not GPL. -1 Troll.

    196. Re:My First 10... by dustmite · · Score: 1

      Huh? Of course they're comparable, they are both software development APIs that cover major aspects of game development, they both contain APIs for input, sound, networking, and 3D graphics - and moreover, the two 3D graphics APIs in each of the two are essentially equally capable. WTF are you smoking if you think they "aren't comparable at all"?

    197. Re:My First 10... by dustmite · · Score: 1

      Nice try, but that's not because there is "no answer to DirectX on Linux", it's because those games are specifically developed only for Windows. That's a problem with the game development companies, not with Linux.

    198. Re:My First 10... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can install/activate an unlimited number of times on a given machine, provided that you don't change the network card.

    199. Re:My First 10... by Ryan+Huddleston · · Score: 0

      Actually, tar does not have any built-in compression. It is made to make multiple files and directories into one easier-to-work-with file. Tar stands for tape archive. Gzip or Bzip2 or compress do the actual compression. As you probably know, the -j and -g flags add gzip or bzip2 compression.

    200. Re:My First 10... by captainktainer · · Score: 1

      It *is* a problem with Linux, because it's functionality that the operating system lacks. Whether you'd like to admit it or not, gamers want to play games, and games are still overwhelmingly developed for Windows. Linux could have the best gaming libraries in the gaming world- which it doesn't, but that's beside the point- and it would still be useless to gamers, so long as it doesn't have full DirectX support. They can't run the games they want to play. Changing that status quo is probably impossible.

    201. Re:My First 10... by mattyrobinson69 · · Score: 1

      oh right. i just assumed tar was a different type of compression that further is further compressed by zip like compressions (gunzip, bunzip, zip etc)

      now i feel silly. i was thinking JPEG and GIF, being two different types of image compression - it never occurred to me that JPEG is lossy, and cant be used for real data.

      *bows head in shame*

      mod my next post down as far as you can, because i deserve it.

    202. Re:My First 10... by dustmite · · Score: 1

      OK, I didn't realise you meant something at least API-compatible (binary compatibility is probably pushing it!). Yes, indeed, it would do Linux a lot of good to have a "DirectX clone". Unfortunately these days DirectX, and especially Direct3D, is a very complex beast, with high-level shader languages, and compilers/assemblers for shader languages that are part of Direct3D card drivers and the D3D reference implementation (software). And advancing pretty fast too. Heck, with the difficulty in keeping up with something like that, perhaps some sort of binary compatibility would be easier to obtain - e.g. something akin to coLinux, but the inverse - "coWin32", running on Linux? Then you just load "real" Win32 drivers and components. But then I guess you're back to the problem of just being closed-source again. *sigh*.

    203. Re:My First 10... by Synic · · Score: 1

      So... Epic must be idiots too, since they used SDL for their Linux version of UT2K4... SDL+OGL+OAL can do just about anything that DX can do...

    204. Re:My First 10... by tajador · · Score: 1

      lmao...this is true...but at least they're an option if you have to use windows

      --
      Finally, The Swingline has a home...
    205. Re:My First 10... by UID1000000 · · Score: 1

      What happens when you disable services? Which services can you get away with disabling? I took out a chunk but I'm only down to 83 MB of ram.

      Which do you disable?

      --
      UID 1000000 is just around the corner.

    206. Re:My First 10... by TimeZone · · Score: 1
      I go with ZoneAlarm first (installed from a CD I burned from a safe computer), and then all the patches. If you're winXP (which you are) I guess you can get away without ZoneAlarm, so long as you configure the built-in firewall first.

      TZ

    207. Re:My First 10... by Jupiter9 · · Score: 1

      foobar's is good if you're running on a slow computer. Other then that I don't get the point. Any computer I've worked with Winamp on, say 450mhz and up, has had no problem handling playing music while I was working (Except for perhaps, while copying large files around). That and UI is UGLY, and not simple enough to configure for us folks who just want to listen to music while they work. Why should I have to configure my UI so much, I just want to load playlists, adjust the volume, and hit the play button every once in a while.

      --

      --
      Does anyone remember /\/\/\?
    208. Re:My First 10... by Grakun · · Score: 1

      Ah, and DirectX is sufficient for anything not developed specifically for it? How that? Does it an analysis of the binary, followed of an automatic rewrite to use DirectX?

      No, but there are a lot more major games written specifically for DirectX than there are for SDL.

    209. Re:My First 10... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      because that would be completely unethical and he is way above doing something like that.

    210. Re:My First 10... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When you disable a service it is prohibited from starting - this is a good way to kill windows if you completely disable the wrong service. Some things like telephony have to be disabled though to stop them since windows will always try to run it weither you use it or not. If your not sure, just look up the service on the internet and/or set to manual if it doesn't look important - windows *should* start the service if it needs it. Print Spooler is the one I seem to get the most bang out of (I have no printer)

  2. Wimp. by monstroyer · · Score: 5, Funny

    Real men don't install programs, they write them.

    -1 : TACO! WHY HAVE YOU FORSAKEN ME?

    1. Re:Wimp. by squidfood · · Score: 1
      Real men don't install programs, they write them.

      In raw machine code of course? My first 3 on windows are all from Cygwin (loophole: on Windows that doesn't count as an OS):
      (1) gcc
      (2) perl
      (3) emacs [flamewar deleted]

    2. Re:Wimp. by legality · · Score: 0

      I think you're talking about real coders. The same guys who would mod 700 linux babe [288k] when they /usr/bin/locate in /mnt/dreams right?

  3. Gator! by strictnein · · Score: 4, Funny

    Easy.... all of those wonderful Claria (Gator) products!

    eWallet - Give you personal info to a spyware maker!
    Dashbar - I don't know what it does, but it must dash!
    WeatherScope - I've got to know my weather!
    PrecisionTime - I've got to know exactly what time it is.
    DateManager - How else do I know date it is?
    WebSecureAlert - Who else to trust your security to than a spyware maker?

    and then...

    AOL 9.0!
    Internet Explorer 6.01
    Windows Media Player 9.0 - DRM Special Edition
    Pr0n

    1. Re:Gator! by prockcore · · Score: 5, Funny

      What a waste, you can install *all* of those things at once just by installing Kazaa Media Desktop.

    2. Re:Gator! by red+floyd · · Score: 1

      You forgot:

      WebTangent
      Bonzi Buddy
      Comet Cursor

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      The only reason we have the rights we have is that people just like us died to gain those rights. -- Cheerio Boy
    3. Re:Gator! by XorNand · · Score: 2, Informative

      I recommend Weather Watcher if you'd like a system tray weather icon. It's free (beer), spyware-free, lightweight and does everything I'd want it to do.

      --
      Entrepreneur : (noun), French for "unemployed"
    4. Re:Gator! by shfted! · · Score: 1

      A geek on slashdot needs a manager to keep track of his dates? What is his secret?? Why aren't I so lucky?!?

      --
      He who laughs last is stuck in a time dilation bubble.
    5. Re:Gator! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      How about an tray app that keeps track of what name Gator is hiding behind this week?

    6. Re:Gator! by Dr+Caleb · · Score: 1
      Does it simulate my window?

      --
      "History doesn't repeat itself, but it does rhyme." Mark Twain
    7. Re:Gator! by DoomHaven · · Score: 2, Funny

      Honestly, here is the two-step program that worked for me:

      1) Step away from the computer
      2) Leave the house

      I'm dead serious here. I started getting out just over a month ago, and now I have been on dates with two different girls in that time. The two years previous that I spent on the net, I didn't go out on a single date. Oh, and I'm getting to see more of the city, working out more, eating healthier, and generally just living a better life.

      But, of course, let's not be silly here. Do it in moderation. As you can tell, I haven't given up the net *completely* ;)

      --
      "Don't mind me cutting myself on Occam's Razor"
    8. Re:Gator! by shfted! · · Score: 1

      I was just trying to be funny. In actuality, I've been in a steady relationship (heh, she's living with me) for over a year and a half now.... shhhhh.

      --
      He who laughs last is stuck in a time dilation bubble.
    9. Re:Gator! by JoshRoss · · Score: 1

      before you install the pr0n you have to install the divx codec.

    10. Re:Gator! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The dirty pirates 10 top installs!:
      1. DC++
      2. Nero
      3. Bit Torrent
      4. Cdex
      5. Dameon
      6. Gknot
      7. Kazaa lite
      8. DVD Decoder
      9. WinMX
      10. WinISO

    11. Re:Gator! by macdaddy · · Score: 1

      Go on. I'm taking notes.... The last psuedo date I was on was with a vegetarian that would eat Taco Bell mexican pizzas. I don't know if that says more about her dietary convictions or the food at Taco Bell. :-)

    12. Re:Gator! by DoomHaven · · Score: 1

      More... uh... if you have to go somewhere (bar, restaurant) alone, have something to do, like cards, a book, crossword puzzle, etc. It's a good topic starter, and doesn't make you look like a loner freak.

      So... uh... a vegetarian? That meant no oral sex? "Honest, honey, it's my love carrot".

      It's pretty sad that the parent has been modded funny. It's true!!! I swear it.

      I'm giving "how-to meet women" advice to a guy named macdaddy *snicker* :)

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      "Don't mind me cutting myself on Occam's Razor"
    13. Re:Gator! by macdaddy · · Score: 1

      LOL. I was just kidding about taking notes. That was how my last date went though. She was good looking but definitely an odd duck.

  4. forget winrar by WhiteDragon · · Score: 5, Informative

    I use 7-zip, it is free (speech and beer) and reads and writes most archive formats, including zip, rar, tar, tgz, etc.

    --
    Did you mount a military-grade, variable-focus MASER on an unlicensed artificial intelligence?
    1. Re:forget winrar by AKAImBatman · · Score: 1

      I use a great little program called EnZIP. Unfortunately, it seems to no longer be supported. It was really a great alternative to WinZIP. Anyone know what happened? Did the author get tired of it?

    2. Re:forget winrar by Deraj+DeZine · · Score: 1

      Additionally, very few people use it/have it installed and the savings in file size are not worth it to most people with decent Internet connections.

      Gimmer .tar.gz or .tar.bz2 anyday. I don't wanna waste time getting a program just to install something else.

      To date, I've never used 7-zip.

      --
      True story.
    3. Re:forget winrar by Mattintosh · · Score: 3, Informative

      Try ICEOWS. The interface kicks all sorts of booty, plus it works with every zip-ish format I've ever encountered, along with more than a few I haven't encountered.

    4. Re:forget winrar by notasheep · · Score: 5, Informative
      Thanks for the 404 link, "idiot boy". :) Here's a link that isn't broken: link that works

      --
      Your mind looks a little cramped. Why don't you stretch it a little?
    5. Re:forget winrar by Leffe · · Score: 1

      The thing about 7-zip is not it's own good 'mp3-beating' (joke, no one will get it) compression format (which I've actually never used either) - it's having one interface for all formats. Having to install 300Mb spyware with all different zippers is no fun when you can download a 1mb utility that handles every format on this earth (except for ACE, but that's a stupid one).

    6. Re:forget winrar by AKAImBatman · · Score: 1

      Found the old homepage. I believe that they used to have EnZIP.com. None of the download links on the old page appear to work. If you want a copy, try searching around the Internet. I've found mirrors the download files in the past.

    7. Re:forget winrar by hattig · · Score: 1

      Oh that's cool. I've been looking for a decent free compression / decompression application for a while.

      Are there Unix command line tools for the .7z file format?

      It doesn't appear to add context menus to Windows, it is so handy to be able to select an archive and right-click extract.

      Could do with prettier icons on the toolbar too, because that is a really important consideration :P

    8. Re:forget winrar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      IZarc. I actually keep the older version for the zip password cracker (I forget my spontaneously made up passwords occasionally ;-) and the newer version for the better gui/more formats support. Free as in beer, and that's good enough for me - no regs, nags, or other crap, it just works.

    9. Re:forget winrar by shopi · · Score: 1
      Additionally, very few people use it/have it installed...

      ...Gimmer .tar.gz or .tar.bz2 anyday. I don't wanna waste time getting a program just to install something else.

      And how much people can open a .gz or .bz2, by the way? compared to a .rar?

      I'm sorry, but your post doesn't make sense...

    10. Re:forget winrar by Asprin · · Score: 1


      It doesn't appear to add context menus to Windows, it is so handy to be able to select an archive and right-click extract.

      Yes, it does, but the config's a little weird. You have to go into CONFIG, then the PLUGINS tab and hit the OPTIONS button for the 7-Zip component.

      The only problem is that I can't get it to default to creating ZIP format with the shell support -- only 7z files. :(

      --
      "Lawyers are for sucks."
      - Doug McKenzie
    11. Re:forget winrar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Windows XP - has winzip built in. No need for a download.
      GNU/Linux - Usually comes with Gzip. No need for a download.

      Why are people trying to stuff this new ".RAR" format down our throats?

    12. Re:forget winrar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As far as size goes, WinACE2.0 compression is the best compression I've seen available.
      Sometimes Microsoft CAB is able to compress better, but in the long run WinACE2.0 appears to be better.
      I really wish there was a way to use WinACE2.0 natively in Linux. I've never seen tar.bz2 shrink something smaller than WinACE2.0.

    13. Re:forget winrar by hattig · · Score: 1

      Ah great, thanks!

      This app needs to be ported to other Operating Systems if it is to gain momentum though.

    14. Re:forget winrar by ktulu1115 · · Score: 1

      WinRAR does all those too.

      The contents of the C:\Applications\WinRAR\Formats directory on my laptop Win32 install are the following:

      ace.fmt
      arj.fmt
      bz2.fmt
      cab.fmt
      gz.fmt
      iso.fmt
      lzh.fmt
      tar.fmt
      UNACEV2.DLL
      uue.fmt

      Never tried 7-zip though, sounds good.

      --
      # fuser -v /dev/attention | grep work
      #
    15. Re:forget winrar by sysopd · · Score: 2, Informative
      I keep trying out new versions of 7-zip, but I always wind up ditching it in favor of WinRAR. I've tried everything under the sun, and used to use Powerarchiver until they took a dump on the face of their userbase and went from freeware to shareware.

      The problem I have with 7-zip is that its slow, often non-responsive during decompression, and it crashes. The last powerarchiver freeware version (6.2) doesn't support the newer RAR format, or I'd use that.

      WinRAR is good software. I don't see the problem with paying (only $29) for a quality piece of software. Especially if the argument is "Use this piece of software because its free not because its good." Then again I love free (as in beer) software and embrace the idea of an opensource multiformat compression utility for windows. I'm just not going to use it until it can actually compete and replace a well-written, quality piece of software.

    16. Re:forget winrar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Try to find a copy of the freeware version of PowerArchiver. They changed to shareware some years back, but the freeware version is still kicking about...

    17. Re:forget winrar by Solosoft · · Score: 1

      Why not winrar for linux. I use it for most of my archive work. It seems to do a quick good job and most people I know can support it. It also supports breaking up the archives and a ton of other nifty stuff.

      Download it here (Note it's not free and it does mention trial but ive never seen it expire or anything)

      I might not be the best but it does a good job of compressing files and lets you compress them to exe for your windows using friends.

      Also winrar supports extracting tar archives (im not too sure about tar.gz) but I know it extracts tars. Since I use .tar for putting my mp3's into one file. Compressing it anymore isn't going to make much of a difference if it's mp3 anyways.

    18. Re:forget winrar by Atzanteol · · Score: 1

      Winzip handles .tar.gz just fine. Not too sure about .tar.bz2...

      --
      "Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge"

      - Charles Darwin
    19. Re:forget winrar by AndyElf · · Score: 1

      tar cvjf archive.tbz2 dir/

      from cygwin or msys shell should very wll do.

      if you are concerned with interchngeability -- replace 'cvjf' with 'cvzf' and set extension to 'tgz' -- resulting archive (ellegant beauty of it!) will be easily opened by your buddy using most other archivers -- be it 7-zip ot WinZIP or Mac OSX StuffIt.

      and compression *is* better than .zip

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      --AP
    20. Re:forget winrar by AndyElf · · Score: 1

      .tar.gz and .tgz will be opened by either of WinZIP, 7-Zip, WinRAR, TotalCommander. Dunno about PKZIP.

      --

      --AP
    21. Re:forget winrar by cayenne8 · · Score: 1
      "Why not winrar for linux...(Note it's not free and it does mention trial but ive never seen it expire or anything) "

      You know, I could swear months ago I looked at this site, and the Linux version was free back then. Was it then, and now charge for it?

      Is there and open source utility for LInux that can work with .rar files?

      --
      Light travels faster than sound. This is why some people appear bright until you hear them speak.........
    22. Re:forget winrar by Leffe · · Score: 1

      I said nothing about compression, or maybe I did, but I tried to say that it is nice to have a program that can de-compress a whole lot of different archives, having to use unzip, unrar, gunzip or bunzip (I'd use the hacks in tar for the latter two) is no fun :/

      Hmm.. which compression is best I don't know though :/ I'm running some benchmarks right now :) I won't bother timing them as I'm lazy ^^

    23. Re:forget winrar by Deraj+DeZine · · Score: 1

      Ok, my original post wasn't clear. My point is I don't care about compression; RAR, ACE, 7z, etc. are all pretty close in most cases.

      My point is that we've already got some unencumbered, free formats that people use and I see no compelling reason to switch.

      Additionally, splitting files up into pieces is easy and can be done on any file format. Sure, RAR does some integrity checking on the pieces, but usually when you split a file into pieces, you're going to be using something like PAR that checks the integrity of the pieces and recreates missing ones. RAR's checks are just a waste of time in all of the cases I've used them for (Usenet).

      --
      True story.
    24. Re:forget winrar by Felonious+Ham · · Score: 3, Informative
      I used to use 7-zip as an alternative to WinZip, but as another poster has mentioned, the UI leaves a little to be desired. The third way between naggy WZ and unfinished 7Z is UltimateZip. There's a 3 second "ad" (really just a splash for the authoring company) when browsing zips, but you get explorer integration for free.

      Might as well get on with the rest of the list:

      I've further comment on my wiki

      Todd

    25. Re:forget winrar by ajs318 · · Score: 1
      WinRAR is good software. I don't see the problem with paying (only $29) for a quality piece of software.
      I don't object to paying money for software. What I do object to is not having the source code for the software I use. I for one would sooner forego a computer altogether than have to use closed-source software.
      --
      Je fume. Tu fumes. Nous fûmes!
    26. Re:forget winrar by Herr_Nightingale · · Score: 1

      7zip lacks multi-part archiving with error recovery volumes, or any other kind of error recovery information, so I use WinRAR instead. You get what you pay for with WinRAR.

      WinRAR
      Ad Muncher
      Opera
      Foobar2000
      Paint Shop Pro
      the current Kazaa Lite variant of my choice
      OO.o

      That's all I ask of my Windows machine.

    27. Re:forget winrar by computational+super · · Score: 1

      Damn, dude, you got me all excited - you didn't mention that it's open source, but for windows only. I'm still searching high and wide for an unrar program (free or not) that I can actually run on my Debian distro (that doesn't require a very very Redhat-specific version of libstdc++ as the download on the winrar site does).

      Of course, 7-zip is open source (but for windows)... maybe I'll actually have to break down and figure out the RAR protocol from the sources and write my own Linux port. Unless somebody knows something I don't know

      --
      Proud neuron in the Slashdot hivemind since 2002.
    28. Re:forget winrar by Lehk228 · · Score: 1

      I was able to get it a few days ago from the wayback machine but it seems to be down now, The license allows for redistribution without change so i mirrored it Here

      --
      Snowden and Manning are heroes.
    29. Re:forget winrar by sysopd · · Score: 1
      What I do object to is not having the source code for the software I use. I for one would sooner forego a computer altogether than have to use closed-source software.

      This said in reference to what first 10 programs you install on a closed-source software operating system... Thats interesting. With your stance you should be using GNU/Linux only, on a computer with an opensource BIOS (openbios, etc). Maybe you should only use opensource firmware in your devices as well? Have fun writing your own device drivers and firmware. With those requirements you might not be able to read this so I'm also relaying the message via smoke signals and carrier pigeon.

    30. Re:forget winrar by FryGuy1013 · · Score: 1

      I prefer zipgenius. It supports 7zip archives too.

      --
      bananas like monkeys.
    31. Re:forget winrar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      tar.(b|g)z2? formats have a slightly different advantage over ZIP and its lookalikes; it puts all the files together into a non-compressed file first, then does a compression run against the whole shabang. Assuming the multiple files you're compressing have similarities between them, the dictionary-based compression routines will get much better compression out of .tar.gz than out of .gz'ing every individual file, for example.

      Source archives are often tiny with .tar.gz (and better yet with .tar.bz2) compared to their zip counterparts.

      For serious fun, sort the contents of the archive by filetype before compression.

    32. Re:forget winrar by ajs318 · · Score: 1

      I am using GNU/Linux -- which, by the way, is the first piece of software I would install on any Windows box. I am already campaigning actively for Mandatory Full Disclosure; but should the occasion arise, I would consider myself well within my rights to examine any firmware in any device I bought and paid for with my own money -- and then sue the manufacturer for any expenses incurred {hire of specialist equipment &c}.

      --
      Je fume. Tu fumes. Nous fûmes!
    33. Re:forget winrar by stevey · · Score: 1
      I'm still searching high and wide for an unrar program (free or not) that I can actually run on my Debian distro

      Debian unstable comes with 'unrar', which I've used in the past.

      Whilst it's not free it doesn't require any strange libraries:

      skx@undecided:~$ apt-cache show unrar
      Package: unrar
      Priority: optional
      Section: non-free/utils
    34. Re:forget winrar by WhiteDragon · · Score: 1

      yes, the point of my comment was not that winrar was bad per se, merely that 7-zip is as good and free.

      --
      Did you mount a military-grade, variable-focus MASER on an unlicensed artificial intelligence?
    35. Re:forget winrar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      apt-get install unrar

    36. Re:forget winrar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As far as size goes, WinACE2.0 compression is the best compression I've seen available.

      winrar is better.
      7-zip is better.
      PAQ6 is better than pretty much anything.

      benchmarks.

    37. Re:forget winrar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...new? It's been around forever..

    38. Re:forget winrar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are there Unix command line tools for the .7z file format?

      What's really holding 7-zip back, IMO, is that nobody knows how it works except for Igor Pavlov. The only thing you find from a web search is that LZMA is based on LZ77. (despite what wikipedia says)

      Now the source code is available, but it's horrible. I've managed to confirm that it's based on LZ77, and it uses range coders in an interesting way, but it's very hard to read that code.

      So it'd take a genius to write an alternate implementation.

      It doesn't appear to add context menus to Windows, it is so handy to be able to select an archive and right-click extract.

      7-zip does that.

      The biggest problem I had with IZarc is the way it'd automatically shuffle the tree view when you select a folder. So annoying...

    39. Re:forget winrar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and then sue the manufacturer for any expenses incurred {hire of specialist equipment &c}.

      blah blah blah blah blah. All talk and no action, par for the slashbot course.

    40. Re:forget winrar by omicronish · · Score: 1

      I use 7-zip, it is free (speech and beer) and reads and writes most archive formats, including zip, rar, tar, tgz, etc.

      It might seem strange but I use command-line zip from the Unix Utilities package, which contains Win32 ports of common Unix utilities such as grep, zip, and... unrar, although I don't recall ever seeing unrar in Linux.

      I'm not a heavy Linux user, but some of those utilities are incredibly useful to have on Windows.

    41. Re:forget winrar by Kris_J · · Score: 1

      Neither 7-zip nor IZarc will write rar files.

    42. Re:forget winrar by Kris_J · · Score: 1
      having one interface for all formats.
      If that's all you want 7-zip for, use IZarc. You only need to use 7-zip itself if you want the 32MB window "Ultra" compression mode (warning, do not attempt with less than 512MB of RAM).
    43. Re:forget winrar by cheekyboy · · Score: 1

      All the warez on bittorrent are done in rar.

      ie. 87 zip files, rared up into 88 rar files, zipped into one big rar file which is iso'ed.

      --
      Liberty freedom are no1, not dicks in suits.
    44. Re:forget winrar by WhiteDragon · · Score: 1
      Neither 7-zip nor IZarc will write rar files.


      Well, then I stand corrected. I thought 7-zip would write them.
      --
      Did you mount a military-grade, variable-focus MASER on an unlicensed artificial intelligence?
    45. Re:forget winrar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Try ZipGenius - it's not open source but it is free, and it's got a great UI with many many different compression formats supported.

    46. Re:forget winrar by Asterisk · · Score: 1

      RAR does this too - WinRar has a "create solid archive" option that can be enabled when compressing an archive.

  5. I install links or lynx by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    so I can get FP on Slashdot!

  6. Six...Seven...Eight... by American+AC+in+Paris · · Score: 5, Funny
    My first ten for Windows (I use it; get over it):
    1. Trillian,
    2. Winrar,
    3. Firefox,
    4. Winamp,
    5. SmartFTP,
    6. Azureus,
    7. NMap,
    8. GKrellM,
    9. PowerDVD.

    Might I suggest adding a calculator to round out that list?

    --

    Obliteracy: Words with explosions

    1. Re:Six...Seven...Eight... by Iscariot_ · · Score: 0, Redundant

      Actually it's:

      1. Windows
      2. Trillian,
      3. Winrar,
      4. Firefox,
      5. Winamp,
      6. SmartFTP,
      7. Azureus,
      8. NMap,
      9. GKrellM,
      10. PowerDVD.

    2. Re:Six...Seven...Eight... by Plake · · Score: 0

      8. GKrellM,

      Um, is it me or is GKrellm only for *nix systems?

      The task manager is very simlar for system stats for a Windows 2k/XP machine.

    3. Re:Six...Seven...Eight... by thomasa · · Score: 1


      I never use a caculator on a computer. I much
      rather would pull out my TI 86 or something
      simpler.

    4. Re:Six...Seven...Eight... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks man!! I've been looking good free windows calculater with scrollback for the longest time.

    5. Re:Six...Seven...Eight... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My favorite Windows calculator: www.sicyon.com
      (it's freeware)

    6. Re:Six...Seven...Eight... by TrancePhreak · · Score: 1

      Power Calculator blows that out of the water.

      --

      -]Phreak Out[-
    7. Re:Six...Seven...Eight... by chthonicdaemon · · Score: 1

      Best calculator ever (Why do I need buttons with a perfectly good keyboard attached to my computer) is Frink. Automatic unit conversion and a real programming language behind it. Java makes it cross-platform too.

      --
      Languages aren't inherently fast -- implementations are efficient
  7. linux/openbsd/freebsd by quelrods · · Score: 4, Informative

    bash less enlightenment wget vim screen nmap phoenix/firebird/firefox Eterm xmms

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    :(){ :|:&};:
    1. Re:linux/openbsd/freebsd by jacksonscottsly · · Score: 1

      !!! that is my list exactly minus vim and plus gaim !!!

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      [ you and I are ugly ]
    2. Re:linux/openbsd/freebsd by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why the hell is this modded off topic? The story specifically asks for input from linux users!!

    3. Re:linux/openbsd/freebsd by robochan · · Score: 1

      Why the parent was originally modded offtopic, I have no idea ("What are the first 10 programs you would install on a Windows machine? How about for a Unix machine?").
      Depending on the machine's use, I have a fairly minimal set of gui and/or console things I like to have _all_ the time. KWrite, (or joe), xchat (or weechat), xfe (or mc), kmail (or mutt), less, wget, ssh, multi-gnome-terminal or rxvt, as well as a few others.
      I'm a fairly die-hard Debian user, so I make things simple. I have a file called basic.dpkg - one for a strictly console machine, one for gui machine. It contains the list of programs I like to have installed. After having that on the machine,
      dpkg --set-selections < basic.dpkg
      Run dselect, option 3, wait a few minutes... I have my machine ready to go.

      --
      ...Rob
      The American Dream isn't an SUV and a house in the suburbs; it's Don't Tread On Me.
    4. Re:linux/openbsd/freebsd by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      bash less enlightenment wget vim screen nmap phoenix/firebird/firefox Eterm xmms

      I usually install screen before I turn computer on.

    5. Re:linux/openbsd/freebsd by Simon+Lyngshede · · Score: 1

      less (only on Debian where it isn't part of the base system)
      zsh
      evilwm
      emacs
      wget
      firefox
      mutt
      gaim
      xmms
      xchat

    6. Re:linux/openbsd/freebsd by ErroneousBee · · Score: 1

      My Linux List:

      regina
      kernel source
      libdvdread
      libdvdcss
      Moz flash plugin
      Moz orbit 3+1 theme
      kppp
      isatools/wirelesstools (on some systems)
      dagrab
      nvidia drivers (gfx and nforce2)
      ut2004
      weznoth (and hence a huge collection of sdl-devel stuff)
      pySol (she insists on it)
      mplayer (incl win32 plugins)
      realplayer
      java (because I like to suffer the horrors of eclipse)
      eclipse (Gotta stay current on why eclipse is crap)
      My huge pr0n collection
      Box of tissues

      --
      **TODO** Steal someone elses sig.
    7. Re:linux/openbsd/freebsd by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You count less but not X11?

      For me, it varies quite a bit, but typical may be something like:

      zsh sudo xfree86 openmotif vim gnome firefox ocaml sbcl

      The order depends on the operating system/distro (BSDs have nvi which I use until I get vim installed, on Gentoo Linux I usually install vim before X11).

      To explain the openmotif install - I've recently formed a funny habit of using openmotif until I get GNOME or KDE installed.

      The next 10ish things are usually programming languages not listed above and that didn't get picked up as dependencies for something else.

  8. Bonzi Buddy by AtariAmarok · · Score: 5, Funny

    Bonzi Buddy's pretty high on my list; not only that, I don't even have to ask to install it! Friendly lil thing ends up there on its own.

    --
    Don't blame Durga. I voted for Centauri.
    1. Re:Bonzi Buddy by omicronish · · Score: 1

      Bonzi Buddy's pretty high on my list; not only that, I don't even have to ask to install it! Friendly lil thing ends up there on its own.

      Or an uncle installs it. One day a year or so ago my uncle came to visit and excitedly described this talking purple monkey that helped with various computer activities. He's a computer fanatic, meaning he'll spend lots of money on computer components, but not really a geek since he doesn't know much about computer maintenance and usage. Anyway, I was instantly suspicious of the program, and this was back when spyware was relatively obscure.

      I later confirmed my spyware suspicions. Back then I wasn't too strict on security, and freaked out when I saw the purple monkey--the same monkey described as bad bad bad on web pages--on my sister's computer.

      That was the last time I ever let my uncle install stuff on one of my computers. I guess I made a big deal out of it because my siblings sometimes refer to one of our pets as Bonzi just to annoy me. Yes, I literally cringe whenever I hear that name.

  9. A list by Richard_at_work · · Score: 5, Informative
    Heres my list:
    • Putty - A free (GPL) SSH terminal emulator
    • Winzip - Yeah, you know what this is
    • VLC - Free media player
    • OpenOffice.org - I should stop doing these descriptions, its not as if youve heard of these things before!
    • GIMP for windows - Yup, the infernal/eternal image editor
    • Editplus - Possibly the best editor ive found, not free im afraid, costs around $25
    • Sharpdevelop - Free (GPL) .net IDE, requires the .net framework and SDK
    • Bloodshed Dev-C++ - Excellent free (GPL) C and C++ IDE, using the Windows GCC port
    • Thunderbird - Mail client
    • Firefox - Web browser
    • Adobe Acrobat Reader - PDF Reader
    • PDFcreator - GPL PDF print driver for windows
    • MessengerPro (Clickatell) - Non free SMS sender for windows, company does good bulk buy sms rates, i buy 500 at a time for less than $5
    • Lavasoft Adaware and Spybot - For the essentials in life
    • Topstyle - Free version of the excellent CSS editor for webdevelopment, if anyone knows a good free alternative, im open to suggestions :)
    • SmartFTP - Great free for personal use FTP client, not found a better one yet!
    • MySQL-Front - Old version of the MySQL windows front end, much much better than the new one you pay for. Source isnt open and the old developer discontinued development, possibly one of the best advertisements for why OSS is good :(

    Thats about it, everything I install after a reimage of my machines!! Other things get tagged on, but those are the core!

    If anyone has suggestions for alternatives, im open. But they have to be good! Im currently looking for a new .net IDE as sharpdevelop has a few bugs, and since its written in c#, i cant help fix em :(

    As for UNIX, I use OpenBSD so its got a pretty sane base install. I usually drag in a few custom admin scripts ive developed over the years, and my .profile for ksh, but thats about it. The box then gets configured for its custom job.

    1. Re:A list by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Isn't MySQLCC a good alternative to MySQL-Front which I used in the past? It's been some time so I may have forgotten the differences.

    2. Re:A list by mcx101 · · Score: 1

      Putty - A free (GPL) SSH terminal emulator

      Putty is available under the terms of an MIT style license actually. I agree that it rocks though, I use it to manage the Debian Linux servers in my college.

      --
      My operat~1 system unders~1 long filena~1 , does yours?
    3. Re:A list by ifreakshow · · Score: 1

      EditPlus is truely an awesome program. Well worth the money.

    4. Re:A list by Deraj+DeZine · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure what you need PDFcreator for. OpenOffice can export to PDF.

      I hate the PDF format with a passion, but that's beside the point.

      --
      True story.
    5. Re:A list by kworthington · · Score: 2, Informative

      MySQL-Front - Old version of the MySQL windows front end, much much better than the new one you pay for. Source isnt open and the old developer discontinued development, possibly one of the best advertisements for why OSS is good :(

      Try MySQL Control Center. It's free and works a lot like Microsoft's Enterprise Manager for MS SQL Server.

    6. Re:A list by ichthus · · Score: 5, Informative

      SmartFTP - Great free for personal use FTP client, not found a better one yet!

      I haven't tried SmartFTP, so maybe it's better, but I really like FileZilla. It does sftp too - great for crypto xfers.

      --
      sig: sauer
    7. Re:A list by BladeRider · · Score: 1

      My list looks really similar to this, only thing missing is WinVi32 and ActiveState Perl.

      --
      j.
    8. Re:A list by Talian · · Score: 1

      I've always been a big fan of UltraEdit. (Free neither unfortunately, but very solid.)

    9. Re:A list by wfmcwalter · · Score: 1
      SmartFTP - Great free for personal use FTP client, not found a better one yet!

      I haven't tried SmartFTP (so I can't compare the two) but if you haven't already tried it, take look at filezilla, which is pretty good.

      --
      ## W.Finlay McWalter ## http://www.mcwalter.org ##
    10. Re:A list by cybermace5 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      How is it possible to not have IrfanView in this list? It's always in my top three installs when I start using a computer or reinstall.

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      ...
    11. Re:A list by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Office2000

      Dreamweaver

      Winzip

      Putty

      winSCP

      Emacs

      UltraEdit

      Gnutella Client

      smartFTP

      ZoneAlarm

      Acrobat Reader

      AIM with deadAIM extention

      Photoshop 7

      Netscape 4.7

      Netscape 6.2

      Firefox

      Opera 7

      IE 6

      Thunderbird

      Winamp

      DivX codecs

      Nero Burning ROM

      JCreator

      PartitionMagic

      Realplayer

      MailWasher

      SoundForge
      I think that's about it....
      I don't format my main machine but about once every 2 years now thanks to XP being stable, at least on my ebay machine ;)

    12. Re:A list by Grey+Ninja · · Score: 1

      Filezilla gets my vote of confidence as well. It does everything I need it to do and more.

    13. Re:A list by Anvil+the+Ninja · · Score: 1

      You don't really install PuTTY, it's just a standalone executable. Whenever I need it (not at home), I tend to download it, run it from desktop, then delete when I'm done. I ssh from Cygwin normally.

    14. Re:A list by cdrudge · · Score: 1

      2nd the Filezilla recomendation.

    15. Re:A list by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Topstyle - try any simple text editor instead. I have never seen a use for a CSS editor, it is just text after all.

      My list would be:
      • Firefox
      • Mozilla
      • Thunderbird
      • FileZilla
      • Opera
      • Putty
      • Pixie from Nattyware
      • Ymessenger
      • WinHTTPTrack
      • Photoshop

      It continues, but those are usually the first items I have a need for. Oh...AVG anti-virus, the free home edition. That should be first, along with Search and Destroy spyware thingy.
    16. Re:A list by afd8856 · · Score: 1

      I recently fell inlove with Jedit, a Java editor. You get cross-platform and a genious editor (there is a plugin for almost anything). Highly recomended.

      --
      I'll do the stupid thing first and then you shy people follow...
    17. Re:A list by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      SmartFTP used to be great, but recent versions are nagware. I'm actively looking for a replacement. The same goes for LeechGet (a download manager). There used to be a fully functional (if buggy) free version, but recent versions are feature limited unless you pay.

    18. Re:A list by Patik · · Score: 1
      Winzip - Yeah, you know what this is
      Try Winrar, it's so much easier for navigating and extracting zip files. Someone else mentioned 7-zip, gotta try that too.
      Editplus - Possibly the best editor ive found, not free im afraid, costs around $25
      Try Textpad
      VLC - Free media player
      That works for DVDs/VCDs, but I prefer Media Player Classic for other formats (MPG, Divx, Quicktime, Real, etc.)
      SmartFTP - Great free for personal use FTP client, not found a better one yet!
      I found it awkward. Filezilla is much nicer to use and open source.
    19. Re:A list by Oliver+Wendell+Jones · · Score: 1

      Try sending out your resume to headhunters/recruiters in Word (or other document formats) and you'll be in for some rude surprises at the first interview you go to...

      So, Mr Jones, I see on your resume here that you used to be President of the United States, you cured cancer and put an end to world hunger.

      Uh, yeah, if that's what it says now, I guess I did...

      After that I make sure to only send it out in .PDF format. I still get call backs asking if I can send them a Word version so they can "tweak it up a bit".

      --
      A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing -- Emo Phillips
    20. Re:A list by Shurhaian · · Score: 1

      Losing the nagware would be enough of an improvement on its own. I really should've thought to look at sourceforge sooner, but it's been a real pain otherwise, trying to find a free FTP client; SmartFTP doesn't shut itself off like, say, Bulletproof, but it still nags me a fair bit. I like my GUI, yes(though for quick transfers I sometimes just drop to a command prompt and run the BSDish FTP that comes with Windows).

      --
      NB: YMMV. IANAL. Take the above with a grain of salt.
    21. Re:A list by j0eshm0e · · Score: 1


      Sharpdevelop - Free (GPL) .net IDE, requires the .net framework and SDK
      Bloodshed Dev-C++ - Excellent free (GPL) C and C++ IDE, using the Windows GCC port

      You asked for suggestions on IDEs? I use IBM's free Eclipse with QNX's free C/C++ extension called CDT everyday on both linux and windose (Well actually my buddy uses the linux port). It is phenomenal and getting better everyday. I am using a old borland compiler but you can use any C/C++ compiler you want including gcc. I don't program in the .Net world but I am pretty sure there is a .Net plugin somewhere. And if you can't find one you can write one pretty quickly with IBM's plugin development perspective.

      I'm into rippin' my CDs for my Turtle Beach Audiotron (fair use, RIAA jerks) so I also am not without EAC (Exact Audio Copy) to rip beautifully to .wav, LAME to convert to .mp3, MP3Gain to normalize, and ID3-Taggit to manage tags and filenames. Details

      Sigh.

    22. Re:A list by Zerbey · · Score: 1

      (Patches, I consider a part of the OS - I have XP slipstreamed with SP1 then I runs Windows update which I think at last count was a further 60Mb of downloads).

      1. Anti-Virus client (usually Symantec, but it depends on requirements)
      2. WinZip
      3. Firefox (+ Java, Shockware and Flash)
      4. GnuPG for Windows
      5. Thunderbird
      6. PuTTY
      7. Ad-Aware
      8. Adobe Reader
      9. FileZilla
      10. Some Office Suite (Either OO.org or Microsoft, depending on requirements)

    23. Re:A list by skilef · · Score: 1

      2nd that, i love irfanview, i really prefer it to acdsee ... learn to use it with keyboard shortcuts though!!

      --

      You do not exist. Go away.
    24. Re:A list by ktulu1115 · · Score: 1

      EditPlus is truely an awesome program. Well worth the money.

      Couldn't put it better myself... The features is has are enormous, especially with the (easy) syntax highlighting support. I frequently write x86 assembly for my OS I'm writing and trying to create a NASM syntax script for Kate was absurdly difficult. I couldn't even figure out how to make one for gedit, not sure if you can write a custom syntax highlighting script. I stopped after awhile of trying to find a equally-capable application on Linux and just used the Windows install on my laptop (w/Cygwin) instead for development. Although... I have gotten EditPlus installed under Wine and it works quite well.

      Just my $0.02.

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      # fuser -v /dev/attention | grep work
      #
    25. Re:A list by rtconner · · Score: 1

      Mine:

      Mozilla
      Shockwave Plugin
      Winamp
      AIM
      MS Office
      WS_FTP
      Adobe Acrobat
      Photoshop
      Putty/WinSCP
      Realplayer and Quicktime (unfortunatly I still need them to play a lot of internet videos) Then come the video games!

      --
      023AD01("Child", "Evil");
    26. Re:A list by AndyElf · · Score: 1

      i'll second that -- with proper plugins it is great

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      --AP
    27. Re:A list by _bug_ · · Score: 1

      If anyone has suggestions for alternatives, im open. But they have to be good! Im currently looking for a new .net IDE as sharpdevelop has a few bugs, and since its written in c#, i cant help fix em :(

      Well.. if you're willing to spend the time to configure things up, Crimson Editor is tops in my book.

    28. Re:A list by Milo+Fungus · · Score: 1

      I use 7-zip instead of Winzip. It compresses into more formats and doesn't ask you to buy it every time you use it. It's free (as in beer) and small enough to fit on a floppy.

      I use SciTE (Scintilla Text Editor) for CSS (as well as HTML, SVG, etc). Not only does it color-code your syntax, but it knows valid HTML and CSS and will alert you when you use a nonstandard element or attribute. It's really handy. I wish it knew SVG as well. It knows a bunch of other languages, but I'm not a programmer so I never use it for more than web development. It is available for Win32 and Linux (but not as a native cocoa app in OS X, unfortunately) and is distributed under a license similar to the Python license.

      Someone already mentioned Filezilla, so I won't bother. Except to say that it rocks.

      I learned about all of these applications from the GNUWin CD. I usually look there first when I'm looking for Free software to do something on Windows. Have a look around their software lists and you'll probably find a few interesting things to try.

    29. Re:A list by FictionPimp · · Score: 1

      Kinda makes me wonder. Everyone posts winzip. anyone actually buy winzip? I dont use it personally, but i'm just wondering.

    30. Re:A list by FictionPimp · · Score: 1

      I recently switched to context. I like it a lot more. Here is a link

    31. Re:A list by cybermace5 · · Score: 2, Informative

      I know...press T to get the thumbnail view...R and L for rotation, etc. The thumbnails and HTML export utility alone would be a good program. Then throw in the ability to make slideshows and even save them as screensavers...basically everything you could want to do with any image, aside from actual paint tools, is there in Irfanview.

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      ...
    32. Re:A list by Martin+Blank · · Score: 1

      I've usually found that "tweaking it up a bit" translates to removing all direct contact information from the document so that their clients can't get in touch with me directly. I've also had a few of them refuse to work with me if I can't get something to them in Word format.

      --
      You can never go home again... but I guess you can shop there.
    33. Re:A list by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe there's an option to disable this, but by default it loads everything in the queue, which can result with it beeing very slow :/
      i tried once to transfer over 80GB in around 150000 files, and filezilla took ages to fill the queue (and lots of processor too).

    34. Re:A list by swv3752 · · Score: 1

      On Linux I have a seperate /usr/local/ and /home/ partitions so when I upgrade (should never need to reinstall), I can keep the few custom programs without changing a thing. For my personal account, /usr/local/bin/ is a part of the PATH so everyything just works. Only once because of new versions of GCC did I need to recompile something.

      --
      Just a Tuna in the Sea of Life
    35. Re:A list by Pii · · Score: 1
      That's great if your Internet connectivity is still up, but if it isn't, you'd probably be pretty glad if you hadn't deleted it.

      I'm a router jock, so by the time I show up at someone's location, a quick PuTTY download isn't always an option.

      --
      For those that would die defending it, Freedom
      has a sweet taste that the protected will never know.
    36. Re:A list by merlin_jim · · Score: 1

      Does sharpdevelop hook up to the .NET debugger? Even on remote ASP.NET applications?

      If so... schweet...

      Must look into it.

      And C# is NOT hard for a VB.NET developer... all the library calls remain the same... the differences are:

      implicit behaviours change... for instance, implicit casts from float to fixed in C# drop the remainder and in VB.NET round... for example
      a = 1 / 2 is 0 in C# and 1 in VB.NET
      statements must end with ";"
      case matters
      Syntax to start and stop code blocks (i.e. if() { ... } vs. If Then ... End If)
      New / different operators; examples:

      i = i + 6
      i += 6;

      i = i + 1
      i++;

      If a = b Then
      if(a==b) {}

      If a = b or c = d and e = f then
      if(a==b || c==d && e==f) {
      }

      a = c mod 6
      a = c % 6

      Most of them aren't important, like the += syntax; it isn't required, it just makes your code run a little better.

      --
      I am disrespectful to dirt! Can you see that I am serious?!
    37. Re:A list by Deraj+DeZine · · Score: 1

      The purpose of my post was to point out that OpenOffice exports to PDF just fine and an external PDF creation program seemed excessive. I guess you're responding to my tangent on the fact that I don't like the PDF format.

      If you're curious as to why I said that, I've got my reasons.

      • My main complaint with PDF is that it's overused. Professors at universities post everything from homework to grades in PDF format. Why? I have no idea. Usually, they're not intending for the students to print the files out. My guess is that they want to send it out in a format that everyone can view. This seems reasonable enough, except we've already got a better format that everyone can use and it's called XHTML. Documents that are not meant to be printed, but just viewed online, should be HTML and not PDF. I hate having to click a button to switch between "pages" when I'm using a computer with a display that is perfectly capable of eliminating any sort of pagination.
      • My other main complaint is that PDF is not XML-based. This isn't a huge problem, but I think XML formats make a lot of sense (especially when combined with XSLT and other XML processors). This argument is certainly not enough to switch people off of PDF and onto another, newer format and I realize that, but it still factors into my hatred.
      • Complaint #3: Adobe created the format and I don't particularly like Adobe and their hideous GUIs. I doubt many people agree with this sentiment, but I'm listing MY reasons for disliking PDF.
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      True story.
    38. Re:A list by Rallion · · Score: 1

      One suggestion I have is PowerArchiver as a compression utility. Not saying it's better, but you may want to look at it...I just happen to like it.

      And am I confused about what this MessengerPro thing is? I can send/recieve SMS messages for free using AIM, or Gaim for that matter, though a current glitch in Gaim requires that you use another AIM client to add the number to your list first.

    39. Re:A list by blackmonday · · Score: 1

      A note on Editplus - It has a rabid following everywhere I've ever worked as soon as I told people about. It's the best text editor I've ever used and I wish they had it for Linux. On the mac I like subthaedit, google for it, it even lets people edit the same document in real time over the network with rendezvous.

    40. Re:A list by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Downloading PuTTY each time you need it is a security risk unless you alse check the file signature through a known uncompromised channel (iow, not the internet connection which you used to download PuTTY).

    41. Re:A list by I+confirm+I'm+not+a · · Score: 1

      Aye, having just (last month or so) started using Control Centre I can vouch for it. Free, excellent tool, intuitive, etc. Webmin's not bad either: in fact I prefer using it on low-spec workstations - let the server do the grunt-work.

      --
      This is where the serious fun begins.
    42. Re:A list by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Try Textpad

      Forget Textpad. If you have to use Windows, and you don't want to learn vi or emacs (both of which have perfectly good Windows ports), you could at least make it UltraEdit - it does everything Textpad can do, and more.

    43. Re:A list by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Since you mention your UNIX background, I highly recommend cygwin. It gives you a boatload of unix utilities, including ksh and ssh.

    44. Re:A list by g0_p · · Score: 1

      And heres my list (for Java programmers and command line afficianados.)

      1. gvim
      2. cygwin ( I need my Gnu tools.)
      3. mozilla
      4. JDK
      5. eclipse
      6. putty
      7. Adobe Acrobat reader
      8. Winzip
      9. OpenOffice
      10. IrfanView (Excellent support for a lot of file formats and free)
      11. Ghostview (postscript)
      12. vlc (for media.)
      13. Adaware.


      I like working on the command line a lot. So my cygwin is most usually setup so that there are shortcuts to all frequently accessed folders from the command line as well. (My Documents, My pictures, etc. are linked to folders in my cygwin home directory as well..) And of course I copy my old vimrc and plugins..

    45. Re:A list by Oliver+Wendell+Jones · · Score: 1

      The first time it happened to me they changed all of my job titles to "industry standard terms" and bulked up some of software experience. In the end, instead of being a Visual Basic Programmer / Project Manager I ended up being a System Analyst and IT Group Manager with Oracle (where the hell did that come from?) experience... simply because that's what the job they were sending me out to interview for wanted.

      After that I sent them out only in PDF and would make any requested changes myself and re-send rather than let them monkey with them

      --
      A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing -- Emo Phillips
    46. Re:A list by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nice in theory, but a couple years ago I had the following discussion with a recruiter:

      Me: Is PDF all right?
      R: What's that?
      Me: Do you have Acrobat installed?
      R: They told me not to open any weird attachments.

      Since then, my resume has been in HTML with a .DOC file extention. Too risky any other way.

      Also, long time ago, when all of this was done with paper and fax, I had a recruiter retype my resume to include whatever bullshit he wanted. A shitty headhunter will always find a way.

    47. Re:A list by zapp · · Score: 1

      woah... did NOT know you could do that with aim.. that made my day.

      Know if you can do it through trillian, too?

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      no comment
    48. Re:A list by Rallion · · Score: 1

      Know if you can do it through trillian, too?

      Yes, you can.

    49. Re:A list by zapp · · Score: 1

      Not everyone uses OO.org. Even if you have OO, there will be times you'll want to create a PDF out of something other than a OO document. Sure its rare, but it might happen.

      In a deeper post on this thread you complain that PDF is overused by teachers/etc. I would like to point out that one HUGE reason teachers use PDF is because it is secure. Once they create the PDF, it is non-modifiable.

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    50. Re:A list by prandal · · Score: 1

      I tried SmartFTP and it went in the bin as soon as I discovered Filezilla.

      My other favourite is the text editor ConTEXT.

      And WinGAIM to replace the bloatware instant messengers.

    51. Re:A list by golgafrincham · · Score: 1

      That's great if your Internet connectivity is still up, but if it isn't, you'd probably be pretty glad if you hadn't deleted it.

      with a broken network connection putty seems a bit useless...

      yea, i know.

      --
      beer as in "free beer"
    52. Re:A list by gavinjolly · · Score: 1

      One shortcoming for FileZilla is it will not do recursive CHMOD on the FTP server. I use ws-ftp lite that includes recursive CHMOD. Interface is clunky but it works.

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      The weathers here - Wish you were beautiful

    53. Re:A list by md04 · · Score: 1

      Thats when you keep a handy copy of it on the memory stick dangling from your car keys. :)

    54. Re:A list by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You may want to look into FileZilla as a replacement for SmartFTP. FileZilla is a GPL'ed program provided by the Mozilla Project(s). FileZilla is at least as user-friendly as SmartFTP and you'll never have to contend with nag screens.

    55. Re:A list by Goldberg's+Pants · · Score: 1

      Filezilla is great. So is their FTP server as well.

    56. Re:A list by Goldberg's+Pants · · Score: 1

      I used to love Leechget, but sadly it has gone rather badly down the crapper.

      For big files that there's only one of, I just the cmd in XP and use WGET to download.

      For multiple files... Well, sadly, I've yet to find a decent freeware download manager.

    57. Re:A list by eyeye · · Score: 1

      I found filezilla to have a bizarre (perhaps even buggy) interface. I dragged a file from a remote directory to my E: drive - it copied the file and then the E: drive disappeared from the interface. WTF??

      Ok while I am posting in this thread heres my list

      Gfx drivers - (say no to vomiting due to 60hz refresh rate!)
      Firefox - avoid spyware etc... by using IE as little as possible
      Thunderbird - email prog
      Putty - to regain access to my sleeping screen session where most real work gets done.
      Digiguide - TV guide software
      Dscaler - TV application.
      Stickies - a kind of digital post it note
      AVG - virus checker
      Firewall - actually I dont have one atm, they all seem to be fucking buggy and why do all their interfaces try to look like web pages?
      ClocX - desktop analogue clock.
      Daemon Tools - mount Iso images etc..

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    58. Re:A list by Richard_at_work · · Score: 1

      Does Gaim etc do it for non US mobiles? Im going to look into this!! I dont see how they can sustain free SMS/text messages to and from mobile phones.

    59. Re:A list by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't need to use Acrobat!!
      xpdf is a great pdf-viewing tool for X, extremely fast, much faster than mozilla or konqueror, and doesn't have integration problems with firefox. There must be an alternative for Windows too.
      I think GGV can see PDF too.
      I think most people who hate PDF do hate Acrobat actually.

      Many people who publish PDF do it because that's what laTeX can produce better, and many academics like to spend their document-producing time producing documents, and not formatting them, like in some WYSIWYG editor-text formatter.

      Also, one of the purposes or having pages is so yo can refer to them, when a document is supposed to be actually read and discusse, it could easier to tell someone to read page 15 than to browse or search the text to find some reference, specially if they choose to print it. Plus, many people leave their computers, and read paper, HTML loooks horrible when printed, and wastes a lot of paper, _or_ takes formatting time to print nicely
      .

    60. Re:A list by efatapo · · Score: 1

      IrfanView is ok...but you'll have to pry the ACDSee v 3.0 CD from my cold dead hands. Their newer versions are crap but 3.0 is the best image viewer I have seen. Since moving to my PowerBook I use iView MediaPro. It's alright, but not nearly as nice/simple/quick as ACDSee 3.0. That's the only thing I miss...

    61. Re:A list by cubic6 · · Score: 1

      Agreed, it's even a particularily slick Java IDE when used with Ant and JUnit and appropriate plugins. It's amazing.

      --
      Karma: Contrapositive
    62. Re:A list by Rallion · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure if it works for non-US. You add "+1**********" (*'s indicate area code and number) to your buddy list and IM away.

      Again, even for US mobiles, you can't add to your list within Gaim. Use another AIM client, I suggest the vanilla version.

      My girlfriend and I use it to communicate all the time, it works great.

    63. Re:A list by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The guy said he was installing OOo, so I figured it was reasonable to assume he had OOo.

      As for PDF being secure, I don't know what you're talking about. I can mess with PDFs just like any other file. Perhaps there's some encryption add-on (with public key encryption?) for PDF, but apparently my professors don't use it =)

    64. Re:A list by Deslack · · Score: 0

      I suggest you try Programmer's Notepad. Especially the 2.0 ones. Bloody fast and very good syntax highlighting.

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      .sigs are useless; it doesn't protect you from imposters.
    65. Re:A list by aled · · Score: 1

      Professors at universities post everything from homework to grades in PDF format. Why?

      You ungrateful clod! In my time everything was posted in ps. Oh, the pain!

      --

      "I think this line is mostly filler"
    66. Re:A list by dolmen.fr · · Score: 1

      For big files that there's only one of, I just the cmd in XP and use WGET to download.

      Use cURL: it can do both download and upload from the command line.
      But for interactive transferts, FileZilla is the best on Win32.

    67. Re:A list by f1r3br4nd · · Score: 1

      Secure? Hah! Only to the extent that the user hasn't bought the latest PDF 'password recovery' app from ElcomSoft (http://elcomsoft.com/prs.html#apdfpr).

  10. Just one by PrvtBurrito · · Score: 5, Funny

    Emacs. Hell, that is ten programs. And it is as big as one hundred.

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    1. Re:Just one by operagost · · Score: 0, Redundant

      Maybe that's what this guy needs - an eMac. OS X may be harder for him to hose up.

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      Gamingmuseum.com: Give your 3D accelerator a rest.
    2. Re:Just one by stevesliva · · Score: 1

      Oh come on, Blotus Notes v6 is waaay bigger.

      --
      Who do you get to be an expert to tell you something's not obvious? The least insightful person you can find? -J Roberts
    3. Re:Just one by tbjw · · Score: 2, Funny

      On a mac, you can install it three times!
      I have emacs installed by default by the OS,
      I have Carbon Emacs,
      I have XEmacs.

      And I use them all to play tetris.

    4. Re:Just one by KFK2 · · Score: 4, Funny

      He/she asked what 10 programs you install after installing your OS.. not what OS you install..

    5. Re:Just one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1. CRiSP
      2. gdb
      3. bash (cygwin if need be)
      4. rsh
      5. proc monitor
      6. system call tracer
      7. VMWare
      8. Valgrind
      9. gcc
      10. Age Of Empires

    6. Re:Just one by ninewands · · Score: 1

      XEmacs is NOT an OS ... to qualify as an OS software must include a kernel ... the ONE feature that's missing from XEmacs.

    7. Re:Just one by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      oh-oh, looks like someone forgot to install a sense of humor.

    8. Re:Just one by archivis · · Score: 1

      Oooooh...so who is going to port the kernel to elisp?

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      In July O7, I got a mac pro. There's no punchline. Just endless joy and wonder.
    9. Re:Just one by pD-brane · · Score: 1

      Emacs. Hell, that is ten programs. And it is as big as one hundred.

      No! Vi is so much better. This contains an editor, a... uhm... oh wait... never mind.

    10. Re:Just one by kelnos · · Score: 1

      hey, at least that OS comes with a text editor. that's #1...

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      Xfce: Lighter than some, heavier than others. Just right.
  11. My selection by thesaur · · Score: 1

    Firefox, OOo, Putty, WinSCP, Winamp, AIM, DeadAIM, Apache, MySQL, PHP... Plus all the usual accessories...

    1. Re:My selection by Paul+d'Aoust · · Score: 1

      I install Firefox right off the bat too. Here's my list: 1. Firefox 2. Thunderbird 3. AVG Anti-Virus 4. Mime handlers; e.g., Flash, QuickTime, Adobe Reader 5. Windows XP SP1, DirectX 9, and Windows Media Player 9 6. FilZip (or some other archiving program) 7. OpenOffice.org 8. HTML-Kit 9. GIMP 10. iTunes And for Linux: 1. GNOME 2. Firefox 3. Evolution 4. gAIM 5. GIMP 6. gDesklets 7. XMMS 8. OpenOffice.org 9. Inkscape 10. giFT

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    2. Re:My selection by SecretMethod70 · · Score: 1

      I'm friends with one of the gaim developers, so I'll save him the time and mention (they have to correct this for legal reasons) that it's gaim or Gaim. Part of the agreement with AOL.

    3. Re:My selection by Paul+d'Aoust · · Score: 1

      oooo, very informative. Gaim, not gAIM. Thanks!

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      Standing at the very edge of my imagination, I peered into the inky void and realised -- I couldn't think up a new sig.
  12. First thing to install on a Windows machine... by Torqued · · Score: 5, Funny

    Linux!

    1. Re:First thing to install on a Windows machine... by Ruzty · · Score: 0

      Oh, I can't help myself...
      No, install FreeBSD

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      The Master (Angelo Rossitto) in Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome, "Not shit, energy!"
    2. Re:First thing to install on a Windows machine... by YomikoReadman · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      Ahh.. Linux, it truly is the best thing you can possibly install on a Windows box... with one exception. I really really really want to put Fedora on my Windows box, but FFXI won't let me. ;_;

      --
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      My whole life has been "UNLIMITED BLADE WORKS"
    3. Re:First thing to install on a Windows machine... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What, so you jerks can laugh at him and tell him to go back to Windows when he goes into your irc channels for help?

    4. Re:First thing to install on a Windows machine... by ktulu1115 · · Score: 1

      I really really really want to put Fedora on my Windows box...

      Try CoLinux.

      --
      # fuser -v /dev/attention | grep work
      #
    5. Re:First thing to install on a Windows machine... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I run Gentoo. Installation isn't something I'd want to repeat often...it's more of a lifes work...but then it keeps me out of trouble...

    6. Re:First thing to install on a Windows machine... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is offtopic, but so was the parent. The FreeBSD project doesn't officially sponsor any IRC channels, and anyone can basically masquerade as someone important there. I'm sorry if you had bad experiences there, but IRC does not accurately reflect all FreeBSD users.

    7. Re:First thing to install on a Windows machine... by FuzzyBad-Mofo · · Score: 1

      What are the first 10 programs you would install on a Windows machine? How about for a Unix machine?

      If that's not trolling, I don't know what is. Most decent Unix/Linux distributions come with all the software you need for a useable system. So the question really becomes: What third-party apps do you need to make a closed source OS like Windoze remotely useable?

    8. Re:First thing to install on a Windows machine... by kaens · · Score: 1

      its fyodor dostoyevsky. just thought you'd like to know, considering he has one of the most confusing names to spell.

      and is one of the best authors. ever.

    9. Re:First thing to install on a Windows machine... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's also a malicious hacker. Or haven't you heard of the SDM scandal?

    10. Re:First thing to install on a Windows machine... by Ruzty · · Score: 1

      Actually there is no direct, proper spelling in our character set as his name is spelled in the Russian cyrillic character set. So, there are several accepted translated spellings.

      -Rusty

      --
      The Master (Angelo Rossitto) in Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome, "Not shit, energy!"
  13. TweakUI by Paladine97 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    TweakUI is the first thing I install. I can't stand the default Windows Explorer setup.

    1. Re:TweakUI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      that's the one, just cant live with the default speed of the start menu, easier to setup this way

    2. Re:TweakUI by Alan · · Score: 1

      Easier then to make firefox your first download then :)

    3. Re:TweakUI by sxtxixtxcxh · · Score: 1

      you've got windows explorer confused with internet explorer.

      --
      for a minute there, i lost myself...
    4. Re:TweakUI by mst76 · · Score: 1

      X-Setup beats the pants off TweakUI.

    5. Re:TweakUI by Kadagan+AU · · Score: 1

      I can't stand the default Windows Explorer setup.

      Then ditch Explorer and use geOShell (free [beer, and I think speach]) or Aston (cheap, and easier to use).

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    6. Re:TweakUI by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That one usually comes near the end of my top-ten (Kerio Personal Firewall is first on *any* internet-connected machine), but just before installing TweakUI I install KatMouse (http://kickme.to/katmouse ); it makes the scroll-wheel on your mouse more useful. Hugely useful and free (as in beer).

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      Moo

    7. Re:TweakUI by obeythefist · · Score: 1

      If I might recommend Autopatcher from the Neowin guys, it installs the Windows power tools and tweaks (including TweakUIXP) as well as some useful third party ones, and allows you to knock off windows media player and so on, as well as installing up to date patches. It's the absolute first thing that needs to go on a windows box before it gets connected to a network.

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      I am government man, come from the government. The government has sent me. -- G.I.R.
  14. My choices by avij · · Score: 4, Informative

    I think you missed Windows security fixes, Adobe Acrobat and WinSCP.

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    1. Re:My choices by chgros · · Score: 1

      Adobe Acrobat
      I started using ghostview for pdf since Acrobat (sorry, Adobe Reader) is so damn slow.

    2. Re:My choices by Lemmeoutada+Collecti · · Score: 4, Informative

      After Windows and Drivers, and before it touches the network:

      1) Anit-Virus
      2) AdAware
      3) Firewall (if necessary... if it's for home, it's behind 2 already)
      4) SP xx (From a CD)
      5) Security Updates (From CD)
      6) Mozilla/Firefox/etc. (From CD)
      7) Zip/RAR Proggie of the week (From the CD)
      8) The Windows CAB files
      9) From here on it depends on the purpose of the build, but the machine can now join my network

      --

      You can have it fast, accurate, or pretty. Pick any 2.
    3. Re:My choices by zoloto · · Score: 1

      Windows Update, Norton Internet Security Including Anti-Virus 200x (Pro/Corp) edition, Office 2003Pro (full install), Office Updates.

      Boot w/norton ghost, create partition image to a hidden fat32 partition. No need to reinstall. Wash, rinse repeat every 6-12 months. If something goes wrong, image the drive and presto, new system in 5 minutes.

    4. Re:My choices by isotropique · · Score: 1

      For a Windows install my choices are :

      1. ZoneAlarm Basic - Mandatory firewall
      2. Windows Update - Mandatory updates
      3. Mozilla - Why would you use Internet Explorer any longer?
      4. Winrar - This little program is doing its job
      5. Winamp
      6. Acrobat reader
      7. Putty - An efficient ssh client to communicate with your Linux boxes
      8. OpenOffice.org - Word processing
      9. Microsoft Office - Sometimes OpenOffice.org can't do the job...
      10. Adobe PhotoShop

      For Linux my choices are :

      1. Update your installation - yum, apt or up2date
      2. xmms-mp3 - Enable mp3 playback (freshrpms.net)
      3. mplayer - The best video player (mpg, avi, dvd) (freshrpms.net)
      4. perl-Video-DVDRip - Add a movie collection beside your music collection (freshrpms.net)
      5. CodeWeavers CrossOver Plugin - Enable Microsoft plugins in Mozilla
      6. Quicktime (via CrossOver Plugin)
      7. Windows media player (via CrossOver Plugin)
      8. Shockwave player (via CrossOver Plugin)
      9. CodeWeavers CrossOver Office - Run Windows application in Linux
      10. Microsoft Office (via CrossOver Office)

    5. Re:My choices by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Too bothersome.

      1. Unplug network cable
      2. Install XP
      3. Turn on XP's own firewall
      4. Plug in network cable
      5. Windowsupdate.
      (Optional 6. turn off XP's firewall)

      That's all it really needs. Once SP2 comes out and I get it slipstreamed on install CDs, the list reduces to "install" and "windowsupdate".

  15. Most important of all on Windoze Boxen... by SnowDeath · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Maybe if AVG/Mcafee/FProt/Norton Antivirus was among those 10, you wouldn't need to reinstall every month?

    Updated drivers followed by Antivirus and Mozilla is what goes on my Windoze boxen first.

    1. Re:Most important of all on Windoze Boxen... by Kenja · · Score: 4, Informative

      Maybe if you stop laucnhing all those "hotgirlz.jpg.exe" attachments and downloading warez you wouldn't need to install an antivirus program right away? Beleve it or not, but a virus will not just sneak into your system. It has to be put there.

      --

      "Have you ever thought about just turning off the TV, sitting down with your kids, and hitting them?"
    2. Re:Most important of all on Windoze Boxen... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So what you are saying is that Windows is completely secure from a fresh install?

    3. Re:Most important of all on Windoze Boxen... by Kenja · · Score: 2, Informative
      "So what you are saying is that Windows is completely secure from a fresh install?"

      Secure from what? Unless you downloaded a warez copy of Windows odds are it wont have a virus. Network security has nothing to do with antivirus software. Get a firewall, dont rely on the OS to provide security.

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      "Have you ever thought about just turning off the TV, sitting down with your kids, and hitting them?"
    4. Re:Most important of all on Windoze Boxen... by BagOBones · · Score: 2, Informative

      Depends if you have open shares and are on a domain.

      Also if you don't have your browser and email client patched there is a chance that a virus can be launched when you check your email or open a webpage.

      --
      EA David Gardner -"... but the consumers have proven that actually what they want is fun."
    5. Re:Most important of all on Windoze Boxen... by Kenja · · Score: 2, Informative
      "Depends if you have open shares and are on a domain."

      True, if there is another system with a virus on your network it can infect any open shares you have. But then again, in that case you have problems that a single install of an antivirus program wont fix.

      "Also if you don't have your browser and email client patched there is a chance that a virus can be launched when you check your email or open a webpage."

      By default even Outlook Express will prompt you before launcing an attachment. As for the webpage part, this has been claimed a lot, but no one has ever been able to point to a page that infects a computer.

      --

      "Have you ever thought about just turning off the TV, sitting down with your kids, and hitting them?"
    6. Re:Most important of all on Windoze Boxen... by Sevn · · Score: 1

      I can. I used to have one. Do a search for the you.swf file and accompanying index.html for it. The second you open the page it flashes YOU ARE AN IDIOT! and plays "You are and idiot! HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!" and flashes a bunch of times, then opens your browser 5,000 times and installs netbus if I remember. It only works with IE. There were versions that installed all kinds of badness. I had it up because I thought it was funny. It was almost a year later when someone pointed out that pc-cillian flipped out and detected the netbus install attempt that I even knew the copy I had put up on a page was infecting people. With no virus scanner installed, anyone could and I guess DID get infected by this web page and the ones like it. Here is the only thread I could find about it before anyone knew it was a payload delivery mechanism:

      Here

      It's just another javascript exploit, but as far as I know it's still a viable way to infect someone that isn't running anti-vir.

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    7. Re:Most important of all on Windoze Boxen... by transer · · Score: 1

      msblast is still out and about, and if you aren't patched far enough from the start (eg, installing from older discs), you've got a good chance of getting infected just by logging on. I usually keep a disc around with patches/firewall/AV software that I install before the machine gets on the network.

    8. Re:Most important of all on Windoze Boxen... by Patik · · Score: 0, Troll

      I'm pretty sure everyone who uses the word "boxen" is a virgin.

    9. Re:Most important of all on Windoze Boxen... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Eh? I have never had a problem with warez downloads - no viruses or anything.

      However, if you are talking about Kazaa etc then yes, you will have a problem. But that really isn't true 'warez'...

    10. Re:Most important of all on Windoze Boxen... by Too+Much+Noise · · Score: 1

      firewall and AV then go online for updates then Mozilla.

      unless you want to have some rpc worm deflower your virgen windows install before you even get a chance to update it. (and no, AVs don't catch that)

    11. Re:Most important of all on Windoze Boxen... by Kenja · · Score: 0
      Interesting, however I've not yet found any information about "you.swf" other then an animation of a singing cat called "i love you.swf". As for the javascript, can't be done. You can make things that LOOK like a virus/torjan/etc but you cannot write to the local file system.

      Bottom line is however that even if you can get a virus via a web page, thats more an issue with your browsing habbits then the need to have an antivirus installed first thing.

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      "Have you ever thought about just turning off the TV, sitting down with your kids, and hitting them?"
    12. Re:Most important of all on Windoze Boxen... by b0bby · · Score: 1

      I don't run antivirus on my W2K box at home - it's behind a linux firewall, and my wife & I don't open random junk. I do an online scan once a year or so, and I've never yet had a virus. I have set it to do automatic updates, though.

    13. Re:Most important of all on Windoze Boxen... by dhasenan · · Score: 2, Informative

      Unless you're on a university LAN, in which case you're lucky to go an hour without getting new versions of Netsky, Blaster, and half a dozen others. So I installed Linux, and everything's running about 10% faster, doing only what I tell it to, and no viruses. Except I occasionally get an email saying I've been spreading Netsky--and I just laugh.

    14. Re:Most important of all on Windoze Boxen... by subVorkian · · Score: 1

      yup -- I'm gonna follow that link. You bet. Can't resist, must resist...

    15. Re:Most important of all on Windoze Boxen... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      > As for the javascript, can't be done ... you cannot write to the local file system.

      You are ignorant of all of the "local machine zone" vulnerabilities in IE. It can be and is done all the time.

    16. Re:Most important of all on Windoze Boxen... by horatio · · Score: 1

      While you have a point about not relying on the OS to provide security, the same is true for a firewall. One should never rely on a single layer for security. Single layers fail or are compromised all the time. I wish it was that simple. Never, ever should the OS be the weakest layer.

      I loathe Windows not because it is a microsoft product, but rather because of how it is built. Fools like reddigitaldragon make it worse with crap like "I reinstall every month ... get over it" as if this was normal or acceptable.

      The core OS of windows is too damn slow, so they put subsystems into the kernel which don't belong to try to make it appear to run faster. This creates an inherentley insecure and unstable environment, because there is no privilege seperation between subsystems and the kernel. Often times applications are allowed or must access those subsystems directly for one reason or another. Hence, it is trivial for an application to take over, crash (intentionally or otherwise), etc the entire system from the kernel level.

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    17. Re:Most important of all on Windoze Boxen... by Humpinate · · Score: 1

      Yeah, RIGHT !!!!! RTFA, and then rub a few brain cells together to get the POINT. You see, the POINT is Viruses DO "Just Appear" on your boxen, just by "surfing the web" and looking at nothing more tittilating than Fark. You know, with that same attitude, THOUSANDS of little boxen are being infected by PASSIVE pass-through virii, and so on and so on...and You certainly won't be part of the solution, now WILL YOU?

    18. Re:Most important of all on Windoze Boxen... by alonsoac · · Score: 1

      But how could you not launch a file with a name like that? What the hell would I need a computer for if someone sends me a hot screensaver named pamela_action.scr and I am "not supposed to open it."

      I joke because I use RedHat 7.3 and have not needed to reinstall in about 2 years. So I wouldn't know what this story is about.

    19. Re:Most important of all on Windoze Boxen... by nitz7978 · · Score: 0

      Here Here, I was reading down the lists and saw about 3 people that had AV listed. Personally, that goes on before any service packs and before it connects to the internet. Then it connects and i get the updated dats and engine. After that, all XP, W2k, or W2k3 Patches and service packs. That and make sure you have a good firewall, clarkconnect for me, and you cut the time you have to rebuild down considerably. Just a thought though.

    20. Re:Most important of all on Windoze Boxen... by DeltaSigma · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Wish I could mod you up.
      1. I haven't had a virus on my Win2k box in years
      2. I haven't had an anti-virus program or spyware removal program ever
    21. Re:Most important of all on Windoze Boxen... by madcow_ucsb · · Score: 1

      I haven't had a virus on my Win2k box in years
      I haven't had an anti-virus program or spyware removal program ever


      At the risk of asking the obvious - if you don't have a virus scanner, how do you know you don't have viruses?

