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Re:No
GreaseMonkey
Greasemonkey is compatible with Firefox 57. Tampermonkey is also available.
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Re:No
GreaseMonkey
Greasemonkey is compatible with Firefox 57. Tampermonkey is also available.
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Re:I'm warming up to FireFox again
>"- Firefox added the ability to block auto-play video. *That* won me over."
Except it doesn't really work right and we are still waiting for it to be fixed (2 years and counting). For some of us, it is critical. In the meantime, the "Flashblocker" addon fixed it all.... and now THAT won't work in 57+ (and never will):
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Re:Firefox 56 64bit, then 57 niether works
How do you import old file without importing al the junk you don't want?
You could manually export things which are important (passwords, bookmarks) and then reinstall your extensions.
Or just push this button: https://support.mozilla.org/en...
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Re:Yes
It's no wonder users and extension authors are fleeing Firefox at such a rapid pace
There are currently 6,383 add-ons compatible with Firefox 57 (see for yourself). More are being added every day. You should relax.
You Firefox fanatics
No, not fanaticism. Just rationality.
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Re:Love it!
You do get that for any application that renders stuff, rendering new stuff faster than the refresh rate of the display is pointless, right? As far as I can tell, all the "speed" enhancements come from a new rendering engine. (There are other stability enhancements that come from killing the old XPCOM extension framework, but those shouldn't make the browser "faster.")
So, yeah, we're talking about frame rates in a browser, because Mozilla seems to be talking about how fast Firefox Quantum can render pages.
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Re:It's NO GO since noscript is DOA
ad blockers for Chrome don't work the same way as on Firefox, specifically because of the API differences
Yes, Firefox's WebExtensions API extends beyond Chrome's in various ways including this one. uBlock Origin works better in Firefox 57 than possible in Chrome (gorhill is the developer of uBlock Origin). Firefox's webRequest API was extended for NoScript's use (NoScript will be released in a couple of days).
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Re:Nope, switched to chrome
give in and switch to the path of least resistance
Which is.. to keep using Firefox? Firefox's WebExtensions API offers more than Chrome's does (see the browser comparison tables). The claims that Firefox is a "Chrome clone" are silly.
uBlock Origin works better in Firefox 57 than possible in Chrome (gorhill is the developer of uBlock Origin). Firefox's webRequest API was extended for NoScript's use (and it will use it when it gets released in a couple of days).
This reminds me of the old Emacs joke posted here. It goes Yeah I love Emacs. It's a great OS it just comes with a shitty text editor.
As a browser webkit beat it a very long time ago regardless of plugins. To me I view Firefox like RealNetworks realplayer or winamp. I heard both are better or were I should say, but who cares this is 2017 the world has moved on. I have not run it many years and neither have my coworkers. My 70 year old father is the only person I am aware of who still uses it.
I do not mean this as offensive to the remaining Firefox users. I really don't. I was once a fanboy since the days of Phoenix. I realistically do not see it mattering anymore nor ever coming back just like the legacy products listed above.
... ok Emacs is still going strong with the older IT nerd crowd and is not going away:-). -
Re:Nope, switched to chrome
give in and switch to the path of least resistance
Which is.. to keep using Firefox? Firefox's WebExtensions API offers more than Chrome's does (see the browser comparison tables). The claims that Firefox is a "Chrome clone" are silly.
uBlock Origin works better in Firefox 57 than possible in Chrome (gorhill is the developer of uBlock Origin). Firefox's webRequest API was extended for NoScript's use (and it will use it when it gets released in a couple of days).
This reminds me of the old Emacs joke posted here. It goes Yeah I love Emacs. It's a great OS it just comes with a shitty text editor.
As a browser webkit beat it a very long time ago regardless of plugins. To me I view Firefox like RealNetworks realplayer or winamp. I heard both are better or were I should say, but who cares this is 2017 the world has moved on. I have not run it many years and neither have my coworkers. My 70 year old father is the only person I am aware of who still uses it.
I do not mean this as offensive to the remaining Firefox users. I really don't. I was once a fanboy since the days of Phoenix. I realistically do not see it mattering anymore nor ever coming back just like the legacy products listed above.
... ok Emacs is still going strong with the older IT nerd crowd and is not going away:-). -
Re:Firefox 57 finally pushed me over to Chrome
And the sad thing is, given the number of people modding you as +1/interesting, I'll bet you're typical of the kind of person here on Slashdot who is constantly complaining about Mozilla's faults without actually knowing what you're talking about. Huzzah for the nerd crew!
