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Whatever happened to personal responsibility?

ROFL. That's been gone a long time. Watch this video to the end and see what Peggy has to say about personal responsibility.

""Middle class" used to mean a small home and a single car, or a modest apartment if you lived in a city -- plus entertainment/disposable income that's a fraction of what people spend today (as a fraction of their income, but probably in absolute terms when you adjust for inflation, too)."

"Bankruptcy law expert and Harvard University Professor Elizabeth Warren spent a lot of time crunching consumer spending numbers for her popular books, "The Fragile Middle Class" and "The Two-Income Trap." In both, she makes this point: Despite all those $200 sneakers you hear about and the long lines at Starbucks, consumers are actually spending less of their income - much less - on discretionary items like clothing, entertainment and food than their parents did. In fact, after taking care of essentials like housing and health care, today's middle class has about half as much spending money as their parents did in the early 1970s"

What's your source?

Looks like it was after they hauled him out.

Not only were regular citizens able to videotape it, but Meyer's personal videographer was apparently able to as well. That lends a stink to this whole thing that he went in there looking for a fight. With as much as he was fighting (two large guys couldn't get his arms together to cuff them, even with people sitting on the kid) there's no question he was resisting arrest.

His performance after the arrest is awesome it how cliche it is. He's clearly performing for the camera and wants the publicity. Who makes a huge public scene and then actually worries the cops are going to kill him? Either he's insane or it was rhetorical nonsense designed to win over the "amerikkka is a police state!" contingent.

There's a much longer version of the video here.

I find a couple things interesting in that video, namely:

1.) The person videotaping knew him and followed him. It gives the impression that he wanted footage of his "performance."
2.) His reaction after they had him cuffed is bizarre, and seems almost like some form of theater. He keeps screaming about why he is being arrested and they keep trying to talk him into calming down. Then there's the stuff about his belief that they're going to kill him. Also he doesn't have any ID on him? He was at a university event without a student ID? I'm not saying he wasn't a student, but anyone who is a student knows you need ID to get into student events.

The fact that a taser didn't subdue this kid in any conceivable way is huge proof to me that he was out of control. I saw a local girl tasered at a protest (she was basically laying in street with heavy traffic and fighting with the cuffs in the same way this kid was) and it didn't take 3 seconds of electricity till she was completely compliant and too afraid to ignore the orders of the cops.

The fact that the entirety of the event is him escalating matters while the cops try to get him calmed down and removed from the building says to me he went in there looking for a confrontation. I'd love to know what happened before he went into the auditorium (as apparently the cops were concerned about him even then and followed him in.)

A video that shows what happened to Andrew Meyer after the police pulled him out of the hall: http://video.nbc6.net/player/?id=157250

this video clearly shows the whole incident, from beginning to end. The guy was getting out of control and wouldn't relinquish control of the microphone (plus, his questions were a little loopy). From the video, it's pretty obvious the police were going to escort him out (the first cop just places her hand on his back and tries to show him the door), but he resisted. After another 30 seconds or so of waiting on this guy the cop decides it's time to be a little more direct, and she starts to move him out.

More importantly, once they wrestle this guy to the ground (after about a minute of his resisting arrest) they tell him numerous times that if he doesn't place his hands behind his back and comply with the officers' requests that he's going to be tased. So only after the guy refuses to leave the microphone, after he resists arrest, and after he refuses to comply with directives given to him while he's on the ground do the officers taser him. From the officers' standpoint it very much looks like, absent tasing, this guy just isn't going to comply at all - even in handcuffs. I'm sorry, but what's the story here?

As a side note, it's pretty clear this guy was not in full posession of his faculties. At the end of the video, he starts ranting about how the other students need to be sure to "ask about the guy who was arrested at the Kerry rally" because he fears that he's going to be killed. He also refuses to give his name to the police (and as we all learned in Hibel v. Nevada, you may not have to show ID, but you do have to identify yourself to police officers).

Anyway, this is a non-story. Watch the video. Crazy guy resists arrest; Crazy guy gets tased.

Here's the link to the case http://www.nbc6.net/news/2825486/detail.html

Note the statement :

Sarasota County sheriffs are focusing on 37-year-old Joseph Smith. He's identified as a convicted drug felon and is in custody on a probation violation charge unrelated to the disappearance of Brucia. Joseph Smith Smith, (pictured, right) has previously been arrested on kidnapping and false imprisonment charges.

He's the perfect limousine liberal, except he looks and dresses like a skid row slob.

This project was started by Hank Asher. He had to take his name off the company, because of his past. Following are links to info regarding this man. You tell me? Is this the guy we trust to secure this kind of information?
Florida's flawed "voter-cleansing" program
Old American Century google for more.

Right on. NASA really DO need the competition, given things like this.

Ahh yes, all hijackers are muslim extremists, ahh okay, let's turn to our old friend google and take the first 3 links:

In Russia, we have this story

And did you forget about CUBAN hijackers?

And if you look at this article, oh wow, look, peruvians, algerians, columbians, brazilians

In the future please make sure your rantings are equal opportunity , thanks.

You have some real warped sense of 'self defense.' Or maybe you can provide some evidence of when and where the US was attacked.

The UN has authority in this situation, not the bush administration.

The bush administration has lied about aluminum tubes supposedly acquired for enriching uranium, "the war will take weeks, not months", Iraq was actively trying to acquire uranium, the "coallition of convenience" is made up of nations who support the bush administration's invasion, 35 countries are providing "critical support" in the coallition of convenience, the "coallition of convenience" is larger than the 1991 gulf war, 8000 soldiers of the 51st division surrendered, Umm Qasr was taken on Sunday, er... no, Monday... no, make that Tuesday.9 times Umm Qasr was "taken."
I could go on and on and on, but I know I'm probably just wasting my time.

Since this thread started, you've consistently said, "show me proof" while making outlandish claims about bombs strapped to buildings and misfiring SAM launcers. Since this thread began, you haven't provided a whit of evidence to support your position. Since this thread began, I've consistently provided links. So unless you want to start posting evidence to support your claims, don't bother asking for it anymore.

Oh, and since you didn't manage to watch the news, let me catch you up on current events:

The bush administration bombed a crowded marketplace.