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Israel must also know quite clearly that this will be perceived as provocation by their neighbours and after 60 years of continuous conflict

So, if the Arab countries alert their Hebrew reading population to get on the internet and go to that web page, some of them might be offended.... by reading what is in the history books, or more or less in Israeli newspapers? I think that is a bit of a stretch. The only people that are really likely to be offended about this are the people that already hate Israel.

Just a plain dick move.

I think you set the bar a bit low there. What is your reaction to this?

Ah, I see you are repeating the propaganda approach without actually understanding the history of the region with regard to International Law. Perhaps these may enlighten you (and other Slashdotters) somewhat:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ub2x5UvjUs4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63hTOaRu7h4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O7ByJb7QQ9U

Where you have the situation wrong is that you assume that Israel objects to a Palestinian State merely on the basis of a Palestinian State existing. This is completely false, and misrepresents the position of the Israeli Government - and leads normal, moral people to draw incorrect conclusions. Please allow me to correct your understanding. The Israelis have always offered an Arab Palestinian State (and in fact, the Arabs were offered international recognition of one in 1948 by the United Nations but they refused, and continued to refuse as long as Israel exists).

The Israelis will fully endorse an Arab Palestinian State (in addition to the secular/Jewish Palestinian State called 'Israel') upon the following conditions:

• 1) Mutual recognition of Israel by the Arab Palestinians (in Arabic; they practice 'taqiyya' by saying one thing in English for suckers to believe while saying something completely different in Arabic)
• 2) The security needs of Israel to be met - no more Palestinian-Authority sanctioned jihadis to be sent to Israel
• 3) Everything else to be settled by *negotiation*.

The problem the Israelis have with the moves for Palestinian Statehood through the United Nations is *not* the creation of a Palestinian State. It is bypassing negotiations with the Israelis and bypassing mutual agreement and a *permanent* peace treaty (instead of the temporary 'hudna' that exists now while jihadis regather strength). The Palestinian move in the United Nations (now dominated by the Organization of Islamic Cooperation voting bloc) was a *very* sly move to bypass negotiations with the Israelis (unfortunately most people aren't aware of this aspect). So you see, the problem is that much of the left-leaning media (Associated Press, BBC, MSNBC etc) omit the reason for the Israeli protests. The Israelis have always offered to recognize an Arab Palestinian State, provided the Palestinian State recognize Israel *in Arabic*. Once you know this, you see the Israeli position as being entirely reasonable - they want to *negotiate* for permanent peace. I think most reasonable people would agree with the Israelis on this, and agree that the Palestinians sneaking through the UN to avoid recognizing Israel with a permanent peace treaty is not very good.

Here's some evidence of the real Palestinian position (which the media is not telling you about, it is feeding you propaganda instead without ever checking the real facts): http://palwatch.org/main.aspx?doc_id=8704&fi=157

ps. for those of you who are also fooled by the falsehood that Israel is 'the last European colonial state' you may want to ponder the fact that Jews have been living continuously in the region of Palestine for over 3000 years (the Arabs came later, and invaded around 1400 years ago). While no-one holds a unique claim to the land, it is a falsehood to say that Israel was only formed by European Jewish refugees after World War II. The Jews have been there a lot longer than that (even if they had been ethnically cleansed and were in small numbers until the end of the 19th Century).

Please also note that the Arabs and Muslims already have 56 large and mostly uncrowded countries. They don't want to destroy Israel because of the *land*, they want to do it because the Qur'an and hadiths tell them to. The fiction of being 'Palestinian' rather than 'Arab' or 'Jordanian' was only invented after the 1967 Israeli vi

