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It is said that all the violence on tv, on video games, on the news and in public desensitizes people to do hideous things, kill others (columbine) as well as do other horrible things.

Censorship desensitizes people to beleive that there is no swearing, there is no pornography, there is no violence. Hear no evil, see no evil, speak no evil.

When you realize the real world exists, you turn out extremely messed up because you can't deal with things that Cant POSSIBLY exist



Kris
botboy60@hotmail.com
Nerdnetwork.net

As an avid fan of science fiction, I can see where katz is coming from. Here is my teardown of some of his comments:

Responding to the announcement that the Human Genome Project was complete, President Clinton gushed that "Today we are learning the language in which God created life."

Oh shit clinton's going to get his ass wiped by some atheist. Bringing god into any discussion of technology is a bad, bad idea. Everyone has a different idea of what "playing god" is. Remember, if god didn't want people playing him he would have killed them by now. Test tube babies were considered to be "playing god" too. But today they help couples who could not conceive naturally. This is a blessing to many couples, not "playing god"

The project itself was announced Monday like an NFL playoff game -- the U.S. might not have thought much about the evolution of genetic research, but it sure loves a high-stakes contest. Headlines all over the country announced that a cure for cancer, heart disease, aging, depression and aging may well be imminent.

A cure for cancer, heart disease, depression or (in my case) diabetes are not a bad thing. Why it says a cure for aging twice I do not know but a cure for aging is bad. Soylent green. When people live too long they must begin to eat their dead or each other because there are no resources left.

No presidential candidate has ever made technology a serious campaign issue, unless it's to warn about sex online or to urge the distribution of V-chips and blocking software to protect children from techno-driven culture

Protect children?! HA! The children are the ones who know better than the censors how to avoid porn. All these v-chips and censorware do is give parents the opportunity to protect their kids from the real world. Guess what mommies and daddies, when little timmy grows up he will figure out what porn is and that the world is not a peachy place. Filters are for irresponsible children raised by irresponsible parents. Software is no substitute for trust.

Online, 15-year-olds who master Linux boxes think they understand technology itself, and it's curious, often erratic and ominous history. In America, the best minds in the country are holed up in California think tanks dreaming up wireless phones and hand-held computers that access sports scores 24/7 so that fans won't have to bother to turn on the car radio for results or wait two minutes for their e-mail or stock prices.

Katz is so fucking stupid here it's funny. Yes, I am a 15 year old boy. Yes, I work on linux boxes. I know what the genome is and what it can do. The problem with katz's argument is that the 15 year olds DO UNDERSTAND THE TECHNOLOGY BETTER THAN EVERYONE ELSE. It is not for katz to say that certain people are stupider based on their age group. I can talk tech to 30-40 year olds and scare the shit out of them. My best friends are all programmers. I have more technology experience than half the computer support staff at most repair places. My uncle owns one. He wants to employ me there when I can drive because I already know more than his techsperts.

There is nothing wrong with handheld computers and mobile phones with WAP access. The only difference is the media. If you could check sports scores using both the radio and the computer then it is your choice which media to use. That's the wonder of technology.

Fertility drugs are a perfect metaphor for -- and a warning to the world -- of America's insane approach to complicated issues like this one. Critics are quickly dismissed as Luddites or simpletons. In the U.S., couples are applauded for bringing six, seven, even eight children into the world at once even though medical experts warn that such children face grave physical risks and emotional problems. President Clinton, who called the genome map the "most wondrous map ever produced by humankind" was also one of the first people to call up the parents of Iowa's McCaughey septuplets and congratulate them on bringing seven kids into the world, even though the parents admitted they couldn't afford or care for the children they'd given birth to, and whose lives, said doctors, had been put at extreme risk. Dozens of companies plied the family with gifts and money.

President clinton cannot regulate stupidity even if he endorses it. Dealing with irresponsible parents are not the goverments job. It's their problem. You wonder why there is such a debate about distributing birth control at high schools? There shouldn't be. The goverment shouldn't have to put money in welfare for some stupid teenage girl who got knocked up. It costs the goverment money and makes all our taxes higher. No one wins. If the parents cannot take care of their own children then child protection steps in. If there weren't stupid and irresponsible parents then there wouldn't be child protection services. Birth control is not the problem. That stupid people can use it to duplicate in mass numbers is the problem.