Maybe you should do some research before claiming someone doesn't know what they're talking about. This bug report https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1291841, which has been open for over a year, is one of the issues preventing cookie manager extensions from working. Sounds like extension writers are out of luck for now, there isn't even a timeline for when this will be fixed.
I'll bet you're typical of the kind of person here on Slashdot who is constantly complaining about others' faults without actually knowing what you're talking about. Huzzah for the nerd crew!
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Re:Nope, switched to chrome
give in and switch to the path of least resistance
Which is.. to keep using Firefox? Firefox's WebExtensions API offers more than Chrome's does (see the browser comparison tables). The claims that Firefox is a "Chrome clone" are silly.
uBlock Origin works better in Firefox 57 than possible in Chrome (gorhill is the developer of uBlock Origin). Firefox's webRequest API was extended for NoScript's use (and it will use it when it gets released in a couple of days).
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Re:Nope, switched to chrome
give in and switch to the path of least resistance
Which is.. to keep using Firefox? Firefox's WebExtensions API offers more than Chrome's does (see the browser comparison tables). The claims that Firefox is a "Chrome clone" are silly.
uBlock Origin works better in Firefox 57 than possible in Chrome (gorhill is the developer of uBlock Origin). Firefox's webRequest API was extended for NoScript's use (and it will use it when it gets released in a couple of days).
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Re:Pros and Cons
I've bookmarked GhostText as a potential replacement for It's All Text, though I'm still holding onto FF56 for NoScript, the Debian testing package (it landed in unstable just today), and a few security fixes (like this DOMParser cookie bug). It actually looks better in some regards. Learn more on its GitHub page.
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Better managed alternatives
Alternatives:
Waterfox portable.
Pale Moon 64-bits
Pale Moon 32-bits
Pale Moon Portable
Ghostery does not install in Pale Moon, so I use the Disconnect extension. Disconnect's interface is not as well-designed. -
Re:Extensions, though :-(
Live HTTP Headers ( https://addons.mozilla.org/en-... )is one of my favorite extensions, but it doesn't seem to work under v57. Hopefully it's ported over some time.
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Many dealbreakers just from mozilla.org frontpage
If you visit mozilla.org the first thing you'd see is the announcement of the browser and this screenshot:
https://www.mozilla.org/media/...
"Top Sites", "Pocket".
And you see an immediate link "Firefox Privacy Notice" that says how it shares data by default.
So many deal breakers just from the front page alone. Why would ANYONE want to switch from Palemoon to Firefox?
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Re:Looks like I will have to wait until 58 comes o
Found the solution to return the page loading tab animation to the old behavior.
"page load status symbol in each tab"
https://support.mozilla.org/en...
"It seems developer edition (edition 57) has changed the little "spinning wheel" page load status symbol in each tab from the "spinning dots" to a single dot that goes back and forth (left to right). Is there any way to change that back to the "spinning dots"? "It requires editing or creating userChrome.css"
.( Instructions here on how to find and edit userChrome.css: https://support.mozilla.org/en... ) .tab-throbber[busy]::before {
background-image: url("chrome://global/skin/icons/loading.png") !important;
animation: unset !important;
} .tab-throbber[busy]:not([progress])::before { /* Grays the blue during "Connecting" state */
filter: grayscale(100%);
}
@media (min-resolution: 2dppx) { .tab-throbber[busy]::before {
background-image: url("chrome://global/skin/icons/loading@2x.png") !important;
}
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Re:Looks like I will have to wait until 58 comes o
Found the solution to return the page loading tab animation to the old behavior.
"page load status symbol in each tab"
https://support.mozilla.org/en...
"It seems developer edition (edition 57) has changed the little "spinning wheel" page load status symbol in each tab from the "spinning dots" to a single dot that goes back and forth (left to right). Is there any way to change that back to the "spinning dots"? "It requires editing or creating userChrome.css"
.( Instructions here on how to find and edit userChrome.css: https://support.mozilla.org/en... ) .tab-throbber[busy]::before {
background-image: url("chrome://global/skin/icons/loading.png") !important;
animation: unset !important;
} .tab-throbber[busy]:not([progress])::before { /* Grays the blue during "Connecting" state */
filter: grayscale(100%);
}
@media (min-resolution: 2dppx) { .tab-throbber[busy]::before {
background-image: url("chrome://global/skin/icons/loading@2x.png") !important;
}
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Re:Tree Style Tabs ported
I wish Video DownloadHelper would get ported
Version 7 has been released with Firefox 57 support.
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Re:Extensions, though :-(
Good thing you can always go back to Firefox 56.
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Use LibreJS or LibreJS 7.0 alpha
we will no longer be able to monitor and audit the content of web pages and the scripts
Then use one of the following Firefox extensions developed by the GNU project to block running JavaScript that you can't audit.