• The Islamic genocide against Assyrian Christians in Iraq. Most Assyrians have fled and the rest have been killed. Don't blame this on the US invasion of Iraq. It happened under Saddam. Now under democracy (as in, "mob rule") the pace has accelerated, but the motivation is the same. Sura 9:5 "The Verse of the Sword". See
  http://www.answering-islam.org/Silas/swordverse.htm
  Did you know this?
• The Sudanese Islamist genocide against animist and Christian Southern Sudanese. Jihadi raids still occur and non-Muslims are taken as *slaves* (as permitted under Sharia). This is happening *today*. See the testimony of Simon Deng (a former slave).
• The call for genocide against Jews, as commanded by the Qur'an. See the following article for all the reasons the Qur'an and Palestinians give for killing Jews based on *mainstream* Islamic doctrine: http://palwatch.org/main.aspx?fi=584
  Note that anyone who supports the Islamist cause against Israel is unwittingly supporting this genocidal agenda. The Israelis are not the aggressors (as the historically ignorant often believe). The Jews have been living in Palestine *continuously* for over 3000 years (the Roman expulsions were temporary, and only from Jerusalem). The modern State of Israel is trying to *defend* its citizens from the *aggression* and schemes of the 57 Muslim Majority countries in the Organization of Islamic Cooperation (although countries like Azerbaijan get on well with Israelis, and after many attempted genocides Jordan now has working relations). Anyone who thinks the Arabs are the victims simply doesn't know the genocidal agendas of Hamas and Hezbollah (hint, look for the hate speech in the Hamas Charter: http://www.thejerusalemfund.org/www.thejerusalemfund.org/carryover/documents/charter.html). When Hamas talks about "Occupied Territories" they mean killing, expelling, or enslaving all non-Muslims in *all of Israel*.
• The expulsion, killing, and denial of rights to Serbs in northern Kosovo by Albanian Muslims. This is happening today. Did you know that?
• The genocides between Sunni and Shia branches of Islam, and the Sunni+Shia attacks on more peaceful Sufis. This is happening *today* in Syria, Iraq, Iran, Turkey (against Kurds), Pakistan as Islamic sect battles Islamic sect (with the aim of expelling the "apostate" sects): See: http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
  particularly http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index.html#Attacks
• We won't even talk about the historical genocides of approximately one million Armenians by Turkish jihadis in 1915, or the hundreds of thousands slaughtered by the two Bosnian Muslim SS divisions in World War II (raised by the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Haj Amin al-Husseini, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Amin_al-Husayni - the bastard who told Hitler the idea of the "Final Solution", stating "Who remembers the Armenians").
• Then we have the genocides soon to come. The persecution and subjugation of Christian Copts in Egypt. Now that Obama installed the Muslim Brotherhod the life of Copts is going from bad (as dhimmis) to worse. Bad stuff is happening to the Copts *every day*. And the media and leftist "human rights" organizations are mostly silent (with a few exceptions). Did you know all the bad stuff happening to Copts today? http://www.amnes

?The reason I didn't respond to all three was that I didn't want to do three times the work. Showing you misinformed once was sufficient in my mind and those who want to read the other quotes in context -- great. Jesus was a Jew, after all, so it's hard to say Christianity is anti-Semitic.

As for your accusations about the talmud... I read that often on Islamic and white supremacist sites. The problem is most Islamists and neo-facists get their information about Jews from the Qur'an or equally fallible sources. For example, the Quran says Jews are deceptive and so forth. Here is what the talmud actually says about deceiving gentiles.

As for the hadith I quoted that you think is only quoted by bigots. I'm glad you agree, since it's in Hamas's charter and regularly quoted by Fatah as well as more or less everywhere else in the middle east. I'm glad you think such is bigotry. Why, then, do you expect Israel to negotiate and make concessions to such bigots when they have made no shows of good faith? Stop the settlements? They did that for a year. Didn't help at all. Withdrew from Gaza, they turned it into a base to fire tens of thousands of rockets from. No. Not all Muslims are like this, but the fact remains this is part of their doctrine

Christianity is homophobic and sexist. Those Christians who claim to practice their religion but refuse to condemn homosexuality (and relegate women to second class citizenship in church) are indeed hypocrites, as are the Christians who ignore Jesus's commands to turn the other cheek when confronted with violence. So then are Muslims who remain peaceful despite the very clear calls in their religion to violent Jihad (literally, struggle, but used almost without exception to refer to warfare). Read Sura 9 and tell me the Qur'an is peaceful because clearly it's you who hasn't read one. This doesn't mean all Christians are homophobic or all Muslims are violent but when they behave in such manners I DO indeed blame the religion. They're merely following the immutable commandments set forth by their infallible sky fairy, and because of abrogation in Islam, it will never, ever, mature into something relatively benign like the other religions.

Right.

So when they translate Arab 5 year old children calling for Death to Jews, we shouldn't take that out of context to suggest that the whole Arab world is fucked up?

Sorry. A society which encourages young children to die, is not deserving of our sympathy.

Unfortunately, some people's pathological hatred of Jews, and by extension the Jewish state is such that they refuse to even contemplate that Israel just wants to be left the fuck alone by these crazies.

Then you'd set a nice example of how to beat the system. Some terrorist could bring their/a baby on a flight and hide a bomb in their stroller/diaper etc..

very true we know that the Muzzies want their children to become martyrs, in that perverse religion there is no better way to bring the whole family to heaven.

revealed by whom?

Looks like mostly the Palestinian Media Watch and the Militant Islam Monitor.