      That said, I haven't gotten a virus in years either (although I always have a scanner lurking just in case). NAV used to go absolutely *crazy* if I plugged into the LAN on campus with file-sharing enabled, though...

    22. Re:Most important of all on Windoze Boxen... by DeltaSigma · · Score: 1

      Well, it is possible I'm infected, but there's been no adverse effects of it if I am. No increase in network traffic, no bizarre entries on the task manager, no registry oddities...

      ...and above all, no crashes or lack of responsiveness.

    23. Re:Most important of all on Windoze Boxen... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      [i]...and above all, no crashes or lack of responsiveness.[/i] There is no chance you are running Windows then.

  16. Mine? by grub · · Score: 5, Informative


    Well, I use my PC as a game box with some browsing only (with SSH if I need to access one of the unixish machines) so here's my stuff:

    10 : Spybot Search & Destroy (Excellent spyware killer)
    9 : Spyware Blaster (Recommended by Spybot author to run concurrently)
    8 : Some form of browser.
    7 : PuTTY (SSH client w/ tunnelling)
    6 : Thief (awesome game)
    5 : Thief 2 (more Thief!)
    4 : Darkloader (allows one to run custom fan missions in the Thief games)
    3 : System Shock 2 (creepy sci-fi rp/fps)
    2 : For those days I feel like a slug-fest? Doomsday and the ol' Doom games. (adds real 3D and all the video card eye candy to Doom/Heretic/etc. A MUST HAVE!)
    1 : Half Life You know it! (still has one of the best stories of any game around)

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    1. Re:Mine? by Leffe · · Score: 1

      10 : Spybot Search & Destroy [safer-networking.org] (Excellent spyware killer)
      9 : Spyware Blaster [javacoolsoftware.com] (Recommended by Spybot author to run concurrently)
      8 : Some form of browser. [mozilla.org]


      Did Mozilla fail it or do you just install them to get rid of any preinstalled spyware ;)?

    2. Re:Mine? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nethack w/saved games and bones
      What else is there?

    3. Re:Mine? by grub · · Score: 1


      heheheh... I like it for destroying evil that sneaks through Firefox (my preference).

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      Trolling is a art,
    4. Re:Mine? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where's Deus Ex? It comes from the same creator as the thief series, and is quite possibly the best game out there. I assume you haven't tried it, otherwise it would be on your list...

    5. Re:Mine? by cortana · · Score: 1

      maybe he was put off the original by the sequel. ;p

    6. Re:Mine? by jackbird · · Score: 1

      How do you get Thief to install? My Thief Gold CD won't run the install on NT/2k/XP...

    7. Re:Mine? by Chyeld · · Score: 1

      You have to give the installer a flag to force it to install, even though it thinks you shouldn't. Read here to find out how.

    8. Re:Mine? by abe+ferlman · · Score: 1

      or you could install linux and play it under wine like I'm doing. Warms my heart when I can play games that windows users no longer can.

      --
      microsoftword.mp3 - it doesn't care that they're not words...
  17. First 10? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    First 10 upon a windows install. Blablaantispamfilter:

    APserver
    Winamp
    Mirc
    FlashFXP
    Powertoys
    DivX
    Ethereal
    Photoshop
    Nero
    ATI MMC

  18. Here... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Windows:

    Firefox
    30 or so patches and 1 service pack
    Trillian
    bersirc
    Office
    visual studio
    Thunderbird
    Nero
    C&C Generals: Zero Hour
    gvim

    Linux:

    gnome
    evolution
    firefox
    thunderbird
    vim/gvim
    synaptic
    gaim
    xchat
    dashboard
    xbill ;)

  19. Quick Everyone! He uses Windows! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    In the long honored tradition of slashbots, we must all mark him as foe and shame him for using an OS different from our own. For shame! For shame! How darest thou useth Windows, and how darest the Editors post a story that proclaims that windows is a good OS!!! Mark him as foe, mark him as foe I say!

    For those who are wondering, I use Linux, but have many friends who use windows because, quite frankly, they have no business using Linux. All they do is play games. Windows is great for certain uses, just not any of my uses... uh, I mean, FOR SHAME!

    1. Re:Quick Everyone! He uses Windows! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As of 2:55 EDT, he has 13 freaks, lets see how high we can push it!

    2. Re:Quick Everyone! He uses Windows! by Thomas+A.+Anderson · · Score: 4, Interesting

      In the long honored tradition of slashbots, we must all mark him as foe and shame him for using an OS different from our own. For shame! For shame! How darest thou useth Windows, and how darest the Editors post a story that proclaims that windows is a good OS!!! Mark him as foe, mark him as foe I say!


      This is too good to be true. Not only are we asked to not make fun of a windows user, but one who re-installs his OS every month!

      What I want to know is *why* he reinstalls his OS every month. As much as I like to make fun of windows, there's no way it should degrade this fast (or at all with proper care and feeding).

      So, fess up, what *are* you doing wrong?

      --
      Personally its not God I dislike, its his fan club I cant stand (bash.org)
    3. Re:Quick Everyone! He uses Windows! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Curses! One of my super-foes has set a trap!

      Sorry, just felt like saying that - feel free to hit me wit'yo moddin' stick!

    4. Re:Quick Everyone! He uses Windows! by plover · · Score: 1
      And so, as a Linux user, you post anonymously. For more shame! What are you hiding from? Stand up and be counted, man!

      At least he had the courage required to create a troll account before admitting that he's a Windows user ...

      --
      John
    5. Re:Quick Everyone! He uses Windows! by Dystopian+Rebel · · Score: 1
      How darest thou useth Windows, and how darest the Editors post a story that proclaims that windows is a good OS!!!

      Odzooks! I bite my thumb at thee, Sir, for thou speakest Elizabethan as well as Sir Ballmer doth prattle Securitarian.

      --
      Rich And Stupid is not so bad as Working For Rich And Stupid.
    6. Re:Quick Everyone! He uses Windows! by reddigitaldragon · · Score: 1

      Indeed. (Not to start another thread, but) I use Windows. I'm learning Linux. I currently use Yarrow but started with Red Hat 6. Windows has its advantages over Linux. Linux has its advantages over Windows.

    7. Re:Quick Everyone! He uses Windows! by jez9999 · · Score: 1

      He's installing McAfee and after a month his ADSL internet connection has mysteriously dropped to 2k/second.

    8. Re:Quick Everyone! He uses Windows! by Frederic54 · · Score: 1

      I'd like to see the /. statistics, what is the % of people browsing /. who use IE on windows, or even firefox on windows? certainly more than 50% for sure

      --
      "Science will win because it works." - Stephen Hawking
    9. Re:Quick Everyone! He uses Windows! by incom · · Score: 1

      Strange how all the people modded up so far have listed windows apps. Maybe slashdot isn't the monoculture you believe(or maybe it is, but on the windows side like most of the world). Anyway, here is my Linux list(no windows list, sorry.);
      I'll consider bash, the gnu toolchain etc as part of the system.
      1)X
      2)fluxbox
      3)xmms
      4)kde
      5)firefox
      6)gaim
      7)Quake3
      8)The Gimp
      9)OpenOffice.org
      10)Kdevelop
      -----
      11)Xchat
      12)Ltris
      13)Inkscape
      14)K3b
      15)Gnome

      --
      True genius is grasping a situation like a peice of fruit, and peircing it just right so that it drains dry.
    10. Re:Quick Everyone! He uses Windows! by Eskarel · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Well, lately of course I've been mucking about with testing different versions of Linux and generally screwing up my system royally so I've been reinstalling weekly, but that's a different story.

      As for monthly reformats. Assuming you have a second drive or a second partition to keep stuff like documents and downloaded versions of your favorite programs, the whole process takes only a couple of hours(less if you set up the updates ahead of time, clears out all the junk on your system and gives you a more stable and efficient box).

      Most of the time of course this isn't totally necessary(so long as you get your firewall and virus scanner up quickly enough), but especially if you're screwing around with lots of different new software and such it can sometimes become more necessary.

    11. Re:Quick Everyone! He uses Windows! by bakes · · Score: 1

      What I want to know is *why* he reinstalls his OS every month

      Why, it's to avoid that pesky "activation" thing of course!

      --
      Ho! Haha! Guard! Turn! Parry! Dodge! Spin! Ha! Thrust!
    12. Re:Quick Everyone! He uses Windows! by dewke · · Score: 1

      That's hardly a fair assessment.

      Right now i'm using firefox on windows. Sometimes I use IE (work), galeon 1.2 (I prefer it's tab handling to firefox, but it's quickly becoming dated) or firefox on linux. I use whatever browser is available on whatever pc I'm using at the moment.

      --
      Oderint dum metuant
  20. *nix anyone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Cygwin

    1. Re:*nix anyone? by bobthecow · · Score: 1

      Yup. That's top on my list. Gets me most of what I need.

  21. What? by Dr_LHA · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Why the hell would anyone need to reinstall an entire OS every month? I mean - I know Windows is bad, but come on - its ridiculous.

    I have 4 computers that I work on and all of them have not been formatted since I first purchased them. Am I strange or something. I'm using Linux, Win2K and Mac OSX on the various machines. Am I odd?

    1. Re:What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1
      Nope, you are not odd. Something is very very wrong if he has to re-install every month. He must love to install all those 'free offers' for garbage apps off web pages.

      If anyone with even half a clue had to reinstall so often for very very bizarre legitimate reasons, they would install the OS, plus all the common apps they use, then make a ghost image of the hard drive to re-image back fresh each time rather than re-installing stuff over and over and over. zeesh!

    2. Re:What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      did you ever run win95 or win98 back in the day?

    3. Re:What? by ghostlibrary · · Score: 5, Funny

      This is proof that Windows is easier to install than Linux-- obviously, Linux users are too scared to reinstall their OS every month, whereas for Windows, it's a joy!

      --
      A.
    4. Re:What? by RedHat+Rocky · · Score: 3, Funny

      Right. It's certainly not because the system remains stable over time. I mean, what fun would that be if the machine just worked for years at a time?

      --
      Anything is possible given time and money.
    5. Re:What? by jawtheshark · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Nope, same here. Well, I usally install the machines myself when I buy them. My Windows machines don't get unstable, I guess I manage them well. Of course, I have this strict policy of not installing any crap "for just trying out". I've got my list of proggies that I need, and only those end up on my machine.

      Not going to make a top-10 list, but programs I always install are: PuTTY, Adobe Acrobat Reader, Mozilla, Eudora (I'm a registred user), Ad-Aware, Norton Anti-Virus (I have a 5 seat license) on my machines and AVG on machines I install for friends, OpenOffice, VLC for DVD playback, CDEx for ripping, Nero, WinAmp, GhostScript/GhostView and finally WinZip. If the station is for me I also add Eclipse and some games I own, and that's it.

      This all on Windows 2000, because I'm completely lost in XP. My girlfriend runs XP (in german, irks!) and I usually have to look all over the place to find the most basic things. It *always* has at least one spyware or at least one virus hanging around. Probably her little brother surfing some special sites....

      On the road I have my iBook and that one never gives problems either. Server is OpenBSD and I play around with Linux when I feel like it.

      --
      Ahhh...the great dumpster continuum. Many a free computer will be found there. -- sowth (748135)
    6. Re:What? by toiletmonster · · Score: 1

      well at work we are doing extreme programming. which means i am supposed to change computers everyday or every week at least.

      if we used unix/nfs this wouldn't be a problem, but we use windows98 so every time i change computers i get to install my preferred settings, browser, development tools, etc. wahoo.

      i work in a lab of about 20 machines though, so i only have to do it about 20 times. some programs i can put on a shared drive, but i still have to set up shortcuts and some programs have registry keys and stuff so mostly it just sucks a lot.

    7. Re:What? by Leffe · · Score: 1

      I still run Windows 98 (and not the overrated second edition or whatever it is called either) and I've reformatted twice in the 7 or so years I've had it.

      At the moment my install is very stable, I've been able to eliminate (well... not that I did anything, really) most of the annoying bugs (screen-messed-up-on-startup, sound-messed-up-on-startup). The biggest problem I still have is when I delete many files after not having rebooted for a while. Parts of explorer will simply hang for a few minutes. One solution I've found is to restart explorer, just ctrl-alt-delete, kill explorer and windows will respawn a new one without the bug :)

      Oh, and my mouse is pretty crappy, but that has got nothing to do with Windows.

      And just to make everyone happy: I'm dualbooting Gentoo ;)

    8. Re:What? by Aqua+OS+X · · Score: 1

      Nah. Linux, Win2k and OS X are fairly reliable. I could see potential headaches with the Win2k box every once and a while, nevertheless, Win2k is the least obnoxious OS from the Windows family.

      Now, if you were running Win 9x, WinXP, and MacOS OS 9 machines... that's be a different story :)

      --
      "Things are more moderner than before- bigger, and yet smaller- it's computers-- San Dimas High School football RULES!"
    9. Re:What? by TwistedSquare · · Score: 2

      Even experienced users can have to reinstall, its just a matter of the cost of reinstalling vs the mess you're in. Case in point - last month I changed motherboard on my windows PC (to move to a shuttle). I moved everything over to the new case, then win2k wouldnt boot - the IDE chipset was different. I couldnt get the 2k machine to boot by using the cd or any form of rescue disk, I had no other windows machines to put the disk in, I just wanted to use my PC so... reinstall :)

    10. Re:What? by ccwaterz · · Score: 1

      Well, when I was unemployed 2 summers ago, my machine had a different distro on it every week or so. Damn I was bored, but I definitely learned a lot.

      Normally though, I tend to keep a steady Debian Sid install... The last time I had to reinstall was this winter when I accidently left a laptop in the car overnight and froze the HD.

    11. Re:What? by jared_hanson · · Score: 1

      I'm using Linux, Win2K and Mac OSX on the various machines.

      Here's the deal:

      Mac OSX - Set-up well by default and tends to stay that way even under heavy use. Keeps running smoothly.

      Linux - Can be tough to maintain, but if you are using it you probably keep a pretty tight reign over things. This keeps it running smoothly.

      Windows - Shitty default set-up and lax security leads to virusus and spyware running rampant after a few expeditions onto the Internet. Multitude of installed programs clutter up the filesystem. After a while starts to significantly slow down.

      I'm guessing since you use Linux and Mac OS X, you don't use Windows too much, so you don't notice the slow down. I used to reformat Windows at least twice a year. Now I stick to OS X and Linux and am in heaven.

      --
      -- Fighting mediocrity one bad post at a time.
    12. Re:What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, get with the times buddy. You should be scheduling a re-install to coincide with microsoft releasing their security updates every month. Sheesh.

    13. Re:What? by ticktockticktock · · Score: 1

      Interesting. Sometimes when explorer locks up for me and I kill it, it never reloads until I alt-tab to one app I already have open and use their File -> Open dialog to run "Explorer.exe" from the Windows folder. If I didn't have any apps open at the time *sometimes* it reloads, and sometimes I just have nothing but wallpaper until I forcefully reboot.

    14. Re:What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I did. My last install on one of my machines was to correct that mistake. Unfortunately, since I still needed to use some of my Windows apps, I could only upgrade to Win2K.

      The second someone writes some screenplay authoring software for Linux that reads/writes Final Draft .fdr's, I am so done with Windows. I'd do it, but I need software that works.

    15. Re:What? by LurkerXXX · · Score: 1
      uhh, so you do this every week??? Ever think about making a small .bat file and a .reg file to put in all your registry keys and shortcuts, etc?

      Write the script once, then just quickly run that one tiny script each week... I think you'll find you save a lot of time and frustration.

    16. Re:What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My parents run win95. Their box is going on 4 years since the previous (and only) reinstall.

      I run win98. 2 years, HD died, install on new HD hasn't been reinstalled at all and it's been over 2 years.

      That's hardly "every month"

    17. Re:What? by MMaestro · · Score: 1
      Why the hell would anyone need to reinstall an entire OS every month? I mean - I know Windows is bad, but come on - its ridiculous.

      I guess it would depend on what you're doing. If you're Joe Average and the most intense things you do on your computer is play PC games, watch movies, and surf the net, you won't need to reformat often at all.

      On the other hand, if you're John Poweruser and you run a file server, download, install, and uninstall numerous times over a short period of time, not run Scandisk every so often, not run Disk Defragmenter often, make undescriptive folder names and put big unused files in them, as well as attempt to self-teach yourself how to hack into your own Windows OS... the list just goes on and on. After all, at the very least, do you remember where you put every installation program for each of your drives? What about updates? Downloaded movies and mp3s? Those digital pictures you took from last vacation? What about the 4 different revisions of your big company project? A reinstallation of an entire OS give a good opportunity (ie. excuse) to reformat your hard drive.

    18. Re:What? by Schnapple · · Score: 1

      I had to reinstall XP last week for the first time in over a year and a half. This marks the first time I had to pay to renew NAV Definitions as well.

    19. Re:What? by rabidlamb · · Score: 1

      dude... 98 first edition was shit. I'm sorry, but it was (notice the past tense.. as in it "used" to exist). I'm glad you use Gentoo, but that doesn't really make up for 98 first edition. You don't have any USB devices???; because first edition didn't support them. I will say that I liked 98 SE, and that it was sort of considered stable untill 2000 came out, and then XP has 2000 beat in stability and performance. None of them can beat a well crafted Linux of couse, but XP's ok if you don't mind M$ looking in on what you're doing. But, anything's better than first edition (well... other than ME.. wow was that a bag of crap).

      --
      Common sense isn't.
    20. Re:What? by Leffe · · Score: 1

      Actually I'm not sure if the ctrl-alt-delete method works... can't remember if it does, what I can remember is that I will try to reboot the computer (if the start menu is working, most of the time it is), when I do Windows will ask me what to do about explorer - there I choose to kill it and it is thus respawned :)

      Hmm... I just tried to ctrl-alt-delete kill explorer, at first I got a shotdown computer prompt - clicking cancel or something there got me the killing prompt, clicking yes there made explorer lag for a while and possibly respawn :/

    21. Re:What? by AbbyNormal · · Score: 1

      hehe...Some people just have the gift. I have run WinXP on my laptop (dual boot with Mandrake), for over a year, installing/uninstalling everything under the sun. No problems at all.

      My Dad bought a copy of WinXP Home, did a complete clean install on his harddrive, and within a few weeks he had to do it again. I believe he gave up counting how many re-installs he had done on Win98.

      I keep telling him he needs to go WORK for M$, as he has probably found 99% of their critical flaws for them.

      --
      Sig it.
    22. Re:What? by xoran99 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You're not strange, but different people are... Well, different. It depends on how you use your system. For instance, if you use them mostly for work, don't do many upgrades, or have no fun in life, then you won't have to do many reinstalls. If you use your system for recreation, sometimes it's just easier to reinstall everything than to go through and clean out everything that you've installed over the past months, like that guitar tuning program or Real Player (bleh). Back when I didn't have internet, I would reinstall very often because all my data was on a separate hard drive and I didn't have to download 45 updates to ensure that my computer wouldn't be cracked. NOTHING beats the silky smooth feeling of a freshly installed OS.

      --

      Karma: Bad (mostly due to all those "In Soviet Russia" jokes)

    23. Re:What? by NineNine · · Score: 1

      Windows - Shitty default set-up and lax security leads to virusus and spyware running rampant after a few expeditions onto the Internet. Multitude of installed programs clutter up the filesystem. After a while starts to significantly slow down.

      I would suggest not installing everything that you can download. I've never re-installed any of my Windows 2000 machines. Ever. I've got about 10 doing various things from web serving, playing games, acting as point of sale systems, etc.

    24. Re:What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How is XP less reliable on Windows 2000? Have you used it (it doesn't sound like it)? They're really about the same.

    25. Re:What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Extreme programming? Win98? WTF? Wouldn't it be more efficient to give everyone a machine they code on?

      Do you code on a random machine each day, or these machines in a testing lab?

    26. Re:What? by Leffe · · Score: 1

      USB

      At the moment, no. My only two USB devices(super optical mouse and webcam) are plugged into my other computer running XP.

      BUT: The webcam does work with my Windows 98! I'm quite sure I used the USB mouse here a while too.

      I can not see a single difference between FE and SE, too bad.

    27. Re:What? by jared_hanson · · Score: 1

      I've never re-installed any of my Windows 2000 machines. Ever.

      I'm one step ahead of you. I am never again installing Windows. Ever.

      --
      -- Fighting mediocrity one bad post at a time.
    28. Re:What? by eofpi · · Score: 1

      Until I switched sound cards in November, I had to reinstall WinXP every couple months because of incompatibilities between the old sound card (SoundBlaster Live! 5.1 Gamer) and the motherboard (Tyan Thunder K7). With the new sound card, it's going on 8 months since the last reinstall.

      Incidentally, the single most stable machine I've ever had is a P200mmx box that ran Win95osr2.1 until I put Linux on it a couple years back.

      --
      Y'know, you blow up one sun and suddenly everyone expects you to walk on water.
    29. Re:What? by nick_danger · · Score: 1

      Of course I use Gentoo Linux...


      ...and it takes a month just to install.

    30. Re:What? by Auckerman · · Score: 1

      "On the other hand, if you're John Poweruser and you run a file server, download, install, and uninstall numerous times over a short period of time,"

      I am now 100% convinced that a properly designed OS doesn't need installers. Applications should be self contained and not dump into the system. Making all of this moot.

      "not run Scandisk every so often, not run Disk Defragmenter often"

      Is this necissary on Windows anymore, I thought Windows did on the fly defragging like most major OS vendors do now? Serious question.

      "make undescriptive folder names and put big unused files in them

      Putting files into folders shouldn't bog your OS down. If it does, the OS you are using is seriously broken.

      "as well as attempt to self-teach yourself how to hack into your own Windows OS"

      This is legimate, fiddling with things you don't understand on the system level for learning purposes may from time to time require a reinstall, but never a format.

      "do you remember where you put every installation program for each of your drives?"

      No, because I can't remember the last time I used an installer to put something in /Applications

      "Downloaded movies and mp3s? Those digital pictures you took from last vacation? "

      They are in my home directory with is never touched by the OS installer. I also back them up to CD in case of drive failure.

      "What about the 4 different revisions of your big company project?"

      If you working on a "big company project" and don't have at least ONE offsite backup, you deserve any borking you get when your system fails.

      "A reinstallation of an entire OS give a good opportunity (ie. excuse) to reformat your hard drive.

      Why is formatting your harddrive a good thing? I can't think of a single reason why an harddrive would benifit from such a thing. Perhaps you could enlighten me.

      --

      Burn Hollywood Burn
    31. Re:What? by Radix37 · · Score: 2, Funny
      Now, if you were running Win 9x ... that's be a different story

      Just an FYI, I've got the same windows 95 installaton for 4.5 years now and it works fine. It would be even longer if my hard drive hadn't died back then! I still use it because I never got a copy of 98, ME sucks, and 2k/xp are too slow for my 450 mhz.

      --
      Speed Demos Archive - Lots of speed runs!
    32. Re:What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can get a Run dialog even when Explorer has died on you. Just hit CTRL + ALT + DEL, go to task manager, then File > New Task.

      Or... CTRL + ALT + DEL, T, ALT + F, N. Memorize it.

    33. Re:What? by ChicagoBiker · · Score: 1
      Nope, not odd at all. I'm the same, except I just use Mac OS X.

      Matter of fact, I've been using Mac OS of one flavor or another since 1992 and other than version upgrades, which were done as "updates/upgrades" and not "fresh" or "clean" installs, I don't think I've ever but maybe twice had to do a complete re-install of the OS.

      My "old" machine (purchased 1999) is still up and running as a server now and has never been wiped or reinstalled and my current machine (purchased 2002) is running OS X and has never been wiped or reinstalled either. The new one came with 10.1 and has been upgraded to 10.2 and 10.3. I've never turned the machine off since the day I set it up and have done nothing to it other than restarted it when necessary. Oh wait, I defragged the hard drive once about a year and a half ago, but other than that, nothing.

      I've never had to re-install any of the applications either.

      They're Mac's; they just work!

    34. Re:What? by RanmaSan · · Score: 1

      I've been running the same install of Windows XP on my home-built PC since XP originally went gold nearly 4 years ago.

      It has been through three motherboard upgrades with three different chipsets (BX -> 850 -> 875P), the install drive has been imaged and upgraded multiple times and it has survived system file corruption due to bad RAM.

      To this day the system is solid as a rock, and is used for everything from software development and gaming, to acting as my home music studio. It's unfortunate that the answer to so many people's computer problems is throw up their hands and say, "Welp, Windows sucks, I guess it's time to format again!". The NT kernel is very stable when given quality components and basic maintenance practices.

      -Mark

    35. Re:What? by Eil · · Score: 1


      Am I odd?

      Not at all. I am of the same opinion. I've got WinXP Home that came with my laptop. The only thing that ever gets that machine down is some crufty USB drivers. My workstation is FreeBSD, which never needs to be reinstalled due to the extreme ease of upgrading. (Ran 5.1 on it for the longest time.) My server, however, still runs Slackware 8.0. Primarily because a) I haven't had to time to upgrade it b) it's Slackware, so it's extra easy to maintain c) it does so many different things that getting them all going again on a new OS would break my network for a week and d) it sits there under the desk doing its thing and *never* complains.

      Software upgrades, including the OS, are only for critical bugfixes and must-have features. Anything else is just wasting your time.

    36. Re:What? by toiletmonster · · Score: 1

      the thing is most windows installers are graphical. i could make the .bat script run the installer but i would still have to click through all the windows. i guess i could dig through my machine and figure out where the installer put each of the bazillion files it puked onto my system, but jeez what a pain.

      besides i'm a contractor. i'll be gone in a month and how many companies out there are using extreme programming. hopefully not very many.

    37. Re:What? by Zathrus · · Score: 1

      You can change motherboards in Windows without having to reinstall. You just have to do a repair install part of the way and it should be happy (should being the operative term).

      I couldnt get the 2k machine to boot by using the cd or any form of rescue disk

      So, uh... how did you reinstall 2k then?

      Not that a repair install could've helped you at that point. Once you booted the HD with the new MB you were pretty well screwed.

      More info on how to accomplish a MB swap w/o a full reinstall is available here and here.

      Yes, Linux does it better. I'm not disputing that. But changing out a MB doesn't necessarily mean you must reinstall (it used to though).

    38. Re:What? by NaugaHunter · · Score: 1

      A long time ago I was having trouble with a Windows machine and a coworker told me to reinstall Windows. I said "What?" He said "Oh yes, I do about once a month."

      I asked him if he also reinstalled his car engine once a month, but I just got a blank stare.

      I mean, back when there were carburetors people would occasionally rebuild them, but it wasn't exactly your standard maintenance.

      --
      R: That voice. Where have I heard that voice before? B: In about 365 other episodes. But I don't know who it is either.
    39. Re:What? by zurab · · Score: 1

      My guess is that he's got a pirated Windows 2003 (.net) server that comes with 30 day evaluation period, with required activation. He can't crack the activation, so he reinstalls it every 30 days. Suggestion: either purchase the license, or use something less expensive, or free.

      Seriously now, when I do a new install or an upgrade, 95% of the programs I use will be handled with/by the initial installation process. Other than bug fixes and upgrades, about the only program I add on top of the initial SUSE install is MPlayer with associated libraries.

    40. Re:What? by CGP314 · · Score: 1

      When I was in college, (and using windows) we called it a recreational reinstall. : )


      -Colin

    41. Re:What? by Slack3r78 · · Score: 1
      Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]
      (C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp.

      C:\Documents and Settings\Slacker>systeminfo

      Host Name: CHAOTIC
      OS Name: Microsoft Windows XP Professional
      OS Version: 5.1.2600 Service Pack 2, v.2096 Build 2600
      OS Manufacturer: Microsoft Corporation
      OS Configuration: Standalone Workstation
      OS Build Type: Uniprocessor Free
      Registered Owner: Slacker
      Registered Organization: Chaotic Design
      Product ID: xxxxx-xxx-xxxxx-xxxxx
      Original Install Date: 6/9/2003, 5:13:39 PM
      Running completely stable, spyware/virus scans done about once every 3 months and they always come up clean, except for a couple of cookies from the rare times I'm forced to use IE for a site.

      This box is used for LAN gaming and gets software installed, uninstalled, and updated on it constantly, so it's not like the software configuration is set in stone.

      Keeping a Windows box running stable and clean is NOT that hard these days if you don't install every cute little widget you find on the web.
    42. Re:What? by beegle · · Score: 1

      Last fall, I took a class with a bunch of CS seniors (in fact, you had to be at least a senior in the BS program to get in). One of the people in the class:

      -Ran no AV program because -real- geeks don't get viruses, and the AV programs "slow his machine down too much".

      -Ran every p2p app under the sun

      -Claimed that Linux was just as insecure as Windows, except that it was the huge Windows userbase that was responsible for the number of viruses.

      -Reinstalled Windows every month "to keep it running well".

      The dude just didn't get it.

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    43. Re:What? by FattMattP · · Score: 1

      Ahh, I knew someone from Microsoft's PR department was reading Slashdot. Now I know they post, too. :-)

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    44. Re:What? by Osty · · Score: 1

      the thing is most windows installers are graphical. i could make the .bat script run the installer but i would still have to click through all the windows. i guess i could dig through my machine and figure out where the installer put each of the bazillion files it puked onto my system, but jeez what a pain.

      Wrong. Most graphical installers also support a "silent" installation where you can give it the necessary parameters either on the commandline or through a config file. This is especially true if you're dealing with a MSI installer, rather than older InstallShield Setup.exe installers. Check out msiexec.


      besides i'm a contractor. i'll be gone in a month and how many companies out there are using extreme programming. hopefully not very many

      If using a different workstation every day is your employer's idea of XP, they're completely missing the point. Hell, you don't even need pair programming to successfully use XP. The core is a testing-first mentality and short cycles making incremental improvements and refactoring.

    45. Re:What? by Slack3r78 · · Score: 1

      You're about the 15,000th person I've seen that thinks Win2K and XP are somehow fundamentally different. They're the same basic core OS, only XP has a slightly newer and a different GUI by default. Just because it defaults to the Playskool UI does NOT mean it is in any way less stable.

    46. Re:What? by reddigitaldragon · · Score: 1

      I reinstall because I get that not so fresh feeling..or because it crashed (tis Windows (XP has not encounterred a crash requiring a reinstall) I say) and I'm lazy and I don't want to troubleshoot...or switching OSes or radioactive dust has contaminated it.

    47. Re:What? by strobert · · Score: 1

      Well, in my case, people tend to think I am odd, but I use beleive in knowing what is on my boxes, so I have automated installs (using kickstart) that will bring a box fully up and configured.

      So what is nice, I can thrash a box with trying things out and then once I figure out what changes I want to keep (and more importantly what changes I don't want) I can integrate those into the install script and re-install.

      now I do have some machines I don't do that to as often, but they don't get "played with". they just get package installs/upgrades done to them.

      What a lot of my practicies boil down to is I always want to be abel to reproduce a box. and the only thing I want to have to pull from backup tapes is data not metadata.

    48. Re:What? by Slack3r78 · · Score: 1

      One of my main systems (for gaming, mostly) is a Windows XP box. Check my comment history in this thread and you'll see that I've already posted an excerpt from the system info showing that the original install date was from last June - ie: when the machine was built. It's a *little* slower than it was on a fresh install, but it's still completely stable.

      I prefer X and Linux myself as well, but Win2k/XP only have problems if you manage the system poorly.

    49. Re:What? by Hecubas · · Score: 1

      Guessing the guy is clever enough to know how to install things, but not enough to know how to keep a system tuned. It's my firm belief that a well maintained XP/2000 system can run stable without any monthly purgings. If you're experiencing trouble you either need to remove some spyware or update a driver or two, easy. That being said here's some of my zero-day install items for a windows machine:

      * Windows Updates!
      * Latest Directx
      * Video drivers
      * Mobo/chipset drivers
      * FireFox
      * Winamp
      * PuTTy
      * VNC
      * TextPad
      * Adobe Acrobat Reader
      * Yahoo IM (blech, but all my friends are on it)

      Things I loathe to install but usually do anyways:
      * RealAudio
      * Shockwave
      * Flash
      * Quicktime
      Then I promptly disable all their system tray junk and hunt out their startup services and disable them.

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    50. Re:What? by Slack3r78 · · Score: 1

      The guy obviously wasn't that bright, but I actually agree with him on the AV thing. I've seen programs like NAV cause conflicts with other software enough times that I'll take my chances. I still do a scan every 3-4 months, but I come up clean every time. As long as you're careful about what you download and install, there's not much to worry about, so I'll do without the added overhead of AV in the background, thanks. :)

    51. Re:What? by edxwelch · · Score: 1

      "Why the hell would anyone need to reinstall an entire OS every month?"
      There is a flaw built into Windows. Your user profile (NTUSER.DAT) explands continuously and eventually gets so big that it slows down the system (although it takes about a year before you can notice). Re-installing Windows initialises the file.

    52. Re:What? by b0bby · · Score: 1

      Next time, move the drive back to the old motherboard, then change the settings to use the generic ide drivers and move it back. That usually sorts it out. Also do that before ghosting.

    53. Re:What? by jared_hanson · · Score: 1

      Yes, I agree with you that it is a problem of poor management. I meticulously manage all my systems, however, despite this Windows has a slow degredation in performance over time. The pace is much worse for your typical user who doesn't get concerned with these things.

      As an extreme case, I reformatted my sisters computer this past Christmas. On boot, here computer had over 70% CPU usage. She used it on a college campus and it was riddled with spyware. My fathers computer is similar, though nowhere near as sever. Maybe 15% CPU usage after boot. These machines are both 1GHz or better.

      Now, I judge these things from a purely objective standpoint. Mac OS X can be used heavily, many applications installed, and it just keeps purring. My mom has a Mac, and as far as I have a say in it, my sister and dad will too when they decide to buy a new computer.

      I run Linux, and I'd like to recommend it to non-techies, but at the moment that is not realistically feasible. In any case, it amazes me that people put up with drastically inferior products (Windows) when something so much better is available (Mac OS X). I'm convinced that this is due to the general ignorance and laziness of people who are unwilling to seek alternatives. It really bothers me.

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    54. Re:What? by ticktockticktock · · Score: 1

      which doesn't work at all in Windows 98.

    55. Re:What? by mgoodman · · Score: 1

      I don't think you're odd...

      I think that people that need to format and reinstall every month are either using their system as a test-bed for installation of all of their porn codecs and players, or simply don't know squat about windows administration and the registry...

      The only time I reboot my multi-user (myself, my girlfriend, her little brother and sister) Windows XP Pro box is when I need to reboot after a security patch. And the system hasn't needed a reinstall for...well, since I installed it.

      If you lock it down and setup permissions adequately for all users on your system(s) that don't know any better, then you should be fine. Worst case scenario that I've encountered is the need to reboot because of some network drive problem crushing my memory.

      Any weird problems and rogue applications can almost always be easily removed. Sometimes they take a little bit of effort, but not much if you know what youre doing. general rule of thumb. delete most everything from hklm|hkcu/software/microsoft/windows/currentversio n/run, startup entries and system services. sad if people cant even get that far.

      christ, i even resource hacked my explorer.exe and screwed it up royally and was able to fix it just fine without having to reinstall. the need for explorer is a myth!

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    56. Re:What? by swv3752 · · Score: 1

      What Distro are you using?

      Mandrake and urpmi --auto-select (Ithink that is the command and I am not at my home computer right now) and a cron job and I forget about security updates. I raan DrakeUpdate and just to make sure last month and there were a couple of bug fixes but all the security updates were done.

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    57. Re:What? by Brandybuck · · Score: 1

      You reinstalled because you changed your motherboard. But do you do this every month? If not then this explains nothing.

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      Don't blame me, I didn't vote for either of them!
    58. Re:What? by fox8118 · · Score: 2, Funny
      This is proof that Windows is easier to install than Linux-- obviously, Linux users are too scared to reinstall their OS every month, whereas for Windows, it's a joy!

      I use Gentoo so it takes me a month to reinstall.
    59. Re:What? by vetman · · Score: 1

      Use a promise IDE card for your hard drives before tearing down the old system. Boot the new system with hard drives on the promise card and install your drivers. Lastly pull the promise card and plug into the on-board ide.

      Works every time.

    60. Re:What? by Garak · · Score: 1

      Yea thats exactly the first thing that came to mind when I seen this story.

      I have not even rebooted in the past month, little lone reinstall. But I run linux ofcourse.

      My little brother and my parents machines back home have not been formatted since last summer and are still running fine. Well I assume so, they have not complained to me about it. No firewall, no virus software, running winXP. Sounds scarry but they haven't had any problems what so ever. My brother even uses p2p alot and IRC. I'm finaly going home tomorrow so I'll likely give their computers a little checkup(Mostly cleaning out the dust). Now I do have winXP stripped down and the patches were up to date as of xmas.

      I must admit windows XP is a desent OS. Same goes for win2k. I have no problems with the usablity of either nor any security problems(Other than MS blaster). Also I ban the use of Outlook at home.

      Microsoft has turned their products around. I still hate the company and I will never buy any software from them. (I'm pretty tempted to buy an X-Box and mod it)

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    61. Re:What? by necronom426 · · Score: 1

      I find it VERY difficult to believe anyone would re-install everything once a month.

      About 2 years ago, Windows got corrupted on my PC (for no apparent reason). I was so determined not to re-install that I spent about 5 or 6 nights trying to restore from backups and repair it. It just wouldn't work and in the end to my complete dismay I re-installed (not re-formatted) over the corrupt one. Windows was back, but then I spent about 2 weeks getting everything re-installed and working again. It was the biggest nightmare I have ever had on any computer I have owned.

      All I can think is that this person has almost nothing on his PC. My Program Files directory has 135 main directories off it. That doesn't count the subdirectories (one of which has my games - so no games are counted in that 135).

      If he doesn't have any software on it, why is he doing that every month? What could possibly be the reason? HOW could anything go wrong with such a sparse setup?

      I'll just shake my head in disbelief and stop typing...

    62. Re:What? by the1truedan · · Score: 1

      Two Words... Product Activation.

    63. Re:What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Until last year, I had a machine that was upgraded NT4 -> W2K -> XP. Original install date was 1999 or so.

      The biggest key to keeping a long-lasting Windows system is to not use the FAT filesystem for the system drive. Unfortunately, NTFS was not the default until XP.

    64. Re:What? by TwistedSquare · · Score: 1

      Yeah I thought I'd be able to fix it if I moved all the stuff back, but that would have involved moving CPU, memory and drives back. CPU was the main potential annoyance.

    65. Re:What? by TwistedSquare · · Score: 1

      I admit I should have prepared for it properly, but I'd forgotten moving MBs could do this sort of thing. The machine wouldnt boot from using the 2k disk, i.e. I couldnt put the drivers on by just using the cd from what I recall (a little hazy now). And because I used ntfs, knoppix and the like couldnt help me at all. I just wanted to give an example of when reinstalling wasnt too silly a solution (I know people that will reinstall if the PC starts to go slow, a hangover from 95/98 days when reinstalling was a good idea every now and then)

    66. Re:What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My Mac went totally screwy after I upgraded to 10.2. Had to do a from-scratch reinstall. OTOH, my NT machines have always upgraded cleanly to the next version of the OS.

      For every story, there's a counter-story. You only sound like an idiot when you start throwing around terms like "purely objective".

    67. Re:What? by Simon+Lyngshede · · Score: 1

      Personally I like to fix what ever is broken, rather than reinstalling things that aren't broken.

      Proof that Linux heightens your productivity, you don't reinstall, saves time, so you can get more work done.

    68. Re:What? by pehrs · · Score: 1

      Actually you have a point there, but perhaps not the point you wanted to make.

      Linux is a /hassle/ to install compared to windows or even unix. Even for one who does know both and use them regularly it simply takes far more time to get a linux computer up and running with a reasonably working configuration (window system, the normal set of applications etc.). I have yet to find any flavour of linux easy to install. And while I can get a windows computer up and running within a day without too much effort it often takes well over a week to set up a linux box, especially if it has unusual hardware.

      If linux is to actually begin claiming the desctop market from windows this is one of the critical things that needs to change. And no, asking if the user has an Ati23192 revision B based motherboard as we need to use a special driver is not a good solution.

    69. Re:What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why the hell would anyone need to reinstall an entire OS every month?

      I don't even reboot my Windows 2000 machine that often. I think this guy's either paranoid or incompetent.

    70. Re:What? by KaffeineKitty · · Score: 1

      I think you hit on exactly what the problem is. Many people have been convinced, taught, or otherwise given the impression that the answer to all their problems is always reformat the hard drive and reinstall the OS. Where do you suppose they got that idea? Some of them from bad tech support people that just want to get these people off the phone. For most problems this is an extreme solution. I remember vividly many years ago a problem that someone had with a computer where I worked, in this case a Mac not Windows. An in-house support person suggested that we reformat the hard drive and reinstall the system to fix the problem. The actual problem was just a loose cable connection (which I fixed). I have found many people who have this drastic approach to fixing a problem. Yes, in many cases reformatting and reinstalling the OS does fix problems but since you are reinstalling the OS and it seems to work fine at that point don't you think the problem might be with one of the other pieces of software that was on the system?

    71. Re:What? by !3ren · · Score: 1

      Personally, 2k runs pretty well for me on a 450 but I pay good attention to what services are running. Any speed loss I have is easily outweighed by the increase in system stability IMHO.
      To keep this from being totally offtopic, here's my list in no particular order:
      Java, dMSN, Eclipse, Gnu Octave, OpenOffice, Blender, Winamp, Modplug Tracker, Audacity, Mozilla Firebird, AVG, ZoneAlarm, Gimp and AdAware

    72. Re:What? by CowboyBob500 · · Score: 1

      My little brother and my parents machines back home have not been formatted since last summer and are still running fine. Well I assume so, they have not complained to me about it. No firewall, no virus software, running winXP. Sounds scarry but they haven't had any problems what so ever. My brother even uses p2p alot and IRC. I'm finaly going home tomorrow so I'll likely give their computers a little checkup(Mostly cleaning out the dust). Now I do have winXP stripped down and the patches were up to date as of xmas.

      Arrrghhhh!!! I hope you're joking. Please tell me you're joking.

      If not, I'm glad the DNSBL I subscribe my mailserver to is doing its job.

      Bob

    73. Re:What? by Goldberg's+Pants · · Score: 1

      I have an idiot "friend" who makes the same claim about Windows. "Yeah, sure dude, it's the size of the userbase that causes all the viruses."

      What's really disturbing is everyone turns to this smacktard for computer advice.

    74. Re:What? by omicronish · · Score: 1

      Why the hell would anyone need to reinstall an entire OS every month? I mean - I know Windows is bad, but come on - its ridiculous.

      I totally agree. My brother and sister's computers both have Windows installed on them, and they've been using it for at least half a year now; I can't remember when I set them up so it's probably longer. They use their computers daily for all sorts of things, including school work, surfing, and chatting.

      I've seen a handful of blue screens. All the BSODs on my sister's computer are because of her Creative Webcam drivers. I've seen one or two BSODs on my brother's computer, and I blame them on his motherboard. That thing simply has issues no matter what OS is installed.

      If you take the time to lock things down and disable some "features", Windows should last for a long time.

    75. Re:What? by Goldberg's+Pants · · Score: 1

      Do a search for Winpatrol on Google. Freeware program that monitors all the places software can be set to run on startup, and pops up a little box telling that an application is trying to add itself to startup, and you can confirm or deny as needed.

      Great little program.

      With Real's crap, since it tries install for startup EVERY TIME you run the program, I've just gone in and renamed the .exe files so it can't. Real still works just fine. (Which leads me to wonder exactly WHY they have it install all this crap.)

    76. Re:What? by Goldberg's+Pants · · Score: 1

      I can vouch for that too. I have a system from 1997 that came with Windows 95 and I have *NEVER* reinstalled Windows on it. Never had too. One occasions the hard drive went mad and the idiots at tech support told me I had to reformat, but I ignored their advice and fixed it myself. (Just required getting it up enough to get to Windows to run Scandisk so I could have it fix errors without my input.)

      The system was in hardcore daily use until 18 months ago when I actually got a new one.

      XP on my current system... ERK! The system is getting slower and slower and slower. I think a reinstall is on the horizon, which wouldn't be so bad were it not for the fucking system registry, meaning 90% of all my installed software will promptly go tits up due to not being "installed" properly.

      Thanks a fucking lot, Microsoft...

    77. Re:What? by Goldberg's+Pants · · Score: 1

      Erm... Surely once it was fixed it stayed fixed didn't it? That seems like a real weird reason to reinstall. I had an issue with a sound driver causing issues with my onboard sound chip (I don't give a toss about fancy soundcards. My machine makes sound, that's all I care about) and once that was fixed it was fine.

      Please explain (seriously) how come this compatibility led to you having to reinstall every two months.

    78. Re:What? by rabidlamb · · Score: 1

      huh... I guess I stand corrected. I'm fairly sure it didn't have USB support and that was the major reson for SE besides stability. Perhaps they finally just got around to patching it enough that they are basically the same now.... oh well. never mind then ;)

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    79. Re:What? by pjt33 · · Score: 1

      You don't have a dual G5, do you? Apple still haven't released a working fix for the fan control system, and I've had to reinstall once after the fans went crazy, forcing a hard reboot, and then the hard drive was corrupt.

    80. Re:What? by eofpi · · Score: 1

      Creative's driver writers are rather incompetent when it comes to SMP compatibility. This is a known issue, if you check any SMP-related forums (such as 2cpu.com's).

      After a couple months, my sound support would degrade quickly and then completely stop working. Only way to fix it was a reformat & reinstall.

      On a side note, a friend of mine's dad, who is a member of MS's software developer network, recommends reinstalling every 6 months.

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    81. Re:What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      the need for explorer is a myth!

      True. I don't even bother with it. I've set up cmd.exe as my logon shell and haven't looked back.

    82. Re:What? by GuardianW · · Score: 1

      I can some this fool up with one word:

      M O R O N

      I would also like to say that the debate on win Vs Lin/*nix is rather old and tiresome. There are major pros and cons for ALL os's out there and it's really each to his own. Windows is not really bad.. it is not as stable and funtionally flexable as other OS's out there but they made it easy to use and everything is point and click. Lets face it for a good 70% of people that is what they need. You gave em linux and said you have to learn a minimum of 50 commands to just move about and change things you'd have people going back to reading books or playing outdoors. (Like my joke... I like my joke.) And linux/*nix Os's are the best for running with speed and accuracy any mission critical data handling. Firewalls included in that statement. As for a games box or a easy to use box for a "Newbie" DON"T MAKE ME LAUGH!

    83. Re:What? by stickyc · · Score: 1

      I've rarely gone more than a year without a re-install on any given box. I try a lot of software and tend to upgrade major hardware regularly. I dont trust windows to migrate to a new motherboard without leaving a boatload of legacy files around.
      Besides, installing and tweaking software is one of those things that usually hits my hacker happy buttons (and I doubt I'm alone in this respect). Be it a new linux distro, OS-X, or even Windows.

    84. Re:What? by dewke · · Score: 1

      Why the hell would anyone need to reinstall an entire OS every month? I mean - I know Windows is bad, but come on - its ridiculous.

      Because he's either too cheap to buy a copy, or too lazy to find a warez one that doesn't need activation.

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    85. Re:What? by dewke · · Score: 1

      No kidding. I installed XP on this pc in 2002 when I bought it, and I've never considered a reinstall. I've installed/removed games and other apps and it's still stable.

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  22. Easy by numbski · · Score: 1

    On Windows (I hate it)

    Spybot
    AdAware
    Symantec Antivirus
    BlackIce Firewall (if the poor chump has no hardware firewall)
    CleanSweep Uninstaller
    Ghost (so I can image the machine to reload later)
    Cygwin (for a REAL command line)
    Mozilla Firefox
    Mozilla Thunderbird

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  23. Woah there, buddy!! by goldspider · · Score: 0, Redundant
    "After the OS is in, then come the favorite/must have/most used programs to install. My first ten for Windows..."

    Hold up a second there! I thought we were talking aobut an Operating System!

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  24. For me.. by hookedup · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I _race_ furiously to download and get a firewall installed, then do the windows updates. I've had machines be comprimised while downloading the firewall for the first time, damn those subnet scanning kids move fast :)

    1. Re:For me.. by Mr.+Bad+Example · · Score: 4, Informative

      Might I suggest that you burn a firewall program onto a CD? Then the next time you reload your machine, you can install the firewall and *then* connect to the Internet.

    2. Re:For me.. by WhiteDragon · · Score: 1

      I just put it behind a nat box until it's up to date.

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    3. Re:For me.. by GlassUser · · Score: 1

      One of those little USB memory things might come in handy.

    4. Re:For me.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Two words, broadband router with firewall. =) Then I go ahead and run Windows Update, update antivirus and install Kerio Personal firewall, and SpyBot Search and Destroy. This is the Belt and Suspenders approach. By avoiding Outlook, and IE, and not websurfing or checking email on my Windows pc, I don't get compromised. Then again, Windows is just a toy. I do all my real work on Mac OS X, or occasionally linux.

    5. Re:For me.. by hookedup · · Score: 1

      This only dawned on me the 3rd time I had to reinstall windows on someones machine within a week, so now I use a USB key for just such a reason..

    6. Re:For me.. by foniksonik · · Score: 1

      Might I suggest that you simply disconnect your ethernet cable for a short period of time... good god man, did it never occur to you?

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      A fool throws a stone into a well and a thousand sages can not remove it.
    7. Re:For me.. by OglinTatas · · Score: 1

      Yes. In fact, burn the zips of all your favorite programs to a CD. If you have to reinstall, use your zip CD to customize it and secure it _before_ you plug into the 'net.
      As another post mentioned, you can even download the patches and integrate them with your windows install disk, or you can just put the major roll-up patches on your zip CD if you have a crappy "system restore" CD.
      Another poster mentioned using ghost, and making a backup CD--an excellent idea. But still another mentioned swapping mobos, which would make the ghost backup and the restore disk useless.
      But at 10 cents/CD-R, why not make a ghost archive _and_ a zip CD with all the important stuff?

      Oh, and figure out why it is one has to reinstall every month, and fix the problem. I installed win2K once, about 2 years ago.

    8. Re:For me.. by camkind · · Score: 1

      heh I had to learn this lesson the hard way. I formatted my computer after installing XP, and as my windows updates were downloading, BAM I got hit by a more than a few worms. I copied the ZoneAlarm installer to my other HD, re-formatted (with my cable modem disconnected), installed the firewall, and then got my updates. From now on, its "paranoid installs" for me :)

    9. Re:For me.. by jonbrewer · · Score: 2, Informative

      I _race_ furiously to download and get a firewall installed, then do the windows updates. I've had machines be comprimised while downloading the firewall for the first time, damn those subnet scanning kids move fast :)

      Considering the price of "Cable/DSL" "Routers" sold by Linksys, D-Link, and others, why would you *not* use one? I can't think of a better way of doing firewall/nat for $50 USD and ten minutes of setup time.

    10. Re:For me.. by WuphonsReach · · Score: 1

      heh I had to learn this lesson the hard way. I formatted my computer after installing XP, and as my windows updates were downloading, BAM I got hit by a more than a few worms. I copied the ZoneAlarm installer to my other HD, re-formatted (with my cable modem disconnected), installed the firewall, and then got my updates. From now on, its "paranoid installs" for me :)

      Wait... you have a cable modem but don't have a hardware firewall between your PC and the cable modem?

      Just how cheap is your time anyway?

      The only techies who have an excuse not to use a hardware-based router/firewall/NAT are those on dial-up. And there are even hardware-based router/firewall/NAT devices that will do dial up.

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    11. Re:For me.. by stephanruby · · Score: 1
      Considering the price of "Cable/DSL" "Routers" sold by Linksys, D-Link, and others, why would you *not* use one? I can't think of a better way of doing firewall/nat for $50 USD and ten minutes of setup time.

      Because some of those can be compromised. It's not because the word firewall is written on the box that it is a firewall.

  25. Not quite paid for, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    on a Win box for clients/friends: Norton AV Corporate - WINRAR - WINACE - VNC - Google Toolbar - TweakUI - RegVac
    - SpyBot S&D - Ad-Aware - Messenger 6.1 -

  26. first few programs by toast0 · · Score: 2, Informative

    On windows,

    putty, gaim, mozilla

    On linux,

    aptitude, ssh, joe, gnome, gaim, epihpany-browser

  27. WTF are you doing to it? by AKnightCowboy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Why are you reinstalling your machine every month? I've reinstalled once in about 3 years and that was because I put in a new motherboard and upgraded from Windows 2000 to Windows XP Pro and didn't want crufty driver issues popping up down the road. What the heck are you doing to your system that you need to reinstall it so often? Regular spyware scans and a good antivirus program has kept my machine running like a top. Sometimes I really wonder why people bitch about Windows since it's been running great for me on my hardware.

    1. Re:WTF are you doing to it? by jmays · · Score: 1

      That is great and all ... but you are in the minority. You sound at least somewhat savvy ... perhaps you run and care for the OS better then most.

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    2. Re:WTF are you doing to it? by pogle · · Score: 2, Informative

      WinXP pro put an end to the reformat cycle of windows, IMO. On Win98 you *had* to reformat regularly to keep performance up. With WinXP Pro I reformat when I do major hardware changes, and thats it. With spyware removal and virus protection it can stay running indefinitely without issues. On Win98 my games would become unplayable simply due to the system bloating and decaying.

      Basically, if you're running XP Pro or maybe 2000, reinstalling isnt such a big deal. Win9x, ME, and XP Home (why why WHY is it allowed to exist) are a different story.

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    3. Re:WTF are you doing to it? by GigsVT · · Score: 1

      With WinXP Pro I reformat when I do major hardware changes, and thats it.

      Like this is much improvement? You've been able to take a hard disk out of a Red Hat box since 7.3 or maybe earlier, and barring any exotic or complex hardware, boot it in a completely new box like nothing happened.

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    4. Re:WTF are you doing to it? by Zathrus · · Score: 1

      On Win98 you *had* to reformat regularly to keep performance up.

      Shrug. I had a Win98SE box go nearly 3 years without a reformat. No noticeable performance degredation either.

      With WinXP Pro I reformat when I do major hardware changes, and thats it.

      Which isn't necessary either if you do a repair install instead (by "major" I'm presuming you mean a new MB and/or CPU; possibly graphics card seeing as how godawful the graphics card drivers are at properly uninstalling themselves. But there's a solution for that as well).

      XP Home (why why WHY is it allowed to exist) are a different story

      Uh... would you care to clarify why you feel XP Home is more vulnerable to needing a reinstall than XP Pro? The two have very minimal differences in functionality, none of it in the driver/registry/file system arena.

    5. Re:WTF are you doing to it? by _bug_ · · Score: 1

      Why are you reinstalling your machine every month?

      Perhaps every months was a slight exaggeration, but certainly more than twice a year is common for my windows partition.

      Why?

      There's a lot of reasons. Often it's related to an install that went bad and screwed up the DLLs on the system. Tracking down what system dlls are corrupted and finding replacements, ones that go with the latest patches so as to not leave your system open while it still reports the patch as being installed, can be more than a little difficult.

      Some installs will try to integrate too much with the OS, replacing system DLLs with their own hacked versions to get the system working. Nero comes to mind. When trying to uninstall Nero, sometimes in improper ways, DLLs get left behind that start to really interact badly with other applications.

      Another reason is to recover HD space. I don't allocate more than a couple gigs to my windows partition and upon installing and uninstalling applications, lots of leftover files start to pile up. You can clean out temp folders and your recycle bin all you want, but I'm talking about the files and folders left over because the automated uninstall process found files or versions of DLLs that it did not have in it's list of files to uninstall.

      Drivers. Upgrading to the latest bus master IDE drivers or AGP drivers for your mobo can sometimes fry windows. Why worry about these if your machine works fine already? Well I keep XP around for games, and I need to squeeze everything I can out of my system. It's a sometimes overlooked part of the system, but agp and ide/scsi drivers can have HUGE impacts on system and gaming performance.

      And of course, because I'm a masochist. But.. that's probably obvious by now.

    6. Re:WTF are you doing to it? by Slack3r78 · · Score: 1

      You do realize that that the primary differences between Pro and Home are some networking options, a few admin tools, and SMP support, right? The only reason Home seems to have more problems is the fact that it's what comes on OEM systems and is what the most clueless part of your user base is going to be using.

    7. Re:WTF are you doing to it? by RAMMS+EIN · · Score: 1

      That's because you ran win2k and it's the only serious operatinf system MS ever made (well, maybe XENIX, too, I haven't seen it).

      Also you don't probably install and especially deinstall a lot; this is what broke Windows installations I've seen.

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    8. Re:WTF are you doing to it? by Goldberg's+Pants · · Score: 1

      That's a load of rubbish. I'm a bigtime gamer, and I ran Windows 98 for two years with stuff coming and going, tons of games etc... Never had any issues at all. Performance always stayed about the same.

  28. Mac? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And how about on OS X? For the most part OS X includes many good programs already. One extra program I would install right away would have to be Adium though..

    1. Re:Mac? by soulnet · · Score: 0

      LaunchBar !

  29. crucify me by towzzer · · Score: 1

    windows 2000- 1. Winrar (does zip AND all the other ones) 2. office 2003 3. photoshop 8 4. dreamweaver mx 5. ultrafxp 6. mirc 7. nero 8. Radmin 9. Winamp 10. serv-u yes i'm a corporate popular program lackey please reply with insults

    1. Re:crucify me by MCMLXXVI · · Score: 1

      You know looking at your list, the ultrafxp, mirc, and serv-u are a bit tip off that Office, Photoshop, and Dreamweaver are warez copies.

  30. it by mandalayx · · Score: 1

    I've switched from Winamp to iTunes...because syncing with my iPod is the killer app. plus the smart playlists and the play counts/ratings are not only efficient and no-brainers, but they also sync.

  31. antivirus & spyware blocker by iamthemoog · · Score: 1

    Surely these two (along with repeated clicks of the windows update link) should be firmly at the top of the list ?

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  32. For Windows... by taped2thedesk · · Score: 2, Informative

    0. OS updates
    1. Putty
    2. Firefox & extensions
    3. Thunderbird
    4. gVim (The 'edit with vim' that gets attached to context menus for all file types is one of my favorite tools)
    5. RealVNC
    6. Acroread/Flash/Java/etc.
    7. Trillian
    8. Norton Corporate Edition
    9. SpyBot
    10. Cygwin

  33. First 10 on linux by Spider[DAC] · · Score: 2, Interesting

    vim
    openssh
    lftp
    zsh
    nethack
    fortune-mod
    syl pheed
    mplayer
    rhythmbox
    openbox

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    1. Re:First 10 on linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      VIM?????? what NO!!!!!!!!! you want emacs a real mans text edior. Also a great IDE to boot. Hay want isn't Emacs the OS?

    2. Re:First 10 on linux by maximilln · · Score: 1

      I dunno? Where do we actually start? Binutils, glibc, gcc, bash. Okay, after the system has reached a minimally usable state?

      cvs, iptables, Xfree86, UDE, xchat, qiv, firefox, aterm, ncftp, samba, ftpd, xmms, lame, mplayer, ripperX, gaim, acroread

      On Windows

      mozilla, adaware, winamp, acrobat ... I actively avoid using messaging clients on a Windows system. IMHO, it's just asking for trouble. My Windows install is mainly out of habit. I haven't actually used it in months.

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    3. Re:First 10 on linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I install a new Linux distro every three years or so and after installing a base system start by configuring named, sendmail, apache, samba, etc., mostly by copying the old configuration files. After that the next step may be compiling a fresh kernel.

  34. I have two word for you. by Zaphrod · · Score: 1
  35. Nope ... by operagost · · Score: 1
    Some people re-install once a year, but if you're anything like me your machine is formatted at least a month.
    Nope - NOTHING LIKE YOU!

    Even if I was such a disaster-ridden buffoon, I would simply make an image of the system onto DVD, tape, or even another hard disk and restore my system every month.

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  36. One a month? by Electric+Eye · · Score: 1

    Dude, you need to find a girlfriend or something. Seriously.
    Then again, maybe this is Windows thing. Last time I re-installed my OS on my Mac was about a year ago....

    1. Re:One a month? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Dude, you need to find a girlfriend or something. Seriously.

      His computer setup sounds like a girlfriend: once a month, there's a time when you can't use it.

  37. xnews and powerpost by maxbang · · Score: 1

    best news reader and poster for windows out there

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    1. Re:xnews and powerpost by JoeRod · · Score: 1

      windows

      itunes
      winrar
      newsbins
      mirc
      aim
      application s for my iden cell phone
      applications to hack dave (DTV)
      applications to hack xbox
      swish
      flashfxp

      mac

      itunes
      mozilla
      demuxer
      photoshop
      dreamweaver
      ffmpegX 0.0.9f
      captin ftp
      toast
      amadauaus sound editor
      remote desktop (to admin my pc from my mac)
      VLC media player

  38. Um meh by tomstdenis · · Score: 1

    Trillian replace with Gaim
    Replace WinRar with WinIMP

    But normally my install procedure works like this

    1. Turn off retarded services that are buggy
    2. Install all patches, updates, drivers
    3. Install a free virus scanner

    Then

    4. Turn off attachments and HTML preview in OE
    5. Add googlebar and turn on popup blocker
    6. Install Cygwin, Winamp and Gaim

    Then at this point I'm normally bored and go do something else.

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  39. Do you have licenses for those first 10 programs? by Numeric · · Score: 2

    Of course this only applies to programs which require them.

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  40. Better question: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What 10 windows programs do you try to UNinstall?

  41. My first 10 (Windows) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Kerio Personal Firewall
    Firefox
    Thunderbird
    4NT
    Putty
    UltraE dit
    SmartFTP
    WinAMP
    AIM
    VirtualDub

  42. The OpenCD by Siener · · Score: 4, Informative

    When installing a Windows PC, it's a good idea to have The OpenCD handy. It includes (among other things) CDEx, Mozilla, GIMP, PuTTY, TightVNC and WinPT.

  43. huh? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    but if you're anything like me your machine is formatted at least a month

    This makes no sense. Perhaps you are mildly retarded?

  44. Don't know about Windows.. by spurious+cowherd · · Score: 1

    ..but for *NIX I only need one. /sbin/lart

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  45. My list by swtaarrs · · Score: 1

    My first ten for windows:

    0. Security updates
    1. Firefox
    2. Gaim
    3. Thunderbird
    4. Cygwin
    5. Openoffice
    6. 7-zip
    7. X-Chat
    8. Nero
    9. Visual Studio
    10. VNC

    Yes, it's 11, but security updates aren't really a program.
    I reinstall an average of two or three times a year, for various reasons.

    1. Re:My list by cowmix · · Score: 1

      > 10. VNC

      UltraVNC is *the* VNC client/server version you want to install for Windows.

    2. Re:My list by swtaarrs · · Score: 1

      I've been using TightVNC, but Ultra looks cool. I'll try it, thanks for the suggestion.

    3. Re:My list by vegetablespork · · Score: 1

      How could I have forgotten stunnel -- for connecting to the premier Usenet provider, Easynes, with NNTP over SSL. Can't have Obergruppenfuehrer Ashcroft examining my downloads with Carnivore.

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  46. reformatting *nix by Erratio · · Score: 1

    I don't feel the need to regularly reformat and re-install linux or unix based systems. My primary motivation for doing it in Windows is that considering the registry and the other tangled parts of the structure (like file interdependencies), it takes less time to re-install then to actually clean or optimize manually. With *nix based systems, all the things are cleanly laid out and manageable, and I spend a decent amount of time tweaking things which I wouldn't want to have to redo, particularly since there should never be a reason that it would need to be redone. I'd think considering the aura around uptime, the general feeling among the community is similar.

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  47. GNaughty by anandpur · · Score: 1

    gnaughty from sf.net

  48. PLUG AND PRAY by adamshelley · · Score: 1

    this is one
    j/k.
    who uses windows (while u're not working) anyways?

    1. Re:PLUG AND PRAY by 16384 · · Score: 1

      I use CrossWire Sword Project myself. I like the program in Windows, and you may download lots of modules including a KJV Bible with Strongs numbers and Strongs dictionaries. In Linux I have BibleTime for KDE but it's not as good...

  49. first thing by bpland · · Score: 1

    is to verify you have all your needed licenses before you reinstall... 1 ) SCO license... oh heck with that let the flipping of disks begin :)

  50. Top Ten most popular... by WhiskerTheMad · · Score: 1

    First I set up my e-mail. Then the top ten programs just install themselves!

    1. Magistr
    2. MyDoom
    3. Badtrans....

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  51. my list by User+956 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    1. XP Autopatcher
    2. Firefox
    3. does pr0n count as a program?

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  52. Eh, Linux already has everything... by da3dAlus · · Score: 1

    So this applies to my Win32 installs:
    Any current XP updates
    Tons of drivers + apps for TV card
    TweakUI
    Winamp
    AntivirXP
    WinZip
    WinRar
    Textpad
    Opera
    Trillian

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    1. Re:Eh, Linux already has everything... by afidel · · Score: 1

      Having just reinstalled XP this week I can say that my list is pretty similar:
      MS Powertoys (use a couple not just TweakUI)
      WinZip
      WinRar
      WinAmp
      Mozilla suite
      ACDC32 (classic, can't stand the new bloated version)
      Sys Internals PS Tools

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  53. additionally... by lazlo · · Score: 1

    Many things already mentioned, and then add Ethereal, PasswordSafe, TerraTerm, Vim.

    (at least, for windows boxes)

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    1. Re:additionally... by CaptainStormfield · · Score: 1

      As a long-time TerraTerm user I have to say . . . try PuTTY. SSH and port forwarding much easier to configure; screen easily resizable, better color support, etc. etc.

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    2. Re:additionally... by lazlo · · Score: 1

      Oh yes, I absolutely definitely use and love Putty. It's one of the ones that I left unsaid because several other people had mentioned it.

      However, when I open up Putty and try to connect to COM1, it becomes less optimal of a solution. For that, TerraTerm isn't perfect, but sure beats the crap out of HyperTerminal.

      I know serial support in putty is somewhere on the wish list, but if you know of a really nice serial console for windows, I'd love to know about it. Actually, I'm not thrilled with Minicom either, so if you know a good one for Linux, that'd be cool too.

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  54. SSH tools by slavemowgli · · Score: 1

    The two most important tools by far, I think, are PuTTY and WinSCP.

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    1. Re:SSH tools by Sjobeck · · Score: 0

      second that.

    2. Re:SSH tools by macdaddy · · Score: 1

      SecureCRT for me.

  55. Unix first installs by Grey · · Score: 1
    1. Suns Java
    2. JEdit
    Still have installed anything else on Mandrake 9.2 that I did over christmas. Thats many because I must use the worlds best text editor all other are crap &lt/joke&gt
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  56. The first thing I install on a windows machine... by Lakers · · Score: 0, Redundant

    is linux!!!

  57. Why don't you... by Ieshan · · Score: 1

    Why don't you set up Norton Ghost or VMware and save yourself the trouble of reinstalling every month?

    God, that'd be the most awful thing ever.

  58. What I do by criordan · · Score: 1

    I always get Bit Torrent, and from there Office, Photoshop, etc.

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  59. Moo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Virtual CD
    Daemon Tools (to install games/utilities from virtual CD's and ISO's)
    Panda Antivirus
    Windows update
    Firefox
    Winamp
    Kazaa
    StarCraft
    MBM5
    V MWare

  60. Hmmm... by Oxy+the+moron · · Score: 0

    ... I haven't done the reformat thing in a few years. I use Windows XP (yeah yeah, go ahead and laugh).


    I would say the first 10 programs I install are:


    - Service Pack 1 (does that count?)
    - my Via 4-in-1 set
    - MS Office 2003
    - MS VS.Net 2003
    - Firefox
    - WinZip
    - Winamp
    - Desktop Sidebar (b/c it pwnz)
    - Half-Life
    - Warcraft 3


    On my Slack 9 box (which pretty much gets nstalled with next to nothing to start)


    - Apache 2
    - PHP 4
    - MySQL
    - Samba 3
    - firehol
    - Python
    - Berkely DB
    - Half-Life dedicated server + HLstats


    I think that wraps it up... =]

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    1. Re:Hmmm... by los+furtive · · Score: 1

      You can trim two items off your list by using Trillian.

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  61. new windows system? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    msblaster nachi welchia netsky are all installed for me! just by simply plugging in to the 'net

  62. XP by Kiyooka · · Score: 1

    Here's what I do:

    --> (enable Windows firewall)
    - Norton AntiVirus
    --> (connect)
    - Zone Alarm
    --> (update Norton)
    --> (update Windows for 2 hours)
    - Firefox
    - OpenOffice
    - Warcraft 3 and Frozen Throne :D
    - play!

  63. my quick list.... by Malor · · Score: 1

    What I do on a new install;

    Turn on firewall;
    do all updates, sans DRM crap.

    Install:

    Firefox (using it now, huge step forward in browsers)
    Spybot SD (spyware removal)
    Winamp 5
    EZ-CD Creator Pro (although I use a cdrecord under Linux a lot, my DVD burner is on the Windows machine).
    NewsRover (I download many television episodes from Usenet: NR is the best way I've found to make this easy. Awesome program. Also good for porn, of course. :-) )
    QuickPAR (handles both PAR and PAR2 files)
    WinRAR
    WinDVD (for DVDs and MPG files)
    K-Lite Codec Pack (for everything else)
    SecureCRT (SSH client, best I've found in Windows, but costly)

    There are quite a few more programs I would install on my main machine, around 20 total, but those would normally be the first 10.

    Interestingly, I do not run any kind of Office application. I hardly use paper for anything, and my printer doesn't get used much. I have a perfectly valid license for Office 2003, and I don't bother installing it because the security holes aren't worth the risks. If I need to read a .doc file, I open it under Linux. How's that for weird? :-)

  64. What about... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    the filthy filthy porn...

  65. Hmmm... by JoeBaldwin · · Score: 1
    • Firefox - Because I frankly can't live without it
    • Thunderbird - Because my inbox quota frankly can't live without it
    • iTunes - IloveitIloveitILOVEIT (and we don't even have the music store over here yet)
    • Latest MSN Messenger - Because all my friends and family have it, and will doubtless expect me to gawp at their oh-so-revolutionary "new features" such as buddy icons
    • AIM - Because I have friends on AIM
    • ICQ - Because I like ICQ as well
    • Dreamweaver - For syntax highlighting and quick layout when I just can't be arsed
    • Apache - I'm a server
    • The GIMP - ...
    • OpenOffice.org - For my seemingly endless supply of coursework assignments
  66. This is a good question. by AlexanderYoshi · · Score: 1

    The first 10 things you install probably say a lot about you as a person and developer. A programmer will probably install their favoured editors where an artist will install photoshop/GIMP and their favourite peripherials. For me: 1. Replace NotePad with EditPad 2. Firefox/T-bird 3. Trillian 4. 3d Studio Max 5. GIMP 6. Visual Studio .NET 2003 7. TortoiseSVN 8. Cygwin 9. WinDVD 10. WS_FTP

  67. For my Windows 2000 box.... by chrispyman · · Score: 1

    besides the usual Microsoft Hotfixes and service packs, I usually install.... 1) Mozilla 2) WinZip 3) FileZilla 4) F-Prot Antivirus 5) Nero 6) Quicktime 7) Acrobat Reader 8) The GIMP 9) Winamp 10) VMWare Workstation

  68. Don't reformat: use Knoppix/Partimage/NFS by Saint+Stephen · · Score: 5, Informative

    Do yourself a favor: next clean install, apply XP-SP1, then Clean=(Delete LocalSettings\Temp, Windows\Temp, Defrag) & boot Knoppix and backup your partition with Partimage (to a network location mounted with NFS), if needed.

    Then apply all Windows Updates, and image again. Then install your drivers, and "core apps" (be very conservative), and tweak your profile a little, and image again.

    Then restore one of these three images as needed, and update as needed. Install your games on a separate partition.

    It gets tricky if you actually use your XP partition for real work (MSOffice, VStudio) instead of just for video editing and games and use the much superior Debian Sid for web browsing, email, and programming. Unlike games, its hard to put apps on a separate partition and simply "install" them with a .reg file or something. Imaging with 3 or 4 gigs of apps to back up takes a long time and gets to be a pain in the ass.

    1. Re:Don't reformat: use Knoppix/Partimage/NFS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you forgot one important thing...

      be sure to install all the XP cracks and have a keygen handy.

      XP bitches to high hell when imaged... (a corperate Image solves this as does the cracks and keygen.

    2. Re:Don't reformat: use Knoppix/Partimage/NFS by NeoSkandranon · · Score: 1

      When's the last time you installed a PC game? A handfull of newish games can easily take up 3 or 4 gigs and be an equal pain in the ass to backup

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    3. Re:Don't reformat: use Knoppix/Partimage/NFS by Saint+Stephen · · Score: 1

      That's why I restore clean (driver, 3rd) image before installing game, dump registry to file, install game, dump registry to file, diff 2 files, produce .reg file which tells game it is installed.

      Game doesn't get blown away when restored, and to "reinstall" just run .reg file. Many games don't even need that. Sometimes patches won't install.

      Apps such as MSOffice and VStudio are too complicated to install this way. I mentioned all this in my post.

    4. Re:Don't reformat: use Knoppix/Partimage/NFS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It still doesnt take care of the DLL's installed into the System32 directory (or some other equivalently stupid place). What do you do about them?

    5. Re:Don't reformat: use Knoppix/Partimage/NFS by Saint+Stephen · · Score: 1

      There was one game that did that (Temple of Elemental Evil). I also do dir c: /s/b > file before and after install to see what changed there. ToEE registered a COM DLL there. I just made a batch file to copy and register it.

      Lately I don't even do that, because games that do that are really rare. I just let er rip and if it breaks, then I do a more detailed analysis.

