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at last, we now know who and what we are... Technologists.... whoever came up with that one back in 1940s is one smart cookie.. oh wait.. his name is Winston Purvine, Oregon State System of Higher Education applied it to graduates of Oregon Institute of Technology, Klamath Falls Oregon https://www.oit.edu/libraries/... http://digitallib.oit.edu/digi... . PDF - Page 5 (attribution) good stuff. more to come..

at last, we now know who and what we are... Technologists.... whoever came up with that one back in 1940s is one smart cookie.. oh wait.. his name is Winston Purvine, Oregon State System of Higher Education applied it to graduates of Oregon Institute of Technology, Klamath Falls Oregon https://www.oit.edu/libraries/... http://digitallib.oit.edu/digi... . PDF - Page 5 (attribution) good stuff. more to come..

I was disappointed to see they have only invested $10 million. My alma matter in Oregon (OIT) has been geothermally heated for for 50 years.. and a few years ago, they started building a power plant to power the university, plus sell extra hot water and power to the hospital next door:
http://www.oit.edu/news/04-20-2010/oregon_s_first_geothermal_combined_heat_and_power_plant_dedication.aspx

They have the US Geo-Heat center located on campus (since the whole campus was purposefully put on a geothermally active site) They have put out tons of data on the new combined heat/power system.. (yes, the web page is straight out of 1996)
http://geoheat.oit.edu/greenoit.htm

I was disappointed to see they have only invested $10 million. My alma matter in Oregon (OIT) has been geothermally heated for for 50 years.. and a few years ago, they started building a power plant to power the university, plus sell extra hot water and power to the hospital next door:
http://www.oit.edu/news/04-20-2010/oregon_s_first_geothermal_combined_heat_and_power_plant_dedication.aspx

They have the US Geo-Heat center located on campus (since the whole campus was purposefully put on a geothermally active site) They have put out tons of data on the new combined heat/power system.. (yes, the web page is straight out of 1996)
http://geoheat.oit.edu/greenoit.htm

Klamath falls, in Southern Oregon is already very much Geothermally active.

My Alma Mater, Oregon Institute of Technology is now the only school 100% powered by renewable energy. None of those sissy offsets or credits purchased like other schools, they dug a geothermal well in a parking lot, and generate their own power. They sell their spare power to the hospital next door. The whole college has been geothermally heated since it was built, and before the power plant was built, they spent something like $15k a year to heat and cool 800,000 sq. feet of buildings.. The big stair cases on campus, are also geo-thermally heated to keep ice off them. Downtown Klamath Falls has a geothermal heating grid, and they heat most downtown buildings, sidewalks (for winter snow), and a high school for the cost of running some well pumps. Many houses on the north side of town also have their own geothermal heat

Nevada has very long ways to go to catch up.

That's one thing I always had an issue with over geothermal. What happens when we pump out all the heat from the planet? It solidifies and our magnetic field shuts off? (unless you believe that new thing about the ocean currents) I read somewhere that we'd have ~9000 years of geothermal at current world usage levels of energy.

From this article, radioactive decay inside the Earth constantly releases about 30TW (= twice the current world usage levels of energy) as uncaptured heat, so we don't need to be concerned. In particular, whatever source gave you the 9000 year figure is in stark conflict with this paper (pdf) on geothermal sustainability. Since we don't currently have the technology to touch anything below the crust (i.e., less than 1% of the Earth's radius), we are unlikely to cause any serious problems in the core in the near future.

And you use a vacuum cleaner more than an hour a day?

I'm talking about peak usage, not average usage, questioning the claim that the total available service to most houses is less than 5000W.

Here's the post I replied to in it's entirety: "I don't think so. I just chose a vacuum cleaner at random from a retailer web site and it uses 2000W. Mainstream electric heaters run from 1500W to 2400W." There is nothing in that qualifying it as peak power.

[...] a geothermal unit is more efficient that electric [...]

Well, yeah, but what's that got to do with anything? How many people have geothermal heating available?

