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Hatebase Tries To Scan For Precursors of Genocide In Language

An anonymous reader writes "Hatebase, a new crowdsourced database of multilingual hate speech from The Sentinel Project, is an attempt to create a repository of words and phrases that researchers can use to detect the early stages of genocide."

190 comments

  1. hatebase? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Fuck that.

    1. Re:hatebase? by jamesh · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'm with you. Haterbase would be a much cooler name.

  2. Scan for precurors? by aglider · · Score: 1

    So you could also scan for precursors of the next POTUS from twitter and facebook?
    Ah! I bet you won't!

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    1. Re:Scan for precurors? by Forty+Two+Tenfold · · Score: 1

      No, start with the Hebrew bible and continue from there, via christianity, especially through the writings of the doctors of the church and popes in times of great wars in Europe and Levant.

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    2. Re:Scan for precurors? by slick7 · · Score: 1

      So you could also scan for precursors of the next POTUS from twitter and facebook? Ah! I bet you won't!

      You would find better examples and the names of haters by looking at the NDAA and those who signed it.

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  3. Mostly false positives, will be used for "hate". by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 5, Insightful

    My expectation is that this will be used for political infighting, much like the genocide it purports to try to head off.

    The "crowd" will include activists for one (or more) sides of contentious political disputes, who will feed the database with typical word choices of their enemies, in the hope of branding them as potential genocide perpetrators. The result will be a produce far more false positives than true ones (if it produces any of the latter at all).

    Indeed, the very phrase "hate speech" is such a faction-specific term. It is used by the US left wing to attempt to suppress politically incorrect free speech - especially politicall speech - of those with whom they disagree.

    For an example of what I'm talking about, look at the Southern Poverty Law Center's pronouncements - including especially their advice to law enforcement and the Department of Homeland Security that displaying bumper stickers supporting Ron Paul during the presidential primary, or any of a number of other pro-Constitution or Tea Party political position messages, was a sign that the driver was a terrorist.

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  4. Good idea by AlphaWolf_HK · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Now instead of just laws requiring data retention to prevent child pornography, we can now also use genocide prevention as an excuse. And then of course just use it to go after copyright infringers.

    If you want to learn about genocide speech, go to stormfront.org, there's no need to build a new database when somebody has already created one for you.

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    1. Re:Good idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      shh, shut up about stormfront, otherwise they will come with their crappy copy paste.

    2. Re:Good idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fuck that noise. Bring 'em on.

    3. Re:Good idea by Intrepid+imaginaut · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Correct, genocidal tendencies are not difficult to spot. For one thing a large segment of the population is regularly talking about killing, imprisoning or deporting a smaller segment of the population. Genocide by its nature requires the involvement of lots and lots of people, and they won't be shy about giving you their opinion. For example pre world war 2 Germany was riddled with anti-semitism, that's a hazardous situation. It's not something that appears from a vacuum nor a spontaneous event.

      I'd be very wary of this initiative as another effort to water down terms which describe truly horrendous crimes by assigning them to lesser actions, like the incessant use of 'rape' by hardline misandrists.

    4. Re:Good idea by Alsee · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Actually stormfront.org is valuable as a huge negative data point.

      The purpose of their project, as I understand it, is to detect when a population is in the early stages of an actual developing genocide situation. Stormfront.org is a sample of the sort of speech that occurs in a group which is grossly failing to to get anywhere. The stormfronters have all sorts of grand fantasies of what they want and believe, but at least on some level they know damn well that they don't have general public support for it. Stormfront.org's rhetoric is filled with an attitude that they are persecuted victims, the feel frustrated and powerless. I expect that is about the last thing you'd find in a genuine developing genocide situation. In a genuine genocide situation the hate speech agitators are not feeling powerless - they are feeling supported and powerful and emboldened... that they can boldly go out there without hiding their intent, without fear or shame, to seize control, to just plain engage in flagrant public violence.

      The stormfronters feel like powerless victims. They may sneak around in the dark and commit pointless vandalism like spiteful children, but they are not anywhere in the same universe as a situation where people go out in broad daylight committing mass violence and inviting their police-buddies to come along with their cop-cars and heavy weapon supplies.

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    5. Re:Good idea by ub3r+n3u7r4l1st · · Score: 1

      If it is real genocide it will be well hidden in a power structure and hard to detect. For example, a top secret biological warfare project aimed at certain ethnicity will be considered genocide, but won't be detected by these NLP mechanisms.

    6. Re:Good idea by Alsee · · Score: 1

      a top secret biological warfare project aimed at certain ethnicity... won't be detected by these NLP mechanisms.

      Absolutely correct. Their focus is on real-world cases of countries that have had death squads roaming the streets with guns and machetes.
      They are not-so-much concerned with paranoid conspiracy theories.

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    7. Re:Good idea by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Correct, genocidal tendencies are not difficult to spot. For one thing a large segment of the population is regularly talking about killing, imprisoning or deporting a smaller segment of the population.

      In my small European country, we have a relatively new phenomenon of people from a certain other European country coming in to beg, pickpocket, steal metal (before nobody could imagine we'd need to guard our copper wires, statues, and roofs), rob the eldelry, and other unwelcome behaviours.

      I think there should be some way to discourage such tourism.

      Since you say talk of deportation is a sign of genocidal tendencies, I am now a genocidal maniac. And now we have a computer program that will detect and inform everyone of my thoughtcrime.

  5. A precursor to genocide? by Mr.+Firewall · · Score: 1

    So... they will immediately run smack-dab into Godwin's Law... ... and, picoseconds later, cease to be relevant!

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    1. Re:A precursor to genocide? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      How many picohitlers is that?

    2. Re:A precursor to genocide? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How many picohitlers is that?

      3 1/2

    3. Re:A precursor to genocide? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sir, I have to revoke your geek card.

      The generally accepted si-unit for measuring evil is Nazi.
      See http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0489.html for an example of the use of KiloNazi as unit

  6. Subset of Urban Dictionary by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sounds like a subset of Urban Dictionary, with all the same problems. Two of my co-workers made up a word once to rag on a 3rd guy. I checked not that long ago. Yep, still there, LOL. That was like 6 years ago.

  7. Precursors? by fustakrakich · · Score: 2

    Precrime!

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    1. Re:Precursors? by BradleyUffner · · Score: 1

      Precrime!

      I think it's more for detecting genocide before it has official been discovered.
      My guess is that it will key in on "Help, some guys just killed everyone in my village" posts from twitter.

  8. hate the hatebase by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I hate the makers of hatebase. Why, I could just chop them into little pieces and eat them.

    Get it? I made a joke comment so their system would see it... wait, someone's at the door...

  9. Isn't that... by longbot · · Score: 1

    ...the name of the Dalek mainframe?

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  10. Thought crime by ildon · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Sweet. We finally reached the point where we're just looking for thought crimes.

    1. Re:Thought crime by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      These aren't thought crimes, these are indicators that there might be genocide in progress or on the way.

      Nobody would be prosecuted for the messages, they would potentially be prosecuted for actual acts of genocide. This is just a way of helping to get eyes on the situation _before_ something happens rather than after it has begun.

    2. Re:Thought crime by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is just a way of helping to get eyes on the situation _before_ something happens rather than after it has begun.

      Oh, I get it now. So it's Minority Report, not 1984. That makes me feel so much better.

    3. Re:Thought crime by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The hate-speech-o-meter has ranked you 4.8 out of 5. Expect consequences.

  11. Guns by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is an easy one. Just look for people that are not pro-safety and anti-gun. Anyone that wants one of those things is pro-murder. Maybe they're not all-out pro-genocide like an NRA or the Nazi party, but they at least are pro-murder.

    1. Re:Guns by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's no longer "gun control", it's "massacre control". And if you're not for it, you're against it. If only we could kill all the pro-massacre people left in America.

  12. If you call it ethnic cleansing then it's not bad by elucido · · Score: 1

    It's only bad when it's called genocide.

  13. I'll contribute by srussia · · Score: 4, Funny

    From hatebase.org:

    "Language-based classification, or symbolization, is one of a handful of quantifiable steps toward genocide.
    To support Hatebase, please contribute to our database, either by adding vocabulary or by logging sightings and citations.


    My submission:

    Language: Beltwayspeak
    Vocabulary: "senior operational leader", "enemy belligerent", "imminent threat", "organized armed groups"
    Source: http://msnbcmedia.msn.com/i/msnbc/sections/news/020413_DOJ_White_Paper.pdf

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    1. Re:I'll contribute by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Seriously, is this system something could be loaded with enough false positives to be rendered useless?

    2. Re:I'll contribute by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you serious?

      I'd ask "is there any known scientific method and algorithm by which this could possibly work"?

      Bayes' Theorem? Oh, right.

    3. Re:I'll contribute by Alex+Belits · · Score: 1

      It would take a lot of genocide to get any kind of reliable statistics.