      Like I said, sometimes a game won't think it's installed so patches won't apply, but what you can do then is just back up your saves, reinstall the game, apply the patch, restore your saves -- and then blow away the O/S image as usual.

  69. Putty of course! by pagansage · · Score: 1

    One of the first things I install on a windows machine is putty. Can't live without it...

    Of course cygwin provides more of environment and the added benefit of remote Xwindows connections (without annoying cripple ware).

  70. JOE! by nurb432 · · Score: 1

    On unix.. thats the first thing .. so i can edit files with out fighting with VI.

    On windows, i would hope your FIRST application to install is some sort of antivirus... then service packs....

    After that you can add trillian, xmanager, putty, vnc, etc, etc...

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  71. My list on Windows XP is: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Trillian
    WinAMP
    CuteFTP
    WinZip
    PaintShopPro 5 (better than Gimp in ease of use but I don't like the newer versions with the vectors in it -- too complicated)

    and then:
    AbiWord or OOo
    RSSOwl (and required J2EE)
    FireFox
    Adobe Acrobat Reader
    Palm Desktop
    CuteHTML or HTMLKit

    And then some other little apps as the time goes by.

    That's it I think.

  72. I don't reinstall, I update by Vaevictis666 · · Score: 5, Informative
    I have a hard drive image (Ghost, but anything would work about as well) that I revert to every few months. It has all my essentials, configuration, and such. Windows is on its own partition, My Docs is mapped to D: partition, so the only thing I need to back up is Docs and Settings (I could map that to another partition too, but it's nice to have it be cleaned out as well).

    So now I just do my mini-backup, revert to ghost image, apply pending windows/app fixes and upgrades (with a text file on my desktop to keep track as I do them the first time), install any new "needed" software, clean up stuff etc, and then make me a fresh image of that for next time.

    1. Re:I don't reinstall, I update by ticktockticktock · · Score: 1

      Does ghost support restoring an image if the partition size changed (for a linux dual-boot install) but without wiping out linux?

    2. Re:I don't reinstall, I update by oneiron · · Score: 1

      Neat, that's what I do....exactly. My image needs to be updated, though.. :(

    3. Re:I don't reinstall, I update by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have a CMDLINES.TXT that takes care of the installation of some self packaged applications and a vbscript to apply all my personalized system settings.

      [COMMANDS]
      "cmd /c c:\INSTALL\HOTFIXPATCH.EXE"
      "cmd /c c:\INSTALL\NAV81.EXE"
      "cmd /c c:\INSTALL\WINRAR.EXE"
      "cmd /c c:\INSTALL\NERO6.EXE"
      "cmd /c c:\INSTALL\ULTRAISO.EXE"
      "cmd /c c:\INSTALL\ULTRAEDIT.EXE"
      "cmd /c c:\INSTALL\DAEMONTOOLS.EXE"
      "cmd /c c:\INSTALL\SPYBOT.EXE"
      "cmd /c c:\INSTALL\YMESSENGER.EXE"
      "cmd /c c:\INSTALL\XPSETTINGS.VBS"

      That coupled with a properly configured WINNT.SIF in the i386 directory allows me to reinstall fairly effortlessly.

    4. Re:I don't reinstall, I update by Vaevictis666 · · Score: 1
      The version I have supports extracting the image to a differently-sized partition. If you do image-to-partition (as opposed to image-to-disk) extraction it shouldn't touch your linux partition. If linux is on primary partition should be no problems, if windows is primary then you just need to make sure that the boot loader etc is still working before you make the initial ghost image.

      I mean, the purpose of drive imaging utils is to allow you to go back exactly to how it was before. Only problem I've ever had with it was upgrading vid card, then restoring ghost. Whoops, no vid card drivers :P

    5. Re:I don't reinstall, I update by Eminor · · Score: 1

      At the end of the day, if have done anything significant to my home directory (settings changed, documents edited, programming, whatever) I run a script which nicely tarballs my home directory to a (normally not mounted) partition on a different drive. Every once in a while I burn that backup to disc as well. So I have a convenient copy on another drive should the filesystem get corrupt/drive gets corrupt/I decide to repartition.

      When it comes time to reinstall my OS, I do not use an image, I get the latest stable version. Then unpack my home directory, and bang, all my desktop applications are setup as I like them. I install extra packages from ports as I need them.

  73. COME ON!!! by holy_smoke · · Score: 1

    Neowin AutopatcherXP!!!
    Quake II
    Unreal II
    Unreal Tournament 2003 & 2004
    OpenOffice
    Firefox
    WinRaR
    CloneCD
    PeerGu ardian
    DC++ ;-)

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  74. Virus scanner by AcIdR3IgN · · Score: 0

    May I also suggest (seeing that it IS windows) that you install a good virus scanner... This is the FIRST program I install before I even venture out on the net after a new install.

    1. Re:Virus scanner by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've been running XP at work for 6 months with the virus scanner disabled, and I've never been infected. Why assume someone using Windows is a retard? Why assume he can't just use his head and avoid viruses?

      Oh yeah, he's reinstalling every month. That definitely points to some mental deficiency.

      BUB - INSTALL A VIRUS SCANNER!!

  75. How about LAST software to install on a machine? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Enough about the first software to install when you get a machine. What about the last software you install before you get rid of it?

    Before I get rid of a PC that has just gotten too slow, I always install NetBSD before I unplug it for the last time and go out and bury the CPU in the back yard.

  76. Dump WinRAR for 7Zip by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Found this a few months ago and LOVE IT.

    http://www.7-zip.org

    7-Zip is free software distributed under the GNU LGPL

    Supported formats: 7z, ZIP, CAB, RAR, ARJ, GZIP, BZIP2, TAR, CPIO, RPM and DEB

  77. 1st program by gerardrj · · Score: 1

    Would be Ghost or something like it.

    Seriously... If I were reinstalling every month (and why would you want to), the last think I would want is to waste all that time individually installing all those apps, not to mention installing Windows and all those updates in the first place.
    On my machine it takes about 1.5 hours to install Windows and get it completely up to date from Windows Update, then I'd probably take another 1.5 hours to install the next 10 apps and get them configured the way I like.

    Copy the drive from a fresh install, then restore it to that state any time in just a few minutes.

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  78. That has to be one of the funniest ever by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That is fricking hilarious ... well to me anyway.

    hehehehehehehe

  79. Depends on the computer's use by Lightwarrior · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Game Machine:
    1) Motherboard Drivers from CD
    2) Updated mobo drivers from web once NIC is working
    3) Critical / Security patches (winUpdate)
    4) Mozilla / Firefox
    5) Latest DirectX
    6) Video drivers of choice
    7) Latest usable FRAPS
    8) Battlefield: Vietnam to test (/cough)

    What comes next depends on why I reinstalled. A development machine is similar, except:

    7) Java/whatever SDK
    8) Eclipse/IDE of choice
    9) WinAmp
    0) OpenOffice

    -lw

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  80. Mac OS X by jared_hanson · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Well, I decided to reformat my PowerBook's drive just for the experience. It wasn't at all necessary, as it is with Windows after a few months of use.

    Heres my list of programs installed since the reformat a month ago:
    LaunchBar

    Yep, thats the beauty of the Mac: a rock solid system that doesn't necessetate reformating, and a good suite of software preloaded.

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    1. Re:Mac OS X by rei_slashdot · · Score: 1

      how does one reformat a powerbook? i am looking for that fresh clean new feeling with a powerbook g4 but unsure how as to approach it

    2. Re:Mac OS X by jared_hanson · · Score: 1

      Well, I did it using the software restore disks that Apple gives you with the system. You pop in the CD or DVD and double click the installer, it then reboots and walks you through the install process. Couldn't be easier.

      Also, a software restore by default doesn't install the Classic OS 9 environment. So, you save a bit of disk space by getting rid of that. Of course you can always install that later, if you really want it.

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    3. Re:Mac OS X by sxtxixtxcxh · · Score: 1

      you could install os x on your ipod, boot off that, reformat your main drive, then reinstall.

      i don't think reinstalling reformats specifically, but it's been a while since i've reinstalled.

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    4. Re:Mac OS X by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      an advertisement masked as a comment.

      oh you finally convinced the last remaining non-OSX user! I'm in baby. Give me that powerbook what a rock solid system !

    5. Re:Mac OS X by mst76 · · Score: 1

      Wait, let me get this straight. You bough a Powerbook and only run the bundled apps and Launchbar? AFAIK, the Powerbooks don't even include Appleworks (unlike the iBooks).

    6. Re:Mac OS X by fzammett · · Score: 1

      Why is it that when Microsoft does it it's called illegal bundling, but when Apple does it it's called "...a good suite of software preloaded".

      And don't give me that "because Microsoft is a monopoly" crap either. You may be technically correct from a legal standpoint, but they've been doing it since day one and they weren't always the monopoly.

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    7. Re:Mac OS X by jared_hanson · · Score: 1

      No, I bought a PowerBook so I could do development "on the road". Bundled apps include Xcode, Interface Builder, and all the fun UNIX tools.

      I also have a G5, and I use that a far greater portion of the time, for obvious reasons. I'm sure I'd go into an install-frenzy if I were forced to leave the warm comfort of my cheese grater for any extended period of time.

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    8. Re:Mac OS X by mjolnir_ · · Score: 1

      I'm a professional Mac systems consultant, and I wholeheartedly agree with you, but much like Windows and the hotfixes, the rest of your list of 'first 10 installs' should include everything aavailable in Apple's Software Update (Security Updates, etc).

      Of course, compared to Windows, OS X is totally secure OOTB once online. No racing required for anything.

      That said:

      ncftp, nmap, BBEdit, Adobe CS, Suitcase, Cocktail, Pacifist, dnetc, Konfabulator. KisMAC / MacStumbler for portables.

    9. Re:Mac OS X by WinterSolstice · · Score: 1
      Well, I also use OSX (3 machines... 2 G4 towers and a G4 powerbook)
      I have only done one re-install (because of personal n00biness on OS9).
      Here are the first ten items I installed, and what I installed when I brought up the other 3 as purchased. More or less in order. It's been a while.
      1. Photoshop
      2. Fink
      3. Fink Commander
      4. Safari (they came with IE pre-installed)
      5. Developer Tools (these would be the Apple ones)
      6. Neverwinter Nights
      7. X11
      8. AppleWorks
      9. KOffice (KOffice rocks)
      10. Vim

      If I were to do it again I would update patches first, since there are several for 10.2 currently.
      -WS
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    10. Re:Mac OS X by jared_hanson · · Score: 2, Informative

      It is simple:

      When Microsoft does it, they don't give the computer manufacturer an option to remove it. When Apple does it, you are buying an Apple system from Apple, so they determine the features of the product. If Microsoft sold computer systems they could literally ship them with a kitchen sink and not cross any legal lines.

      I hope, for your sake, that you are never confused about this argument again.

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    11. Re:Mac OS X by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      LaunchBar

      Surely you meant to say "QuickSilver", my good man.

    12. Re:Mac OS X by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You fool. That still doesn't prevent anyone from installing other software. That argument has more holes than swiss cheese.

    13. Re:Mac OS X by OgGreeb · · Score: 2, Informative

      I love Mac OS X as much as you and find it equally easy, but I do have a short list of must-have programs:



      • Konfabulator
      • At least one Ambrosia Software game (usually Escape Velocity) and OttoMatic from Pangea.
      • DejaVu (backup syspref) and CarbonCopyCloner
      • Fugu (secure FTP client)
      • Graphic Converter (just in case)
      • LimeWire
      • MacStumbler (WiFi search tool)
      • Microsoft Remote Desktop Client
      • Timbuktu Pro


      Plus everything in the Software Update syspref.
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    14. Re:Mac OS X by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, it prevents you from uninstalling the original software.

    15. Re:Mac OS X by mst76 · · Score: 1

      Well, if your needs are specialized, any system can be rock solid. I know people with Win2k laptops that only run Visual Studio and LaTeX. I doubt they ever reinstalled Windows.

    16. Re:Mac OS X by jsteven42 · · Score: 1

      I agree... As a registered user of launchbar, I'm sad to say that it has been replaced in my dock by QuickSilver. QS is twice as fast and has more features than Launchbar. If Launchbar upgrades and adds features then I will gladly return, but until then QuickSilver it is.

    17. Re:Mac OS X by Espectr0 · · Score: 1

      menumeters
      phoroshop
      vnc
      vlc
      colloquy
      firefox
      gimp
      lyx
      office
      realone
      transmit
      xchat aqua
      dmsn/yahoo/amsn

    18. Re:Mac OS X by jared_hanson · · Score: 1

      I have a metric shitload of stuff installed on my G5. A lot of the standard Apple programs as well as big name 3rd-part developers (Microsoft, OmniGroup). I also install a lot of shareware, freeware apps from smaller groups or personal developers. Some of these aren't even out of beta.

      I also have a whole range of UNIX tools installed, some from the Fink project and others hand compiled.

      Needless to say, my G5 is anything but "specialized." In spite of this, the system stays remarkably clean and doesn't suffer the performance hit that Windows usually does when you get a bunch of installed software packages.

      Mac OS X is without a doubt the best overall OS I have ever used, and I have firsthand experience with many operating systems.

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    19. Re:Mac OS X by geniusj · · Score: 1

      Just put in an OS X install CD and double click on Install Mac OS X.. Either that or have the CD in and hold C while booting. Once you're in the installer, you should find that one of Installer's menu items is to launch a disk utility (or just Disk Utility). You can format your drive from there.

      If you are just planning on reinstalling OS X, then you can select 'Erase and Install' as your installation option and skip Disk Utility entirely.

      Regards,
      -JD-

    20. Re:Mac OS X by geniusj · · Score: 1

      I second .. or third.. that :) .. I am also a registered launchbar user and have replaced it on many systems with Quicksilver.. I also have Butler which is fine as well, but not as pretty (does a lot more though)..

    21. Re:Mac OS X by cheesy9999 · · Score: 1

      Yeah, most essential stuff comes with Mac OS X (Safari, Mail, iTunes, Terminal, X11), but here are mine: - Salling Clicker - Adium - SubEthaEdit - Fink - Transmit - Graphic Converter - VLC - WeatherPop - Cisco VPN Client

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    22. Re:Mac OS X by macdaddy · · Score: 1

      I'm following the parent's thread and don't see anyone mention a Terminal.crap replacement. God I hate Terminal. Please somebody, PLEASE make a replacement for Terminal! If only for that I'd be happy. There's nothing like being able to quit and lose a dozen active terms with no warning. @#$%^&*()!!!!!

    23. Re:Mac OS X by mjolnir_ · · Score: 1

      Check out GLTerm, which in the 10.1-early 10.2 days was a very nice replacement to the stock Terminal.app.

      http://www.pollet.net/GLterm/

      -mj

    24. Re:Mac OS X by macdaddy · · Score: 1

      I'll have to take a peak at that. I found another one on VersionTracker after I posted my message. Terminal.app is just plain awful. I wish they'd put a little effort into fixing it.

  81. That's funny, I don't install Gator... by plover · · Score: 5, Informative
    The first programs I install on my own box include these:

    I install Mozzie first, then I download and run Spybot Search and Destroy and run the cleanup/immunize functions, and then I install AVG. Nothing else is an "absolute" but I usually install them. (I don't install Visual Studio on other people's boxes, of course!)

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    1. Re:That's funny, I don't install Gator... by gnu-generation-one · · Score: 5, Informative

      Office & Design
      - OpenOffice.org
      - AbiWord
      - GIMP

      Internet & Communication
      - Mozilla
      - FileZilla
      - TightVNC
      - WinHTTrack
      - PuTTY

      Multimedia & Games
      - Audacity
      - CDex
      - Crack Attack!
      - Sokoban YASC
      - Celestia
      - Really Slick Screensavers

      Utilities & Other
      - 7-Zip
      - SciTE
      - WinPT
      - NetTime

      Source: TheOpenCD

    2. Re:That's funny, I don't install Gator... by ktulu1115 · · Score: 1

      Office & Design
      - OpenOffice.org
      - AbiWord
      - GIMP

      Internet & Communication
      - Mozilla
      - FileZilla
      - TightVNC
      - WinHTTrack
      - PuTTY

      Multimedia & Games
      - Audacity
      - CDex
      - Crack Attack!
      - Sokoban YASC

      - Celestia
      - Really Slick Screensavers

      Utilities & Other
      - 7-Zip
      - SciTE
      - WinPT
      - NetTime
      That's funny, I count 18.

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    3. Re:That's funny, I don't install Gator... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Internet & Communication
      - Miranda IM, with a bunch of extensions (weather channel, jabber, etc).
      - Cyberkit (ping, traceroute, DNS, whois, ...)

      Multimedia & Games
      - Mediaplayer Classic
      - AC3filter
      - DScaler (best deinterlacing TV software there is)
      - RTCW-ET, UT2k4 Demo, ...

      Utilities & Other
      - Nero DriveSpeed (free alternative to CD-Bremse, set CD-ROM drive speed)
      - CloneSpy (find and delete duplicate files)
      - Daemon Tools (CD-ROM drive emulator, saves battery power and is convenient)
      - DTemp (harddisk temperature monitoring and SMART readouts)

    4. Re:That's funny, I don't install Gator... by lvdrproject · · Score: 1

      ... Um. Does Mozilla's site instal spyware on your computer? Why would you possibly need to run Spybot after visiting just one site? -_-

    5. Re:That's funny, I don't install Gator... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Mozzie" ROFL! That's such a cool name :-)

    6. Re:That's funny, I don't install Gator... by spiritraveller · · Score: 3, Informative
      ... Um. Does Mozilla's site instal spyware on your computer? Why would you possibly need to run Spybot after visiting just one site? -_-

      No, Mozilla definitely does not install spyware on your computer. Most spyware is added on as part of software that you did intend to install.

      However, the default Windows install does include some things that Spybot will pick up.

    7. Re:That's funny, I don't install Gator... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good thing you know how to install software. Now, how about learning to count up to 10?

    8. Re:That's funny, I don't install Gator... by d99-sbr · · Score: 3, Funny

      Yes, but what do you think of a person who only does the bare minimum? We want you to express yourself!

    9. Re:That's funny, I don't install Gator... by the+sabster · · Score: 1

      WinSCP3 is also a nice utility for secure ftp. It works in conjunction with putty.

    10. Re:That's funny, I don't install Gator... by redog · · Score: 1

      Same reason you install antivirus software before you have a virus. Prevention.

      My favorite feature in spybot is immunize.

      Immunize will prevent spyware from installing or better yet preventing spyware from tricking you into installing it.

    11. Re:That's funny, I don't install Gator... by dillkvast · · Score: 5, Funny

      • America's Army

      That was actually the first thing they installed when they rebooted Iraq.
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    12. Re:That's funny, I don't install Gator... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know who else used flair? The Nazis.

    13. Re:That's funny, I don't install Gator... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "That's funny, I count 18."

      It was a base-18 numbering system, or should I say base-I...

    14. Re:That's funny, I don't install Gator... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Multimedia & Games
      - Audacity
      - CDex
      - Crack Attack!
      - Sokoban YASC
      - Celestia
      - Really Slick Screensavers

      Give me a break. O_O

    15. Re:That's funny, I don't install Gator... by Mc_Anthony · · Score: 0

      Why do you install NetTime? Does this offer any advantages over XP's built in
      ntp stuff? The built in network time client seems to work fine for me.

      Also, I notice you don't install security tools. In my opinion, SpyBot is a
      *necessity* for windoze...

    16. Re:That's funny, I don't install Gator... by daishin · · Score: 0

      I dont want to break it to you, but thats more than 10 programs.

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    17. Re:That's funny, I don't install Gator... by tyldis · · Score: 1

      In fact, that's what caused the crash and made Iraq reinstall.

    18. Re:That's funny, I don't install Gator... by gnu-generation-one · · Score: 1

      Anyone else?

      That's four so far. Would anyone else like to make a comment about not having more than 10 programs worth installing? Join the queue, guaranteed funny modifier.

    19. Re:That's funny, I don't install Gator... by Seq · · Score: 1

      - FireFox
      - PuTTY
      - WinSCP
      - Gaim
      - OpenOffice.org
      - AVG
      - Zone Alarm

      That's about it. I only use windows for school, so when I head back in two weeks I'll have to install the likes of visual studio and such.

      If you don't mind me asking as well, what does abiword offer that openoffice does not?

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    20. Re:That's funny, I don't install Gator... by gnu-generation-one · · Score: 1

      "If you don't mind me asking as well, what does abiword offer that openoffice does not?"

      It's easier to use if you don't want to do something really complex. It's the sort of program you'd give to eight-year-olds so they can learn how to use a computer.

      As a program which does word-processing and nothing else, it's a much nicer interface for writing notes and letters, and anywhere that you don't want the extra overhead of something capable of organising an entire office all by itself. It caters for people to whom less features is a benefit.

    21. Re:That's funny, I don't install Gator... by gnu-generation-one · · Score: 1

      "Why do you install NetTime? Does this offer any advantages over XP's built in
      ntp stuff?
      "

      The primary advantage would be that NetTime runs on Windows98, and XP's built-in NTP program doesn't.

      Another advantage would be that NetTime runs on Windows2000, and XP's built-in NTP program doesn't.

      Besides, anyone who's chosen WindowsXP for themselves probably isn't interested in Free Software, we know that because they installed WindowsXP despite the license agreement. So it would be a bit silly to assume that someone installing TheOpenCD has WindowsXP available. (and that list came from TheOpenCD, which is a CD full of Free Software to use on Windows. I assume they included NetTime because it's small and useful.)

    22. Re:That's funny, I don't install Gator... by Seq · · Score: 1

      How is the ms office compatability. Currently my school wants assignments in a word .doc format.

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    23. Re:That's funny, I don't install Gator... by gnu-generation-one · · Score: 1

      "How is the ms office compatability. Currently my school wants assignments in a word .doc format."

      "AbiWord cannot export Microsoft Word documents at the moment; you should use RTF (see below) for sending files to people who use Word." File format FAQ

      "Rich Text Format, or RTF, is a file format that contains all the formatting information about your file, and which can be read by almost all word processors. This is the format you should use if you need to send a file to someone who doesn't use AbiWord. 'Rich Text Format for old apps' is an older version of RTF, but applications have to be very old to need it. You should use normal RTF unless you know that you need to use the older version."

      In other news, you can rename a .rtf document as .doc. Your prof's computer will then send it to MS-Word (because it has a .doc extension). Their copy of Word will then read it, see that it's a RTF, and open it using the RTF filter.

    24. Re:That's funny, I don't install Gator... by Seq · · Score: 1
      In other news, you can rename a .rtf document as .doc. Your prof's computer will then send it to MS-Word (because it has a .doc extension). Their copy of Word will then read it, see that it's a RTF, and open it using the RTF filter.

      Which is good, because if they don't see .doc, they will not try to open it (I am exactly the opposite in my email correspondence habits).

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    25. Re:That's funny, I don't install Gator... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      actually wouldn't base-18 be base-10 in base-18?

      think about it ...

  82. Why are you even running Windows? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Or might I ask, why are you installing apps replacing functionality that's already included with the OS?

  83. Install once, then ghost by Seth+Morabito · · Score: 3, Informative

    Oh my goodness, I'm in pain just thinking about re-installing every month. I apologize for this not being a direct reply to your question, but it is (I hope) a piece of very useful advice nonetheless.

    If you're re-installing on the same hardware every time, or even on identical but different hardware, I would very seriously recommend buying Norton Ghost. The personal edition is relatively inexpensive. Then, you can get your system installed in a fresh, clean way, patched up as you like it, with whatever programs you choose, and make an image of it. Store the image on a remote server, a DVD-R, split up across CD-Rs, whatever you like. The next time you want to reinstall, just boot up off the Ghost disk and restore the image.

    It will save you so many painful hours of waiting, downloading patches, rebooting, downloading drivers, rebooting, rebooting again, installing programs, rebooting, rinse, repeat.

    1. Re:Install once, then ghost by abiessu · · Score: 1

      Alternatively, a minimal install of linux is under 1gig (redhat 9), and then you just make sure you have a separate partition/harddrive with enough space to do a full-disk backup (or more than one). Then you do a dd from the windows partition to a file in your backup partition for a backup, and another dd to restore the backup.

      Given enough space to save more than one backup image, you can do the 'backup at clean install' and 'backup at core install' and restore to either as desired.

      There's also a tool (called 'ntfsclone' I think, but it's for ntfs only) that more efficiently does this kind of backup, so you only backup as much space as you are using, not the whole partition.

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  84. OS X by mtm · · Score: 3, Informative

    First Ten:

    * LaunchBar - fast key-stroke based launcher
    * OpenOffice.org
    * IntelliJ IDEA - great refactoring IDE
    * FireFox
    * SubEthaEdit
    * xcode
    * Carbonized GNU/Emacs (insert joke here...)
    * Propellerhead's Reason
    * Omni Graffle Professional
    * NetBeans

    Most of the other stuff (unix tools) is already there.

    1. Re:OS X by BobWeiner · · Score: 1

      For me:

      * Butler
      * QuickSilver
      * Desktop Manager
      * Thunderbird
      * Firebird (FireFox?)
      * DejaMenu

      All of them are FREE, stable, and add a lot of extra functionality to the OS.

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    2. Re:OS X by sbeitzel · · Score: 2, Interesting

      If you've installed IDEA, why do you need NetBeans? And, has NetBeans gotten any faster in the past year? Last time I tried NetBeans was in the spring of 2003 and it was just big and slow. I was instantly sold on IDEA after that.

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    3. Re:OS X by Bricklets · · Score: 1

      I'm curious as to why you listed OpenOffice.org. My experience with OOo on the Mac leaves much to be desired so much so that I just sucked it in and bought Office.X (though it was only $50 from school which is a whole lot cheaper than what others have to pay).

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    4. Re:OS X by dthree · · Score: 1

      All depends on what you use it for, since I do web design and multimedia, my osx box gets these 10 first:

      Dreamweaver
      DVD Studio Pro
      Final Cut Pro
      Fire
      Firefox
      Flash
      Font Reserve
      Illustrator
      Photoshop
      Stuffit Standard

      --
      "I forgot my mantra."
    5. Re:OS X by mtm · · Score: 1

      IDEA is my day-in, day-out IDE. NetBeans is there to experiment with (mostly the alpha refactoring for 4.0)

      I have to say that I've never liked IDEs and always found them to be more trouble than they are worth. IDEA was the first one to actually pull me away from emacs. I still am not completely happy with the editor in IDEA, but it's damn close and the refactoring was the icing on the cake (yes, I know that refactoring is available for emacs).

    6. Re:OS X by mtm · · Score: 1

      Actually, that's a type: it should have said "NeoOffice/J", which is much more pleasant. It is a java front-end to OOo, which gives you native fonts, native printer support, anti-aliasing, international input support, etc.

      I also have Office.X installed but only use it to make sure some reports I generate using Apache's POI look right for some clients.

    7. Re:OS X by mtm · · Score: 1

      Cripes! /s/type/typo/

      Oh, the irony...

    8. Re:OS X by gobbo · · Score: 1

      Wow, I love OS X, 6 machines in heavy use without a need for a reinstall ever. When a new machine comes in, it's like this, after the customized OS install:

      for creative machines (default apps minus mail, calendar, chat, imovie):
      * MS Office (hey, it's a campus-wide site license, okay?)
      * Final Cut Pro & After Effects (kind of a package)
      * DVD Studio
      * Macromedia Creative Suite
      * Photoshop
      * Audacity
      * VLC
      * Toast
      * RealOne (*sigh) and Windows Media Player (*heavy sigh)
      * Cleaner (aka media cleaner pro)

      for admin:
      * MS Office
      * Mail, iCal, AddressBook, Preview, iTunes, iPhoto, Safari default installs
      * Firefox
      * Quicksilver (used to be LaunchBar, but prefer QS)
      * BatChmod
      * Notes (the notepad... though eventually they force me to install Lotus)
      * InDesign
      * Meteorologist
      * Fetch
      * BBEdit

      for home (incl. all the default apps):
      * Poisoned ;-)
      * Azureus
      * Audacity
      * Fire
      * Firefox
      * Photoshop
      * VLC
      * Toast
      * Quicksilver
      * BBEdit

      Of course there are a whole stable of other apps that get eventually installed, but those are the core 10 for each setup. Stable as in lots of choice for our needs, and stable as in what, me worry?

      I've reduced our winXX machines down to one win2000 box, which runs Office and the printer, and hosts the iTunes and photo libraries. Weekly de-spyware, regular optimizing, and careful anti-viral, and it doesn't need reinstalling very often! WooTpffff.

    9. Re:OS X by arson1 · · Score: 1

      First 10:

      Latest PHP build
      Latest MySQL build
      BBEdit
      Adobe Creative Suite
      Transmit
      Firefox
      Video Lan Client
      Unison
      Acquisition
      NetNewsWire

      Glad I don't have to install:
      A decent MP3 player (iTunes installed)
      Apache (included)
      SSH (included)
      Microsoft Word (TextEdit can read .doc files)

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    10. Re:OS X by DrEasy · · Score: 1

      On my G4 iBook, these were installed first:

      * X11
      * Eclipse
      * Firefox (although I am usually happy with Safari)
      * MS Office
      * iLife 04, just to get GarageBand (started shipping 2 weeks after I bought my mac, arggghhh, but it didn't cost much to upgrade)
      * i-Installer/TexShop/TeTex

      Considering to install soon:
      * Fink
      * OmniGraffle
      * XCode

      Obviously had my iBook come bundled with the developer tools CD it would have made my life easier...

      --
      "In our tactical decisions, we are operating contrary to our strategic interest."
    11. Re:OS X by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hmm, not including the basic OS X stuff or the iLife stuff (as that comes on new machines), I'd say this is my top ten list:

      * Audio Hijack
      * BBEdit
      * Mailsmith
      * MT-Newswatcher (may eventually replace with Unison)
      * NetNewsWire
      * Nisus Theasurus
      * OmniDictionary
      * Photoshop Elements
      * Real One Player (sigh. Don't really want it but must have it.)
      * Transmit

    12. Re:OS X by geniusj · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure about iBooks.. But with Powerbooks, the developer tools come installed under /Applications somewhere as just a .mpkg.. Are you sure it wasn't there? Or is that only on the pro line?

      Regards,
      -JD-

    13. Re:OS X by geniusj · · Score: 1

      I notice RealOne getting a lot of negative reviews.. Why is that? I understand why it sucks on Windows.. But really, most of those reasons don't exist on the mac. RealOne for mac does not throw crap all over your filesystem, it doesn't leave a long-running app running on your system, it doesn't give you random news events and crap in your systray. Honestly, RealOne for OS X, in my experience, has just worked. Minus the small registration portion you do when you install it, it works great. I know finding it on their website is a different story. But what is it that is wrong with the app itself? It even looks decent.

      -JD-

    14. Re:OS X by DrEasy · · Score: 1

      Well it definitely wasn't in my Applications folder... X11 was on a CD, but I'm not even sure XCode is there (haven't really looked for it yet to be honest). In any case it's available on their web site, so no biggy.

      --
      "In our tactical decisions, we are operating contrary to our strategic interest."
    15. Re:OS X by Bricklets · · Score: 1

      Thanks a bunch for alerting me to NeoOffice/J. I just downloaded it. It's still too sluggish, so I will stick to Office.X. But I will keep an eye on this project. I had thought for sure there wouldn't a decent Mac version of OOo until the suite had hit 2.0, but it looks I was wrong.

      --
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  85. the first thing I install on a windows machine by Ender+Ryan · · Score: 1
    The first thing I install on a windows machine(I use it, get over it) is Linux.

    The first things I install on a Linux machine, in no particular order, gvim(gtk+-2), gnome, galeon(requires mozilla), kde(mostly for konqueror), rhythmbox, mutt, and gimp.

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  86. my first 10 by oddman · · Score: 1

    1) AntiVir Gaurd (a great, free (as in beer) anti-virus program)
    2) FireFox
    3) Thunderbird
    4) Open Office (why hasn't anyone said this yet?)
    5) WinAmp
    6) Trillian
    7) Kazaalite
    8) Bit Torrent (not picky about the specific client)
    9) Ad-Aware
    10) Cdex

    and then come the games. :)

  87. For a Windows user by blobglob · · Score: 1

    For Windows, I'd recommend a few:

    1) Firefox. Obviously.
    2) Spybot S&D (and AdAware, just to be safe).
    3) Agnitum Outpost Firewall (or equivalent).
    4) AVG Anti-Virus Free Edition (unless you already have some commercial one).

    After you've got that sorted, you'd be free to mess around with Winamp, Foobar2000, Powerarchiver, Azureus, Emule or some such.

  88. Are you serious? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You need a hobby. Perpetually reinstalling your OS does not count.

  89. My Top 10 by mikis · · Score: 1

    Total Commander... can't live without it :) Then, WinAmp, UltraEdit, ACDSee, Opera, divx/xvid/vobsub (let's pretend it's one), Kaspersky AV, WinRAR, Nero, Acrobat Reader.

  90. my 10 by squarefish · · Score: 1

    itunes
    norton antivirus
    ws_ftp
    putty
    open office
    editpad
    netscape
    nero
    quicken
    acrobat

    --
    Creationists are a lot like zombies. Slow, but powerful and numerous. And they all want to eat our brains.
  91. Hum by Hard_Code · · Score: 1

    1) Winzip
    2) Adobe Acrobat Reader (you DO read docs for the rest of the software you are installing, right?)
    3) driver updates
    5) antivirus software
    6) Lavasoft adaware
    7) ssh.com windows ssh client
    8) putty
    9) Mozilla and friends
    10) OpenOffice

    --

    It's 10 PM. Do you know if you're un-American?
    1. Re:Hum by Hard_Code · · Score: 1

      Oh, I forgot:

      4) $$$!

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      It's 10 PM. Do you know if you're un-American?
  92. on unix? windows? by mveloso · · Score: 1

    Unix -> gcc, lynx, ncftpd, ncftp, mkisofs, gzip, tcpwrappers, sshd, apache, gnu make, top

    A lot of these are there by default now, at least on Solaris and AIX. But I still prefer to build my own, just so I know what the opetions are.

    win32 -> Winzip, ntp client, pfe

    That's about it for windows. I don't use it for day-to-day stuff, so Office etc isn't an issue.

  93. On MacOS X by numbski · · Score: 5, Informative

    Fink
    Sendmail
    Bring Perl Current
    SpamAssassin and SpamAssassin Milter
    Microsoft Office (Yuck! Please get us an Aqua Native Open Office!)
    Mozilla Firefox
    RealMediaBurner (as close to Nero as you're going to get)
    BitTorrent
    MultiDesktop
    CarbonCopyCloner

    --

    Karma: Chameleon (mostly due to the fact that you come and go).

    1. Re:On MacOS X by remahl · · Score: 1

      My list:

      1. LaunchBar
      2. LiteSwitch
      3. OmniGraffle
      4. SubEthaEdit (Hydra!)
      5. Snapz Pro X
      6. NetNewsWire
      7. OmniDiskSweeper
      8. Transmit
      9. BitTorrent
      10. Developer tools (and PyObjC) [really those are closer to (2)].

    2. Re:On MacOS X by Hornsby · · Score: 1

      I googled for Real Media Burner, but I can't find it? Can you give me the link?

      --
      A musician without the RIAA, is like a fish without a bicycle.
    3. Re:On MacOS X by The+Phantom+Mensch · · Score: 1

      PHP built from source
      Photoshop Elements 2
      DarwinPorts
      Firefox
      jEdit
      MPlayer OS X 2
      NeoOfficeJ (OpenOffice w/ Java GUI, usually looks better than X.11R6 based OpenOffice)
      SQLite
      Thoth
      UnRarX

    4. Re:On MacOS X by Johnny+Mnemonic · · Score: 1


      Microsoft Office (Yuck! Please get us an Aqua Native Open Office!)

      Roger that. I would pay for StarOffice, even, if it was in the $50-$100 range. And I think a fair few other OS X users, would too. Sun, are you listening?

      Although text edit is getting pretty close--could Apple fold OO.org's work into TextEdit?

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    5. Re:On MacOS X by FattMattP · · Score: 1
      What's wrong with the current OpenOffice? What does "aqua native" mean? Isn't that just a skin for the UI?

      I ask as a non-Mac user but someone who will be buying a Mac laptop in the next 12-18 months.

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    6. Re:On MacOS X by axle_512 · · Score: 1

      In OS X, the native windowing system is called Aqua. It's not just a fancy skin on running on top of X-windows. Aqua has some great features. It allows the video chip to do some of the render processing (and that frees up clock cycles on your CPU). It has anti-aliased fonts and in general looks very sharp.
      aqua
      In addition to aqua, OS X comes with an X Server that lets you run programs written for X windows. These windows look clunky and ugly compared to the native GUI.

    7. Re:On MacOS X by zuhl · · Score: 1


      Note: this is a list for Print Graphic geeks :-) Not FOSS in the slightest!

      Adode Creative Suite (technically 3 programs (Photoshop, Illustrator and InDesign)
      Macromedia Dreamweaver
      QuarkXPress (yuk, but I have too much old stuff done in it)
      Folding@Home client
      MS Office (yuk, because it's from the Dark Side, but it's not really bad software)
      BBEdit (the one true text editor!)
      Bunch of OS X Server GUI Admin tools
      Yahoo Messenger
      PC Calc 2 ('cause the icon is an homage to Douglas Adams the Ultimate Answer!)

      And if fonts count as programs (which they do, I guess), then I'm doing a heck of a lot more than 10! :-)

      Though now that I think about it, it's amazing how much stuff that I use daily is just there in the default OS X install. Mail, Safari, iCal, Terminal, iPhoto, iChat. Perhaps if the 80s and 90s had been different, we'd be complaining about Apple taking over all the world by integrating free (as in you didn't pay anything for it) software.

    8. Re:On MacOS X by thecombatwombat · · Score: 1

      Native openoffice is a ways away, but it seems to not be common knowledge that abiword for OS X is coming along nicely.

      So, my OS X list:

      Fink
      X Code
      Gimp
      VLC
      MPlayer (for those few files VLC won't play)
      Abiword
      BitTorrent

      That's all that comes to mind right away, I love my iApps.

    9. Re:On MacOS X by pjt33 · · Score: 1

      Developer tools (for cvs) Fink X11 Unison SubEthaEdit (using cvs to get my syntax files) GNU fileutils GL4Java Fire Acrobat Reader My .profile

    10. Re:On MacOS X by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      NetNewsWire
      MSN Messenger
      OmniOutliner
      Omnigraffle
      Toast
      Poiso ned
      Fugu
      iTerm
      Eclipse
      Route 66

    11. Re:On MacOS X by vonFinkelstien · · Score: 1

      Let's see ---
      1. Fink
      2. Latex
      3. Lilypond
      4. TexShop
      5. Keynote
      6. MacICX (automatic login to Telia ADSL)
      7. now I'm stumped ...

  94. On Linux... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    gcc 3.x, wget, and from there all else follows. Within a few days, Redhat 7.0 can be running KDE 3.2 and OOo. Or I can cheat and just use a DVD.

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    1. Re:On Linux... by rkaa · · Score: 1
      Arghhh.. I forgot...


      11: Xscreensaver (can't live without 'em)

  95. Top 8 only? by Frank+Warmerdam · · Score: 1

    Cygwin
    Emacs
    Mozilla
    Visual Studio 6
    Winamp
    DLL Depends (depends.exe)
    Acrobat Reader
    VNC (client & server)

    sheesh ... only 8, and it seems like enough.

    --
    Geospatial Programmer for Rent
  96. Win:Cygwin. Nix:vi/vim by n1ywb · · Score: 2, Informative

    On Windows it's definately the Cygwin suite. I guess it's really many programs, but they come with a single installer.

    On 'nix, it's definately vi or vim. Bash is a close second.

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    1. Re:Win:Cygwin. Nix:vi/vim by m0smithslash · · Score: 1

      Cygwin is to a Windows box what a steering wheel is to a car. You could do without out, but it might crash a lot. (whoa, that was clever, a nice but lame similie wrapped around a rehashed "windows always crashes" joke. Of course, cygwin won't keep it from crashing, but work with me here people). Then followed closely by emacs.

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  97. For Linux or FreeBSD by Rikus · · Score: 1

    On Linux or FreeBSD:
    ratpoison, rxvt, irssi, Links/lynx/ELinks, nvi/vim/elvis or emacs.

    On Windows:
    Nothing - I don't install things on other people's computers.

  98. Personal first 10 by Woogiemonger · · Score: 1

    Well, first off, my Windows first 10 is: Windows/Windows driver/IE Updates and plugins Norton Antivirus Ad-Aware MS Office and Updates GMud Trillian gvim Adobe Photoshop Alcohol Snood What I'd be more curious about is what the first 10 apps I should install under Linux are. I'm considering converting back to Linux after I learned about OpenOffice saving to PDF files for free in a recent /. article.

    1. Re:Personal first 10 by johnwroach · · Score: 1
      You know it does that in Windows too, right?

      Anything in windows can do it with PDFCreater, although it's more like printing than saving.

      I mean, go to Linux if you want too, but that's a horrible reason.

  99. why? by happyfrogcow · · Score: 2, Funny

    Some people re-install once a year, but if you're anything like me your machine is formatted at least a month.

    No, we're not like you. Why waste time re-installing the same crap every month?

    Your fortune cookie says: You will be replaced by a shell script

    The next "Ask Slashdot", Don't you have anything better to do?

    1. Re:Why? by huh_ · · Score: 1

      Yeah, exactly. Why are you such an idiot?

      And as for my contribution:
      all the service packs/bugfixes

  100. My lsit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My install list includes (in addition to your above list):

    1) quicktime
    2) divx
    3) kazaa lite
    4) office 2003
    5) mirc
    6) ACDSee
    7) AIM
    8) Nero
    9) Mcafee's entire suite
    10) winamp

    My complete install list is much larger, but with so many computers in the house, I just built a Ghost image and take care of it that way. =)

  101. "I use it; get over it" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Good for you. What makes you think anyone gives a shit?

  102. Immediately followed by by devphil · · Score: 5, Interesting


    the Cygwin installer.

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    1. Re:Immediately followed by by Microlith · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      If not for the fact that Cygwin is mind-stabbingly horrible.

      If you want a *nix console, get a *nix machine and have it running headless. The only true way to get a good CLI is one that was designed for one at its base (Linux, BSD, MacOS X.)

    2. Re:Immediately followed by by ajs318 · · Score: 1

      Installing Cygwin on a Windows box is like buying a cat and then trying to teach it to bark. I'd go with the top-level post and install GNU/Linux. Better not to use a computer at all, than to use one piece of software without the source code.

      --
      Je fume. Tu fumes. Nous fûmes!
    3. Re:Immediately followed by by Cro+Magnon · · Score: 1

      I recently bought a new machine with bleeding edge hardware. It took me awhile to get Linux working on it, and in the meantime I used Cygwin. It was a short-term solution, but better than nothing.

      --
      Slow down, cowboy! It has been 4 hours since you last posted. You must wait another few hours.
    4. Re:Immediately followed by by gid · · Score: 1

      Ok, I'll bite.

      Cygwin is fairly nice now. I run another machine with linux on it, but that doesn't help me in windows. Ever try the windows search for seaching text in files? I don't know what it is, but it's unreliable and rarely works for me. Installing cygwin and using grep is nice. Sure there's native port of grep for windows. But the syntax is all funky and most don't support recursion.

      Sometimes I'd rather use an environment I'm more used to. I'd rather have my computer work for me instead of against me.

    5. Re:Immediately followed by by fiftyfly · · Score: 1

      Mmmm every windows install (personall) I do gets some cygwin luvin' pretty quick. It's not there for regular use of unix apps (my desk at home has a drake 10 box and a win2k box on it - synergy is a great peice of software) but for occasional bits and pieces. Like having a ssh server, X11 server, grep, cal, joe etc.

      --
      "Sanity is not statistical", George Orwell, "1984"
    6. Re:Immediately followed by by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I like cmd.exe. Perhaps you and your fellow Unix bigots might take some time and learn it before you bash it. Excuse the pun.

  103. My first ten are: by mr_don't · · Score: 2, Interesting

    After a base my Slackware Current Install:

    (1) FireFox
    (2) Mplayer
    (3) Xmame
    (4) XMMS
    (5) Ethereal
    (6) Blender
    (7) OpenOffice.org
    (8) XCDroast
    (9) Audacity
    (10) THe newest version of GIMP!

  104. Formatted for a month!? by CaptCanuk · · Score: 1

    "your machine is formatted at least a month"

    I thought the poster was talking about formatting his harddrive for a month! I've heard of long format times, and pedantic byte zero-ing but a month is a helluva lot of time to format your harddrive. Unless you had some sort of crazy 400 terrabyte multi-harddrive system on a Pentium 100 that didn't allow you to format simultaneously.

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  105. My top 3 by InsaneCreator · · Score: 1

    Winamp, BSPlayer, Nimo codec pack, eDonkey and Kazaa Lite.

    What?!?!?? :)

    1. Re:My top 3 by Asmodean · · Score: 2, Informative

      I use Shareaza, it's like the Trillian of the P2P world.

      --
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  106. It's what I UN-install and DISable that's importan by potus98 · · Score: 1

    Before I connect to the network to get anything, I have to follow my cheat sheet of programs to turn-off, un-install, or otherwise secure. Windows AND Unix.

    Once that's finally finished, I have to start filling my browser's cache with pr0n!

    --
    This one gang kept wanting me to join cause I'm pretty good with a bo staff.
  107. pirated stuff by PureCreditor · · Score: 1

    AIM
    MSN
    ICQ
    Winamp
    Mozilla
    Winzip
    Textpad
    A dobe Acrobat Reader
    MS Office
    Nero CD Burner

  108. It's a lot more than 10 by mackstann · · Score: 1

    But I guess I'll try and pick the top ones. I'll assume this is a desktop machine.

    screen
    vim
    firefox
    less
    aterm
    gaim
    gimp
    m pd
    python
    scrot ... I guess. I also left out X and a window manager, and ssh, since I'm thinking of "applications," not really just "software."

  109. Linux programs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    python
    zope
    emacs
    cvs/arch
    vnc
    mozilla
    openo ffice
    freeamp
    ncverilog
    jeda

  110. First 10 by sunilhari · · Score: 1

    Microsoft Windows 2000 Microsoft Office 2000 FireFox Adobe Acrobat Winamp SSH Secure Shell AOL Instant Messenger DeadAIM Ad-Aware Kazaa Lite GhostScript/GhostView

  111. Ghost or another partition imager... by GuyFawkes · · Score: 1

    didn't it occur to you to do THIS after a virgin install???????????????

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  112. when the need arises... by tuffy · · Score: 1
    They go back on in roughly this order:
    1. fvwm2
    2. firefox
    3. thunderbird
    4. xmms
    5. FLAC
    6. mplayer
    7. xine
    8. xmame
    9. rox-filer
    10. gimp2
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    Ita erat quando hic adveni.

  113. Can't forget security by jhagler · · Score: 1

    The first ones I install are:

    AVG - one of the best free antivirus' out there
    SpyBot - gotta keep all that spyware off
    Google Toolbar - Yeah, I know, but it's one of the best and least intrusive ways of blocking pop-ups I've found

    --
    Never underestimate the power of human stupidity -RAH
  114. Every month? by Laplace · · Score: 1

    I'm more interested in hearing why you feel compelled to install a clean OS every month. I've been looking at just changing to a different user on my OS X laptop (for network compatability at work), and that itself is a major pain.

    Every month you back up your essential files, install, patch, install over 10 software packages (keep those serial numbers handy) then finish off by configuring your software? In my world that process takes several hours. That's several hours that I can be:

    Writing.
    Spending time with my girlfriend.
    Teasing my cat.
    Working.
    Having a beer with friends.
    Volunteering.
    Hiking.
    Talking to my mother on the phone.
    Sleeping.
    Taking pictures.

    Installing an OS over and over again? What a colossal waste of time. If the stability of your OS is dependent upon reinstalling, it's time to do a quick cost/benefit analysis and figure out if you're really using the right OS.

    --
    The middle mind speaks!
    1. Re:Every month? by idommp · · Score: 1
      It's not the stability of the OS that makes me reformat the drive ever two or three months. It's simply easier to zap everything that has accumulated and start over than to uninstall every piece of junk that I've tested and rejected.

      I have an image cd that I restore that has all the OS with updates and patches and the following stuff that helps me make a living:

      Firefox -- Browser and Java VM
      Thunderbird -- Email and news reader
      AutoCAD -- Gotta do something productive to pay the bills
      Visual Studio-- more production level software
      The Gimp and CorelDraw -- for heavy lifting in the graphics department.
      HAPEdit--great freeware editor/project manager for HTML,ASP,PHP, and all the other text files for managing a web site.
      CutePDF virtual printer--so I can debug print output without killing off another forest
      Adobe Reader-- I have to read the PDF printer output and see if it actually fit on a normal sheet size.
      PowerArchiver -- almost universal compress/decompress program
      WinAmp--stress managment

  115. VNC... by NineNine · · Score: 1

    ...so I can unplug the monitor and get back to work at my main machine and control all of my other machines.

    Then, it's usually Winzip, Textpad, blah, blah, blah. But VNC is always first.

  116. The Mac by leperkuhn · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I realize this is directed as windows / unix, but i'm throwing out my 2 cents for the mac.

    BBedit, transmit, cssedit, mysql, php, ircle, AIM, photoshop, dreamweaver, ms office

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  117. You forgot some essentials! by Kiyooka · · Score: 1

    What about Quicktime? Do you wanna be slow? What about Realplayer? Do you wanna be fake?

    1. Re:You forgot some essentials! by RazzleFrog · · Score: 4, Informative

      Nobody in their right mind installs either of those crapware apps. Quicktime Alternative and Real Alternative work great.

  118. cygwin! by tjmmail · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Don't forget cygwin, so you can actually get some work done.

  119. top 10 by Murf_E · · Score: 1

    hmm I usually just go O I need $PROGRAM and then I go digging through my big pile o CD's or my install files folder I keep on a separate hard drive.

    in no order
    Office (open or MS)
    Nero
    alcohol 120%
    msn
    miranda( no need to reintstall just run it)
    outlook(don't shoot)
    at least two firewalls (turn the XP one off)
    virus scanner if I feel like it
    media player(s)

    I installed collegeLinux on another machine I still haven't seen everything that comes on that CD

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  120. MOD PARENT UP! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Ghost rules.

  121. Install Nothing.... by tbase · · Score: 2, Funny

    Just use the oldest CD you have for the flavor of Windows you want to install, and plug in a cable or DSL modem. You'll have more than 10 apps installed in no time without lifting a finger!

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  122. First 10 by Smoky+D.+Bear · · Score: 1

    1) Zone alarm
    2) AVG
    3) Spybot
    4) Ultimate Zip
    5) Acrobat reader
    6 thru 99) All of the updates.

  123. depends on where, too open ended by onyxruby · · Score: 1
    Hm, depends on what the machine is used for. Here's what I just did for a family member.

    1. tweakui - yup, it's ms but it's damn handy for getting windows in line
    2. clone cd - must have, but looking for good imaging replacement as this is falling by the wayside
    3. acrobat - tried living without it, but too many things require it. many adobe alternatives allow both reading and writing pdf's
    4. nero - just plain useful for vanilla burning
    5. ms office - say what you will, its just damn useful and open office doesn't hold a candle to it - i've tried that for for a while too
    6. quicken - pretty good finances program that needs an open source alternative! the're getting more obnoxious about ads and registration
    7. gnucleus - file sharing that simply works, kind of flaky though
    8. ad-aware - tell people to treat it like anti-virus, does wonders but not as all inclusive as many think
    9. mcafee - av - trend bears looking at too though
    10. win-rar - pretty good at not just zipping but also repairing damaged zip files


    I'll count all the god-awful service packs and security patches as #11 as they take just about as much time to install as the rest combined

    For my own I always install opera as it deals well with things that break ie, but i find most other people aren't too comfortable with it.

    Commercial client - for a generic office use machine I just don't see any need for much anything other than these:

    tweakui
    acrobat
    ms office
    mcafee
    ad-aware (they have to pay though)
    winzip (not the best, but well known)
    1. Re:depends on where, too open ended by revscat · · Score: 1

      ms office - say what you will, its just damn useful and open office doesn't hold a candle to it - i've tried that for for a while too

      What did you find that Office can do that OpenOffice cannot?

    2. Re:depends on where, too open ended by Dr.+GeneMachine · · Score: 1
      What did you find that Office can do that OpenOffice cannot?

      Cooperate with EndNote and/or ReferenceManager, for example... At least that's it for me... Quite handy when writing a lot of scientific stuff.

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    3. Re:depends on where, too open ended by EpsCylonB · · Score: 1

      What did you find that Office can do that OpenOffice cannot?

      A word count function, seriously I prefer to use Open Office but I can't believe they left something so simple out...

  124. first ten by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    adaware
    multimedia: (real flash quicktime shockwave winamp various codecs)
    bittorrent
    mozilla
    acrobat reader
    dvd player
    pscp putty
    winzip
    yahoo messenger

  125. My list by Hythlodaeus · · Score: 1

    Not sure if it counts as an installation, but before anything else I go into the registry and completely disable remote procedure calls over TCP/IP. Why rely on the patch when you have no use for the feature to begin with? Then,

    All the fixes from windowsupdate.com
    Mozilla
    Office
    mIRC
    AIM
    Win Zip
    SSH
    XWin
    Visual C++
    PowerDVD
    The Gimp

    Then the real reason for having a computer, all my games :D

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  126. Windows XP by WapoStyle · · Score: 1
    Well first thing is first. Remove Internet Explorer, Windows Media Player and MSN Messenger.

    Install:

    Firefox

    WinRAR

    Bit Torrent

    DVD X Copy Platinum

    Unreal Tournament 2004

    My Windows machine is very barebones, I will never install 10 things.

  127. In no particular order.... by pi8you · · Score: 1

    Norton Antivirus
    Opera
    Thunderbird
    Winamp
    Photoshop
    Nethack
    DiVX Player
    Firefox
    MobyDockDX
    TweakUI

  128. Cygwin by leachj · · Score: 1

    Cygwin. I would go insane in sort order if I had to use a windows machine for something other then games with out cygwin and all the the lovely stuff it brings on to a windows box.

    1. Re: Cygwin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was going to post a separate thread for Cygwin, but I did a quick search and saw it here.

      Get Cygwin. Make sure you get bash, binutils, binutils, bison, bzip2, flex, gcc, gzip, make, pcre, perl, sharutils, tar, unzip, wget, and zip. Some of those may be default, but you'll want to make sure you get them. Having these will allow you to download and run just about anything.

      If you're familiar with unix commands, don't forget diffutils, grep, less, more, sed, and vim. And if you're planning to do some development, don't forget gdb. ;)

      p.s. Note: You can edit with notepad or visual studio from cygwin, but don't forget to use & to start the process in the background.

    2. Re:Cygwin by rs79 · · Score: 1

      I havn't formatted my main machine since 1994.

      First few installs are:
      djbdns
      postfix
      apache
      mysql
      majordomo
      p ine (for whiney users)
      and then half a dozen of my own content management tools.

      Where do you guys get the time to play games and listen to music? Holy...

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    3. Re:Cygwin by trs998 · · Score: 1

      Windows: Installed whenever it breaks, or a new machine at work (excepting games)
      OS
      drivers
      blaster (when net connection starts working)
      fixes (leave chugging all day)
      blasterfixer
      norton 2003 (2004 ive had problems with, seems to have far more bugs)
      zonealarm
      vice city (why else have windows?)
      half-life
      steam

      Linux (Gentoo) - installed whenever i get a new machine.
      OS
      firesomething (firefox at the moment)
      thunderbird (mozilla mail)
      samba
      xmms (mp3s of share on linux file server)
      openoffice (the following installed over a longer time)
      neverwinter nights
      UT 2004
      KDE (i use Kate a lot)
      The Gimp

  129. Developer Tools by Burianski11 · · Score: 1
    Some of the first installations I do on my personal Windows 2000 Server are:

    1) SQL Server 2000

    2) Visual Studio 6 (to supporting old apps)

    3) Visual Studio .NET (to develop new apps)

    4) VNC

    5) PHP

    6) MySQL

    7) Firefox

    8) Acrobat

    9) Office 2000

    10) OpenOffice

    Bonus Apps:

    11) GIMP

    12) WinAmp

    13) PokerStars

  130. a list for OS X ? by edmz · · Score: 1

    anyone ?

    1. Re:a list for OS X ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      End note, MS Office (I know, I know, but it integrates well w/ endnote which is a must for me), XCode, Fink (to get Bluefish, joe and other unixwares), gimp.app, desktop manager, More (which keeps me in classic mode, no substitute I'm afraid), filemaker, toast, my own stuff: TAMS Analyzer and books2burn. Oh, well, that's 11.

  131. On Linux... by thre5her · · Score: 1

    nethack Gnome 2.6 XMMS XEmacs + auctex Firefox Thunderbird gaim GIMP giFT + giFTcurs Enemy Territory

  132. my ten by wfmcwalter · · Score: 1
    On WinXP:
    1. zonealarm (I hate it, it gets worse each time, but I can't find ANY open-source/free equivalent)
    2. AVG-antivirus
    3. Mozilla
    4. cygwin (incl cygwinX)
    5. Xemacs
    6. putty
    7. winzip (I really should find an OS equivalent, but 7zip's ui is nasty and I dunno what else there is)
    8. zinf (although I may be defecting back to winAMP, purely for the swirly things)
    9. filezilla
    10. openoffice
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  133. Linux desktop checklist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    On my linux desktop, I start with the basic stuff and go from there...

    1. ncftp
    2. wget
    3. telnet (client)
    4. emacs
    5. X11
    6. Gnome
    7. Mozilla Firefox
    8. XMMS
    9. Evolution
    10. Gimp

  134. Security and Privacy First by N8F8 · · Score: 1

    Norton AntiVirus
    XP-AntiSPy
    Ad-Aware
    Scite
    ffDShow
    V ideoLan Client
    Power Archiver 6.11
    MS Office
    FileZilla
    Firebird

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  135. hmm by AdelaideBriena · · Score: 1

    After installing/updating Windows... (1) Norton AV (2) Dreamweaver/Flash 2004 (3) Adobe Photoshop (4) SSH client (5) Winamp (2.8) (6) Japanese IME those i'll consider to be my essentials, then: (7) Red Hat (8) Open Office it changes from there on out I suppose. hmm, from there it's different every time

  136. First ten... by protohiro1 · · Score: 1

    1.) Mozilla FireFox -- do people still use IE?
    2.) WinZip -- although with XP this is less essential
    3.) Adobe Photoshop -- this is absolutely essential, but CS is not
    4.) Adobe Illustrator
    5.) Adobe After Effects...if only I could afford Combustion
    6.) Alias Maya--This is my main app, but it takes forever to install, so I install it later
    7.) Macromedia Flash MX 2004 -- love hate with this one, but I need it for work
    8.) PuTTY
    9.) Spybot S&D
    10.) Norton AntiVirus

    about $5k worth of software all told...my job has a lot of overhead.

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  137. Fedora is pretty complete by marcjw · · Score: 1

    My latest favorite distro - Fedora - is pretty complete already meaning I don't have to install very many other apps. Of the ones missing, I'd say the most important to me are
    Synaptic
    Firefox
    Gkrellm
    Gentoo (file manager)
    Audacity
    Java and other plugins

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  138. How did this get accepted??? by jlockard · · Score: 1

    I am surprised that this got accepted as a Slashdot article. Reinstalls the computer every month? Why? I mean if your computer gets so effed after a month of use, you REALLY need to re-evaluate the OS you're using or the way you're using the OS.

    I would have more expected this to be a slashdot poll and not a full-fledged article. Must be a slow "news" day.

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  139. The first obvious answer... by jakel2k · · Score: 1

    The OS.

  140. Yuck! by Paul+d'Aoust · · Score: 2, Informative

    What an ugly list. I shoulda previewed first. Here it is, this time formatted.

    I install Firefox right off the bat too. Here's my list:

    1. Firefox
    2. Thunderbird
    3. AVG Anti-Virus
    4. Mime handlers; e.g., Flash, QuickTime, Adobe Reader
    5. Windows XP SP1, DirectX 9, and Windows Media Player 9
    6. FilZip (or some other archiving program)
    7. OpenOffice.org
    8. HTML-Kit
    9. GIMP
    10. iTunes

    And for Linux:

    1. GNOME
    2. Firefox
    3. Evolution (along with fetchmail and an IMAP server
    4. gAIM
    5. GIMP
    6. extra Xscreensavers (like Really Slick Screensavers' GLX port)
    7. XMMS
    8. OpenOffice.org
    9. Inkscape
    10. giFT
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  141. Install after the install? by maverick215 · · Score: 1

    Didn't know anyone did this anymore.. I figured everyone was like me and just maintained an "unattended install" disc with the lastest versions of all their favorite programs...
    sure ghost is quick.. but it also is quick to become dated.. /me wonders how many ghost users still have mirc or other older (more vulnerable) programs on their image...
    I'll stick with unattended installs.
    http://unattended.msfn.org/

  142. OS X by Otter · · Score: 1
    It's indicative of the great polish Apple has put on OS X that it's not so easy to come up with a list. On Classic, it was easy -- LiteSwitch, PopChar, Natural Order, an MP3 player, Telnet/SSH client...

    On OS X -- MS Office, Mozilla, FruitMenu or similar utility, Furthur client and Shorten, X-chat Aqua, Toast, Jewish Calendar, NewsWatcher -- beyond that, I don't need that much.

    Hmmm, I see there's now an OS X version of PopChar, though.

  143. Once a month...? by NineNine · · Score: 4, Funny

    Wouldn't this guy's time be better spent reading a "Computers for Dummies" book so he wouldn't have to re-install every month?

    1. Re:Once a month...? by RedA$$edMonkey · · Score: 0

      Once a month eh? Maybe the first thing to install is one of these

    2. Re:Once a month...? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wouldn't this guy's time be better spent reading a "Computers for Dummies" book so he wouldn't have to re-install every month?

      But he said he was using Windows.

    3. Re:Once a month...? by sharkey · · Score: 1

      Sounds like he already did.

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  144. Unzip. Install complete. by Teraiten · · Score: 1

    I installed everything on my windows box till it included what I need (and was still stable, well, for a windows box). Then I went into linux and zipped C:\program files and C:\windows

    When I want windows to be fresh again, I just back my important stuff up, rename C:\windows and C:\program files to C:\windows_old and C:\program files_old and I unzip the archives.

    Reboot and I'm done. Maybe fix a few little things (like putting my desktop back). But it takes less time than installing everything separately.

  145. First 10 by GangstaLean · · Score: 0, Redundant

    Win2k SP4
    Hotfix KB837001
    Hotfix KB835732
    Hotfix KB828749
    Hotfix KB828741
    Hotfix KB828035
    Hotfix KB329115
    Hotfix KB823182
    Hotfix KB823559
    Hotfix KB824105

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  146. OS X Apps by harveyswik · · Score: 1

    ...don't need to be reinstalled if you have a spare HD. Just drag the important stuff over, reinstall on the main drive and drag it back.

    Of course, since I've only ever had reason to do this once since OS X came out(new HD), YMMV.

  147. Forget 7-Zip by cybermace5 · · Score: 5, Informative

    I don't like 7-Zip, there are some compatibility issues I've found with encrypted Zip files, and the user interface is really clunky.

    Instead, use the other free alternative, IZArc. It handles everything, plus 7-Zip, actually. The user interface is very clean and contains at least as many features as WinZip. Gets a full recommendation from me!

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    1. Re:Forget 7-Zip by Famatra · · Score: 2, Informative

      "Instead, use the other free alternative"

      If you are going to make that claim, at least say it is ONLY free as in BEER and NOT FREEDOM.

      IZArc's Distribution License right from their own website:

      "IZArc may be freely distributed on the Internet, on CD/DVDs or on disks, provided that the original files inside the distribution file are not modified, the program is not bundled with illegal or offensive material.. Feel free to contact us at anytime regarding the distribution of IZArc."

      I'll take 7-Zip free (as in FREEDOM) program instead, thanks.

    2. Re:Forget 7-Zip by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      On the topic of free zip tools: Is there a performance comparison somewhere? Specifically I find that PowerArchiver (old versions are freeware) creates the smallest ZIPs, but since it had some data-loss bugs (doesn't zip .name files, for example), I'm looking for an alternative which isn't far off compression-wise.

    3. Re:Forget 7-Zip by _bug_ · · Score: 1

      Just tossing out another free alternative

      FilZip

      I usually have both FilZip and 7-Zip installed as FilZip was missing a few of the more obscure compression methods that 7zip supports.

      But FilZip has a much cleaner interface and it's what I recommend to anyone who asks.

      Plus, it's free.

    4. Re:Forget 7-Zip by aardvarkjoe · · Score: 2, Funny
      ...at least say it is ONLY free as in BEER and NOT FREEDOM.

      Also, don't forget to specify whether or not it's free as in freeloader, free as in freezer, free as in freeway, free as in freestyle, free as in freeman, or, of course, free as in freemason.
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    5. Re:Forget 7-Zip by WhiteDragon · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That does look pretty good. The only thing is that, while it is free as in beer, You may not reverse engineer, decompile, disassemble, or modify IZArc. While this sounds like just a typical free(libre) software fanaticism, I do actually have a point. I used to use software called powerzip, which was distributed under a similar license. Later on, however they started charging for it and not allowing unlimited distribution. In fact, IIRC, Winzip itself used to be "freeware". The point is that free software can never be made non-free. Long live the GPL! </rant>

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    6. Re:Forget 7-Zip by Chibi+Merrow · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      Yes because no matter how unusable and un-useful it is, the program that I have unfettered access to the source is inherently better... *bonk* If the guy doesn't care about not having the source in front of him to make mad hot monkey love to then let him be...

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    7. Re:Forget 7-Zip by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > compatibility issues I've found with encrypted Zip files

      What kind of jerk thinks there's any security with encrypted zip files? There are trivial crackers all over the ent. Zip is for compression, and GPG is for encryption. Don't confuse the two.

    8. Re:Forget 7-Zip by cybermace5 · · Score: 1

      I'm fully aware of THAT...I don't use encrypted Zip. However, other people sometimes do, and 7-Zip would not open them. That was a while back, so I haven't tested it recently.

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    9. Re:Forget 7-Zip by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      benchmarks

      but usually these compare different formats rather than how well each compresses zip files.

      Igor Pavlov likes to claim that 7-zip creates smaller zips than anything else, but I haven't seen any third party comparisons even interested in that.

    10. Re:Forget 7-Zip by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have some free software for you then, but it might come with some extra 'goodies'.

      Don't ask why its sending TCP/IP packets to some place though, thats just an 'undocumented feature' for your convience ;).

    11. Re:Forget 7-Zip by osgeek · · Score: 1

      Obviously, the general computer-using populace doesn't think of "free" in the way that you people must rabidly insist upon its being used.

      Get over it. This is free advice. Free as in "it's fucking free, everyone understands what I mean without having to tack on a bunch of extra crap to satisfy your hang-ups."

    12. Re:Forget 7-Zip by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It is because WinZip uses some proprietary, unknown and non-standard encryption scheme for it. Most people don't know this.

    13. Re:Forget 7-Zip by CYberPhreak · · Score: 1

      Hey, man, you forgot Freebird.

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    14. Re:Forget 7-Zip by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Get over it. This is free advice. Free as in "it's fucking free, everyone
      > understands what I mean without having to tack on a bunch of extra crap to
      > satisfy your hang-ups."

      Oh, I get it..it's like free as in being an American...

      Not everyone is as stupid is you, you know.

    15. Re:Forget 7-Zip by cHiphead · · Score: 1

      the interface point is moot, i prefer the winrar interface, but all i ever end up using is the right click menus and 7zip has the nifty pause button and i dont have to spend money to use it. ergo, 7-zip is teh win.

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    16. Re:Forget 7-Zip by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Obviously, the general computer-using populace doesn't think of "free" in the way that you people must rabidly insist upon its being used."

      Hense the grandparent's suggestion that future comment authors, in the future, distinguish the difference when talking to geeks.

      If they don't know the difference it is for us to educate them.

  148. Best patch for linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Install Windows Server 2003, No hazzles, fully working GUI, standard window manager, drivers availble for all modern hardware, nearly an industry standard and safe by default.

    but best of all, no need to configure SAMBA.

  149. Some of my first by Kadagan+AU · · Score: 1

    Ok, I just reinstalled two days ago, for the first time in years and years. Here's what I had to do to make it useable:

    0) Install all my drivers (I ended up adding this to the list after the fact)
    1) Install all service packs and hotfixes
    2) Install McAfee and update it
    3) Download and install Opera and import my old mail
    4) Download and install geOShell to stop using explorer ;)
    5) Download and install gaim
    6) Download and install MUSHclient (gotta mud!)
    7) Download and install winamp
    8) By this time I really needed to put Battlefield: Vietnam on ;)
    9) Ok, I haven't gotten to this step yet since I installed BFV, but I need to install exceed (not-so-free X server), and map all my network drives, then I should be at a completely usable state.

    Is this basically like everyone does?

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  150. For OS X by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    iLife '04 (5 apps really)
    XChat Aqua
    Gimp 2
    BitTorrent
    Backup
    VLC

    And that's all that I really need to add.

    1. Re:For OS X by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oops. I forgot one more. Carbon Emacs.

  151. dunno if that's ten ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Antivirus (PC-cillin)
    Firewall (Kerio)
    visit windows update, get critical patches.
    all new drivers (dat-files, gpu-driver, "cpu-driver", soundcard-driver, etc.)
    Mozilla Firefox and Mozilla Mozilla
    Leech FTP
    Winzip
    Apache (2.38?)
    Adobe Acrobat reader 6
    Quicktime
    MS ImageComposer (pirat) ...
    hex-editor
    "games" ...
    ah yah, and unbind NetBIOS from TCP/IP, plus
    disable DCOM and intall NetBEUI from XP CD ...

    used to have mIRC and Realplayer too, but not safe, so out they go.

  152. actually... by DrStrangeLoop · · Score: 1

    ...there are operating systems out there which dont require a ridiculous number of tools to be installed to let you get productive.
    i mean really, install third party software just so you can talk http, ftp and ssh?
    but of course, i have been there :)
    so heres my incomplete list:

    net|open bsd:
    bash
    screen
    nmap
    sudo

    osx:
    bbedit (editor)
    vlc (media player)
    colloquy (irc client)
    fire (im client)
    gpg (crypto suite)

  153. Here are my first 10 on OS 10.3 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This does not include all the stuff that comes with the system (Safari, Mail, etc.)

    1.NotePad Deluxe -I loved Note Pad on OS 9 and this is a great replacement
    2.BitTorrent - Gotta get those anime fansubs
    3.Mplayer OS X 2 -Need to play .avi files
    4.Video Lan Client -Plays some files better than MPlayer
    5.RealONE Player -Just use it for Real streaming video.
    6.BBEdit Lite -A great text editor.
    7.Web Dumper X (Pr0n retriver)
    8.Pacifist
    9.LimeWire
    10.Conversation (IRC Client)

  154. Linux machine by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I will install.. Nothing ! it's
    already there. Ok, not quite.
    1. Firefox
    2. Thunderbird
    3. Jin (chessclient for ICC)
    4. Azureus
    5. Apollon
    6. Mplayer
    7. Xine
    8. Scid (chess again)
    9. K3b

    Happily running Fedora Core 1, soon Core 2.

  155. what a funny little game ;-D by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    gentoolkit
    emacs
    xorg
    kde
    mplayer
    amarok
    ope n-office
    gimp

    Though I cant really remember, since Im one of those strange guys that dont reinstall their OS once a month.

  156. Top 10 apps... by kdorff · · Score: 1

    Ultraedit
    Winamp
    WinDVD
    Mozilla Firefox
    Gaim
    Winrar
    Office
    Nero
    Norton Antivirus
    Paint Shop Pro

  157. My Top N. by _bug_ · · Score: 2, Informative

    Besides what was stated in the news story, and what is grabbed on Windows Update...

    Miranda
    Lightweight ICQ/IM app with plugin support for IRC/Jabber/etc..

    FilZip
    Free zip, rar, etc... util

    PuTTY
    Best SSH client for windows, and it's free

    WinSCP
    SFTP/SCP Client, free

    Crimson Editor
    Text Editor / IDE, supports color-coding source code and such. Very handy.

    Mozilla
    FireFox is nice, but I need a decent mail app and I like Moz for that.

    Media Player Classic
    Best. App. Ever. As long as you've got the codec installed, this handy thing will play the media files for you. This includes QuickTime, RealPlayer, and even Flash movies.

    Nimo Codec Pack
    A compilation of video and audio codecs as well as stream switchers, extra directshow filters, and nifty bits. Rather than hunting down individual codecs for XviD, 3vix, OGG, etc... this pack does it all in one operation.

  158. Once a month??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe if you weren't running windows you wouldn't have to reinstall your OS once a month...;)

  159. File manager first! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Total Commander. Miranda ICQ, Eudora, Opera, Winamp, mIRC, putty, EditPad Classic. Forte Agent, ACDSee old version, Webster's dictionary.

  160. My Windows List by CyberSlugGump · · Score: 1


    1) 7-zip. Like WinZip but Open source!

    2) Mozilla. 'nuff said

    3) SciTe. Excellent text editor. Open Source

    4) AutoIt. Scripting/automation language for Windows, also open source.

    5) FinePrint. Best shareware Ever. N-up printing, universal print preview, extract to image, text, metafile

    6) rjhExtensions Add "Copy Path to Clipboard" and "Command Prompt" to right-click menu.

