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  1. Re:Microsoft, Google, etc... have the right idea.. by cnystrom · · Score: 1 · on Mozilla Quietly Resurrects Eudora

    > Think outside the world of Web browsers you're in right now.

    You are 100% correct. Think NewIO ( http://www.newio.org/ ).

  2. Re:Microsoft, Google, etc... have the right idea.. by cnystrom · · Score: 2, Interesting · on Mozilla Quietly Resurrects Eudora

    Agree 100%. You might want to check out NewIO ( http://www.newio.org/ ).

  3. Re:I want to write desktop apps with JS/GWT/whatev by cnystrom · · Score: 1 · on GWT in Action

    > But it will never reach its potential until it is a general purpose application programming language.

    Why not use a general purpose application programming language like C to create internet apps?

    http://www.newio.org/

  4. Re:bleh by cnystrom · · Score: 1 · on Cross-Platform Microsoft

    > MS Silverlight is their planned attempt at killing off not only Adobe Flash but also all this AJAX stuff.

    No, they serve different purposes. With Flash the application data is on the client. That is why Flash and Java are portability solutions, but not true Internet application solutions despite the fact that they run from a browser. In this case the web is just used as a delivery mechanism like ftp.

    With Ajax the application data is on the server, so it is a true Internet solution. However it is a programming kludge. I doubt anyone thinks it is the final answer.

    Chris Nystrom
    http://www.newio.org/

  5. Re:Silly me... by cnystrom · · Score: 1 · on Google Gears is Launched
    Silly me, i thought the major drawback of web based applications was that HTML sucks for building rich applications.

    HTML is far from ideal, but I think the biggest drawback with web programming is the lack of program state. In my own open source rich internet application system NewI\O I keep the consumer friendly browser interface, but I add program state, and have a more traditional programming model that does not use HTML.

  6. Re:What's the Point by cnystrom · · Score: 1 · on Google Gears is Launched
    Sometimes I think it might make more sense to make a browser-like framework for programs, but built from the ground up for applications instead of static pages.

    Agreed. This is the premise for my open source project NewI\O.

  7. Re:Seriously, Miguel, give up by cnystrom · · Score: 1 · on Miguel Plans Silverlight on Mono & Linux by Years End
    d) come up with something better that can be made cross-platform from the get-go that gives people a compelling reason to use it instead of Silverlight, rather than permanently following along a few steps behind Microsoft.

    Yes! That is exactly what I am working on with my open source, cross platform NewI\O project.

    The technical advantage is that it is true client/server, not client only as these other technologies are. It is not simply a download and run system. That was data can be retained on the server where it should be.

  8. Re:Option E by cnystrom · · Score: 1 · on Miguel Plans Silverlight on Mono & Linux by Years End
    > We don't need a better Silverlight or a better Flash. We need better tools inside the framework that we already have.

    Actually, I disagree here. For the reasons you sited above, I think we need to leave the web to what it was originally created for: hypertext documents. We need a new separate system for running applications. Something better than Silverlight, Flash, etc.

    My own attempt is NewI\O.

  9. Re:Not buying it by cnystrom · · Score: 1 · on Miguel Plans Silverlight on Mono & Linux by Years End
    > The problem with your argument is that no one has even tried to make something better.

    Actually I am trying to make something better. The main problem I see with Flash, Java, and now Silverlight, is that they are client systems, not client/server systems. Once the application is downloaded they are no longer talking to the server.

    To see a true client/server Internet application system, see my own NewI\O system.

  10. Re:I would rather see... by cnystrom · · Score: 1 · on Miguel Plans Silverlight on Mono & Linux by Years End

    The biggest problems with Silverlight, Flash, Java, etc, are that they are client systems, not client/server systems. Once downloaded they are no longer talking to a server. See my own open source project NewI\O for a true client/server solution to the Internet application problem.

  11. Re:Common data store by cnystrom · · Score: 1 · on OpenOffice Could Soon Become Web-Based Apps

    Your suggesting is a good one, but we might be able to do even better. Your suggestion solves part of the problem. However, network apps also have the promise of portability. Write the app once and it works on all platforms. With my own project we use standard messages between client and server to achieve this. For more info check out my project NewI\O.

  12. Re:Great Idea, Ok not... by cnystrom · · Score: 1 · on OpenOffice Could Soon Become Web-Based Apps

    My own competitive technology is built on top of openssh. You can set up your own server at home. Check it out at http://www.newio.org.

  13. Re:Licensing Unclear by cnystrom · · Score: 1 · on OpenOffice Could Soon Become Web-Based Apps

    My own competitive technolgy is open source, and we have linux and MS Windows clients. Check it out NewI\O.

  14. Re:It is a proprietary layer on top of OO code by cnystrom · · Score: 1 · on OpenOffice Could Soon Become Web-Based Apps
    If you want a true open source solution check out my NewI\O project.

  15. Re:Why require a browser by cnystrom · · Score: 1 · on A Free XML-Based Operating System
    Exactly. The Internet is more than the web, and in fact I think the web is a poor application platoform, which is why I started the NewI\O project.

  16. Re:Architecture by cnystrom · · Score: 2, Interesting · on Can the Web Survive v3.0

    Exactly correct. That is why I am working on NewIO. Join me.

  17. Re:NewI\O by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0 · on Thank God Java EE Is Not Like Ajax

    Nice pic, dude. You're hot.

    http://www.newio.org/team.html

  18. NewI\O by cnystrom · · Score: 2, Interesting · on Thank God Java EE Is Not Like Ajax

    I believe both Java and AJAX are the wrong path to take. The web was designed for hypertext documents. It was not designed to run apps. Instead of kludging the web to run apps we need to create a new system that is designed to run Internet applications. I believe a simpler straightforward solution to this problem is the way to go. I have begun work on such a system which I call NewI\O (http://www.newio.org).

  19. Re:Hate to sound like a luddite but... by maxcray · · Score: 1 · on Where is the Real Ajax/Flex Revolution Happening?

    I agree. The web was not disigned for applications, and technologies that try to use it for such are kludges. The web should be for hypertext documents, and we need a new separate technology for internet apps. For this reason I started the NewI\O project (http://www.newio.org./

  20. Re:Wait by maxcray · · Score: 1 · on Where is the Real Ajax/Flex Revolution Happening?

    I agree. Since it did not seem to exist, I started the NewI\O project (http://www.newio.org./

  21. Re:Excuse me? by maxcray · · Score: 1 · on Where is the Real Ajax/Flex Revolution Happening?

    > You want to use C for web coding? The two just don't mix!

    Maybe so. How about using C to write internet apps, and ditch the web?

    http://www.newio.org/

  22. Ditch The Document Browser! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0 · on Early AJAX Office Applications

    Why not ditch the document browser and start over with completly new system for internet apps?

    http://www.newio.org/