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  14. China-Friendly by caiocaiocaio · · Score: 5, Interesting

    1) They are missing most Chinese-language racial slurs, and are apparently not searching for Chinese characters. I think the results would be predominantly Chinese otherwise. I mean, how could they miss "waiguolao"? In China, hearing that word was my red flag to get indoors or to a cop as soon as possible. 2) I could find you literally thousands of websites calling for genocide in China (either against resident minority groups or towards immigrants in China) which don't use any ethnic slurs. Most of the ethnic slurs in China are condescending more than hateful (except those directed at the Japanese), and using more neutral terminology gives pro-genocide Chinese an air of legitimacy. I can remember when "nanlaowai", for example, was quite a popular blog, but their didn't use any racial slurs in spite of the constant demands for the ethnic purification of China. Chalk it up to cultural difference I guess.

    1. Re:China-Friendly by phantomfive · · Score: 2
      I'm not sure how you can expect to get anything from a crowdsourced database. What they are creating is like UrbanDictionary.com The guy doing it, Christopher Tuckwood, apparently studied Disaster and Emergency Management at York University. This is how he talks:

      "Our intention with Hatebase was for the data to be used as a contextual layer on top of other monitoring datasets and infrastructure. It's essentially acting as a sort of Z-axis"

      I'm not even sure he knows what he just said there.

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    2. Re:China-Friendly by SplashMyBandit · · Score: 1

      Very, very interesting. Thanks for sharing some facts.

    3. Re:China-Friendly by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 2

      You've actually been to China and you claim this?

      Protip: You are unbelievably clueless.

      "waiguolao" means literally "foreign elder" (wai out(side), foreign: guo country; lao old, aged, elder). "wailao" is also common.

      It is considered an informal but fairly respectful way to address people who don't look like they're Chinese, and is generally not considered pejorative. Yes, it could be used in an insulting manner in the right context, but this is true of many words in English and other languages I speak. And even words that are normally considered insults can be used in a positive or even admiring fashion, e.g. Patton's "Rommel, you magnificent bastard--I read your book!"

      Sure, there's racism in China. China is a fine country but like all the others I've been to, it has a few idiots here and there. I treat it there like I treat it everywhere else I encounter it--with the utter disdain it so completely and richly deserves.

      Protip #2: It REALLY helps if you can use chopsticks better than your Chinese girlfriend can (and with either hand, to boot). :D

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    4. Re:China-Friendly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      apparently not searching for Chinese characters

      They're not even allowed. In a time when most of the web has switched over to Unicode this is an unbelievable oversight.
      From the FAQ:

      Why doesn't submitted vocabulary retain any accented characters?
      Hatebase is a multilingual platform and accepts all UTF-8 characters (including accented characters), but "latinizes" the main vocabulary field to optimize search performance.
      If you're adding a term with an accent, simply repeat the term somewhere in the "meaning" field, which isn't latinized.

      Why doesn't Hatebase accept non-UTF8 characters?
      At present, Hatebase is architected to display UTF-8 characters only -- basically, the extended Latin alphabet, including accented characters. Further extending Hatebase to logographic character sets is certainly on our roadmap, but may not happen anytime soon unless we hear from our users that it's strongly desired.

      So according to them Chinese characters cannot be encoded in UTF-8? And entries in non-Latin alphabets are excluded from a multilingual database? These people don't know what they're doing.

    5. Re:China-Friendly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think caiocaiocaio is just retarded and has no idea how the language works.

      Another victory for racism again!

    6. Re:China-Friendly by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      The incompetence in this project runs deep, in many ways.

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      "First they came for the slanderers and i said nothing."
    7. Re:China-Friendly by caiocaiocaio · · Score: 1

      Lao as in ren+lao. I guess I can't post characters in these comments :(((( I lived in China for most of my adult life, and return frequently. I have a Chinese wife and an mother-in-law living in the house. I was moved there by my company (first job out of college), and now practically every aspect of my life is tied to that country. I can read baihua, as well as wenyanwen and do so frequently in my spare time. I am a Sinophile, in general, but I'm not going to pretend things are perfect there. A lot about life in mainland China scares the living heck out of me. What I was referring to was extra-linguistic: to various hate-mongering websites that promote the wholesale ethnic cleansing of western China (usually "to prevent anti-Chinese minorities from potentially harming China's economic shift the its western borders in order to reduce dependence on American trade" and goes into tin-foil hat land from there), and, to a lesser extent, tracking and harassing foreigners in cities with small foreign populations. The usage of that suffix in my post was incidental.

  15. Hatebase as in hate speech, as in ... by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 0, Troll

    ... all speech that are not sanctioned by the liberals

    No, they do not believe in the true concept of FREE speech - their only aim is to force everyone in using political correct speeches

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    1. Re:Hatebase as in hate speech, as in ... by retchdog · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Oh, calm down.

      This is the same as any NLP crowd-sourcing tool; it's simply designed with a focus on correlating vocabulary with prejudicial sentiment. No one is planning to use it to pass restrictive laws. It's just useful for people who are involved in a country, but are not fluent speakers of $foo or involved in the right subcultures, to know that a certain word has now acquired a negative connotation.

      Maybe those people should butt out, sure, but you're jumping the gun a bit, here. If they could force everyone to use ``political correct speeches", they wouldn't need this app in the first place.

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      "They were pure niggers." – Noam Chomsky
    2. Re:Hatebase as in hate speech, as in ... by overlordofmu · · Score: 4, Insightful
      Instead of "they", please try using the the word "we".

      Here is a FTFY (aka fixed-that-for-you) example. I will now conjugate the following:

      No, they do not believe in the true concept of FREE speech - their only aim is to force everyone in using political correct speeches

      With the FTFY conjugation which takes ownership of all aspects of society by turning all third person plural forms into first person plural forms that quote becomes:

      No, we do not believe in the true concept of FREE speech - our only aim is to force everyone in using political correct speeches (sic)

      My point is that "they" are not the problem. My point is that "we" are the problem. Every last fallible one of us can be a problem or a solution. The difference is often a matter of how compassionate we are combined with how much we are able to take personal responsibility for problems. Even (maybe especially?) the problems which seem to be caused by other people.

      While I may be liberal and you may be conservative, the reality is that our society is comprised of both of us and we are both liberal and conservative. We are all the things we which are. By treating the problem as "our" problem instead of "their" problem we can approach the solution with realism and healing, instead of idealism and revenge.

      Of course we could, instead, go on blaming other people, but look where that has gotten us so far . . .

    3. Re:Hatebase as in hate speech, as in ... by overlordofmu · · Score: 4, Interesting
      NLP = natural language processing

      This is the same as any NLP crowd-sourcing tool; it's simply designed with a focus on correlating vocabulary with prejudicial sentiment.

      In case some of you were wondering about the acronym. That becomes:

      This is the same as any natural language processing crowd-sourcing tool; it's simply designed with a focus on correlating vocabulary with prejudicial sentiment.

      To take the conjugation one step further it becomes:

      This shit be the same shit as any goddamn shit where we get other motherfuckers to do the fucking dirty work of working out when shit-talkers, shit-talking in some other fucking language, be talking shit is a way that means that those fuckwits mean to start some shit.

      Of course, sometimes you can take conjugation a bit too far.

    4. Re:Hatebase as in hate speech, as in ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Thanks for clearing that up. I thought it was Neuro-Linguistic Programming.

    5. Re:Hatebase as in hate speech, as in ... by SplashMyBandit · · Score: 5, Informative
      The parent was right. Why do you think the Left and leftist media completely ignore the genocides happening *today*. These are happening and you are completely unaware of them. Why? because the Left don't want you to know. If you care to look you can see:
      • The Islamic genocide against Assyrian Christians in Iraq. Most Assyrians have fled and the rest have been killed. Don't blame this on the US invasion of Iraq. It happened under Saddam. Now under democracy (as in, "mob rule") the pace has accelerated, but the motivation is the same. Sura 9:5 "The Verse of the Sword". See
        http://www.answering-islam.org/Silas/swordverse.htm
        Did you know this?
      • The Sudanese Islamist genocide against animist and Christian Southern Sudanese. Jihadi raids still occur and non-Muslims are taken as *slaves* (as permitted under Sharia). This is happening *today*. See the testimony of Simon Deng (a former slave).
      • The call for genocide against Jews, as commanded by the Qur'an. See the following article for all the reasons the Qur'an and Palestinians give for killing Jews based on *mainstream* Islamic doctrine: http://palwatch.org/main.aspx?fi=584
        Note that anyone who supports the Islamist cause against Israel is unwittingly supporting this genocidal agenda. The Israelis are not the aggressors (as the historically ignorant often believe). The Jews have been living in Palestine *continuously* for over 3000 years (the Roman expulsions were temporary, and only from Jerusalem). The modern State of Israel is trying to *defend* its citizens from the *aggression* and schemes of the 57 Muslim Majority countries in the Organization of Islamic Cooperation (although countries like Azerbaijan get on well with Israelis, and after many attempted genocides Jordan now has working relations). Anyone who thinks the Arabs are the victims simply doesn't know the genocidal agendas of Hamas and Hezbollah (hint, look for the hate speech in the Hamas Charter: http://www.thejerusalemfund.org/www.thejerusalemfund.org/carryover/documents/charter.html). When Hamas talks about "Occupied Territories" they mean killing, expelling, or enslaving all non-Muslims in *all of Israel*.
      • The expulsion, killing, and denial of rights to Serbs in northern Kosovo by Albanian Muslims. This is happening today. Did you know that?
      • The genocides between Sunni and Shia branches of Islam, and the Sunni+Shia attacks on more peaceful Sufis. This is happening *today* in Syria, Iraq, Iran, Turkey (against Kurds), Pakistan as Islamic sect battles Islamic sect (with the aim of expelling the "apostate" sects): See: http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/
        particularly http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/index.html#Attacks
      • We won't even talk about the historical genocides of approximately one million Armenians by Turkish jihadis in 1915, or the hundreds of thousands slaughtered by the two Bosnian Muslim SS divisions in World War II (raised by the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Haj Amin al-Husseini, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Amin_al-Husayni - the bastard who told Hitler the idea of the "Final Solution", stating "Who remembers the Armenians").
      • Then we have the genocides soon to come. The persecution and subjugation of Christian Copts in Egypt. Now that Obama installed the Muslim Brotherhod the life of Copts is going from bad (as dhimmis) to worse. Bad stuff is happening to the Copts *every day*. And the media and leftist "human rights" organizations are mostly silent (with a few exceptions). Did you know all the bad stuff happening to Copts today? http://www.amnes
    6. Re:Hatebase as in hate speech, as in ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      we can approach the solution with realism and healing, instead of idealism and revenge