- If you are using Firefox 56 or earlier, use LibreJS.
- If you are using Firefox 57 or later, use LibreJS 7.0 alpha.
I imagine that once WebAssembly becomes widespread, LibreJS 7.0 alpha will be updated to cover WebAssembly as well.
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Use LibreJS or LibreJS 7.0 alpha
we will no longer be able to monitor and audit the content of web pages and the scripts
Then use one of the following Firefox extensions developed by the GNU project to block running JavaScript that you can't audit.
- If you are using Firefox 56 or earlier, use LibreJS.
- If you are using Firefox 57 or later, use LibreJS 7.0 alpha.
I imagine that once WebAssembly becomes widespread, LibreJS 7.0 alpha will be updated to cover WebAssembly as well.
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Re:This is great but.
What browser do you think people are using that doesn't receive regular updates?
Firefox ESR doesn't have WebAssembly.
People continue using Firefox ESR because it still runs XUL extensions. People continue using XUL extensions because the WebExtensions framework lacks counterparts to APIs on which XUL extensions relied. For example, WebExtensions lacks anything like XUL keysets, which makes it impossible to override keyboard shortcuts. This has been reported as bug 1325692, which was marked "wontfix" for Firefox 57. Gregorio "Lord Kamina" Litenstein, developer of the Keybinder extension, gave up when he realized that WebExtensions lacked a way to override keyboard shortcuts and wouldn't be getting one any time soon.
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Re:Extensions, though :-(
The real bear is losing extensions that take out LSOs - aka SuperCookies. The "suggested replacement" for Self-Destructing Cookies doesn't remove LSOs... thus it is not a replacement. The API is there now, but the author hasn't gotten off his ass yet to implement it. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-...
Also Gestures extensions are worse, though at least somebody's trying. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-...
Also no more tab groups - aka Panorama - which sucks ass. Not upgrading until I can get that, and will in fact LEAVE FIREFOX until I can get that.
And... and... and... WTF WERE THEY THINKING??? Make it so addon authors need to update things and/or re-create is bad enough, but then remove the underlying functionality? That's insane! It shouldn't be LESS CAPABLE.
Ugh.
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Re:Extensions, though :-(
The real bear is losing extensions that take out LSOs - aka SuperCookies. The "suggested replacement" for Self-Destructing Cookies doesn't remove LSOs... thus it is not a replacement. The API is there now, but the author hasn't gotten off his ass yet to implement it. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-...
Also Gestures extensions are worse, though at least somebody's trying. https://addons.mozilla.org/en-...
Also no more tab groups - aka Panorama - which sucks ass. Not upgrading until I can get that, and will in fact LEAVE FIREFOX until I can get that.
And... and... and... WTF WERE THEY THINKING??? Make it so addon authors need to update things and/or re-create is bad enough, but then remove the underlying functionality? That's insane! It shouldn't be LESS CAPABLE.
Ugh.
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Tree Style Tabs ported
Piro's Tree Style Tabs has been ported to 57:
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-...So I'm on board. No other browser offers this functionality still and its my must have feature. Vivaldi has something similar, but not the same.
I wish Video DownloadHelper would get ported though. That could be a problematic change.
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Re:Chrome & Safari are only browsers that matt
But not changing the rendering engine.
That isn't the case. You should read about the changes in 57 and the changes to come
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Re:Chrome & Safari are only browsers that matt
But not changing the rendering engine.
That isn't the case. You should read about the changes in 57 and the changes to come
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Re:How about giving users a choice?
Bug 1325692 causes data loss by making it impossible to disable the Ctrl+Q shortcut to quit. In the XUL era, one would use Keybinder, but the replacements for Keybinder are incompatible with the Linux version of Firefox because of bug 1325692.
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Bug 1325692 marked as wontfix
The Firefox develops gave plenty of notice of this change, allowing add-on developers lots of time to upgrade and ensure their add-ons still work.
Yet they mark some admittedly missing WebExtension functionality as "wontfix". See comment 11 by Andy McKay to Bug 1325692 - [commands] Explicit support for overriding built-in keyboard shortcuts by WebExtensions: "Removing flags, this API is not going to be written in time to for Firefox 57."
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Original Article
Better to get content from the source. BleepingComputer appears to just read Mozilla blogs and repackage them as its own. Here's the original Mozilla blog post.