    7) IrfanView good freeware image viewer

    8) Adobe Acrobat Reader 5.1--because I hate 6.0 and GSView is not quite good enough yet :(

    9) Microsoft Office.... yeah I know, I know

    10) TweakUI

  161. My list by brian6string · · Score: 0

    1. Mozilla
    2. Filezilla
    3. Token 2
    4. WinSQL
    5. Cygwin
    6. WinMerge
    7. WinCVS
    8. JAJC
    9. iTunes
    10. PHPTriad

  162. Too much crap by GlassUser · · Score: 1

    Most people install all sorts of half-working crap. All of you with Trillian probably have no idea how to run a secure system (rule number one - never log on as root/administrator unless you need to do something administrative).

    So, ranting aside, here's my list. Might go to more than ten:

    1 Windows Media Player 9
    2 Media Player Classic custom (includes a bunch of codecs too, packaged in a nice normal MSI)
    4 Windows XP Powertoys (most of 'em)
    5 WackGet (wget-based HTTP and FTP download manager)
    6 Office 2003
    7 Miranda IM (custom package with plugins)
    8 NoPopIE
    9 daemon-tools (virutal image->cd drive driver)
    10 uxtheme.dll patch (so I can use free themes)

    Here is a list of crap that will never be on one of my systems:
    flash/shockwave: nonstandard security-hole-ridden garbage. I don't have space to list the ways this annoys me, and I miss nothing of import.
    anything adobe: All crap. They don't seem to know how to use a window manager, instead making their own slow custom interface. For everything.
    Trillian: I tried discussing it with the authors, but they don't care about how to make something that works with any speed, or works right on NT. They'd rather spend more time messing up their sloooow custom skinning code (which you can't turn off).
    Spybot/adaware/et al: I don't get it. You idiots can go on running your web browsers as local administrator and download the latest exploit daily. Personally, I know how to use a computer.

  163. Textpad by turnstyle · · Score: 4, Informative
    I've long wished for WinBBEdit, but I've been quite happy Textpad user for years.

    A fine text editor!

    --
    Here's what I do: Bitty Browser & Andromeda
    1. Re:Textpad by justMichael · · Score: 2, Informative

      I used to be a TextPad user, but moving between Win/Mac/Linux depending on location I wanted something that was the same across the board.

      I settled on jEdit since it also supports regular expression search and replace and that was the "killer" feature in TextPad for me.

    2. Re:Textpad by Jad+LaFields · · Score: 2

      I second the Textpad recommendation, but I'm going to have to check out jEdit as the sibling suggests as I have the same switching from Windows/Linux problem.

      Damn, this a great Ask Slashdot, I'm getting all these awesome programs!

      --
      [SIG] It's like putting a moose in the blender -- a recipe for disaster!
    3. Re:Textpad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Textpad... didn't impress me. Too clunky. Doesn't offer anything the other shareware editors are missing, and isn't any cheaper to make up.

      jEdit impressed me, but it was toooooo slooooooooooow. I've used fast Java apps, but this wasn't one.

      I settled on UltraEdit, which does things mostly the way I like them. Now I'm waiting for Wine to support it so I can migrate to Linux. ;)

    4. Re:Textpad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Another excellent and free text editor is Crimson Editor:

      http://www.crimsoneditor.com/

      go on, give it a try...you'll like it. I promise.

    5. Re:Textpad by macdaddy · · Score: 1

      OH man, BBEdit is 'da bomb. I love BBEdit to death do us part. Besides being a Mac head (for the GUI), BBEdit is probably my most used Mac tool. I write everything in it from perl and shell scripts to HTML and PHP code. All my MRTG and Nagios configs are generated with BBEdit of course. Hell I do everything in it. I too wish they had a Windows version. Nothing else for Windows seems to come close to BBEdit. Come on Bare Bones. Give us a Windows version! Maybe I just need to get a new Mac. :-)

    6. Re:Textpad by macdaddy · · Score: 1

      LOL. Sex toys? Is there something you're trying to tell us?

    7. Re:Textpad by justMichael · · Score: 1

      heh, actually I have a few different reasons for that being there... but it has generated some sales ;)

    8. Re:Textpad by tommykat · · Score: 1

      I remember BBEdit on the Macs back in Primary School. The only difference is that back then it was the teacher writing the web pages.

      --
      Do you have an oblem?
    9. Re:Textpad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I use JG Soft's EditPad Lite 5.10.

      It's free for personal use. Has all the normal text editor bells & whistles like converting case, ROT-13, etc. Reads and converts between multiple line-break formats. Opens multiple documents in a tabbed interface. Unique text block selection capability lets you choose any square of text. Has a "preview in browser" button for html docs.

      I used EditPad 2.3 ("Edit Pad Classic") for years. These have always been in the first few apps I install on a new WinBox. (posting anonymously so I can mod this discussion...)

  164. WTF?! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I can't believe you have to reinstall that often, either you're totally incompetent or you have some kind of fetish.

    I've been running the same XP install for almost two years and it works fine my only two issues are my shoddy ATI drivers and my Wacom tablet drivers.

    I'd say 90% of bad windows cruft is from morons installing stuff they shouldn't be and then not un installing it propery (for example they use the uninstaller heh)

    In install this and that, other things and my apps, I use my computer for roughly 12 hours a day for development and entertainment. The frequency of your installs is directly proportional to your incompetence at operating a computer. And I've yet to meet a problem with 2K or XP that actually required a full reinstall if you know what you're doing, that includes corrupted MBR and Kernels.

    Go buy a Mac

  165. firewall! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm impressed... noone cites a firewall in their top 10 list (for windows)...
    This should be the first priority.
    So my list would be:
    1. Sygate Firewall pro
    2. Norton antivirus
    3. Acrobat
    4. Scientific workplace (yeah.. no OOo or MSoffice)
    5. VMware
    6. winrar
    7. winamp
    8. emule
    9. ABC (bittorrent client)
    10. firefox (wow, I almost forgot...)

  166. My first 10 programs on Linux, Mac and Windows by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    On a windows box:
    Hotfixes
    Firefox
    Trillian
    change music file associations to open with WMP6
    Warcraft 3

    On a Linux box:
    nano
    [lynx|links] - depends on my mood
    screen
    mpg123, ogg123
    Emacs
    X
    Sawfish
    Firefox
    GAIM
    GKrellM
    Xmms
    aterm

    On a Mac:
    Firefox
    Developer Tools

    It's sort of interesting that I use most of the default programs on a Mac, but not on Windows (and Linux, of course, doesn't have defaults)

  167. Linux Top Ten by md81544 · · Score: 1

    Xine
    Mplayer
    gnuCash
    Open Office
    JEdit
    Audacity
    Evolution
    Firefox
    KDevelop
    LAMP

    Of course, a lot of these already come with most distros anyway...

    1. Re:Linux Top Ten by sargatanas · · Score: 1

      my linux top ten 01 lame 02 gmplayer 03 limewire 04 fluxbox 05 gtk-gnutella 06 cdrecord.ProDVD 07 java plugin 08 flash plugin 09 eterm 10 latest linux kernel assumes that konqueror, mozilla, gimp, xcdroast, xmms, and gaim already installed with distro.

  168. Total Commander! by apocamok · · Score: 1
    My Windows list:
    • 1. Total Commander - Indispensible but non-free file manager with a ton of features
    • 2. Mozilla - Great email client and browser
    • 3. UltraEdit32 - Great but non-free editor
    • 4. Irfanview - Great image viewer
    • 5. Winamp - Nice audio player
    • 6. Dreamkeys - Great but discontinued keyboard-mapping program for controlling Winamp
    • 7. FavSyncClient - My own program for easy synchronization of bookmarks between machines
    • 8. Miranda - Multi-network Instant Messenger
    • 9. SharpReader - RSS Aggregator
    • 10. Various GNU Utils - wget, grep etc.
    1. Re:Total Commander! by Xian97 · · Score: 1

      I have to agree here.

      Total Commander is definately the first program I put on in any new Windows install.
      Ultra Edit is also near the top of my list, the best Windows text editor by far.
      WinAmp is also one of the first programs I install.
      I prefer Opera to Mozilla
      ACDSee instead of Irfanview.

      Except for the choice of browser and picture viewer/editor our top 5 are pretty much the same.

      The rest of my top 10 would be:
      Eudora - leave the virus of the day with MS LookOut behind
      Win RAR - manages most archive formats
      Nero Burning ROM - an alternate would be Burn At Once if you are looking for a free Windows burning program
      Clipmate - great utility for managing multiple clipboard items
      Secure CRT - last but not least, I have to do some work sometimes

      Of course many of these programs also need plugins and codecs installed as well.

  169. Re:Mac OS X -- Get a by matthewcharlesgoeden · · Score: 2, Funny
    Get alife! Not an ilife.

    (I had too)

  170. Nope, definately not once a month.. by pacsman · · Score: 1

    Linux scumpuppy 2.4.22-1.2149.nptl #1 Wed Jan 7 13:08:26 EST 2004 i686 i686 i386 GNU/Linux
    [scumpuppy]$ uptime 15:01:37 up 36 days, 2:12, 15 users, load average: 0.46, 0.36, 0.35

  171. #1 = Midnight Commander! by scovetta · · Score: 1

    1- Midnight Commander
    2- WinZIP
    3- Winamp
    4- Java SDK
    5- Fire[bird|fox]
    6- Visual Studio
    7- MS Office
    8- Adobe Acrobat
    9- Ghost[script+view]
    10- My \utility directory with a few hundred command line utilities, lviewpro, wfetch, and a bunch of other simple utilities.

    --
    Wer mit Ungeheuern kämpft, mag zusehn, dass er nicht dabei zum Ungeheuer wird. --Nietzsche
  172. Helpful things from Microsoft... by Kelmenson · · Score: 1
    Microsoft actually has some very helpful programs for XP from their site.

    TweakUI, configure many useful hidden settings in Windows.

    Open Command Window Here, useful for getting to the command prompt from any window you happen to be in.

    Power Calculator, a great graphing calculator with built in function support. Very handy.

    Online ClearType configuration, an online extra-powerful setup for the excellent ClearType subpixel font system in XP.

    Then also turn off all the "hide extensions" and turn on "classic view".

    Aside from that, the basics... AVG antivirus, FireFox, etc. But its good to see Microsoft actually providing some good extra utils for their OS.

  173. First 10? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I can give you the first few...

    OSX:
    System Update
    Firefox or Camino
    Development Kit/Package
    Latest Acrobat
    PhotoShop
    vnc
    OpenOffice

    Solaris 8:
    Latest Recommended Patchset
    ufs logging
    jass
    ssh
    screen
    tripwire
    Newest firefox/mozilla
    acrobat
    ImageMagick
    vnc
    OpenOf fice

    Solaris 9:
    Latest Recommended Patchset
    ufs logging
    jass
    screen
    tripwire
    Newest firefox/mozilla
    acrobat
    ImageMagick
    vnc
    OpenOf fice

  174. well... by rabidlamb · · Score: 1

    1. Moz Firefox (browser)
    2. Photoshop (graphics)
    3. Homesite (HTML/PHP Editor)
    4. FileZilla (FTP)
    5. PuTTY (ssh)
    6. iTunes (media player)
    7. Gaim (instant messenger)
    8. SETI@Home (find aliens)
    9. Java (excellent)
    10. UT2K4 (ULTRA-KILL)

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    Common sense isn't.
  175. None by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    I don't need to install anything. Windows XP ships with everthing I need.

    (Don't ask why I posted AC!)

  176. My Top 10 list ;) by denjin · · Score: 1

    1. Windows update (But I do splitstream an XP SP1+hotfix install onto a CD anyway).
    2. Latest video card drivers
    3. Latest Sound Drivers
    4. 7-zip (covers lots of compression formats)
    5. Kerio Personal Firewall
    6. Cygwin tools (for openssh and a few other things)
    7. VanDyke SecureCRT. I know it's not free, but I like it more than Putty
    8. iTunes
    9. Gaim and the gaim encryption plugin
    10. Firefox and the Tabbed Browser Extensions

  177. My First 10 by RedWolves2 · · Score: 1

    After I install the OS (Windows XP) and security updates:

    1. Office 2003
    2. Visual Studio .NET
    3. SQL Server 2000 Desktop Edition
    4. FileZilla
    5. MSN Messenger
    6. RSS Bandit
    7. Photoshop 7
    8. ActiveSync
    9. Adobe Acrobat 6
    10.BitTornado

    Programs that come convienently bundled with XP
    1. Internet Explorer
    2. Windows Media Player
    3. Folder Compression Zip Utility

  178. All the same by Finuvir · · Score: 1

    Most answers will be the same I guess to a large extent. Everyone'll have browser, email client, media player, office suite, some utilities, games and something specific to their field of work.
    For the record:
    Firefox
    Thunderbird
    WinZip and WinRAR - I know I don't need both but...
    WinAmp and iTunes - Winamp for video, iTunes for music and iPod synching
    OpenOffice - so much better than MS Office for me, I wouldn't care if the prices were reversed (well maybe a little - but I'd still choose OO.o if MSO was free)
    Audacity and CDex - Music editing and CD ripping, I got these from a previous ask slashdot on free Windows software
    FileZilla - The best FTP program I've found, feel free to educate me
    KaZaA Lite K++ - couldn't find this last time so I had to get Limewire to find the K++ installer!
    And because of what I do, Apache, PHP, Opera.

    --
    Why is anything anything?
  179. Not Quite 10 by KU_Fletch · · Score: 1

    1) OO.o because I refuse to use MS Office now 2) Winzip because I'm a tool to the system 3) AdAware because Claria are a bunch of hosers 4) Photoshop 5) Illustrator (both are legal, thank you very much) 6) WinAmp 5.x because it makes me happy 7) EphPod because I like to circumvent the DRM on my iPod 8) ws_ftp because i love its simplicity

    --
    It's not stupid. It's advanced.
  180. On windows? Here's the whole interoperability kit by rwa2 · · Score: 4, Informative
    1. Cygwin - get the POSIX environment on!
    2. PuTTY - the only terminal I've found that handles colors and stuff right.
    3. TightVNC - get to some other computer
    4. OO.o
    5. vim - I'm not even a VI guy, but it's fast and has nice hooks into explorer and I'm too lazy to deal with registering TextPad or whatever. JEdit's also nice, but way too slow for casual use... I usually go straight to emacs for that kind of editing.
    6. Mozilla / Firefox / etc. - and the plugins:
    7. Winamp - get the groove on
    8. MPlayer - it handles just about all the codecs
    9. MultiDesk - usable multiple desktops for Windows... like getting that 10% productivity improvement for having dual monitors without having to pay 100% more in displays. If only it had a visual pager...
    10. Windows PowerToys - because every little option matters
    Usually hit windowsupdate several times first, of course.

    More on Linux and MacOS X later, I guess...

  181. VNC by einnor · · Score: 1

    VNC. Nothing like remote control of my box and the boxes in QA. Great for work at home; it's a bit slow over a modem, but you can do EVERYTHING over VNC.

    --
    Acronyms Obfuscate
  182. My ten would be by mrkurt · · Score: 1

    On Windows:

    Mozilla

    OpenOffice

    JEdit (just the most useful GUI text editor)

    Python

    Xitami (for a simple CGI web server)

    BoaConstructor

    MySQL

    ZoneAlarm

    Quicktime (plugin for Mozilla plays vids in browser)

    The ZipWizard/UnzipWizard (shareware I didn't mind buying, works nicely)

    As for Linux, I'd update some of the programs listed above, if necessary. But a lot of equivalent stuff (such as Apache) comes standard.

    --
    Always look on the briight side of life! (whistle, whistle)
  183. Just buy a new system by ckessel · · Score: 1

    I don't ever reinstall the OS. If the OS gets crufty, it's time to buy a new computer anyway (that comes with the OS). This might be marked as funny, but I'm serious!

  184. I'm not anything like you by kasperd · · Score: 1
    if you're anything like me your machine is formatted at least a month.

    In that case I'm not anything like you. I installed Red Hat Linux 9 in april 2003 and kept using it until I upgraded to Fedora Core 1 in april 2004. You asked for the first ten programs I installed, well I haven't installed ten programs yet, because Fedora Core 1 has almost everything I need. What I have installed is:
    1. netscape-communicator
    2. mplayer
    3. ogle
    4. xine
    5. xmms-mp3
    And most of them I downloaded from freshrpms.net. And the reason I can tell you exactly what I have installed is, that I can just grep ^rpm /root/.bash_history.
    --

    Do you care about the security of your wireless mouse?
  185. My list... by RockClimbingFool · · Score: 1

    0a-Bootlegged Copy of WinXP 0b-Every single update on Windows Update, including driver updates, .NET framework, 1-Bootlegged Copy of OfficeXP 2-mIRC (with registration crack, hate having to look at Khaled Mardam-Bey's face everytime i use it) 3-FileZilla (just found this little FTP app a while ago on sourcefourge. Very nice, i like it ALOT) 4-Nero (with registration crack) 5-WinRAR (with registration crack) 6-Bootlegged copy of PhotoShop 8 7-FireFox (Use webmail, don't need an email client) 8-Ad-aware by Lavasoft (the free version) 9-Call of Duty (I actually purchased this one!!!) 10-Steam with CounterStrike (I actually purchased this one as well!!!)

    1. Re:My list... by J3r3miah · · Score: 1

      sounds more like my list.. with some more bootlegs and porn stuff.

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      God is real unless declared as int
  186. They go together by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Some people re-install once a year, but if you're anything like me your machine is formatted at least once a month."

    and

    "Windows (I use it; get over it)"

    You use Windows AND frequently re-install your system? What are the odds?

  187. Simple by zetes · · Score: 1, Insightful

    XNEWS & Porn Viewer... don't need anything else.

    --
    2+2=5 for extremely large values of 2
  188. Is Windows that bad??? by paulio · · Score: 1

    God has Windows become so bad now that you feel you have to reinstall every MONTH now??? When I used Windows 2000 I was forced to reinstal every year because the system would degrade, but every month?

    I use Mac OS X and that means that I only reinstall on major system upgrades (yearly) and the reinstall is optional. But a reinstall on OS X that means something completely different than a reinstall under Windows.

    Reinstalling the system on Mac OS X does not require reinstalling any applications. It does not require resetting any preferences. The reinstall leaves the users and applications just as you had them. The whole process takes only as long as it takes to copy the files off of the CD, no fuss no bother, a brand new system, with all of your stuff as you left it.

    Why put up with anything else?

    1. Re:Is Windows that bad??? by soulnet · · Score: 0

      Dang, you go through the troubles of ordering a CD, waiting for it to arrive, removing the CD from the package, putting it in your drive, clicking through the setup?!?!
      I believe it's easier to just open a terminal window and type "emerge -u world" !

      .
      .
      .
      .
      Just kidding. Actually, after working with my 2.2Ghz Win XP box at work, my Dual PII-400Mhz gentoo box at home feels pretty snappy! Don't get me wrong though, it's nice to have Win XP at work... Any other OS, and it probably wouldn't *feel* like work!!!!

  189. My Rig by fz00 · · Score: 1

    Windows Update Sun JDK Delphi MingW w/ shell utilities UltraEdit CutePDF Writer Adobe Acrobat Reader Daemon Tools WinAmp Nero

  190. Antivirus? by eztarget · · Score: 1

    A antivirus for sure especially since u are on windows. -Cygwin (X-windows + ssh + gcc) -Gaim -CloneCD, BindWrite, ...

  191. Windows security tools by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I responded to a NT Tools survey awhile back
    (see http://www.matrixlist.com/pipermail/pc_support/200 3-May/003394.html )

    with this list --

    Besides common sense (proper hardening of the host), personal firewalls and
    up-to-date Anti-Virus signatures, here's my favorite tools. Most (all?) are
    freeware; some have commercial counterparts or upgrades. Just about all will
    run on the entire Windows family (9x thru 2K).

    #1 - Bootable recovery CD's and floppy's -- great for recovery and forensics

    F.I.R.E http://biatchux.dmzs.com/
    Knoppix http://www.knopper.net/knoppix/index-en.html
    Linuxcare Bootable Toolbox http://lbt.linuxcare.com/index.epl
    LNX-BBC http://www.lnx-bbc.org/
    Trinux (w/ appropriate FAT/NTFS packages)
    http://trinux.sourceforge.net/

    #2 - Cygwin -- gotta have the familiar tools under 'doze!

    http://www.cygwin.com/

    2.5 - gvim -- for those times when vim under cygwin isn't enough.

    http://www.vim.org/download.php#pc

    #3 - Ethereal -- best dang (cross-platform) network & packet analyzer. PERIOD.

    http://www.ethereal.com/

    #4 - snort and IDSCenter -- Best Intrusion Detection

    http://www.snort.org
    http://www.snort.org/dl/contrib/front_ends/ids_cen ter/

    #5 - nmap -- best port scanner

    http://www.insecure.org/nmap/

    5.5 - NessusWX -- Windows client for nessus vulnerability scanner

    http://www.nessus.org/
    http://nessuswx.nessus.org/

    #6 - GPG -- encrypt files and email between incident handlers.

    GPG http://www.gnupg.org/
    Outlook and other Windows mail plugins
    http://www.gnupg.org/(en)/related_software/fronten ds.html#win

    #7 - Trillian -- encrypt IM traffic between handlers (esp. during an
    incident)!

    http://www.ceruleanstudios.com/trillian/index.html

    #8 - PuTTY -- ssh terminal for when cygwin/OpenSSH isn't available.

    http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/

    #9 - AdAware -- a scan everyday keeps the spyware away!

    http://www.lavasoftusa.com/software/adaware/

    #10 - TightVNC -- great remote control of desktops. Improves on the original.

    http://www.tightvnc.com/intro.html
    http://www.uk.research.att.com/vnc/

    -- brianc (too lazy to login)

  192. First program installed on Linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The first program I always install on Linux is sshd/telnetd. So I can access the system and configure it some more through a usable GUI environment like MacOS or Windows.

  193. I use gentoo, so... by carambola5 · · Score: 1
    1. emerge distcc
    2. boostrap (lots of programs get installed here)
    3. emerge system (lots more get installed here)

    Yeah, pretty boring. But with my setup, distcc approximately triples compilation speed. And yes, the wait is definitely worth it.

    So I got that going for me, which is nice.
    --
    IWARS.
    People, in general, disappoint me. Politicians even more so.
    1. Re:I use gentoo, so... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "I use gentoo, so..."

      Ah yes, we "get it."

    2. Re:I use gentoo, so... by TopherC · · Score: 1

      I've been reinstalling gentoo over the past few days on my laptop (old HD crashed), and am using distcc this time around. There is some speedup, but according to the cache hits stats, it's not much -- maybe 10%. I wouldn't expect *any* speedup on first-time compilation of anything. I wonder how that works?

      That was off-topic. Here's my on-topic post then:
      My top-ten Linux apps are:

      emacs
      kde
      firefox
      gimp
      gqview
      acroread
      xmm s
      openoffice
      ogle
      mplayer
      tetex
      wine

      Oops, that was a top-twelve. And I'm not including things like gcc, samba, cups, reiserfs, tar, and other such system-level utilities. I guess I could bump wine into the low-level group and only have a top-eleven.

  194. What do you use your computer for? by krazo · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Trillian, Winrar, Firefox, Winamp, SmartFTP, Azureus, NMap, GKrellM, PowerDVD

    Pirate much? Those look like the perfect apps for making a HUGE pr0n collection. No wonder he reinstalls so much.

    "Hey, Johnny, I need to use your computer tonight."

    "Yeah, no problem, Mom. Let me just format and reinstall really quick."

  195. linux 10 by Democritus2 · · Score: 0
    Gentoo Linux install

    distcc

    ccache

    firefox

    openoffice

    evolution

    gaim

    xmms

    mplayer

    tvtime

    nmap

    That ought to last more than a month

    --

    no god is good

  196. I am rebuilding an XP box as I type by amichalo · · Score: 1

    My wife's XP box got zapped by too much spyware so I decided to rebuild. Thus far my install CDs are:

    Windows XP Professional
    HP Deskjet printer drivers
    Mozilla
    Norton Internet Securtiy 2004 (includes Antivirus and Firewall)
    Office2000 premium
    PalmZire install CD (Palm Desktop)
    iTunes for Windows

    This is all I am allowing her to install (thanks "admin" rights) unless she is willing to try out OO.o

    --
    I only came here to do two things; kick some ass, and drink some beer...looks like we're almost out of beer.
  197. on FreeBSD by nite_warrior · · Score: 1

    gcc, without it how can I build up all the rest of app from my ports tree

  198. hmm by Apreche · · Score: 1

    windows
    1. winamp
    2. gaim
    3. firefox
    4. thunderbird
    5. gimp 2.0
    6. abiword
    7. nvidia drivers
    8. more nvidia drivers
    9. sound blaster drives
    10. other drivers

    linux
    1. firefox
    2. gaim
    3. xmms
    4. mplayer
    5. gimp
    6. abiword
    7. thunderbird
    8. gkrellm
    9. nedit
    10. xfce4

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  199. install order by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Usually after patching a xp-pro box I install:

    Acrobat
    Open Office
    Gimp
    Ad-Aware (and update and run it)
    Core FTP Lite (for SFTP)
    Firefox
    Thunderbird

    Then I start adding the costly stuff according to the client/user:
    McAfee/Norton/Whatever (I prefer McAfee)
    MS Office
    Photoshop
    Etc

    I set as much stuff to autoupdate and install nightly (Windows Update, Virus Software). I instruct the user to run Ad-Aware periodically.

    I try to gently nudge them off Outlook for security reasons. Like get them to try Firefox/Thunderbird as default programs instead by trying to sell the cool features like blockup blocking, tabbed browsing, google search bar, smart junk filter, but really I just want them to move off Outlook/IE more for security reasons, but that's a hard sell.

    Then I start removing as much system tray stuff as makes sense, and check the registry for background processes we can do without. I set some performance settings (fading menus, etc) for faster user experience, and turn off all instances of personalized menus I can.

    Oh and I make a back door support account on machines for when I have to work on them when they aren't there, or when they forget their password.

    I used to do disk imaging a la Norton Ghost, and Drive Image, but with XP it's more work maintaining the image than it is to rebuild a machine. If I were back in a more uniform large install base I would probably go back to imaging, but maybe not. XP can be pretty stable. I love XP/OS X soooooo much better than the 9x and os 9x days. Those were crappy OS's in terms of stability.

  200. First 10 Programs by Monkeyboy0076 · · Score: 2, Informative

    1. Windows Updates 2. AIM 3. DeadAIM 4. iTunes 5. DivX 6. Microsoft Office 7. WinRAR 8. Newest ForceWare 9. Windows Media Encoder 10. Diskeeper

  201. Well, lemme see... by eli173 · · Score: 1

    When I get a new system/rebuild a system I install:

    1) Linux (Fedora Core 1 at the moment)
    2) apt
    3) vim-X11 (gotta have gvim!)
    4) guarddog
    5) cvsps
    6) patchutils
    7) PyQt
    8) dia
    9) graphviz
    10) wget

    Then we start getting into 'depends on the task' with such things as a2ps, xdelta, rdiff-backup, etc.

    I'm starting to think about making a script that grabs apt, installs it, and then installs all my favorite toys. Then, do a fresh minimal install and see what happens. :)

  202. As an interactive designer... by Aqua+OS+X · · Score: 1

    1) Photoshop
    2) Illustrator
    3) GoLive
    4) MS Word
    5) Mozilla
    6) RBrowser
    7) BBEdit
    8) Director
    9) X Code
    10) Flash

    The rest of my toys come with the default OS X install :)

    --
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  203. First Ten or less Things by kdekorte · · Score: 1

    Windows
    1. Norton Anti Virus
    1b. Live Update NAV
    2. Windows Patches (all)
    3. Google Toolbar (stop popups)
    4. MS Office or OpenOffice
    5. Mozilla

    Linux
    1. apt (On a Fedora Core Box)
    1a. apt-get dist-upgrade
    1b. kde-redhat
    1c. clamav
    2. Firefox
    3. mplayer & codec pack
    4. mplayerplug-in

  204. First One! by arkman · · Score: 1

    Total Commander (Windows Commander) => http://www.ghisler.com/

    Can't use Explorer and I really like that the interface/functionality is similar to Midnight Commander and good old Norton Commmander.

  205. Free CD Burner software for Windows. by cowmix · · Score: 1

    CDBurnerXP Pro is a great free
    CD and DVD burning software for Windows.

    Screw Roxio.

  206. Mine by M3wThr33 · · Score: 1

    I actually have to reinstall XP pretty soon, so my list is ready.

    (Sure you can say I'm wrong, but I like knowing I can read all the formats)
    1. Everything on Windows Update
    2. KaZaA Lite Mega Codec Pack (Includes G-Spot, 4CC and Media Player Classic)
    3. Quicktime
    4. Real Player (Like I said, it's good to have it when you need it)
    5. Trillian Pro (Pay for it people)
    6. True Launch Bar (.com, TLB is an overhauled Quicklaunch bar with menus and a bunch of other stuff. I reallllllllly recommend it)
    7. JavaRTE 1.5 whatever
    8. WinRar
    9. WinZip (You need both. The built-in Windows crap is junk)
    10. Winamp

    That should you get you running on 99% of websites. Since SP2 adds popup blocking, I'm able to fit more programs in the 10 without ALSO recommending the Google Toolbar.

  207. Java/Oracle developer's 10 by wembley · · Score: 1

    On a PC (not in order):
    1. Flash Desktops
    2. Eclipse
    3. Oracle Client (maybe Server)
    4. PL/SQL Developer
    5. Cygwin (and Cygwin Here)
    6. XEmacs
    7. PuTTY/psftp/pscp
    8. JDK (latest)
    9. Weblogic 8.1
    10. Perforce/cvs/subversion

    --

    Share and Enjoy!

    1. Re:Java/Oracle developer's 10 by ardmhacha · · Score: 1

      Java/Oracle developer's 10

      You're an Oracle developer and you are not going to install TOAD ?

      You are rare.

    2. Re:Java/Oracle developer's 10 by wembley · · Score: 1

      I like "PL/SQL Developer" better.

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  208. Software firewall == BAD by grioghar · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Black Ice is a ridiculous product with many security issues of its own. Do your own Googling.

    The best of the worst in software firewalls IMHO is Norton Internet Security. Good support, and if it hoses your TCP/IP stack (like most any software-based firewall has a tendency to do over time...), there's at least well documented support.

    If they're a dialup user, security patch the hell out of the box and be done with it. If they're broadband, figure out a way to put a hardware solution in there. Don't compromise the stability of the TCP/IP stack with software filtering. I don't know how many machines I've had to rebuild the stacks on because of shitty software-based firewalls for Windows.

    And, as always, YMMV.

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    1. Re:Software firewall == BAD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      http://cexx.org/lspfix.htm
      Unhoses TCP/IP stacks nicely.

    2. Re:Software firewall == BAD by Trillan · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I don't know how many machines I've had to rebuild the stacks on because of shitty software-based firewalls for Windows.

      I bet I do: None. Why would you have to rebuild a stack because of a firewall?

    3. Re:Software firewall == BAD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't. The original poster was clearly talking out of his ass.

  209. It's pretty sad..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    but if you're anything like me your machine is formatted at least once a month
    It's pretty sad when your computer is reformatted more often than you get laid

  210. Linux by gmuslera · · Score: 1
    Several of my alternatives
    • Suse Linux default install (there is almost anything i need, maybe just install mplayer from sources to avoid SuSE's policy on some file formats)
    • Mandrake Linux default install
    • Mepis default install
    (not including Fedora just because i don't tried it)

    And that's it. Anyone of those alternatives already have most i could want, including most what was suggested here (well, no antivirus, no adblocker, etc that have no meaning in linux). Maybe i would install some spam blocker (i.e. popfile is an easy one that is not in the default installation of those distributions), maybe add some alternative choices (opera is nice, and if well all those have their own firewall, i could choose another one i.e. shorewall), but by default the system gets installed pretty well.

  211. My 1st 10 by Timmy+D+Programmer · · Score: 1

    Not counting a zillion Patches

    1) Winzip
    2) Office
    3) Adobe Reader
    4) Mozilla
    5) CD Burning Software
    6) AD Aware
    7) My Work Stuff (Development Tools)
    8) Anarchy Online
    9) Unreal Tournament
    10) A Picture of my dog for wallpaper

    --


    (If at first you don't succeed, do it different next time!)
    1. Re:My 1st 10 by Sjobeck · · Score: 0

      7-Zip (skip WinZip) Acrobat 6.0 (skip reader) SpyBot Search & Destroy (skip AdAware)

  212. Ah well, here goes. by Another+AC · · Score: 1
    I guess I can refer back to this list the next time I need to re-install windows!

    I think there are only 6 really critical programs I need, besides everything bundled already with windows:
    1. WinRAR: compression utility
    2. SecureCRT: ssh client
    3. Emacs: text editor
    4. PSI: jabber client
    5. Palm Desktop: contact management/treo syncing
    6. FlashFXP: ftp client
    After those, I guess I'd install these:
    1. Excel: spreadsheet
    2. mIRC: irc client
    3. iTunes: mp3 jukebox
    4. Word: wordprocessing

    I guess if I could install more I'd then get eMule, acrobat reader, powerpoint, Yahoo Intellisync, XBConnect, XIso, FireFox, Daemon Tools, and Win994a Simulator!
  213. Just buy the shareware by Gothmolly · · Score: 1

    Dude, just buy the shareware that you're using, so you'll get the full versions, it will stop bitching at you, and you'll be supporting software shops other than The Microsoft. Or set your clock back, don't keep reinstalling Windows.

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  214. On OS X by Pragmo+D · · Score: 1

    On recent installs of OS X, I have usually gone with: XCode MS Office (it sucks, but I am on a Windows campus) Photoshop TinyFugue Roxio Toast NetHack Leechster BitchX Fink iTerm Now you know!

    --
    You can kiss a nun... Just don't get into the habit.
  215. My list by schroedlzone · · Score: 1

    Besides drivers I install:
    I try to only install freeware, check out THE best freeware site that exists: www.pricelessware.org

    1) Startup Monitor - Catch programs trying to add to your startup
    2) Zip Genius - freeware unzipper
    3) Mozilla
    4) TextPad and gVim - freeware txt editors
    5) Java SDK
    6) iTunes, WinAmp and Nero - for music
    7) Symantic Anti-Virus - free through work...
    8) WinDvD - no good freeware out there :(
    9) OpenOffice
    10) NETHACK! and other games...

  216. you should install... by lfourrier · · Score: 1

    ...VMWare and create 50 virtual machines on it.

    Imagine, 50 full install a month, a dream come true...

    And you could compare the 10 first on Windows, the 10 first on Linux, the 10 first on BSD (how long will it be dying ?), the 10 first on solaris, the 10 first on .. sorry, no, not Os X, just Darwin, if you want, but that is already covered in part by BSD, the 10 first on the japanese version of windows, the 10 first on the polish version of windows, the 10 first on OS2, the 10 first on BeOS, and using emulators, the 10 first on Apple][, the 10 first on ...

    Get a life, dude.

  217. umm.. once a month? yea, windows user.. by joeldg · · Score: 1

    $ uptime
    15:30:52 up 172 days, 1:48, 1 user, load average: 0.14, 0.13, 0.12

    perhaps you *should* switch your OS if you waste that much time reinstalling every month.

    I am not going to say linux because if you have read here and still don't use it then you have linux-fear.. try mac, that sounds more like your speed.

  218. mine for windows by mabu · · Score: 1

    (Windows update), Spybot S&D, Startup Cop, TweakUI, Editeur (or another good notepad replacement), a set of DOS-compatible unix command line utilities (tar,gzip,etc.), Mozilla/Firefox, Eudora, 4dTime (NNTP time sync), WinZip, and an SSH client (SecureCRT).

  219. In no particular order... by Xabraxas · · Score: 1

    aterm
    gaim
    mplayer
    firefox
    nedit
    rox
    sylpheed
    xmms
    grip
    irssi

    --
    Time makes more converts than reason
  220. Arhgg there mateys me Top 10 list . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mirc
    Firefox
    Newsbin
    Winrar
    Clonecd
    Clonedvd
    Alcohol 120
    Nero 6 ultra
    Instant copy 8.05
    Blindwrite 5

  221. File manager by dwave · · Score: 1
  222. Mine by Grey+Ninja · · Score: 1

    1) Firefox
    2) Winamp
    3) Trillian
    4) Winrar
    5) Motherboard Monitor
    //start feeling human again at this point
    6) 3DMark
    7) PowerDVD
    8) Thunderbird
    9) Photoshop
    10) Visual Studio

    I generally reformat about once every 6 months. I used to reformat once a month when I ran Windows 98, but XP is stable enough that I am usually able to go a few months before it starts chugging.

  223. Second thing by Albert+Cahalan · · Score: 1

    joe of course. A person can not live without joe.

  224. Gentoo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    (this is after bootstrap and emerge system are complete)

    01) vim
    02) Xorg (used to be XFree86... but, you know)
    03) Enlightenment
    04) gAIM
    05) Eterm
    06) irssi
    07) XMMS
    08) Firefox
    09) Ximian Evolution
    10) Never Winter Nights

  225. Maybe you should Ghost by adug · · Score: 1

    Jeepers, if you are formatting that often why not install your apps, make sure everything is running fine and then make a Ghost image at that point? Then when things go wonky with your system, Ghost it.

    Voila! 5 minutes later you won't have to re-install anything except whatever you installed after you made the Ghost.

    I have Windows installed on one partition, and most of my apps on another partition. This keeps the Ghost size down.

    Because my programs are on another partition, even if I do have to format the Windows drive a lot of my apps don't even have to be reinstalled, I just make a new shortcut to them.

  226. and the good ones for os x by wibs · · Score: 1

    nobody asked, but that won't stop me from answering :)

    For AIM: Adium
    For a tweaked OS: Cocktail and TinkerTool
    For a better OS: my collection of haxies for Unsanity's Application Enhancer (ClearDock, FruitMenu, Metallifizer, Mighty Mouse, ShapeShifter, SharedMenus, Silk, WindowShade X)
    For privacy/security: NetBarrier, PeerVanguard (not because I trade P2P, but because I wear a tinfoil hat), Little Snitch
    Helpful apps: Butler, QuickSilver, DragThing
    For everything else: VLC, SBook5, Transmit, Path Finder, Apple Dev Tools

    it's more than 10, but those are all put almost instantly on every fresh OS X install I touch.

    --
    If you get nervous, just remember that there are a few billion other people who don't really give a damn.
  227. Compare by 4of12 · · Score: 1

    The list of the top 10 in the story and the top 10 of other posters with...

    what the IT department puts onto new machines.

    It's, like, different.

    --
    "Provided by the management for your protection."
  228. Top 10 by Aliencow · · Score: 1

    Windows: Firefox Thunderbird Gabber 2 WinRar iTunes NAV corporate edition Ethereal nmap Linux: Firefox Thunderbird Gabber xmms nmap ethereal bittorrent (the-shadow or ABC) aterm screen

  229. I'm a developer (win32, linux) by sw155kn1f3 · · Score: 1

    I'm a developer (win32, linux)

    So here's my install list:

    1. Cygwin (www.cygwin.com). That gives nice cvs and ssh. And gcc on win32.

    2. Far file manager (www.farmanager.com its origins is russia, so there's cyrillic). Supports windows explorer context menus through plugin. I mostly use it for file management, cvs checkins/outs

    2. TortoiseCVS (nice plugin, allows to do all CVS stuff with context menus)
    3. TortoiseSVN: the same for subversion
    4. WinCVS
    5. WinMerge
    6. VMware workstation 4.5.1 (I have OSes on my computer: 4 Linuxes - varios flavour, 1 freebsd, 2 win3k2, 1 win2k, 1 win98, 1 win95). And yes, I have licenses for them (through company's MSDN subscription) and license for VMware Workstation too.

    7. Ethereal & WinPCAP
    8. Visual C++ of course ;)
    9. ActivePerl
    10. MS Office (that's just a question of interop)

    --
    - Arwen, I'm your father, Agent Smith.
    - Well, you're just Smith, but my father is Aerosmith!
  230. For Windows by sik0fewl · · Score: 1

    Well, when I install linux I usually have everything I need. However, when I move to a new Windows machine (at work, for example) there are some things I need to install:

    1. Firefox - so I can go download the rest of the programs I need using a decent browser
    2. PuTTY - to access my Linux machine
    3. Winamp - everybody loves music (especially me)
    4. SmartFTP - my favorite ftp client
    5. Python and PythonWin - because I love writing scripts in python
    6. WinZip - I like it's interface better than Winrar. I usually don't end up download WinRAR until I need it.

    Later on I eventually end up installing:

    • WinRAR
    • Acrobat Reader
    • NMap
    • FireWe'veChangedOurNameAgain
    --
    I remember when legal used to mean lawful, now it means some kind of loophole. - Leo Kessler
  231. No need to reinstall programs... by Kegetys · · Score: 1

    If (or when) I need to reinstall the OS from my Windows box, I always export the local_machine\software and current_user\software registry keys, take out the "Microsoft" subkeys (so it wont screw up the new windows install afterwards), then delete my windows directory, and after installing a new copy I import those keys to the fresh Windows install. After that all the programs I had installed before still work fine and there's no need to reinstall those.

  232. why not... by hyperstation · · Score: 1

    in no particular order....

    vim
    firefox
    xmms
    nicotine
    xchat
    thunderbird
    gaim
    aterm
    tightvnc
    openoffice

  233. 9 apps + Ghost by HyperHyper · · Score: 1

    I usually reinstall every 6 months but that's because I like to download a lot of new apps and try them out. Dlls left behind from uninstallers, extra fonts and spyware take away from the life of my Windows installation.

    This is what I put in (after I do the million window updates for W2K and add my scanner/camera software and media apps (Quicktime, winamp 5, shockwave))

    1. McAffee antivirus + updates
    2. Office 2003 + updates
    3. BitTorrent
    4. Ultra Edit 10.10c
    5. Xfire (to keep track of what and where my buddies are playing online)
    6. ACDSee 6
    7. Station Ripper
    8. Nero 6.x.x.x
    9. Ghost (and then make an image of that puppy)
    10. Games of the day (Far Cry, Painkiller, COH at the moment)

    Interesting to see what other people are using.. think I'll be doing some digging again.. :) Maybe time for a new base ghost image too!

  234. 10 errr 11 is all I need. by kwpulliam · · Score: 1

    First 10 Programs -
    Mozilla
    Office 2000
    WinAmp
    Symantec Anti-Virus
    Adobe Acrobat (Full not just the Reader)
    Boinc (Was Seti@home)
    Winrar
    Alcohol 120
    Emule
    Forte Agent

    Ok that's 11, But that's everything
    Audiograbber (With Lame)

  235. A few I haven't seen... by BeatdownGeek · · Score: 1
    For Win32

    1. Proxomitron - awesome web filter.
    2. mSys+mSysDTK+MinGW (extremely useful *nix tools that don't require a Cygwin shell)
    3. Winroll -Next best thing to a useful Windows desktop manager
    4. Sysinternals utilities
    5. Vim!!

    Of course others, but they've been mentioned above.

  236. ok, since you asked (ooo the exCITEment!) by real_smiff · · Score: 2, Interesting
    this is roughly my folder of essential software & roughly the order:
    1. MS SP & critical updates & TweakUI
    2. Proxomitron (this is old now, might look for sommat else?)
    3. Firefox, Thunderbird & Java runtime
    4. 7-Zip
    5. Daemon Tools
    6. foobar2000 and plugins (mmm sweet)
    7. Media Player Classic, and QuicktimeAlt and RealAlternative, ffdshow and ReClock (the video package)
    8. BitTornado, SoulSeek & eMule (the P2P package )
    9. IrFanView (mmm sweet)
    10. OpenOffice (pain to set up) & MS Office
    I just had a primary hard drive die so I had to think about this today :/
    --

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    1. Re:ok, since you asked (ooo the exCITEment!) by Russellkhan · · Score: 1

      "Proxomitron (this is old now, might look for sommat else?)"

      I'm still using Proxomitron too, but, since it's gone unsupported, when I get around to it I'll probably switch over to Privoxy. Just figured I'd mention it in case you hadn't run into this yet.

      --
      Information doesn't want to be anthropomorphized anymore.
    2. Re:ok, since you asked (ooo the exCITEment!) by real_smiff · · Score: 1

      thanks! i'll take a look at Privoxy. i'm still finding Proxomitron pretty good (with JD's config set - you use this too?) but I figure it's time to look for something else. always a shame when a great free project dies.

      --

      This is my Sig, this is my Gun. One is for Slashdot and one is for Fun.

    3. Re:ok, since you asked (ooo the exCITEment!) by Russellkhan · · Score: 1

      Yep, JD5000 is great.

      Maybe sometime some of the Prox hotshots will look into Privoxy too. *fingers crossed* That's really the main reason I haven't switched over yet - I don't think the filter sets are quite as sophisticated on Privoxy yet.

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  237. Must have programs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    I couldn't live without these programs: I guess you can find them on every computer I ever worked.
  238. on linux/freebsd... by pizza_milkshake · · Score: 1
    i always make sure i've got at least these available: slashcode has some weird funky rule that makes only lets this code post if i type in this line of filler
    1. Re:on linux/freebsd... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      1) Slackware
      2) Bash
      3) Emerde (gentoo's Emerge port to slackware)
      4) KDE 3.2
      5) Nessus security tool
      6) Openoffice.org
      7) Mozilla Firebird
      8) Xchat
      9) Apache
      10) Samba

  239. windows non-work laptop, first 10 installs by websensei · · Score: 1

    browser: firefox
    firewall: zonealarm
    music: winamp
    zip util: winzip
    IM client: trillian
    text editor: editplus
    ssh client: putty
    music utils: mkwact
    images: photoshop
    security: ad-aware

    --

    La via sola al paradiso incommincia nel inferno
  240. Developer tools list by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you're a developer, I'd recommend checking out this list of must-have tools: http://www.hanselman.com/blog/content/radiostories /2003/09/09/scottHanselmansUltimateDeveloperAndPow erUsersToolsList.html

  241. add Gaim + WinSCP by Vitriolix · · Score: 1

    gaim and winscp go on my windows installs pretty quick.

  242. My ten... by domenic+v1.0 · · Score: 1

    1. Office XP
    2. Spybot
    3. Adobe Photoshop
    4. Zone Alarm Pro
    5. Firefox
    6. Trillian
    7. Nero
    8. Norton Antivirus
    9. Winrar
    10. Snood


  243. agreed! by catphile · · Score: 0

    I have win2000 pro, and I never have to reinstall it. Had the same install for over 18 months now without a hitch.

  244. my 10 ten by Tei · · Score: 1

    - 4NT
    - Photoshop
    - Cygwin
    - FlashGet
    - Winzip
    - Visual C++ 6
    - SCiTe
    - etc...

    Anyways I have not reinstalled for years, only refresh a installation to fix a side effect bug.

    --

    -Woof woof woof!

  245. Once a month? by activesynapsis · · Score: 1
    C:\>uptime
    \\COW has been up for: 108 day(s), 20 hour(s), 20 minute(s), 41 second(s)

    I know people have problems with Windows but c'mon.

  246. My first ten... by WIAKywbfatw · · Score: 1

    1. Zone Alarm Pro (software firewall)
    2. Ad-Aware (spyware killer)
    3. Sophos Anti-Virus (anti-virus package)
    4. Opera (browser that Mozilla, etc play catch-up to)
    5. Eudora plus Hotmail Popper (email client, plus applet that allows POP3 access to Hotmail)
    6. Winzip / WinRAR (compression tools)
    7. Winamp (media player)
    8. Adobe Reader (PDF reader)
    9. dBpowerAMP (fantastic audio ripping tool)
    10. Azureus (Java-based BitTorrent client)

    In fact, that set up is what I would consider to be "bare bones". Some people might prefer different applications (AVG instead of Sophos, Firefox instead of Opera, etc) but those are the tools that every PC user should have.

    --

    "Accept that some days you are the pigeon, and some days you are the statue." - David Brent, Wernham Hogg
  247. I can't even find 10! by shreak · · Score: 1

    Mozilla - So I can see the web without ActiveX and with tabs
    MS Office 2000 - The gold standard. No calling the mothership.
    Cygwin - So I can actually do something on the console
    ImageMagik - batch image work for auction pics
    Quicken - gotta keep track of cash
    Palm Desktop - 'Cause of my Palm
    AdAware - Because my wife still uses IE

    That's it!

    Actually that's what ends up on the home laptops (not including wireless network drivers etc...) because they are basically internet kiosks for me, the wife and kids. Other "working" machines (Linux installs, desktops...) are loaded up with what they need to do their function. Games, video editing software, development tools, Apache, etc...

    Of course work is different...

    =Shreak

  248. Like I said six months ago... by jbeamon · · Score: 1

    ... the (http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/10/07/20332 53) last time this question was asked.

    --
    -j
  249. Here are my first 10 by localhost00 · · Score: 1
    Windows XP
    Network drivers
    AC97 On Board sound drivers
    Display drivers
    SB Live Drivers
    Hauppauge WinTV Drivers and applications
    Drivers and Applications for my other TV Tuner Card
    WinXP security updates
    (not really an installation) Spend about 90 minutes configuring my system
    DivX Codec

    Ok, I confess, I have a LOT more

    AC3 ACM
    AC3 Filter
    Winamp 5
    Office 97 (I know, I am a cheap bastard)
    CoolEdit Pro
    EXT2 File System Driver
    Visio Technical 5.0 (before it became a MS product, I actually found this online)
    WinBatch
    Ad-Aware (Funny, I don't actually NEED this anymore)
    MSN Messenger
    DVD Decrypter
    XMpeg

    I haven't been in the Linux world long enough.... The only packages I install at this point are XMMS and Wine.

    Better yet, I have WinME installed on my slave with Norton Ghost installed on it so I can back up/restore my XP and Mandrake Partitions.

    --

    Calling atheism and agnosticism a religion is like calling bald a hair color.

  250. My OS X top 10 by nsda's_deviant · · Score: 1

    I've yet to reinstall OS X on my iBook after 2 years but if and when there are several that are amazing and essential.

    Quicksilver- by far the most elegent (free too) app launcher and more. It's having the ability to launch almost anything from the keyboard. An iTunes playlist, email an address book contact, launch a webpage and so on...
    Transmit- best FTP program on any platform, better than Smart FTP on Windows
    Net News Wire Lite- great free CSS reader
    xPad- its like a notepad but a million times better and useful
    Slim Battery Monitor- take back your menu space while still getting the same information
    Weather Pop- So simple it should've been a part of OS X

    The good people over at OSnews.com wrote a great article about the Mac OS X Applications You Can't Live Without last Dec. It's missing Quicksilver but has some good suggestions of some damn good applications.

    1. Re:My OS X top 10 by ninewands · · Score: 1
      Quoth the poster:
      I've yet to reinstall OS X on my iBook after 2 years ...
      ... and your point is? After all, I have yet to reinstall Solaris 8 on my Ultra10 after approximately 3 and a half years ... comparing OSX (or any other *n?x, for that matter) to any release of Windows is like comparing prime rib to a Big Mac ... not QUITE apples and oranges.
  251. The only programs on my Windows box are... by bender647 · · Score: 1

    1. Generals
    2. Generals - Zero Hour expansion
    3. Rise Of Nations
    4. Warcraft III
    5. Age Of Kings
    6. Command and Conquer Red Alert 2
    7. CnC Yuris Revenge
    8. Battlefield 1942
    9. MotoGP
    10. Superbike 2001
    That usually gets me started.

  252. On SuSE 8.2... by kotj.mf · · Score: 1

    Of course, the only time I've ever reinstalled was when I upgraded the HDD in my notebook a couple of weeks ago. And that was essentially just copying ~/ off the old drive from a USB enclosure.

    - Firefox
    - Plucker Distiller
    - Up-to-date PyGTK
    - Nicotine
    - Pan (if I forgot to select it on the initial install)
    - Grip (ditto)
    - EasyTag (")
    - Nano
    - DamnSmallLinux (Okay, not a "new program", but I try to grab a fresh ISO whenever I can.)

    Hmmm... looking at this list, it looks like a substantial number of my must-have apps are GTK. Which is wierd, because I prefer KDE as a desktop environment. Go figure.

    --
    hang brain.
  253. Linux essentials by anthro398 · · Score: 2, Informative

    I always install Fprot antivirus, ethereal, nmap, and gftp. Installation of linux isn't complete without these tools. I use Nmap to test the firewalls on my network, Ethereal to look for unwanted traffic or communication problems behind my router, and gFTP is a nice GUI FTP client that never seems to come with default installs. Although, Linux isn't as susceptible to virus and trojan issues, it's nice to at least have a scanner available.

  254. My junk by maxdamage · · Score: 1

    wow, this A/. is getting a record amount of trolling

    on my windos box
    1) Drivers (this could be all 10)
    2) PPPoE dialer (not too selective on what one)
    3) Winamp
    4) VideoLan
    5) FireFox
    6) ThunderBird
    7) SpyBot S&D
    8) Trillian
    9) Visual Studio
    10) Nero

    On my Slackware box im pretty happy with what it comes with, I pretty much just install OpenOffice then spend the next few hours configuring everything how I like it.

    1. Re:My junk by maxdamage · · Score: 1

      Forgot about WinRAR

  255. Filezilla by RussHart · · Score: 1

    FileZilla ( http://filezilla.sourceforge.net/) is fantastic from my point of view. I once was a hige fan of SmartFTP like the reader and the majority of posters, but once I've started using this I haven't gone back. And, as opposed to being Shareware, it's free (beer & speech!)

  256. First 10 programs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, I run Windows on my home PC and reinstall every second year. (Oh, i'm Anonymous Coward..) Hey, it's true! I mostly game on my pc, sometimes new games forces me to fight new graphics drivers and ActiveX into submission, but it hardly requires reinstalls to get it back in shape.

    Current OS is W2k, installed on 21. june 2002. Time for a reinstall, it seems. And my first 10 installs will be:

    Service packs
    Hotfixes
    Winzip
    Winamp
    Office
    Adobe Acrobat reader
    VMware (whoops, work thingie)
    Ethereal (more work, duh)
    Battlefield 1942
    Warcraft 3

    Hmm. I won't need many more programs, thanks.

  257. Honest answer : for Windows by Glonoinha · · Score: 2, Interesting

    0. Install service packs, patches.
    1. Adobe Acrobat
    2. Acdsee - .jpg viewer
    3. AdSubtract - popup stopper
    4. Diskeeper - advanced defragger
    5. WinZip
    6. ZTree - www.ztree.com - CUI file manager that faithfully replicates XTree Gold 2.x
    7. WS_FTP

    On beefy machines I will be using for work or intense fun :
    8. MS Office
    9. Visual Studio
    10. VMware

    If it has a burner :
    11. Nero

    --
    Glonoinha the MebiByte Slayer
  258. My list by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My List:
    Slickrun - by bayden software, floating command prompt
    Trillian - im client
    FireFox - web browser
    RealVNC - client/server each box needs remote admin
    Azureus - mmm bittorrent
    FileZilla - ftp client/server, sourceforge
    MS Visual Studio .Net - software dev
    WinAmp - tunes
    OpenOffice
    Thunderbird

    Of course this dosen't include the numeriace tweaks/patches to the system, like disabling systemrestore/remote assiant/messenger or using hacks to remove MSN Messenger. Also missing are games.

  259. OS X - First 10 by mitchell_pgh · · Score: 1

    I wish I could say all of this was shareware/freeware, but it's not... this is how I make my money:

    Adobe Creative Suite
    Quark - If you can get through the serial number BS
    VLC
    Microsoft Office X
    Macromedia Dreamweaver
    NetNewsWire Lite
    HandBrake
    Fugu
    Keynote
    StuffIt

  260. First 10 programs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I use Linux, so I format maybe once a year and pretty much any program I could want is already included. However, there are a few exceptions, mostly including non-open source software. Here is the short list:
    1) Mplayer
    2) LimeWire
    3) ebmsync (for my ebookman)
    4) VMWare
    5) Opera

    And that's about it. There's probably a few things that I'm missing, but these are the important ones.

  261. My Linux and Windows lists by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Linux:

    - Midnight Commander
    - Firefox
    - Thunderbird
    - MPlayer
    - XEmacs
    - GQview
    - Inkscape CVS
    - GIMP 2
    - Links (perfect for daily news sites check)
    - UnRAR (have lots of old DOS archives in that format)

    Windows:

    - FAR
    - Kaspersky
    - CygWin
    - Python & Perl
    - Firefox
    - Thunderbird
    - BSPlayer (sorry MPlayer for windows does not run as smooth yet, although more convenient to use)
    - Xemacs
    - IrphanView
    - Inkscape

    Within the same 10 apps limit, Windows has to spend a few ones on just making the system barely safe and usable. And among the remaning ones, the best apps are usually on Linux, Windows ones are ports or imitations (one exception is FAR which is still better than mc).

  262. My Mac OS X list by DavidLeblond · · Score: 1

    iLife '04
    Blender
    JEdit
    NeoOffice/J
    XCode (dev tools don't install automatically)
    BitTorrent
    iDVD Hack ;)
    Fink
    CyberDuck FTP
    Python
    Freecell (use to be a Windows user)

  263. My 10... Win version by lacrymology.com · · Score: 0

    0. Cygwin
    1. JDK
    2. Eclipse
    3. GVim
    4. Firefox
    5. OO.Org
    6. Acrobat Reader
    7. PowerArchiver
    8. WS-FTP
    9. Ad-Aware (which is then run)

    -m

    --

    #
    # Modus Ponens
    #
  264. Mine by Paulrothrock · · Score: 1
    On Mac OS X
    1. X11
    2. Mac OS X Dev Tools
      (Do those count? They come with the OS, but you kinda have to install the seperately. Oh well.)
    3. Fink
    4. AdiumX
    5. FireFox
    6. Civ III
    7. Studio MX
    8. GraphicConvertor
    9. OmniGraffle Pro
    10. Transmit
    I've only had to reinstall once (after un-partitioning my drives), but that'll be the order once I get my new Powerbook.
    --
    I'm in the hole of the broadband donut.
  265. My FORMATTED List by RockClimbingFool · · Score: 1

    0a-Bootlegged Copy of WinXP

    0b-Every single update on Windows Update, including driver updates, .NET framework,

    1-Bootlegged Copy of OfficeXP

    2-mIRC (with registration crack, hate having to look at Khaled Mardam-Bey's face everytime i use it)

    3-FileZilla (just found this little FTP app a while ago on sourcefourge. Very nice, i like it ALOT)

    4-Nero (with registration crack)

    5-WinRAR (with registration crack)

    6-Bootlegged copy of PhotoShop 8

    7-FireFox (Use webmail, don't need an email client)

    8-Ad-aware by Lavasoft (the free version)

    9-Call of Duty (I actually purchased this one!!!)

    10-Steam with CounterStrike (I actually purchased this one as well!!!)

  266. Ghost by keeg · · Score: 1

    I hope that by formatting, and reinstalling you mean, restoring a disk image? Ghost is the best I've found, not free (beer or speech), but saves you _a lot_ of time. If anyone knows a free equivalent let me know. Oh, and as someone else probably have mentioned, Ad-Aware and Spybot might save you the trouble...

  267. Hmmm.... by adamofgreyskull · · Score: 1

    0.nvidia drivers
    1.amsn
    2.firefox
    3.mplayer+codecs
    4.ogle
    5.btdownloadcurses.py


    After that I restore my porn/mp3 collection. I can usually go for several weeks before having to install anything else. As I need them, I install..

    6.RealOne player (to listen to BBC 2)
    7.WineX
    8.$Nes_Emulator
    9.mpgtx (for joining mpeg files)

  268. The first software I install on a Windows machine by Eric+Smith · · Score: 1
    The first software I install on a Windows machine is Linux, usually Fedora Core 1.

    If there's some reason I can't install Linux natively, I install VMware and install Linux inside that. Though my preference, by far, is to install Linux natively (and run Windows in VMware if necessary).

    If I absolutely had to run Windows, I install Mozilla, GNU Emacs, Cygwin (or MinGW/MSYS), SecureCRT, TortoiseSVN, 7-Zip, OpenOffice, Acrobat Reader, and sometimes Ghost.

  269. Someone had to say it... by Eukaryote · · Score: 1
    Re-install once a month?

    I've had mine a year and I haven't had to once... I've barely had to reboot!

    -MacOSX

  270. Windows Installation Checklist by jonadab · · Score: 1
    I have to reinstall Windows often enough at work that I've got an actual checklist. (Caveat: this was written for Win95 originally; it's been updated some, but some parts are obsolete for more current versions.) Most of it is stuff other than applications, but there are some apps on the list...
    • Mozilla
    • Manufacturer drivers for all hardware (does this count?)
    • Microsoft's Core Fonts (especially: Verdana and Andale Mono)
    • something to open zipfiles if the version of Windows in question doesn't have Compressed Folders.
    • Irfanview and/or Gimp
    • PFE32. (If it were a system I were going to use, I'd go for NTEmacs instead.)
    • Microsoft PowerToys and/or TweakUI. Windows isn't finished being installed until this is installed.
    • The Java plugin from Sun
    • Acrobat Reader
    • OpenOffice

    Hey, whaddayaknow, that's ten.

    --
    Cut that out, or I will ship you to Norilsk in a box.
  271. Are y'all nuts? by jlower · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I haven't read all the comments so this might be redundant but, are all y'all nuts? Reinstalling the OS once a month or even once a year? Holy shit! My current box is 4 years old and I've never reinstalled the OS and hope I never have to.

    1. Re:Are y'all nuts? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I've moved a harddrive around between different Amiga systems. It had AmigaOS 3.1 installed and then it has just had some updates etc since (now running 3.9).

      Never had to reformat it. If something was wrong I could fix it by hand. However, now that I'm betatesting AmigaOS 4 on my AmigaOne I do reinstall a lot.. but that's really just because I'm supposed to ;)

    2. Re:Are y'all nuts? by pgilman · · Score: 2, Funny


      you're running a 4-year-old OS? what's your IP address? ;-)

      --
      if i'm a grammar nazi, you're an illiteracy nazi.
    3. Re:Are y'all nuts? by pla · · Score: 2, Informative

      are all y'all nuts? Reinstalling the OS once a month or even once a year? Holy shit! My current box is 4 years old and I've never reinstalled the OS and hope I never have to.

      Once a month I consider rather excessive, but for a Windows box, reinstalling at least once a year greatly reduces the kruft. After a clean install, you can feel the improved responsiveness.

      Anyway, my list of the first ten (+1 x2):

      0) Turn off half of the default Windows crap (services, the recycle bin, CD autostart, etc), and perform assorted registry tweaks to stop Windows from acting like a crippled DOS-box-with-GUI (ala Win95) with only 64MB of RAM (such as LargeSystemCache, NtfsDisableLastAccessUpdate, CompletionChar, and DisablePagingExecutive).
      1) PageDefrag, which keeps your registry and pagefile in a single contiguous file (though you should always have your min and max pagefile the same, so that doesn't get fragmented in the first place).
      2) AntiVir. No sane person goes without an AV program, and IMO, this counts as the best of the free ones (for that matter, I consider it better than Norton as well - Slightly more awkward autoupdates, but it doesn't hog system resources). Best of all, as a non-USian program, it doesn't deliberately ignore "official" virii such as the FBI's Magic Lantern.
      3) AdAware. We all know what it does.
      4) SpyBot. Ditto, and it catches some things that AdAware doesn't (and vice-versa).
      5) Mozilla, of course.
      6) Winamp. I still prefer the v2.x series, but, gotta have at least one of them.
      7) TeraTerm Pro and TeraTerm SSH. Technically two installs, but only a moron would use unencrypted telnet these days.
      8) Calypso, a really nice (and free-as-in-beer) email program. Want the latest, greatest features in your email program, making it all but indistinguishable from a full-featured web browser and media player? Don't use this. Want a safe medium for text communication, with fairly powerful regexp filtering? You'll consider Calypso a godsend.
      9) The GIMP. 'nuff said.
      10) Finally, a compiler (or three... The next dozen installs after this one would include various other dev tools). Currently I still prefer Borland C 5.02, sadly not free. Although advancing technoology has already made it basically obsolete, it has what I consider the most straightforward IDE of any development suite out there.
      0, part 2) Repeat step 0, since by this point Windows will have tried to undo half of my changes from the first time.

      Okay. Ego-post of the day done.

    4. Re:Are y'all nuts? by Captain+Large+Face · · Score: 1

      127.0.0.1. Do your worst.

    5. Re:Are y'all nuts? by Wolfrider · · Score: 1

      --Having used both TeraTerm and PuTTY, I would recommend you try PuTTY - that is, if you haven't already. IMHO it blows TT away.

      --
      .
      == WolfriderV6 == I'm willing to admit that *I just might* be wrong... Are you??
    6. Re:Are y'all nuts? by AsbestosRush · · Score: 1

      The only problem with TerraTerm and Terraterm SSH is that they don't support SSH2. A *real* bummer. I use Console for a nice frontend to cmd on XP, and ssh windows. Full cmd line support, without the full cygwin install. If something strange happens, I'll grab the newest version of the cygwin1.dll file, which usually fixes any issues that I'm having.

      --
      EveryDNS. Use it. It works.
      AC's need not reply
    7. Re:Are y'all nuts? by pla · · Score: 1

      and ssh windows. Full cmd line support, without the full cygwin install.

      Actually, I do use that one, though more for the server than the client.

      As its only down side, sftp doesn't seem to work (I've tried the various hacks for it I've seen online, and at best I can get the connection to hang, rather than immediately disconnect... Not a great improvement <G>).

      But yes, I do enjoy that one, and would recommend it to anyone needing an sshd for Windows.

    8. Re:Are y'all nuts? by AsbestosRush · · Score: 1

      The last time I downloaded the package, it was using an old version of the cygwin1.dll file. It would hang on big transfers with scp, was the specific problem that I was having. I grabbed a new copy of cygwin for a devlopement machine, and copied the cygwin1.dll file out of that onto the machine that I'm using ssh windows on, and replaced the version shipped with ssh windows with the new dll. worked ever since for me.

      --
      EveryDNS. Use it. It works.
      AC's need not reply
    9. Re:Are y'all nuts? by zero0w · · Score: 1
      10) Finally, a compiler (or three... The next dozen installs after this one would include various other dev tools). Currently I still prefer Borland C 5.02, sadly not free. Although advancing technoology has already made it basically obsolete, it has what I consider the most straightforward IDE of any development suite out there.
      Perhaps you can try Microsoft free commandline compiler Visual C++ Toolkit 2003?

      http://msdn.microsoft.com/visualc/vctoolkit2003/
  272. Qui! by remusrm · · Score: 1

    1
    norton antivirus 9 (enterprise)
    2
    all windows updates on XP
    3
    ad-aware
    4
    mirc
    5
    office 2k
    6
    aim (new one with no lovely wild
    7
    yahoo messenger(the new beta)
    9
    emule
    10
    aol client (they stuck me on in a 6 month commitment, after my free 1 yr trial that came with dell) BBB should come to the rescue anytime.

  273. On MacOS X? Here's the whole interoperability kit by rwa2 · · Score: 2, Informative
    1. Fink - get the GNU POSIX environment on!
    2. OSXVNC - get somewhere else
    3. OO.o
    4. Mozilla / Firefox / etc. - and the plugins:
    5. MPlayer - it handles just about all the codecs
    6. WS Manager - Multiple desktop manager. I'm too cheap to pay to upgrade from OS 10.2 to 10.3 for Exposé, even with my wife's educational discount.
    Of course there's all the stuff from their autoupdater too. Heh, notice it's a bit smaller than the Windows list :P
  274. My top four programs. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Opera, Xemacs, ActiveState perl and Cygwin.

  275. Market research by Dwonis · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Nothing like free market research, eh? :-)

  276. My List for Windows by Jack+Comics · · Score: 2, Interesting

    After installing all the appropriate device drivers, the first ten items on my list would be -

    1. Symantec Drive Image 2. OpenOffice.org 3. Sygate Personal Firewall Pro 4. NOD32 Anti-Virus 5. PestPatrol 6. iolo System Mechanic 7. WinRAR 8. Mozilla Firefox 9. UltraEdit 10. Nero Burning ROM

    --
    "We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars." - Oscar Wilde
  277. Windows developer box by Nick+of+NSTime · · Score: 1

    In addition to the standard patches and virus scanner: 1. Visual Studio .NET for Enterprise Architects 2. MSDN Library 3. Microsoft Office System 2003 (Word, Excel, FrontPage, etc) 4. SQL Server 2000 5. Microsoft Sharepoint 6. Visio for Enterprise Architects 7. Virtual PC 8. SharpReader 9. The GIMP 10. Google Toolbar

  278. Just did it yesterday: by trippcook · · Score: 1

    1) Firefox 2) Eudora 3) Winamp 4) PowerArchiver (my personal fave alternative to WinRAR and WinZIP) 5) AdAware 6) Wordperfect 7) Irfanview 8) Trillian 9) Filezilla 10) Azureus

  279. Their name change worked. by Bill,+Shooter+of+Bul · · Score: 1

    Its hard to hate a company named claria. Partially, because its so easy to mistake it for the name of a pharmecutical. If you didn't remind me that they were gator, I wouldn't have remebered. I guess I remebered gator so easily because I had to remove all their spyware every couple of weeks from my parents computer when I was living at home. I suppose that I would grow to hate Claria just as much If I still lived with them. Now I just reinstall windows every month or so. Hey, maybe Claria is why this guy is installing windows every month!

    --
    Well.. maybe. Or Maybe not. But Definitely not sort of.
  280. First 10? by Gleef · · Score: 1

    Among the first things I do after an install is generally tasksel -s -n, which installs far more than ten programs. Either that or I edit the apt configuration files to select the Sarge distribution and an apt-get dist-upgrade which, again, installs far more than ten programs.

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    Open mind, insert foot.
  281. Kill viruses and the spy ware by mpost4 · · Score: 1

    Norton
    Adaware
    spybot
    and spyware blaster
    Then you are ready for the other stuff.

    ah forget all that pain just get a real OS such Mac OS X or Linux

    1. Re:Kill viruses and the spy ware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean an operating system that is so neglected, no one would bother to write spyware for it?

  282. Err by hackstraw · · Score: 1

    1st, the "asker" did not have to specify that he used Windows. To my knowledge, that OS is the only one that needs a booster shot every 12 months or so. Disclaimer: I don't know much about Windows, but I did use it for a while a few years ago. Anyway, the top 10 software installs are very different depending on who you are, and I would guess that you know better than I or anyone else what you need to install.

    On windows, can't you just do a print screen or something with the "Installed Applications" section of the control panel? Go through that list and simply put a check besides the ones that you "need" and chalk the other apps as something that was just an experiment. You could also take a look at your "Program Files" folder if thats any easier or different than the control panel.

    I also found it interesting what programs you picked to install. I havn't heard of Trillian, Azureus, GKrellM, or PowerDVD. Most windows users throw Office on there in minutes of an install. A small percentage install a more featurefull web browser. Many throw a bunch of games. On a Windows system, I personally had to install VIM, UN*X toys like ncftp, cygnus, Perl, and whatever the latest mozilla variant that does web stuff. Of course Putty so I can go to other machines too. Oh yeah, I also think its necessary for windows to have antivirus software and that antispyware stuff too. (Fun!)

    Instead of asking millions of strangers what software you should install on your computer that you use all the time and apparently have been for multiple years to know what kind of maintence that you have to do to keep your system running, maybe you should ask yourself if its really worthwhile to spend this much time annually to do such a thing. I have never reinstalled Solaris, Linux, or anything for that matter besides Windows and DOS. I have only done minor OS/kernel upgrades, its not worth my time to upgrade or fix somthing that is not already broken. I get a new personal machine every 2.5-5 years, and spend about a month or two tweaking it to how I want, and its a pain. During that time I'm always finding something that I missed, and need to go out to download it. I like getting new hardware, but I hate the time spent to get it up to par. So, can anyone else help this guy figure out what software he needs to put on his computer? (Ask Slashdots are getting worse here laterly).

  283. 10 fav apps by equex · · Score: 1

    on my 2k box:
    1. Service Packs and hotfixes
    2. NAV
    3. ZoneAlarm
    3. TweakUI
    4. StartupCPL (from mlin.net)
    5. WinSCP & putty
    6. mIRC
    7. Winamp
    8. Unix32 tools & 2k Resource kit
    9. Cygwin
    10. 4NT

    --
    Can I light a sig ?
  284. A "programmers" answer ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I primarily use my machine for programming .. so:

    MS Visual Studio
    Borland Builder
    Cygwin
    ActiveState Python
    ActiveState Perl
    (AS's implementations integrate nicely with WSH)
    MIT Scheme
    MinGW Developer Studio
    AIM
    Gaim
    FireFox
    MS Office
    Adobe Acrobat Reader
    Strokeit (excellent mouse gestures program)
    A _ton_ of libraries (boost, wxWidgets, SDL ...)

  285. Windows 2000 Professional by LoganEkz · · Score: 1

    Kerio Personal Firewall - great software firewall, a must on any Windows box
    F-Prot AntiVirus - another must have, antivirus software
    Tray Wizard - extentions to 2K system tray
    DAEMON Tools - mount ISO images off your harddrive to virtual CD drives
    FlashFXP - FTP Client with loads of nice features
    UltraEdit - must have text editor, nice features such as syntax highlighting
    IrfranView - multi-format image viewer
    Media Player Classic - replacement for WMP that blows it out of the water
    WinRAR - multi-format archive app
    PuTTY

  286. WinXP Top Ten by orion024 · · Score: 1

    Other than hotfixes...

    Firefox
    Thunderbird
    SSH
    Java 1.5.1 beta SDK
    Jedit (the the text editor for coding I've ever used ... not to mention it's free
    Ruby
    Trillian
    GNU Utilities for Win32 (about 120 handy command line tools for Win, like ls, tar, diff, wget, less, you know, all the stuff you try typing at the cmd prompt in windows realizing, after you hit enter, that it doesn't work)

    Okay, so thats not ten... but those are the first. I should also mention that one of the VERY first things that gets done is the _uninstallation_ of MSN Messenger.