      Realism/Healing vs. Idealism/Revenge

      You should write speeches for politicians. This is an excellent false dichotomy. While I'm also a liberal, I'm hesitant to label myself as such because all too often the term is used to indicate that one is a member of the PC-Police, such as yourself. If there was a Ministry of Truth you'd be a great writer for them. It's sad that the flamebait you responded to has more truth in it than your attempt to rationalize political correctness -- oh, I'm sorry, your attempt to approach the 'problem' with realism and healing.

      Save your bullshit for your Sociology class. Fuck your inclusiveness, I'm an individual.

      Maybe I missed the point. I apologize if your post is a tongue-in-cheek. Now that I think about it, it's so absurd I really hope so. Of course, it's also the type of thing that Sociology professors say with a straight face.

    7. Re:Hatebase as in hate speech, as in ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Very interesting and well articulated read by some who cares enough to include good research links.

    8. Re:Hatebase as in hate speech, as in ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course, sometimes you can take conjugation a bit too far.

      Like trying to conjugate a pluperfect or future perfect in a non-indicative mood!

    9. Re:Hatebase as in hate speech, as in ... by Alsee · · Score: 1

      YOU are obviously ONE OF THEM!

      Burn the witch!

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    10. Re:Hatebase as in hate speech, as in ... by Rockoon · · Score: 2

      While I may be liberal and you may be conservative..

      You are not a classical liberal, which is his point.

      The whole modern liberals and conservatives idea is a false dichotomy, because the former is about social liberalism via the theft of freedom while the later is about social conservatism via the theft of freedom.

      When you vote for the lesser of two evils you get ever increasing evil. Both will enslave you to their agenda.

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      "His name was James Damore."
    11. Re:Hatebase as in hate speech, as in ... by Runaway1956 · · Score: 1

      "The challenge is distinguishing between low-level background noise and systematic hate speech that could be the beginning of something worse."

      I wonder how it deals with locker room speech? Or, even worse, barracks speech? Probably best of all, send them to monitor prison speech.

      I'm guessing that a group of moderately well behaved teamsters could set off alarms, and have the UN come running to save some race or another.

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    12. Re:Hatebase as in hate speech, as in ... by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 3, Insightful

      This is the same as any NLP crowd-sourcing tool; it's simply designed with a focus on correlating vocabulary with prejudicial sentiment. No one is planning to use it to pass restrictive laws. It's just useful for people who are involved in a country, but are not fluent speakers of $foo or involved in the right subcultures, to know that a certain word has now acquired a negative connotation.

      Except that it's not going to work. Show me an NLP system that correctly distinguishes statements from quotations and references. You'd need an AI-complete system to divine the actual state of mind of the speaker. Or does the "crowdsourcing" part mean that there are going to be scores of people checking and rechecking flagged texts?

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    13. Re:Hatebase as in hate speech, as in ... by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      Why would you think that? When was the last time when you heard of "magnetic wastewater treatment plants", or "homeopathic general hospitals", or "dowsing oil prospectors"?

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      Ezekiel 23:20
    14. Re:Hatebase as in hate speech, as in ... by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      While I'm also a liberal, I'm hesitant to label myself as such because all too often the term is used to indicate that one is a member of the PC-Police, such as yourself.

      I don't know about you, but to me, "liberal" means "a person who doesn't screw with other people's lives just because of difference of opinion". Neither the "conservatives" nor the so-called "liberals" need apply.

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      Ezekiel 23:20
    15. Re:Hatebase as in hate speech, as in ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You know, there's another genocide that the Left doesn't care about that you don't care about either:

      The genocide of Arabs in Zanzibar.

      It's depicted in the hatefilm Africa Addio. That hatefilm has the only existing footage of it.

      The Left doesn't care because it happened in a post-colonial African country against evil colonial oppressors.

      You don't care because it happened to Muslims.

    16. Re:Hatebase as in hate speech, as in ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When the thing you measure is affected by the measuring, your accuracy will be limited (Heisenberg's Principle). Unfortunately, that's what happens when tools like this are used to point out genocidal tendencies. People will then change their language, but not their hatred, biases, practice, or prejudice.

    17. Re:Hatebase as in hate speech, as in ... by fizzer06 · · Score: 2
      No one is planning to use it to pass restrictive laws

      Prove it.

    18. Re:Hatebase as in hate speech, as in ... by b4upoo · · Score: 1

      There is no way that the US can police or get involved in every cause in the world or even every cause in the mid-east. As far as who exactly has ancestral rights to Israel it is obvious that the land was occupied well before Judaism and well before Islam were created.
                            As one of the ignorant outsiders it is my belief that all people must be treated equally. One set of laws must govern all people in the region. Obviously that would be a nightmare notion for many Jews and many Muslims as well. But until both sides realize that neither side may have their way then there will be war and lousy conditions across the region. From what we can see here in the US the Arab nations do not seem at all capable of self government. There is just too much corruption and really sick behavior for me to believe that Arabs have the ability to have any sane form of government in the near future. I also do not believe that the formation of Israel was good for the survival of the Jewish people. Concentrating Jews into boundaries that can not be perpetually defended means that a huge slaughter will eventually take place. Yes, Israel can defend now. But now is not long term. In essence Israel is surrounded about like Custer at the Little Big Horn.

    19. Re:Hatebase as in hate speech, as in ... by Lord+Kano · · Score: 1

      I too keep an eye out for liberal bias but it's far too early to accuse them of this, yet.

      Let's see if they hit on Obamanoids before they pick up "Tea Party Zombies Must Die".

      LK

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    20. Re:Hatebase as in hate speech, as in ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People like yourself trying to point out just what is happening in islam today would win a few more friends if you did not group everyone on the "left" into a denial camp. I vote for parties far to the left of Obama (who is seem where I live as moderate right ) but I can see what Islam wants. My gay friends who are very left wing can see it. My female friends can see it. People on the right say again and again that tea party thinking is not how everyone on the right feels. Denying the massive global problems with islam is not representing everyone on the left.

    21. Re: Hatebase as in hate speech, as in ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Stupid moron. You are right with your anger at islam. What you don't understand is that it's the right who manfacture this enemy. Your ultra-rightist presidents gave money to islamist fundamentalists to defeat russian communism (which, as an atheist state, was not pro-islam).

      Speaking of "stupid moron",

      All of the American left, right, center, up, and down supported the use of Islam, Christianity, and religious identity in general as a weapon against the Soviets. Islam was not as uniformly hostile and violent back then as it is today, although the CIA made awful choices of which Muslims to partner with.

      The Russians began a large-scale campaign of terrorist funding in 1964. The reason so many Islamic terrorist organizations speak the language of anti-American postcolonialism is because their founders learned it at Patrice Lumumba University.

      It is largely the left today that allies with the Islamic right wing. Look at what happened to Michelle Bachmann when she reasonably suggested that people in sensitive wartime posts with possible Muslim Brotherhood connections should be vetted; not fired, not punished, but simply vetted. She was mocked and condemned for such a thing, and called a racist. Look at what happened to Amnesty International's Gita Saghal when she protested Amnesty's alliance with the Taliban; she was fired and Amnesty shut down its womens' rights division so that no more uppity women would interfere with the great deal Amnesty has with the Taliban. Look at what happened to Eric Allen Bell when he criticized the website Loonwatch as "a terrorist spin control network"; the Daily Kos banned him. Look at what happens whenever anybody references the Muslim Brotherhood or the Hamas charter in the Guardian's comments section; their post is immediately deleted.