This scenario has been raised by visionaries like Arthur C. Clarke -- who reminds us that today's cure is sometimes tomorrow's disease -- and in prescient movies like "Gattaca," which foresee the unpredictable consquences of rushing to shape natural life, and the almost sure discrimination that comes from the inevitable use of gene characteristics to identify "healthy" and "unhealthy" characteristics, usually defined by medical and scientific elites and by their employers, profit-making corporations who invariably co-opt science and scientists.

I cannot remember the title at the moment but I seem to remember reading a story about a war between the "norms" and the "non-norms". Norms were normal people who were conceived naturally. Non-norms were superhumans with IQ's of 400 and they all looked the same with none of the problems that were associated with the "norms". Of course, the non-norms were hitlers perfect race, all smart caucatians (sp?) with blue eyes and blond hair. The non-norms started killing off norms when they were not the majority of the population, and the norms fought to get enough spaceships to build a space colony far away from 21st century earth. Norm or not, hate and rasicm will still be a problem in the future. All science fiction eventually leads to that. Like frankenstein. Especially frankenstein.

Quality control is the perfect term for some aspects of genetic research. As of this week, quality control is truly possible for humans. Parents invevitably, even understandably, will seek perfect children.

Parents creating "perfect children" will be self sufficent at 2 weeks old, never question their parents or authority, and have ridalin produced in their pancreas.
Free thinkers are dangerous. Everyone knows that.

As a society, we may soon be able to get rid of obnoxious, anger and dissent along with cancer and heart disease.

Individualism and "wierdness" could show up in the new human map, along with tendencies towards anger, dissent, and bad skin.

Well I don't give a shit what the genetic engineers or society want me to do. I want my children to be "weird". Most weirdness is caused by enviorment. In order to eliminate all traces of weirdness several generations of a perfect society would have to progress. All those weird people are the ones who change the world. When all of society is a drone, nobody will care about changing the world. Nobody will have ambitions. Nobody will care. I want to be weird. I want my children to be weird. I want my grand children to be weird and god help me if someone wants to change that I'll tear their head off. I don't care what you will say about teasing and everything else that goes along with being "weird". Half of those "weird" people in the hellmouth discussion were owning big companies and making tons of dollars while the "perfect" kids (jochs) were working at mcdonalds for minimum wage. I want my family to be successful. Even at the price of being different than the rest of society. When you're old enough to realize this, you'll understand. Mother theresa once said that "in the end, it is between you and god. It was never between you and them anyway." So I want to be "different"
And I want my kids to fight. If we had dissent bred out of the human race america would still be a british colony. Of course there are many other scenarios but a society lacking dissent is a society afraid of change.

From the perspective of the rest of the planet, it's hard to see why the United States would use this profound new technology wisely and equitably when anyone who picks up any Ivy League school newspaper can find ads offering tens of thousands of dollars for the eggs of brainy blonde preppies

And people who sell their eggs for tens of thousands of dollars is not only a sellout of their body but quite a bit more preppy and blonde than brainy.

For all that this research is being hailed as the greatest boon to mankind, it could just as easily become humanity's greatest nightmare. "How dare you sport thus with life?" asks Frankenstein of his creator, who loved technology but was impatient when it came to thinking much about how he was going to use it. The monster never got an answer. Now we're all waiting

Of course we're all waiting. And until society thinks about things like this in depth we will wait for a long, long time.

Society changes people and people change society seems like an interesting ending thought. Because when the perfect child v2.0 is released then society won't change anybody because everyone is the same and people won't change society because changing society would make you "weird".

So screw all the normal people.



Kris
botboy60@hotmail.com
Nerdnetwork.net

Funny how stupid some people are.

In Southern California a few months ago a girl got wasted and shot at a group of cops. Guess what, cops don't like being shot at by some stoner and they shot her dead.

Now stoneheads family is suing the gun company (raven) on the basis that had raven never made the gun, she wouldn't have been able to shoot at cops. And the cops couldn't have killed her because some of the cops had raven handguns as well. The lack of logic here is that had stonehead or the cops not had a raven handgun they would have had some other type of handgun. Pick up a copy of guns monthly and look in the back. There are thousands of manufacters making other guns.