  287. Windows and Linux are different... by aussersterne · · Score: 1

    I primarily use Linux, and with sane package maintenance/upgrades, etc. I only usually install once every few years, generally to get new features. Mozilla, OpenOffice, etc. all get installed by the distro these days, so last time the first things I installed were a set of older tools to get at older files and then some commercial software:

    - The Andrew User Interface System (for ez)
    - WordPerfect 8 for Linux
    - xv
    - Crossover Office
    - Loki games
    - Oh, and a custom kernel

    I reinstall XP on my Windows partition pretty much every time I need to use Windows; it's the only way to keep the damn thing working properly. So then, the list goes:

    - Reinstall XP
    - Install whatever program I was planning on using

    A day or two using XP and IE and the thing is already full of spyware and things are beginning to break (in the XP install that I did last week, Windows Media Player will no longer start, for example).

    --
    STOP . AMERICA . NOW
  288. Can't get over it by RAMMS+EIN · · Score: 1

    You reinstall that often exactly because you use Windows.

    If you used a more solid system, you would quickly realize how much time you waste installing the same things over and over again.

    I used to do a _lot_ of installations of various Linux distros and such OSes as BeOS, AtheOS, VSTa and QNX. They were different each time - installing one I had seen already simply wasn't interesting enough. At some point, even installing Yet Another Linux Distro wasn't interesting enough, and I shifted focus no getting actual work done.

    Occassionally, I try a new Linux distro to see what's happening in Linuxland. None of them have managed to move me away from Debian.

    --
    Please correct me if I got my facts wrong.
  289. my top10 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1 reset5.02/xp antispy
    2 opera
    3 zonealarm pro
    4 norton av
    5 ad aware/spybot
    6 winrar
    7 acrobat reader
    8 trillian
    9 winamp
    10 tweakUI

  290. Hmmmm by Sevn · · Score: 1

    Mac OS X:

    Firefox
    Roxio 6
    Office v.X
    Gimp 2.0
    fink
    darwin ports
    Ettercap
    EtherPeg
    MacStumber
    Etherpeek
    SideTrack

    Linux:

    XFree86
    Fluxbox
    Ettercap
    FireFox
    crossover office w/ office 2000
    xv
    gimp 2.0
    rxvt
    bash
    vim
    Quake3 w/ OSP

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  291. 'Cause FOSS rocks by dacarr · · Score: 1

    Sylpheed, Pan, html-helper-mode.el, Opera (OK, it's not FOSS, so what?), Firefox, chkrootkit, the Red Carpet setup, OOo, Bittorrent, sclj, and my ~/bin directory.

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  292. Norton Ghost by saitoh · · Score: 1

    If your formating your machine once a month, just ghost it.

    I've got all of the lab machines where I work set up so that we ghost them every other week when stuff breaks. Its great.

    So yeah, the first program I install, is Norton Ghost.

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  293. Unix (Solaris/AIX/HP-UX/Linux) by ModifiedDog · · Score: 1

    I port to a lot of different Unix systems...

    1. gzip
    2. wget
    3. bash
    4. less
    5. gcc
    6. gdb
    7. flex
    8. bison
    9. m4
    10. emacs and everything it depends on

    My list goes way beyond 10...

    I used to be a PC weenie, but damn if I haven't become a Unix weenie.

  294. Only one.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Once I had my system running the way I wanted it and had it locked down. I tarballed it. So now, if I suspect a breach of security, I only have to format my drive, put it on /mnt and do a tar -xvf blahblah.tar. Done, just like new.

  295. Adaware by Profane+MuthaFucka · · Score: 1

    Nobody's mentioned Lavasoft's Adaware and Grisoft's AVG anti-virus programs. These are both free.

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  296. Security by Snowbeam · · Score: 1

    I can't beliee the answers I am seeing here. Any sortware installed first after the OS, should be to securre the box. I don't care what OS is runnning. If that machine is going to be on a network, make sure the damn thing is secured. After that, you can install all your toys whatever they may be.

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  297. First Installations.. by OutRigged · · Score: 1

    Here's mine:

    1. LiteStep - Because the default shell included with Windows is horribly inefficiant.
    2. Metapad - Slightly enhanced version of Notepad, it has a few features I've grown to love. And it's only 90k!
    3. Miranda-IM - I used to use Trillian, but it's gotten way to bloated lately.
    4. Mozilla Firefox - Because anything less is uncivilized.
    5. Mozilla Thunderbird - No more worrying about catching a virus while downloading email.
    6. PuTTy - I've yet to find a better SSH client on Windows.
    7. Foobar2000 - More features then you can shake a stick at, and the simple default UI is great.
    8. Daemon-Tools - The only time I ever put a CD in a CD-ROM drive is when I make an image of it.
    9. Azureus - My favorite Bittorrent client.
    10. FileZilla - Nice and simple UI, loads fast, supports SFTP, and it's open source! What more could I ask for?
    11. 7-zip - Nice small archive program that supports a boat load of compression formats.
    12. XnView - Image viewer that supports a boat load of image formats. :)

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  298. List by WillDraven · · Score: 1
    0) OS updates.
    1) Kerio Personal Firewall - Everyone has thier own personal favorite firewall. This is the one im using atm.
    2) StatBar - Very usefull little program, allows you to see how much recources windows is sucking up, also a few handy things like time syncing and winamp control.
    3) WinAmp 2.95 - Since I keep my winamp minimized in the systray most of the time i dont need a pretty interface, this works just fine for me.
    4) mIRC - Being an irc netadmin, I need this, or else I die from withdrawl.
    5) WinRar - Winrar, need I say more?
    6) Putty - SSH Client to login to nix shells.
    7) FlashFXP - Handy FTP client.
    8) SpyBot S&D - I think we all know what this is.
    9) NewsBin - Newsgroups reader.
    10) Nod32 Antivirus - Everyone needs antivirus.. well, on [relatively] unsecure windows boxes at least.

    These are not in the right order, just threw em up there as i thought of them.

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  299. Don't forget these necessities.... by DenniRuz · · Score: 1

    WinSCP, PuTTY, VNC and let's not forget the now free MS SFU (Services for Unix).

    Makes it a little more comfortable in a strange sort of way.

  300. my six by igotmybfg · · Score: 1

    firefox xmms gaim evolution gtk-gnutella xine

  301. RTFA by jarran · · Score: 2, Funny

    No, he said what do you install after your operating system. ;)

  302. Why not... by Beautyon · · Score: 1

    1 PGP
    2 Mozilla full suite
    3 SSH
    4 Daemon Tools
    5 Videolan
    6 Cygwin
    7 Ultraedit
    8 All non spyware p2p apps
    9 Samurize
    10 Skype

    in no particular order (except mozilla, which needs to follow PGP, so Enigmail can get with it)
    and sooooo many others!

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  303. Linux (Debian) by fozzmeister · · Score: 1

    Gnome-Desktop, Mozilla-Firefox, MPlayer, XChat, OpenOffice, Screen, Links, Discover, Hotplug, ssh

  304. My Ten by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    After Office and all security updates.

    1) pagedefrag(http://www.sysinternals.com/
    2) WinRAR
    3) Cygwin(http://www.cygwin.com/)
    4) TweakUI
    5) Firefox(and then shockwave, flash,java for it)
    6) adaware
    7) Spybot S&D (My wife loves IE)
    8) WinAmp
    9) Quicktime
    10) Real Player(Love those proprietary codecs)

  305. Before having to reinstall all that again... by aitsu · · Score: 1

    as this is Windows, it would tempt fate not to install some kind of anti-virus utility.

  306. well, On OS X I install by the_2nd_coming · · Score: 1

    MS Office X, and Stuffit Deluxe.

    but that is all since I have everything else I need, and I only did it once since that is all I have needed to do .

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  307. my ten are by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    windows patches, critical updates
    winrar
    winamp
    media player classic (k-lite codec pack, real alternative, quicktime alternative)
    cdex
    dvddecrypter
    myie2
    visual studio .NET
    textpad
    bittorrent client (bittornado or novatorrent)

  308. For the sake of adding to the list: by pythian · · Score: 1
    1. GeoShell - I find the Explorer shell to suck and GeoShell is rather stable, quick to install/configure, and highly usable.
    2. Firefox
    3. Thunderbird
    4. Winamp - I enjoy that 5.x comes with Milkdrop standard.
    5. Miranda-IM - I used to have stability issues with older builds of Miranda but after that went away I haven't looked back at Trillian or the stand-alone apps.
    6. Zoom Player - I don't quite like Winamp for movies, Zoom Player is excellent.
    7. PowerDVD - for the codec.
    8. MSYS and MinGW
    9. SciTE - I used Editplus for some time until I found this.
    10. WinRAR - I like the interface, for the most part, and it handles most formats.
  309. JED by ludicruz · · Score: 1

    jed www.jedsoft.org

  310. My first 10... by hangingonwords · · Score: 0

    1- service packs and any updates
    2- microsoft office
    3- mcafee virus scan
    4- trillian/aim/yahoo
    5- google toolbar
    6- winamp 2.81
    7- adobe photoshop 7
    8- games
    9- games
    10- more games

    try modding me down for THIS! ;OP

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  311. Exactly! Who the heck has all this time... by cnelzie · · Score: 1

    ...to be running around reinstalling their OS every month?

    How could anyone be such a 'L4m3r' that they would need to actually reinstall their OS every month... What kind of m0r0n is this submitter?

    (Now, in typical Slashdot fashion, I expect two, nay! Three or Four Rebuttals with remarks about being a developer... Another because someone is 'Just learning' and so on and so forth...)

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  312. On Linux you don't really need a list.. . . by madstork2000 · · Score: 1

    Because most of the time 1. you do not need to wipe and restart and 2. you are running a distribution you like because it includes the applications you like. Most Linux distro's will have the "must have" applications already there. That is one of the beuatiful things about free software. The distros can include popular applciations.

    In fact Linux users are much more likely to have a top ten of applications they UNINSTALL after a fresh upgrade. I'm not that paranoid on my home PC, but I do nuke a lot of applications on the public servers I run.

    Back to the post, when I used Windows regularly it was about once a month before I needed a clean install. I've been running Linux exclusively for about 6 years now, and have never had to do a regular "clean" install becaus of clutter ( a couple of times when I was a newbie, and fsck'd up though ). Now the only times I do "reinstall" are when the hardrive fails, or when i am exploring a new distribution.

    As of now I am favoring Knoppix, which includes most everything out of the gate. I find the only things I "MUST" add are:

    1. custom scripts i've written that help make it easier for me to maintain my quirky ways.
    2. my data
    3. custom configs for name servers, printers, X config (I run dual headed, so I usually have to tweak the X settings) etc

    Since the internet and debian make installing things so easy, and Knoppix out of the box is pretty complete, I find that I don't have to install "must haves" until they are actually needed.

    It really is nice when the desktop has an uptime in the 200-300 day range. I still get to go through the regular scheduled hard drive flushes vicariously through my Dad or brothers who have yet to seriously consider Linux. Their updates usually include a fair amount of swearing as drivers no longer work, and for some reason his network never works after a fresh install.

    I usually hear about it when they call me to try to help, and I patiently explain for the umpteenth time that I have not used Windows for years, and this is a fine example of why (AKA I TOLD YOU SO). Then I offer my limited windows expertise and we generally get the system in question hobbled back together for a month or two until somebody else's computer is doomed to repeat the scenerio over again.. .

    Oh well, that's just my $.02

    -MS2K

    1. Re:On Linux you don't really need a list.. . . by Junks+Jerzey · · Score: 1

      Back to the post, when I used Windows regularly it was about once a month before I needed a clean install.

      Then in all honesty, you were doing something wrong. Seriously. The only reason you'd ever need to reinstall Windows that often is if you go in and intentionally break things, possibly the result of misguided configuration attempts.

      It's like saying "I installed Linux, and I went in and screwed around with all this stuff to 'tweak' it, but I ended up having to reinstall."

      I've used many flavors of Windows, even the much maligned ME, and I install and uninstall software all the time, and I've only ever had to reinstall Windows once. That was because a 3dfx driver didn't support Windows ME. If I had been running System Restore--a tool that elite people always turn off--then I would have been fine even in that case. I've used Windows 2000 for *years* on the same machine, throughout several hardcore software development projects, with no problems at all.

    2. Re:On Linux you don't really need a list.. . . by madstork2000 · · Score: 1

      I did do a lot of seriously wrong things, like opened up regedit. Mixed and matched DLL from different flavors of the os (usually in an attempt to get an obscure piece of hardware to work). So doing something wrong is EXACTLY why I had to reinstall all the time. If you F up the registry you were and still are screwed. 6 years ago, I liked to poke around and learn stuff, and regedit was a favorite application. But I grew tired of every little mistake mucking things up. I assumed the audience here (ie Slashdot readers) were into monkeying around with the registry.

      My grand parents Windows 95 machine still runs just fine after not being touched for 8 years. Granted all they do with it is Solitaire and light word processing (NO INTERNET). Of course, if you're not messing around and working within the specified and recommended usage patterns Windows should not break.

      The other thing contributing to my endless headache was that I would spend a ton of time downloading and installing trial software and shareware (back before everything was spyware), and generally a bunch of software that never uninstalled cleanly. Eventually the registry was so bloated that it would take ten minutes to start up (granted it was a 486 DX4100 with a whopping 16MB Ram).

      I should point out also that a lot of the time I did not "NEED" to install in the truest sense. I was usually able to survive the screw up, but fixing the screw up was usually a longer and more frustrating process than simply starting over.

      Obvisously, times have changed, there are applications now better at cleaning up the mess the junk software makes. From what I know of my families computer habits, they are either installing new hardware / drivers all the time in an effort to improve speed for games, which still seems to cause a fair amount of problems at times. They NEVER buy a prebuilt system, they (as do I ) simply buy components and continually upgrade everything in the box. This has lead to the root of most of my personal computing problems, and I suspect a large number of my families issues.

      Also to be clear, in the begining with Linux it WAS very much the same way. I would muck things up to the point where I could not correct them. Eventually I realized that there was usually a better way, and a quick Google search (or at the time Alta Vista or usenet) provided the answers. In my experience it was a lot easier to go down the road of disaster Windows 95/98/ME and to a lesser extent NT4.0 were sure a lot easier to permentently screw up.

      Oh well, I started my own business so that besides dealing with my family, I don't have to deal with the bloated headache inducing sh*t spewed from Redmond. If you want to use it MS software, more power to you, just don't call me with problems unless your last name is Phillips ;)

  313. My top quick launch menu... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    -IE 6.0 (just use it for flash stuff, Firefox for everything else).
    -FireFox (Tabs rock.)
    -Thunderbird (for mail)
    -Acrobat (to read and create PDFs)
    -InDesign 2 (to do layout/production)
    -PhotoShop 7 (For photo editing... general screwing around)
    -The Font Thing (free app, to find a font for whatever i'm doing)
    -Word '97 (haven't found any new features/reason to updgrade!)
    -Dreamweaver 4 (w/O'Reilley's HTML, CSS, and Javascript reference built in)
    -KaZaA lite K++(no spyware)
    -iTunes(to sync with my iPod... and to listen to MP3s)
    -Windows Media Player (to play video... mostly stuff downloaded from BT...)
    -ICQ (IM)
    -WS FTP LE
    -Notepad

  314. Besides stuff from Windows Update? by reanjr · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Discluding Windows Update stuff, this is probably close to it:

    1. NVIDIA Apps for multiple desktop, etc.
    2. Opera
    3. Visual Studio .NET 2003
    4. Office XP
    5. MySQL
    6. PHP
    7. Kazaa
    8. DAEMON Tools (lets you mount ISO, etc. as drive)
    9. MSDE (always a pain to get isntalled for some reason)
    10. WinRAR

  315. My list by xaoslaad · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Windows: Diskeeper, McAfee VirusScan, WinSCP, PuTTY, WS_FTP LE, Winzip, VNC, Ad-aware, google toolbar, either MS Office or OOo depending if it's a home or work PC. Linux: expect, McAfee VirusScan, chkrootkit, (and if it is a Desktop) VNC, OOo, Mozilla, conntrack, firestarter, macromedia Plugin (for Mozilla), and j2sdk or j2re (j2re if just for Mozilla, j2sdk if I'll be programming for my classes)... That said, expect, OOo, VNC, and Mozilla all come straight of my distro these days; so really I don't even install those... As for a server; the less the better; the way less the way better...

  316. Hm... out of ideas. by DroopyStonx · · Score: 1

    I couldn't come up with a witty response, but I do want to be ub3r-c00l and use the word 'boxen'. Is that okay? On my Windows BOXEN (am I cool now?), I install:

    1. Norton Internet Security Pro. 2004. The firewall sucks ass, but better than nothing, I guess. Lookin to use BlackIce. Anti-virus is a must as a frequently dabble in warez and.. well, you never know!

    2. Winzip/WinRar

    3. Visual Studio .net Enterprise Architect 2003

    4. SQL Server 2000 Enterprise

    5. Apache

    6. MySQL

    7. PHP/Perl

    8. Firefox

    9. Thunderbird

    10. P2P apps (Shareaza, Kazaa Lite, WASTE, Freenet, etc)

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  317. A Quick list: by rmezzari · · Score: 0

    Fist of all update the OS and drivers, then:

    Kerio Firewall
    AVG
    Mozilla
    OpenOffice
    CDex
    Irfanvie w
    Nero, if you want to burn CDs
    7-Zip or Powerarchiver
    VideoLan
    Winamp lite
    TweakUI
    AdAware
    Emule ;)
    If you can spare the money, try 2000Lite/XPlite from litepc.com, it helps to remove all the crap that you wouldnt use anyway

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  318. First 10 by exick · · Score: 2, Informative

    1. Mozilla Firefox
    2. Mozilla Thunderbird
    3. Cygwin
    4. WinRAR
    5. Zoom Player
    6. UltraEdit
    7. Gaim
    8. Spybot S&D
    9. Adobe Acrobat
    10. MS Office and/or OpenOffice

  319. Debian, anyone? by dan14807 · · Score: 1

    Hmmmm...

    After a Debian install is up and running, the first thing I apt-get is "less".

    And as for reinstalling? How about never? Installed my Debian system at home about 3 years ago, and I just keep dist-upgrading.

  320. Total Commander by Jugalator · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Windows users: Don't forget Total Commander!

    Kicking Midnight Commander's butt any day too. ;-)

    Don't forget to look at its plugins either. If you're still looking to extend the functionality after that list, look here too.

    It's not free (in either meaning), however it's one of those software packages I'm prepared to buy. And if you don't, you can at least still use 100% of its feature set for as long as you wish. There's just a nag dialog at startup.

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    1. Re:Total Commander by gibson · · Score: 1

      You've gotta agree on this 100%.

      I could never understand how any user - be it experienced or not - could cope with "Windows Explorer". Once you've seen this tool (package) TotalCommander, you'll never want to return again. But you may have to, on the next machine. :)

      Still waiting for a Linux version. ;-)

      (Like I never got the notion about what is good about "Internet Explorer", except that "it's just there" [duh!], and that it's allegedly most standard conform - or used to be.)

      gibson

  321. 143 Easy Steps by apirkle · · Score: 1

    See also: This post on diveintomark.com called How To Install Windows XP In 5 Hours Or Less.

  322. Who remembers these stupid previews? by Have+Blue · · Score: 1

    Can ah have a program?

    No, ten> programs??

    CAN AH HAVE TWENNY PROGRAMS?!

  323. MY List... Linux version by lacrymology.com · · Score: 0

    0. Everything checked at install (minus KDE and OO)
    1. JDK
    2. Eclipse
    3. OO.Org
    4. Firefox
    5. Apt-Get
    6. Php-mysql
    7. Wine
    8. Pygame
    9. Lame

    -m

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  324. Not that you care: First apps on eMac and PC by penginkun · · Score: 1

    GraphicConverter
    BitTorrent
    DragThing
    WindowSha de
    FruitMenu
    Toast
    MacTheRipper
    Latest Surfer's Serials (I only use it for medicinal purposes)
    Hotline (yes, I still use it occasionally)
    ICQ
    MT NewsWatcher
    MP3 Rage
    Mail Siphon II

    And a bunch of other stuff, too. CMMs and the like. I just can't think what any of it is. I tend to delete or prevent the installation of the iApps, excepting iTunes, mostly because I just couldn't give a shit, and anyway iPhoto is slower that molasses running uphill in January. No, really, it is. I've checked.)

    On my new WinXP machine I installed:

    as many security updates as it had
    IE6 update
    SP1a
    7Zip
    WinAmp 5
    iTunes (can never have too many MP3 apps, right?)
    Mail Siphon II (which is apparently no longer publically available for Windows?)
    CuteFTP

    And again, stuff I can't recall right off hand. Mostly drivers for the MoBo & video card, as well as games (Serious Sam 1&2, Deus Ex, Far Cry).

    Wasn't that fun?

  325. my linux & win 10 by dnamaners · · Score: 1

    first 10 for Win XP:
    1. ALL THE DARN UPDATES!
    2. winrar
    3. norton system works
    4. drive image
    5. reg cleaner
    6. tweak ui
    7. mozilla
    8. all my favorite Video codecs
    9. bs player
    10. ms office


    first 10 for linux:
    1. debian stable distribution (woody)
    2. grub
    3. upgrade stable to unstable
    4. x & kdm (preferred over gdm or xdm)
    5. gnome & tools (my display manager)
    6. kde & tools (her display manager)
    7. samba
    8. open office
    9. mozilla
    10. gimp

    *windows is very zen, it is not about what to install but about what you will not...

  326. Programs, in order by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1) Zone Alarm (before connecting to the network)
    2) Every patch shown in windows update
    3) Drivers, Firmware, etc for everything in system
    4) Adaware
    5) Up to date JDK/JRE
    6) Mozilla
    7) OpenOffice
    8-10) Missing Plug-ins (Flash, Acrobat, etc.)

  327. My list (M$ Haters Need Not Read) by LookSharp · · Score: 1

    Format as NTFS, then:

    1) WindowsXP Pro, SP1a
    (Plus MS Security Update CD, then let run for a couple of trips through Windows Update)
    2) Microsoft Plus! for WinXP
    3) OfficeXP Pro (plus hotfixes)
    4) iTunes 4.2 w/Quicktime 6.5
    5) Trillian
    6) K++ Codec MegaPack v1.0 (GO GET THIS NOW.)
    7) Norton SystemWorks
    8) WinRar
    9) Quake3 and 4GB worth of maps and mods
    9a) UT2004 and extra maps - soon to supercede 9.
    10)Google Toolbar

    Finally: Latest drivers for all devices (including mobo chipset), one last run at WindowsUpdate, Defrag system drive, and enjoy your "new" system. :)

    1. Re:My list (M$ Haters Need Not Read) by LookSharp · · Score: 1

      Whoops, sorry to reply to my own post, but I forgot:

      AdAware 6.18 (+ recent update)
      TweakUI
      Acrobat Reader

    2. Re:My list (M$ Haters Need Not Read) by Sjobeck · · Score: 0

      Change that to: Acrobat 6.0 (not reader) SpyBot Search & Destroy (skip AdAware)

  328. Windows software..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Essential software:

    1. Norton SystemWorks
    2. MS Office
    3. Mozilla
    4. Borland Delphi
    5. Borland Starteam
    6. MSDN Documentation
    7. Programmers Notepad
    8. Serious Samurize
    9. Maple
    10. The GIMP

    I've had XP for nine months now, virus-free since the first week, and the only problem I've had was when I corrupted my NTFS partition trying to resize it with Linux, which I dual-boot. Norton Ghost put my previous image right back, and my computer was normal in half an hour.

  329. Not really a program... by Gogl · · Score: 1

    ...but first thing I stick on a Windows machine is Geoshell, presuming it's a personal machine (e.g. I don't have to share it or use it at a job or something). If you've not heard of it, Geoshell is a fantastic shell replacement. Stabler, takes less memory, and much more configurable (custom hotkeys galore) than Explorer. Besides that, your list looks pretty good, though personally I'd replace SmartFTP with WinSCP (SFTP client), throw in Putty (SSH client), Irfanview, DC++, and AVG Antivirus. Oh, and probably Adaware for good measure, even though you can avoid spyware if you just have a brain about what you install.

    Besides that, I still run Ultimatezip instead of WinRAR, frankly I'm going with it because it's the status quo and it works fine. And I run Zonealarm, even though it's become a bit bloated. Oh, here's one thing you forgot: a good codec package. And BSPlayer to play videos... oh and Quicktime and an old version of RealPlayer (preferably RP8 or something). And then Cygwin for a nice *nix command line, and Nero to burn cds. There, I think that's about it.

  330. my top 10 by Ruliz+Galaxor · · Score: 0

    Besides all the Windowsupdates:

    - DC++ -> to copy new warez
    - Copy Handler -> to copy new warez
    - FlashFXP -> to copy new warez
    - WinRAR -> to uncompress all my warez
    - WinAmp -> to play all my mU54K
    - distributed.net -> cuz I'm a cow
    - Nero -> to burn all my warez
    - UltraEdit -> to read the .nfo files
    - Daemon Tools -> to install all my warez
    - MSN Messenger -> to chat with all my Fr13nD5

  331. Surprise by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You use windows and you reinstall it once a month? I thought Gentoo users put a dent in their productivity for no good reason but that takes the cake. Whatever, it's your Mom's eMachine, do what you like, kid. The rest of us have better things to do with our systems.

  332. Nothing special here. by Slayk · · Score: 1

    On XP, it goes like this:
    Firefox - Can't stand IE.
    GIMP - Mmmm...
    Metapad (to replace notepad) - Always have something getting coded in there. Thunderbird
    PuTTY - So I can SSH into my Slack box.
    Trillian
    Semagic - For updating my lj.
    Winamp 2.91
    SmartFTP
    McAffe Internet Security - It *is* a Windows box, and I only trust my router firewalls so much. Java SDK (gotta get my coding on)

  333. All warez is in rar format! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You are DEAD without .rar. Besides, Linux DVDrip uses rar for subtitles.If you want to rip DVDs under linux, you need .rar

  334. Half Life for Free by JWhitlock · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Valve has put a lot of work and bug fixes into their internet gaming platform, Steam. It's not perfect, but it's working pretty well these days. As part of their promotion, you can now get Half-Life for free by downloading and registering Steam.

    If you haven't played Half-Life yet, it's a great way to try it out (especially since stores still seem to be selling it for $30).

    If you are into the online games, that means you can also play Counter-Strike, Day of Defeat, Team Fortress Classic, or, my personal favorite, Natural Selection.

    I haven't tried it, but you can also try installing steam under Linux, using WineX

  335. First 10 Windoze Programs by MrBobaFett · · Score: 1

    Tiny Personal Firewall FireFox Thunderbird WinAmp Dead-AIM Anti-Virus Semagic VNC CoolEdit Office

  336. My cd cache by nelsonal · · Score: 1

    I keep these in a folder and burn CDs to pass out to folks who I help with computers. In no real order, winRAR/winZIP, OpenOffice, AdobeAcrobat, Mozilla/Firefox, iTunes, bluelight (I have DSL everyone else wanted a cheap ISP). There is probably another program or two. I could use a fun, uncomplex, free game. There aren't many of who like easyBridge and JaGO and the GNU go server.

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  337. Misnomer section title by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Doesn't this article belong under "Tell Slashdot"?

  338. Re:Lamest. Ask Slashdot. Ever. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    WHAT non-retarded editors? ZING! POW!

  339. On Linux? Well.. by rwa2 · · Score: 1
    the question is more like what I don't install... on Debian, just about everything is packaged, except maybe:
    • MPlayer - due to licensing issues
    • lame - ditto
    • SUN's JDK
  340. why reinstall? use ghost by shanmoon · · Score: 2

    I wouldn't reinstall at alll... I'd use Ghost. :p

  341. Essentials for me at least by unfortunateson · · Score: 1

    I'm assuming it's my machine, and I'm moving licenses, so...

    ZoneAlarm
    Norton Antivirus
    ActivePerl
    WinZip
    Lavasoft AdAware
    Microsoft games from an ancient Home Essentials disk (Rat Poker!)
    Office 2000
    Acrobat 6
    UltraEdit
    SecureCRT

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  342. On my (MacOS X) boxes by dgallina · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I install the following first upon building / rebuilding a machine:

    Any MacOS X updates & application patches

    Any required hardware drivers not in the OS (Kensington mouse, scanners, printers, etc)

    Palm desktop & synchronization software (I don't use the Palm provided stuff, but you've got to have it to use iSync on top of it)

    PGP or GPG & my keyrings and Mail.app plug-ins

    Flash / RealPlayer / any other generally useful browser plug-ins

    Usenet news reader (Hogwasher for me)

    Roxio Toast (more full-featured CD / DVD burning)

    MS Office OSX (not my favorite, but more-or-less necessary since a non-X11 version of OpenOffice isn't really ready for prime-time on OSX IMHO)

    Konfabulator and favorite widgets (gotta have some nice desktop widgets!)

    Gimp, Photoshop, or any other necessary photo-editing software

    That's it for 99% of my usual daily work (and my wife's as well).

    You can get an OSX box running amazingly quickly and painlessly for two reasons IMHO (compared to my (continuing at work) years of Windows and Linux use):

    1) Installs are usually very straight-foward drag-and-drop affairs. Libraries and any bits usually included in the .app folder. Very few conflicts or issues.

    2) Lots of useful stuff is already built-in (iTunes, Safari, etc). Not much need to install replacements unless you don't like those or need something else.

  343. MY List ... OSX Version by lacrymology.com · · Score: 0

    In no particular order:

    0. Developer's CD
    1. Fink
    2. VLC
    3. mod-php
    4. MySQL
    5. oo.org
    6. Eclipse
    7. Ant
    8. NetHack
    9. X-Chat Aqua

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  344. Same list for windos and linux... by ron_ivi · · Score: 1
    Pretty much the same list for both.
    1. emacs
    2. perl
    3. tcsh
    4. gcc
    5. gdb
      • postgresql - if it's a server
      • gimp - if it's a desktop
      • apache - if it's a server
      • firefox - if it's a desktop
      • sar - if it's a server (does windows have this? but who runs windows as a server anyway)
      • pine - if it's a desktop
    6. java runtime & SDK
    7. [a tar file of apps & scripts I wrote myself]
    1. Re:Same list for windos and linux... by Too+Much+Noise · · Score: 1

      2. would't perl qualify as belonging to the base install?

      3. same about tcsh - aren't both bash and tchs in the defaults (just to please most cli fans)?

      if you want to plead a purist base install then where's X in the list (on for desktop, off for server)? or openssh?

      I guess my point is 10 is too small a number ;-) or the question has to be rephrased as '10 most needed apps'

    2. Re:Same list for windos and linux... by ron_ivi · · Score: 2, Interesting
      Seems I always re-compile Perl under my own home directory so I can mess with CPAN modules without affecting other users.

      Good call on X. That belongs on both he MSwindows&linux side. It sucks using MSwindows without having Xwindows.

      I guess for tcsh I was just thinking windows / solaris / etc.

      You're totally right 10 is too small. I think the guy who said he does the whole cygwin package is on the right track.

    3. Re:Same list for windos and linux... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most base installs don't include tcsh or any of the other non Bourne shell/bash shells.

      Personally, I gotta have ksh and vim to get anything done.

  345. Re:On windows? Here's the whole interoperability k by Kaimelar · · Score: 1
    If only it had a visual pager...

    I see your list is pretty similar to mine. However, in place of MultiDesk, might I recommend Virtual Dimension. It's another virtual desktop manager for Windows. It includes the visual pager you desire, as well as adding the ability to set shortcuts for paging, making windows always-on-top, exist in all desktops, minimize to tray, make arbitrary windows transparent, etc. Combined with allSnap to give windows snap-to-edge behavior, I don't long for KDE quite as much on my Windows machine anymore. :-)

  346. I only have two... by drywater · · Score: 1

    SuSE Linux 9.0 Professional

    1. Opera 7.x
    2. StarOffice

    The thing I love about SuSE is that almost everything else I'll ever need is already there. Mozilla, GAIM, XTERM, XMMS, Gimp, GQ View, etc. It's just a matter of moving all my data back over.

  347. what about unix systems? by norsk_hedensk · · Score: 1

    unix based OS's need not be reinstalled EVER! reinstallation equates to giving up.

  348. What about activation? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Since most new software (and almost all MS) requires activation and will only activate 2 times, how do you work around that?
    Even Photoshop does it now.

  349. My first installs for Windows XP by CokoBWare · · Score: 1

    1. WinXP-SP1/Windows Update 2. AVG 6.0 3. MSN Messenger 6.1 4. Microsoft Office 2003 5. Spybot Search and Destroy 1.2/Ad-Aware 6.0 6. Yahoo Messenger 5.6 7. K++ 2.5 8. Winamp 5.02 9. Nero Burning ROM 6.0 10. Visual Studio .NET 2003 Am I an MS freak or what??? lol

  350. Re:#1 = Midnight Commander! (Volkov Commander) by aNtiBiOteK · · Score: 0

    Try Volkov Commander, It might be few years old, but it's still the king. Like the Original NC, but supports long file names and more. http://www.egner-online.de/vc/en/intro.shtml

  351. My first one by Syberghost · · Score: 2, Funny

    First thing I'd install on a Windows machine:

    Linux.

  352. My First Ten on Linux by List+of+FAILURES · · Score: 1

    It actually varies based on what the function of the machine is:

    Firewall:
    1. Latest Kernel (custom compile with console on serial port support. Who needs a video card in a firewall anyway?)
    2. Port Sentry
    3. Host Sentry
    4. Log Sentry
    5. Snort
    6. Tripwire
    7. Not a whole hell of a lot else
    8. Not a whole hell of a lot else
    9. Not a whole hell of a lot else
    10. Not a whole hell of a lot else

    Home Server:
    1. Latest kernel with Pre-emptible kernel enabled for better desktop performance
    2. Latest X (or now Xorg) server (custom compiled)
    3. Latest VNC 4.0 beta built into X server and used with gdm to provide remote persistent desktops, unlike XDMP.
    4. Latest GNOME
    5. Latest Xscreensaver (lots of cool new modules that you don't see in the distros)
    6. Latest stable Mozilla
    7. Latest stable OO.o
    8. Latest MPlayer
    9. XMMS with ogg and mp3 support
    10. W.I.N.E. (for those games and a few silly apps that I still use from Windows)

    There's also the Internet Server (web, mail), the VPN server, (OpenVPN on Linux), the File and Print server (SAMBA and CUPS), the Media Server (Hooked to my Telly) and a whole lot more.

    1. Re:My First Ten on Linux by Sjobeck · · Score: 0

      I am Jason Sjobeck, a SlashDot reader, and I approve this list.

  353. The real question is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What are the first ten applications you REMOVE after installing Linux.

    After all, it's about choice, but we all know that nobody uses 5 different mp3 players...

  354. Simple. Very, very simple. Protection. by Tuxedo+Jack · · Score: 1

    1: Spybot S&D with updated definitions.
    2: Mozilla Firefox, set to default browser.
    3: SpywareBlaster with updated definitions.
    4: Grisoft AVG with updated definitions.
    5: Ad-Aware 6 with updated reference file.
    6: ZoneAlarm and set the access limits.
    7a: Thunderbird (only if using "normal" mail; webmail is better)
    7b: Media Player Classic
    8: Winamp 2.8.1
    9: Sun Java Machine
    10: IE-SPYAD

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  355. here goes by dtfinch · · Score: 1

    When someone accidentally lets me use their system, I install.
    patches
    adaware
    mozilla firefox, opera, netscape 4
    filezilla
    cacheman
    java sdk
    openoffice
    cygwin
    k9 (spam filter)
    irfanview (good for batch image operations)

  356. What about the bottom 10? by gregarican · · Score: 4, Funny

    The least likely to apps/options to reinstall:

    1) Gator.

    2) Bonzi Buddy.

    3) Microsoft Bob.

    4) Windows NT 4.0 Service Pack 6 (the one that broke TCP/IP and led to the rush release of SP6a).

    5) Any recent RealPlayer release chock full of adware/spyware.

    6) Any release of Microsoft Outlook Express.

    7) Microsoft KB835742 Security Update (the recent one that causes random Win2K boxes to reboot to a BSOD or have 99% CPU utilization).

    8) The Microsoft Office "Clippy" option.

    9) Microsoft Outlook Preview Pane.

    10) Universal Plug n Play.

    1. Re:What about the bottom 10? by HalliS · · Score: 1

      What's with this hostility torwards Bonzi?

      From bonzi.com:
      He organizes the Internet the way you want it!
      He will make you smile throughout your day with his little gorilla personality!
      He can educate people of all ages with his wealth of knowledge and trivia!
      He makes your computer and the Internet easier, safer, and definitely more fun!

      ... and of course: Please be sure to feed him. He loves his bananas! :)

      Now who could say no to all that?

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  357. Another take, one of very many by AndyElf · · Score: 2, Informative

    Windows:
    - Cygwin (I'll count it as one, but it is, as we all know, many) http://www.cygwin.com/
    - GNU Emacs http://www.gnu.org/software/emacs/
    - Frefox http://www.mozilla.org/projects/firefox/
    - Winkeys http://www.admiton.com/
    - PuTTY http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~sgtatham/putty/
    - Java http://www.sun.com/
    - XXE and XFC from http://www.xmlmind.com/
    - Tcl/Tk (the ActiveState ones) http://tcl.tk/
    - PostgreSQL http://www.postgresql.org/

    Linux/*BSD:
    - X11 :)
    - PostgreSQL
    - GNU Emacs
    - Tcl/Tl
    - Firefox
    - Mutt
    - AOLServer
    - OpenOffice
    - tcsh if it is not there
    - RXVT
    - Sodipodi
    - The Gimp

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  358. Worms by t_allardyce · · Score: 1

    Usually some obscure version of the blaster worm is the first thing to be installed ;)

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  359. cygwin, mozilla, putty , psp by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    #1 cygwin
    #2 mozilla
    #3 putty
    #4 paint shop pro
    #5 fedora

  360. If XP... by vwjeff · · Score: 1

    Just enable the built-in firewall before connecting to the net. It is in no way the best firewall but it will protect you from blaster and other RPC worms. Then download your updates, all (enter number here) megabytes of them.

    1. Re:If XP... by wfberg · · Score: 1

      I second this, BUT make sure you still unplug the ethernet cable while booting because the built-in firewall starts AFTER tcp/ip and the rest.. You'll need to keep unplugging before rebooting and replugging when the box is totally up until all RPC patches have been installed.

      Slipstreaming a service pack onto an installation CD is also always a good idea.

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  361. Nmap? by Chupa · · Score: 1

    Nmap huh? Now why would that be one of the very first programs you need to install? Perhaps you are a sysadmin concerned with the security of your internal network. Or perhaps j00 h4v3 a bur|\|1ng n33d to f1nd s0m3 n3tw3rx t0 h4X0r.

  362. gentoo top ten by DaCool42 · · Score: 1

    vim screen lynx wget openssh mutt tetex firefox gimp snes9x

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  363. My Mac OS X List by Revvy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    0. All updates (including perl and the dev software) 1. Fink ('cuz you're not really a geek without it) 2. MS Office ('cuz you're not compatible without it) 3. Adobe CS Suite (yeah, yeah, more than one app) 4. VLC ('cuz DVDPlayer sucks) 5. Cyberduck ('cuz Apple still can't do FTP right) 6. iLife 4 (never spent a better $49) 7. Firefox (because gMail doesn't support Safari yet) 8. Fire (now 1.0! Woohoo!) 9. iJournal (offline LiveJournal app) 10. PandoCalendar (innocuous and functional calendar widget)

  364. Windows Progs by jrj102 · · Score: 1

    I'd have to say Office 2003, Dreamweaver MX, and Photoshop, and VisualStudio.NET because I use them for work... followed by Mozilla and iTunes because I love them... Finally, NewsGator because I can't live without it.

  365. every month? ever thought of hyperOS? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    regardless of the fact that there is no need to reinstall your windows OS every month (even if you are a developer), would it not make more sense to install hyperOS and use that? or even just create a disc image?

    Does this guy like wasting time?

    besides which, how is this newsworthy of a /. front page?

  366. Just had to do a rebuild.... by 16K+Ram+Pack · · Score: 1
    and not yet up to 10 (unless service packs and drivers are counted).

    So far:- 1. Anti-virus 2. Firefox 3. Thunderbird 4. Java Run Time 5. WinRar (coming off soon, as have found a .net winzip equivalent). 6. Nero burn. Next up are:- 7. Open Office 8. Paint Shop Pro 9. Pinnacle video software 10. #develop

  367. moi list by J3r3miah · · Score: 1

    30 days max? my window 2k3 box has been up for 33 days now.. www.personal.utulsa.edu/~satwinder-singh/web_image s/uptime.gif been hammering it everyday... anyway.. I posted my list as a reply.. but for my work computer windows 2003 Visual Studio .NET MSDN Photoshop (the rest I build with the above)

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  368. Am I the odd one out? by InternationalCow · · Score: 1

    Probably the nth post saying so - but what the hell are you doing to your machines that you need to reinstall every month?? I run Linux, WinXP and OSX and I never need to reinstall. I just maintain my machines properly. I can only conclude that you do unspeakable things to your OS that ruin it. Methinks that the first ten programs you need should include spyware scanners and antivirus programs...

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  369. First Ten Linux/Windows by haplo21112 · · Score: 2, Informative

    Windows:
    1. AIM Gotta communicate
    2. Ultraedit Gotta Edit stuff
    3. putty Gotta talk to those Unix Boxes
    4. Mozilla
    5. FTPPro95 Tpp cheap to buy a new license
    6. Office 2003/Open Office.org I use em both
    7. Visual Studio 6/2000/2003 I count 'em as one
    8. Winamp
    9. Nero/EZ CD Creator again I count them as one
    10. Unreal Whatever version is current

    Linux:
    1. Postfix since its not part of Slackware which is what I use
    2. Custom config of apache/php/mod_gzip/etc
    3. mtrr
    4. Openwebmail
    5. TMDA (Tagged Message deliverly agent)
    6. shoutcast
    7. config samba (does that count as an install)
    8. proftpd ...Ithink thats it I generally don't that much extra I need for my Linux systems. Its really more of a configuration thing.

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  370. yeah by Starve · · Score: 0

    Trillian iTunes (for my iPod) Drivers, Asus motherboard monitors Semagic MiRC FireFox Open Office Palm crap Winrar for all my stuff thats .rared up Nero

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  371. The perfect windows install by DisKurzion · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm coming close to perfecting the windows install. It's not perfect yet, but it's close. I believe it depends greatly on the order you install stuff, as almost everything you install will screw with your registry. This is a bit more than 10 programs, but will guide you to an extremely stable windows install.

    Here goes:

    "The core"
    1. Windows Updates, all the criticals, and most of the optionals
    2. DX9 (if not one of the win updates) and update all drivers, esp vid card.
    2. Visual Studio .NET and updates
    3. Microsoft Office and updates
    4. Tweak UI and/or reg hacks
    5. Defrag 2x to consolidate all of these files together at the beginning of the HD

    Those three are the most essential to do first. I'm almost certain Microsoft makes core changes in the operating system and adds many system files while doing so. As such, the rest of the programs don't matter nearly as much to core system stability.

    "The services"
    6. Apache/PHP/MySQL
    7. FTP server (Filezilla)
    8. Anti-virus (Symantc...anything but McAffee)
    9. Ad-aware and/or Spybot S&D
    10. Defrag 2x

    "The essentials"
    11. Alternative browser (Firefox)
    12. Alternative mail (Thunderbird)
    13. Archive program (7-zip)
    14. Chat client (Gaim)
    15. FTP client (Filezilla)
    16. P2P apps (WinMX)
    17. Bit torrent app (Azureus)
    18. Media Player (Winamp 5.x)
    19. CD ripper (CDDA Ripper XP)
    20. Codec Pack (KL codec pack v 2.25f)
    21. Adobe Acrobat Reader
    22. Defrag 2x
    23. Run BootVis.exe a few times to optimize boot time

    That should give you an extremely stable Windows install. After you do this much, I would reccomend finding a way to image this, to make your future installs easier. After this, install all the other programs (games, tools, etc). Then run your virus scanner and adaware and you've got a stable windows machine for at least 4 months.

  372. I actually have a list by Azulus · · Score: 1

    Considering the frequency with which I reinstall, here's my list for Windows (post-driver updates):

    Mozilla Firefox - a must. even if it's not a necessity straight off as a browser, popup blocking makes it worth having immediately.
    Trillian - what friends don't enjoy the logging on and off every 2 minutes as you have to reboot your comp for new settings to take place
    SmartFTP - as a web developer this is a must, can't pretend to work without an FTP client.
    Winamp (5) - I use it for everything media now. I'm an addict.
    WinRAR - I know it's shareware but I still like it's ease of use and modifications to the Windows context menus.
    Nero - my burning software of choice
    ConTEXT - my editor of choice; see SmartFTP
    Google Toolbar - unfortunately, I end up doing a lot of testing in IE and without this, I might as well kiss my peaceful browsing goodbye.
    Spybot Search & Destroy - not so much of a necessity immediately, but the immunization qualities are great to set up from the get-go
    Ad Aware - see Spybot

  373. OS X by Johnny+Mnemonic · · Score: 2, Interesting

    When I install OS X, it immediately gets:Everything else is default, cause why not? Can you beat Apple's own email, web browser, media player? Apple's own PDF viewer is better in some respects than Acrobat Reader.

    Oh, I did forget to give the beast it'd due, although really, the only thing I used Word for is to write up my resume and look at HR stuff.
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  374. Total commander by shopi · · Score: 2, Interesting
    seriously, total commander (aka windows commander). I can't even begin to use a pc now without this. It's infinitely better and faster than the god-awful windows explorer copy-paste interface. Anyway, that counts for 9 programs...

    The last would have to be opera... never got used to the 7.x versions, so I keep using 6, but the new 7.5 is superb... check it out.

  375. My list by wtrmute · · Score: 1

    On Windows

    1. AVG scanner (come on, #1 priority is scanner)
    2. WinRar (to unpack all the other stuff)
    3. Mozilla Fire???? (browser, because IE doesn't cut it)
    4. ACDSee Classic Edition (for viewing graphics slideshows, the only way to fly)
    5. WackGet (queue up downloads in order)
    6. BSPlayer (play MP3/AVI -- gotta have my crack)
    7. MinGW32 (because a box w/o a compiler isn't really a box)
    8. Japanese IME (because cutting/pasting kana/kanji doesn't cut it)
    9. XVI32 (cool binary editor)
    10. Windows games (cause Mother's gotta have her Spider Solitaire crack, too :-P)

    On Linux, it's hard to tell. I usually install a boatload of packets at once, so it's hard to say which 10 go first. I'd say GCC and dependencies, if I had to pick, though.

  376. mine are... by phildog · · Score: 1
    Firefox - the best browser
    Textpad - the anti-IDE I always come back to
    ActiveState Perl - essential.
    Komodo - the Perl IDE I'm learning to love
    Trillian - universal IM client with logging
    SecureCRT - SSH with lots of tunnels to protect POP, HTTP, SMTP, IM conversations from prying work eyes. Unlike putty, saves passwords quickly and easily.
    Cygwin - worst. installer. ever. still, must-have linux/unix tools for windows
    Photoshop - I always end up needing it.
    WinKey - unfuck your Windows key
    Eudora - still my favorite email client.

    and for Linux - postfix, squirrelmail, screen, apache, mysql, squid, php, courier-imap, rsync, cvs - in no particular order

    posted this list at my blog too - First Ten Programs

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  377. My list by MonoSynth · · Score: 1

    On Windows:

    - WinRAR
    - IrfanView
    - Cygwin + rxvt
    - The GIMP
    - PuTTY
    - Vim
    - OpenOffice.org
    - Mozilla FireFox
    - Mozilla Thunderbird
    - Winamp
    - ActivePerl

    And of course updates, drivers, j2sdk, and so on

    I think I forgot some, I'm Linux-only for about half a year now...

    On Linux (Slackware):

    - Dropline GNOME
    - Mozilla Firefox
    - Mozilla Thunderbird
    - Vim
    - OpenOffice.org
    - Eclipse IDE
    - Rar
    - NVidia drivers

  378. Are there even 10? by Feztaa · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Any linux distro comes with so much stuff, I don't think there are even 10 things that I install after I'm done the OS install...

    I'll grab bittorrent (official client), firefox, thunderbird, and I think that's about it.

    1. Re:Are there even 10? by chickenrob · · Score: 1

      yeah you took the words out of my mouth.. I also came up with opera, flash, and j2re.

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    2. Re:Are there even 10? by Feztaa · · Score: 1

      ah, flash and j2re... I try to put off installing those for as long as possible ;)

    3. Re:Are there even 10? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Any linux distro comes with so much stuff,

      Um. Nooooo. At least one of the popular distros (and becoming more popular by the day, for better or worse) is Gentoo and you get sweet shit all with a fresh Gentoo install.

      emerge gkrellm
      emerge firefox
      emerge gaim
      emerge aterm
      emerge openbox

    4. Re:Are there even 10? by GlobalEcho · · Score: 2, Informative

      Can I suggest Tomato Torrent instead? Excellent program. Caveat: the author says it's open source, but the links are broken and appear to be out of date anyhow.

    5. Re:Are there even 10? by Feztaa · · Score: 1

      Wow, looks awesome! Does it come with a G5?

    6. Re:Are there even 10? by Feztaa · · Score: 1

      Sorry, I should have said "any decent linux distro" ;)

  379. My 10 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1) Virex
    2) Log analyzers
    3) iLife
    *
    *
    *
    7) Photoshop Elements
    8) Twain (driver?)
    9) iSync
    10) Backup

  380. Hmm. by rwrife · · Score: 1

    Sounds like you don't use your computer for anything useful.

  381. VNC ! by bay43270 · · Score: 1

    The very first program I install is VNC. I have all my software on one computer on my network. Once VNC in installed, I connect from my laptop and finish setting up the computer from the couch. While programs install on the new computer, I can actually *do* something on the laptop (or just veg in front of the TV).

  382. First 10 Apps by Khan · · Score: 1

    On Gentoo, that would be:
    X
    KDE
    XMMS
    Kvirc
    VMware
    Pan
    Azureus
    Ne verwinter Nights
    Unreal Tournament
    Gxmame

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  383. YAFIYGI by RAMMS+EIN · · Score: 1

    Since /. decided to post this story, I guess they really badly want to know what software I use. So here goes.

    I only use operating systems that will run the bulk of software developed for Linux and/or *BSD. I'm assuming that compiler toolchain (cc, make, ld, etc.), net utils (ping, ftp, etc.), ssh are installed.

    screen (terminal multiplexer)
    netcat (tcp and udp from the command line)
    elvis (lightweight vi clone*)
    Some X11 implementation (usually XFree86)
    WindowMaker (window manager with efficiency)
    Mozilla Firefox (great web browser)
    mutt (fast and versatile mail client)
    Gaim (multi-protocol instant messenger)
    wget (download over http or ftp)

    * I personally think vi is a prime example of horrible interface design, but it proved hard to find a text editor that is similarly efficient and powerful as elvis. I only with they would get rid of the HTML (and Latex?) view mode and just show me the source so I can edit it.

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  384. FreeBSD top ten by puzzled · · Score: 1


    Obviously ...

    screen

    microemacs

    nmap

    netcat

    modify syslogd source to accept random high port source for log entries

    ntop

    OK, that is only six :-) I think everything else is already there.

    --
    I am very easy to get along with, but I don't have time to waste being nice to people who are being stupid. -Theo
  385. Linux zealots are all closet windows users..why? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Because Linux, and X suck the bag.

    How about my first 10 when I install Linux.

    7 year old sound card driver.
    6 year old video driver (doesn't work)
    5 year old video driver (doesn't work)
    4 year thunderlan (not supported unless experimental is good enough)
    3 year old video driver (doesn't work)
    2 year old video driver (doesn't work)
    1 year old video driver (doesn't work)
    1 month old Firewire card driver (not supported)
    6 month old sound card driver (not supported)
    1 month old video driver (not supported)

    Result: uninstall, unless you want to replace your video card with my old ATI VGA Wonder in non-accel mode, as well as revert to using your old machine.

    You guys are all losers, fighting a losing battle. It's pathetic how little things have changed in so many years.

    Y'all should get jobs and stop wating your time writing software that looks identical to favourite Windows apps, and yet only work half as well, and that much, only half the time.

    If Windows sucks and Linux and X are great then why do all Linux/X developers blatantly attempt to copy every feature in the Windows counterpart, just look at all the lame-ass IDe's that are being developed, sharpdevelop etc, all blatant ripoffs of the company and OS that you apparently hate so much ---- why ? Jealous maybe. Oh yeah, X really does suck, KDE is a kludge and Gnome is just plain lame.

    And it will never - ever change.

  386. After Os X install by seven5 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Heres an Os X user's list

    • Transmit
    • SubEthaEdit
    • NetNewsWire Lite
    • Desktop Manager
    • Clipboard Sharing
    • iTerm
    • iKey
    • VLC
    • blank
    • blank

    That was actually hard. So much comes with Os X, that it REALLY is a great Os right out of the box. Anything else at the end of the list is just little apps that really aren't important. Also, i just don't format as much as i used to when i was on Windows, which was a little more conservative than the poster at about every 3 months.

    1. Re:After Os X install by American+AC+in+Paris · · Score: 1
      I'd drop Fugu on that list, as well.

      But yeah, it's hard to think of anything else...

      --

      Obliteracy: Words with explosions

    2. Re:After Os X install by OmniVector · · Score: 2, Interesting

      you should really try out one of the various launcher programs for os x. they are 10 times beter than anything you can find in windows/linux.

      i recommend launchbar (4.0beta) above all. these other two are free, but they have speed/feature/ease of use issues: quicksilver and butler. you should be able to find those all easily on the mac software circuits (versiontracker/macupdate)

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      - tristan
    3. Re:After Os X install by mikeb39 · · Score: 1

      Can't forget Final Cut Pro, LiveTitle, Garageband and all the like for us Mac film geeks!

    4. Re:After Os X install by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which is remarkable, because the first thing you hear anyone complain about with Windows is the sheer amount of software that comes pre-installed whether you like it or not.

      The double standards will never, ever end

    5. Re:After Os X install by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The difference is that Mac OS X's software is actually useful. Plus, the uninstall procedure is very straightforward: if you don't want it, drag it to the trash. Easy. Try doing that on Windows...

    6. Re:After Os X install by seven5 · · Score: 1

      Thats TOTALLY what i forgot. LAUNCHBAR!! I can't live without it. its AMAZING!

  387. Can't remember... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As it has been so long since I last had to reinstall on this /linux/ box. ;P

  388. First Ten for Windows 2K by subjectstorm · · Score: 3, Interesting

    ok, here goes. In no particular order:

    1> Winamp 5
    2> Python
    3> AVG
    4> AdAware
    5> SpyBot S&D
    6> Sygate Personal Firewall
    7> Firefox
    8> Trillian
    9> Pyboticide
    10> Irfanview

    I'm surprised more people haven't mentioned Irfanview - it's free and it kicks ass.

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  389. First ten on linux by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1 - K3b (cd burning)
    2 - Gimp 2.x (image editing)
    3 - KMess (instant messenging)
    4, 5, 6 & 7 - Xine libs + libDvdCss + codecs pack + Kaffeine (Media / DVD player)
    7 - QDvdAuthor (DVD front end creation)
    8 - BitTorrent (as if you didn't know)
    9 - XMame (word processor ;-) )
    10 - Juk (mp3 juke box)

  390. Total commander is forgotten here by fluor2 · · Score: 1

    1. Total Commander. The no1 file-utility www.ghisler.com
    2. WinRAR www.rarsoft.com
    3. Winamp www.winamp.com
    4. TextPad www.textpad.com
    5. Xvid / Divx codecs www.doom9.org
    6. Media Player Classic www.doom9.org
    7. Ventrilo, excellent voice chat program www.ventrilo.com
    8. Steam ( Counter-Strike )
    9. Mozilla Firefox, browsing www.mozilla.com
    10. Mozilla Thunderbird, e-mail www.mozilla.com

  391. mine would be.. by Haydn+Fenton · · Score: 1
    10 external programs? Hum.. personally I only ever use:
    • Notepad
    • FireFox
    • Photoshop
    • PHPDev
    • VB
    • MSN
    • Windows Media Player
    • An ISP I won't mention for fear of my post being deleted and me being exiled from /. and thrown into a firey flame pit for all eternity
    Of course I will use other apps a lot too, just nowhere near as commonly as the above.
  392. My Linux top ten: by Vengeance · · Score: 1

    The first ten dependencies on the long road to installing MythTV. :-)

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  393. Windows 2000 - First Ten Programs to Install by pragma_x · · Score: 1

    1) Service Pack 1
    2) Service Pack 2
    3) Critical Security Update
    4) Critical Security Update
    5) IE Security Update
    6) Service Pack 3
    7) Misc. Windows Driver Update
    ...
    21) Cygwin
    22) Firefox
    23) Profit!

  394. Software on my Linux box... by cr0sh · · Score: 1
    After the essentials (ie, X11 and a Window Manager, of which I typically have KDE set up) - I try to always add Mozilla (I like the tighter integration than the separate apps - both browser and mail are open at the same time anyhow on my box, so it doesn't matter), perl (though this is rapidly becoming "standard" on most installs), cdrx (dead simple perl-based cdrecord interface burning software - though I am giving xcdroast a shot), gimp (gotta have it), gqview (so far, it is the best and simplest image viewing util I have found), j-pilot (though, once again, I am trying out other options), rdesktop (connecting to work), nedit (though kate is pretty cool), xmms (so far it holds on, haven't seen anything that beats it yet and runs stable and fast on my limited hardware).

    I also have a plethora of small homebrew tools (most done in perl) and other apps that I play with - but the above are the main ones I have and use on a very regular basis. They likely won't stay constant (ok, perl likely will - but I am playing on and off with python as well), as I have noted I am seeking/do seek alternatives as time and need allows...

    --
    Reason is the Path to God - Anon
  395. Kerio Personal Firewall by Fencepost · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Is a good choice for this. They changed the rule settings in the current version so you now have to go a little deeper to define access to specific ports for applications, but it's a very nice package.

    My standard configuration has everything allowed to talk locally, Mozilla allowed to connect outward through my local proxy server (Privoxy) but not via 80, Pegasus allowed to connect out on POP3 and SMTP, Popfile allowed out on POP3, SecureCRT on 22, etc. A few applications (Privoxy, Media Player Classic, Sam Spade) are trusted to make any outbound connections they want, but most are defined with only specific ports allowed.

    If I was setting it up for my father or someone I knew was prone to opening possibly-infected email, I'd set it up similarly but have it set to silently block outbound connections from any other applications.

    --
    fencepost
    just a little off
  396. Why reload? Demo/shareware timeouts! by aquarian · · Score: 1

    Why the hell would anyone need to reinstall an entire OS every month? I mean - I know Windows is bad, but come on - its ridiculous.

    That's easy -- to wipe out all the demo/shareware timeouts! I know people who have been using Dreamweaver, Flash, Quark, etc., for YEARS, by simply reloading their OS every two weeks or a month.

  397. Here are my 10 for Windows by golemite · · Score: 1

    1. Mozilla Firefox
    2. Microsoft Office
    3. PuTTy SSH Client
    4. WinRAR (will check out Izarc too)
    5. WinAMP
    6. POPFile, an Email Filter
    7. SmartFTP, gonna FileZilla a try though..
    8. IrfanView, a free picture viewer
    9. NetTransport download manager, also downloads media streams
    10. Windows Media Player 9-- its actually pretty good!

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  398. Repost this yearly please! by dbc001 · · Score: 1

    This should get re-posted about once a year. Nobody has time to track down all these useful programs, it's great to have them all listed, discussed, compared, & critiqued all in one place!

  399. Hm...that would be... by GFLPraxis · · Score: 1

    1) Mozilla FireFox
    2) MSN Messenger Plus! (non Microsoft add on for MSN Messenger that removes the Microsuck ads and gives all kinds of cool features)
    3) Quicktime
    4) Photoshop
    5) DirectX 9
    6) Starfleet Command 3 (what use is Windows for besides the games?)
    7) All my Macromedia Apps like Flash and Dreamweaver MX
    8) All the rest of my games...
    9 & 10) More games



    Gotta love them games!

  400. Top Ten Installs for OS X by danieleran · · Score: 1

    Well you put in the CD and run the installer and then Software Update, and basically get:

    Mail
    Safari
    iTunes
    iMovie
    iChat
    iCal
    iSync
    iPhoto

    I suppose you might want to install the Dev Tools option.

    After that, you install REAL APPS! Imagine that..

    Office X
    iLife 04 = iDVD / GarageBand / iPhoto
    Adobe Creative Suite
    Macromedia MX maybe
    Final Cut Pro / Soundtrack / LiveType

    But of course, if you are reinstalling OS X, you are probably misinformed or rash. I'm using the same install I started with using 10.2, upgraded to 10.3 and updated over the last year and a half. And I just copied the whole thing over from my PowerBook to my new G5, which might not be optimal but it works flawlessly.

    Who has time to install shit and dick around with 3rd party apps to get basic functionality (playing DVDs? Listening to music?)

    Linux is like having a motorcycle from the 60's - you have to put it back together and rebuild it after every few rides. Windows is like a motorcycle from 20's - it burns your ass and tries to kill you at every turn. OS X is like a new motorcycle: you pay attention to the road and scenery and going fast rather than having to worry about bolts falling out the back end and how important they must be.

  401. my debian install by Lobo_Louie · · Score: 0

    1. debian base 2. newest kernel (say 2.6.5.1)
    3. kde 3.2.2
    4. evolution
    5. firefox
    6. gftp
    7. kpackage
    8. pan
    9. mplayer
    10... don't reboot until June (or the next kernel)...
    lol, Windows

  402. firewall this by slithytove · · Score: 1

    A properly configured firewall will protect you from a lot of things, but there are still ways of getting infected that a secure OS would prevent (ie all the IE holes). An email or popup ad can infect you through IE with a firewall in place and without you doing anything dumb (besides using IE or Outlook).
    The same thing could conceivably happen to a linux/firefox user (if a firefox hole were targetted with code that executed on linux), but the malicious code would have to also find a local root exploit to do serious damage. Why? Because Linux/Unix properly seperates user space from everything else.

  403. For a Windows 2000 machine by Ride-My-Rocket · · Score: 1

    1) Nullsoft Winamp
    2) WinZIP
    3) Microsoft Office 2000
    4) Allaire Homesite 4.5.2
    5) Microsoft Visual Sourcesafe 6
    6) Adobe Photoshop
    7) DeadAIM
    8) Adobe Acrobat
    9) Cloudmark SpamNet
    10) FlashFXP

    I'm a programmer, so my normal installs tend to be more coder-oriented. And of course, I patch the hell out of everything once the core sfotware is installed.

  404. FreeBSD 5.x.x by noctrnl9 · · Score: 1
    I no particular order

    10. Mutt
    9. LYNX
    8. cdrtools
    7. anacron
    6. java
    5. Batik (see #6)
    4. Pico
    3. Firefox
    2. Thunderbird
    (some people need to see what their html/mail looks like for someone in console mode!)
    1. MARATHON:ALEPH ONE
    (I loved it on my first Generation PowerMAC [BHA 7100/66] and it is all I need now.)

  405. The "essentials" by LqqkOut · · Score: 1
    I just took a look at my work PC and here's the list of apps that I use most often (In no particular order). There are way more than 10 here, but this list covers 99% of the apps that I commonly use (in Windows). Make any judgements that you'd like (or even suggestions!) would be welcome.

    Networking

    /. login Cookie

    VNC

    Putty

    "Remote Desktops" Term Svcs Client (From Win2003Srvr CD)

    GuildFTPD

    SmartFTP

    Instant Messaging Client (AIM with Aimutation)

    System/File Utilities

    Norton Antivirus

    Spybot

    Nero

    Ultraedit (Possibly replacing with SciTE)

    Acrobat

    Ghostscript

    Other

    Halo :)

    Winamp

    WinDVD

    Realplayer, Quicktime, (Each program is currently configured to turn off as many spyqare/snooping options, probably replacing with Media Player Classic next time)

    Productivity

    OO.o (or MS-Office depending on licenses)

    The GIMP

    --

    -- In Soviet Russia, radio listens to YOU!

  406. Unix? by wobblie · · Score: 1

    This whole concept is pretty alien to linux users, most everything you want is already installed when the OS is.

  407. These are the packages that I would merge - top 10 by neanow · · Score: 1

    These are the packages that I would merge, in order:

    Calculating dependencies ...done!
    [ebuild N ] x11-base/xfree-4.3.0-r5
    [ebuild N ] kde-base/kde-3.2.1
    [ebuild N ] net-www/mozilla-firefox-0.8-r2
    [ebuild N ] net-mail/evolution-1.4.5
    [ebuild N ] net-im/gaim-0.75-r10
    [ebuild N ] media-gfx/gimp-1.2.5
    [ebuild N ] app-cdr/k3b-0.11.9
    [ebuild N ] media-video/mplayer-0.92-r1
    [ebuild N ] app-office/openoffice-1.1.1-r1 [1.1.1]
    [ebuild N ] games-arcade/frozen-bubble-1.0.0-r3

    three days later... woo hoo!

  408. ViM by Experiment+626 · · Score: 1

    Vim would be high on my list whether it's Unix or Windows. It's a good editor all around, and once you're used to the vi key layout, going back to junk like Notepad is downright painful.

    1. Re:ViM by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I use Vim daily on Windoze. But Notepad still is better when I want to print a document. Plus, Vim's word wrap is not the best. Notepad has near-perfect word wrap.

  409. XP & DEBIAN by bezbaq · · Score: 0

    I dual boot XP & Debian. I Install FIREFOX & GAIM on Both Operating systems. On the XP I install: CYGWIN ADAWARE SPYBOT S&D NORTON ANTIVIRUS OFFICE 2003 (Work Requires it) GAIM WINZIP 8 LEECH FTP CISCO VPN CLIENT With Debian I install: PINE Open Office & Evolution KDE 3.2 PAN GIMP WEBMIN

  410. An OS X install by kitzilla · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Top 10 programs I load on OS X machines, no particular order:

    * Drag Thing: A highly addictive replacement for OS X's Dock. Really improves productivity.

    * MS Office: Open Office isn't ready for prime time on OS X. I'm not sure it will ever be ready for professionals who exchange complex documents, though it's great if you have a small shop and use OOo's default file format.

    * Toast 6: The most convenient disk duplication suite I have ever used.

    * Fink: There aren't many Linux programs I *must* have on OS X, but this will get 'em.

    * Photoshop: I have an older iBook with a small drive that gets GIMP instead.

    * Corel Graphics Suite: Gotta have it for layout. Now that Corel has abandoned Mac, however, I'll be moving to Adobe Creative Suite.

    * Thunderbird: I'd probably use Thunderbird fulltime if the Mac version were to be integrated with the OS X addressbook. But it's pleasant to play around with.

    * Mozilla Firefox: Safari is my default, but it's a very young browser. Firefox renders whatever Safari won't.

    * Starry Night: An entertaining and useful program for backyard astronomers. You needn't own a telescope to appreciate SN. Explore the universe from your armchair.

    * Updated iLife suite: I've become addicted to iTunes and use iPhoto to organize my personal snaps.

    --
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    1. Re:An OS X install by rhpenguin · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I just reinstalled OS X recently and this is what i did first.. I dont know why i did it this way but here goes.

      *X-Chat Aqua: Everyone needs IRC.

      *iLife 04': Getting iTunes upgraded is a good thing.

      *Mac Janitor: Keeps my system tidy.

      *aMSN: Dont flame... But its a nice lightweight chat client and my girlfriend uses it too.. (and atleast its not the Microsoft client...)

      *Remote Desktop Connection: This is a way better solution than VPC... Just get a cheap x86 machine and slap windows xp on it and remote access it! Very handy for doing those windows tasks that need to be done. Also handy for fixing parents computer from across the counrty.

      *Fink: as mentioned above.

      *VLC: Simple media player.. good alternitive to WMP on the mac.

      *Firefox: Safari is cool, but as said above, its a young pup yet.

      *BitTorrent: Excelent P2P software

      *Stuff-it Deluxe: A no brainer archiving tool. its good stuff

      I guess thats the first 10 things i installed. Theres more.. but thats just the first 10.

  411. My Gentoo Server & Desktop by borgasm · · Score: 1

    Server:

    iptables
    sshd
    emacs
    mysql
    apache
    php/perl
    fluxbox

    Desktop:

    iptables
    emacs
    KDE
    GAIM
    Mozilla
    sshd
    OpenO ffice

  412. the ten first that I f*** up my computer with by isecore_JMK · · Score: 1

    Windows XP is the designated OS for my Workstation. So, not including the billion or so security patches that has to be installed, this is the list that I install the first (in order of installation):

    1. Norton Internet Security Professional
    2. Norton Antivirus
    3. PuTTY
    4. Miranda
    5. Winamp
    6. FireFox
    7. Media Player Classic
    8. PowerArchiver
    9. Nero Burning Rom
    19. oDC

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  413. First 10 for a Fedora install by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1. zsh - the best shell out there
    2. joe - easier to use than vi, and less bloated than emacs
    3. postfix - why oh why does fedora still default to sendmail

    ... hmm, that's pretty much it - the rest of the stuff i have already picked in the install process

  414. My choices for Unix / WIndows desktops by ninjaz · · Score: 1
    Unix:

    1. Firefox
    2. The Adblock extension for Mozilla/Firefox
    3. mplayer
    4. Flash and Java plugins for the browers

    Windows:

    1. Putty
    2. Firefox
    3. Mozilla
    4. The Adblock extension for Mozilla/Firefox
    5. Spybot S&D
    6. Flash/Java/Acroread plugins for the browsers
    7. WinSCP
    8. Cygwin (including XFree86 and Windowmaker)
    9. OpenOffice

    The only Windows I use is Windows XP Professional as a unix admin in a corporation, so some items may be notably absent. My entire Windows list is software that can be used royalty-free for commercial use )with an obvious emphasis on Free Software).

    For example, I use XFree86 shipped with Cygwin for my X server, WinSCP for secure file transfer, Spybot S&D (and not AdAware, which is another excellent product, but would require a licensing fee be paid).

    I don't use Winzip at all, since that functionality is built into the explorer interface in Windows XP Professional (don't know about the others), and is also available through Cygwin.

    On the occasion I'm visiting a friend who runs Windows on a personal desktop, I also recommend Zinf, the audio player, since it's free software and just plays the music without any corporate spyware tie-ins, eg., contacting a server based on mp3 header fields as WMP and Winamp have started doing.

  415. Why? by Stween · · Score: 1

    Off topic, I know, but why on Earth would anybody regularly reinstall their OS of choice once a month?

  416. why 10? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    3 is more than enough:
    VIM,PERL and SSH (to connect to *nix boxes)
    in order to run some real work....

  417. My installs... by alta · · Score: 1

    Putty Winamp Office Dreamweaver Photoshop SQLYog Nero DC++ Acrobat (ugh) Some Virus Scanner

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    Do not meddle in the affairs of sysadmins, for they are subtle, and quick to anger.
  418. Reinstall by rjdohnert · · Score: 1

    I havent had to reinstall Windows XP Pro since the day I installed it back in 1992. Here is my top ten list. 1. .NET FrameWork SDK 2. Borland C# Builder 3. Windows Services for UNIX 4. GAIM 5. GIMP 6. OpenOffice.org 7. MingW 8. Stuffit 9. A firewall 10. Avast AntiVirus System

    1. Re:Reinstall by rjdohnert · · Score: 1

      Excuse me I meant 2002.

    2. Re:Reinstall by Junta · · Score: 1

      That must have been *some* early beta there...

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  419. my windoze top 11 by circletimessquare · · Score: 1
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  420. My 10 by ManoMarks · · Score: 1

    This is for my primary use computer, rather than my secondary gaming computers: 1) UT2004 2) Half-Life + (Currently only The Specialts) 3) MS Office (get over it) 4) WinZip 5) Kohan: Ahriman's Gift 6) Warcraft III 7) UT/TacOps 8) Real Player 9) Patches, Patches, Patches 10) Mechwarrior Black Knight

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    That's gotta fit into your schema somewhere

  421. First 10 (free) programs I install by EdMcMan · · Score: 1

    1.Firefox 2.Winrar 3.Avast (anti virus scanner) 4.Open office 5.CDex 6.Winamp 7.Winscp 8.Mindterm 9.AIM 10.Spybot S&D

  422. Fun! by Omestes · · Score: 1

    WinRar
    Firefox
    WinAmp (actually iTunes now)
    Openoffice.com
    TweakXP
    Cacheman
    Spybot
    a registry cleaner
    and finally some game

    I had them all backed up and compressed on some backwoods compressed partition on my second HD, alonng will all my documents, patches, and other install as needed progies. The main step is UNINSTALLING all of XPs crap, meaning many trips to safe mode.

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    A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government. -edward abbey
  423. The lists aren't that different by Augie+De+Blieck+Jr. · · Score: 1

    By the time I moved from Windows to Linux full time last December, I had created a system that used mostly all the same programs. The first ones to be installed right away, thus, would be:

    1. Open Office
    2. Firefox
    3. Thunderbird

    Everything after that is gravy.

    On my Linux box today, I imagine the list would further include

    4. Unreal Tournament 2004.
    5. Audigy (audio editor I use to put together a radio newscast I do every week)
    6. Crossover Office/Plugin, mostly for the QuickTime plug-in for the web browser, though. I need my Apple Quicktime movie trailer site.

    When SUSE 9.1 comes out, I'll be upgrading and rearranging my entire system, installing a new larger hard drive, and formatting over the Windows hard drive completely. So this is what, in my mind, would constitute a dry run. Everything after it would just be gravy.