      The right has its own alliances with Islamic terrorism. During the 1990s, it was Republicans who got into the news for praising the Taliban. Grover Norquist partnered with Abdulrahman Alamoudi to raise terrorist funds for George W. Bush. More recently, within the past few weeks, the Conservative Political Action Committee (CPAC) banned Jihad Watch founder Robert Spencer from receiving an award for fear that he might criticize Norquist or another Republican fundraiser, Suhail Khan.

      This discussion is not about Democrats or Republicans, it is not about the worker and the capitalist, it is not about the rich and the poor. It is about the double standard of modern society's tolerance of hate speech and actual genocide if done in the name of Islam, and the triple standard of ostracizing anybody who opposes the hate speech and genocide.

      The question is in the air as to whether Hatebase will end up like the Southern Poverty Law Center's Intelligence Project, which has made the decision not to report hate speech by Muslims in its reports on hate speech in the United States. Their excuse is (paraphrasing) "the Jews do that", and evidently the SPLC does not want to risk being associated with the Jews.

      Will people speak up or remain silent?

    22. Re:Hatebase as in hate speech, as in ... by ub3r+n3u7r4l1st · · Score: 1

      And when you vote for the only candidate that is not part of this "lesser of two theft-of-freedom evils" you will be called a libertarian retard here by the communo-fascist (posed as "leftist") on /.

      99% of the people are power hungry. That's human nature. Anyone not acting according to this norm are considered abnormal.

    23. Re: Hatebase as in hate speech, as in ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Interesting

      Are you shitting me? YOU are the useful idiot. You actually buy the laughable lies told to you by al queefa regarding their reasons for murdering Westerners?

      Yeah. All their murder started only since Ronald Reagan. The other 14 centuries of oppression and murder are nothing compared to the blind leftwing's blaming of Reagan, Bush 1, (strangely nothing about their national embarrassment "hero" clinton) and bush 2 aka dick cheney's lapdog.

      You are a fool who thinks so short-term it'd be funny if it wasn't dangerous to your and my freedom.

      Thomas Jefferson (who I personally think is a bastard hypocrit but I digress), had to deal with rampaging muslims over 200 years ago. Where was george bush? Where were the commies and osama bin goatfucker?

    24. Re:Hatebase as in hate speech, as in ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Like trying to conjugate a pluperfect or future perfect in a non-indicative mood!

      Thank you, Dr. Dan Streetmentioner.

    25. Re:Hatebase as in hate speech, as in ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is no way that the US can police or get involved in every cause in the world or even every cause in the mid-east

      The US already is been involved in many of these causes.

      Iraq and the Assyrians: The US has done little to stop the genocides of the Christians while they controlled Iraq. The British before them allowed genocides when they were the colonial power.

      Sudan: The US is on the side of the South.

      Israel: The US has been funding the war against the Jews since circa 2004-2005 under George W. Bush.

      Yugoslavia: The US bombed Yugoslav forces to encourage the genocide of Serbs in Bosnia and Kosovo. Just like in Syria, Western media reported the opposite of what was actually happening.

      The genocide of Armenians is "disputed" in the US despite there being overwhelming documentation of it. The acts of Haj Amin al-Husseini and his supporters, and the genocide of Jews from every Muslim-majority country, have been erased from American history books because they might make Israel look sympathetic and reduce public support for the final solution to the Jewish problem in Palestine.

      In Egypt, the US promotes the Muslim Brotherhood as the sole legitimate representative of Egypt. The Copts and secular liberals have seen any US support they got during the revolution evaporate, while more US aid goes to the Brotherhood. Obama refused to accept a visit from the Coptic Pope.

      The US is generally pro-Thailand.

      The US has made no public effort to discourage the genocide of Christians in Indonesia.

      GP did not even mention Turkey, where the US is enthusiastically supportive of a Muslim Brotherhood government that has destroyed all secular institutions and replaced them with religious ones, or Nigeria where the US has strongly discouraged the government taking any military action against Boko Haram and has called for the government to grant them more and more concessions.

      As far as who exactly has ancestral rights to Israel it is obvious that the land was occupied well before Judaism

      As far as who has legal rights to Israel, there are numerous treaties that give the land to the Jews. In the most recent treaty still in effect, Israel surrendered the East Bank to Jordan in exchange for the West Bank.

      As one of the ignorant outsiders it is my belief that all people must be treated equally. One set of laws must govern all people in the region. Obviously that would be a nightmare notion for many Jews and many Muslims as well.

      As one of the educated outsiders, stop talking and you'll look less ignorant. First, there already is a country with one set of laws governing all people in the region, which ensures that all people are treated equally. That country is Israel. So why blame the Jews when they have already established the peaceful vision that you claim to hope to see in the future? And when the dominant modern form of Islam explicitly forbids equality and holds that Muslims are required to kill or convert anyone who is not like them, starting with anyone who refuses, why blame the innocent Jews first and then say, oh, Muslims are also that way?

      I also do not believe that the formation of Israel was good for the survival of the Jewish people.

      Given that the formation of Israel allowed most of the world's Jewish population to survive the genocides they suffered in the 20th century, the Jewish people might disagree with you.

    26. Re:Hatebase as in hate speech, as in ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes please keep up the birg and corf without the least bit of geospatial distinction. You can really see the audio and visual memory slapping out lies inside your head in real time.

    27. Re:Hatebase as in hate speech, as in ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dammit! You just slashdotted Hatebase with that comment.

    28. Re:Hatebase as in hate speech, as in ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      The leftist media doesn't really exist in the sense that you mean it. Mainstream media is owned by large corporations which are conservative leaning. If you're a far right wing wacko who thinks he's center, the real center looks leftist.

    29. Re:Hatebase as in hate speech, as in ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sir, your hate speech has been detected.

      We'll pay you a visit soon...

    30. Re:Hatebase as in hate speech, as in ... by SplashMyBandit · · Score: 0

      Fantastic post! Hopefully we'll get through to some of our fellow Slashdotters that they are being lied to, not by a cabal of Jews, but by their enemies the "Red-Green" Leftist-Islamist Alliance (who then go to make up stories about anything that stymies their agenda, eg. Jewish promotion of equal rights for all citizens regardless of gender, race, religion, or sexual orientation in their part of Palestine).

      Fellow Slashdotters the Truth is out there - please just be aware that much of what the mainstream media doesn't omit is an inversion of what is really happening. The historical facts and current events show that anyone who has an interest in preventing genocide should not be enabling, supporting, excusing or apologizing the totalitarian, theocratic political ideology of Islam in any way. Only by standing against Islam can you protect Enlightenment Liberties and free the Muslims trapped under its oppression. Like the socialist Soviet Union, Islam will also collapse if the truth is pointed out about it. Then we will all be free and much of the killing and hate in the world will cease to be legitimized by this evil ideology.

    31. Re:Hatebase as in hate speech, as in ... by martas · · Score: 1

      Big data is the counterargument to AI-completeness, essentially it's the Chinese Room.

    32. Re:Hatebase as in hate speech, as in ... by hkmwbz · · Score: 1

      Now that Obama installed the Muslim Brotherhod

      Huh?

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    33. Re:Hatebase as in hate speech, as in ... by hkmwbz · · Score: 1, Insightful

      If nothing is done then all of the US will look like Dearborn, Michigan (where the local corrupt cops essentially enforce Sharia restrictions on Constitutional First Amendment Free Speech by making up bogus charges

      Man, this has me conflicted. A bunch of crazy Christians fighting with a bunch of crazy Muslims! I can't stand either of them. Did those Christians really have to walk in there and be annoying? And yet, those security guards and their other friends had no right to harass those Christians, annoying as they obviously were.

      And holy crap, that tail of security people towards the end was pretty hilarious! Did they have nothing better to do than to gang up on those annoying Christians? How many Muslim security guards does it take to escort a couple of annoying Christians off the property?

      Wait... was this public property or private?

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    34. Re:Hatebase as in hate speech, as in ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes. "Crowdsourcing" means that loyal Party members will help root out thoughtcrime.

    35. Re:Hatebase as in hate speech, as in ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Great assembly of buzz words. The Chinese Room is just a thought experiment to explore the nature of consciousness. Care to elucidate your point?

    36. Re:Hatebase as in hate speech, as in ... by SplashMyBandit · · Score: 1

      Man, this has me conflicted. A bunch of crazy Christians fighting with a bunch of crazy Muslims! I can't stand either of them.

      Yes, they are both crazy. However, in this case the Christians are right and the Muslims are wrong, as I will discuss ...

      Did those Christians really have to walk in there and be annoying?

