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Miguel Plans Silverlight on Mono & Linux by Years End
El Lobo writes "The Mono open-source project will create a Linux version of Silverlight by the end of year, said Miguel de Icaza, a Novell vice president and head of Mono. Asked about plans for Linux, Microsoft executives have been non-committal, saying that it will depend on demand. But de Icaza, who is attending Mix, was able to commit without hesitating."
The way I see it, only Novell has a license to be releasing a Mono/Silverlight plugin with Linux. Anyone else who jumps on the bandwagon might get a nasty call from Microsoft Legal demanding that they pay up the $650 extortion fee. Or has Miguel conveniently forgotten that the XAML/WPF framework is Microsoft's proprietary technology? (For which I'm sure they have many patents and trademarks.)
Tag: itsatrap
it's a trap.
Sigs are too short to say anything truly profound so read the above post instead.
when you don't have any customers depending on it.
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WHO ATE MY BREAKFAST PANTS?
The code for the Dynamic Language Runtime, which allows dynamic language programmers to create
well, THAT'S one example for redundancy. *scnr*
And Ron (Novells ceo) will do the right thing and cancel it
Sebastien Pouliot suggested we call it "Moonlight" (anagram on Mono).
And I was thinking Silver-light in another language, bonus points if the script is good looking.
For instance, in Arabic it would be fad-da daw' ( ) which looks cool on a large font(thanks to Hisham Bardam for the translation) although it does not roll easily. We might need some shortening.
Miguel.
Someone at Apache, IBM, or Sun announce that they are going to introduce a truely cross platform, open source, and Free alternative to Silverlight and Flash.
It can be done!
Sometimes the best solution is to stop wasting time looking for an easy solution.
that Mono is dead.
Probably the only good thing to come out of the whole MS/Novell mess.
"mono" Great name. Nothing like naming a project after a virus known for disabling whole cheerleading squads in a single bound.
"Please, shut up. Just when I think you can't say anything more stupid, you speak again." -Archie Bunker.
"The embrace of Prussia is deadly". It was a reminder that for a long time Prussia was mostly victorious, even against former allies.
It is not a mistake that Microsoft's strategy starts with "embrace".
It takes a man to suffer ignorance and smile
Be yourself no matter what they say
I for one welcome our new Clippy enhanced silverlight overlords
You've clearly got a lot of talent, so why are you wasting your time making Open Source versions of all of Microsoft's products? All you're effectively doing is giving Microsoft the foothold in Linux that they need.
There are plenty of Linux apps out there that could do with your skills and that don't infringe on Microsoft's patents. Why not write a program that'll do something with that number that everyone's been talking about recently. I can't remember what it is, but I'll find it in a moment...
Summation 2
I don't know them, but I know they are out there..
I had another sig before, but this one is better
Call us again in a few years when the patents (whichever they are) have expired. Say, about 2026.
Lacking <sarcasm> tags,
What a complete waste of time this would be. Mono is already feature incomplete as it is and now he wants to take on another project. How about finishing the one you currently have then taking on more projects.
I think the invisible hand of the market has its middle finger extended
--A wise old fart named SC0RN
Dear Miguel.
When MS designed this thing they could have used mono as a base. That way they would have had an open source, cross platform base from the start. They could have distributed your (and your contributors) work with windows update and gotten mono on every windows desktop.
They didn't. They instead chose to pull the rug out from under you by open sourcing their own CLR (to some extent) and making it cross platform (to some extent).
They shit on you. Please don't just sit there with a grin on your face and take it. You are much too bright and hard working and don't deserve this kind of treatment.
evil is as evil does
Finally Linux being embraced . Microsoft is going to let us have our cake and eat it too! Then maybe they'll even provide thier own extended version after the Mono version is stable. Then we can scurry about trying to fix everything before we are extinguished
The intellectual property owned by big corporations is a cancer that attaches itself to open source projects and destroys them. I'd stick with gcc and a torn copy of K&R for the rest of my life rather than giving even a slightest chance to Microsoft or any other corporate lawyer-backed lowlife to fuck with an open source project.
Novell now is in bed with Microsoft and so is, wishfully or not, Miguel de Icaza. Heroes aren't forever.