    -Augie

  424. my first 10 by rabbot · · Score: 1

    winrar
    mirc
    firefox
    thunderbird
    gaim
    winamp
    visual c++
    quake 3
    openoffice.org
    filezilla

  425. Windoz by butane_bob2003 · · Score: 1

    I'll get over it, and maybe forgive the author for using Windows. I've been using RedHat 9 on 2 machines, RedHat 7.3 on a few others, and OS X on 3 machines. One Linux box (at work) has been up for more than 9 months. The other (home dev box) has been up for maybe 4 months. The OS X machines have been running/upgraded without re-install since Jaguar became available. I have no stability problems with any of them, and I don't ever feel the need to re-install monthly. I don't really understand this impulse, maybe stability issues are forcing the author to re-install all the time? Seriously, if I had to wipe my hard drives and start over every month, I'd never have time to do anything.

    OS X:
    (Mostly audio stuff)
    Logic Audio Platinum (DAW)
    NI Battery (drum synth)
    NI FM7 (FM synth)
    ReFX Slayer (Elec.Guitar synth!)
    VST-AU Adapter (AU wrapper for VST plug-ins)
    A few other soft synths
    Pro-tools
    MacMAME (arcade game emulator)
    Mozilla (safari still sux)

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  426. My first ten by medeii · · Score: 1
    1. Moz, the latest stable version (or the beta, if it's got something I want in particular.)
    2. Windows Services for Unix
    3. Ports of the GNU Utilities (grep, wget, etc.)
    4. PuTTy
    5. Trillian
    6. iTunes
    7. NoteTab Light
    8. PowerMenu
    9. Media Player Classic
    10. JASC Paint Shop Pro

    Those keep me sane -- I still remember all of my windows commands for when I have to work on someone else's box, but it's so much more familiar to use ls and rm than dir and del now.

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  427. uh, ok... by h311sp0n7 · · Score: 1

    Linux, Mozilla, ethereal, etc...and of course the almighty rsync!!!

  428. First Ten Installs by karlandtanya · · Score: 1

    NAV

    RSLinx

    RSL5K

    RSNetWorx

    RSLogix5

    RSLogix500

    PanelBuilder

    ControlFlash

    MSOffice

    Opera

    --
    "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, it doesn't go away." - Philip K. Dick
  429. Windows Top 10 by GeekDork · · Score: 1
    1. Kerio
    2. Windows updates (I'll treat this as one item, or else this'd be a Top 5k or so...)
    3. Firefox
    4. Miranda
    5. 7Zip (although I'm rethinking this one after having seen the buglist on sf.net)
    6. Some bootmanager to get back at the Linux installation
    7. Daemon Tools
    8. Alcohol 120%
    9. OpenOffice.org
    10. Neverwinter Nights

    I guess it's obvious that I'm using Windows primarily for gaming.

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  430. my list goes to eleven by dutky · · Score: 1
    it's not completely exhaustive, but I can get by once I have the following
    1. pico for quick editing before I've got X up and running.
    2. NEdit the best programmers' text editor ever!
    3. fvwm2 a good, fast, customizable window manager (I suffer through twm until this is in place)
    4. ddd a simply wonderful front-end to gdb.
    5. mozilla my browser of choice, warts and all (though konquerer is giving me second thoughts)
    6. xscreensaver nothing makes me happier than xmatrix.
    7. xpdf simple PDF viewer, no frills.
    8. ROX-filer a fast and simple file system browser (though I've been leaning towards konquerer for about a year)
    9. unclutter makes the mouse cursor disappear after several second of inactivity.
    10. xv in case I need to fiddle with image files.
    11. xine in case I need to watch a movie.

    On top of this I have a set of configuration files archived for several of the above programs (i.e. fvwm2 and NEdit) and general system setup (fstab, XFree86, and bash/sh profile).

  431. Why do you reformat so often? by shodson · · Score: 1

    ...if you're anything like me your machine is formatted at least once a month.

    What's wrong with you? Why do you reformat your hard drive so often? Why not just try a defrag and a chkdsk every now and then instead? Man, you sure wast a lot of time managing your hard drive!

  432. You must mean my top ten patches... by Vexler · · Score: 1

    Here they are: Q299444 Q304158 Q305929 Q312895 Q313829 Q318138 Q320206 Q323172 Q326830 Q328310 And I won't even *THINK* about Q329115 until *AFTER* all ten are in and locked down.

  433. Reformat? by dpm · · Score: 1

    What's that? Oh, yeah -- it's something I do when I buy a new computer.

  434. Harmful effects of formatting by earthstar · · Score: 0

    Though i do not format like that guy once evry month , i do it twice in a tear (Win98). Does repeated formatting and OS installation cause damage to hard disk?

  435. Unix console user's list by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In no particular order:

    vim
    lynx-ssl
    surfraw (very, very cool!)
    screen
    ncftp
    slrn
    mutt
    abook (address book, works with mutt)
    aumix
    mp3blaster (plays mp3 & ogg)

    But in actuality I'll install a whole shitload more console tools. At least 50 or so packages that aren't installed by default in Debian. Stuff like mikmod, timidity, bitchx, hdparm, mc, netcat, tcpdump, wget, zgv, fbi (framebuffer image viewer), mplayer, all kinds of compression/archive tools, all kinds of Perl modules, a few games (notably Rogue and Doom), a whole bunch of local packages (stuff I grabbed from freshmeat and packaged myself), and lastly a minimal X11 setup and a small number of GUI programs (blackbox, rxvt, acroread, vnc, rdesktop, vmware).

    I prefer to do all my stuff in console whenever possible, in a 75 Hz refresh, 1024x768 framebuffer. Never really liked the GUI thing (except on my Amiga, but that was ages ago).

  436. Once a month? WTH! by danbeck · · Score: 1

    Who cares what you install first, why the hell do you reformat your machine once a month? Does the spyware you install and the hourly virus infections get so bad that re-installing is your only choice?

  437. Re:Maybe it's in the counting? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yeah, when counting 1 through 9 doesn't get you to 10, try 0 - 8... you'll get there eventually.

  438. Comments + Links! by Famatra · · Score: 4, Informative
    Some links to your great suggestions, and some comments at the end :)

    • Putty - A free (GPL) SSH terminal emulator
    • Winzip - Yeah, you know what this is
    • VLC - Free media player
    • OpenOffice.org - I should stop doing these descriptions, its not as if youve heard of these things before!
    • GIMP for windows - Yup, the infernal/eternal image editor
    • Sharpdevelop - Free (GPL) .net IDE, requires the .net framework and SDK
    • Bloodshed Dev-C++ - Excellent free (GPL) C and C++ IDE, using the Windows GCC port
    • Thunderbird - Mail client
    • Firefox - Web browser
    • Adobe Acrobat Reader - PDF Reader
    • PDFcreator - GPL PDF print driver for windows
    • MessengerPro (Clickatell) - Non free SMS sender for windows, company does good bulk buy sms rates, i buy 500 at a time for less than $5
    • Lavasoft Adaware and Spybot SS - For the essentials in life
    • Topstyle - Free version of the excellent CSS editor for webdevelopment, if anyone knows a good free alternative, im open to suggestions :)
    • SmartFTP - Great free for personal use FTP client, not found a better one yet! (I have, Filezilla it is excellent AND fully GPL, none of this non free shit, bub. :-) )
    • MySQL-Front - Old version of the MySQL windows front end, much much better than the new one you pay for. Source isnt open and the old developer discontinued development, possibly one of the best advertisements for why OSS is good :(
    • Editplus - Possibly the best editor ive found, not free im afraid, costs around $25

    VLC -, like you mentioned, Free media player is a great media player, it blew me away. Better then Window's media player, and I know that my porno viewing habits are not going straight to Bill Gates.

    One you didn't mention is Filezilla which is a good GPL ftp program instead of SmartFTP if you want to try another one out. (I must confess I use LeechFTP since I haven't gotten use to Filezilla just yet, although if you are into hosting files Filezilla is even better).

    1. Re:Comments + Links! by attaboy · · Score: 1

      Amen to the comments on EditPlus! Great damn program for the money.

      I have more than 10 in my "start from scratch" install, so here goes:

      I'm going to have to check out FileZilla... I've used CuteFTP, LeechFTP, and some others... I've never found one I'm completely happy with. PDF Creator and SpyBot SS look like good programs to have too... thx for the links!

      Cygwin usually goes on a machine after a while, but it's an "install as needed" item. I've decided to use RealAlternative instead of installing RealPlayer for the rare occasions I need to view a RAM stream.

      --
      The facts have a liberal bias. --The Daily Show
  439. 10 Programs by dwakeman · · Score: 0

    Windows XP (not counting service packs):
    1. Norton AntiVirus
    2. ActiveState Perl
    3. WinRAR
    4. Download Accelerator
    5. Winamp
    6. Outlook 2003
    7. Photoshop
    8. MySQL-Front
    9. GVim
    10. Xchat

    Linux
    1. Xchat
    2. Evolution
    3. SETI@Home
    4. Mozilla
    5. XMMS
    6. Perl
    7. Flash
    8. vim
    9. Gimp
    10. mysql-client

  440. VMware or Virtual PC by eltoyoboyo · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Sounds like you are a candidate for VMWare workstation or Microsoft Virtual PC. Maybe you could save yourself a reload or twelve by saving your disk image.

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  441. Phbbt. Just use Knoppix ... period. by gosand · · Score: 1
    Do yourself a favor: next clean install, apply XP-SP1, then Clean=(Delete LocalSettings\Temp, Windows\Temp, Defrag) & boot Knoppix and backup your partition with Partimage (to a network location mounted with NFS), if needed.

    Better yet, if you need to reinstall every month, just use Knoppix. Sheesh. Every month?

    I can see doing it for fun, trying out different distros and whatnot, but my main machine is Redhat 7.3 w/some updates. My main Windows machine is Win98, which only gets booted up to burn a DVD or to play a game. I have a few other machines that I do some distro experimentation on.

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    My beliefs do not require that you agree with them.

  442. system administration? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Some people replace system administration with system formatting. Given the ass backwards nature of these people, I doubt the OS they're using really makes much of a difference in the situation. It just so happens that Windows probably appeals to them more for whatever reasons. In any case, after getting this p4 I decided to switch back to Windows (I had been using slackware and subsequently redhat on my previous boxes). Windows 2000 Professional gives me uptimes limited by my power company's reliability, so the grandparent's post about monthly system wipes can't possibly get pinned on Windows. I have no firewall, no anti-virus. I sit behind a NAT and don't open email attachments that I'm not expecting. And I get by for months at a time. At full load (f@h). Playing DirectX games. Running apache httpd. So if you want to make fun of Windows, find some legitimate reasons. Windows works -fine- for me; if it craps out on you, you're a retard.

    1. Re:system administration? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Windows 2000 Professional gives me uptimes limited by my power company's reliability

      Move to Texas. Seriously. We don't have power utility problems. Energy is our middle name. Ever wonder why all the gas and electricity companies are based here? It's almost 100% uptime for our power grid, except for the 2 or 3 times a year that a storm knocks out the lights.

  443. ... Installing ... 97% complete by MetallicBurgundy · · Score: 1
    FireFox
    Thunderbird
    TightVNC
    iTunes
    Java Runtime
    OpenOffice
    Cygwin
    WinGIMP
    Acrobat
    The Ur-Quan Masters

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    MetallicBurgundy
  444. My list by Bluelive · · Score: 2, Informative

    - putty: ssh client - Cygwin: linux emulation - Avant Browser: tabbed ie browser - Norton Utilities - Norton Antivirus - Vitrite: transparany/allways ontop tool - Tray it: minimise to taskbar - Feedreader: rss feed reader - Deamon tools: virtual cd drive - TightVNC - Jcreator - Jdk - wincvs - winamp - mirc - vlc and graphedt - Firefox

  445. I can't do wothout by Lucky+Kevin · · Score: 1

    Cygwin on my Windows boxen.

    --
    Kevin
    "It's not the cough that carries you off, it's the coffin they carry you off in" O. Nash
  446. Digital Music artist by merlin_jim · · Score: 2, Informative
    So my list might be different from most:

    1. Creative App Center (if you have a SB Live! Platinum, this is required for the extra stuff to work)
    2. Sound Forge
    3. Mixman Technologies Suite
    4. ProTools
    5. Yahoo! Messenger
    6. FTP daemon of the week (currently using guildFTP)
    7. no-IP DUC (one of these days I'll configure my firewall to do it for me... I swear...)
    8. J2EE SDK
    9. Visual Studio
    10. Kazaa Lite

    --
    I am disrespectful to dirt! Can you see that I am serious?!
    1. Re:Digital Music artist by bencvt · · Score: 1
      Have you used Virtual DJ before? If so, what do you think of it? Worth the $200?

      I'm thinking of buying it for my brother's (an aspiring DJ) birthday. There is a downloadable demo, but I'm no DJ, and my 5 year old computer is not quite up to snuff. So I'm looking for some second opinions.

    2. Re:Digital Music artist by merlin_jim · · Score: 1

      Well there are a lot of different types of DJs.

      For instance, I'm a music producer that sometimes fills in at an Internet Radio station. My needs mostly center around beat and music creation. For that purpose, the DM2 and its accompanying postproduction suite, Mixman Studio Pro, are pretty good. Throw in there ZeroX's TrackCreator and a good MIDI synth program like ProTools or Creative Keytar and I've got everything I need to do live music mixing and remixing.

      Now how much your brother might like Virtual DJ depends on what he wants to do with himself... Virtual DJ is good for aspiring radio jockeys, but not really good for anything else. And there's software like it in dyne:Bolic for free (though I highly recommend the suggested $10 donation)... as well as video djing, video, audio, 2D, and 3D editing suites, internet broadcast software, and a smattering of other free as in beer tools... and there's no install.

      If I had to recommend an approach to help a budding DJ, get him the DM2 and see how he likes it before you invest in the rest of the tools (though if he does like it, the Mixman Studio Pro is a very nice complement) Go ahead and download/burn dyne:Bolic at the same time, so if he does get some

      The TrackCreator will come in handy when your brother decides that the precanned beats in the DM2 aren't enough and wants to add more samples to it. At this point you might also consider a few samples libraries... either from mixman, already formatted for the DM2, or from a 3rd party requiring conversion through TrackCreator.

      Also keep in mind that the Industry feeds off of biomass, and the only way to get biomass is to get some exposure; the best way to get exposure is collabing with other independent artists. When he's ready, tell your brother to drop me an e-mail and I'll hook him up with whoever I can. :)

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      I am disrespectful to dirt! Can you see that I am serious?!
  447. My 10 by Breakerofthings · · Score: 1

    (assuming I already have a bootloader, kernel, and init, etc. ...) bash links (with graphics) ncftp openssh nmap perl mutt tcpdump vim sudo oh, and gcc, if by some chance It isn't already there. That's really all one needs, isn't it? :)

  448. MOD PARENT UP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    WTF is this flamebait shit? Mod parent UP.

    IZArc is only free to distribute (for now), you can't modify it AT ALL.

    FREE as in BEER != FREE as in FREEDOM.

    1. Re:MOD PARENT UP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i feel like a total ass (thus posting as AC) but someone explain what exactly is meant by free as in beer versus, free as in freedom, and all the other free as in ... that people reference

    2. Re:MOD PARENT UP by Famatra · · Score: 1

      "I feel like a total ass (thus posting as AC) but someone explain what exactly is meant by free as in beer versus, free as in freedom, and all the other free as in ... that people reference

      Don't worry, lots of ppl dont know and they don't bother to make the distinction which is very important, at least to me. I dont care if something is free or not, I want to make sure that people can edit and look at the code (to make sure there are no virus in it etc.).

      Free beer = free samples (i.e. $0.00) = gratis

      Freedom = freedom to modify and use the code = libre

  449. agreed by real_smiff · · Score: 1
    i reinstall when the primary hard drive dies, no sooner no later. you're lucky your drive has lasted 4 years*. I could figure out how to use Ghost, but that would be too clever (and probably not worth it for me).

    *time to backup maybe, methinks you due for a failure ;)

    --

    This is my Sig, this is my Gun. One is for Slashdot and one is for Fun.

  450. Re:On windows? Here's the whole interoperability k by forevermore · · Score: 1
    JEdit's also nice, but way too slow for casual use

    Funny, once I moved beyond a 500Mhz p2, I found it to be just as fast as any other graphical editor I've used. And on that note, jEdit is in my top 3 programs, right next to mozilla and putty in windows, and galeon and *-mp3 in linux (I'd have more in linux, but fedora seems to install everything I'd want except for mp3 support)

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    Do you really need reason for beer? Wingman Brewers
  451. Do you ever get that far? by JayJay.br · · Score: 3, Funny

    I remember myself on Win98:

    1) Windows
    2) ICQ
    3) M$Office
    4) *crash*
    5) *Reboot*
    6) *Hell breaks loose*
    7) Windows
    8) ICQ...

  452. For any Debian server by fsck! · · Score: 1
    1. joe, still my editor of choice
    2. less
    3. iproute
    4. ssh
    5. nmap
    6. ntpd
    7. mutt
    8. postfix
    9. dovecot
    10. orphaner
    1. Re:For any Debian server by smcv · · Score: 1

      I nearly agree:

      - a decent editor to supplement whatever's in the base system these days (used to be joe, but if I reinstalled now I'd pick Vim)
      - sudo
      - aptitude (dselect is useful, but unpleasant)
      - less, if it's not already there
      - ssh (both client and server)
      - links and/or lynx for documentation
      - CVS (I keep meaning to switch my config-file repositories to something better though - I've tried Subversion and GNU Arch, and I intend to try out Darcs next)
      - Mutt

      and if this machine needs a GUI:

      - XFree86
      - xterm (specifically uxterm, my systems all run in UTF-8)
      - KDE 3, or XFCE 4 if KDE's too big to be usable, or (Open|Flux|Black)box if I'm getting desparate
      - Firefox

      (OK, so my list is 10 +/- 2 entries :-)

  453. On an XP Box? by kalidasa · · Score: 1

    0. Turn on firewall 1. Windows Updates 2. Norton 3. QuickTime 4. Adobe 5. Cygwin for ssh, lynx, etc. 6. Mozilla 7. Office (OO isn't there yet for my needs) 8. a Win Emacs distrib (yes, I know it's overkill) 9. Perl 10. Roxio 11. iTunes

  454. My top 10 by shamino0 · · Score: 1
    First off, I have never had to reinstall my system software on any of my computers, so it's a moot question. But I did recently build a new PC, so here's what I installed first (not counting device drivers and Windows updates - that's part of the OS, not application code.)

    • Virus scanner (I use McAfee)
    • MS Word
    • MS Excel
    • MS PowerPoint
    • iTunes
    • AOL Instant Messenger (and then I uninstall the WildTangent and Viewpoint plugins that they so helpfully install without even telling me.)
    • Mozilla
    • Stuffit Expander (I prefer it to WinZip)
    • Emacs
    • Adobe Acrobat Reader

    No firewall software. My router does a good enough job, so I don't bog down Windows with redundant functionality.

    Here's what the list would be for my Mac, if I had to reinstall the system (Mac OS X "Panther"). Again, I'm leaving out device drivers and system software updates:

    • AppleWorks
    • FileMaker Pro
    • Toast
    • iTunes
    • iPhoto
    • Mozilla
    • AOL Instant Messenger
    • Emacs
    • Apple's Developer Tools
    • Palm Desktop and related utilities

    Finally, my Linux boxes. This is a bit weird, because most of the apps I use come with my distribution, so many of these are effectively preloaded. But I'll see what I can come up with, leaving out stuff that clearly belongs in the category of "system software".

    • Mozilla (downloaded - the ones that come with distributions are usually out of date.)
    • Development tools (gcc and related packages) (bundled with the distribution)
    • Emacs (bundled with the distribution)
    • cdrecord and related packages (bundled with the distribution)
    • Sun Java VM
    • Adobe Acrobat Reader
    • TiK (my favorite UNIX-based AIM-client)
    • mikmod (am I the only one left who still listens to MOD files?) (bundled with the distribution)
    • OpenOffice
    • xv (bundled with the distribution)
    It really says something about Linux that of my 10 must-have apps, 5 of them come bundled with my distribution and probably come bundled with everybody else's as well. This is one of the few systems where I can be productive using nothing but software that's available as free downloads.
  455. for freebsd by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    emacs, bash, a custom kernel, python, wget, kde, apache, mod_python, gimp

  456. My First 10... by Eggplant62 · · Score: 1

    On Windows boxen:

    Symantec Norton Antivirus
    Spybot Search & Destroy
    Adaware
    Spywareblaster
    Mozilla Firefox
    Mozilla Thunderbird
    Sun J2RE
    OpenOffice.org
    Winamp
    Anachron

    and then...

    Mandrake in a separate partition.

    No one gets a box from me without Linux installed on it.

  457. Auto-Install DVD of Windows XP Pro by Kevin98003 · · Score: 5, Informative

    I just finished creating an automatic install DVD of Windows XP Pro. On this DVD it installs Windows XP Pro, installs my programs silently, and automatically installs all patches and hotfixes. This saves me a bunch of times from doing this the manual way. Right before I wipe Windows and reinstall, I move all my important data to my second hard drive.

    For more information please visit the MSFN Unattended XP CD at http://unattended.msfn.org/index.htm.

    In keeping with the direction of the first post, here is my list of my first 10 installed programs...

    1. Hotfixes and security updates galore!
    2. .NET Framework
    3. Windows Media Player 9
    4. DirectX 9.0b
    5. Office XP with Service Pack 3
    6. TweakUI
    7. Winamp 5.0.3a (no video codecs)
    8. K-Lite Mega Codec Pack
    9. WinRAR 3.30
    10. ETrust Antivirus 6.0

    I have a bunch of other installed programs on the DVD, but I thought I would share only a couple. ;)

    Cheers!

  458. Can you guess what I do for a living? by ebrandsberg · · Score: 1

    In no particular order

    1. Mozilla
    2. Live http headers (livehttpheaders.mozdev.org)
    3. Prefbar (prefbar.mozdev.org)
    4. Ethereal
    5. Putty
    6. WinSCP
    7. WinMTR
    8. CygWin
    9. WinZip
    10. some internal tools...

    1. Re:Can you guess what I do for a living? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Pr0n star?

  459. Drivers anyone? by TubeSteak · · Score: 1

    If I could only slipsteam directx9, an ASPI layer, my more recent nvidia/ati drivers, VIA 4in1's, Windows Media Codecs... Those are usually my first 5 installs and my first 4 reboots. I run win2k and still haven't installed any service packs. I got 1 IRC virus (somehow) through my old IRC client, other than that, i just install most of the critical updates and i've been secure. No firewall, just some tweaked services.

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    [Fuck Beta]
    o0t!
    1. Re:Drivers anyone? by a20vertigo · · Score: 1

      Check out the MSFN unattended CD guide - it's not exactly "slipstreamed" per se, but it's pretty well automated. It takes a good bit of work to get it set up, though... so unless you're like me (and reinstall three times a second) the effort seems sort-of wasted.

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      No matter where you go, there you are; even before you arrive.
    2. Re:Drivers anyone? by ncc74656 · · Score: 1
      If I could only slipsteam directx9, an ASPI layer, my more recent nvidia/ati drivers, VIA 4in1's, Windows Media Codecs...

      I can't speak for the other stuff, but I added DirectX 8.1 and IE 6 to a Win2K install CD a while back. They can't be slipstreamed as such, but you can create some post-install scripts that will install them for you. For DirectX, I ended up building a runtime installer (the DirectX SDK has info on this) that doesn't insist on rebooting the system when it's done...instead, it sets the errorlevel to something non-zero if a reboot is needed.

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      20 January 2017: the End of an Error.
    3. Re:Drivers anyone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      > I run win2k and still haven't installed any service packs

      They don't make critical updates for W2K gold anymore. Hopefully you've disabled SMB, RPC, IIS, etc.

    4. Re:Drivers anyone? by cat5 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Have a look at Autopatcher Includes LOTS of addtions/tweaks/hotfixes.
      No need to download everything.. it's already there.
      With an XP slipstreamed CD, and Autpatcher burnt to a CD... it saves installing a lot, including Codecs.

  460. THREAD CLOSED by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0



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  461. My top ten (on Win2k) by MCZapf · · Score: 1
    1. Mozilla
    2. PuTTY
    3. IrfanView
    4. UnxUtils
    5. NoteTab Light
    6. AIM
    7. WinAmp
    8. PowerArchiver (Shareware)
    9. XManager (Shareware)
    10. Adobe Universal Postscript Driver, AFPL Ghostscript and Ghostview

    I left out commercial software, but none of it would have made the top ten anyway. Many of the standalone freeware programs don't even need to be installed; I just copy over my standard "Apps" directory.

  462. my macos x list by mr_burns · · Score: 1

    1. Firefox (or whatever it's called that month)
    2. GnuPG
    3. Fire
    4. Fugu
    5. wget
    6. BBEdit
    7. Adobe apps
    8. MPlayerOSX
    9. BitTorrent
    10. Beholder

    --
    "Let him go, Ralph. He knows what he's doing." --Otto Mann (simpsons)
  463. First 10 on a unix box (Solaris/Linux mainly) by GoNINzo · · Score: 1
    Here are my first ten on my unix workstation:

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    Gonzo Granzeau
    "Nothing the god of biomechanics wouldn't let you into heaven for.." -Roy Batty
    1. Re:First 10 on a unix box (Solaris/Linux mainly) by GoNINzo · · Score: 1

      And of course, I forgot a few, like screen (must have), lynx/firefox (so I have some sort of web browsing), and maybe wget. heh damnit. Too many sub utilities! heh

      --
      Gonzo Granzeau
      "Nothing the god of biomechanics wouldn't let you into heaven for.." -Roy Batty
  464. Easy.... by NerveGas · · Score: 1


    1. PuTTY.
    2. Civilization 2
    3. WarCraft III
    4. Too busy playing Civ or WC3.

    steve

    --
    Oh, you're not stuck, you're just unable to let go of the onion rings.
  465. Here by ktulu1115 · · Score: 1

    Windows (on a Dell Inspiron 5150):

    0. OS/Driver Updates (I don't count these)
    1. Firefox
    2. SSH Secure Shell
    3. EditPlus
    4. Cygwin/NASM
    5. Bochs
    6. Gaim
    7. NetStumbler
    8. Kazaa K-Lite K++
    9. Gimp
    10. WinAMP (w/Milkdrop of course)

    If it was a desktop I'd install UT2004 as well.

    Linux (desktop):

    1. NVIDIA drivers
    2. Firefox
    3. Synaptic
    4. Bochs/BFE
    5. Azureus
    6. UT2004 (gotta love this :)
    7. Pine (yes, I know I've heard it all before)
    8. gIFT
    9. gkrellm
    10. iptraf

    --
    # fuser -v /dev/attention | grep work
    #
  466. Solaris 9 by onlyOOD · · Score: 1

    Unfortunately, Solaris comes in a pretty much unusable state. First few programs are: gzip gnu tar gcc make tcp wrappers prngd openSSL openSSH

    1. Re:Solaris 9 by caesar79 · · Score: 1

      Try downloading the software_companion cd - has all those compiled and ready to install in both pkgadd format - and with a webstart installer - u dont even need to burn a cd - just use lofiadm Also check http://www.sunfreeware.com

  467. Never used antivirus software on windows by poptones · · Score: 1
    And the only time I ever got a virus was when I stupidly ran an install with my computer connected to the network. Simple fix: unplug cable and reinstall again.

    First thing I install is winrar just because I have it and it works. Then Imad's PGP 6.58ckt7 and zone alarm.

    The rest doesn't need install. I just drag shortcuts to mozilla, proxomitron, winamp and the rest to my desktop and click.

    If you don't use IE or outlook and run proxomitron behind mozilla, there's not many ways bad stuff can find you behind a decent firewall.

  468. and no mention of... by sammy+baby · · Score: 1

    "Trillian, Winrar, Firefox, Winamp, SmartFTP, Azureus, NMap, GKrellM, PowerDVD."

    I'm somewhat alarmed by the fact that no anti-virus software was mentioned anywhere in that list. Or personal firewall software, for that matter (although the firewall in XP is probably sufficient. Assuming you remembered to turn it on.)

    1. Re:and no mention of... by reddigitaldragon · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I forgot those. I use www.avast.com and hardware firewall along with XP firewall.

  469. As a relatively recent switcher by AssFace · · Score: 1

    I used to be a Windows person - and I still am (as one of my job hats) a Windows network admin.

    But now I am addicted to my Powerbook and OS X, so the thought of Windows or yet another damn install makes my stomach churn (I have done far too many this year alone... hell, just on a few horribly misused servers that were here prior to my arrival).

    But were I to list the must-haves of the OS X world for me (too lazy to put in any order of desire/importance):

    1) Quicksilver - MUST have
    2) Synergy
    3) Fugu
    4) SubEthaEdit
    5) Audioscrobbler
    6) FireFox (I use Safari as my main browser, but for website testing, FireFox is key for me)
    7) Photoshop
    8) NetNewsWire
    9) MenuMeters
    10) Tomato Torrent since the binary for the "original" BitTorrent no longer works on my machine.

    I would like to also say Eclipse, but it occasionally (frequently) doesn't work on OS upgrades, so I am trying to wean myself off of it.

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    There are some odd things afoot now, in the Villa Straylight.
  470. First 10 on WinXXXX by Niet3sche · · Score: 1
    (I actually like/use Windows 2000, just for Office pretty much):

    1] PuTTY

    2] WinSCP

    3] McAffee VirusScan Enterprise

    4] Moz Firefox

    5] WinAMP

    6] WinZIP

    7] SciTE

    8] MS Office

    (I'm familiar with OO.o and StarOffice, but from what I've seen, MSOffice is the hands-down winner for me and is primarily what keeps me on Windows).

    9] Adobe Acrobat 6.0 PRO

    10] DBDesigner 4

    And that about rounds out the list. After that, I reboot and hot-patch the box with locally stored patches, reboot, THEN connect for new patches.

  471. first ten on Windows by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I install these programs first on new Windows machines.

    VNC, Emacs for Windows, VMWare, CDEx, Vorbis Tools, DaemonTools follow. I like Photoshop but as long as it's crippled (currency watermarks) and activated I'll never buy another license for it.

  472. My first installs... by lowe0 · · Score: 1

    I don't reinstall Windows very often (only when hardware fails) but here's my usual recipe:

    0. Windows Update, drivers, etc.
    1. AIM
    2. Unreal Tournament
    3. Visual Studio.Net
    4. Studio MX
    5. WebSphere
    6. Office
    7. Acrobat Reader
    8. Ad-Aware

    I also use OS X, but since I haven't reinstalled that, I wouldn't know. :)

  473. not that I can't count, but here's my list (WinXP) by TimmelBimmel · · Score: 1

    -ftp voyager
    -colorset
    -emule
    -winamp
    --dfx
    -ps cs
    -indesign cs
    -opera
    -firefox
    --adblock css
    -divx
    -ac3
    -xvid
    -brockhaus
    -encarta
    -de sktop sidebar
    -trillian
    -mirc
    -xnview
    -joe
    -lame
    - emeditor
    -adobe audition
    -flashget
    -DScaler
    -babylon
    -winrar
    -alcohol 120%
    -nero
    -du-meter
    -topstyle

  474. How about the first 10 programs removed? by MobyDisk · · Score: 1

    If you buy an preinstalled system (Dell, HP, Gateway, etc.) the first thing I do is remove at least 10 programs. That includes several advertisements for online services, a few trial programs that lock you into saving a file that you can't open after 30 days, and then the complex OEM products that are more easily handled by freeware equivalents.

    IMHO, manufacturers should package vanilla systems and let users learn to install applications they want, rather than have a start menu that is so large that the user must scroll to get to their office application. With XP, many users don't ever go beyond the MRU list on the start menu - so they only see

    1. Re:How about the first 10 programs removed? by EdMcMan · · Score: 1

      If I buy a preinstalled system, I save myself the time and just format it!

  475. I install Antivir Guard, then eMule by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Once I have anti-virus, I install an eDonkey client like eMule, then surf to one of these pages to find the apps I want.

    The last step is to fire up my WiFi and download the apps I selected over somebody else's DSL.

    duh, this is satire

  476. Re:On windows? Here's the whole interoperability k by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I love you.

  477. Cygwin by ortholattice · · Score: 1
    The very first thing I install is Cygwin. Without it I don't feel like I have a "real" computer.

    One annoying thing with Cygwin is that they expect you to install it from the Internet, which can be slow depending on your connection. They don't tell you how to install it from a CD, but it is possible. I finally found out how to do it (bookmark this link -- for me it was very hard to find, even with Google! :). After discovering how to do this life is much more pleasant.

  478. my $0.02 (didn't there use to be a button?) by lost+sheep · · Score: 1

    in this particular order... 1. firfox 2. thunderbird 4. Emacs 5. JDK 6. Eclipse 7. openOffice 8. Gaim 9. (iTunes | XMMS) 10. the WVU Deskmate

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  479. Here's mine by SimmonsJ2K · · Score: 1
    1. FireFox, how else am I going to find and download the rest?
    2. AVG AV, so that the next 8 actually are what I want.
    3. Net Transport, to get the next 7 faster.
    4. WinRAR, some of the rest require extraction, and whatever one might say about WinRAR, I prefer it.
    5. WinAmp, so that I can listen to RadioStorm while I wait for the rest to download.
    6. Trillian Pro, so I can tell everyone I am reinstalling.
    7. NoteTab Pro, I paid for it for a reason after all.
    8. OpenOffice.org, so that I don't have to wait an hour for it to download when I need to use it later.
    9. Scorched Earth 3D, for a little fun.
    10. Synergy , check it out if you wanna know.
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  480. First thing I install in an internet cafe by tedboer · · Score: 1

    The first thing I install when I sit behind a terminal in a public internet cafe is putty, so I can make a ssh connection to my linux box at work. Sitting behind a computer without a (useful) shell is unacceptable for me :-)

    Actually, I don't install it, I just execute is from the download page.

  481. My 10 by AikenDrumGotWired · · Score: 1

    Daisy (Hotfix utility) Norton AV/Systemworks/Firewall/PCAnywhere Xp ANTI-SPY Ad-Aware SpywareBlaster Spybot S&D WinRAR OpenOffice Trillian Winamp

  482. First 10 unix programs by Nate+Eldredge · · Score: 1

    bash, strace, lsof, screen, windowmaker, mozilla or firefox, wget, xdiskusage, mplayer, netcat.

    Anytime I get an account on a new Unix machine, if any of these programs are missing, I build them myself.

    If I have root on the box, it also gets tcpdump and nmap.

  483. for Windows by mdrn28 · · Score: 1

    1. Trillian
    2. MS Office (Outlook)
    3. Cygwin
    4. PowerDVD
    5. SecureCRT
    6. Xemacs
    7. Google Toolbar
    8. SETI@Home
    9. McAfee VirusScan
    10. WinZip

  484. First ten on RedHat etc. by Dolda2000 · · Score: 1

    ...is a non-issue. Just check `everything' in the installation and you'll never have to install anything ever again. ;-)

  485. Forget WinRar by CMBologna · · Score: 1

    I use PowerArchiver

  486. Linux / Windows culture shock by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I run Linux and reinstall the machine every... erm every time I have an unrecoverable hardware failure.

    Straight after installing I have my top 10 or maybe 100 programs all ready to use. OK I might restore some data files I suppose.

    So what do I do with all my time? Spend it being productive and reading /.

  487. Reformatting? by RaguMS · · Score: 1

    but if you're anything like me your machine is formatted at least once a month

    Why do so many people reformat/reinstall so often?
    I only reinstall when I want to replace my current operating system with a new version (Windows 2000 to XP, etc). I never manage to mess up my system such that I need to kill everything. It's really a waste of time to reinstall, especially when a few extra minutes of system maintenance can keep it running nicely.

  488. TotalCommander by Frederic54 · · Score: 1

    The 1st thing I install on windows (for about 10 years, I was using it in win31 also) is TotalCommander, which was known as WindowsCommander before, it mimics the good old NortonCommander3/4/5 I was using under DOS, it can do almost everything in windows.

    Then I install tweakui, winace, winamp, and of course all the windows update...

    BTW I never reformat, I just delete the c:\windows or c:\winnt folder and reinstall from the setup files I have copied on my HD, I keep my favorites, cookies, and clean up some folder in c:\progra~1 before re-installing.

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    "Science will win because it works." - Stephen Hawking
  489. Install number 1.... Media Player Classic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Media Player Classic (search for it on sf.net) is simply the best media player for any platform. It contains statically-linked parsers for all media types, including DVD, AVI, OGM, etc. so there's no need to waste time with that new machine searching for CodecX. Ditch PowerDVD once and for all!

    Oops, maybe I shouldn't leave this comment because you don't have to INSTALL it at all... it's just a bare 1.2 MB EXE.

  490. pretty much what i do. by gimpboy · · Score: 1

    when you install *linux* you typically install from a distribution which gives you much more by default than a windows install cd. so when i install redhat, i click on the "everything" button, which comes with licq, gimp, apache, ssh (server + client), compilers, editors, open office, koffice, kde, gnome, xwindows, etc.

    so the first thing i do is install redhat. since almost everything else i use, that doesn't come with redhat, i have installed in /opt which is on it's own partition, i dont have to reinstall anything really. it's much nice that when i used nt.

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    -- john
  491. Try Acronis TrueImage. by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 2, Informative

    Try Acronis TrueImage. Makes backups while Windows XP is running. Has scheduler.

  492. Ridiculous. by Pope+Raymond+Lama · · Score: 1

    Normally I do not need any further instalations after I finish my OS install.

    A tipical GNU/Linux Distro comes with hundreds of applicatives, including but not restricted to 3 different office suites, an Image Manipulation Program, 4 or 5 different media players for audio and video, and another such bunch of web browsers.

    Besides that, tehre is no need to anti-virus, and security related software is also included. (firewalling, port mapping, etc)

    That is, if one cares to select All Packages, taht will ammount to about 5GB - not much in an 80GB HD world.

    Wake Up and smell the coffee winDOS users.

    --
    -><- no .sig is good sig.
  493. Unattended Install by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Windows XP Unattended Install

    Check this site out if you want to create your own OEM-type Windows XP installation CD. You can quietly install applications at the time of the OS installation, as well as all those Windows XP hotfixes.

  494. Re-installing? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Re-installing why would you ever need to do that, let alone every month? Oh... Wait... I see.. You're running windows... Oh well.. Then the obvious first programs would be putty (to acess a real machine) and/or linux.

  495. Hmmm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Isn't it telling when almost every single one of the posts +4, where there is actually a list of apps, is a Windows user? Man I'm so glad I don't have to deal with reinstalling all my crap all the time. The sad thing is, Windows users honestly think this is normal "maintenance".

  496. Gentoo by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In my gentoo box, I usually pick a list of just 2 or 3 softwares to install. Usually, when the install is finnaly done, there are new releases of this programs, so i start over and over again, ad infinitum

  497. and the winners are by McBeer · · Score: 1

    1. Trillian (I love chatting) 2. McAfee virus scan (I hate virii) 3. AdAware (I hate spyware) 4. Daemon Tools (I love to steal) 5. Sortpicts (I love pr0n) 6. Visual Studio (generally handy) 7. Photoshop (My friends love being edited into pr0n) 8. SmartFTP (generally handy) 9. IIS (I love pain) 10. SubVersion (is way better then CVS)

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  498. my programs by Chiisu · · Score: 1

    running OS X:

    Microsoft Word and Excel X (out of necessity)
    OmniOutliner
    Propellerhead Reason 2.5
    Bias Peak 4.1
    Adobe Photoshop 7
    Transmit

  499. My list looks like this: by arfonrg · · Score: 1

    on Win infected computers, I FIRST use fdisk and add a a 82 and 83 partition...

    After that, using lynx, I install:

    -Firefox
    -any weird drivers I might need (that doesn't come with Slackware).
    -Alsa
    -Wine
    -Open Office

    After that, it's whatever.

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    Your thin skin doesn't make me a troll
  500. I know I'm not the first one, but... by Silas+is+back · · Score: 0

    Sometimes I really wonder how much time people have to waste.
    Okay, I'm a student and quite busy, but I can't imagine that people have nothing better to do than reinstalling the whole system once a month. This wastes +/- one day every month!
    How about doing a trip with your family every 2nd month and reinstalling every other 2nd month? or if you haven't got a family to care about, how about investing 1 day every 2nd month in finding the right woman? Or learn something, join any club, do sports, clean your flat, whatever, but don't just waste your time with really really stupid things like that.

    To speak for myself, I haven't formatted my Powerbook for 18 Months now, and it still runs flawlessly.


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  501. What if.. by inode_buddha · · Score: 1

    I use Linux and my list is less than ten?

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  502. My picks, after umpteen Windows patches by Hans+Lehmann · · Score: 1

    Norton AV TweakUI UltraEdit putty RealVNC

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    09 F9 11 02 9D 74 E3 5B D8 41 56 C5 63 56 88 C0
  503. To everyone bashing this guy: by codemachine · · Score: 1

    Win2k is the least obnoxious OS from the Windows family.

    A lot of people are giving you flack for not putting WinXP in the reliable category. But I must agree that WinXP does belong in the "obnoxious" category, no matter what you think of its stability.

    Any OS with Fisher Price colours that pops up warnings saying "you have unused icons on your desktop" when you are trying to work is obnoxious. I know that XP can be made to be less annoying (so basicaly more like 2K) with a little work, but the defaults bad.

    1. Re:To everyone bashing this guy: by KaffeineKitty · · Score: 1

      As you point out those are the default settings in XP which will always be set to a level that are aimed at the less computer-literate user. That's because they expect advanced users to change it to their liking, but inexperienced users are less likely to figure this out own their own. Both the options you are referring to are quite easily changed in display properties: uncheck run desktop wizard every 60 days and change appearance to windows classic. Personally I like the the new Windows look better (bright colors are good thing), it just took some getting used to at first. But then most people who get used to a particular OS have a tendency to think it is better or become somewhat biased towards it, when sometimes it is just because that is what they are familar with. By the way the Windows XP machine I am currently running is the most stable version of Windows I've ever had. As far as I am concerned Win95 and Win98 can go away never to return again. As far as Win2K and WinME, I haven't had those installed on any home machines yet, so I won't speak to their reliability.

    2. Re:To everyone bashing this guy: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Win2K is easily as stable, if not more so, than Windows XP. Plus it isn't targetted at being "helpful" to the mythical average user, so you don't have to shut off all sorts of crap that MS wrongly thought would be useful. I've certainly found many more annoyances than the two the parent pointed out, and a whole lot of hardware detection bugs as well.

      Of course my approach to "fixing" WinXP is a couple simple steps, but they don't involve Windows clicks or display property changes.

      They are:
      open CD tray
      put in a Linux Install Cd
      reboot and install

      Heck, it probably takes less clicks to "fix" XP this way than it takes trying to make it less annoying.

  504. First installs on Fedora Core 1 by richard_za · · Score: 1

    Point yum (/etc/yum.conf) at my isp's yum repository, also add references to Dag Wieer's repository and rpm.livna.org.

    sudo yum check-update

    then

    sudo yum update

    Then install java and flash player.

    Eric S. Raymond has authored a nice guide entitled: Fedora Multimedia Installation HOWTO

  505. USB Key by Outatime · · Score: 1

    USB memory keychains (any size 64MB or greater) with common tools (soft firewall, SSH client, etc.) are really useful to get the system up to a "usable" state before exposing it to the network.

  506. Imaging by phorm · · Score: 1

    After dealing with funky windows issues that occur after software upgrades or funky DLL's - I finally got smart.

    Since my PC is a dual-boot (windows/linux), I wiped out the XP partition, reinstalled from scratch and put all my base programs on, plus patches,drivers:
    GAIM
    Winamp
    Putty
    EMule
    Firebird/Thunderbird
    Filezilla
    WinSCP3
    Openoffice
    CDex
    VirtuaDub
    Audacity
    Hardware-related (SBLive EAX panel, etc)
    PowerDVD
    Nero

    Those last few came with hardware or at a cost...

    Now... one of these days I may have to do it all over again. Rather than dealing with that, I booted into 'nix, revved up partimage and built an image of the drive in 500MB chunks. They're small enough to fit on a DVD - and I keep another DVD-RW with software updates for stuff like GAIM and others.

    Should XP ever go down in flames, I can leave partimage doing a restore, come back, and I'm fresh to go.

  507. Some nice core apps for Windows by EchoMirage · · Score: 1
    I'll list two useful apps nobody that I've read has mentined yet:
    • Miranda IM - Free beer and speech IM client with support for all the protocols. Miniscule footprint.
    • ObjectDock - Mac OS X-like dock for WinXP. Good riddance to the toolbar.
  508. OS X by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, I guess my list would be:

    1. Firefox
    2. Thunderbird (for news - Mail.app is great for mail)
    3. VLC media player
    4. Mplayer (for the few files that VLC doesn't like)
    5. iTerm
    6. CocoModX (gotta have a dose of Liljedahl et al)
    7. Adium (multi IM)
    8. Darwinports
    9. NeoOffice
    10. Cuppa - so I know when my tea is done.

    I don't even need most of that as I could stick with most of the stuff that came with my computer if I wanted to (Quicktime, iTunes, iChat, DVD player, Terminal.app etc.)

  509. My 10 downloads by e03179 · · Score: 1

    1. Trillian Pro - I use AIM, Y!, ICQ, IRC, and MSN chat clients. I use Trillian to notify me of updates to RSS feeds. I also use it to check POP3 e-mail accounts and Y! and HoTMaiL accounts. I also order my buddy list into Groups and Sub-Groups. Trillian also logs all chats which comes in handy on occasions. I also download the Aikon3 skin for Trillian. Trillian support secure profiles in case you have multiple people using the same install of Trillian.
    Trillian website
    Aikon 3 website w/Trilliain screenshots

    2. Firefox - Light-weight, pop-up blocking, tabbed browsing rocks. And the plugins are very useful. All web designers should use the "Web Development" extension for Firefox. It allows you to automatically resize any webpage, disable images, cookies, java, ..., validates, and so much more. Save a lot time for the web devs. The "EditCSS" extension is cool because you can run your own CSS on other people's websites (make Slashdot fit your blog theme). Oh, and the Mozilla Google Toolbar for Firefox is a "must install". (I also install the Google bar for IE).
    Firefox website

    3. Microsoft Powertoys for XP (TweakUI) - A Microsoft download that allows for extra and powerful control of XP. Basically, it allows you to make some neat changes to your Registry that allows for increased productivity and usability. Tweaking XP made easy.
    Microsoft Powertoys website

    4. Versaverter - a neat little units converter that came in very helpful during my Engineering education. It has virtually every unit imaginable.
    Versaverter website

    5. Winamp5 - Light-weight MP3 player. Also play other media formats both audio and video. Skinnable, scalable, dockable, and extendable. I use only this program to playback MP3's. I like docking my Winamp screen at the bottom of my monitor. It's only about 20 pixels high. I also like right-clicking an MP3 folder and selecting Play in Winamp.
    Winamp website

    6. BS Player - Light-weight Video player. Playback video in half-time, double-time, resizable video screen, skinnable, commandline support, and more. My favorite video media player as I haven't found a player that gives me more control of the video I am watching.
    BS Player website

    7. Colorpad - tiny little .exe and GUI eyedropper utility. Use the eyedropper to get the HEX or HTML value of any pixel on screen. I don't think there's any current support for this app. Still, it's very handy and takes up little screen area with the right skin.
    Colorpad @ Deviant Art

    8. Winzip - compress and decompress files. Duh.
    Winzip website

    9. TravelAxe - Find cheap hotels from around the world. Puts information from popular travel websites into a sortable spreadsheet. Sorts by price, 1,2,3,4,5 Star rating, and more.
    TravelAxe website

    10. Musicmatch Jukebox - The only reason I install this software is to convert my audio CDs into MP3 archives. That part of this software is powerful and flexible. Don't use it for anything else.
    Musicmatch website

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  510. Norton ghost by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I use norton ghost, so all my programs are installed after the 4 min reinstall

    I love norton ghost

  511. You asked for it by DeltaSigma · · Score: 1
    *nix
    1. csh - BSD made me like it (sorry)
    2. Vim - Better than vi
    3. wget - Simplicity at its best
    4. FireFox - I "wgot it"
    5. Evolution/Thunderbird - Evolution for Gnome, Thunderbird for xfce4
    6. Gaim - Talk to me
    7. Gimp - Cause you can't "photoshop" without CrossOver

    You know what, nevermind the *nix list. It changes depending on the distribution... Most if it's already there.

    Windows (2000)
    1. Firefox - Usually "mozilla.org" is the only site in my IE history
    2. Thunderbird - While I'm at it
    3. Winamp - 2 or 5 depending on the hardware
    4. Vim - What more is there to say?
    5. WinZip - Because I never bought a WinRar license
    6. Gaim - Used to be Trillian, changed for *nix consistancy
    7. Putty - You've got to have a secure shell
    8. Photoshop - 'cause you can't "photoshop" with Gimp
    9. WinPT - GPG to secure my pr0n
    10. OpenOffice - I really just make pretty (useless) charts
  512. 1st 10 by F34nor · · Score: 1

    Windows Update...
    Nvidia Drivers
    ZoneAlarm
    Norton Antivirus
    Spam Slammer
    Winzip
    Halflife
    Steam
    Natural Selection
    Cheating Death

  513. As does Windows XP and Windows 2K by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    The same thing could conceivably happen to a linux/firefox user (if a firefox hole were targetted with code that executed on linux), but the malicious code would have to also find a local root exploit to do serious damage. Why? Because Linux/Unix properly seperates user space from everything else.

    The problem is that so many people use the default "Administrator" account that they end up with these problems. Linux is just as insecure when morons load up KDE as root and start surfing the web and such. It's trivial to create additional local users on 2K and XP, which you can easily not give admin rights to and thus prevent those sorts of problems.

    1. Re:As does Windows XP and Windows 2K by SoTuA · · Score: 1
      But then you are stuck with the non-admin accounts that are completely crippled.

      Of course, could be that I've never run across a properly configured limited account on windows.

    2. Re:As does Windows XP and Windows 2K by madcow_ucsb · · Score: 1

      It's often not within your power to configure it properly. Even the silliest stuff and little apps die horrible deaths when you don't run with Admin privs. I don't know why that is, but I'd wager to say it's the fault of those writing the apps and not so much Microsoft.

      That part of windows is ok, I think. Now if they'd just make the driver model more fault-tolerant, I'd be all set...

  514. First 10 Programs by Ridgelift · · Score: 1

    On Windows it used to be:

    1) All Patches and Fixes (a lot more than 10)
    2) AVG Anti-virus
    3) Ad-aware
    4) Spybot
    5) Mozilla
    6) Winrar
    7) MYOB (for business)
    8) OpenOffice
    9) Adobe Acrobat Reader
    10) MS Money

    I haven't had to do that in awhile because now I run Windows 2000 on top of Linux using VMWare. In fact, I didn't even need to install the first 4 items on my list last time around, because when I'm done, I just click "revert" and it goes back to the way it was.

    For Linux I installed this (which was over 2 1/2 years ago):

    1) vim
    2) firefox
    3) evolution
    4) VMWare (to run Windows)
    5) XMMS (WinAmp equivalent)
    6) Ogle (to watch DVDs)

    And that's it! Anything else I need I install when I need it by typing "apt-get install [app name]". I setup a server about 3 years ago seperate from my workstation which rsync's a copy of the i386 Debian distribution. Whenever I need to update my machine, I just type "apt-get update && apt-get upgrade" which in one shot checks my local mirror for updated packages, then upgrades everything. I've _never_ had to reboot my machine after an upgrade, and in over 2 years, I just don't have problems anymore, especially with Windows.

  515. Here's my list by NeoSkandranon · · Score: 1

    (aside from windows updates and drivers)

    Mozilla Firefox
    Mozilla Thunderbird
    Hotmail popper
    iTunes
    Nero burning ROM
    WinRAR
    ACDSee (image processing)
    Photoshop
    Cute FTP
    Forte Agent (Usenet client)

    And then come the games ;p

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  516. First 10 installs by sloanster · · Score: 1

    On windows:
    0. all updates
    1. putty.exe
    2. mozilla

    and I'm all set - I don't really use windows for anything significant, but this covers all the contingencies.

    On RH/Fedora Linux:
    0. apt
    1. all updates
    2. nvidia video drivers
    3. openvpn
    4. Sun jvm
    5. mplayer for DVDs and other multimedia
    6. mplayer plugin for web-based video
    7. Frozen Bubble
    8. ut2004 & other FPS
    9. update to latest version of the gimp

  517. Re:On windows? Here's the whole interoperability k by phre4k · · Score: 1

    2. PuTTY - the only terminal I've found that handles colors and stuff right.

    Do you know if it is possible to use putty as a replacement for cmd/cygwin locally?

    /Esben

    --
    "Nobody really checks their email any more. They just delete their spam"
  518. Top 10 by OverDrive33 · · Score: 1

    Windows XP
    1. All Patches/Service Packs/DX9
    2. Norton Anti-Virus
    3. Updates to All Drivers
    4. Winamp
    5. Eudora
    6. Crimsion Editor
    7. Nero
    8. mIRC
    9. Current Game 1 (UT2K4 at the moment)
    10. Current Game 2 (Hitman : Contracts)

  519. Win/Mac Top 10 by mccoy1701 · · Score: 1
    Windows-
    • Windows Updates
    • Office
    • iTunes
    • UT 2k3, soon to be 2k4
    • Quake 3 Arena
    • AutoCAD
    • Filezilla
    • You know... I cant think of anything else I really use very often on a Windows Machine
    Mac-
    • iLife
      • iDVD
      • iMovie
      • iTunes
      • iPhoto
      • GarageBand
    • Garage Band Jam Pack
    • SubEtha Edit
    • Transmit
    • WeatherPop
    • Office
    • Final Cut Express
    • XCode
    • Apple Remote Desktop
    • Microsoft Remote Desktop Connection
    1. Re:Win/Mac Top 10 by mccoy1701 · · Score: 1

      And software update after everyting on Mac.

  520. Almost no non-Windows replies... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It seems Windows users install their system quite often from scratch, in order to be so familiar with their top ten.

  521. more of the same by shuz · · Score: 1


    in order(I think) on my windows box
    Install offline
    1. outpost(firewall)
    2. norton(A/V)
    -Install all patches and drivers here
    install online
    3. firebird(browser)
    4. SSH(www.ssh.com which is also free)
    5. spybot
    6. trillian
    7. MS office
    8. winzip
    9. MS outlook(I'll phase this software out someday)
    10. winamp

    for linux I use debian and I haven't reinstalled in a really really long time. Since I select all programs to install at install and dpkg downloads and installs the packages automatically it is impossible to, or rather not feasible to install one program at a time. If I were to it would be something like:
    firebird, OpenOffice, avview, Xfree86, x11amp, alsa, opensshd and openssh, wireless tools, nmap, snort ect. I suppose there is quite a list. :-) hope this helps.

    --
    There is or can be built a machine that can simulate any physical object. -Church-Turing principle
  522. Top Ten for the Mac by Arkham · · Score: 2, Informative

    I don't install very often because I use a Mac running OSX. When i get a new machine though, here are my top ten:

    1) Menu Meters -- I couldn't live without it
    2) SQLGrinder -- great DB programming tool
    3) SubEthaEdit -- great editor, supports collaborative development via Rendezvous
    4) Little Snitch -- lets me know when a program tries to go out on the network on its own.
    5) BBEdit -- the ultimate editor. How does anyone ever live without it?
    6) Timbuktu -- great for managing all those Macs and PCs remotely.

    --
    - Vincit qui patitur.
  523. Here's to alternative web browsers! by saintp · · Score: 1
    I definitely install a web browser first, whether I'm doing Windows or Linux. I'm an Opera fanatic, which, thankfully, comes with some Linux distros, but I absolutely cannot stand IE or Mozilla, and once I've tried a few mouse gestures in FireFox, I'm ready to have my Opera back. :)

    After that, it depends on my OS. For most of the Linux installs I do, the next few things I install will be MySQL, OpenLDAP, Apache, and PHP, which takes care of most of my needs. My Windows box (which, I admit, I use at home) is a little more fun:

    2. iTunes
    3. Whatever freeware Shisen-Sho app I can find
    4. Starcraft
    5. Several games later, OpenOffice.org

    Let's be honest: does a computer really need anything else? I certainly don't think so.

  524. It's been almost 2 years now, but ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have some serious "cruft" creeping into this Win2k box. I'll rebuild soon. Here's my list:

    WinZip
    JPSoft's "Take Command"
    D4Time
    VirtuaWin
    cvs
    Mozilla 1.6
    HTML-Kit
    FileZilla
    Acrobat reader
    Paint Shop Pro ... there's a long list following ...

  525. WOW A Lot of you must not work on your computer... by greymond · · Score: 1

    So i'm assuming you meant the 10 programs you install after the 100 bazillion updates and patches you install right after windows finishes installing....

    My first 10 programs after Windows are:

    1) MS Office
    2-5) Macromedia Studio (Dreamweaver, Flash, Fireworks, Freehand)
    6-9) Adobe Design Studio (Photoshop/Imageready, Indesign, Illustrator, Acrobat)
    10) Quark Express

    Then after a few more essentials like AutoCad 2004, CuteFtp, and various plugins for the above listed appz, comes things like Trillian and PowerDVD....

    Guess my Priorities are just WAY off.....

  526. Who reinstalls everything once a month? by Uzik2 · · Score: 1

    If you have to reinstall everything once a month
    you're doing something terribly wrong. You're
    wasting your life repeating the same tasks over
    and over. Don't you have anything more productive
    to do with your time?

    --
    -- Programming with boost is like building a house with lego. It's a cool but I wouldn't want to live in it
  527. You must have fewer needs than I do... by Llywelyn · · Score: 1

    You must have fewer needs than I do...

    * i-Installer (with associated TeX packages)
    * TeXShop
    * Xcode (and associated applications)
    * R
    * Swarm
    * SubethaEdit
    * Snapz Pro
    * Goban
    * TechTool Pro
    * Mplayer OS X

    Royal PITA....

    --
    Integrate Keynote and LaTeX
    1. Re:You must have fewer needs than I do... by Blakey+Rat · · Score: 1

      You have a software program named R? Whoever came up with that name seriously needs to go back to the drawing board, as Googling for "R" is quite useless.

      What is it? What does it do? Where's the website? Can I get some info on R?

    2. Re:You must have fewer needs than I do... by subtillus · · Score: 1

      you didn't look very hard...

      I just googled for R Mac OS X
      and came up with this

      http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/math_scien ce /rformacosxwithaquagui.html

    3. Re:You must have fewer needs than I do... by Llywelyn · · Score: 1

      It is a play on the name "S"/"SPlus."

      http://www.r-project.org

      --
      Integrate Keynote and LaTeX
    4. Re:You must have fewer needs than I do... by cubic6 · · Score: 1

      R. It's the GNU version of S, which is a very good statistics tool.

      --
      Karma: Contrapositive
  528. If you're like me... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    you use Debian or OS X, and haven't needed to re-install an operating system in several years.

  529. On my new NetBSD box: by uid8472 · · Score: 1
    1. sudo
    2. zsh
    3. screen
    4. rsync
    5. perl
    6. emacs
    7. gnus
    8. teTeX
    9. gnupg
    10. gnetcat
  530. Yet another Mac OS X list by realinvalidname · · Score: 2, Interesting
    • X11 - yes, I'm a geek
    • fink - for getting all things *nix
    • emacs21 - supports X, unlike Apple's default
    • ant - did I mention I'm a Java developer? (actually, this comes with the J2EE support in the dev tools, if you installed it, otherwise get from fink)
    • Graphic Converter - the poor man's Photoshop
    • BBEdit - yes, it's too expensive now. yes, there's no free version. but if you work with plaintext or markup, it's still worth it.
    • Fire - only if you use Yahoo or MSN, otherwise iChat is fine
    • Logorrhea - iChat history browser
    • Mariner Write - a nice little word processor
    • NeoOffice/J - OpenOffice.org made X-less
  531. HOSTS file by Naito · · Score: 4, Informative
  532. OpenBSD by lcde · · Score: 1

    No one uses a WM anymore i guess :)

    FVWM
    Firefox
    Gaim
    sylpheed-claws
    aterm
    nmap
    ethereal
    gtk-gnutella
    mpg321
    mplayer

    everything else is in base.

    --
    :%s/teh/the/g
  533. my first 10 by bokmann · · Score: 1

    MY first focus is generally making sure the machine is a good 'net citizen', has what I need on it to be able to get to it remotely or get stuff to it easily, and some common office things.

    Windows:
    Cygwin
    Java (j2sdk 1.4.2_03)
    OpenOffice
    Mozilla
    mprime (www.mersenne.org)
    updates
    aim
    tightvnc

    Linux (Red Hat 9):
    Ximian Gnome
    Java (j2sdk 1.4.2_03)
    OpenOffice
    mprime
    aim
    upates
    sshd (shutting off most other services)
    tightvnc

  534. On other people's Windows machines by St.+Arbirix · · Score: 1

    I've gotten used to having to fix other people's computers. As soon as I get on one I have a set list I always install ASAP so those people won't bother me anymore.

    Spybot Search and Destroy
    Ad-Aware
    Mozilla
    McAfee VirusScan Home
    Gaim
    BSPlayer
    uxtheme.dll

    Then I remove the 40+ icons on their desktop and put the important ones in their quicklaunch bar, that goes at the top of the screen.

    Then I tell Windows it should automatically update for them.

    Then I smack on a MacOS theme and they feel better because they think I gave them MacOSX (Sad, but true.)

    The most important part to the whole install is setting the Mozilla link so it has the IExplorer icon.

    It has always been safe to set the programs I install as default or so they are disguised as what the user is used to. I've never been able to talk people off of MusicMatch in favor of anything without offensive memory problems, and replacing MSOffice with OpenOffice causes hysterics.

    Our department of computing (university) suggests people use the underground version of Kazaa Light over Kazaa but at the same time they prosecute users who share too much music, so I've been showing people bittorrent. When that doesn't work I show them some free porn websites.

    --Townsend

    --
    Direct away from face when opening.
  535. Fresh Installs by Gangis · · Score: 2, Informative

    I just reinstalled the OS on my laptop (WinXP Pro) after a year of constant operation. Here's what I did:

    Office 2003
    Photoshop CS
    Trillian
    Video decoder packs (DivX 5, XviD, etc)
    SmartFTP
    Nero Burning ROM
    CloneCD
    Grand Theft Auto Vice City
    mIRC
    and of course, the Goldfish Aquarium. Can't live without my fishies!

    --
    "Black holes are where God divided by zero." - Steve Wright
  536. where is the "OS" v. "app" line these days? by chunderfest · · Score: 1
    seriously, even lynx is part of woody's base install. and fvwm2 isn't. so where's the line? anyway, in order:
    1. 0. lynx
    2. mutt
    3. jed
    4. tetex/xdvi
    5. pilot-link/jpilot
    6. fvwm2
    7. mozilla/galeon
    8. gv & xpdf
    9. xmms
    10. OOo
    11. intel's ifort

    I'd have a tough time coming up with any more than these as "must haves". Of course, with Debian you install exactly once/machine (even if your disk fails, just get /etc and /var from backup & apt-get takes care of the rest).

    --
    Ah, bitter dregs.
  537. latest or current version of by thomasa · · Score: 1

    I always install:

    mozilla
    sendmail
    openoffice
    mpack - easy to use
    perl
    python
    openssh
    openssl
    cdrecord
    cdp aranoia
    nmap
    pine
    pinepgp
    mcrypt
    ethereal
    pr oftpd
    libpcap
    samba

  538. my list by vingilot · · Score: 1

    apache
    java
    tomcat
    postfix
    imap/pop
    sshd
    ope nssl
    bastille
    postgres
    pine

    I can't stand the default locations for some of the webserver/network stuff.

  539. a golden land of opportunity and adventure by Jamie+Zawinski · · Score: 1

    if you're anything like me your machine is formatted at least once a month.

    Dude, I think it's time to move out of your mom's basement.

  540. Popcon by RAMMS+EIN · · Score: 1
    --
    Please correct me if I got my facts wrong.
  541. Not mentioned yet... by pen · · Score: 1
    A few programs I haven't seen mentioned yet:
    • Total Commander -- previously known as Windows Commander. A file manager. (and here's how I set it up)
    • Proxomitron - HTTP proxy with regex support
    • Bandwidth Monitor Pro - lets me set up a transparent bandwidth graph in a screen corner that really doesn't interfere with anything else (replaced DUMeter on all my systems)
    • ParaWin - provides additional keyboard layouts
    • SQLyog - although it has plenty of issues, this is still the best MySQL front-end that I've found to date
    • Opera Browser - still the fastest and most convenient for me

    Thunderbird, Mozilla, PuTTY, EditPlus, Winamp

    1. Re:Not mentioned yet... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't believe Windows is usable without Total Commander. I have yet to find a suitable replacement for Linux. And no, mc isn't even near.

  542. I have eight, UNIX has everything else I need by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    links - console web browser
    zsh - awsome shell
    pdksh - good shell
    bsdgames - unfortunatly, not standard on every computer ever
    nmap - for legal purposes
    ircii - chat client, not that I ever use it
    setiathome - because they are out there
    wtf - so I can understand the enlightening conversation on slashdot.
    Thats it. No 9 and 10

  543. Win2k : the absolute essentials by giampy · · Score: 1


    1) LastServicePack+Updates+Drivers

    2) DiskKeeper
    3) Norton Antivirus for NT4.0
    4) ZoneAlarm
    5) AdAware
    6) RegCleaner
    7) FinePrint
    8) SSH_WinClient
    9) Winzip

    10) PsExplorer & TCPView
    (www.sysinternals.com)

    then some audio and ripping tools
    like DartPro, AltoMp3,
    then possibly kazaalite, ... then, but only then,
    we are ready for the "serious" apps,
    and some office productivity tools ...

    --
    We learn from history that we learn nothing from history - Tom Veneziano
  544. Installs on the new dell box... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I recently purchased a new Dell 4600 after my
    old computer's hard drive had difficulties with
    large numbers of bad blocks. My installs were:

    1. Linux (Fedora Core 1)
    --(anyone want to buy a dell OEM WinXP cd
    That I *paid* for?)
    2. 865patch
    --Dell BIOS has a problem with the video memory.
    After hours of searching, this let me
    get a decent resolution in graphics mode
    3. Figured out how to get red hat NOT to
    boot in graphical mode. (Prefer text mode
    login by far - after all, I'm a linux user!)
    3. my .emacs file - the most important single
    file install ever!
    5. Sawfish
    6. Modified sawfish lisp scripts so it works
    with the current gnome panel desktop selector
    (I keep meaning to send my modification in
    as a patch to the sawfish folks....)
    7. Latest stable freeciv
    8. Modified freeciv client code to allow
    settlers to stay on autosettler when there
    is no work to do.

    No installs 9 or 10 yet. They will come, I
    am sure.

    Ok, ok, so 5 and 7 weren't really installs,
    but they took quite a while to do, not
    being familiar with the code and all, so i am counting them anyway.

  545. I reinstall exactly twice a year. by pgilman · · Score: 1

    I do a fresh OS installation every 6 months, on May 1 and November 1 - that's when new releases of OpenBSD come out. 8-)

    For the record, my first 10 programs installed are:

    1. bash
    2. vim
    3. screen
    4. wget
    5. nmap
    6. fluxbox
    7. gkrellm
    8. sylpheed
    9. mozillaphoenixfirebirdfox
    10. etherape
    --
    if i'm a grammar nazi, you're an illiteracy nazi.
  546. On Windows by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The first ten things you un-install.

  547. No, you're nuts good sir :) by Polarism · · Score: 1

    The point of reinstalling at least every 6 months is to ensure the stability and freshness of your system. It helps organization, helps clear out files you'd never think to delete normally, helps keep your skills honed for even doing this sort of thing.

    Plus it's the best way to kill spyware that you missed with all your scanners and such ;)

    --
    All your base are belong to Google.
  548. Well, on Windows... by LoocSiMit · · Score: 1

    TextPad
    Eudora
    Agent
    Mozilla
    WinZip
    Porn
    Porn
    Porn
    Porn
    Porn
    Porn

    (I know that's 11, but I really like porn.)

    --
    Intellectual Property
    Intellectual: of the mind
    Property: that over which one has control
  549. Debian or OS X? by solios · · Score: 1

    Debian:

    Sudo (get, make new user, add user to sodoers, log out of root and log in as user); move system to testing, upgrade everything that's already present... after which, mysql, php, imagemagick, perl libraries for imagemagick. Anything else I need when I need it. SSH keygen; edit ssh config file for common hosts, move DSA key to common hosts.

    OS X :

    Copy functioning and broken-in classic environment from previous workstation (containing Photoshop 5.0.2 and a few other must-haves, as well as the CPU meter from Jaguar, which I like much more than the Activity Monitor); Quicksliver, Photoshop CS, Final Cut Pro, DVD Studio Pro, Dreamweaver MX, Fireworks MX, Toast, Wacom drivers, BZFlag, and then mop up the install with current DIVX codecs, VLC, MPlayer, SSH Keychain. Grab Fink for the sole purpose of GNU File Utilities. Spend the time during the install from optical media configuring the sytem how I want it (terminal preferences, login items, activate root, turn auto-login off, grab Matrix GL screensaver, configurw energy settings, set finder defaults). Run SW Update, reboot. SSH keygen, edit config file for common hosts, copy DSA key to frequently used accounts.

    Work complete.

    Assuming the target hard drive is formatted and partitioned how I want it, I can typically get a debian box up in 1/20th the time it takes to get an OS X install where I want it. But then, I don't use X Windows on linux. :-)

  550. MyLoads by Lodragandraoidh · · Score: 1

    Windoze box (game/tinker box):

    1. EMACS (Editor+ - to replace MS Word)
    2. PFE32 (Editor - to replace notepad for 'one off' writing)
    3. Python
    4. Perl
    5. FireFox (browser de jure)
    6. WWIIonline (best battlefield simulation - bar none)
    7. Battlefield Vietnam (best FPS bar none)
    8. MS Train Simulator (okay - I like trains...so sue me)
    9. Close Combat A Bridge Too Far (oldie, but goodie)
    10. IL6 (flight sim - sometimes the urge to fly overcomes me...)
    + more games as the mood hits me...

    Linux Server:

    1. Emacs
    2. Python
    3. Perl
    4. Zope +modules
    5. MySQL
    6. Apache

    Linux Workstation:

    1. Emacs
    2. Python
    3. Perl
    4. TheGimp (Graphics)
    5. FireFox (www Browsing)
    6. OpenOffice (MS equivalent office tools - use mainly to read due to clueless individuals who send me .ppt, .doc, .xls etc. files - instead of XML, HTML, comma delimited, or other plain text formats)
    7. Gnumeric etc...(more productivity tools as needed - I like some of the functionality found in gnumeric vs. OpenOffice spreadsheets)

    Most of the things I use are already present in most Linux distributions - so I usually don't have to load them in manually, unless I need a specific update.

    --

    Lodragan Draoidh
    The more you explain it, the more I don't understand it. - Mark Twain
  551. The first programs I install on my device are by Ira+Sponsible · · Score: 1

    1- X-Master 2- Category Hack, Entropy Hack, TimeOnContrast (hack) 3- BigClock 4- FileZ 5- Newpen 6- CryptoPad 7- STRIP 8- TiBR lite 9- Roll Em 10- Misfortune Cookie

    --
    1.Netcraft confirms:In Soviet Russia all your base welcomes a beowolf cluster of CowboyNeal overlords. 2.? 3.Profit!!1!
  552. My first programs... by Fuzzums · · Score: 0, Redundant

    let me think...

    sp1.exe
    sp2.exe ...
    hotfix1.exe ...
    patch1.exe
    patch2.exe
    patch3.exe ...
    patch10.exe

    --
    Privacy is terrorism.
  553. The first thing I install on a Windows box by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is an OS, lately Fedora.

    However, If I am forced to run a Microsoft OS (like at work) I need the following:

    1. Mozilla: This lessens my vulnerablity to virii [sic] (I like this spelling, you pendantic speller!) and gives me a better WWW experience.

    2. Cygwin: This gives me a boatload of UNIX tools I can't live without, in particular: vim, ksh, ls, find, grep, sed, perl and ssh.

    3. Norton AV: Norton antivirus (or one of it's competitors) is required for running a Windows box.

  554. On my Mac by Funksaw · · Score: 1

    Snak (IRC Client) Adium (AIM client) Photoshop In Design Microsoft Word (Until a native version of OO.o is produced) Garage Band Thoth (Newsreader) Roxio Toast (DiscBurner) VideoLan Client DVD Backup/DVD2OneX (For backing up DVDs. Not encrypted DVDs because that would be illegal)

  555. Reinstall once a month?!? by MasterMnd · · Score: 1

    I've had uptimes over a year on my normal desktop machine, so no I haven't reinstalled in awhile.

    My Windows boxes at work probably get reloaded about yearly though.

  556. If a firewall and antivirus aren't the top two ... by JonKatzIsAnIdiot · · Score: 1

    If you're not installing a firewall and antivirus program immediately after the OS (and before connecting to the net), I dare you to post your IP and email addresses. Someone out there will illustrate the importance of those two little steps.

  557. Ghost is the solution! by ArcticCelt · · Score: 1

    Well I have build a basic config for my system and then I made an image of it with "Norton Ghost". With one install everything is done in a couple of minutes.