      No, but they have the Constitutional First Amendment right to do so. They were not promoting hate speech, and the charges laid against them were fabricated (as they prove - which meant the cops should be dismissed for gross misconduct). Only an authoritarian would even question their right to do what they did. No one questions the right of Muslims to speak freely in their dawa efforts at christian venues, yet it is an arrestable offense for a christian to do the same? in the USA? The correct answer to your question (as defined by the First Amendment and subsequent challenges) is "yes, it is always permissible for someone to speak freely, even if someone finds the speech offensive". What is not permitted is hate speech for immediate incitement to violence. This is clearly not the case. Hence, you should be very troubled that the police in Dearborn are implementing Sharia-compliant speech restrictions, that the mainstream media are indulging in politically correct and Sharia-compliant self-censorship, and that the current US Administration has a policy of censoring the manuals used by the Department of Defence and the FBI where someone who shouts "Allahu Akbar!" and slaughters 13 US service personnel on a US base cannot be called a jihadi. Here is Stephen Coughlin's analysis on how the US is slowly being neutered in opposing jihadis
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ey-TRpkUiPI
      Why is that neutering happening, because the White House is full of Muslim Brotherhood affliates:
      http://www.investigativeproject.org/3869/egyptian-magazine-muslim-brotherhood-infiltrates
      http://muslimbrotherhoodinamerica.com/
      Why aren't you being told this?

      Don't vote for Hiliary Clinton in 2016 if you value your liberty and Constitutional rights. Besides her vanity and incompetence she he chief assistant is Muslim Brotherhood affiliate Huma Abedin:
      http://frontpagemag.com/2012/jamie-glazov/the-dark-muslim-brotherhood-world-of-huma-abedin-2/

      As Voltaire said, "To learn who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.". Political correctness is a python that is the enemy of Free Speech. Over time it constricts and progressively censors what you may or may not say. PC now prohibits criticism of Islam in much official US discourse and will eventually affect private discourse too (unless something is done to halt the Leftist politically correct and Islamist Sharia agenda which restricts Free Speech so their totalitarian goals cannot be opposed by Free Men):
      Islamophobia: Thought Crime of the Totalitarian Future
      http://frontpagemag.com/2012/david-horowitz-and-robert-spencer/islamophobia-thought-crime-of-the-totalitarian-future-4/

      Wait... was this public property or private?

      Public, dude. You cannot exercise any Free Speech rights in Dearborn if a Muslim doesn't want to hear it - and the (Muslim) cops will enforce this by trumping up charges (which video testimony clearly show is false), and then alter their statements numerous times once they realize video shows they are lying. Is Dearborn the future you want for America? to be a controlled citizen (called a "dhimmi") in your own country?

    37. Re:Hatebase as in hate speech, as in ... by SplashMyBandit · · Score: 1

      I do care. Sorry, I wasn't aware of that. I will add it to my list of crimes. As I tried to say, the biggest victim of Islam are *Muslims*. That's why we have to free everyone from this barbaric ideology.

    38. Re: Hatebase as in hate speech, as in ... by SplashMyBandit · · Score: 0

      Actually the "mujahideen" supported in the War in Afghanistan became the "Northern Alliance". These guys fought and defeated the Taliban (created and supported by Pakistan) with the help of a few hundred US Special Forces. While the Northern Alliance are no saints they are also not nerly as evil as the Taliban or Al Qaeda.

      So please stop with the bullshit that Al Qaeda or Taliban were "manufactured" by the US. It is simply not true. The US simply aided one evil group to wage a proxy war on another even-more-evil group.

      After much dithering the current US Administration has finally woke up to the fact that aiding either side in Syria today is a lose-lose proposition (after the US supplied heavy weapons by proxy and then they turned up in the Al Qaeda "Al Nusra" group's arsenal). The best strategy is the current one, sit it out and wait for both sides to pound each other to dust. Meanwhile, the US is training relatively secular Sunni forces in Jordan to fight Al Nusra once Assad finally falls (which is pretty inevitable). Meanwhile, Hezbollah in Syria are at odds with Hamas in Syria. This is completely shit for the Syrian people, but IMHO it is better to let the jihadis get killed in the honeypot they created themselves than intervene and create a bigger mess.

    39. Re:Hatebase as in hate speech, as in ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You don't quite understand how this works: the system outputs "indicators", like a probability that a specific set of discussions is "heading" towards "hate speech". With enough data, you can hope to even distinguish "stupid Democrats/Republicans" vs "these people are animals". You don't need a perfect system, just a good indication that certain publications are suspicious... Then human experts can take the relay.

    40. Re: Hatebase as in hate speech, as in ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      "While the Northern Alliance are no saints they are also not nerly as evil as the Taliban or Al Qaeda"

      That's debatable: The Northern Alliance does use rape as a military tactic. It's hard to be more evil than that.

    41. Re: Hatebase as in hate speech, as in ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Russians began a large-scale campaign of terrorist funding in 1964. The reason so many Islamic terrorist organizations speak the language of anti-American postcolonialism is because their founders learned it at Patrice Lumumba University.

      Which ones would those be? PLO of the 70's? The current hip-ideas where the "Islamic terror" is @ where developed already in the 50's by an Egyptian.

    42. Re: Hatebase as in hate speech, as in ... by SplashMyBandit · · Score: 1

      The Taliban use rape, suicide bombing, shooting girls wanting education, killing teachers, killing aid workers,killing health workers, preventing polio vaccination (which would wipe out the disease in the area, since it has nearly been eradicated from the world apart from other islamists in Nigeria), export of jihadi terrorism, etc etc So yes, while both the Taliban and Northern Alliance are evil, the Taliban are *far far more evil*.

  16. Re:If you call it ethnic cleansing then it's not b by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

    If you think "ethnic cleansing" sounds good, then you probably work for Marketing.

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  17. heh. by Black+Parrot · · Score: 2

    I read that as "hatebook".

    Where you 'enemy' people instead of 'friend' them...

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    1. Re:heh. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Where you 'enemy' people instead of 'friend' them..

      I thought that was /.

  18. Re:Mostly false positives, will be used for "hate" by mrbluze · · Score: 5, Insightful

    My expectation is that this will be used for political infighting, much like the genocide it purports to try to head off.

    I rather think this will be used to weed out political dissent among the population.

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  19. What? Why? by Penguinisto · · Score: 1

    ...don't most FPS pub servers have chatlogs?

    It'd be easier to research if they did.

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  20. Re:Mostly false positives, will be used for "hate" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    but Slashdot actually is a terrorist organization. So is any organization with same ideas.

    (Who's next? Let's just keep going until the terrorists have won.)

  21. Minority Report! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Slashdot'll hate this, right? ... right?

    1. Re:Minority Report! by phantomfive · · Score: 2

      The problem with Minority Report is they were arresting them without knowing if they actually would have committed the crime or not. Getting upset over arrests of innocent people isn't a slashdot thing, it's a world thing.

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  22. Re:Mostly false positives, will be used for "hate" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The big problem is that the term 'Hate Speech" has been diluted from it's original meaning (holding hatred against someone because of their skin color or culture without respect for their individuality). I have actually seen some media pundits claim that any criticsm of Wall Street banks is tantamount to Anti-Semitic Hate Speech, even though very few of the banks on Wall Street are actually "Jewish owned." Further, the problem with our immature culture is that they are unable to shake their racist mindsets in that they cannot handle criticism of a politician who is in some way associated with a disenfranchised group of NON-POLITICAL OFFICE HOLDERS, claiming that it is Hate Speech to have political difference of opinion. How could this, given how loosely the term is thrown around, be turned bad very quickly?

      I also see this as being a bit of a problem being fully crowd-sourced. I know we all like the idea of something being fully 'of the people', but I can also see thing as being used in personal feuds and grudges. . . which,. ironically, is how a lot of Genocides actually end up (People 'reporting' their 'rivals' to be rounded up based on personal feuds). What protection is in place to guard against fraudulent claims?

    Also, I am also confused because Genocide requires racism as public policy. Some moron screaming about how he hates some person based on their race is not about to create a genocide. If anything, they'll just alienate themselves. You need a government to commit genocide, so why isn't this software ESPECIALLY monitoring governments? What this service should be doing is targeting government and media for hate speech, which is what happened in Rwanda and Nazi Germany.

    I think the people who made the software have the right intentions. I totally jive with the intentions. . . but I also see the immature nature of our political landscape as incompatible with something as dignified as this. As long as you are claiming anyone who you don't agree with is engaging in 'hate speech', regardless of whether there is any racially motivated ratred going on or not, then it's somewhat useless and potentially Orwellian.

    I don't really agree with some of the positions that conservatives or Tea Partiers espouse, but they are legitimate discourse in a free Democratic country. . . If you add up A. *Labeling all oppositional speech as Hate Speech* and B. Providing an automated way of 'reporting' people for 'Hate Speech", it starts to look like something other than what it is.

    This is coming from someone from a Jewish lineage who had direct family members fall victim to the Genocide in Nazi Germany. . . So. . . STFU! I don't like racists, but I'm pretty sure snitches aren't much better, even if the person snitched on has some pretty terrible ideas. IF a government starts spewing that kind of stuff, that's when you need to watch out.