I want PowerShill on Linux! I want all the power of piping and redirection, combined with the obscurity and insulation that comes with with binary obect orientation!
I know it's not all that, really. It's just that I need something to create columnar output that replaces Perl, which replaced awk...
"Flyin' in just a sweet place,
Never been known to fail..."
Will the Linux version also be bloated, slow and full of security holes? And will it also have "special added features" for IE? And will it also attempt to hook into every Microsoft product on your system?
Microsoft is coming to the table a decade late on this one, and bringing with them a history of slow, buggy bloatware...
Good luck boys.
Adobe's Apollo (ActionScript3, Flex, AJAX, ..): YES! ..): YES!
M$'s Silverlight (MXML): NO! (10x times bad performance load/avgusers)
Mozilla's Firefox (Javascript, Tamarin,
Novell's Icaza Mono C#: NO! (10x times bad performance CPU/mem)
Sun Java SDK: YES!
IBM Java SDK: YES!
Are you of course with me?
Invent something better and open source it rather than play catch up and gamble on the evil empire playing nice.
Seriously, rather than copy them, try being creative for a change and invent something better.
The problem with your argument is that no one has even tried to make something better. You jump on the Microsoft bandwagon every single time. I miss the Miguel from the Gnome project. This new Miguel is just a Microsoft sellout. Silverlight hasnt even begun to take root, not by a long shot, and yet here you are already working hard to make sure it does.
Microsoft is not unbeatable. They have failed at everything they've tried over the last 5 years, whether it's Vista, IE7 or Zune. Making the stupid assumption that Silverlight is the next greatest thing is why people have lost respect for you.
i dont care if loose karma for this
./'s ?! get a grip!
.... microsoft came a long and actually made a really usefull piece of technology that ties alot of features together in one package, not only that but some people are sickened that it comes under an open license and are afraid that linux will become that bit more irrelevant on the desktop side of things
firstly i wish to say "thank you" to the mono team! yee are doing a great job!
secondly what the f*** is wrong with you
while yee are arguing which distro has the longest
keep reaching fot that rainbow! keep playing catchup to microsoft
end rant.
> Nothing like naming a project after a virus
...
To be fair, that name does convey the fact that it's an implementation of Microsoft technology
means what you think it means.
I swear, if I hear the word "innovative" in the wrong context one more time, I will puke on Bill Gates.
SliverLight, it's gonna "stick" ya and hurt. ;-)
LoB
"Anyone who stands out in the middle of a road looks like roadkill to me." --Linus
I've never liked Gnome, so I'm less affected than others who do use it. Even I, however, have a hard time avoiding GTK applications unless I want to, for instance, recode OpenOffice.org for personal use.
As a result, when Microsoft's lawyers send a "cease and desist" order against non-Novell users of the Gnome/GTK software that's been infected with "their" technology, they will be in a position to force them -- and me -- to stop using our favorite technologies.
Now, I don't happen to like the fact that my country is run that way. I'm sure that there are people in places like Egypt who don't like the way their countries are run, too. However, I'm not quite prepared to leave it and in the meantime am doing my best to deal with the reality.
Thus, to return your advice: the ostrich strategy also known as the "i-cant-hear-you" strategy: pretend that Microsoft's patent threat does not exist and hope that by ignoring it, it will go away and vanish.
No thanks. If MS has the patents that they claim to, I'm going to obey the law and not use "their" technology until the law is changed.
Lacking <sarcasm> tags,
What does this format bring to Linux, other than a patent minefield that renders it useless to all but Novell (and then only until MS extinguishes them)?
Lacking <sarcasm> tags,
Slamming Mono for implementing Silverlight is about as irrational as slamming Opera or Mozilla for implementing JavaScript.
"God fights on the side with the best artillery." - Napoleon, Marshal of France - speaking truth to power
Used to love Miguel and I know him and Nat do a lot of incredible stuff. But this Mono stuff has always completely baffled me. Ever since the very beginning over 5 years ago. Has always seemed like terrible idea to me. Just don't understand his obsession with MS. Can someone tell me what good has come out of Mono? I would like to know (I not denying there is good, I'm genuiously interested in being informed).