    What I have in my basic ready Windows install Ghost image file:

    1 - Windows fully patched and updated
    2 - Firewall - Zonealarm (installed offline)
    3 - Antivirus - Mcafee virus scan (installed offline)
    4 - Spyware Trifacta : Ad-Aware/Spybot/SpywareBlaster (installed offline)
    5 - Zip/Rar Utilities - PowerZip - 7Zip
    6 - Winamp
    7 - Irfanview (JPG viewer)
    8 - Video Codecs (Divx, Real alternative, Qick Time Alternative etc)
    9 - Hardware drivers/software (scanner, video capture, etc)
    10 - CD Burning Utilities


    Installing the other bigger utilities it's a one by one case that I can do as I am needing them.

    --

    Yahh, hiii haaaaa! -Major Kong, from Dr. Strangelove
  558. Top 10? Hrm, tough. by meheler · · Score: 1

    Windows: WinRAR, FlashFXP, WinAmp, Firefox, Thunderbird, several dozen patches & updates, then games since that's all Windows is good for.

    Linux (Mandrake): Firefox, Thunderbird, XFCE, gAIM, and uhh.. well it comes with everything else.

  559. First 10 on Win (w/ links) from a SysAdmin's POV by theobscurest · · Score: 1

    I SysAdmin a significantly sized heterogeneous network and to my dismay, I often have to set up new Windows machines and/or reinstall Windows machines.

    As an aside, in sysadmin-land, the general rule is to reinstall a machine after someone leaves and/or every two-three years max. Any longer than that and the machine's OS & registry gets too clogged up with crap (among other things) that the machine goes so slow and a complete & clean reinstall is the only way to really regain that lost productivity.

    Anyhow, the first 10 or so programs I install on these (primarily w2k) machines are as follows:

  560. Java Runtime Engine (j2se-1.4.2_04) by Erik_ · · Score: 1

    I would not forget an essential for all browser and some network apps, the J2SE Jave Runtime Engine J2SE-1.4.2_04

  561. Registry Slowdown by eamonman · · Score: 1

    After only 1 1/2 years of use, right clicking on ANYthing would take at least 3-4 seconds to bring up the normal windows right click pop-up. My poor registry has had probably way too many file-program asocciations installed... the only clean way to fix it was for me to reinstall WinXP.
    I've tried running various regisry trimmers/cleaners, but they never seem to work that well and they just cause random crashes along the line as well.
    I've found that 1 1/2 years is a good time to refresh and 'clean house' on my HDs as well. No need to keep those FAQ's for FF9 anymore ;)

    --
    0- Eamonman Proud member of DNRC
  562. Software firewall != BAD by uncitizen · · Score: 1

    Software firewalls are actually okay, just not any windows ones. IP Tables/Chains, pf, and everything thing else are nothing but software firewalls. They're just better done.

    1. Re:Software firewall != BAD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Same person, just posting to prevent Karma kill.

      Won't disagree there, but there is something in the execution of Windows-based software firewalls that ends up in a TCP/IP rebuild.

      Worst software to do this? ZoneAlarm.

      When that software tanks, back up to some local media and reload. Seems to be the only way to get a stable network stack after the fact.

    2. Re:Software firewall != BAD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And if you can't afford a high-end, custom firewall, chances are your $40 Linksys or D-Link is running a UNIX-like OS - meaning a software firewall!

  563. My first 10 by Big+Nothing · · Score: 1

    After installing Windows and all available patches/hotfixes I immediately install:

    1. ZoneAlarm
    2. Norton AntiVirus
    3. LavaSoft AdAware
    4. MS Baseline Security Analyzer (to find any security holes I might have missed when configuring Windows.)
    5. WinZip
    6. Trillian
    7. WinAmp
    8. Google Toolbar
    9. Acrobat Reader, Flash, ShockWave and QuickTime plugins
    10. ACDSee

    Step 1-4 in that order, the rest in no particular order. After that, I install programs I actually USE:

    * MS Office
    * Macromedia DreamWeaver, Flash and Fireworks
    * Adobe Photoshop and Acrobat

    And/or if the b0xen is for development:

    * MS ASP.NET Web MAtrix
    * SharpDevelop
    * WinCVS
    * WinMerge
    * HTML-kit
    * TCL and Python
    * documentation for languages etc (such as VBScript documentation, DotNet Framework dokumentation, etc.)

    And/or if the b0xen is for games:

    * Half-Life
    * Steam
    * Counter-Strike 1.6
    * Additional maps etc for Counter-Strike
    * ...and maybe some other game, like Hitman II, Comanche 3, America's Army, etc.

    Other crap I usually install:
    * Nero Burning Rom
    * DC++
    * Ventrilo
    * Some DVD player
    * NetLimiter (excellent for limiting DC++ bandwidth use while playing Counter-Strike)
    * WinTasks
    * StartRight

    --
    SIG: TAKE OFF EVERY 'CAPTAIN'!!
  564. smack by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What are the first 10 programs you would install on a Windows machine? How about for a Unix machine?

    How about for a Mac? Oh, that's right, Mac don't need reformatting on a monthly basis. Nevermind.

    And on that note, I'd like to add--

    *smack*

    What the--

    *smack*

    Ouch, damn it! What the heck? The mods are smacking me down to Troll! No! No!!!!

    *smack*

    Okay, that was for offtopic, which I admit, I deserved.

  565. My ten in windows and linux by macklin01 · · Score: 1

    Ah, heck, here goes. :)

    Windows:
    For working:
    • WinSCP: free secure ftp client to move work around
    • PuTTY: free SSH client as mentioned above
    • MinGW & MSYS: free C++ compiler and environment, with useful things such as grep
    • Matlab: student version of linear algebra sofware. Mostly used for visualization these days
    • Miktex: fantastic distro of LaTeX for Windows; for writing homework and scientific papers
    For additional productivity:
    • MS Powertoys / TweakUI: free download to specify documents folders, etc., and tweak other behavior; available at MS's site. Also "command prompt here" powertoy, etc.
    • Google Toolbar: iexplorer is good enough for me (might as well use i0t, since it's already in system memory) when coupled with the google bar and popup blocking.
    • Norton AntiVirus: not dumb enough to open attachments, but it's good to scan downloads before unzipping
    • stanford folding project: great for testing stability of the overclock while contributing to a good cause
    For fun:
    • Flavor of the Month Game Demo: I'm too cheap to buy most games, but I'm getting a lot of fun out of the Halo and FarCry demos at the moment.
    Linux (gentoo build from stage 1):
    For working:
    • X: because X tunneling is nice
    • OpenBox: I like their no-nonsense window manager
    • xv: great for quick viewing of graphics files
    • Intel's C++ Compiler: free C++ compiler in linux, and beats the pants off of G++ for fast-running code
    • Matlab: student version of linear algebra sofware. Mostly used for visualization these days
    • LaTeX: for writing homework and scientific papers
    For additional productivity:
    • Firefox: You all know this one.
    • nvidia drivers: gives better performance in matlab
    • stanford folding project: great for testing stability of the overclock while contributing to a good cause
    For fun:
    • fun? Linux is for working.
    --
    OpenSource.MathCancer.org: open source comp bio
  566. mplayer by nunya_biznez · · Score: 1

    I'm surprised no one has mentioned mplayer for windows yet. Yes, it exists! (I used to use VLC on windows until I found mplayer.) No, I will not submit the site to a /.-ing! find it on your own, or better yet, mirror it!

  567. My Top 10... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well if it's a Windows box my first install is a Linux CD...what are the first 10 apps that load there?

  568. top programs. by Foresto · · Score: 4, Informative


    NETWORKING

    * Mozilla Firefox
    * Firefox extensions: RadialContext, User Agent Switcher, bookmarklets, Magpie
    * Filezilla (an ftp client that looks a lot like CuteFTP)
    * Klipfolio (a news ticker / rss viewer)
    * Trillian (an instant messenger, with the microscopic skin)
    * PuTTY (a set of SSH clients)
    * Cygwin/X (a port of X11, including an X server)

    MEDIA

    * BSplayer (a media player that handles DivX files well, even on SMP machines)
    * foobar2000 (an audio player, uglier but leaner than Winamp)
    * AC3Filter (a DirectShow filter for decoding AC3 audio)
    * Subtitle Workshop (for converting between subtitle files of different formats)
    * HACP (a lightweight cd player that understands CD text and online CD databases)
    * IrfanView (an image viewer similar to ACD See)
    * XnView (another image viewer)
    * Exact Audio Copy (an excellent CD audio extractor)
    * Real Alternative (a replacement for Real Player, without the bloat)

    UTILITY

    * Ad-Aware (for finding and removing spyware from your computer)
    * Spybot - Search & Destroy (another spyware removal program)
    * AVG Anti-Virus (not crashy like Norton AV, but updated less frequently)
    * IZArc (an archive & file compression utility similar to WinZip)
    * pdf995 (for easily converting your documents to Adobe PDF files)
    * ListXP (a lightweight raw file viewer modeled after Vernon D. Buerg's list for DOS)

    1. Re:top programs. by SmilingBoy · · Score: 1
      AVG Anti-Virus (not crashy like Norton AV, but updated less frequently)
      It appears to me that AVG get's updated at least once a day actually!
    2. Re:top programs. by Bryce · · Score: 1

      For 2D drawing editing maybe try the Inkscape SVG editor (http://www.inkscape.org)

    3. Re:top programs. by aojay · · Score: 0

      Interesting list, I suppose... My top ten includes (besides the well-known hotfixes, and SPs from MS): 1) Vim/win32 2) UnxUtils 3) iTunes/win32 4) Mozilla Firefox 5) Mozilla Thunderbird 6) PuTTY 7) SSE IRIS/MFS 8) OpenOffice.org 9) WinRAR 10) TOAD

  569. Must install desktop software for WIndows and LInu by BenRussoUSA · · Score: 1

    When I am setting up a Debian Linux or Fedora Linux desktop all updates and packages handled through APT (except JAVA/Moz/Plugins) , so keeping ALL packages up2date with bug fixes and security patches is easy. Also installing software is simple. I could install everything on this list in just a few moments:
    fwbuilder (with iptables support in kernel)
    vncserver
    KDE 3.2 (with desktop sharing on top of XFree86)
    Mozilla recent nightly
    (all components with calendar, adblock & deep-sender)
    Kterm + openssh + ssh-key-agent
    Kopete
    Korn
    superkaramba w/ liquid weather, cynapses monitor
    Rdesktop & tightvnc viewer
    OpenOffice
    K3B
    xmms
    adobe acrobat
    flash-player (mozilla plugin)
    SUN Java JRE (for mozilla plugin)
    Community Supported REAL Player Client (and mozilla plugin)
    VLC (Video Lan Client)
    GIMP
    NMAP
    iftop
    tcpdump
    ethereal
    nessus
    ntop
    bash & fileutils & findutils & perl

    When I am setting up a windows box, (which could take all day!)
    Remote Desktop Sharing
    Norton Anti-Virus (with live update)
    Norton Utilities (run once a week)
    Zone Alarm (with auto-update)
    Ad-Aware (with auto-update)
    SpyBot (with auto-update)
    OpenOffice ( I usually have MS Office too, I switch back and forth)
    putty (suite, with pageant)
    winscp3
    recent nightly of Mozilla (with Calendar, adblock & deep-sender)
    cygwin X-server & ssh server & cron daemon & bash w/ perl
    trillian
    MusicBrainz
    winamp
    Flash/Shockwave/Java/QuickTime
    ethereal
    nmap
    nessus client
    gimp
    www.sysinternals.com free Windows Utilities

    Unfortunately at my company we are forced to use MS Office from time to time, and we are also heavily invested in Remedy, Netcool & Exchange.

  570. Partimage works fine on NTFS by waferhead · · Score: 5, Informative

    I reinstalled my sons Win2k box, (dual boot Linux) applied all patches, defragged, and shut down.

    Booted into Knoppix, made a bz2 compressed image of both his installs in ~5 minutes. Burned to 2 CDs.

    Wrote it back to disk, worked fine. Took ~3 min to overwrite.

    1. Re:Partimage works fine on NTFS by ltning · · Score: 1

      What kind of CPU do you have? bzip2 is SLOW, and any reasonably sized disk (several gigs) would probably take several hours to compress, and a bit less to decompress - in any case heaps more than your quoted 5 and 3 minutes.

      --
      Love over Gold.
    2. Re:Partimage works fine on NTFS by pnutjam · · Score: 2, Informative

      I use The Linux Rescue CD to do essentially the same thing. It has a slightly newer version of qtparted and partimage that seem to work better with fragmented NTFS files.
      I highly recommend it for imaging, it's free, my images take 5 minutes for a 2GB image on a 40GB disk, and the bz2 compression takes the 2GB image down to roughly 800MB, the partimage software will even automagically split the image file so you can fit it on a CD.

  571. First 10 programs to install on Windows by cool_st_elizabeth · · Score: 1

    For Win98 2nd edition: EditPlus, WS_FTP95 LE, Winamp, Adobe Reader 6, Panda Titanium Antivirus, Norton Utilities (not the antivirus), Irfanview, Pixie, mIRC, and the old DOS utility program List.

  572. Norton Commander by SensitiveMale · · Score: 1

    Yes, still the first one

  573. Ten Most Vital Programs by mishan · · Score: 1

    ssh
    wget
    build-essential
    bzip2
    X11
    fluxbox
    g krellm
    Eterm
    mozilla
    xchat

  574. Re:top programs. (oh yeah...) by Foresto · · Score: 1

    P.S. All those apps I listed above are freeware.

  575. First thing... by SCSI-Wan · · Score: 1

    Does modifying your XF86Config count?

    --

    But seriously, I usually install updated video drivers first. Following by XMMS, Xine with DVD support, RioUtil (for my mp3 player), JDK, and various mozilla plug-ins. Pretty much everything else comes already packaged.

  576. First, Second by AcmeShells.com · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I first format and install Windows, Wait about 10 minutes for all the viruses/worms to come in so I can watch it die just for the hell of it and then install a real OS like linux.

    Has anyone clocked how long it takes for a new install of xp to be infected with a virus? My latest install was 3 minutes

    --

    AcmeShells.com The cheapest Eggdrop
  577. Ugh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1)Miranda (http://www.miranda-im.org)
    2)MPlayer (http://www.mplayerhq.hu)
    3)Winamp (http://www.winamp.com)
    4)Waste (http://waste.sf.net)
    5)Ad-aware (http://www.lavasoft.de)
    6)Spybot (http://www.safer-networking.org)
    7)Dev-C++ (http://www.bloodshed.net)
    8)Nero (http://www.nero.com)
    9)Xvid codec (http://dvd.box.sk)
    10)Winrar (http://www.rarsoft.com)

    Miranda is for sure the best messenger that currently exists. It blows trillian and every other messenger away. Somebody should make something similar that works on open source os' (gaim sucks balls by the way. you don't think so? try miranda for one day, and you will realize that gaim is more gay than aol, and aol is very very very fag homo gay *#^$*@). Did I mention that miranda has support for every messenger protocol and that you can change it to be exactly the same way as the original ICQ client (docking, shortcuts, etc). And its only about 500kb download. This is a most awesome program!
    Mplayer is for sure the best media player there is. It plays every possible format there is. And also it will encode anything with its encoder (mencoder) that comes with it. There is a windows binary on mplayer's ftp site. It just doesn't get any better than that!
    Dev-C++ is a very good open source IDE for C/C++. Very nifty I must say. Up until just recently (before KDevelop was released) it was better than any other open source IDE.

  578. Simple reinstall solution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you run windows, there is a simple solution. Have three partitions on your disk. Have one for the windows system and installed software (a small one), another large one for data, and documents, media, ...., and a third, maybe small linux partition. Just tar and gz your whole windows file system on a fresh install with all of your installed programs. Then just periodically delete all of your files on the windows parition and untar your perfect partition from linux. This can automate the standard make-windows-work-again problem.

  579. Imaging? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why the heck would you go through the process of reinstalling an entire system? Just get Ghost and make an image of your system!

  580. I use MacOS X by mewyn · · Score: 3, Interesting

    And the first 10 apps I install are:

    Butler
    Vim (Cocoa)
    Firefox
    Fugu
    GPG
    GPG-Mail
    Fink
    Konfa bulator
    X-Chat
    Thunderbird (for newsgroups)

  581. My Windows List by dargaud · · Score: 1
    User interface, Windows system, Internals...
    • Aida32, hardware display and diagnotics
    • CoolTaskBar to sort out the mess (particularly in Windows 2000)
    • FreshUI, tweaking utility
    • TweakUI, same as FreshUi, but different options, these two combined give you a lot of different options.
    • PowerToys, tweaking utilities. In particular the [Send file name to clipboard] and other options which I cannot work on Windows without.
    • Get everything from SysInternals, a ton of wonderful stuff here, too much to mention, but will let you track every file access, every registry write, every debugging message. Tons of great command line tools too. For instance, ever wanted to delete a file only to get a "There has been a sharing violation. The source or destination file may be in use" message ? Where Windows doesn't even know for sure if the file is in use or not. Get Process Explorer from SysInternals.com and type the file name in its [Find][Find Handle] menu. Close or kill the appropriate process if necessary.
    • Desktop Manager or FlashDesktops, gives you 4 desktops just like on Linux.
    • Alt-Tab Replacement, Gives a screenshot of window Alt-Tabbing, useful when you have multiple unsaved docs open, etc...
    • OpenCommandWindowHere, right-click on folder option to open command prompt window at that folder, useful for deep or complicated folder names
    • Memstat XP, lets you monitor memory usage in tray, small and simple but not that useful.
    • NetMeter, lets you monitor network usage in the tray, small and simple but does not seem to work on all types of network interfaces. Online Eye Pro works better and has lots more options, it's based on WinPCap just like Ethereal (see below).
    • TrayMeter, lets you monitor cpu usage in the tray, small and simple.
    • WinRAR, unzip anything you want, supports tar.gz, zip, rar, arc, and much more.

    Network Utilities

    • Xmanager, excellent X-windows manager.
    • FreshDownload, Download Manager
    • ssh, scp, wget, rsync... comes on CYGWIN
    • Putty (and friends), ssh client and other utils (but ssh is part of cygwin and works just as well)
    • WinSCP, a wonderful SCP/SFTP client for windows (scp is part of Cygwin but this is easier to use)
    • NetScanTools a GUI interface for most command line tools also found in cygwin
    • WebDrive, mount various types of network protocols (ftp, http, ssh) as local drives, buggy but useful (RiverFront)
    • POPfile the best spam remover I've found so far (works with outlook express and any app)
    --
    Non-Linux Penguins ?
  582. top 10 times 3 by mzipay · · Score: 3, Interesting

    i usually do the reinstall dance every 3-6 months. the steps remain relatively constant, unless i find a new app to replace a former favorite.

    on Windows:
    1. Adaptec drivers to access installations kept on cd-rw media
    2. Kerio Personal Firewall
    3. AVG Anti-Virus
    3. PowerArchiver
    4. gVim
    5. Firefox
    6. AbiWord
    7. Acrobat Reader
    8. Python
    9. JDK/WTK
    10. The Sims

    on Linux:
    1. grub
    2. blackbox
    3. rxvt
    4. gkrellm
    5. Firefox
    6. Thunderbird
    7. Python
    8. JDK/WTK
    9. (rebuild stock kernel)
    10. (build latest 2.6 series kernel)

    on Mac:
    1. Apple Developer Tools
    2. X (Apple)
    3. Firefox
    4. Fink
    5. blackbox
    6. apache2/berkeley db/subversion
    7. mysql
    8. php
    9. SubEthaEdit
    10. ArgoUML

  583. Top 100+ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    After Office + Visual Studio + Services Pack, setting up services configuration and playing a bit with TweakXP, a defrag and a ghost here's what i generally end up with:

    Coding: ActiveState Perl & Python (+ wxWindows), Borland Command line tools, IDA, Masm + Nasm + Tasm, Most of Sysinternal tools, MS Visual Studio (and various SDK/DDK), NUMega Smartcheck (sometimes), NUMega SoftICE, Ollydbg, PEExplorer, ProcDump, ProcessViewer, Several API viewers, STrace, StructLook, The Customizer, Various decompilers (java/vb/swf/...), WDasm

    Files/Harddisk/Command line: 4Dos, BCWipe, CloneCD/DVD, Cygwin, Daemon Tools, DiskData, FileRecovery, FSRaid, Ghost, McAffee, Nero, PowerArchiver, QuickView+, Total Commander, Win/DriveImage

    Games/Emu: BZFlag, CCS64/CB64/Frodo/Vice, Mame, Snes9x, Tetrinet, Tibia, UAE

    Media: ACDSee, ArtGem, AudioCatalyst, Codecs Pack, Cool3d, CoolEdit, Divx Player, DVDShrink, HyperSnapdx, ListFonts, MicroAngelo, Modplug, PaintShop Pro, PhotoImpact, Photoshop, PowerDVD, QuickTime, RealPlayer, RipPack, SIDPlay, SmartSavers, VirtualDUB/NANDub, Winamp, WinDVD, YAAVIInfo, ZoomPlayer

    Net: Bookmark Converter, Copernic, Ethereal (+winpcap), FlashFXP, Get Right, Hyena, Internet Anywhere Toolkit, Inzider, mIRC, Netcat, Newsbin, Newsbot, NMap, Opera, ProxyTools, Putty, Retina, Serv-U, Teleport Pro, Trillian, VNC, Xenu, ZoC

    P2P: Direct Connect, EMule, Kazaa, Morpheus

    Tools: Acrobat Reader, AdAware, Advanced Administrative tools, Automate, Babylon, CopyPaste, Mathematica, NTReskit, Passware, PDF Creator, RegHance, TI Calc software + emulator, TweakUI, UltraEdit

    And of course a little ghost after that. All in all I takes a little over a day to have everything up and running, I generally dont need to install anything for 6 month after that. Just restoring images once a month (30/40 minutes max), and keep up to date with patches.

  584. after a fresh debian install.. by _aa_ · · Score: 1
  585. First 10 programs... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well the first program i install solves all virus and 95% of "hotfix" issue, and it is known as MAC OS X (10.3) Hey look mommy! No antivirus! (for those who dont know - there are no known viruses yet for Macs and the only thing the virus scanners do is search for PC viruses lol)

    O thats right there is no blaster.

    The other 9 programs i install are installed for me... the iApps (iTunes, iPhoto, iDVD, GarageBand) Apple X11, Apple Xcode, MSN Messenger (that will be replaced soon :P), Safari, iChat and Microshit Office.

  586. Reinstall? by ^Case^ · · Score: 1
    $ last | tail -n 1
    wtmp begins Thu Oct 3 17:18:04 2002

    $ uname -sr
    Linux 2.6.5-gentoo-r1
    And still running sweet...
    1. Re:Reinstall? by Beaker1 · · Score: 1

      Advise: #emerge logrotate

      --
      "Who hasn't slipped into the break room for a quick nibble on a love Newton before?" - Mr. Peterman.
  587. Re:On MacOS X - different twist by axle_512 · · Score: 1

    One nice thing about OS X is the list of stuff I don't have to install.

    Top 10 items that I am glad are already installed out of the box for me:

    1. ssh
    2. pdf viewer (preview whips acrobat reader)
    3. Safari (I like better than Firefox, my opinion)
    4. iTunes
    5. firewall (disabled by default)
    6. Mail.app (works with pop, imap, MS exchange)
    7. Quicktime
    8. Java SDK and VM
    9. Apache Web Server
    10. iPhoto

  588. In No Particular Order (Windoze) by ewhac · · Score: 1

    VirtuaWin - Virtual desktop manager

    PuTTY - SSH client

    WinSCP - GUI-based SSH file copier

    Mozilla - The Web browser

    CygWin - UNIX-like command line tools and environment

    FuhQuake - QuakeWorld client with advanced rendering.

    Vim - text editor extraordinaire

    VoodooLights - screen saver (alas, no longer supported or available)

    TweakUI - Allows tweaking of various Windows UI details

    DeliPlayer 2 - music player, including support for "MOD" formats

    Schwab

  589. Actually... by Wingie · · Score: 1

    While not Linux:

    1 - Blackbox for Windows (explorer != good shell)
    2 - ObjectDock (Windows taskbar != good interface)
    3 - WindowBlinds (XP default theme == waste of space)

    So by the time I'm here on my list, my computer no longer looks like a Windows box. (As much as I like Macs, I can't afford one. And I need Flash MX compatibility so no Linux--it doesn't run very well under WINE.)

  590. 1st in XP by peu · · Score: 1

    put a password in the administrator account:

    regedit
    HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\W indows NT\CurrentVersion\Winlogon\SpecialAccounts\UserLis t

    Create the following entry:

    Administrator: REG_DWORD

    Assign a value of 1.

    Close Registry Editor.

    Reboot.

    assign password

    if you want put the 0 value to hide again the admin account.

    then go with your usual 10 progs.

    Mine: winzip/gaim/winrar/winamp/eudora/ms office/coreldraw/photoshop/cuteftp pro/opera

  591. Um...I only reinstall when I get a new computer/hd by djplurvert · · Score: 1

    I guess I've forgotten how flakey windows is. I have several machines with Linux/FreeBSD/OSX and I have only reinstalled them when I get new hardware.

    I guess I used to reinstall windows far more often, but it's been a loooooong time.

    plurvert

  592. On my Gentoo system... by travail_jgd · · Score: 1
    Here's the first ten programs I install after the base system:
    1. KDE. While it's technically not a "program", it's got my email program of choice (KMail), and a bunch of smaller utilities (calculator, etc)
    2. Mozilla as my primary web browser (I don't care for Konqueror)
    3. OpenOffice
    4. XMMS (for MP3s and CDs)
    5. GAIM (instant messaging)
    6. Yahoo Messenger (redundant, I know)
    7. Logjam (a Livejournal client that handles multiple accounts well)
    8. XChat (IRC)
    9. Gimp
    10. Acrobat Reader

    Many days I don't use many more programs than these.
  593. After umpteen SPs and patches... by Kazoo+the+Clown · · Score: 1

    I'll then add the following:

    Kerio Personal Firewall 2.1.5 (I like it better than the new one)
    Proxomitron Naoko 4.5 (June version) (an absolute must)
    MKS Toolkit
    Stuffit Expander
    Putty
    Ethereal
    Adobe Acrobat
    Force ASPI
    K-Lite mega codec pack + Real Alternative and Quicktime Alternative codecs
    PTFB (Push The Freakin' Button)

    -- Kaz

  594. Contents of my install "thumb" drive. by OgGreeb · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I keep a 250MB USB flash drive loaded with these installers for when I go to my friends and families' houses and have to fix their computers. This, plus a Bart's PE WinXP boot disk and a SP1-slipstreamed XP install disk pretty much can get me to the point of pulling down anything else I need from the Internet. Which ten are most important depends on the computer and the person I'm helping.

    • Adobe Acrobat Reader 6
    • AIM 5.5
    • DirectX 9
    • DiVX codec
    • D-Link DWL-122 WLAN drivers for the "thumb" wireless LAN adapter I also carry.
    • ITunes 4.21 (includes QuickTime install). QCD and/or Winamp 5.
    • Java RE
    • LimeWire
    • McAfee VirusScan Enterprise 7.01. I update the SuperDAT file once a month at least.
    • Lavasoft Ad-Aware 6
    • Mozilla Firefox
    • Nero 5
    • PuTTY and WinSCP
    • Macromedia Shockwave
    • Timbuktu Pro
    • TimeRC 3.0
    • Tweak UI powertoy
    • WCPUID
    • WinZip 9
    • Zone Alarm (free version(
    • As many of the MS hotfixes as can fit. Learning how to slip-stream these would be useful, but I would have to burn a new disk every month to keep up.

    If I can get a bigger thumb drive, I would add PowerDVD, the XP SP1, all the hotfixes, Audiograbber, Mozilla Thunderbird, a VNC client and server, Retrospect Desktop and one game. I'd like to add Partition Magic and Ghost but can't figure out how to use it and stay legal under the licensing. I will also add an OpenOffice disk when I get a moment.

    If I encounter Win9x I make them upgrade before I will help them (I'll perform the upgrade if they ask.) I make them pay for the licenses for anything I use though. I also make sure they have a backup protocol and run at least one backup so I don't have to repeat my work.

    --
    -- Gary Goldberg KA3ZYW 301/249-6501 AIM:OgGreeb Digital Marketing Inc., Bowie, MD //www.digimark.net/
  595. Honesty about the Mac by adzoox · · Score: 1

    Honestly a Mac comes with everything one needs and I would seriously have to debate if the 1st 10 programs I would need aren't already installed from the default DVD or CD restores:

    1) iTunes
    2) AppleWorks (reads my word, excel and creates them too)
    3) DVD Player
    4) Quicken
    5) Safari
    6) iPhoto
    7) Garageband
    8) Quicktime
    9) iMovie/iDVD - same purpose so lumped together
    10) iChat AV

    Of course my decent CD burning software is built in.

    Those are my first 10 - but then there's Photoshop, Toast, Real player, Windows media Player, Graphic Converter, Salling Clicker and other stuff.

    --
    Yell & scream & rant & rave... it's no use... you need a shaaaave ~ Bugs Bunny
  596. oi! you insenstive clod by real_smiff · · Score: 1

    I mentioned IrfanView! haha. give me the karma ;) btw does it bug anyone else that in a multi-user XP environment they have to modify the install (e.g. I do INI_Folder=%USERPROFILE%\Application Data\IrfanView in program files\i_view32.ini) to keep MRUDs seperate? Still i'm grateful to the IV author of course.. wouldn't view porn slideshows with anything less! :D

    --

    This is my Sig, this is my Gun. One is for Slashdot and one is for Fun.

  597. no kidding! by KGBear · · Score: 1

    No need to tell us you use Windows... Why else would you want to reformat once a month? Unless you are like so many of the kids who plague the venerable field of Eletronic Data Processing (as it should still be called instead of IT or the buzzword of the moment) for whom the computer is a toy. You know, you need to have the latest biggest fastest hard drive, the latest fastest memory, the latest processor; you will happily fork out a few hundreds of dollars for that extra decimal point on you processor clock. You don't care what you're going to do with it, it's new and you want it. Kids, gotta lov'em!

  598. Few programs suck as much as Acrobat by plover · · Score: 1
    I agree with all your sentiments, although "overused" is an odd complaint. "Used at all" might be better.

    First and foremost, I despise being locked into the Acrobat-only interpretation of the format. Not that I hate Adobe { you PostScript love if {honk} } but I don't want a separate viewer just to look at stupid text files.

    I have dozens of programs that I'd rather use, all of which don't have GUIs that suck as bad as Acrobat. I don't like having to click to accept a license agreement I have no intention of honoring. I don't like Windows launching yet another process to show me a friggin' web page. I also get to spend far too many seconds watching a useless splash screen list off dozens of hated software patents while unneeded module after unneeded module loads up, consuming 16MB in the process, just to display a 65kb file that contains less than 4,000 actual characters. Finally, Windows keeps the lame-ass process hanging around like an ex-girlfriend until I close my browser! Adobe also flagrantly violates the Microsoft GUI guidelines, for they obviously know better than Redmond how people use mice and keyboards on Microsoft's own products. Whether you like it or not when you're in Rome you better do as the friggin' Romans do.

    I also want to be able to manipulate any and every file I receive. That means copy, paste, shuffle, paint, edit, everything, anything. A reader-only is a complete waste of both bytes and braincells. And a mostly-opaque file format prevents me from working the way I'm used to working. So, I occasionally have to put up with Acrobat. So I always end up fighting the cursor in Acrobat, trying to make it work the way every other program works on this box. Why does Adobe think they're better? I don't care about the cross-platform experience, I don't give a sh!t how it works on a Mac or on Linux. As a Windows user, it should feel native, and it doesn't -- not by a long shot.

    And no thank you, I don't want, nor will I use, an open-source module to display PDFs in Ghostscript. It's still a separate viewer, and I still have most all of the problems listed above, just fewer that say Adobe when loading. I really simply want PDFs to go away, forever and ever. Failing that, if they were handled natively in Mozilla, I might not bitch as much. :-)

    Of course that's just my opinion. I could be wrong.

    --
    John
    1. Re:Few programs suck as much as Acrobat by efishta · · Score: 1

      Finally, Windows keeps the lame-ass process hanging around like an ex-girlfriend until I close my browser!

      You're in for a surprise if you really think that. When you open a PDF file using the standalone reader, it will close when you close the program. However, as a plugin, once you close that window or go back to browsing the net, Acrobat32.exe will stay in memory and will not close. The only way to close it is to either open another PDF file with the standalone reader and exit it, or kill the process in task manager.

  599. heres my setup! by Lucia_Inverse · · Score: 1

    windows 2003 server standard (updates ofcourse next then chipset, audio and video drivers then tweaking stuff so things run right and taking out the annoying shutdown log etc) nav coporate avant browser Trillian palm desktop (tapwave zodiac) everquest nero dvd shrink ITMS power dvd (need my kill bill vol 1 backround ;-) ) this is usualy done with major hardware changes and or every few months (im holding out for my athlon 64 board and chip before doing it next)

  600. The first thing I install on a Windows machine... by mark-t · · Score: 1
    ... is Linux.

    Get rid of Windows entirely.

  601. My 10 most important programs by NiklasD · · Score: 2, Informative

    1. Acrobat Reader
    2. XP Antispy
    3. Mozilla Firefox
    4. Mozilla Thunderbird
    5. OpenOffice.org
    6. Crimson Editor (one of the best free Windows text editors)
    7. WinAmp
    8. SSH client (from SSH com, my university has a campus license)
    9. IrfanView (Image editor/viewer/thumbnail browser)
    10. TweakUI

    --

    Don't drink and sudo

  602. really, it's not the programs by unclefungus · · Score: 1

    The first thing I do on ANY box is goto every option there is and set it back to the way I had it! then I install all my drivers, updates, and programs and set all thier options correctly. It's a really big hassle on a windows box.

  603. Windows must haves? by Merlinium · · Score: 1

    Steps and programs: 1) Windows OS and all Updates. (though I am currently working with a program to install the patches along with the OS in an unattended Install using a version of CDIMAGE) 2) Ulitmatezip (I like it better for GUI reasons) 3) Adaware 6.0 4) Directx 9 5) Updated Drivers for all the hardware 6) Any other OS patches not found earlier 7) Daemon Tools 8) TweakUI 9) Powerstrip 10) Ghost (and make a Image for future Reinstallations)

    --
    If firefighters fight fire and crime fighters fight crime, what do Freedom fighters fight?
  604. My first applications. by readpunk · · Score: 1

    After I install FreeBSD...

    cvsup-without-gui
    portupgrade

    8)))))))))))))))

    --

    ./revolution
  605. Grub by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I install grub... How else can I get work done after playing Counter-Strike?

  606. Ten? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    On a Mac -
    1. Illustrator
    2. Photoshop (mostly for scanning)
    3. Savitar (muck client)
    4. Launchbar (hypercompact program/file launcher)
    5. Fire (IM client)
    6. Expression (natural media illustration for us vector-heads)
    7. Painter (natural media for most people)
    8. Camino (Gecko-based browser with pure Aqua UI)
    9. Flash (with great reluctance)
  607. what about yellow dog? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I hear that gets rid of "reality distortion" fields.

    1. Re:what about yellow dog? by kitzilla · · Score: 1
      I've used Yellow Dog Linux. It's a great choice for older iBooks, but of no use at all if you're someone who needs commercialware like Adobe CS or Corel.

      In any case, YDL 3 is long overdue for an update. It still ships with old versions of KDE and Gnome, and the 2.6 kernel seems nowhere in sight. Looks like Terrasoft is really absorbed in their new Linux for the IBM 970 chip.

      --
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  608. An Interesting Story by Rie+Beam · · Score: 2, Interesting

    This reminds me of a few weeks ago when we got our new computer from Dell. The first thing I did, while he was asleep, was gut the bastard of pretty much all of their "optional" software - I freed about 5GB total, not to mention countless hours of headaches. Then from there I had explicit instructions not to get online - but of course I had to, seeing as the shipped version of Norton was several updates behind. Of course all hellfire broke loose after he woke up and, god-forbid, found me online!

    "Why the hell are you online! I haven't backed-up the system!"
    "Back-up? It's a new computer! It came with the install disk! What would you have to back-up?"
    "Really? Well, still, I don't want this thing to get any viruses!"
    "I've only been downloading patches."
    "Still!"
    "Are you suggesting Norton Anti-Virus is going to infect us with a virus?"
    "You never know!"

    Needless to say, I try to keep away from him as much as possible. And if this is off-topic, may the mods strike me down fully.

    PS: I didn't have the heart to tell him Windows XP auto-connected to the internet to register itself upon first boot.

    1. Re:An Interesting Story by wk633 · · Score: 1

      I install ZoneAlarm from disk before pluging in a network cable. I've seen WinXP get worms during windowsupdate.

    2. Re:An Interesting Story by Lehk228 · · Score: 1

      you have to enable ICF, and boot the system with the network cable unplugged.

      --
      Snowden and Manning are heroes.
  609. ...some free ones by matgorb · · Score: 1

    on W2K Mozilla Filezilla OpenOffice Gaim 7zip XnView Foobar2000 Media Player Classic PHPEdit ...and Emule plus

  610. Everything I need is allready installed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I use Mandrake. It contains and installs everything I need. Office tools, browsers, email clients, xine, cd burners, etc..

    I pity people using windows, when they are done installing the OS they have a useless system and are forced to make top 10's with usefull software.

  611. My Firsts... by MattyCobb · · Score: 1

    On windows its Firefox, Gaim, Thunderbird, Filezilla, KazaaLite (yay oldversions.com) and Photoshop. Pretty much in that order. On Linux it really depends on the distro (because they all come with random stuff now) but usually Mplayer, Java, Limewire, and CrossOver and then all the stuff I put in Crossover.

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    Matt
    You have 1 Moderator Point! Use it or lose it! Is that a threat? -vapid
  612. First 10 by BCW2 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    In linux:
    none, everything I need comes with Suse or Red Hat. Things I want: firebird, download and install.

    In Windows:
    1. F-Prot the best AV.
    2. Norton Systemworks
    3. Mozilla
    4. Open Office
    5. Battlefield 1942, R to R, SW
    6. Battlefield Vietnam
    7. Medal of Honor AA, S, B,
    8. Harry Potter for the kids
    9. Enigma Rising tide
    10. other games

    After all real work is done in a secure environment and games are played on toys.

    --
    Professional Politicians are not the solution, they ARE the problem.
  613. Top Ten by Sniper_Peabody · · Score: 1

    My Ten must have Windoze programs are

    1. Eudora
    2. SecureCRT (SSH, SSH2, Telnet etc)
    3. F-Secure Anti-Virus (Thanks to all the e-mail worms flying about)
    4. PowerDVD
    5. iTunes
    6. UltimateZip
    7. NetScan Tools
    8. WS FTP LE
    9. ICQ
    10. Insert violent video game of choice here (Have to do something to burn off the stress created by having to rebuild due to M$ bit-rot)

  614. i........ by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    iTunes
    iPhoto
    TextEdit
    iDVD
    iCal
    iChat
    iMovi e
    Terminal
    Safari
    Mail ... oh wait.. those are already there! How about these...

    Apple Dev Tools
    Adium
    OmniDictionary
    MacJournal
    OmniGraf fle
    WeatherPop
    GeekTool
    NetNewswire Lite

  615. My installs by Ichoran · · Score: 2, Interesting

    For a Windows machine:

    (1) Patches. If I'm lucky, these complete before I've caught a virus.
    (2) Mozilla. Never use IE again.
    (3) PuTTY. Remote login to my unix machine.

    Done!

    For a Unix machine:

    (1) joe
    (2) LyX
    (3) octave
    (4) IceWM

    Everything else I need is usually preinstalled.

  616. on a windows system... by lightray · · Score: 1

    1. Mozilla
    2. Mindterm SSH (er, and the JRE I guess)
    3. Exceed
    3 1/2. Adobe Acrobat Reader

    Note that the above turn Windows into an excellent dumb terminal. (-:

    5. TextPad
    6. LaTeX
    7. Matlab

    8. vmware
    9. MSVC6
    10. OpenOffice

  617. Restore from image by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In Windows, I generally try to keep a nice clean image of my system that I can blast with the important software already installed. Some of the most important programs are:

    • Word Perfect
    • UltraEdit-32
    • gvim
    • PowerDVD
    • WinAmp
    • Acrobat reader
    • OpenOffice
    • PGP
    • Firefox
    • AdAware, Spybot S&D and SpywareBlaster (yes, all three)
    • a collection of unix-like command line utilities

    Most of what I need in Linux gets installed with the OS, but I do tend to add PureFTPD and elm, and sometimes recompile some of the other packages with options other than the distro defaults.

  618. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 1

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  619. "Good Software" site? by jeff+munkyfaces · · Score: 1

    For a long time now i've been looking for/dreaming of a site that lists _good_ free software/web tools Something similar to those listed on this site, but all on one easy to navigate site, with reviews of what they do, direct link to download, and _one person_ overseeing it all - eliminating the crud. on my desk by monday, thanks.

  620. Security update CD by Mr+44 · · Score: 1

    I think this is what your looking for: Order the Windows Security Update CD.

    ps- I found the link by typing windows update CD in the search box on microsoft.com

    1. Re:Security update CD by CJSpil · · Score: 1

      Ok so I'm lazy too! I must confess I haven't tried looking for it for a while... tend to be using FreeBSD more for my desktop needs these days!

      Anyway, thanks for the info!

      --
      For people who like peace and quiet. A phoneless cord!
    2. Re:Security update CD by Awptimus+Prime · · Score: 1

      Yeah, too much exposure to the ports tree will make anyone a lazy slob.

  621. First 0x10 apps to install on Windows by achacha · · Score: 1

    0. Microsoft patches/fixes
    1. Mozilla Firefox (and lots of extensions)
    2. Spybot - Search & Destroy
    3. AVG
    4. MS Visual Studio NET 2003
    5. cygwin
    6. WinAmp 5.0
    7. InfraView
    8. DivX (codec only)
    9. Open Office
    A. Eclipse and J2SE 1.4xxx
    B. TightVNC
    C. MySQL admin client
    D. Ultra Edit 32
    E. Python
    F. PuTTY
    10. Trillian

  622. My choices: by Wolfier · · Score: 1

    Windows machine:
    1. Windows update
    2. Gvim
    3. Mozilla Firebird
    4. IrfanView32
    5. Sun's Java VM
    6. WinAmp
    7. VNC Viewer
    8. IM client
    9. FrHed (Hex Editor)
    10. Half-Life + CounterStrike

    Linux Machine (provided that it has the basic GNU packages):
    1. Kernel update and drivers
    2. Curl or Wget
    3. X and drivers
    4. Mozilla Firebird
    5. KDE
    6. Gvim
    7. Sun's Java VM
    8. Gaim
    9. XMMS
    10. Wine and Windows games (see above)

  623. mine by kalpol · · Score: 1

    Windows Service Pack whatever
    Office XP
    WetSock
    Acdsee 2.1
    Macromedia Studio
    Adobe Acrobat
    Paint Shop Pro
    PowerDVD
    WinDAC

    well ok Linux:

    djbdns
    qmail
    openoffice
    apache

    ehh.....can't think of any more....why did I even bother posting? who knows. this mishmash will be lost in the other 1097 posts anyway.

    --
    12:50 - press return.
  624. On OSX by alfredo · · Score: 2, Informative

    Fink
    Fink Commander
    Cocktail
    FireFox
    Thunderbird
    Gimp
    T ex-Edit Plus
    OO
    GraphicConverter
    Mu Commander

    --
    photosMy Photostream
    1. Re:On OSX by tyldis · · Score: 1

      Why are *all* replies mentioning OSX modded up? I'm sure if you count tose '5, Informative' you end up higher than Linux and Windows posts together.

      Must be full moon.

  625. What to install? by Packets · · Score: 1

    Hi, I'm a linux user.

    When I sit down at someone else's windows computer, I do the following:

    http://www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/ - the download link is in the top left corner
    http://www.google.com/search?q=putty+downl oad - save as.. C:\windows\putty.exe

    After these two pieces of software are installed I can almost successfully ignore I'm on a windows box. That is, until I realise I've either got to use the rodent or alt-tab to switch programs.

    Alt-tab is my No.1 reason for hating microsoft (and don't bother suggesting lots of different interface shells I could install, because all the windows machines I use are OTHER PEOPLEs - if I wanted to install something sane I'd install debian).

    --
    A little overkill never hurt anybody.
  626. reinstall?? restore!! by grikdog · · Score: 1

    Reinstalling is too complex. I keep a battery of little Firewire external hd's and a set of system image backups. Much quicker, and reformatting-restoring has the added benefit of defragging as a side effect.

    --
    ``Tension, apprehension & dissension have begun!'' - Duffy Wyg&, in Alfred Bester's _The Demolished Man_
  627. my list by dirvish · · Score: 1

    I just created such a list last week in anticipation of an OS reload: http://web.csuchico.edu/~ka58/software.htm

  628. FreeBSD by pjwhite · · Score: 1

    1. Full install of all FreeBSD distribution sets
    2. elm
    3. XFree86
    4. The Gimp
    5. ImageMagick
    6. Xscreensaver
    7. setiathome
    8. nedit
    9. mpeg_encode & mpeg_play
    10. my collection of custom programs and utilities

  629. Registry Backup by persaud · · Score: 1

    RegSafe will backup, diff and rollback the registry. Worth every dollar after you've installed 100 apps and the 101st app decides to trash your OS.

    Official instructions from Microsoft.

    1. Re:Registry Backup by rgarcia · · Score: 1

      OR, you could just use system restore...
      Wouldn't this be basically the same thing?

      --

      I couldn't fail to disagree with you less.

    2. Re:Registry Backup by persaud · · Score: 1

      I'm not yet on XP. Looks like WinXP's System Restore = RegSafe absorbed into the OS. Can you export or archive registry snapshots?

    3. Re:Registry Backup by rgarcia · · Score: 1

      Can't export or archive; you just know it's tucked away nice and safe on your HDD (sarcasm)

      --

      I couldn't fail to disagree with you less.

  630. Re:Lamest. Ask Slashdot. Ever. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    enough people give a fuck to make this the most replied to story i've seen in ages..

  631. My list by milsim · · Score: 1

    Obviously I'm assuming that using Ghost doesn't count, so here's the list: 1. Drivers, Windows updates 2. Total Commander 3. AVG Antivirus 4. EditPlus 5. Mozilla 6. DScaler (TV) 7. Nero 8. MinGW and Cygwin 9. Java SDK 10. Acrobat

  632. My first 10 by sdjunky · · Score: 2, Funny

    W32.Bugbear.A@mm
    W32.Bugbear.B@mm
    W32.Bugbear.C@ mm
    W32.Bugbear.D@mm
    W32.Bugbear.E@mm
    W32.Netsky .Y@mm
    W32.Mydoom.I@mm
    Gator
    W32.Beagle.W@mm
    W3 2.Slime

    hmm.. maybe I should install a firewall first?... NAHHHH

  633. First 10 Linux programs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    portsentry-1.1 (I have kept my tar file)
    Sendmail (milter)

    libsnert

    dcc

    razor-agents-sdk

    razor-agents

    milter-spamc (spam control with milter)

    antiword (sometimes you just want the facts)

    snort

    acid (snort)



    Yep, that about does it!

  634. What I install is . . . by SAJChurchey · · Score: 1

    Windows Service Packs
    AVG Anti-Virus
    BlackICE Firewall
    GAIM
    Winzip
    Firefox
    OpenOffice
    Putty
    eMule
    Sun Java 2 SDK

  635. Unless you still use Windows 2000... by weedenbc · · Score: 2, Interesting

    There is an interesting "feature" of Windows 2000 that will not let you make a bootable image of the OS. To put it simply, when you make an image the OS doesn't give root access to the swapfile. So when it goes to startup it can't access the swapfile. The catch-22 is that with win2k you can't load the shell without a swapfile and you can't fix the swapfile without the shell.

    The only fix is to either move to WinXP and turn off the swapfile or change a registry setting to delete the swapfile on shutdown and recreate on startup. And this problem happens with Partition Magic (my tool of choice), Drive Image, and Ghost.

    --

    "Trying is only the first step towards failure." - Homer
    1. Re:Unless you still use Windows 2000... by slaker · · Score: 1

      Psst. Do a google for "Windows PE" sometime. It's a happy, beautiful thing. Other than the fact that it's based on XP, I mean, which I guess makes it a sad, emotionally scarring thing.

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      -- I wanna decide who lives and who dies - Crow T. Robot, MST3K
  636. 10 first by gspr · · Score: 1

    Unix: Considering the fact that I use Gentoo, and the installation only gives me a core GNU system, some "extras" like OpenSSH, and the Linux kernel, I would do:
    -Vim
    -An X implementation
    -nVidia proprietary drivers (forgive me Linus, for I have sinned... I mean it)
    -KDE
    -XMMS
    -Mozilla Firefox
    -MPlayer with codecs
    -OpenOffice
    -XPDF
    -X-Chat/irssi

  637. this is a boring list... by vistic · · Score: 1
    1. McAfee VirusScan
    2. latest Mozilla suite (Firefox if on an older machine)
    3. WinAmp 2.91 Lite
    4. WinZip and WinRAR
    5. MS Office
    6. TweakUI/PowerToys
    7. Java 2 SDK
    8. TextPad
    9. Adobe Acrobat
    10. Yahoo Messenger
  638. Win2K/Bryce/PHP by 6Yankee · · Score: 1

    Over 2 years with the current Win2K install (what the hell is the original poster doing?), and it's behaving relatively well (touch wood), but if I had to start from scratch tomorrow I'd probably do something like this:

    • Norton Internet Security
    • Mozilla
    • Netscape 4 (an abortion, I only use it for testing)
    • ICQ (might go for Trillian if it supports ICQ chat now)
    • Bryce 4
    • GIMP
    • Apache
    • PHP
    • MySQL
    • PFE

    AdAware would follow soon but isn't critical to getting up and running - I recently ran it for the first time and had only a handful of nasties (single figures).

    Other stuff would get downloaded and installed on a Bint (Bollocks! I need that!) basis.

    Heh - as I was typing this Norton caught a copy of Netsky inbound. Can't believe I used to work without AV or firewall, what the hell was I thinking?

  639. Mine are... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Winace, winamp, Sound forge 5, Cool Edit Pro 2, Photoshop 6, Dreamweaver 4, Simcity 4000, Civilization III, Fruityloops - I mean FL Studio, and last but not least Waves Gold plugin bundle.

    Yes I know I'm using old versions. I like them better. (I mean sound forge 6 is just a one-track version of Vegas).

    Guess I'll post anon so nobody rat-finks to the BSA...

  640. winrar new? What a moron! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It used to be called differently when we used it on OS/2 but the rar archiver is not new.

    I prefer it over any other when using winblows.
    Nothing comes close to winrar for winblows. And if you're too cheap to buy it steal it like other
    winblows thiefs or get a life.

    When using a decent Operating System I use
    tar with gzip and bzip2
    and sometimes zip

  641. you crazy!!??! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have content on my HD from 10+ years ago. Formatting is simply nuts, I would rather purchase a new HD, copy the content of my old HD to the new one then format.

  642. On GNU/Linux boxes by BrianWCarver · · Score: 2, Informative

    ...most of these are already installed for me in the standard installs of the various distros I try, but I consider these ten pretty crucial:

    1. Mozilla
    2. OpenOffice.org
    3. Straw (RSS Aggregator)
    4. Thunderbird (w/ Enigmail)
    5. Evolution (which may soon be replaced by the amazing Mozilla Calendar)
    6. Gaim
    7. Gimp
    8. XCDRoast
    9. xmms
    10. Xine/gXine

    --
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  643. Here it goes... by Slime-dogg · · Score: 1
    • winXPSvcPak1Crack.exe
    • Wireless NIC Software
    • Ad-Aware
    • Windows Updates / Service Pack 1
    • Various mobo / video / sound drivers
    • AVG
    • Diablo II, NWN, UT, Q3A, etc.

    The only thing I use that machine for is gaming. I dislike the propspect of calling MS to re-register (I reformat once every two months, or so it seems), so I use the Corporate version. After that, it's just important to make sure that it doesn't get hacked immediately.

    Everything else happens under Gentoo. I know that I could run NWN, UT, and Q3A in Linux, but the 3-D acceleration isn't as good (different hardware.)

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  644. My First 10 by SphericalCrusher · · Score: 1

    Windows

    1. IDLE
    2. Quake 3
    3. MoZilla
    4. iTunes
    5. Macromedia Dreamweaver MX 2004
    6. Adobe Photoshop CS
    7. Open Office
    8. Ad-Aware
    9. mIRC
    10. DevC++

    Linux

    1. NMap
    2. AOL Instant Messenger (AIM > GAIM)
    3. MoZilla (Firefox)
    4. WineX
    5. Steam
    6. Dev C++
    7. xIRC (If it did not come preinstalled)
    8. AutoFTP
    9. Doctor Web
    10. LimpOo

    But of course, I go on to install about 20 more...

    --
    "Instant gratification takes too long." - Carrie Fisher
  645. first 10 by oyenstikker · · Score: 2, Informative

    When I set up windows machines for friends:
    1. Cygwin
    2. VNC server
    3. Bash script for cygwin to SSH tunnel to my machine so I can access VNC server.
    4. Gaim (so I can chat while waiting for #5 to download)
    5. OpenOffice.org
    6. Firefox
    7. Flash plugin
    8. SpyBot
    9. Winamp (version 2)
    10. Realplayer (free version 8)

    --
    The masses are the crack whores of religion.
  646. Use Ghost by Jamesie · · Score: 1

    I use ghost but if I had to install from scratch. Zonealarm Norton Systemworks (including ghost) Partition Magic Visual Studio 6 Visual Studio .NET Sql Server 2000 Office XP developer Crystal Advanced Developer 10 Crystal Enterprise 10 Winamp

  647. The ususal favorites: by Kamic · · Score: 2, Funny

    my 10:
    BonziBuddy
    Gator
    Wack-a-mole
    Backorfice
    N etbus
    DoubleClick
    MSblaster
    KaZaa
    Hot bar
    Comet Cursor

  648. Its for Games, not work by nuintari · · Score: 1

    I use windows exlusively as a toy, and as a consequence, my first ten, if I even get to ten, looks like this:

    1. Starcraft
    2. Broodwar
    3. Unreal Tourney
    4. Neverwinter Nights (wait, I just remembered this runs in linux very well, guess I'll go switch over.)
    5. Sid Meijer's Planatary Pack(sadly, the linux version doesn't seem ot like newer version's of glibc, and I cannot play it over the network in linux anymore)
    the rest is whatever game I feel like playing at the time. The above are always installed.

    On a unix machine for serious work, the universal constant's are:
    1. vim
    2. ettercap
    3. nmap
    4. bash2
    5. curl
    6. ntp
    7. bzip2
    anything the stock install didn't include: gmake, autoconf, etc.....

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    --Nuintari

    slashdot : where an opinion can be wrong.

  649. first installations... with USES! by reve · · Score: 1

    w0w!! My first ten installations are exactly the same!!

    Trillian - to hook up with fellow warezd00dz!

    Winrar - for decompressing my warez!

    Firefox - it lets me turn off pop ups so I can surf to warez sites!

    Winamp - so I can listen to all my uh... legally purchased mp3s!

    SmartFTP - for warez, obviously

    Azureus - bittorrent 0wnz for getting warez!

    NMap - so I can find unsecure b0xen to put warez on!

    GKrellM - Chixx0rz dig status monitors!

    PowerDVD - so I can watch all the movies I got off bittorrent!

    --
    -- r . m o s q u i t o --
  650. Ugh, I forgot to mention Second Copy 2000 by turnstyle · · Score: 1
    A really handy backup app, Second Copy 2000

    I used to live in fear of backing up, now -- dorky as it sounds -- I enjoy backing up. Seriously.

    --
    Here's what I do: Bitty Browser & Andromeda
  651. Great idea for a thread by Devil · · Score: 1

    This is a great idea for a thread. I'm assuming this is after I've downloaded the eight jillion patches for Windows I need, but in no particular order:

  652. My list... by 222 · · Score: 1

    Winrar
    Smartftp
    Win32pad
    Warcraft III
    Dark Age of Camelot
    Mozilla
    Call of Duty
    Teh Gimp
    WinDVD
    Audacity

    Until Doom III comes out, thats pretty much all the software i want on my box...

  653. maybe not ten, but ... by offby1 · · Score: 1

    *nix
    -------------
    mozilla FireFox
    GNU stow
    subversion
    emacs
    ntp
    screen

    for BSD:
    bash
    GNU findutils
    GNU make

    winders:
    --------------------
    mozilla FireFox
    Cygwin (_all_ of it)
    PuTTY, Pagaent
    TortoiseSVN
    VNC

    On any machine, I might install Privoxy, if that machine cannot connect to some other machine on which Privoxy is already running.

  654. My programs by Valegor · · Score: 1

    First off is the usually OS visual and functionality tweaking. Then upgrading the Media player.

    Ad-Aware
    Norton Antivirus Corporate Editon
    SpyBot
    Kazaa Lite(I have a backed up copy of an older version)
    Office 2000
    Virtual PC
    Winzip
    Winrar
    FireFox
    WolfET

    For a Linux box generally I can get everything I need except Enemy Territory installed durring the install.

  655. on my Debian-based desktop by phorm · · Score: 1

    Some of it comes with the base debian install:

    GCC,G++
    <flamewar>vim/emacs</flamewar>
    links-ssl/curl-ssl-wget
    ssh
    Perl

    Then a whole lotta debs for Gnome/KDE...

    Then the actual desktop GUI:
    GDM
    IceWM
    Idesk
    Endeavour 2


    Then the base apps
    Anjuta (C++ IDE)
    Gedit Notepad
    Mplayer + plugins
    XMMS + plugins
    ALSA framework
    Frozen Bubble!
    the GIMP
    Open Office
    Thunderbird+Firefox
    GAIM
    Gnome-meeting

    And the latest 2.6.x kernel

    I've created a CD which will give you all the above in one disk. Automatic installations. Just create a linux/swap partition, and it will install to the largest available 'nix partition, also adding any windows partitions to the lilo.conf

    ALSA Sound support is ready (though you must edit /etc/modules with whatever soundcard module you have)

    X GUI starts in SVGA mode (best to xf86config and choose your GUI)
    USB mouse support through /dev/input/mice

    I'm considering putting it up online, but at about 620MB for the ISO I'd need some decent hosting space for that. So far we're using it at work to convert windows desktops to dual-boot... it's XP themes so the windows lusers can figure it out rather easily.

    It's also configured to build the base menu structure when a user logs in... and idesk will mount a CD+browse with endeavour on doubleclick, or unmount+eject on a right-click.

  656. ummm, not monthly by pbjones · · Score: 1

    To clear out the kludge or more usually to go to a larger HD,
    MacOSX includeing Developer tools, QuakeIII, Urban Terror mod, Photoshop elements, X-Plane, MS Office. Mostly everything is then in-place or waiting to be used on my second HD, No extra installs needed. I only have OS and essentials on the main HD, incase of a crash.

    --
    There was an unknown error in the submission.
  657. Win32 on a new machine at a new job by MeerCat · · Score: 1
    • GNU emacs for win32
    • Perl for Win32
    • Core GNU unix utils for Win32 (sorry, cygwin is just too much hard work to keep it all working)
    • Visual Studio v.whatever for VB, C++ etc. (whatever "the job" is)
    • WinZip to unpack stuff above, and then to regularly curse how crap it is in so many ways
    • All the SysInternals stuff, RegMon, FileMon, etc.
    • Personal copy of Perforce to keep track of stuff I write from day one.


    The rest is just decoration and glitter (and that includes Office, Acrobat [spit] etc.), or I can write it myself given the above.

    Does copying over my bookmarks, docs, command line utils etc count ??

    --
    I spent a lot of money on booze, birds and fast cars. The rest I just squandered. - George Best
  658. swallowing your own tail by GCP · · Score: 1

    So, you have a Mac, and run a Windows emulator on top of it, then run a unix emulator on top of that....

    Do you, by any chance, run a Mac emulator on Cygwin?

    --
    "Those who have never entered upon scientific pursuits know not a tithe of the poetry by which they are surrounded."
    1. Re:swallowing your own tail by Audacious · · Score: 1

      Ha! No. I don't. But when I was carrying around a Windows laptop and running Linux in another partition I did try to do that. :-)

      I just wish I could have two hard drives in my laptop so I could put Yellow Dog Linux or SUSE linux in a partition on that drive. I'd still need the Cygwin program though. Just because I could bring up the Linux partition without having to reboot the system.

      Maybe some other Mac person could tell me this though - why is it that Virtual PC runs fine if I'm just running MacOS v9.2.1 but if MacOS X is up and running with MacOS v9.2.1 also running - it won't run? (My version can not run under MacOS X by itself. And please don't say upgrade. It runs fine if I'm just running MacOS v9.2.1. I thought that running the two OSs together meant that you could run both types of applications together. (ie: X and 9.2.1)

      TIA to whomever can explain this. :-)

      --
      Someone put a black hole in my pocket and now I'm broke. :-)
  659. Reinstall?!? by Revolution+9 · · Score: 1

    I bought a Mac so I wouldn't have to do that anymore. And I haven't - not even with the upgrades from 10.1 to 10.2 to 10.3.

  660. WinSCP and WS_FTP32 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    WinSCP for secure FTP and remote scp.
    Good old classic WS_FTP32 also, just because it works great and has that cute "Uh-Oh" sound when it errors.

  661. news aggreagator - NewzSpider by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't forget your favorite news aggregator. I use NewzSpider.

  662. Building a New Computer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Does anyone know of a good website that tells you how to build a new computer, with emphasis on what parts one should buy?

    Sorry I know this is offtopic, but help would be appreciated!

  663. MOD PARENT UP ! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You can take your gratis (free as in beer) software all you want:

    Will it have viruses in it? Back doors? Will it fuck up your computer? You won't know.

    Making the distinction between free samples and freedom is important. Thats what the parent was talking about if need to buy a clue.

  664. 10 ? by Qwrk · · Score: 1

    MailWasher
    Ethereal
    FooBar2k
    AATools
    KaBOOM!!
    PSP
    Opera Bork edition
    PowerPost
    CloneCD
    VB6

  665. first 10 by hardcode57 · · Score: 1

    WinZip
    Firefox
    Thunderbird
    FileZilla
    TortoiseC VS
    WinMerge
    Dev-C++
    CDex
    Syn
    MP3BookHelper

    I intend to install a life once I find one that doesn't crash every time I try to use it.

  666. First 10 installs? by SmurfButcher+Bob · · Score: 1

    Microsoft Winxx Service pack yy
    Hotfix
    Hotfix
    Patch
    Patch
    Hotfix
    Patch
    H otfix
    Patch
    Patch

    I usually get around to installing userland stuff after... hmmm... the 6th reboot.

    --

    help me i've cloned myself and can't remember which one I am

  667. rough top 10 on a home biz win2k3 box by iwasacoward · · Score: 1

    Win2k3 2-10 in no real order. The only rule is hotfix checks before and after most MS installs. 1. any Windows hotfixes/patches 2. MS Office 3. Visual Studio .net 4. SQL Server 2000 5. IM Clients (Trillian, ICQLite, MSN)(3, I know. ICQLite lets me SMS) 6. CDEx 7. Photoshop 8. Nero (native IMAPI burning with w2k3 i know, just havent looked at it) 9. AVG 10. my editted HOSTS file (all users should do this) 11. any Windows hotfixes/patches also of note; MSDN, Cooktop, Adobe Acrobat, Nethack (still play that when work gets me down), Sourcesafe and Kazaalite. Does re-'installing' my music folders count? The only thing I'd really like to add to this thread is my No. 10 - my HOSTS file.

  668. media by BlueJay465 · · Score: 1

    first ten after windows:

    1. Windows updates
    2. Audigy and Detonator drivers
    3. Winamp
    4. StudioMX
    5. Photoshop (since I don't have the desire to learn FireworksMX yet)
    6. Wacom drivers
    7. Gordian Knot
    8. FL Studio
    9. Office 2000
    10. Halo

  669. Don't know.... by jotaeleemeese · · Score: 1

    I use Linux, all what I need is normally there after a fresh installation.

    And then I don't re-install for years unitl I get a new machine (honestly, I have installed Linux ony 3 or 4 times since 1996, each installation paried to the purchase of a new computer).

    --
    IANAL but write like a drunk one.
  670. First 10- by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well on my XP box, after Installing all security updates, of course, the first 10 apps are (In no particular order):

    1. iTunes (www.apple.com)
    2. Gaim (gaim.sourceforge.net)
    3. Adobe Photoshop 7.0 (www.adobe.com)
    4. DCOMBobulator, UnPNP, and SocketLock (www.grc.com)
    5. Palm Desktop (www.palm.com)
    6. Firefox (www.mozilla.org)
    7. Thunderbird Mail (www.mozilla.org)
    8. Nero Ultra Edition 6.0 (www.ahead.de)
    9. OpenOffice.org 1.1 (openoffice.org)
    10. Norton SystemWorks Pro 2003 (symantec.com)

  671. Top 10 Windows/Linux software by tutwabee · · Score: 2, Informative

    Windows:
    Winkey
    Spybot S&D
    Mozilla
    ZoneAlarm
    OpenOffice
    ZoomPlayer
    Filezilla
    Gaim

    NoteTab Light (for web designers)
    Emule (for downloads)
    Shad0w's Experimental (for downloads)
    Bersirc (IRC Client)

    Linux:
    Firefox
    Thunderbird
    OpenOffice
    mp3blaster
    the Gimp
    Prozilla
    Mozilla Mult-Window shell script (My own creation)
    Kate or Gedit
    gftp
    Gaim

  672. erm by chegosaurus · · Score: 2, Funny

    1. a shitload of porn
    2-10. whatever

  673. Gordian Knot by geekschmoe · · Score: 1

    I just recently loaded windows 2000 on a new machine and found an application for windows that I can't live without:
    http://gordianknot.sourceforge.net/

    It allows you to go to the video store, rent a bunch of DVD's, spend an hour or so ripping them to the harddrive, and then queues them up to be encoded to divx format (2-pass) creating kick ass "backups" of dvd's. Oh and it's open source. I nominate it for something!

  674. My firsts... by fedux · · Score: 1

    - mozilla
    - cygwin
    - PuTTY
    - TightVNC
    - JAJC
    - Openoffice
    - WinCVS
    - JRE
    - WinZIP/WinRAR

  675. Dunno by isorox · · Score: 1

    Last time I installed on my desktop, 4 years ago after an "apt-get remove libc6", I probably added some stuff like mozilla, but I dont have that good a memory. Last program I installed was bind so I could keep track of domain names on my internal network.

    Now my shiney new laptop with suse9 was

    1) Suse 9
    2) Update from the web
    3) Profit.

    Everything I use is here.

  676. For me by Improv · · Score: 1
    • On windows:
    • Cygwin
    • Activestate Perl
    • GAIM
    • Mozilla


    • On Unix:
    • Windowmaker
    • GAIM-cvs
    • rxvt-unicode
    • mplayer
    • current vim (worth compiling yourself)
    • all my scripts and stuff
    • half a dozen angband variants
    • IRCII
    • UseModWiki (I use it for *everything*)
    • BSD /usr/bin/banner (I usually compile from the OpenBSD sources)
    --
    For every problem, there is at least one solution that is simple, neat, and wrong.
  677. My ten: by Entropius · · Score: 1

    For a Winders system:

    Opera
    Winamp
    CDex
    BSPlayer
    Audacity
    Nero
    G aim
    mIRC
    Sygate Personal Firewall
    Daemon Tools

  678. Windows XP by marinebane · · Score: 1

    WinRAR
    AVG Virus Scanner
    Drivers
    DAMN NFO Viewer
    FireFox
    Adaware/Spybot
    Media Player Classic
    XviD/DivX/AC3Filter/Realtime(Drivers Only)/Quicktime(Drivers Only)
    Macromedia Studio
    Adobe CS

    btw, for those who dont know, Media Player Classic is not related to Microsoft Windows. Get it HERE
    I dont know if deleting all the crap that Windows comes with is a 'install' as such, but I cant live without doing that aswell.

  679. That's eleven by hayden · · Score: 1

    So you're the one writing all those buffer overfloaws huh?

    --
    Nerd: Derogatory term typically directed at anybody with a lower Slashdot ID than you.
  680. on openbsd by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    colorls
    emacs
    gnupg
    jdk-linux
    mergemaster
    moz illa-firefox
    mutt
    vim
    wget
    windowmaker

  681. No Need! by BonesJones · · Score: 1

    Been running Win 98 at home for 5 years with no reinstall! Still working fine since I clean up registry take out ALL the trash regularly and keep AV and OS updated. Anyone beat that? Looked at XP, -smells like a sweaty Telly Tubby suit. Blackfoot Brothers

  682. I don't know if you consider it a program, but by Quila · · Score: 1

    DOS Prompt Here

  683. Just the basics by hrbrmstr · · Score: 1

    It's M$, so I'm assuming security patches are an implicit "0" item.

    - Cygwin (is this cheating? [grin])
    - Firefox
    - Textpad
    - WinDVD
    - VideoLAN
    - Xshell
    - Xmanager
    - ActiveState Perl
    - iTunes
    - Acrobat

    --
    Mind the gap...
  684. a couple things no-one else does apparently by foszae · · Score: 1
    well obviously i start with winrar & smartftp. one out of necessity, and the other because there is no better. but more importantly i can't live without these:
    • startup control panel & startup monitor which i use to see if any worms, viruses or adware get onto my PC and have to ask my permission to register as a starup program
    • zone alarm so i don't have to worry about any program trying to get into my computer or even worst
    • irfan view as my all-purpouse image viewer and sound player. i use it as my primary file association for all of these, particularly since i often want to just double-click an mp3 etc.
  685. Only reinstall during major HW upgrades, but... by DarkRyder · · Score: 1
    The 'Big Ten':
    1. Office 2003 Professional (yay Excel... I suppose I should switch to OO someday)
    2. Visual Studio .NET 2003 Professional
    3. Windows Update (lather, rinse, repeat) and Office Update
    4. TweakUI (incl. 'google', 'msdn', and 'mskb' Search Prefixes)
    5. EditPad Pro (best text/hex editor ever, IMHO)
    6. F-Secure SSH (just like it better than the others)
    7. 7-Zip
    8. WinAmp 5 (no video)
    9. Norton Anti-Virus (paranoia: I read my mail on FreeBSD and am well firewalled)
    10. Google Toolbar
    Other Stuff:
    • ActivePython
    • Ad-Aware (sometimes; paranoia)
    • Adobe Reader (née Acrobat Reader)
    • CDex (music + coding = better code)
    • Civilization III + PtW + Conquests
    • EPP: Custom Syntax Coloring Schemes
    • EPP: spell-check dictionary
    • Firefox (I prefer <ducks> IE, but use FF for sanity-checking during web development)
    • iTunes (mostly for browsing iTMS to find new music to buy... on CD)
    • Morrowind + Tribunal + Bloodmoon
    • Paint Shop Pro
    • PowerGREP
    • Spybot S&D (sometimes; paranoia)
    • Spyware Blaster (sometimes; paranoia)
    • Unreal Tournament( 200[34])?
    • WinSCP2 (for the occasional, insane SSH server that doesn't like F-Secure)
    --
    Unless, of course, scissors can't cut rock...
  686. OS X by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What's this format and reinstall dance you talk of?

    The joys of having an Apple...

  687. Nope by DerekLyons · · Score: 1
    Some people re-install once a year, but if you're anything like me your machine is formatted at least once a month
    Nope. My system has run quite well for over two years without a re-install or re-format.
  688. Get over it? by EduardoFonseca · · Score: 1

    Never. I don't talk to people that uses Windows. :)

  689. Customer and home by Anthony · · Score: 1

    Customer-provided WinXP desktop- putty Cygwin - with WindowMaker Mozilla Gimp Java2 JRE/SDK QuickTime RealOne AdAware Home/Business Debian install Just had to do this... :( emacs tetex-* octave maxima auctex fetchmail postfix bsfilter

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    Slashdot: Where nerds gather to pool their ignorance
  690. My list by vegetablespork · · Score: 1
    All patches, crank MSIE security level to high, turn on RSAC rating so anything that throws a browser will result in a password prompt.



    Firefox (use from here on out to download the rest)
    Tolvalen Eraser
    Ad-Aware
    Spybot Search and Destroy
    Spyware Blaster
    IE-SPYAD
    TrueCrypt
    eMule
    Forte Agent
    Irfanview

    --

    Call (206) 338-5780 COLLECT for information about a genuine BA, BS, MA, MS, MBA, or Ph.D.

  691. Re:Who... by Moofie · · Score: 1

    Me.

    I've found four new utilities that I find very useful reading this discussion.

    Any other questions?

    --
    Why yes, I AM a rocket scientist!
  692. First 10 on Debian GNU/Linux by jay-be-em · · Score: 1, Informative

    1. vim - Best. Editor. Ever.
    2. zsh - with apt-get completion this makes apt-getting the rest of stuff nicer.
    3. screen - start a screen session.
    4. iptables - secure the machine
    5. irssi-text - irc is a good way to kill time while you're waiting for things to install.
    6. bzip2 - for kernel.
    7. kernel-package - upgrade to the latest stable kernel the Debian Way(tm).

    At this point it really depends what I'm using the machine for. Is it a firewall/router? Then probably nmap, snort or some other security utils.
    If it's my desktop probably gnome2, python, gcc, gdb, valgrind, etc.

    --
    "Orthodoxy means not thinking--not needing to think. Orthodoxy is unconsciousness." --Eric Blair
  693. Answer by Kernull · · Score: 1

    Seemingly 90% of the posts I looked at were some sort of joke as to viruses and service packs. It gets real old, real fast. Just answer the damn question! After installing drivers and such, this is my list:

    Trillian
    Winamp5
    K++ / K-Lite Codec Pack
    Real Alternative/Quicktime Alternative
    Opera
    FileZilla
    PeerGuardian
    MS Office
    Photoshop
    WinRAR
    Nero
    ActiveSync

  694. Reinstall ???? by Ploum · · Score: 1

    Once a month ???? Is this masochism ?