  23. Re:Mostly false positives, will be used for "hate" by Required+Snark · · Score: 1, Informative
    The Republican Party spouts "Hate Speech" continuously.

    Priebus accuses Democrats of supporting infanticide

    RNC Chairman Reince Priebus took a break from rebranding the Republican party to accuse Democrats of supporting infanticide.

    He writes on Red State: "The President, the Senate Majority Leader, the House Democratic Leader, and the Chair of the Democratic National Committee (in whose home state this hearing occurred) made funding Planned Parenthood an issue in the 2012 campaign. They should now all be held to account for that outspoken support. If the media won't, then voters must ask the pressing questions: Do these Democrats also believe a newborn has no rights? Do they also endorse infanticide?"

    http://politicalwire.com/archives/2013/04/03/priebus_accuses_democrats_of_supporting_infanticide.html

    Republican links gun control to bestiality

    Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-TX) linked his opposition to any gun control legislation to gay marriage and bestiality on a conference call, a recording of which was obtained by Right Wing Watch.

    Said Gohmert: "In fact, I had this discussion with some wonderful, caring Democrats earlier this week on the issue of, well, they said "surely you could agree to limit the number of rounds in a magazine, couldn't you? How would that be problematic?"

    "And I pointed out, well, once you make it ten, then why would you draw the line at ten? What's wrong with nine? Or eleven? And the problem is once you draw that limit ; it's kind of like marriage when you say it's not a man and a woman any more, then why not have three men and one woman, or four women and one man, or why not somebody has a love for an animal?"

    http://politicalwire.com/archives/2013/04/02/lawmaker_links_gun_control_to_bestiality.html

    Both of these were just in the last week, by a current member of the House, and the head of the Republican National Committee. These aren't some fringe types yelling from the sidelines, they are mainstream and one is in a national leadership position. This kind of stupid crap is being said by mainstream Republican officials every day. It's so common that it takes a particularly inspired bout of vile accusations to even get reported.

    An before you try and justify this slanderous shit by claiming that the Democrats do the same thing: No they don't. No serving Democratic official says anything like this. Note that these are actual quotes from the individuals, not some perverse made up fantasy on Fox News, or as it should be called Fox Pravda

    So I'm going to look into this project, and I may contribute some examples like this. It's not like I would have any trouble finding material.

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  24. Re:Mostly false positives, will be used for "hate" by ohnocitizen · · Score: 1
    Why is this marked insightful?

    For an example of what I'm talking about, look at the Southern Poverty Law Center's pronouncements - including especially their advice to law enforcement and the Department of Homeland Security that displaying bumper stickers supporting Ron Paul during the presidential primary, or any of a number of other pro-Constitution or Tea Party political position messages, was a sign that the driver was a terrorist.

    Let's see, upset at SPLC? Wonder why that is...

    As far as designating drivers with Ron Paul stickers as terrorists, you are most likely confusing that (deliberately or not) with their investigations into and reporting on right wing hate groups that planned or carried out attacks. Like this one. I mean, if we are talking about militia groups, patriot movement groups, and sovereign citizens, we are talking about groups that have attacked or planned to attack police officers.

  25. Statistical power? by tgv · · Score: 2

    This sounds a bit off to me. Statistical NLP needs large amounts of data. How many data points do they have that can reliably be labelled "precursor of genocide" vs "no precursor of genocide"? There haven't been that many genocides, is it? And as the article says: "hate speech isn't in short supply"...

    1. Re:Statistical power? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      One.

  26. "The 8 stages of Genocide" by nomad-9 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Just read the part about the 8 stages of genocide of this so-called "Genocide Watch" ( http://www.genocidewatch.org/aboutgenocide/8stagesofgenocide.html )

    Unfortunately they focus mainly on religious and ethnic hatred, which doesn't really account for some of the biggest genocides of the 20th century like in Pol Pot's Cambodia, Stalin's USSR and Mao's China, They do mention Pol Pot a couple of times, for the "blue ribbon" symbolism and the "Denial" stage, but miss the root of the problem. Their view is shallow at best, IMO.

    It is fashionable to focus almost exclusively on race, religion and nationalism, but ironically, the biggest killings in the past century came from ideologies aiming to unite mankind beyond those "hate" barriers.

    "Genocide Watch" would have probably missed those "early stages" of Communism...

    1. Re:"The 8 stages of Genocide" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Sure, you could redefine "genocide" to mean: times when lots of people died that I can blame on ideologies and/or groups of people that I don't happen to like. But the point of the current definition is that most people should be able to agree that it's not something that should ever be done intentionally - as opposed to debates about lots of people starving to death as an unintended consequence of particular political/economic policies.

    2. Re:"The 8 stages of Genocide" by roman_mir · · Score: 1

      I happen not to like genocidal collectivists of all types, communist, socialist, fascist, religious, etc. I just do not discriminate against them that way.

    3. Re:"The 8 stages of Genocide" by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Wait a second. Are you claiming that Stalin and Mao's genocides were unintended consequences?

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    4. Re:"The 8 stages of Genocide" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know about Mao, but there's a pretty solid case for Stalin, at least. I'll grant he didn't give half a fuck if lots of people died from his policies, but to sit back and shrug while people die is not the same thing as actively killing them.

    5. Re:"The 8 stages of Genocide" by HornWumpus · · Score: 1

      Exactly wrong. There is a solid case that Stalin shipped all the livestock and seed away from the affected area before the famine started. It was political and engineered to kill people.

      The evidence is not quite so clear in Mao's case that the famine was engineered.

      In both cases food was given to those in favor and withheld from the 'counter revolutionaries'.

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    6. Re:"The 8 stages of Genocide" by khallow · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately they focus mainly on religious and ethnic hatred, which doesn't really account for some of the biggest genocides of the 20th century like in Pol Pot's Cambodia, Stalin's USSR and Mao's China, They do mention Pol Pot a couple of times, for the "blue ribbon" symbolism and the "Denial" stage, but miss the root of the problem. Their view is shallow at best, IMO.

      But is there anything wrong with the overall categorization? I think a better example would be the conquests of the Mongols (and similar brutal wars, during the fall of the Western Roman Empire). They had many of the characteristics like dehumanization, but they didn't bother with symobolization,or organization. In situations where it was ordered, the Horde moved in and just killed everyone. No need to make plans for genocide when you have an extremely competent and obedient army ready to carry out your every whim efficiently. I doubt that the Mongols bothered to polarize their forces before most such massacres.

      Most significantly, there was never any attempt to hide such atrocities. Widespread knowledge of previous atrocities made future battles and conquests easier.

      "Genocide Watch" would have probably missed those "early stages" of Communism...

      Let's take a look. Classification and symbolism is pretty obvious. They classified a lot of people in classes that were good (eg, revolutionaries, proletariat, heroes of the people, etc) and bad (kulaks, capitalists, class enemy, enemy of the people, etc).

      Some categories were vague such as "kulak" which apparently degenerated in the late 30s into whoever could be accused (apparently, the secret police had quotas and not enough kulaks around to meet said quotas).

      Dehumanization happened as well. For example, here's a quote from Lenin in a speech written some point in 1918 and published in 1925:

      ...while barely two million consist of kulaks, rich peasants, grain profiteers. These bloodsuckers have grown rich on the want suffered by the people in the war; they have raked in thousands and hundreds of thousands of rubles by pushing up the price of grain and other products. These spiders have grown fat at the expense of the peasants ruined by the war, at the expense of the starving workers. These leeches have sucked the blood of the working people and grown richer as the workers in the cities and factories starved. These vampires have been gathering the landed estates into their hands; they continue to enslave the poor peasants.

      Ruthless war on the kulaks! Death to them! Hatred and contempt for the parties which defend them-the Right Socialist-Revolutionaries, the Mensheviks, and today's Left Socialist-Revolutionaries! The workers must crush the revolts of the kulaks with an iron hand, the kulaks who are forming an alliance with the foreign capitalists against the working people of their own country.

      The kulaks take advantage of the ignorance, the disunity and isolation of the poor peasants. They incite them against the workers. Sometimes they bribe them while permitting them to "make a bit", a hundred rubles or so, by profiteering in grain (at the same time robbing the poor peasants of many thousands of rubles). The kulaks try to win the support of the middle peasants, and they sometimes succeed.

      Note the use of dehumanizing terms like "bloodsucker", "spider", "leech", and "vampire". Then a call for their deaths in the middle paragraph. There are other timeslike when during a revolt Lenin ordered the hanging of a hundred kulaks to make examples of them.

      There would have been about 15 years of genocide precursors (and ruthless massacres and imprisonments) prior to the Ukrainian Homodor (in which several million Ukrainians died).

    7. Re:"The 8 stages of Genocide" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...while barely two million consist of kulaks, rich peasants, grain profiteers. These bloodsuckers have grown rich on the want suffered by the people in the war; they have raked in thousands and hundreds of thousands of rubles by pushing up the price of grain and other products. These spiders have grown fat at the expense of the peasants ruined by the war, at the expense of the starving workers. These leeches have sucked the blood of the working people and grown richer as the workers in the cities and factories starved. These vampires have been gathering the landed estates into their hands; they continue to enslave the poor peasants.
       