How about "monochrome" instead of silverlight. (ie. whitelight versus single frequency). Of course those opposed to it might call it silverblight.
Other possibilities:
flash-light
sliver-lux
silver-tux
silvix
sliver
Gold-light
Some drink at the fountain of knowledge. Others just gargle.
Web Projects Using Mono
W ho_uses_Mono.3F
* Fiducial (http://fiducial.biz): Their new site uses Mono and ASP.NET.
* Wikipedia (http://wikipedia.org): WikiPedia uses Mono for its search facilities. The indexing and the actual searching is done by Mono-based applications.
* GovTrack.Us (http://www.govtrack.us/)
* GotMono.Net (http://www.gotmono.net)
* Yakugo.com (http://www.yakugo.com) is an AJAX-based English-Japanese dictionary site that uses Mono.
* [1] (http://www.saileventschedule.de) A web-based schedule for sailing events like racing and training.
More can be found at:
http://www.mono-project.com/Companies_Using_Mono#
Because I am not a lawyer, I don't trust licenses that I can't understand. (I also don't trust some that I can understand.)
From what I know of patent law (not that much), I feel that it's best to not use techniques that have been used by a coercive monopoly. As a result, I prefer to NOT use CLI, mono, etc. I may, possibly, be overly cautious, but I have no way of knowing. If you do, you apear to be under a NDA.
It's all very well to say "if I never share my code with anyone, then I'm safe". It's probably also true, but it defeats the entire purpose of FOSS. As such, I consider mono unsafe to develop in. Clean-room approaches are no protection at all from patents.
I think we've pushed this "anyone can grow up to be president" thing too far.
Wake me up when they open things enough such that it's possible to create truly portable and open versions of
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I loved the Silverlight announcement, it is a way of bringing my favorite platform to the web (the CLR and now the DLR)
We know you love the CLR... unfortunately, it's not an open system like the UNIX programming environment and so it's not really well liked in the open source world. We're not happy with the limitations of the Windows programming environment, and we find the large and complex APIs beloved of the Windows developers a throwback to the old pre-UNIX mainframe era, so we expect Silverlight to be the same kind of Windows wart on the side of UNIX. If we're mistaken, if Mono can be integrated well into the UNIX world, we'd love to see you prove us wrong by doing it.
But you don't seem to like the UNIX environment, so I guess you won't be doing anything along those lines...
Well, because I believe that Siverlight will become an important component in future applications. The majority of people will probably be happy to spice up their web applications with a little silverlight as it will run on Windows and MacOS.
ActiveX has failed to make Dot-NET take off in the web application world. Why do you think that Silverlight will do any better?
I am somewhat sad to see that many of our fellow Slashdotters have chosen the head-in-sand option, rather than recognizing the place that .NET and Silverlight will most likely play in the IT infrastructure of tomorrow. Whether I may like it or not, Microsoft is a major player, and can push new frameworks into prominence easily.
A couple of decades ago that would have read "I am somewhat sad to see that many of our fellow developers have chosen to re-implement UNIX, rather than recognizing the place that Windows and NT will most likely play in the IT infrastructure of tomorrow. Whether I may like it or not, Microsoft is a major player, and can push new frameworks into prominence easily." Following that advice would have kept Linux and BSD from catching on and made the replacement of UNIX by Windows a reality rather than a threat.
The problem is that some of us want to have access to content that will be produced with Silverlight
And some of us don't want there to be lots of content produced with Silverlight. It's bad enough that so much of the content on the web is tied up in little obfuscated applets in Java and Flash as it is. Seriously, there's pretty much only three things these are used for: advertising, low-quality DRM, and toys and games. Exceptions like the Java applets at Greg Egan's site are far and few between, and Google has shown us with Maps and Gmail that you don't *need* these plugins to produce rich content.
Thank goodness Microsoft's first try failed, and we don't have ActiveX and its security problems on Mac and Linux.
We don't need a better Silverlight or a better Flash. We need better tools inside the framework that we already have.
MS doesn't like your project, why don't they work with you guys to say "the Mono team will help us bring Silverlight to the Linux platform". Instead, they ignore your project, and no sane corporation is going to base serious development efforts on mono when it will always be seen as the illegitimate ugly step child in the .net family.