Now that I'm finished with that stupid analogy, let me explain why I used it. Stonehead was not a responsible person. Or else she wouldn't have gotten stoned, wouldn't have had cops watching her and wouldn't have been shooting at cops. It is not the cops fault that she got stoned, it is not the cops fault that she shot at them, it is not the cops fault that she was not a responsible person. It is the cops fault that she got killed by cops but they did that in self defense. You would shoot back too. It is not the ISP's fault that they have irresponsible people (hackers) getting through their servers. It is not the isp's fault that the hackers managed to hack nike's site through their servers. It is however the ISP's fault that they didn't shoot back. If they got killed by hackers it is their own fault. They should've banned those IPs/accounts or blocked access to nike's website.

And being too stupid to defend themselves is why this is a completely frivolous lawsuit. I hope nike wins in court.



Kris
botboy60@hotmail.com
Nerdnetwork.net

I just wonder how much steve jobs bribed intel to not only make a pc processor that sounds like the g4 (thus causing people to get confused and buy apples) but also is no longer named after his main competitor in the os game.



Kris
botboy60@hotmail.com
Nerdnetwork.net

The worst part of this is that our goverment is doing nothing to stop this. My forefathers fought long and hard and died trying to protect my freedom to have free speech and now some company wants to take it away from me? FUCK THEM. What's next if large corporations are allowed to sue people for their websites? Will the christian coalition be able to sue the owners of a website because it's owned by a muslim/sikh/buddhist/anything else or expresses muslim/sikh/buddhist/anything else beliefs? There are of course thousands of other examples I could make but the concept is the same.

See what happens when grossly stupid and uneducated people get large sums of money and a lawyer(s)?

If you need an example look at lars ulrich.

One who is stupid enough to try and slow technology is a fool, but one who tries to Stop technology is an even greater one.

I suggest finding all the legal ways to fight the riaa and pursuing them. Anarchy is a great thing. Especially on the internet. Deface their website. Grafiti their buildings. Key their mercedes and jags. Let them know that you don't support them.

Go ahead and boycott CD's for all I care. Because god knows cd prices will rise with all the legal costs associated with ingnorant lawsuits.

So sue napster, sue mp3board for "providing a service". Go ahead and do it, the masses will move to freenet. Or whatever comes after freenet.

The analogy that I see suing a service provider for providing a service is like suing the cornerstore for not putting in videocameras to catch theives because you got caught. Because it made it easier to steal, and you got the bad side of it with suspicious clerks and higher prices.

There will be a bad side to all this. Don't make it sound like there won't be a bad side.

If the RIAA can overthrow 1st amendment then I suppose that (insert slimeball company here) can overthrow reasonable search and warrant laws so they can raid your house to make sure they aren't being stolen from. How would you like to have a bunch of metallica goons running into your house with you at gunpoint so they can look at all the MP3's you have and make sure none of them are pirated. The scenario is completely possible with a software company doing the same to make sure none of Their software is being pirated. Or any other company making "sure" that you don't have any ill gotten products of theirs. I may not have any but I nevertheless don't wish them to knock down my door because they think I am not a trustworthy person or because of random checking. Fahrenheit 451 with software instead of books.

Don't let your ignorance be your bliss.



Kris
botboy60@hotmail.com
Nerdnetwork.net

Katz, you don't seem to have made so much as any mention of the soundtrack... Lit's I'm in over my head song and music video are great, even if the movie aint. Lit forever!



Kris
botboy60@hotmail.com
Nerdnetwork.net

I think that the whole metallica Vs. napster shit is all about how we aren't responsible for our actions in america.

Scenario: Let's say that I walk into the supermarket and walk by the candy stand and see a piece of candy (song) that I like. If I steal that candy, yes, it is stealing. If I eat it (listen to MP3) and then pay for it before I leave the store (buy CD), is it stealing? I don't think so.

But on the other hand, if I were a little boy named metallica that ratted out a person (330,000) because I stole a piece of candy, then sued the store for making the candy so easy to steal (napster makes music easy to pirate), what is wrong with this picture?

If a person makes a product and it goes to a store, and someone steals it, it is the persons responsibility to not steal. Not the stores, even though the store has videocameras so they don't get ripped off and as such lose money. The music industry sees this as bad because they are getting ripped off while smaller (and better than metallica) bands are getting more of a market share because of services like napster. It makes it easier for people to pirate music, yes, but it also makes it easier for people to get descent music from lesser known bands. The ones lars said that were great but got turned down by the recording company, they are going online to publicize themselves, and guess what, they're killing the music industry cash cows. The music industry relies on one hit wonders, and they know it. Napster kills one hit wonders because you don't have to pay 14 dollars for a hansen CD then realize that they really suck and you shouldn't have bought it anyway. And most stores have a policy of no CD returns. So instead of being stuck, you can delete the MP3 with one swift keystroke, and rid yourself of the crappy music $14 richer. Kill the cash cow and metallica.