      Hmmm...all you need to do is sub in '1%', 'bankers', and 'middle class' here and there and you've more or less got the language Occupy Wall Street people like to use. I'm not going to open a can of worms by taking a side on the matter, but I just thought it was interesting.

  27. no data for big data by stenvar · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The basis for this appears to be pure speculation. There is no actual data (big or otherwise) showing the validity of the assumptions on which this is based.

  28. New ammunition for political correct do-gooders? by Takatata · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Always looking for new ways to feel morally superior and lecture others. 'You don't say this', 'you don't say that'. Everyone says that? No negative connotation? Who cares? We say it is discriminating and if you don't follow us, you are a racist. Fortunately those cannot read thoughts, else they would tell you what to think and what not to think.

  29. Top match by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Upgrading to Windows 8"

  30. Re:Mostly false positives, will be used for "hate" by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

    You need a government to commit genocide

    Says who?

    The only requirement is that people kill a bunch of other people based on their race/ethnic group/religion/whatever.

    Having a government with policies friendly to this type of activity is certainly helpful, but is in no way a requirement for it to happen.

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  31. Recursion in one easy step: by VortexCortex · · Score: 2

    Eradicate ALL those with precursors for perpetrating Genocide!

  32. Genoside? by maliqua · · Score: 2

    Precursors to genocide. hyperbole much? "Timmys blog sure is strange, seems like he might be on the road to wiping out an entire race of people"

  33. Re:Mostly false positives, will be used for "hate" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Slashdot parent poster is a suspected terrorist and has been reported to DHS Anti-Terrorist authorities. IP address and other relevant information has been recorded for posterity. Thank you for your time.

  34. I'm surprised nobody's said by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Let's stick it on the hatabase".

  35. Re:Mostly false positives, will be used for "hate" by AlphaWolf_HK · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I think you just proved his point. You are doing exactly that, you are using this as fodder for political infighting. You don't like it so you label it as hate speech. Does that mean we treat it the same way Europe treats it? Somebody makes an anti-Semitic comment on twitter, so France wants to put them in jail?

    Anyways, yes they both do it. 10 seconds of google and I found something that tops yours: Obama makes fun of disabled people:

    http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2009/03/president-ob-15-3/

    You're one of those people who I commonly rail against when I say we need to stop treating the election like we're rival football teams. Quite possibly one of the ones I rail against for blind voting.

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  36. Re:Mostly false positives, will be used for "hate" by RogueyWon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm not in the US, so maybe I'm missing some context here, but...

    How on earth are either of the links you've just posted examples of hate speech? The first is a line on the abortion debate that we've seen many times over the years. I'm not going to pick sides in that one; but if you approach the debate (as some people do) with the starting point that foes "life begins at conception" then abortion is infanticide. I think a lot of the lack of civility around that particular debate stems from the fact that neither side recognises just how high the stakes feel for the other side in it.

    The second link is a fairly silly take on the gun control debate that somehow slides into an odd reductio ab absurdum take on the gay marriage debate. But again, incoherent though it is, is it really hate speech?

    If somebody says "All members of (ethnic group x/social group y) are scum! Let's (kill them/throw them out of our country/deprive them of their property rights)" then that feels like hate speech. That's a hell of a long way from either of the examples you link to.

    As a test, let's take an example from a left-wing perspective of somebody linking a (generally supported - the UK public consistently backs a tougher line on welfare in polls) Government policy to murder. In this case, it's the murder of the disabled rather than the infanticide, but I think that's still pretty emotive. So: from the UK's Guardian newspaper. Is that hate speech?

    If you answer "yes", at least you're consistent. If your answer is no, then it looks more like you're just demonstrating totalitarian instincts to suppress speech that goes against your own values.

  37. How to by chaos_technique · · Score: 3, Interesting
    Filling the search field with a | (pipe) will give you the full listing of their "base".

    Ha, only 729 ethnic or national slurs?

    Come on, even I could do better than that :-)

    The programming seems interesting too: non ascii characters in the Search box will break the site.

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  38. Re:Mostly false positives, will be used for "hate" by sg_oneill · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Yeah dude. Political scientists don't think like that and tend to be fairly serious minded men. If activists are putting in bogus data, its going to stick out like a sore thumb.

    This seems to be more like some of the research google was doing spotting emerging trends via language use.

    Go read the stuff about the 8 stage genocide model and specifically on the 'symbolization' phase. I suspect its more about looking for trends like where a population for instance stops saying "jews" and starts saying "kikes" or whatever, whith the observation that a population is heading towards the crucial dehumanization phase needed to allow people to sleep at night whilst committing genocide.

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  39. Re:Mostly false positives, will be used for "hate" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your handle of the Mindless is fitting.

    Comparing a group of jingoistic patriots to a bunch of terrorists in relation to their bravery in a fight is the most asine thing I've heard in a while.

    A psychopath knows no fear, remorse or even simply empathy, hence the reason he can believe in the 70 virgins and blow himself up.

  40. In that case... by CdBee · · Score: 2

    I wonder if there is any hate term that includes the phrase " DROP TABLE Submissions;-- " .....

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    1. Re:In that case... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wonder if there is any hate term that includes the phrase " DROP TABLE Submissions;-- " .....

      There was...but I can't seem to get any results now. Everything's fair game!

  41. Abstraction and meanings attached.. by 3seas · · Score: 1

    Ever hear of double speak or triple speak?

    Any career politician will know it well. Well enough to avoid hate speech while committing genocide.
    How many Iraqi Citizens where victims of "Collateral damage" and what speak was attached to the top command of that happening?

    Hate speech data base? Its called "The other dictionary" when you realize abstract words can have meanings attached not in the standard dictionaries

  42. Re:Mostly false positives, will be used for "hate" by Mashiki · · Score: 2

    Almost right.

    The Tea Party *wishes* that it were a terrorist org.

    Congratulations on falling hook, line and sinker for the "one side is out making grandiose statements which aren't true and used for political disputes" as pointed out in the above post. While you're at it, you should really pay attention to exactly who's pushing that narrative.

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  43. Re:Mostly false positives, will be used for "hate" by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1, Interesting

    That's exactly my point--the Tea Partiers *wish* they were brave and fanatical enough to be terrorists, but they're too cowardly and self-centred either to put up, or to shut up.

    I don't agree with Al-Qaeda's objectives but I can still recognise that their dedication to their cause is nothing to sneer at.

    Also, while dismissing people's religious beliefs as "pychopathy" is perfectly valid in some contexts, it is not very smart at all in others.

    BTW, I don't expect anyone to get the "Mindless" thing without having studied Zen. (In 15+ years, not many have, so you're in good company.)

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  44. I love precrime! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I was going to type a thoughtful response but really I'm just going to tell 4chan and watch the fireworks.

  45. Re:Mostly false positives, will be used for "hate" by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

    But I'm not involved in their argument.

    So you're trying to congratulate me on something that didn't happen.

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  46. So anyway by Dunbal · · Score: 2

    While precursors of genocide may have been detected in some of my posts, I submit that careful measurements of the skulls of the hatebase designers reveal that they are pathological liars, according to the long established science of phrenology.

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  47. Re:Mostly false positives, will be used for "hate" by SirCowMan · · Score: 1

    Actually, it pretty much is - not necessarily a government per se but a body of power at least, which could include social shapers such as religions. Genocide is more than just being racist and killing others, it's a co-ordinated mass attempt at extermination. It requires a lot of funding, logistics, and particularly an extensive build-up of dehumanization of the target group. Which means propagation of such a message by newspaper, radio, television, and/or internet.

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  48. Re:Mostly false positives, will be used for "hate" by MickLinux · · Score: 1

    Apparently that wasn't the way the Rwandan Hutu/Tutsi genocide played out. There, the hate speech was on the radio, by radio talk show hosts. In Bosnia, it was by the various new political leaders of the new governments... but the governments were very new. Stalin's genocide of the Ukranians and Lithuanians was more like what you say.

    The genocidal US "downwind" experiments, and the Tuskegee experiments, or Andrew Jackson's "trail of tears"....I'm not really aware of what went on before the events.

    So I don't think you're completely wrong, but I think you don't have a big enough picture.