Really, can you admit that the only reason MS even tolerates your product, is just in case somebody brings up how they have no solutions in Linux they can just casually just say "well, there's that mono thing"? I'm sure your project is mentioned in some PowerPoint in Redmond that is brought up when convenient, but it's baffling how much they just ignore your project most of the time. It's not even a consideration.
- sigs are for wimps.
Man. The guy in implementing a whole stack of a very big technology. Big as in really a whole lot of code that has the potential to bring windows apps to linux and viceversa.
Some of you seem to be asking for the closing of Unix and our Unix-Like things without a single thought to what others are doing. No, we do not have the answer to everything. No, Linux does not do everything we need. No, Java is not the only way we should have to implement enterprise-ready client-server applications.
We should have more. We should be able to bring expert C# developers and have them feel comfortable on Linux. We should be able to access everything that anyone puts on the web. Yes, Macromedia and Microsoft do stupid, evil things like leverage their market grips and lawyer departments to feed us this or that other tech that could be better implemented.
But we work arround that. We worked arround DVD encryption. We worked arround HD-DVD encription and we WILL work arround BlueRay encription. We worked arround proprietary audio formats and we worked arround proprietary video formats and yet, you guys complain that miguel wants to work arround yet another tech (and in this case its a quite well architected one) that will lock us out of content.
Why didnt you rant against the mplayer guys that allow you to see your pron. Ah, i see, silverlight is not pr0n worthy. Didnt we used to perceive the same kind of risk (patents and such) for the revenging that the samba team needed to do? Why didnt you rant then. Ah, I see, you probably did.
I dont like the ms-novell deal more than any of you, but i dont think miguel has in mind having a closed source version of what he is proposing to do. If the other distros do not feel comfortable including it because of that deal, then they wont (like RH, that currently has no offer for mono). But the software itself is opensource and you will be able to download it and access your content.
Isnt that what this is all about, really? That we can work arround the stupid walls MS and others try to put on us?
Youve all turned into a bunch of whyning preppie girls. Hell, it wont even be you implementing it, if you dont want to. I say FSCK microsoft and let them come if they wanna sue all of us when we use our mono-based silverlight thingie on our ubuntu or fedora.
They wont come against novell, but I dont hink novell would stop miguel from doing this in a good (as in MPL or GPL) free software license --and this I say because a non-FOSS implementation would force me to the other side... that is, with the wyining preppie girls.
NO SIG
Isn't that El Lobo (the submitter) dude some major Microsoft troll here on /.?
So I just go on and say it:
El Lobo = Miguel de Icaza
For sure!
You are one of the brightest stars of Mexico and La UNAM
All Mac users were UNABLE to watch any videos on MSNBC AT ALL for YEARS.. because Microsoft required you to "Upgrade to Internet Explorer ON WINDOWS ONLY". Even though other sites were able to show Windows Media files on Macs.. MSNBC DISABLED the ability for macs to try to get us to switch.
Lately you can watch snippets of videos on MSNBC because they are "beta testing" FLASH to show their videos ONLY because of the success of YouTube. You still cannot watch live events on macs though.
The point of all this is that Microsoft is not making Silverlight because they care about the community. They are making it so that they can stranglehold all of the non windows users at some point down the road Once we all get sucked in and a bunch of sites are made using Slverlight.. Microsoft will then come out with a new feature that will ONLY work on Windows.. and then we will all be sorry again.
I am a web developer who has to make 4 different versions of each site because of all the "bugs" in IE.
I would be an idiot to build a site using Silverlight.. because we all know exactly what's going to happen with that format down the road.
I've conveniently bolded the key elements.
Here's the thing that Miguel, Mono, Novell, and all sorts of rational, balanced people understand but you don't:
There are far more important things in life to associate with "idealism/long-term" than "writing software".
The fact that this is your chosen association only serves to highlight how warped your priorities are in life. I'm sorry to be so blunt, but this is the simple (and surely heartbreaking) truth. We're talking about a business, a hobby, or just a casual personal interest, here, not something worthy of idealism, religion, zealotry, cultism, etc. If you really want to save the world with your idealism, please choose a method more relevant than writing software and a benefactor more appropriate than the open source movement. Go ahead and contribute to the open source movement by writing software, but come on.