    I've installed a Debian Woody 2 years ago. Now it's a Sid. But I've never reinstalled it..
    The first 10 things I install on a new computer ? Well : apt-get dist-upgrade && apt-get install gnome

  695. unison is always the first, regardless of OS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I use Linux, Mac OSX, Solaris, and Windows. On every computer I install the same programs:

    - bash
    - ssh
    - unison
    - vim
    - latex
    - ghostview
    - a JDK/JVM of some sort
    - eclipse
    - Firefox or Opera or Safari

    Unison makes my life much easier. I have a file tree with all of my current working data *plus* my configuration files. When I set up a new machine, I just use unison to replicate my file tree onto it, and then create a bunch of symbolic links into it for the various configuration files (eg, bashrc, vimrc, etc). Then every machine I use has basically the same environment, regardless of OS: at least my shell, my editor, my type-setter, and my programming environment are all the same. It's just annoying stuff like printing that differs from OS to OS.

    This is also useful if some program isn't available on a particular OS: I just ssh over to some other machine that has it, synchronize my files, use the program, and synchronize back to whatever machine I'm physically in front of.

    This unison setup also gives me lightweight version control and distributed backups of my current files. So unison is always the first thing I try to get going, regardless of whatever OS is on the machine.

    http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~bcpierce/unison/

  696. unix me up by John+Sokol · · Score: 1

    I install (win2k + patches + drivers)

    Virus/firewall (Trend Micro)
    cygwin
    Hummingbird exceed
    putty
    lemmy
    Visual Studio
    Mozilla
    winzip
    vnc
    divx
    quicktime player
    Windows media player
    trillian

    --
    I am always doing that which I can not do, in order that I may learn how to do it. - Pablo Picasso
  697. Once a MONTH??? by davidbrit2 · · Score: 1

    Must be Windows ME.

    Seriously though, somebody get this guy some UNIX/BSD/OS X. Fast. The concept of a "reinstall" exists only for massive software upgrade, or massive hardware failure (or massive sysadmin failure, in some cases).

  698. Having just setup a new computer... by rjamestaylor · · Score: 1
    I've had to set up a couple new computers for various purposes over the past couple days, so this is fresh to me. But I don't burn a CD; I Google or go direct to the web page to get the latest/greatest; if applicable, I'll put the downloaded copy on a file server locally.
    1. Work desktop, WinXPPro
    2. Windows Updates
    3. PuTTY 0.54
    4. Mozilla 1.7a
    5. WinCVS
    6. GVim6.2
    7. GNU Utils
    8. MySQL 4.0.18
    9. Java 1.4.2_03 (for team consistency)
    10. JBoss 3.2.3
    11. Frozen Bubble (need the Bubble)
    1. Home Internet Computer, Linspire 4.5
    2. My Products from Click 'N Run (their central server remembers what I've downloaded and allows me to set these up on my new computer with one click. A true improvement to apt-get, IMHO.
    1. Home Game Machine, Windows 98SE
    2. Windows Update (to IE6sp1, DirectX9, then I unplug it forever from the Internet)
    3. Learning Company Kindergarten
    4. Thomas the Tank Engine
    5. Tonka Fire & Rescue
    6. Tonka...
    7. Reader Rabbit
    8. Clifford the Big Red Dog
    9. Put-Put
    10. Blues Clues
    11. Quake (kidding)
    12. (Yes, this is for my kids, all under 5 years of age now)
    1. Dev Laptop, iBook G4
    2. 9 Updates to stock 10.3.3
    3. Mozilla
    4. X11 for Apple (from CD)
    5. MySQL
    6. XCode
    7. FINK!!!
    8. too many things to name, 'cause eventually, at the end of the day, I don't like UNIX, I like GNU versions of UNIX tools.
    --
    -- @rjamestaylor on Ello
  699. win2k 10 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    sp4
    direcx9b
    via 4in1 (athlon)/infinst/iaa (pentium)
    radeon cat's
    winrar
    gaim
    bittornado
    vnc
    mozilla
    div xlight

    If you don't count drivers as programs, then you can add dvd decrypter, autogk, photoshop, dreamweaver, dvdshrink, etc...
    JJ

  700. what i install by mattyrobinson69 · · Score: 1

    Windows:
    Dreamweaver
    MS Office (whatever version i can find lying around)
    MS VB 5
    Zone Alarm
    Putty
    The program for my minidisk player
    Any media player i think of at the time, other than real jukebox
    vmware tools for vmware guest operating systems

    Slackware:
    hotwayd (hotwayd.sf.net)
    open office
    riaarip (my mates program to rip cd's and stuff)
    opera
    wine (just incase)
    mlDonkey
    slapt-get and slapt-gui
    vmware

  701. ACK! by NilObject · · Score: 1

    I use MacOS X. I don't have to re-install my crap, you insensitive clod!

  702. Why reinstall apps? by fullofangst · · Score: 1

    Why not format as usual one time, put all your favourite programs on, and then make an disk image and burn to CD/DVD ? Remembering exactly what I want installed and changing on a windows system is so easy to forget that I just gave up doing it, and spent a week after a format and reinstall getting everything right then putting an image onto a DVDR. Being so cheap, I can update the Ghost image every 3-4 months as necessary :)

  703. Common sense, really... by TheRealStyro · · Score: 1

    For XP install...
    1) Drivers (for everything not incl'd in XP)
    2) Windows updates
    3) Browser (Netscape/Mozilla)
    4) Email (Eudora)
    5) Usenet clients (for anonymous leech downloadings)
    6) Anti-virus
    7) Acronis True Image (and do first full boot partition backup so next re-install is easier)
    8) Mass codec install
    9) Open Office
    10) Games

    I've never done a *nix install that didn't result in four hours trying to get the video configured correctly and then ending up installing some version of windows. I'm hoping Xandros will change that.

    --
  704. get a life... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What a waste of time!!! Go to the beach, watch paint dry, get a life. But stop wasting your time pushing disks!!!!

  705. Late to the party.... by abbamouse · · Score: 1

    1. Patches
    2. Antivirus -- Antivir
    3. Anti-adware -- Ad-Aware
    4. Images -- IrfanView
    5. Sound -- Winamp
    6. Video -- Media Player Classic with RealAlternative and QuickAlternative
    7. Email -- anything but Outlook Express; I use Eudora
    8. Adobe Reader -- I like the antialiasing...
    9. MS Office -- Yeah, I know...
    10. FTP -- WS_FTP LE

    --
    Make cheese not war 8:)
  706. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 1

    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  707. Re: First Ten Programs on New Install? by kyuso · · Score: 1

    My first 10 for WinXP, besides driver updates and
    bug/security fixes:

    directX
    Apple Quicktime 2.1.2 16-bit and 32-bit
    Apple Quicktime 3.0.1
    Netscape 7.1
    RealOne Player
    Apple Quicktime 6.3
    Macromedia ShockWave, Flash+Authorware Player
    OpenOffice 1.1
    Ssh
    TightVNC

    Just enough to run games, educational softwares,
    and occasional remote GUI connection to linux.

    For Linux (again besides security/bug fixes and
    drivers):

    phpgroupware
    phpMyAdmin
    Macromedia Flash player
    RealOne player 8
    cabextract
    msttfont
    Adobe Acrobat Reader
    avview
    dvgrab
    kino

    BTW, most of what I need are auto-installed by
    initial linux distribution installation, so I only
    listed what I had to install afterwards.

  708. Re:What did you expect we'd assume? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Most slashbots use Windows -- just look at the site statistics. Only a few of us aren't paying lip-service to free/open-source/alternative systems and actually using them.

  709. Build it once and then image your system by Brett+Armst · · Score: 1

    Install OS Remove bonus bits Install Patch's Install apps Create Image of System Put image of system on removable media such as DVD or USB Hard Disk

  710. 1st 10 programs for Windoze by BanjoBob · · Score: 1

    After Windoze, I install:
    1 Office
    2 All updates and patches
    3 RTV Reco to avoid those annoying "Are you sure..."
    4 Anti-Virus and updates
    5 Naviscope
    6 BlackIce
    7 Sygate
    8 E-mail program (I Never use Outlook*)
    9 Exceed (to access Linux and Solaris)
    10 The graphics, music, video and other Multi-media software.

    --
    Banjo - The more I know about Windoze, the more I love *nix
  711. Oooooooooh well. by rice_burners_suck · · Score: 1
    Throughout my entire network, I use Windows on only ONE computer, and only for ONE program: UltraEdit. This text editor has some unique features that make it excellent for programming as well as writing other stuff. That would be my first installed program. The second is WinVNC, the third is PuTTY, both of which I use to access my "real" computers.

    I hate Windows, so I'm still waiting for a port of UltraEdit to Linux.

    Oh yeah, and my fourth program is Quake II, which I like to play at night sometimes. I don't know how to set up games on my real computers.

  712. A few more vital windows programs by bencvt · · Score: 2, Informative
    First of all? Best. Ask. Slashdot. Ever. Through these responses, I've found dozens of free programs that are damn useful. Even better, many of these programs are open-source, too. Sourceforge.net is absolutely hopping today! In fact, I think their UNC mirror got slashdotted at one point. Also, a number of non-sourceforged program download sites are also hammered... guess I'll have to download from them later. Damn. :-)

    Second, my list. Almost all of my favorite programs are already mentioned in the +5 posts, so I won't list them all (there are a lot). Here's what's left of my top 25 or so programs I definitely install on a fresh Windows reinstall, in no particular order. Everything is free, unless otherwise noted. I don't think any of these are open-sourced, though.

    • ObjectDock - OS X's sexy toolbar that expands when you mouseover is now available for windows, too. Tons of useful plugins available, such as a weather tracker and system monitor.
    • Yz's dock - no link for this one because Apple killed it with a C&D letter. Same basic concept as ObjectDock; marginally better IMHO. If you really want it, google for yz_dck0083.zip.
    • StyleXP - I can't believe no one's mentioned this one yet. Windows skinning, anyone?
    • Crimson Editor - yet another lightweight (i.e., fast) file editor with extended functionality such as automatically coloring source code files.
    • MetaPad - extremely lightweight file editor, a replacement for notepad.exe.
    • Sothink SWF Decompiler - good for when I want to grab an image or sound out of a flash file.
    • Google Toolbar - yes, it's created by Google, the next Big Brother, but I like the pop-up blocker, and the privacy issues are moot if you take the time to uncheck one box.
    • Middle Man - for people like me who still use AOL's bread-and-butter AIM client, this is a great unofficial plug-in. Removes ads and adds a ton of new functionality.
    • Peer Guardian - another biggie that I'm surprised hasn't been mentioned before. Blocks the RIAA and its ilk from connecting to your machine.
    • Total Recorder - (shareware/demo) captures all audio output and logs it to a wav or mp3 file. Good for stream ripping.
    • NetLimiter - (shareware/demo) limit your maximum upload/download speeds, optionally on a program by program basis. Some firewalls already have this functionality, though... but not all.
  713. Re:Um...I only reinstall when I get a new computer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    you might consider changing your physical partitioning such that the things you add over top of the standard distro dont get munched when you do a reinstall. Though individual results may vary, I think even M$ can handle this - it is just more difficult. You just remove the physical drive holding your add-on apps (like "/usr/local/" or "/opt" or "/data/" or "/mp3", etc.. from your old machine and place it in your new. Then on occasions that you make changes to a physical partition, you back it up to CD or another spare hard drive - in the event the hard drive goes south.... Started doing this along time ago with SunOS and it has always worked like a charm..... Dont really ever re-install anymore though, I generally just update packages...

    I remember someone somewhere said that standard windows desktop administration consisted of the three Rs:
    restart, reboot, reinstall.... :)

  714. Re:Half Life is not Free by ymgve · · Score: 1

    It's not free anymore. You are asked for a CD-key after the preliminary install, and if you don't have one, no game for you.

  715. Mine are better! by georgevulov · · Score: 1

    On Windows: 1. 7-zip (vs. Winrar) 2. FileZilla (vs. SFTP) 3. Mozilla 4. Irfanview (best image viewer ever) 5. WinAMP 6. Jedit (editor) 7. MingW (compiler) 8. TortoiseCVS (CVS client) 9. AIM/Gaim/or TerraIM And now, get ready to start bashing... 10. Microsoft Office On Linux: Hmm, everything pretty much everythig I need comes installed. Of course, I must note that reformatting every month is a complete waste of time. Generally, the people who need to reformat are those who don't know how to organize stuff into folders neatly or how to DELETE stuff they don't need. So, eventually, their computer becomes such a mess that they would rather format and reinstall than bother organizing. I haven't formatted my hard drive in over a year. Oh, and if you DO decide to format your hd, do the smart thing - partition it. Put all your data on one partition and your OS and programs on another - that way you won't have to spend hours backing up next time you need to reinstall/upgrade your OS.

    --
    TerraIM - my pet AIM client project.
  716. My 10 Firsts by imemyself · · Score: 2
    (in no particular order)
    Symantec Corprate AV
    Firefox
    PowerArchiver
    Trillian
    3M Post-It Notes
    M$ Office
    OO.org
    EditPlus
    MyIE2
    eMule / Protowall / Blocklist manager
    --
    Every time you post an article on Slashdot, I kill a server. Think of the servers!
  717. You forgot! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You insensitive clod! Real WOMEN code, too.

  718. my own Debian meta-packages, of course! ;-) by Quietti · · Score: 1
    I have made my own source package, which generates the following Debian meta-packages:
    • foobarsoft-base

      Whatever I find absolutely essential on any Debian system.

    • foobarsoft-configs

      Fills /etc with my favorite settings and environment variables.

    • foobarsoft-desktop

      X with IceWM and favorite commandline tools.

    • foobarsoft-gnome-environment

      GNOME plus every GUI application I need for maximum comfort on a desktop.

    • foobarsoft-openoffice

      My favorite selection of dictionaries, spellcheckers and localisation files for OpenOffice.

    This allows me to get new computers setup in a matter of minutes, and to keep them all updated if I change my mind about which applications I like to standardize upon.
    --
    Software is not supposed to be about how to work around a useability issue. - Ken Barber
  719. Another OS X user's list by subtillus · · Score: 1

    I'm more of a user than a coder or anything so here's the list of the average folk.

    1) MS Office (Select edu. discount at my school means it was ridiculously cheap and OO looks tacky on my ibook).
    2) Fire instant messenger
    3) bittorrent
    4) VLC
    5) blank
    6) run mac update once (that's sort of an application)
    7) ummmm... is resizing the doc an application?
    8) blank
    9) blank
    10) blank

  720. My top ten by os2fan · · Score: 1
    Try this.
    • some kind of DOS (one or more)
    • partition commander
    • msdos 7.1, windows 95, windows 98, os/2 4.5.2, winnt 2000, etc.
    • 4dos, 4os2, or 4nt
    • regina rexx + mcphee's dll's
    • most utilities via script-install. Most shell icons and tree layout gets hacked in the script-installs as well. A multiboot makes this useful in any case, so it's not hard to get in the habit.
    Once one has a desktop, one can do a clean install of some OS, and then
    • fix-packs are slipstreamed, or installed first.
    • internet exploder
    • unslipstreamed hot-fixes + fixpacks
    • pdf-viewer
    • lite2000, (which i doctor the running services and install utilities stuff)
    • standard utility pack
    • adaware, firewall, msnmsg 5.1 installed and hacked.
    • hardware stuff. your mouse has moved, windows must restart for this to take effect
    --
    OS/2 - because choice is a terrible thing to waste.
  721. First ten installs on my realy important computer by LandGator · · Score: 2, Insightful

    which is a Tungsten dub-ya PalmPhone:

    WeSync - wireless and wired multiuser autosyncing of calendar and address books
    5N Launch - assigns 21 apps to one hardware button
    HandyShopper - mutliple databases, not all of which need be shopping lists
    jPluck - capture web sites automatically, refresh at every wired sync
    Mobipocket - eBook and eNews reader
    1TouchTimer - quick handy reminder
    EudoraWeb - text browser well suited to GPRS use
    YAHM - the best hack (OS extensions) manager for Palms
    Documents To Go 6 - read/write Word and Excel files better than PocketPCs
    Mapopolis - all my state's maps on hand, always

    Oh, and all but the last two are Freeware.

    --
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  722. Here's my must-have list for Linux... by Spoing · · Score: 1

    == Start of list ==
    Adobe Acrobat Reader
    == End of list ==

    Everything else is on the install CDs.

    --
    A firewall can not protect you from yourself. Turn off what you do not need. Do not use the firewall to do your work.
  723. My First 10 installs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting
    After installing windows updates/fixes and any missing drivers: 1. WinRAR - nuff said
    2. Mozilla Firefox(bird, marsupial, whatever) - Much nicer way of browsing... I also install several extensions but I won't count them here
    3. Startup Control Panel - Makes managing what loads at boot from various sources simple to manage
    4. UltraEdit - Makes editing configuration files/reading *nix formatted files much easier on the eyes.
    5. ShellEnhancer - Allows me to more effectively manage my windows... toggle 'Always On Top' and make windows and/or menus semitransparent. Also replaces the Alt+Tab manager
    6. Spybot - Search & Destroy - It's like Mr. Clean for your computer...
    7. Binary News Reaper - Don't ask... don't tell
    8. Gordian Knot codec pack - So I can view all the stuff I download with program #7 <whoops... forget I said that>
    9. Media Player Classic - this is a kickass lightweight media player. It even works with tuner cards
    10. Nero Burning Rom - So I can make cds/dvds

    Also of note is that I install Windows Media Player 9 because there is no way to uninstall WMP 8, but there is an undocumented way to uninstall WMP 9.

    I also tune the services on the computer to only what is needed... This includes disabling the System Restore service. The only time I've found that the restore service would have been useful is when the computer fails to boot into windows. Unfortunately MS didn't have the foresight to allow restore points to be used from the install cd so the feature is useless.

  724. On Linux... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The first ten thing are patches that fix all the bugs.

  725. mine by Dun+Malg · · Score: 1

    My install is fairly dull. Must be my low threshold for entertainment. 1 - winrar
    2 - Borland C++ Builder 6
    3 - winhex
    4 - numega driver studio
    5 - photoshop
    6 - eudora
    7 - cygwin
    8 - emacs
    9 - Civilization III
    10- trillian

    --
    If a job's not worth doing, it's not worth doing right.
  726. first ten, generic office system by Morthaur · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I set up Windows business systems _very_ often, and I have a set list of free software that goes onto each one.

    service pack 4;
    software drivers (video, etc.);
    all relevant patches from MS (several re-boots);
    winzip;
    java runtime;
    quicktime;
    real 7;
    mozilla;
    acrobat reader;
    openoffice;
    winamp;
    okay, so that's more than ten... sue me... it's also a complete system load.

    --

    +++++++
    "Look, dear, it's a crazy hairy scary man!"
    1. Re:first ten, generic office system by Forkenhoppen · · Score: 1

      You install Real? Ick..

    2. Re:first ten, generic office system by Morthaur · · Score: 1

      As long as people are going to be putting Real streams on the Internet, yes. Do you want people bitching that they can't watch CNN? Or, worse, do you want clients instaling their own software?!

      Besides, I use the OLD RealPlayer, and un-check all of the default annoyances. The newer versions, with their hideous always-running services and pop-up messages, I will NEVER instal. Real streams play just fine on the old player.

      --

      +++++++
      "Look, dear, it's a crazy hairy scary man!"
  727. Re:On MacOS X - different twist by pjt33 · · Score: 1
    preview whips acrobat reader
    Depends - last time I used it, it didn't have a search facility. For my purposes, that makes it pretty useless.
  728. first 10 packages by grepistan · · Score: 1

    Do drivers count? I am going to assume they don't. On windows 2k pro (yuk, I know) it's Winzip Zonealarm ACG Antivirus free Adaware 6 Winzip Firefox Thunderbird Winamp 5 WinMX Rise of Nations

    --
    Real stupidity beats artificial intelligence every time.
    -- Terry Pratchett, Hogfather
  729. Insane by smchris · · Score: 1

    Format the drive monthly? Windows there?

    I make sure I have periodic bare metal backups and build personalized systems of increasing complexity over several years between reinstalls. And I always try an upgrade first -- dust bunnies be damned! I've had four stable desktop installs since '95. One reinstall was "recommended" and another seemed the easier path because of hardware funkyness and bad backups.

    I have a removable XP drive on another machine. I loaded it with the OpenCD.

  730. Cygwin by einhverfr · · Score: 2, Informative

    Does nobody else install Cygwin, Bash, PostgreSQL, etc. first?

    Also, how many people on UNIX systems reformat their systems often enough to make this question meaninful? Of course maybe this shows how different the UNIX and Windows worlds really are.

    --

    LedgerSMB: Open source Accounting/ERP
  731. First Ten Programs on New Install by Codifex+Maximus · · Score: 1

    WindowsXP:
    Before I get on the net, SP1 and MS RPC Patch 824146.
    AVG
    Get on the net and update AVG antivirus definition file. Scan the whole machine.
    Then I begin patch reboot, patch reboot, patch reboot... cycle.
    When I'm finished patching:
    Netscape 7.1
    Kohan Immortal Sovereigns
    Halo
    Uh... that's about it. I don't use windows that much.

    Linux:
    After installing Gentoo and getting booted to shell:
    emerge sync
    emerge svgalib
    emerge links
    emerge mc
    emerge bitchx
    emerge kde
    emerge java (whichever one is current)
    emerge sdl
    emerge mplayer
    emerge k3b
    emerge kdevelop
    emerge acroread
    emerge postgresql
    emerge webmin
    emerge gkrellm
    emerge xmms
    emerge pgaccess
    filerunner, openoffice, netscape7.1, etc... etc... etc...

    YMMV

    --
    Codifex Maximus ~ In search of... a shorter sig.
  732. Completely off topic... by cubic6 · · Score: 1

    If you're using XP or 2k... How did you get System Shock 2 to work? I've been trying *forever* to get that to run on my roommate's XP box.

    --
    Karma: Contrapositive
    1. Re:Completely off topic... by grub · · Score: 1

      There's a command line option in the installer "-lgforcent" or something like that. Google for it, SS2 (and Thief/Thief2) need it to install IIRC. The games run perfectly.

      --
      Trolling is a art,
  733. Re:On MacOS X - different twist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Preview on 10.0-10.2 was awful in terms of both performance and features. Preview on 10.3 is the fastest PDF viewer I've ever used, and has enough features for everyday use (such as searching, finally).

  734. First ten installs by wahhaab · · Score: 1

    After all the service packs and criticals, on a Windows box that's going to be out in the world, generally in this order:

    1) Sophos
    2) ZoneAlarm
    3) Spybot S&D
    4) AdAware
    5) Firefox
    6) TweakUI
    7) Xteq X-Setup
    8) NotePad+
    9) HTML-Kit
    10) TopStyle lite

    And usually ghosted.

  735. My Precious Win98 Install by Badanov · · Score: 1
    1) Mozilla
    2) Trillian
    3) Pueblo moo client
    4) Lotus SmartSuite
    5) Steel Panthers
    6) East Front II
    7) Open Office
    8) Perl/Win32
    9) E-Trust EZ Virus
    10) More Games

    --
    Dawn of the Dead
  736. PuTTY for local terminal by rwa2 · · Score: 1

    Hmm, sounds neat... Unfortunately, the only thing I could think of is to set up cygwin's sshd with sshd-config and ssh to localhost :/

    1. Re:PuTTY for local terminal by phre4k · · Score: 1

      Yeah i thought about that too, but it seems to ugly

      --
      "Nobody really checks their email any more. They just delete their spam"
  737. I'd rather use Cygwin for SSH by fetta · · Score: 1

    I'd rather use Cygwin's ssh client than putty - plus cygwin can give you an ssh server for your Windows machine as well.

    --
    ** The opinions expressed here are my own, and do not reflect those of my employers - past, present, or future**
    1. Re:I'd rather use Cygwin for SSH by fiftyfly · · Score: 1

      mmm - I rather like the ssh server, but the term's a little clunky. I do have a linux box on the desk too so there's always a putty window open and find it jsut nicer/easier to ssh back to the windows box if need be. Between that, and mounting the windows partitions on the linux box I almost never use a win32 terminal

      --
      "Sanity is not statistical", George Orwell, "1984"
  738. Just the essentials... by Kaldaien · · Score: 1

    1. ATI Catalyst 2. Visual C++ 3. Intel C++ 4. VTune 5. Source Offsite 6. RenderMonkey 7. gvim 8. Mozilla 9. WinRAR 10. Pretty much in that order... :)

  739. In No Particular Order by xsbellx · · Score: 1

    1) Zone Alarm
    2) Putty
    3) Cygwin
    4) TweakUI and the other Powertools
    5) Tiger Woods Golf - 99
    6) Ghostscript and the rest
    7) WinZip
    8) Ethereal
    9) Nmap
    10) NetStumbler

    --
    If VISTA is the answer, you didn't understand the question
  740. answer ... by Lazy+Jones · · Score: 1

    1. Mozilla Firefox
    2. Mozilla Thunderbird
    3. IrfanView
    4. putty
    5. OpenOffice
    6. one of the free zip utilities
    7. one of the open source IRC clients (XChat for Windows, Xircon etc.)
    8. Spybot S&D
    9. winamp
    10. Adobe Acrobat Reader

    --
    "I love my job, but I hate talking to people like you" (Freddie Mercury)
  741. No wonder you reformat every month by Orion+Blastar · · Score: 1

    My top Windows programs I install after a reformat include:

    Norton Antivirus
    Spybot: Search and Destroy
    The Cleaner
    Spysweeper
    Sygate Personal Firewall

    Any other Malware remover I can find.

    If you are using Windows, and have Internet access, get used to living with Malware because eventually it will find its way on your machine.

    --
    Remember, Slashdot does not have a -1 disagree moderation, and no, troll, flamebait, and overrated are not substitutes.
  742. Has anyone suggested... by DrQu+xum · · Score: 1

    WinSCP? It's the Godsend of the heterogeneous Linux/Windows environment IMHO.

    Also PuTTY, Symantec AV, Firefox, Thunderbird, Sun J2RE, Ghostscript, GSView, VNC Viewer, Yahoo! Messenger.

    --
    DrQu+xum: Proof that the lameness filter doesn't work.
  743. My List by Sithgunner · · Score: 1

    Here's my top 10 list.

    1. Sleipnir - Greatest tab browser, made by a Japanese guy, there's an English translation, if you haven't tried it and been using other IE based tab browser, you should give it a try. It's IE engine only. (For those who'll have trouble navigating Japanese web page, here's the download link to English version)

    2. PuTTY - Just like others

    3. Exact Audio Copy - Very good audio ripper for CCCD.

    4. Adobe Reader - Though getting like a bloated software with Printme ad, I encounter PDF just about everyday...

    5. GIMP - I thank GIMP team for such a great freeware tool.

    6. VideoLAN (VLC) - Great media player + rich network functions, can play DVD (with libdvdcss, check your own law) without any commercial licensed softwares.

    7. EmEditor - This is the best text editor I've found to date (tried, textpad, editplus, ultraedit what have you...but I'm not a emacs/vim guy). For what's better, it's free for academic use! It's got regular expression search/find, keyboard mapping, document tabs and all the feature you'd expect on a good text editor. I used to use EditPlus(registered) before this, but I switched.

    8. ffdshow - Codecs for DivX, Xvid. No more need for official ad-full DivX codec installation.

    From here, I don't have them installed, but these are worth mentioning.

    9. burnatonce - A great tool for writing CD/DVD media. It's actually a Windows frontend for cdrecord and ProDVD, small and efficient.

    10. DVD Shrink - To extract DVD data and back it up, no writing function, but good for storing it on HDD.

    I could go on...but I've reached ten =)

  744. subversion! by Hubert_Shrump · · Score: 1

    i keep /home under version control, with parts of /etc

    install screen, beep, ratpoison.

    who needs the other four?

    --
    Keep your packets off my GNU/Girlfriend!
  745. some people re-install once a year??? by riprjak · · Score: 1

    once a month?? once a year even?? do people *REALLY* re-format their drives this regularly?? what could possibly happen to them that requires this???

    Even if you buy new drives, cant you just dd (or windows equivalent) the old primary drive onto the new one, add a new swap partition and reboot (takes maybe 20 minutes and you can keep using your system as if nothing was wrong).

    (Note, I am not a windows user and never have been, except for the windows lapdog work provides me )

    I mean, I occasionally rebuild X (or replace xfree with xorg-x11, stupid nazi license felchers) or my kernel and, even less often, reboot; but this isnt reinstall or reformat, this is a simple case of running a background task and then hitting ctrl alt backspace when you are done... But hell, Id be lucky to reboot my primary PC once a month, once a quarter maybe, let alone reinstall; my last re-install was slackware to gentoo on my old promary box a few years back now. I did a fresh gentoo build on my amd64 box when I got it last October, but that was because I wanted a true 64bit system.

    As for apps, I think Id start with gcc and glibc, then add xorg-x11 and gnome et-al and then open orrifice; that has to be way more than 10 apps. Naturally Id whack in all the basic tools, mans gotta have vi and sed. but when I install software on a new system, its simple.

    Boot (live cd)
    (setup hard drive) /usr/portage/scripts/bootstrap.sh
    emerge system ....
    emerge sync
    emerge -U world
    emerge xorg-x11
    emerge gnome
    USE="sandbox" emerge openoffice-bin
    etc... :) (how did we live before gentoo??)

    I always thought people overstated windows tendancy to unrecoverable bloat, is this guy serious??? I cant think of ever *needing* to re-install...

    ok, the time I dd'd /dev/zero all over hdc1 instead of hdd1 (black keyboard, dark room, about a half slab of beer; you work it out) :) and the time I borked all my system libraries with a foolish build flag (long story). But mostly any damage I do can be --unmerged, vi'd or otherwise corrected without resort to reinstallation.

    wierdness.
    jak.

  746. Top ten installs... by daquake · · Score: 1

    Surprised none of you mentioned AdAware and AdWatch...

    James

    --
    Be True, Unbeliever
  747. These should be standard: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    GLUT
    Open Inventor
    LyX
    Haskell
    Hugs
    PHP
    MySQL
    MagicCub e4D
    vi

  748. I don't reinstall nearly that often, but... by Kris_J · · Score: 2, Informative
    ...I do setup new PCs a bit more rapidly than most, so here's a list
    • Mozilla
    • Proxomitron
    • Eudora
    • 7-zip
    • VNC
    • OpenOffice.org
    • Nero Burning
    • Pop-Mouse and Xmouse2k, but not on a gaming PC
    • MusicMatch (for my iPod)
    • Diablo II
    And some anti-virus software. The last two bullet points are more for home PCs than anything I might setup at work. I also have a C:\programs folder of applications that don't need to be installed, just copied onto the hard drive. That folder just gets copied across wholesale.

    I'm looking for a good WinXP disk defrag utility if anyone can suggest one.

    Just as a closing comment, why do some people feel the need to re-install Windows so often? All of my Windows XP PCs are still using the first install. The oldest is just under two years old.

    1. Re:I don't reinstall nearly that often, but... by redback · · Score: 1

      whats wrong with XP's built in defragger?

    2. Re:I don't reinstall nearly that often, but... by Kris_J · · Score: 1
      whats wrong with XP's built in defragger?
      It only defrags files, not space. I can't use it to prepare a big block of free space for a fixed-size swap file (or a colinux block_device file).
  749. Mine are kind of vague by cgreuter · · Score: 2, Informative

    Assuming a sufficiently Unixy system (where Windows or OS/2 with their respective open-source POSIX-ish layers count), I usually go with, in no particular order:

    • Emacs or (preferably) XEmacs built to use the system GUI.
    • bash/zsh/tcsh or whatever Unix-like shell I can get so long as it has good filename completion and command history.
    • Some terminal emulator. I usually default to rxvt but I'm not too picky as long as it can show more than 50 lines.
    • A collection of Unix command-line tools. GNU coreutils are my favourite but I'll take any sufficiently non-sucky toolkit.
    • Perl. I absolutely need this.
    • A decent web browser, usually Opera or Mozilla.
    • mutt
    • vim (preferred) or nvi, because classic vi just sucks.
    • GNU make, because so many things depend on it.
    • Some decent command-line-drive C compiler/linker/debugger, ideally gcc if only because I know it well.

    This is all kind of moot on major Linux distros (which are what I mostly use) since you get everything you could ever possibly need with those and I just install it all instead of wasting time picking the packages I want.

    Under the SysV Unix systems I've used, the core utilities are usually good enough for my tastes as is the C compiler (although you often have to buy it separately). Getting a decent web browser has been tricky so I make do with lynx or an old version of Netscape, depending. Perl is mostly standard these days.

    Under Windows, I don't bother with firewalls or antivirus software. I just use an external router to block all ports, then make sure to never, ever use IE or Outlook Express. This has worked for me so far, although I don't use Windows very much and so it could just be the law of averages in my favour so far.

  750. Now you're installed Linux... by Nailer · · Score: 1

    Here's what I do after installing my distro (I use Fedora)...

    1. Newer Up2date - Up2date now works as a client for Yum, Apt, RHN and local directory repositories. The betas I find from Rawhide are generally more stable than the final version, particularly for the non-Yum repository types. I use directory repositories a lot cause I can just save a package somewhere and then use it to satisfy dependencies without having to regenerate index files - this is really handy.

    2. Synaptic - Up2date is nice, but it lacks a GUI, and Synaptic's got better search features.

    3. Gimp 2 - Actually makes Gimp pleasant to use. Someday this will come with my distro.
    Firefox - Simple, uncluttered, yet packaged with features.

    3. Evo 1.5 - Though its not really better than the older version. I keeping hoping for a three column view.

    4. Multisync - To Sync Evo to my SonyEricsson mobile phone via Bluetooth.

    5. Driftnet - I sometimes use my box as a router for other people - and I want to know what they're browsing with it.

    6. Beep, and its mp3 plugins. A GTK 2 replacement for XMMS, which I'll then uninstall.

    7. GtkPod, for my iPod. I'll use the automounter to handle the mounting.

    8. K3B. Makes CD/DVD burning on Linux pleasant. Wish there was a Gnome workalike.

    9. NX - X compression that's on par with Citrix. Makes my box a whole lot easier to work with remotely. www.nomachine.com.

    10. Nvidia driver packages from rpm.livna.org.

  751. My top 10 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    1. BlackboxLean - Swank fork of BlackBox4Win
    2. Opera - My favorite browser for years
    3. Directory Opus - Easily the best and most customizable file manager I've ever used
    4. Miranda IM - Nice lean IM client
    5. AllSnap - All windows snap to each other
    6. Media Player Classic - Light media player
    7. Virtual Daemon - Virtual CD software
    8. mIRC - Crappy IRC client
    9. Winamp 2 - Too lazy to upgrade
    10. Photoshop 6 - God I hate the GIMP

  752. Re:On MacOS X - different twist by axle_512 · · Score: 1

    I'm using Preview on 10.3, and it most definitely does have search capability.

  753. Here ya go... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative


    In order:

    Windows 2000 SP3
    The rest of my drivers (Example: Logitech mouse)
    WinZip
    Office 2000
    Adobe Acrobat
    PHP4
    MySQL
    SecureCRT SSH
    PCAnywhere
    WinMX

  754. Windows Indexing Service by Roman_(ajvvs) · · Score: 2, Informative
    Judging from the fact the info page in the indexing service applies to professional and server editions of windows and the fact there's an SDK for the indexing service, I'd say that it's not intended for your average everyday use. It seems to be a different to unix locate (if I glean correctly from the other posts), because it's an idling process, rather than a scheduled job.

    I usually turn it off, since files I'm looking for are rarely indexed when I'm looking for them.

    --
    click-clack, front and back. I'm not moving this car otherwise.
  755. secure it then steal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    first:
    Norton Antivirus
    ZoneAlarm
    Opera
    Ad-Aware
    Spybot
    Spy ware Blaster

    then:
    BitTorrent
    S**ls**k
    K-l*t*
    fr**M*s*c

  756. my 10 tools by yathosho · · Score: 1
  757. electrical engineering student by s/nemisis · · Score: 1

    1.OO.o-Office stuff
    2.Matlab-numerical methods
    3.Opera-browser
    4.Gaim-aim
    5.Putty/wsFt p-ssh/ftp
    6.CygWin-Unix-like environment for programing
    7.Paint Shop Pro-grafix
    8.Homesite+ -website development
    9.PowerArchiver-compression/decompres sion
    10.WinAmp-music

    i usually end up downloading and installing adobe acrobat reader soon after that, the firsst time i need to use it.

    cheers!

    --
    -=gabe2=- macbook dual 2.0
  758. Until Recently... by Valkyre · · Score: 1

    DirectX
    Everquest

    I have 3 machines done that way. Damn I'm a loser =(

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    What the heck is a 'sig'?
  759. Re:Ghost Images by Shrubber · · Score: 1

    "Ghost doesn't make disk images, it only copies files into that monolithic .gho."

    Is this the case with Ghost these days? I know when I used Ghost years ago it had both options, either copy the files it saw on a disk to an image file, or copy the entire disk to an image without caring what the filesystem was. I used to have to do exactly that before Ghost supported NTFS natively, and you could also tell it whether or not you wanted to do that with something it did support, like FAT.

    It would be strange to me if that functionality was removed, but I'm sure it's entirely possible.

  760. jedit.org by ylikone · · Score: 0

    I'm a developer and a previous textpad user... but I switched to jedit, which has all the features (via extra downloadable plugin modules) and it's completely free. I've never looked back. Even beats bbedit on mac in my opinion.

    --
    Meh.
  761. My list by obeythefist · · Score: 1

    I'm a gamer, so my list is really geared towards getting good FPS and a stable, long lasting build.

    I install from a slipstreamed SP1a CD, so I don't need to include SP1a on my list. Here goes:

    1) Autopatcher XP (March is the latest)
    2) Drivers (Detonator, Catalyst, 4in1's, Nforce drivers, whatever is appropriate)
    3) Opera (Still the fastest)
    4) Trillian
    5) Mailwarrior (No HTML mail => No HTML mail exploits)
    6) Ad-Aware (I keep this because other people use my PC sometimes, although I do have a domain policy that prevents iexplore.exe from running)

    Actually that's all there is. I have a server to handle firewall, NAT, file downloads and other security stuff.

    All the rest is games, games, games.

    --
    I am government man, come from the government. The government has sent me. -- G.I.R.
  762. On Debian, I apt-get install... by javert · · Score: 1

    ssh
    vim
    less
    wget
    links
    crawl
    bzip2
    screen
    mpg321
    centericq

    All I'll ever need for a console desktop.

  763. Replacements for the listed proprietary apps by pmsyyz · · Score: 1

    Instead of Trillian, I install GAIM for win32 (GPL).

    Instead of WinRAR, I install 7-Zip (LGPL).

    Instead of WinAMP, I install foobar2000 (BSD).

    Instead of SmartFTP, I install FileZilla (GPL).

    Instead of PowerDVD, I install VLC Media Player (GPL).

    I really need to switch to GNU/Linux.

    --
    Phillip
  764. Filezilla over SmartFTP by si618 · · Score: 1

    I'll take Filezilla over SmartFTP anyday.

    BeyondCompare is great, as is TortoiseSVN and/or TortoiseCVS if your a code monkey.

    --
    Sometimes I doubt your commitment to Sparkle Motion
  765. Initial Linux installation stuff by 0x0d0a · · Score: 1

    Linux has a lot of good stuff, but Red Hat leaves out some goodies that I like to use (some of these are available in the main third-party repositories):

    I used to install yafc (best CLI FTP client out there, with good colorization and, unlike lftp, the ability to interact with local files and pipe things to shell commands), but apparently the maintainer has just decided to stop maintaining it. Ack!

    I like to install atool. This is basically an intelligent (text-based) frontend to all the archive-handling tools out there. You just type aunpack <archive-name> and it checks the type and decompresses the archive. If there are multiple files in the root of the archive, it creates a new directory and puts them all in it.

    WINE. WINE may not be perfect, but when you want to use a Windows program, you'll be glad that you have it set up.

    mplayer. It's the most capable video player out there for Linux, even if some of the more advanced capabilities might be a bit intimidating at first.

    Two tools -- one a small C program that I wrote that runs the program and arguments passed it "as a daemon" -- detached from a terminal. This is useful for running something that you want to keep
    running in the background without the ability to output crud to the screen. The second is a pair of scripts that provide a version of xargs' functionality, but escape spaces and the like, so that one can use xargs on files with spaces in their names.

    Valgrind. Valgrind is a very good memory debugger. Red Hat does not include it in the base distribution because of patent issues (/me hates software patents and the damage they do to the software development area). Exclusion of valgrind is a significant factor in increasing software bugginess. God, I wish the US had EU-style patent law.

  766. To prevent myself from feeling blind: by pmsyyz · · Score: 1

    I feel blinding using a computer without DU Meter 2.21 (bandwidth graph) and Nullsoft Netmon FoX Version (ping graph) running. The two are simple apps, and I guess their functionality might be included in the GKrellM app you list.

    --
    Phillip
  767. Java developer world by sbrown123 · · Score: 1

    First, java development stuff:
    1. Sun Java JDK (latest)
    2. Eclipse (java ide)
    3. GCJ (java compiler)
    4. JEdit (awesome everyday editor)
    5. Minq's DBVisualizer (database tool)
    6. Apache Tomcat

    From here I go to utils
    7. Winrar or Winzip (prior is better. 7zip needs a better interface)
    8. Thunderbird (best email client ever)
    9. Adaware
    10. Norton Antivirus

  768. UltraVNC by cyrl · · Score: 1

    Ahh, another supporter of TightVNC. Has anyone ever used UltraVNC http://ultravnc.sourceforge.net/ ? Until this point I have never heard of TightVNC and I was looking for some opinions.

    1. Re:UltraVNC by BiggyP · · Score: 1

      well, apparantly UVNC boasts better performance on win32, but, IIRC, this is dependant on a non-free video driver.

      the TightVNC developers are adding file transfer capabilities, and attempting to do in a *nix friendly manner as well.

  769. I remember a time... by bferlin · · Score: 1

    Nowadays when I reinstall 2k:

    Putty
    Winamp
    Firefox
    Openoffice
    UltraEdit
    T rillian

    And I reinstall and update the patches about once every 6 months or so. Just about when my Norton AV expires and the system starts to get dirty. With Windows, a lot of times it's just easier to un-ghost or reinstall then try and figure out what's gone wrong with it.

    Though I remember a time when I never reinstalled my PC. When I owned an Amiga, I had the same OS installed from... well I bought the 1200 in 92 and moved to the PC in 98 so almost 6 years. And back then I actually downloaded and installed more programs from BBSes and such than I do today from the internet. It's funny, I guess comparing computing then to computing now is like comparing sex in the 60s to sex now. Back then you could download things freely and nobody worried. Nowadays you have to watch yourself or you end up catching something nasty!

    So the moral, always wear a rubber. And don't use Internet explorer unless you have the security turned WAAAAAY up.

    --
    - Brett
  770. My List by Lord+Kano · · Score: 1

    1. Norton Anti Virus
    2. XP SP1
    3. Opera
    4. Yahoo Messenger
    5. Half Life+Counter Strike
    6. Bit Torrent
    7. Ad Aware
    8. Spybot Search & Destroy
    9. Acrobat Reader
    10. Palm Desktop

    LK

    --
    "Hi. This is my friend, Jack Shit, and you don't know him." - Lord Kano
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  773. Heh what a fun topic by The+OPTiCIAN · · Score: 1

    1. Gvim
    2. Firefox
    3. Thunderbird
    4. Java
    5. Putty
    6. Vmware ... and that's it. I don't need anything else because I do the rest through putty under my linux slices on vmware.

    --


    Believe with me, my saplings.
  774. Zoom Player by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Zoom player works as well. I've found it to be slightly more stable

  775. Re:Ghost Images by WuphonsReach · · Score: 2, Informative

    Is this the case with Ghost these days? I know when I used Ghost years ago it had both options, either copy the files it saw on a disk to an image file, or copy the entire disk to an image without caring what the filesystem was. I used to have to do exactly that before Ghost supported NTFS natively, and you could also tell it whether or not you wanted to do that with something it did support, like FAT.

    It still does both (just used Ghost2003 a few days ago). Sorry, don't remember the command line flags to do it...

    --
    Wolde you bothe eate your cake, and have your cake?
  776. Linux First 10 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    First 10 things I install in Linux: 1) Binutils 2) GCC 3) Linux Headers 4) Glibc 5) TCL 6) Expect 7) DejaGNU 8) GAWK 9) CoreUtils 10) Bzip2 ....

  777. First 10 for Windows by pantycrickets · · Score: 1

    The Bat! - An Email client

    ZoomPlayer - A video player

    FlashFXP - an FTP client.

    UltraEdit - A text editor

    PuTTY - A Telnet/SSH client

    Yahoo Messenger - An IM program

    Kazaa Lite - To get even more stuff

    BitTorrent - A BT Client

    Google Toolbar - A toolbar for IE to use google easily and quickly

    ACDSee - An image viewer

  778. apt-get install popularity-contest by Vagary · · Score: 1

    Preferably Debian, and then `apt-get install popularity-contest` so we never have to endure a story as stupid as this one ever again.

  779. Debian Woody by dolson · · Score: 1

    1 - screen 2 - bzip2 3 - wget 4 - less 5 - gcc 6 - libncurses5-dev 7 - make 8 - kernel-package 9 - [updated linux kernel] 10 - [dist-upgrade to Sid]

  780. My first ten from ports by Eminor · · Score: 1

    Gnome2, Ximian Evolution, Galeon, Open Office, mldonkey, ssh, xmms, xine, ecasound and oggenc.

    Admittedly, I go to bed when I start the Open Office install.

  781. First Ten programs are as follows: by sofakingon · · Score: 0

    Leisure Suit Larry 1-10

  782. Compressing a raw disk partition by some+guy+I+know · · Score: 1

    Before you compress, run a defragger that zeros out all unused blocks (and, even better, the unused bytes at the end of the last block in each file).
    The zeroed blocks/bytes will compress to almost nothing (relative to the 1Gb of data).
    Also, you can dd to "a single image file, which can be much easier to work with."

    --
    Those who sacrifice security to condemn liberty deserve to repeat history or something. - Benjamin Santayana
  783. Windows, UNIX by mirabilos · · Score: 1

    Windows:
    - Volkov Commander (the nc clone)
    - joe (the editor)
    - lynx (the browser)
    - Services for Unix 3.5 (was: Native GNU utilities for Win32, but Interix is better)
    - mirbsdksh (http://mirbsd.bsdadvocacy.org/MirOS/distfiles/mir bsdksh-1.6.cpio.gz)
    - H+BEDV FreeAV
    - Starcraft
    - Diablo II
    - Diablo II LoD
    - CStrike 1.3

    Unix (MirOS BSD, http://mirbsd.de/):
    - joe (ports/editors/jupp)
    - GNU screen (ports/misc/screen)
    - GNU mc (ports/misc/mc)
    - DJB Daemontools (ports/sysutils/daemontools)
    - djbdns (ports/net/djbdns)
    - pine (ports/mail/pine)
    - mpg123 (ports/audio/mpg123)
    - mplayer (ports/x11/mplayer,win32,aa,other flavours)
    - rsync (ports/net/rsync)
    - acroread (including Linux emulation), or gs

    That's just my average.

    --
    My Karma isn't excellent, damn it! (And /. still does not get UTF-8 right in 2012. Wow.)
  784. My 10 (as I just did this last night) by greggman · · Score: 1

    The list is going to be bigger than 10 because I'm not sure what you want to consider. Is a patch the first install? A driver? An Upgrade? So, Until I get 10 apps, here's the order

    0) Win XP Pro
    0a) Motherboard Drivers (Raid, USB, Snd, etc.)
    0b) Network Driver
    0c) Win XP Updates (inclds IE6)
    0d) Video Driver
    0e) DirectX
    0f) WMP 9 (up from 7 in XP)
    0g) DivX, Xvid (gotta have my pr0n)
    0h) IIS (an XP Pro option)
    0i) Messenger 6.1 (up from 4.7)
    1) Google Bar (gotta stop popups)
    2) Dave's Quick Search Bar (can't live without)
    3) Visual Slickedit
    4) Perl
    5) PHP
    6) MySQL
    7) WS-FTP Pro
    8) WinRAR
    9) mIRC (needed xbox updates)
    10) Raphsody
    -------
    11) MS Office (I like Outlook, get over it)
    12) Motino
    13) Photoshop
    14) Thumbsplus
    15) Acrobat
    16) Quicktime
    17) RealPlayer (never had any problems)

    All that is used almost daily. At some point I will also have to install all of the following

    *) VC++ 6.0
    *) VC++.NET
    *) Sound Forge
    *) Acid
    *) Vegas Video
    *) Maya
    *) 3D Studio Max
    *) Thumbs
    *) DirectX SDK
    *) Cygwin
    *) JWPCE
    *) Cool 360

  785. here's my list by MozillaFireBird · · Score: 1
    How come we've never done THIS before? I run Fedora Core2-test1 (yeah, test1. didn't download the other two). Openoffice with the standard install. here's a list of stuff that isn't included in FC2
    1. Mplayer - plays everything :-)
    2. Xmms - 1.2.10 FC comes with 1.2.9
    3. Firefox
    4. aMSN
    5. Thunderbird
    6. d4x
    7. lbreakout2
    8. avidemux2 and mplex - great for my AVI2VCD purpose
    9. wine
    10. VLC Kopete used to be on the list, but it comes packed now. Boy, don't I love my linux box!!! I tried to used windows but tired of installing stuff. C,C++,Perl,Python - why can't MS pack this stuff?
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    Happy Hacking!!!
  786. Top 10 proggies.... by keith_nt4 · · Score: 1
    I'm a mostly adamant windows user. After re-installing Windows I would first install:
    1. NotepadEx (best notepad ever)
    2. CopyPath (best utility ever)
    3. WinRar (obvious)
    4. Kerio Personal Firewall (v.2; v.4 sucks)
    5. Anti-virus/anti-spyware programs
    6. MS Office
    7. Windows updates
    8. Trillian
    9. I also use GameDrive virtual CD software
    10. Depending on mood I also use LiteStep to tweak the Interface.
    --
    "UNIX is very simple, it just needs a genius to understand its simplicity." -Dennis Ritchie
  787. What?? Nearly no protection??? by FlashGordon_CyberDud · · Score: 1

    My first 10: - ZoneAlarm - Norton Anti Virus (Corporate) - AdAware (and apply all Windows patches (naturally)) - Total Commander - Firefox - Thunderbrird - OpenOffice - HTML Kit - MySql Front - TweakUI for XP ... - PHP - MySql - CDex - mIRC

    --


    -> More Tolerance Is Less Extremism <-
  788. try UBC, and G4u by cheekyboy · · Score: 1

    UBC, is ultibate boot cd, really good stuff.

    and it contains G4u, ghost for unix, which is a tiny NetBSD boot image with a disk imager that can backup/restore over FTP too.

    google it, no need to show the url

    --
    Liberty freedom are no1, not dicks in suits.
  789. Windows list I can't live without by Narsindal · · Score: 1
    Assuming the thing is patched and drivers are up to date:

    1. ZoneAlarm (because I don't control our router!)
    2. Norton Antivirus (as long as it's not McAfee)
    3. WinRar (shareware zip util)
    4. Firefox (superior browser)
    5. Y'z Doc (like OSX's magnify bar)
    6. Editplus (text editor - c&p columns!)
    7. Irfanview (freeware image viewer - perfect)
    8. LeechFTP (old but does the job)
    9. EphPod (no bloat ipod software - sourceforge)
    10. foobar2000 (with the remote plugin)
    There are lots of others but ten will do.Oh ok, here's some more:
    NetPerSec, Alcohol 120%, CopyToDVD, Forte Agent, MS Office,
    Real Alternative, Quicktime Alternative, GAIM, VNC, Windows Grep,
    Beyond Compare, Treesize and Ad-aware.
  790. First 10 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    1. MKS Toolkit
    2. UltraEdit-32
    3. Total Commander (Windoze Commander, whatever)
    4. Firefox
    5. Cygwin
    6. GNU Emacs
    7. Ghostscript/Ghostview
    8. GIMP
    9. CoolEdit
    10. Audacity


    (not neccesarily in this order, though)
  791. On Windows by eviljav · · Score: 1

    #1 - Cygwin
    #2 - Some flavor of mozilla
    #3 ... Can't think of any others...

  792. free antivirus by asymptotal · · Score: 1

    does anyone know of a good *free* and *trustworthy* antivirus software for windows?
    (i'm hoping the various oxymorons will cancel out :))

    many years ago, command on demand allowed comprehensive web based scanning for free. but then, those were pre crash days.

    1. Re:free antivirus by Uncle+Gropey · · Score: 1

      Well... you might have seen the term "AVG" being mentioned hundreds of times in this discussion. Failing that, theres also AntiVir.

  793. The first FIVE installs on any Windows system by kris · · Score: 1

    The first FIVE installs on any Windows system are in that order:

    - a personal firewall, because you need one in order to connect an unpatched system to the net and survive
    - all applicable service packs and security patches, approximately the size of the original OS install
    - Antispy
    - Ad Aware
    - Anti Virus Program

    That being finished, four hours later if you don't happen to have a prepared ghostable image, you can begin to actually install useful stuff.

    1. Re:The first FIVE installs on any Windows system by BrK · · Score: 1

      a personal firewall, because you need one in order to connect an unpatched system to the net and survive

      Not if you use a real hardware-based firewall, which trumps the software crap any day...

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    2. Re:The first FIVE installs on any Windows system by Crazen · · Score: 1

      Sorry but that's not true, most firewalls are configured to restrict incomming connections, your browsing and somebody uses an IE exploit to force some code on your machine that makes an outgoing connection, you're SOL. You need both for a secure system.

  794. My tens... (urgh!) by ectoraige · · Score: 1

    On FreeBSD desktop:
    es, vim, cvsup, portupgrade, kde, xfce, wdm, eterm, opera, sylpheed-claws, setiathome

    On FreeBSD server:
    es, vim, cvsup, portupgrade, curl, lynx-ssl, tcl, nmap, cmatrix, apache/dbmail/postgres/neowebscript/bind/setiathom e depending on what it's for...

    On Windows: Putty, Opera, er... er... er... and that's it.
    I then reboot into FreeBSD. Occasionally I'll boot back in, install the latest security updates, and boot out again. But that's about it.
    Oh wait! On my laptop I had to install some partioning software to convert some of the NTFS to FAT32. Oh, and acroread, I think.

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  795. My *only* ten installs by PurifyTheMind · · Score: 1
    • Windows Updates
    • SSH File Transfer client and/or FTP client
    • Firefox
    • PowerDVD
    • Thunderbird
    • Winamp
    • Excel
    • Word
    • Office Updates
    • MSN Messenger

    Everything else I use is built into Windows, like Calculator, Windows Explorer, etc.

  796. Top ten for Linux (one boot into Win2k in 6 mths) by Tayto · · Score: 2, Informative

    1. GNOME 2.6 - everything feels nice - from http://www.gnome.org/ or (for DEB packages) http://pkg-gnome.alioth.debian.org/
    2. Totem - fullscreen capability, great GNOME-based interface, DVD playing - http://www.hadess.net/totem.php3
    3. Video + sound codecs - DivX, Windows Media, etc. - http://mp.dev.hu/homepage/design7/dload.html or from a DEB source listed at http://marillat.free.fr/
    4. muine - queue-style music playing interface - http://muine.gooeylinux.org/
    5. gaim - multi-protocol IM - http://gaim.sourceforge.net/
    6. evolution 1.5 - much more stable for IMAP than 1.4, though a close call with Mozilla Thunderbird - http://www.ximian.com/products/evolution/
    7. azureus - bittorrent client, essential for those anime fansubs - http://azureus.sourceforge.net/
    8. im-ja - Easy to use Kana/Kanji input (Japanese), I'm learning Japanese so I like to add in bits of every so often - http://im-ja.sourceforge.net/
    9. Acrobat Reader - PDF viewer, gpdf doesn't render fonts very well yet - from http://www.acrobat.com/ or (as DEB) from http://www.marillat.fr/
    10. OpenOffice - Sometimes I need to do presentations at work... - http://www.openoffice.org/

    This isn't a "morally pure" list - but really, using non-free software isn't a crime. And I do install Java as well - there are DEB packages available from http://z42.de/debian/.

    And I do install Mozilla, but it's a dependency of GNOME 2.6 - I've been using Epiphany as my browser since 2.6 was installed.

    Hmm, there are 8 pages of comments for this article, who's going to read this :-) But as I said, 6 months without booting into Windows, both in work and at home (that's three machines). DVD watching, DivX watching, music playing, web browsing, chat. What else do you need?

    Well for a complete geek machine, you need the latest 2.6 kernel, udev , D-BUS and hal - see http://www.freedesktop.org/ for details - there are, of course, Debian packages of all these, and they work quite well on all three desktop systems I use.

  797. My 10 starter mix on Linux by The+Flying+Guy · · Score: 1

    From a default Debian woody setup (or unstable)
    1. ssh
    2. mc
    3. elinks
    4. XFree86 (xserver, fonts and required tools)
    5. xterm (hey, debian packages it seperatly)
    6. sawfish
    7. gcc
    8. xmms
    9. mozilla-firefox
    10. mplayer

    although last install was 2 years ago or so, I usually just throw a backup on new boxen

    1. Re:My 10 starter mix on Linux by ncurses · · Score: 1

      using Slackware Linux

      1. Opera
      2. Elinks
      3. Nedit
      4. Naim
      5. Mplayer
      6. Ratpoison

      That's about it. If it doesn't come w/ BitchX I'd probably install that too.

      --
      Help! I'm being repressed!
  798. Putty by G�tz · · Score: 1
    Sorry for nitpicking, but putty isn't under the GPL, but under the MIT license. BTW there's even a Linux port available:

    Putty for UNIX

  799. Proxomitron is NOT dead!!! by Quizo69 · · Score: 1

    Yes, I know that Proxomitron development OF THE MAIN PROGRAM has stopped. However, development of the Filter Sets goes on every day, which is the REAL power of Proxomitron. As you say, JD's set is quite simply awesome, and he's working on the next release (I have the beta and it rocks). Unless the main program stops working on a future OS for some reason, there's nothing inherently wrong with it; certainly it's not to be dismissed because it hasn't been updated for a while.

    If it ain't broke, don't fix it. Remember, Proxomitron's only purpose is as a proxy filter for your browser, accepting filter sets using its own language. It hasn't stopped doing that yet, so why move to somthing else? Just be grateful it hasn't bloated into some monstrosity and remains sleek and simple, fulfilling it's stated purpose admirably even today. I won't surf without it!

    Finally, if you have a good filter set you've customised over time, why not save it as a ZIP or EXE (which I do), and then if you need to reinstall you can simply install Proxomitron, install your own filter set, and you're done!

  800. Re:Top ten for Linux (one boot into Win2k in 6 mth by Doogzee · · Score: 0

    Good list, pretty informative links and stuff too, thanks.

  801. UltimateZip by filenabber · · Score: 1
    I use a free, non-ad version of ultimatezip (2.7 beta 3) and have for a year or so now. Unzips EVERYTHING I have tried. If you want full functionality with no ad, try and find 2.7b3 (if you can't find it, I have the install for it squirreled away and can share)

    Brian

    --
    Are you a Candy Addict?
  802. Knoppix as a free Ghost/DriveImage alternative by stankulp · · Score: 1

    Instead of Ghost or DriveImage, I use Knoppix to copy my Windows 2000 install to another partition. When I want a fresh install I just boot up in Knoppix and copy it back.

    --
    We must be alert to the danger that public policy could become captive to a scientific-technological elite. - Eisenhower
  803. Gentoo Linux... by SuperChuck69 · · Score: 1

    I suggest installing Gentoo Linux. THAT'LL break you of the "reformat every month" bug... Hell, it took me over a month just to get the base system installed on my laptop! And I still can't get the latest kernel version to work!

    --
    :wq
  804. Multiple desktops on windows: Deskwin by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've never used MultiDesk, but I've been VERY pleased with Deskwin

    It's released under GPL, and I've been running it on multiple systems for 2+ years. VERY stable (not a single crash -- EVER) Hardly any overhead, simple to use, and no install. Just copy the file anywhere you'd like, put a shortcut in your startup, configure and you're done. :-)

  805. Ignore by Inexile2002 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Bookmarking thread

  806. Windows 2K/XP registry files by RKBA · · Score: 1

    For Win2K the registry files are in the %Systemroot%\system32\config directory, and I suppose it's probably the same for Windows 5.1 (aka; Windows XP). I have a second bare-bones installation of Win2K on a separate partition just so I can easily save and restore the registry on my primary installation and do other maintenance tasks that involve manipulating system files.

  807. Some auto-installs by danZenie · · Score: 1

    Gator
    Bonzi
    any xxx dialer
    HotBar
    Comet Cursor
    Date Manager
    ezSearchBar
    MySearch
    E-mail Password Logger
    MySearch
    Precision Time

    note: not necessarily in that order

    --
    You need people like me so you can point your fuckin fingers and say, "That's the bad guy." So what that make you? Good?
  808. My Linux / Windows 10 by Sanchez+The+Outlaw · · Score: 1

    In no particular order

    Linux:

    Opera
    Lopster
    K3B
    Mplayer
    Grip
    Gkrellm
    XMM S
    KMail
    KNode
    OpenOffice

    Windows (Not counting the 10,000 security updates):
    WinAmp
    WinZip
    DigiGuide
    Opera
    RealP layer
    PowerDVD
    WinRAR

    Then again its been a long time since I've had to install Windows, still have 98 on my dual boot machine.

  809. I better get a one by Democritus2 · · Score: 0
    I am tired of getting Score:0

    I answered the fucking question so you better give me a one at the very least.

    What, did I piss someone off?

    --

    no god is good

  810. unix/linux by sad_ · · Score: 1

    How about for a Unix machine?

    what about it? linux comes on a few cd's (ranges from 1 to 7 or something) or a dvd and everything is already on there, nothing to install anymore! i'm done... finito...

    oh yeah, i used to get the microsoft truetype fonts but since the bitstream fonts got released i no longer have to do that either...

    on unix, like the wonderfull (not) hpux, i install: bash, ssh, lsof, tar, fileutils, tusc, tcpwrappers, sudo, screen, less, ... (list goes on until eternity)

    --
    On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero.
  811. VMWare by mhense · · Score: 1

    Forget Ghost.
    Forget loosing mahine uptime for re-installs.
    Go out to www.vmware.com and buy a copy.

    I burn a CD or DVD once in awhile to store my images, but my base PC never gets any software other than VMWare installed.

    Multiple OS's.
    Multiple fun.
    And my base OS (VMWare runs on Linux or Windows) is never down.

  812. On a unix install by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Opera, XMMS, GAIM, GIMP, w3m, pine, emacs, flashplugin, java, and the simple joy of "ls -al" :)

    Hostmaster@Video2Video.Com

  813. wrong link by robogun · · Score: 1

    ieradicator is here,. Also, they use active-x in the download, so you need IE to download it before removing IE. But it works, so go figure...

  814. my two cents (windows) by cyberbob2010 · · Score: 1

    warcraft3 (+ expansion) trillian winamp divx directX mozilla CS+ steam dc++ kazzaa lite++ peerguardian

    --
    We seldom regret saying too little but often regret saying too much.
  815. I guess this is basic by thatmikeguy2 · · Score: 1

    This is my 1st post here. I guess this is basic, but here are my installs outside of XP/Favs/Motherboard/Graphics/Printer/Adobe/Java/Qu icktime...updates and software.

    I only shut a few things off such as the recycle bin, system restore, auto updates, remote assistance, messenger, and power options. I leave most everything else alone because I don't see much difference when I tweak much further. It's a fast machine, and I don't need to waste my time trying to get bit extra out of it. I have done that for many years now, and it's just time for me to quit that path of rationalizing my compulsive obsessive habitual neurotic disorder.

    Here is my list..

    1. Windows Commander "Now Totalcommander." Because I have forgotten how to use windows explorer, and it was like Windows 3.1 at the time.
    2. AVG Antivirus "It's free, but most important to me is it doesn't bog my system."
    3. MS Word, because it's uncomplicated and easy for other people that use my computer. I have plenty of templates to get my work done. I got it for $20.00 in a Works2004 bundle.
    4. Nero 6, I love it. "I will use shareware copies of other burning programs if needed such as Alcohol 120, but this rarely happens"
    5. Daemon Tools and Fastmount
    6. Codec Pack All in 1
    7. BSPlayer, it does the job
    8. PowerDVD, it does the job, and they seem to keep it updated.
    9. WinRAR, it does the job fast.
    10. Azreus bittorrent, it's so easy.
    11. Grabit news reader. It's also easy.

    12. I use Norton Ghost to image it all. I don't install it. I use a previously installed copy on a boot CD. http://www.nu2.nu/bootcd/#elghost This just saves me time if I have any problems with others using my system, or incompatibilities with newly installed software.

  816. My first ten on my *personal* computer would be... by Tiram · · Score: 1

    Opera Sylpheed Claws Emacs The Gimp WinSCP BookCAT X-Chat WinZip IrfanView PuTTY On my work computer it would currently be: Opera Sylpheed Claws Emacs WinSCP Cygwin WinCVS WinZip IrfanView PuTTY X-Chat

    --
    The knuckles, the horrible knuckles!
    (I'm a girl, you know)
  817. Re:My first ten on my *personal* computer would be by Tiram · · Score: 1

    That was embarassing ... That's what I get for posting with HTML as default, and not previewing. *sigh*

    • Opera
    • Sylpheed Claws
    • Emacs
    • The Gimp
    • WinSCP
    • BookCAT
    • X-Chat
    • WinZip
    • IrfanView
    • PuTTY

    On my work computer it would currently be:

    • Opera
    • Sylpheed Claws
    • Emacs
    • WinSCP
    • Cygwin
    • WinCVS
    • WinZip
    • IrfanView
    • PuTTY
    • X-Chat
    --
    The knuckles, the horrible knuckles!
    (I'm a girl, you know)
  818. My first 10 things by H3xx · · Score: 1

    Winrar XMPlay - a little-known player for my .mod / .xm files Gaim - connectivity! Firefox PGP ZoneAlarm PuTTY WS_FTP - hey, I like the interface Alcohol 120% - for mapping ISOs and a range of other formats to a drive letter Nero Burning Rom

    --
    "Ubuntu" - an African word meaning "Slackware is too hard for me."
  819. A contractor's toolkit by ebbe11 · · Score: 1
    My list is as follows:
    1. 4NT - I am old enough to use the command line.
    2. Visual Slickedit - my editor of choice. I started out with version 4 and I just sent off the money for the upgrade to version 9 yesterday.
    3. Subversion - 'cause VCS is a must. The place where I work may not use it but I will.
    4. Tortoise SVN - to make my life with a VCS even more easy.
    5. Cygwin - mostly for GCC.
    6. Linkstash - I think this is a much better way to manage bookmarks
    7. Winzip - the latest version. And yes, I've paid for it.
    8. Object Desktop - I've gotten addicted to Object Bar and Object Edit. No, I'm not into skinning...
    9. OE-QuoteFix - makes Outlook Express a bearable newsreader.
    10. ev41 - a free HP-41 emulation for when I need a real calculator. There is a Pocket PC version too.
    --

    My opinion? See above.
  820. redd has no clue about windows obviously. by sgtfluke · · Score: 1

    Install your OS once a month? Anyone who does that doesn't know how to use windows, and then I must wonder what real unix/linux skills you have if you can't even keep your windows xp running well. I'm on my second install(since release) and thats only because of a ibm deskstar failure and my os still runs very fast, but in regards to your post and trying to ignore stupid fact you reinstall your os once a month. These are apps i install, winrar, winamp, googlebar, ms office, msn messenger, nero, mirc, adaware, stylexp, sharaza.

  821. Newsgroup Reader? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What is the best freeware newsgroup reader out there? Once I get my OS up and going, I want to be able to access internet porn as soon as possible...

  822. First Programs by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The progs I install after OS:

    1. ZoneAlarm
    2. McAfee VirusScan Enterprise
    3. Windows Hotfixes (lump 'em all together)
    4. SpyBot S&D
    5. IZarc
    6. iTunes
    7. DC++
    8. AIM
    9. DeadAIM
    10. Alcohol 120%
    11. Photoshop CS
    12. WS-FTP
    13. Sibelius
    14. Reason 2.5
    15. LiteStep (alt. windows shell because Explorer sucks)
    This is all followed by spyware/adware/virus checks and driver updates

  823. Drive Image Pro by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I've used both Ghost and Drive Image Pro and found them comparable. The only difference is that we use Multicasting with Ghost and you have to be pretty careful with it because it'll suck up your networks bandwidth pretty quickly. We used to do it on the corporate LAN and watch all the lights on the switches go solid, but then we got yelled at so now it's on its own private network.

    Drive Image Pro is good for making copies of Linux partitions, which I don't think Ghost supports yet.

  824. first AND last 10 programs by kLaNk · · Score: 1

    (I've included mods for a specific program as only a single program)

    diablo II
    half-life
    all the assorted half-life mods (including CS)
    quake
    all the assorted quake mods
    quake III
    starcraft
    warcraft III
    neverwinter nights
    Alien vs. Predator 2

  825. Re: Windows 2003 Evaluation for 180 days by zero0w · · Score: 1

    Windows 2003 Evaluation edition can be grabbed as a free ISO download as well:

    http://www.microsoft.com/windowsserver2003/evalu at ion/trial/evalkit.mspx
    https://microsoft.order-5. com/windowsserver2003eva ldl/

  826. Re:Can Dev-C++ work with Microsoft free compiler? by zero0w · · Score: 1
    Bloodshed Dev-C++ - Excellent free (GPL) C and C++ IDE, using the Windows GCC port
    Has anyone made Dev-C++ work with the free C++ commandline compilers (Visual C++ Toolkit 2003) released by Microsoft recently?

    Microsoft Visual C++ Toolkit 2003
    http://msdn.microsoft.com/visualc/vctoolkit2 003/
  827. On Linux... by rkaa · · Score: 1

    1: IglooFTP-PRO
    2: latest nVidia driver
    3: build latest trunk CVS of the one and only Mozilla Suite
    4: install some native plugins (Java, Flash, RealONE)
    4: Crossover Plugin + some alien plugins: Quicktime, MSMP, Shockwave for Director
    5: Crossover Office + Mirc
    6: Oh what the heck.. get Opera for Linux as well
    7: xawtv
    8: alevt
    9: Xine
    10: Lean back, find much pleasure in knowing that OpenOffice, Gimp, Ethereal and some insane number of other apps are already installed

  828. 1st 10 programs by 4volt · · Score: 1

    As a webdeveloper, the first 10 programs I install are:

    Windows updates
    Codecs
    Media Player Classic
    Winamp 2.8
    Office
    Photoshop
    Dreamweaver
    FireFox
    Wind ows 2003 Admin pack

  829. Install? I think not. by knewman_1971 · · Score: 1

    I install nothing.

    I put my DVD in the drive and restart my system. Then I go back upstairs and watch Tivo.

    58 minutes later, I have the following:

    Windows XP - SP1a
    All critical patches.
    DX9.0b
    ATI Drivers and control panel
    All device drivers for my system.
    WMP9
    Office 2k3, customized for me, Outlook set for my accounts.
    MusicMatch Jukebox
    Everquest
    Virtual PC
    WinInstallLE
    Quicken 2004 Deluxe
    AVG Antivirus
    PGP8
    DVDShrink
    TeamSpeak
    Trillian Pro
    Putty
    Firefox
    Dreamweaver
    Fireworks.

    Wanna know how? Check MSFN.org.

    --
    where is the "I feel for ya, but that's some funny ass shit" moderation?
  830. No need to reinstall most programs by Cili · · Score: 1

    Here's what I do:
    I keep a 'persistent' folder on another partition than the one with windows, e:\install\
    That's where I put all programs I need that don't need re-installation: Opera, Total Commander, Winrar, Winamp, ShareScan, DC++, EditPlus, GhostZilla, IrfanView, BSPlayer, Trillian etc.

    Microsoft Office, Yahoo Messenger, Bit Defender, KlipFolio all need to be reinstalled.

  831. Hey people, don't forget: by hp46168 · · Score: 1

    ClamAv

    http://clamav.sourceforge.net

    or ClamWin if the Micro$oft banner has to fly high for you at

    http://clamwin.sourceforge.net

    Everybody mentioned Mozilla (cool)

    Nobody mentioned a ramdisk or a customized hosts file.

    Somebody mentioned spybot, but not Ad-Aware.

    Why the Ramdisk? Point your internet cache to it. It really will speed up your browsing, etc, and the best part is you never have to clean your internet cache out again.

    I believe somebody already mentioned the Gimp (It's at 2.0 now, and has some really nifty features, but TWAIN Acquire still DOESN'T WORK under the Microsoft flag. GIMP devs point the finger at the TWAIN people. The TWAIN people don't even know WTF GIMP is.)

    Nobody mentioned Snort.

  832. Be Serious by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Best case I've ever heard for switching to Knoppix!

  833. Slackware 9.1 by DarkMachine · · Score: 1

    First...

    2.6.5 Kernel

    Nvidia Binaries

    Latest SDL(build from source)

    Mplayer and associated Codecs(build from source)

    WineX

    Azureus

    quake3

    quake2

    ut2004

    Warcraft III

  834. Windows 2000 top 10... by Nicolae · · Score: 1

    1. Some form of firewall and AV
    2. WinAmp
    3. Serenade
    4. Juno. (It sucks, but I don't have a choice.)
    5. FireFox
    6. Gaim
    7. mIRC
    8. WinRAR
    9. Metapad
    10. OpenOffice.org

    I haven't really reformatted recently, after the last one I made a ghost image with all my base apps on it.