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Re:Firefoxalypse
Aside from the fact that I find it subjectively ugly, I dislike it because I think the design is unusable outside of a very base case of 2-4 tabs. Tabs-on-top is also a huge pain in the ass when using Remote Desktop or anything else that puts a bar along the top of the screen. It also goes against all OS design guidelines by removing the window title bar and system menus which makes muscle memory around those UI elements worthless. I could go on, but it doesn't really matter.
You can hide the connection bar. There's also Tree Style Tabs.
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Pale Moon seems the best, at present.
That is my experience with Pale Moon, also. The latest version, 27.6.0 (64-bits), is far more stable than Firefox. Recently I had to do a lot of research. I had 55 windows and 135 tabs open. There were no problems.
Pale Moon 64-bits
Pale Moon 32-bits
Pale Moon Portable
Ghostery does not install in Pale Moon, so I use the Disconnect extension.
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Re:Firefoxalypse
There's an Adblock Plus XUL-based fork for Pale Moon
Adblock Plus works in Firefox 57. Personally, I use uBlock Origin.
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Re:Firefoxalypse
There's an Adblock Plus XUL-based fork for Pale Moon
Adblock Plus works in Firefox 57. Personally, I use uBlock Origin.
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Re:How about giving users a choice?
including some used for security
Like what? uBlock Origin works in Firefox 57, so does Adblock Plus, so does Ghostery, so does Privacy Badger, so does HTTPS Everywhere, etc. The only one missing from AMO at the moment is NoScript but that will be released soon.
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Re:How about giving users a choice?
including some used for security
Like what? uBlock Origin works in Firefox 57, so does Adblock Plus, so does Ghostery, so does Privacy Badger, so does HTTPS Everywhere, etc. The only one missing from AMO at the moment is NoScript but that will be released soon.
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Re:How about giving users a choice?
including some used for security
Like what? uBlock Origin works in Firefox 57, so does Adblock Plus, so does Ghostery, so does Privacy Badger, so does HTTPS Everywhere, etc. The only one missing from AMO at the moment is NoScript but that will be released soon.
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Re:How about giving users a choice?
including some used for security
Like what? uBlock Origin works in Firefox 57, so does Adblock Plus, so does Ghostery, so does Privacy Badger, so does HTTPS Everywhere, etc. The only one missing from AMO at the moment is NoScript but that will be released soon.
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Re:How about giving users a choice?
including some used for security
Like what? uBlock Origin works in Firefox 57, so does Adblock Plus, so does Ghostery, so does Privacy Badger, so does HTTPS Everywhere, etc. The only one missing from AMO at the moment is NoScript but that will be released soon.
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Re:How about giving users a choice?
including some used for security
Like what? uBlock Origin works in Firefox 57, so does Adblock Plus, so does Ghostery, so does Privacy Badger, so does HTTPS Everywhere, etc. The only one missing from AMO at the moment is NoScript but that will be released soon.
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Re:Video is the real devil
Firefox has an option to disable media autoplay. https://support.mozilla.org/en...
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Re:Firefoxalypse
I dread updating to Firefox 57, because it will break all of my plugins.
Apparently some editions of version 57 will continue to support "legacy" (bootstrap, XUL, etc) addons via a preference setting, including the developer and unbranded versions. This might be an option if you really want to upgrade to 57 but still want your addons.
Personally 56 is the end of the Firefox line for me. I completely reject the horrible Australis interface and the push towards the gimped and incapable Chrome-style Web Extensions. Firefox had a good run, but its Chromification is now complete and there's little reason to continue using it.
Waterfox or Pale Moon will probably be my Firefox replacement. Does anyone have any comments or suggestions on migrating to one of them?
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Download Link...
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Re:This is one of the reasons
Yes. The webRequest API was all thought through 18 months ago.
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Re:Or you know...
How well does it work with anything that isn't either a Firefox PC or the cancelled Firefox phone?
Works fine. Anything that has a Firefox browser has Firefox sync. You can sync between Windows and macOS and iOS and Android.
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Re:This is one of the reasons
Now comes the one big update to break every extension one last time
This irrational claim contributes nothing. As of now 5,923 add-ons are compatible with Firefox 57. More will follow.
Deal with it.
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Re:This is one of the reasons
Now comes the one big update to break every extension one last time
This irrational claim contributes nothing. As of now 5,923 add-ons are compatible with Firefox 57. More will follow.
Deal with it.
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Disabled by default
Just read the bugzilla thread. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/s... This is part of the `privacy.resistFingerprinting` preference which is disabled by default for all users. So developers who actually legitimately use canvas shouldn't be hit too hard. Just another post on the FAQ page.
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Re:I find this hard to believe
the damned browser is allowing ad companies to shovel mountains of video onto the local drive
So use an ad blocker. Problem solved. uBlock Origin is a good one.