Lots of us, with Miguel as the obvious example, understand this difference. He happens to enjoy (and luckily can earn a living from) his chosen endeavour. It happens to align to a certain degree with the endeavours of certain corporate entities. That doesn't mean he needs to be drawn and quartered by fundamentalist open source terrorists. Neither do the rest of us.
Your argument is driven purely by narrow minded politics and has no regard for the user. Regardless of how you feel towards MS, its going to benefit Linux users if they have a choice to view Silverlight content. This OS is supposed to give users choice, if your going to limit developement based on politics and what company you don't like then your not that much different then MS. If Mac and Windows users do embrace Silverlight then I don't see how ignoring it would be good for Linux users or anyone who wants to switch. At the same time half the people with your attitude will complain that it isn't cross-platform. Lets not complain when someone truly qualified is willing to change that.
I would rather that the System.Windows.Forms namespace and the IDE be improved to the point where it is good enough to use so I can easily migrate the application I develop to support Linux. We don't have the budget or requirement to rewrite the frontend so if we are ever to support Linux this will be our path forward. I occasionally read the mailing list and the totally out-of-date website waiting for any interesting announcements but it just isn't there yet.
Many small development houses are watching your progress, mine included.
Whether or not your projects survive the patent minefield you have helped me get open source on my co-worker's radar screens. Not that I work with M$ fanboys, but 100% of our customers are heavily vested in Windows technology... which relegates Linux to 'hobby' status for me.
I look forward to the day that changes.
Regards.
Miguel continues to *shit* on the linux community as hard as he possibly can.
Another piece of software to avoid. Miguel though I don't know you, you seem to be the kind of powerhouse who I wish wasn't working at Novell. Actually sitting in the seat that is responsible for Novell's side of the MS embrace and extend campaign. I even took the time to look a little at Silverlight - no I didn't install it. If it is as nice as you say maybe it would be nice, if all things were equal.
.Net, by copying MS' extension of .Net. There is nothing inevitable about silverlight. In fact, someone of Miguel's talent (at least in project management, I don't know him personally) could do a great deal for open source if he wasn't always copying Microsoft.
But they aren't. And I don't know if I trust someone who is both indeminified against lawsuits from Microsoft and (as he blogs) gets drunk with senior Microsoft employees. The timing is bad, to say the least, who wants to use crippleware and anything smelling of MS/Novell?
Other people have said but I will add: There is nothing earthshaking about Miguel's desire to extend Mono, his copy of
I believe his arguments are disingenuous. (Well, fake.) MS is NOT able to easily push new technologies into acceptance. They can spend a lot of money on advertising. The video of siverlight movie editing was cute but huh? It was using a faked Minority Report video, and an attempt to make a Minority Report interface (not as good as Kai's Power Tools about 10 years before this), and a laugh at anyone who really does video editing. This new Novell project is premature, serves to support MS embrace and extend, paints a nice target for threats and guess what if you build a successful company on it MS will own your ass.
Whatever silverlight promises may be nice to have, and some snippets I saw in his blog about Ruby and 3D sounded enticing. But you know what? You don't need anything Microsoft to do cool things. Maybe this will be impetus for open source people who don't work at Novell and carouse with the MS senior execs to get moving on developing something more interesting. I'd rather not intentionally put manacles on my own arms and wait for the other shoe to drop, which is what it seems is required for using Miguel's software. Head in the sand indeed, let's wait until the world depends on silverlight I've got plenty of other things to do. Someone tell me why you want to help son of SCO? Getting drunk with the execs indeed! Fuck off!
I have the distinct feeling that WPF/E is one of those technologies that Microsoft has thrown out there and, after it doesn't catch on, will end up ditching it. Anyone who pays attention to Microsoft knows this happens all the time. About half of the "Live Ideas" have already been abandoned in six months. There's another article on /. that UMPC is all but abandoned. Media PC has one-time big backers like HP are running away, so Microsoft has just started shipping MCE with practically every version of Vista as capitulation.
.NET is the VB6 replacement technology (as was apparent when Mono was started up), so it had a built-in audience. Anyone using Windows for business is almost undoubtedly writing .NET code by now. Novell has a lot to gain by offering a platform for people to run those .NET apps without using Windows.
