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It depends on the specific service member in question.

http://oathkeepers.org/

During the time of the US Civil war, Americans shot their literal brothers - not just their squad mates.

It starts with one soldier. How many follow, and when they follow, depends on the rhetoric of the separatists, how they conduct themselves, how they spread their message, and the counteracting rhetoric and actions of the government.

All of us are alive because people on both sides of the Atlantic with their finger on the "launch" button skipped opportunities to press it. Soldiers are people in difficult situations, trying to balance many opposing directives.

oh its even worse then that Beleive in the constitution? yup, you are a terrorist according to the people....sword to uphold...the constitution... http://oathkeepers.org/oath/wp...

I don't see how your example of blaming specifically Google/Glass for this problem has anything to do with the current cache of thousands of walking cameras under government control. The nightmare of surveillance is already upon us. If Google Glass were pulled as a product tomorrow, the absence of "glassholes" will not guarantee an absence of abuse. The dossier man you fear can still come regardless.

Ironically, the person wearing Glass in a movie theater is being watched by several cameras at that time. Like I said, the abuse mechanisms are already in place, and you don't control any of them.

Well said!

For ICE or Homeland Security being called I blame the stupid MPAA task force and the theatre for letting them be there in the first place, might have to stop patronizing AMC Theatres now...sad.

For ICE or Homeland Security being stupid enough to show up I blame them. Surely there are many more important things to be checking and/or watching than a guy wearing Google Glasses in a Theatre.

Of course they already have all the FEMA data collection data centers around the country, I know there are more than 12, but am unsure of the exact count, I beileve there are at least 15. People are so clueless.

Would be nice if the Police / Sheriff departments did not blindly follow along as they sometime do. I think an honest citzen's last defense is not being armed, though I have no problem with gun rights or the 2nd Amendment, rather the last line of defense is a well informed citzendry with a well informed County Sheriff who will stand up to illegal searches and seizures and simply say NO!

Is your County Sheriff an OathKeeper? Perhaps they should all be or elect someone who will be an Oath Keeper!

With the Sheriff and Local Police guns on the sides of citizens, it is much less likely that abuses will come from any government agency, no matter what label they give themselves.

Such committment would have prevented the Orange County (CA) Sherrif office prompted by the Milk producers from going to a health food coop Rawesome Foods in Venice Beach, CA and dumping all their products, esp the unpastuerized goat milk, even though their warrent only allowed them to collect samples and data only. They emptied the store of product, including produce, vegetibles, etc and basically filled a dumpster.

The government has kept pursuing Stewart and his club for years, despite a lack of any reports of illness or injury from consumption of his foods.

As for the unpastuerized goat milk, it was not being sold by the health food store, rather the parents bought into a coop that owned a piece of the goats and they simply collected their share of that coop milk at that location. The Health food store helped a organic farmer's business while increasing the flow of traffic to his business. The families that owned shares of the coop, did not have to drive individually much farther to collect their share of the goat milk. A win - win - win, just not for the milk producers who only wanted their pasteurized product availble for sale and worked through federal agencies to secure the warrant that was served by the Orange County Sherrif.

I would not have had a problem if the Sherrifs only collected samples (per the warrant) and not thrown everything else away, they would have complied with the warrant, unfortunately they went further than they should have, legally per the warrant. An OathKeeper would not have gone to the extreme and harmed the business through excessive action.

Mob mentality works both ways, and thanks to groups like Oathkeepers, there are some who will stand up and lead that mob to actually honor the oath they took and refuse all illegal orders. Like this Staff Sergeant.

Fortunately, the military is made up of US citizens, a large fraction of which will not comply with orders to fire on US citizens or confiscate weapons, round up people into camps, etc. They understand that their oath to protect and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic, includes political leaders.

http://oathkeepers.org/oath/ [oathkeepers.org]

I guess you never heard of Stanley Milgram and his little experiment.

I guess you never checked the Oathkeepers link I provided, ignoring that which doesn't fit your preconceived notions.

Good work.

Strat

You will NEVER have as many guns as the government.

Fortunately, the military is made up of US citizens, a large fraction of which will not comply with orders to fire on US citizens or confiscate weapons, round up people into camps, etc. They understand that their oath to protect and defend the Constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic, includes political leaders.

http://oathkeepers.org/oath/

Strat

Funny you should ask that question?

Seems someone ELSE was asking the same thing, and got an answer they didn't like.

Posting this as A/C, for reasons that will become obvious after you read that.

Well said sir! Please see: http://oathkeepers.org/oath/

Point 2, I'll bet there would be a bit of collateral damage if the Marines shelled Wall Street. That's assuming they didn't just decide that would violate their oath.

Speaking of which, the oathkeepers have joined the occupation:
http://oathkeepers.org/oath/2011/10/05/oath-keepers-and-the-wayseers-to-occupy-the-occupation/

we only have one soldier willing to uphold his oath.

No, there are many more.

-jcr

I'm not optimistic that our Armed Forces would refuse to uphold unconstitutional orders.

I'm pretty sure that these guys will do their duty.

-jcr

Sadly that is why we now have those known as the Oath Keepers made up of brave men and women of our armed forces, who take an oath to defend the constitution even against our own government which many believe it will come down to.

Lucky for us in the US there are a great many men and women both past and presently in our armed forces who still believe in words like "honor" and "The constitution" and when the shit hits the fan (which I believe it will, those at the top will continue to enrich themselves and their friends while this country death spirals) and they try to turn the military against us when we get tired of being stomped on that like old Mo Mo in Libya is finding out the military has families too and care more about the country than the ruinous leaders at the top..

I commented on this before.

Basically, I'm more frightened by the current administration's plans for "what to do about the Internet" than I am the ISP's plans. Especially when you start finding "dangerous speech" on the Internet, and classifying certain groups as "hate groups" just because you disagree with them. For instance, the Southern Poverty Law Center has now decided that the Oath Keepers organization is a is a hate group. What's to prevent the FCC from declaring that "hate speech" is not "legal content", and shutting down access to that site.

Check out my other post with links to HR 3458 and the "Cybersecurity Act". There are lots of plans for deeper and deeper regulation of Internet traffic that, frankly, should be frightening to anyone that wants to keep the networks free from interference.