Join Us.



Kris
botboy60@hotmail.com
Nerdnetwork.net

As entertaining as it may be for us to think of a world with wars fought in VR, the logic of war does not seem to apply here.

What do I mean? Ask any veteran how many people he knew died in vietnam, or world war II, or korea, or desert storm. People died in these wars. The "winning" country only won because they killed more people on the opposing side. Ever hear of a body count? That was the number of people, civilian or not, that were murdered in vietnam, under specific leuitenants. And we didn't "win" in vietnam, even though we killed a great many people.

And the Nazi's didn't win, even though they killed six million jews in their country. Not that they were fighting against jews as a war, more of an ethnic cleansing. And nazi germany didn't "win" against anyone.

So you tell me, if some idiot from your country loses a giant video game, will you give up your land? Your country? Your valuable?

Didn't think so. Bloodshed is a painful but necessary part of war. Fantasize as we may about wars minus death, it will never happen. Don't kid yourself.



Kris
botboy60@hotmail.com
Nerdnetwork.net

it amazes me to see the level of stupidity of slashdotters as a whole. First you act so immature (not a suprise, since most slashdotters are between the ages of 12-15 anyway

My you are a bright one. I'm 14.

The point of the original post was not to say that lars or any of his fans are idiots (no comment on whether they are or not) but that if he expects to get ANY support from slashdotters then he really should rethink his argument. If he thinks that it is okay to be hypocritical about his own actions then think it is okay to ban 330000 fans from sharing his work he SERIOUSLY needs to think.

Pissing off the open source community is not a good idea. Some people are smart enough to know how to get around the pathetic implementations of metallica to ban their fans. Remember, when they banned all of those people, they lost previous customers, current ones, and future ones. Most people, myself included, eventually buy the CD's anyway, or delete the MP3 because it sucks. I don't know why metallica is wasting their time. If they do manage to get all popular artists to ban their users from napster, they will still be rich from selling t-shirts and concert tickets, and people will realize that all that indie music that's left on napster is pretty damn good anyway.



Kris
botboy60@hotmail.com
Nerdnetwork.net

I think that the reason that netPD's bot was not banned was that they weren't using it to download off of the napster service, just to query their service to see what metallica songs were downloaded. I am sure that napster would have permanently banned netPD's IP but I would think that it would 1) cause legal problems and 2) I think that napster probably monitors which people are downloading over a few thousand songs/day to ban, since one would assume that few people have that sort of connectivity or time.



Kris
botboy60@hotmail.com
Nerdnetwork.net

Actually, they are trying to protect what little product they have left because their music sucks and they know it.



Kris
botboy60@hotmail.com
Nerdnetwork.net

What a joke. who's stupid enough to start a war with technology? Do these assholes actually expect to push it back for more than 2 minutes? When napster gets shut down by a stupid judge who doesn't understand the tech, that is when the technology people will move to products like metallicster and gnutella, where there is no single server, no IPO, no individuals to file suit against. I would love to see netPD track all fifty gazillion IP numbers that are plugged into napster servers at any given time. If they can (doubtful), they will get huge privacy invadement lawsuits and the next software that gets as popular as napster will have IP spoofing as a built in feature so when some stupid consulting firm like netpd tracks them they get the wrong people who get pissed cause they don't even have such software, much less MP3s. They'll probably track them to amish settlements.

So stop wasting your time trying to protect your freedom to use napster. Devote your time to anarchy and pissing off these companies.



Kris
botboy60@hotmail.com
Nerdnetwork.net

Hey clueless: They said they only saw one download from an unsigned band int the 48hrs they were monitoring traffic- not that it took 48 hours to find an MP3 by an unsigned band.

Hey clueless replying to clueless:

We are talking about lars here. His army of metalheads couldn't find the on switch for their computer so what the hell makes you think they know how to use napster, much less napsters search features?



Kris
botboy60@hotmail.com
Nerdnetwork.net

The hypocrisy here is worse than george dubyah bush. And god help us if a dumbass like that gets in the whitehouse.