That's not to say these aren't good products, they just never caught on so Microsoft's dev teams moved on.
Taking on the CLR, the BCL, Windows.Forms, etc. made a lot more sense because it's used so heavily in the corporate world.
Silverlight, on the other hand, is a consumer technology trying to take marketshare from Adobe. It's a long road to try to do that against any technology that has 95% of the market (like, ahem, windows itself). I don't really understand why Novell would want to take a risk on this. Instead, shore up the ASP.NET code. Keep working on Windows.Forms, LINQ, etc., etc. Those are the most viable businesses... not the Flash rip-off.
The way I see it, only Novell has a license to be releasing a Mono/Silverlight plugin with Linux.
That's a strong claim. Do you have any evidence whatsoever that anybody even needs a license?
(For which I'm sure they have many patents and trademarks.)
Well, it's nice that you're "sure", but just because you're ignorant and prejudiced doesn't mean everybody else has to be. So, either show us the patents and explain how they affect Mono (Microsoft's trademarks are irrelevant), or stop spreading FUD.
Now, you are right about one thing: Novell taking this patent license is a big problem because it raises the possibility that they deliberately incorporate patented Microsoft technologies into Mono (the risk that they do so accidentally doesn't change). Given how many non-Novell people work on Mono and scrutinize the code, that seems like a remote risk, but it's still something that looks bad and needs to be addressed. Overall, I think Mono is still at less risk of patent infringement claims than the Linux kernel, the Linux desktop, or the GNU compilers. And, overall, I don't think patent infringement is such a serious issue for open source projects anyway: should anybody actually bring a claim, it's usually easy to work around. So take off your tinfoil hat and stop spreading FUD.
think that KDE is the desktop for me. I don't want to bring up the KDE/Gnome war, but if Gnome keeping implimenting more and more of Mono. Perhaps some day, Microsoft will pull the rug out from under Gnome's feet.
G++
And Java is a proven technologie, it is really cross-platform and the next version will be open-sourced.
I know this isn't a vote, but I second for calling it 'monochrome'
1. Obviously, it has the direct association with the mono project.
2. Silver is somewhat analogous to chrome.. (alright alright it really isn't)
3. Every artist knows what monochromatic is.. as in having to do with color and light.
Miguel, I think the choice should be obvious unless there are legal issues with calling it 'monochrome'.
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Most of the commentary on this topic is shit, fueled by ignorance and unthinking dogmatism.
.NET. Many people like to denounce .NET as "Java copied badly" or point out how poorly Windows Forms compares to what's available for GNOME and MacOS X.
.NET are not be as good as other offerings on the market, as a whole there is nothing which compares to it. .NET brings everything under one roof and eliminates entire classes of "glue" and "can't get there from here" problems.
.NET in most cases does The Right Thing. If you haven't worked with .NET yet, just try it and come with specifics. Don't come arguing on abstract principles please.)
.NET 3.0 and WPF, a brand new UI subsystem has been added to the mix, which in terms of raw capability rivals anything out there. ... Christ, that sounds like a commercial. But it's true. You've all seen the demos of movies projected onto flying 3D surfaces etcetera, and this might have left you with the impression that there is little substance to the technology apart from fizz and sparkle.
.NET and WPF form the foundation for the next generation of Windows applications and Silverlight brings parts of this technology to the web. Thus, while Silverlight may falter, as some of you have been suggesting, the underlying technology certainly will not be going anywhere anytime soon.
.NET is that it provides a clean and sane means of unifying traditionally separate realms of development. With .NET and Silverlight, it is slowly becoming possible to leverage the same skills and code on the Web (both server side and client side), the desktop, games consoles, set top boxes, PDAs and Mobile phones.
.NET for some specific task/domain, it would have to be several orders of magnitudes better before the marginal benefit offsets the costs of not being able to ride the slipstream of the Microsoft/.NET juggernaut.
Over the past half decade or so, Microsoft has been developing arguably the most comprehensive and coherent development platform ever on the planet, viz.