While geothermal IS available not many people use it. Then again until recently many people didn't have computers either. However more people are installing geothermal systems. Heck, in New York City a 20,000 square foot [pdf] building, The Foundation House, that will house half a dozen nonprofit foundations was built that uses geothermal heating. And it does have something to do with it, you brought up "Mainstream electric heaters", geothermal heating is more efficient.

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And it's been studied extensively since the 1970s. this article has a nice summary of the research to date.

feel free to ask me questions off thread if you want, I was a Junior in the Dual program before I changed to IT.

My school (Oregon Tech) has a similar fee that we pay, but it isn't applied to innovations or research of new technologies, but rather improving the existing infastructure. Since it started we went from unwired dorms to 10Mb. Some wireless beta programs were added, and best of all we got our own T1 for student access. (previously it was just dial up in the dorms. Ten modems for 300+ people) None of these things were very impressive, (maybe even lackluster) but they helped improve campus life 100%

I agree, given those options, "B" is definitely the better of the two. (I don't know what AIDS has to do with it...) But "A" is a poorly designed site. A well-designed site improves navigation TO the content, which is important if you have more than a few pages.

Try the page I get paid to maintain. I think it's an example of a table-based page (the images are even integrated with the background color! and it doesn't use any wimpy 216 colors either :-) that aids rather than hinders navigation -- you might disagree.

(That welcome from the president crap is there under duress. Don't blame me for it :-)

I can agree with you, up to a point. Hey, I've pushed out my fair share of Shockwave/Javascript/1x1 pixel GIF sites myself. If the client wants it, I'll do it. I readily admit to being a whore.

(Tho I find your comment funny since I visited your home page. It looks pretty good to me.)

Which is better?

A site devoted to people suffering from AIDS that is tarted up with javascript, frames, and Flash that looks nice to some people, but atrocious to others, that takes 45 secs to load every page because everything is contained in one big TABLE?

A site devoted to people suffering from AIDS that is rat-simple HTML, where the most complicated tag is the unordered list, but allows people who are blind, almost blind, have physical dexterity problems, and everybody can see everything? And, because it's rat-simple, each page loads in a couple of secs (or streams out as received, cause it doesn't need to render the TABLE).

I maintain that it's better to aspire to B than to A. If you can add elements to B that brings it closer to A, but not leave a good portion of your audience in the cold, that's not a bad thing.

If you're Wired, you pump out the most eye-catching, fluff filled stuff you can. Your audience expects it. That's fine as well. You just have to accept the fact that I (and a few other people) will never visit your site because of the rotating buttons. I'll only visit because there's a good article.

Keeping content-as-King as a guiding principle means you can move faster, put more content up, and have a better, more popular site easier and cheaper.

That's just my opinion.

My university, Oregon Institute of Technology, is well known in the northwest, because students come out of college, ready to work. No retraining is necessary. This is becuase all of our professors have lots of industry experience, they do not come straight out of school. They teach us how to work in business. Very little theory, lots of hands on work. Junior and Senior projects that are treated just like a business would. If we had proffessors that were just out of school, we wouldn't get that kind of education. It is absolutely priceless. Also, the town of Klamath Falls, OR (in South Central Oregon, 45 Min north of Weed, CA) has such a low cost of living that the prof's don't have to be on welfare here!!

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If God Droppd Acid, Would he see People???

Most of our boxes are Donated by HP and Intel. Actually, We have a very good Hardware Engineering Program. (all of our grads are usually hired by spring term) and our Laser Optical Engineering is one of the best in the nation. The bitch is that we are a small public school. only 2500 students, maybe 300 or so in computer and lasers(3 degree tracks). We do not get the kind of funds that a larger University would get (OSU and UofO have over 20k students at each!!) but we are very good because our classes are so small. check us out! Oregon Institute of Technology

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If God Droppd Acid, Would he see People???

I keep hearing about Opera's small footprint... it doesn't seem to work that way though. 20 megs is more like it.