Metallica wants to be cool with the fans and look like badasses. They claim to have dubbed tapes when they were younger just like their fans to associate with them, make them be able to say things like

"I am a real metallica fan, I buy their merchandise and look like them and act like them and did what they did when they were younger just like me"

Yes, I'm listening to the real, uncut uncensored version of the real slim shady by eminem that I downloaded off napster. I will get the CD shortly because I think eminem is cool and I like his work. His art, if you will.

Most of the stuff I download off napster I get the cd from sooner or later because I like their art. Several of my friends have expressed their feelings that metallica was cool but now they hate them because they were kicked off napster even though they DO own one or more metallica CDs or just think that metallica are jerks and won't support their lawyers.

So you tell me. What is hurting sales more? Metallica pissing off paying fans, or letting the trading continue? Why would napster change their software to only allow artists who gave them their "permission" to be traded? It's great software already. I use it often. Why do people use napster? Rebellion. I doubt that lars is telling the truth with the record label setting prices. Any smart(sorry lars), popular band will say we want at least this many benjamins or we'll go to your biggest competitor and see if they will sign us. Duh. Big bands are perfectly capable of bullying the record label if they want.

As far as payment, I do have Changes by 2pac on my computer in my mp3 collection. Everyone knows that 2pac is dead. DEAD. Not living. Cannot take money, cannot get royalties, cannot spend it even if he could get it. Just the other day I saw a 2pac cd for 18 buckaroos. None of it goes to 2pac. He's dead. Everyone knows that.

So lars, is the dog wagging the tail, or is the tail wagging the dog?


Anyone who thinks about you getting the list of 300,000 some names realizes that what you did was extremely illegal. NetPD was hired to check on a continual basis which of the songs by metallica were downloaded. Had you not been actively in a lawsuit against napster you could have just asked for a list. Or told napster to ban all of the users with metallica. Instead you did illegal hacking for a bad reason. I just did a search on napster and turned up tons of songs by you. Nyaah nyaah. You can't get all of us. You won't. People like me, the real anarchists, can play your games. Except we aren't the hypocrits lying about being anarchists. We're the real thing.

This comment was posted by me, kris schneider. Birthdate 5-30-85. That makes me 14, almost 15. My comments have more depth and insight than your whole interview. And that's why I don't respect you, your lawsuit, your lawyers or your pathetic ass excuse for a band. Fuck off. When bands like you start shutting down napster and all those mp3 sites me and my friends will be the ones putting up hundreds of mirrors so you bastards waste your time and cash on a legal waste until your lawyers buy your house and you are all living on the street. And you deserve that fate.
Ask anyone.
Cause everyone knows it. And the real kick in the teeth, all of my friends that were dropped because of you bitching about napster, all of them have gone out and bought limp bizkit CDs because limp supports napster. They're the real anarchists. They're cooler than you.



Kris
botboy60@hotmail.com
Nerdnetwork.net

This way, even though it is hard and confusing, they will pick it up quickly and will be permanent hackers. but note, under ALL CIRCUMSTANCES, you are NOT to do this with HTML, this can cause brain damage and even cancer!

Yeah right...

I taught myself html by looking at sloppy fronpage created html and learned A LOT! I learned to code html in my head and developed my own webpage. www.nerdnetwork.net. Go ahead, look at the pages. View source. Look at all of the pages. Look for fronpage signature meta tags. Humor me.

As far as saying html code to your kids, Think about it. Saying plain words to your kids is normal for most parents. Instead of an angry tone, say Such and such was bad!, with bold signifiying an angry tone. Italics being sarcasm, and javascript being you rambling cause god knows parents do. Suddenly you have a whole new way of presenting a language without all those multilevel tones. It would be simple enough for a chimp to understand.



Kris
botboy60@hotmail.com
Nerdnetwork.net

This way, even though it is hard and confusing, they will pick it up quickly and will be permanent hackers. but note, under ALL CIRCUMSTANCES, you are NOT to do this with HTML, this can cause brain damage and even cancer!

Yeah right...

I taught myself html by looking at sloppy fronpage created html and learned A LOT! I learned to code html in my head and developed my own webpage. www.nerdnetwork.net. Go ahead, look at the pages. View source. Look at all of the pages. Look for fronpage signature meta tags. Humor me.

As far as saying html code to your kids, Think about it. Saying plain words to your kids is normal for most parents. Instead of an angry tone, say Such and such was bad!, with bold signifiying an angry tone. Italics being sarcasm, and javascript being you rambling cause god knows parents do. Suddenly you have a whole new way of presenting a language without all those multilevel tones. It would be simple enough for a chimp to understand.