This kind of argument is completely besides the point. While some parts of
(Yes, we are all software developers and enthusiasts. We all know the joys of loosely coupled systems and the evils of integration. I'm realy not interested in a generic discussion on that. In practice all good things have costs and all bad things have benefits and
With
That would be a very wrong impression.
Therefore to suggest that Miguel or "we" could or even should be developing an "alternative to Silverlight" is absolute nonsense and indicates an utter blindness for the bigger picture.
The whole point of
Even if you develop something that's significantly better than
Microsoft has been busy rewriting their entire crufty codebase to a modern, unified platform. We are still arguing over widget sets and the relative merits of the GNOME file selector dialog vs. the KDE one. Wake up people.
"Adobe Flash Player 9 Update beta
.NET is multiplatform. Nothing else. Hope you really get paid or something for this.
(Apr 30) Flash Player 9 comes to the Solaris platform and supports features introduced by ActionScript 3."
So, will there be MS or "Mono" SilverLight Solaris version covering ALL compatibility? Not theoretical specs, lets say there is "MS Tube" using SilverLight, will that version play those videos?
We all know the answer and reasons, just hoping Novell and Icaza finally WAKE UP and stop being naive.
You are really wasting your time people. Mono just served MSFT to claim that
and (the icing on the cake!) has an open-source implementation
PS: I'm absolutely thrilled that Open Source has become so spectacularly successful that even Microsoft thinks they have to pay lip service to it, but there are many failed Open Source projects and failed attempts to harness Open Source in the service of proprietary architectures. There was just such a story on Slashdot recently about a poor set-top-box manufacturer whinging because so many programmers were getting all excited about Apple TV instead of their Linux-based hardware. They completely failed to understand that demand drives Open Source just as much as it drives the traditional market.
There's not enough demand for "a replacement for Flash"... Flash is the answer to the demand for plug-in scripting, and unless Adobe pulls off some major boner in the introduction of Apollo that manages to screw Flash up badly there's not going to be anything pulling a replacement for Flash into the web.
...as usual... thelima
His whole push to get .net running under Linux was never well thought-out. It was clearly a follower move, one completely at-odds with non-Microsoft solutions, and he severely overestimated the "need" for alternate versions of .net. And now he wants to clone another Microsoft technology. Great. Isn't this just admitting that Microsoft is the real innovator? Wouldn't it be better to build off of existing open source technologies? Five years ago it would have been much more forward-thinking to work on getting Ruby or Python and related frameworks up to the point where they completely subsume the need for .net. Ruby on Rails was visionary. Mono was not.
I'd like to make a quick observation this particular topic easily illustrates about the Slashdot/Open Source/Geek community. I've seen NUMEROUS rants against organized (and not so organized) religion over the years on sites such as Slashdot and Digg, with many of the participants claiming themselves to be atheists. Slashdotters and right wing religious nutjobs have a lot in common. Sure, the RWNJs they go to church every week (maybe more often), and proclaim theirs to be 'the true way' and if you aren't on their team, too bad, you'll burn in hell. A lot of the Slashdot crowd also has their gods, it just so happens they worship at the alter of their own ego, their 'massive' intellects, and of course all that is Open Source. They also have just as many people in the pews agreeing with their every word.
It's time to start REALLY seeing the world in grays folks - not just critiquing other people's sacred cows but questioning your own assumptions as well.
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I don't know, the more I see what Miguel seems to be spending his time on, the more I am convinced that he's a Microsoft lackey. I don't claim to know all details, but why not spend some time and effort on porting Adobe's products.
.Net . Why is it more important for him to push Mono every which way? This is a trend Novell has always had with their products GNome, Mono, whathaveyou.
In fact, I don't get his whole fascination with
. . . already.
Adobe donated a JIT Javascript so it should be quite quick.
The Firefox API is huge and hugely powerful.
So perhaps it's mainly some development tools that are required?
I must say that MS seems to be repackaging other people's ideas again.
This is all just my personal opinion.
Some things simply work better than others. The idea that people should accept bad ideas, like the ActiveX/.NET security model, because "everything is a shade of grey" is often an effective appeal to the "cult of relativism". But not all of us worship at that altar. :)
You might be sorry.
Icaza will not come to your rescue once Microsoft Legal has taken over. Neither will Novell.