Kris
botboy60@hotmail.com
Nerdnetwork.net

I think 99% of the people downloading MP3's wouldn't notice a discernable difference between CD's and Cassete either, for that matter. except for the little "sssssss" between songs, and dolby on most decent stereos would take care of that. If it's a metal tape the only differences would be skipping tracks and 'how would it sound in ten years?

From a technical standpoint, the biggest part of the compression in an Mpeg level three compression (long words lars! DON'T THINK 2 HARD!) is filtering out the high and extremely low range frequencies (the ones that will piss off your dog, but are burned on a cd) as well as the ones that are relatively high next to the lower ones that most people cannot hear (example: can you hear someone with a high voice when your subwoofer is really working? didn't think so.) As far as longevity, who gives a shit? I won't go into the issue of whether a bands music gets stale after ten years, but in ten years the music on a metal tape will probably get demagnetized enough to make a difference in sound quality. the plastic in a cd-r or cd-rw will usually start to degrade in ten years to the point that it will warp enough to make it unreadable, assuming room temperature and a temperate enviorment with less than 50% humidity.

Now lars, this comment is from a 15 year old who didn't need to research just to know this information. I would expect a better comment from you. Which is why I still don't respect your band or your lawsuit.



Kris
botboy60@hotmail.com
Nerdnetwork.net

Not to mention the word "like." Makes him sound like an oldskool valleygirl.

Visit nerdnetwork.net and Fight for napster!



Kris
botboy60@hotmail.com
Nerdnetwork.net

France wants to ban Nazi items.

Those who forget the past are doomed to repeat it...
So are those who are afraid of their past

Australia wants to ban porno

So what. If they do the smart porn site webmasters will move their servers to america or someplace else where there is a nice T3 backbone. I hope they don't expect to get rid of all the porno mags...

America wants to ban gambling over the net and drug-related information.

So screw it. Do we really need net gambling? I'me not saying that censoring anything is okay, but of all the things to censor I think gambling is nothing but a waste of time. The hypocrisy about drugs here is phenomenal considering the number of congressmen (not to mention george dubyah bush) who have done hard drugs.
I won't even go my reasons why the goverment needs to fuck off the issue of putting netnanny in every school. Would someone please remind me again why the hell I am paying for the goverment to buy millions of licenses for shitty software that doesn't work like it's supposed to and infringes on rights that my forefathers promised me?

Remember that freedom of speech is meaningless if no one can read it...

China wants to ban all criticism

So does everyone. Having the will to not is what makes democracy better than communism. They did it when people printed out democratic ideas on paper but it has gotten harder to do now that joe chinaman can buy frontpage cheap or learn to code his own html and put up a page saying why communism sucks the ass and should be overthrown.

God only knows what Iraq will want to ban when it finally gets its shit together.

Probably every american webpage that was ever put up...
It's a shame knowing that the propaganda going around in those countries is not only deceiving the people but hurting them as well because they refuse to get american medical care and antibiotics. UN forces would give it to them at no cost if saddam would let them in...



Kris
botboy60@hotmail.com
Nerdnetwork.net

Being a rather intellegent 14 year old, I'm amazed at how many people on slashdot are actually bashing the younger generation for being idiots, and how a stereotypical bad web designer is gothic with green hair and a tongue piercing.

I know and enjoy reading quite a bit of literature and writing as well, so in sixth and seventh grade I got the wonderful opportunity to visit a young writers/readers convention. You would be amazed at the number of teens that are gothic or do have green hair. If you can actually see through the outside and the green hair you realize that some people are incredibly smart. On the flip side, some kids that look like idiots have talents that would amaze any intellectual person.

If you go through life thinking that everyone younger than you is stupid, you need to rethink your ideas. Be it generation X, the baby boomers, whoever was a teen when you were maturing, remember that someone though the same thing as you. Do you like that feeling? How many people who cruise slashdot did amazing things as kids/teens, whether it had anything to do with the internet/computers or not?

How many of you were harassed or beat up at school because you looked different? Reread the hellmouth threads. I know several goths and it has nothing to do with psychotic devil worshiping. It's about being different.

I built my own site, using no my fat brain. Go ahead, www.nerdnetwork.net, look at all the meta tags, you won't find a meta name=creator m$ frontpage, or anything else.

Don't let a stereotype get the best of you.