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  49. You could use /. trolls to get started by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    on your hatebase (duck ;-)

  50. Re:Mostly false positives, will be used for "hate" by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 1

    Actually, the accusation that Democrats support infanticide is based on more than the idea that abortion is infanticide. As the OP pointed out the starting point for the accusation is that Democrats almost uniformly support government funding of Planned Parenthood. In a legislative hearing on a bill to require abortion clinics to provide medical care to a baby born alive after an attempted abortion, Planned Parenthood's representative repeatedly stated that whether or not to provide any care to the infant (once it has actually been born, everyone agrees that it is an infant) should be a decision made by the mother and the doctor. When one reads what she was saying it is clear that she was supporting the right of the mother to allow her newborn child to die of exposure if the mother had been trying to abort the pregnancy. So, Planned Parenthood's representative was advocating, indirectly, for the right of the mother, in certain circumstances and in conjunction with a doctor, to perform infanticide. This was not a circumstance where the Planned Parenthood representative was ambushed and was not sure how to respond. She had gone before the legislature expressly to testify against this law. She should have known that this was the sort of question she was going to get. Therefore one can assume that the answers she gave were the ones that she prepared to give.
    Of course, one of the things that is overlooked is that this law was introduced at the same time that an abortion doctor in another state is on trial for killing a woman who came to him for an abortion and for killing several babies that were born alive in his clinic after failed abortions. The deaths he is being charged for represent only a small sample of the deaths which occurred in his clinic. If you are interested in knowing more, search for Dr. Kermit Gosnell, the man ran a house of horrors (among other things, he kept preserved feet from the babies he aborted).

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  51. Hate speech is most important to protect! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Freedom of speech is about the ability to say the things that nobody wants to hear. You don't have to like what they are saying, but you should respect their right to say it. It's only a matter of time before somebody dislikes what YOU are saying.

  52. Re:Mostly false positives, will be used for "hate" by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 1

    You forgot to mention the guy who attempted to go on a murder spree at various organizations designated by the SPLC as "hate groups".

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  53. Control and monitor of free speech by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Look at the database, it's defining racial slurs as genocide indicators. i.e. Thought crimes.

    When genocides occur, it's usually completely known about. They Hutus / Tutsis was known, happening, documented and we did pretty much nothing. Syria now, we know about and have not yet done anything.

    Perversely the slow motion genocide that Israel performs against Palestine, the first thing they do when the west objects is to wheel out any remaining survivors of the second world war genocide for a tour. Attempting to use the pity for the genocide victims, as cover.... for genocide. Very bizarre.

    I don't want to go back to the time when we couldn't criticize the appalling actions of Israel, lest you be accused of anti-semitism and have them trot out the Holocaust as justification as to why you should be silenced.... i.e. give Israel cover for its hate crimes.

    I see this project is trying to hijack George Clooneys satellite genocide project, which seeks to spot mass graves in war zones to see if a genocide is in progress. That is far more useful. This looks like a trap to define speech as hate crime and thus permit controlling and monitoring of speech.

    http://www.satsentinel.org/

    1. Re:Control and monitor of free speech by Lawrence_Bird · · Score: 1

      someone mod the AC up

    2. Re:Control and monitor of free speech by Johann+Lau · · Score: 1

      It's not just racial slurs, they have just random insults it seems, at least for German son of a bitch, bum, child fucker -- those are certainly not nice things to say, but what does this have to do with genocide? This is so frightfully stupid.

  54. No, you're clueless by Su27K · · Score: 4, Informative

    "waiguolao" definitely has a negative tone to it, and no it cannot be interpreted as "foreign elder". "waiguo" is "foreign country", you got this correct; but here "lao" is not the same Chinese character for "old/elder", it has ren (person) radical and it's a slur for a group of people. I think you confused it with "laowai", which is considered a neutral word to describe a foreigner by Chinese but not so much by the foreigners themselves.

    1. Re:No, you're clueless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How did you get marked Informative and associating "waiguolao" to a negative tone I will never know.

      I bet you think guilao is negative too.

    2. Re:No, you're clueless by Su27K · · Score: 1

      How did you get marked Informative and associating "waiguolao" to a negative tone I will never know.

      Because I'm right, just read the explanation for "luo" with ren radical in wikipedia.

      I bet you think guilao is negative too.

      Yes, "guilao" is negative.

  55. Re:Mostly false positives, will be used for "hate" by Alex+Belits · · Score: 1

    Anyways, yes they both do it. 10 seconds of google and I found something that tops yours: Obama makes fun of disabled people:

    Yes, and I constantly offend retarded people by comparing them to Microsoft and Adobe programmers, HP management, religious leaders, followers of Ayn Rand, and other dangerous people.

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  56. Re:Mostly false positives, will be used for "hate" by ilsaloving · · Score: 2

    I'm curious what search terms you used. I just read the article you linked, and I would argue that the article is evidence *against* your point rather than for.

    Firstly, it's from 4 years ago. The parent was talking about how stuff is said by republicans continually, and pointed out something from last week.

    Secondly, the president reached out by phone to the head of the special olympics, profusely apologizing for the comments. Unless you can point to a more recent article where Obama, or any other Democrat, says something else disparaging then to me this means the comments was a one-time gaff and that the lesson was well learned.

    I'm reminded of another discussion where someone pointed out how Democrats like, because one particular Democrat was discussed in a "false truth" article on politifact. However, when you start looking at the sum total of "false truth" articles on politifacts, Republicans outnumber Democrats by a pretty large ratio.

    I used to think there was no difference between the Republicans and Democrats apart from who they pander to. But now I think that, while the Democrats arn't the 'good guys', they're the overwhelming lesser of two evils.

  57. Re:Mostly false positives, will be used for "hate" by Rockoon · · Score: 1

    While on the subject of Planned Parenthood in a discussion of "hate speech" and "genocide", the racial breakdown of aborted fetuses in America is appalling, and in fact the number of Blacks killed by abortion in America outnumber all other causes of death combined. Hispanics arent far behind in these statistics.

    I don't want to turn this into a "Planned Parenthood is racist" discussion, because that speaks to motives and I don't think motives matter. The end result matters, and its a fucking holocaust.

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  58. Re:Mostly false positives, will be used for "hate" by khallow · · Score: 2

    BTW, I don't expect anyone to get the "Mindless" thing without having studied Zen. (In 15+ years, not many have, so you're in good company.)

    Sounds like you need a few more decades of it, assuming it helps at all in your situation.

    the Tea Partiers *wish* they were brave and fanatical enough to be terrorists, but they're too cowardly and self-centred either to put up, or to shut up.

    You're at the point where you're so divergent from reality that you're almost not even wrong. At least you still use labels that can be matched with real world things. There's no "wish" like that in the real world.

    And while I understand the psychological need of political rivals to talk trash about the Tea Party movement, I don't understand at all the need to just make up wild shit. What is it about fiscal responsibility, honoring the Constitution (for those who care, a real "social contract"), and reduction in government power that brings out such "hate speech" to use the term of the day?

    Also, while dismissing people's religious beliefs as "pychopathy" is perfectly valid in some contexts, it is not very smart at all in others.

    Which contexts apply here? It looks to me like we're talking about the religious beliefs of "terrorists". The people who can on occasion be conned into believing that killing someone for the mere act of not sharing exactly to the last iota your beliefs, allows you to go to a heaven where there are X number of virgins to wait on your every need?

    You mean those psychopaths? Sure, if they have my testicles hooked up to a battery or my neck on the chopping block, I would, no doubt, try to find a more diplomatic term for it, but that context doesn't apply here.

    I don't agree with Al-Qaeda's objectives

    This is the strongest criticism you can muster? Why do you disagree? Not a high enough body count? They could have better target selection? Because they commit great evil for crazy ends?

    I find it interesting how you can make up outrageous stuff (no doubt with a sneer) about one group whose most vile crime is merely to disagree with you and then pussy-foot around a second group which deliberately targets and kills innocents on a regular basis. Even the US military doesn't do that and they've killed a lot of innocents over the years.

  59. Unintended Consequenses by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    AH! Finally, a Redneck Thesaurus!

  60. Re:Mostly false positives, will be used for "hate" by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 1

    Whatever the motives of those involved with Planned Parenthood today (and you are correct that end results are more important than motives), it is clear from their writings that those who started Planned Parenthood had racist motives. That is, one of their goals in establishing Planned Parenthood was to reduce the number of minorities as a percentage of the population.

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  61. Re:Mostly false positives, will be used for "hate" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...if you approach the debate (as some people do) with the starting point that foes "life begins at conception" then abortion is infanticide.

    Sincerity of belief, per se, isn't a criteria for determining hate speech - e.g. sincerely believing one is part of a superior ethnic group that must persecute an inferior ethnic group in order to be safe.

  62. Re:Mostly false positives, will be used for "hate" by ultranova · · Score: 1

    Having a government with policies friendly to this type of activity is certainly helpful, but is in no way a requirement for it to happen.

    Having a government approval for genocide is a requirement for committing genocide because otherwise it will shut down your operation by force.

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  63. This is a very complex way by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    to do something that any idiot with 5 seconds looking at an Economy can do. Here's a hint: If a lot of people don't have food and there's a nearby ethnic group that makes a good scapegoat you've got a Genocide on your hands. Don't like it? Give 'em food. Seriously ppl, if we hadn't shit all over the Germans at the end of WWI Hitler never woulda got anywhere.

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  64. Re:Mostly false positives, will be used for "hate" by ultranova · · Score: 1

    What is it about fiscal responsibility, honoring the Constitution (for those who care, a real "social contract"), and reduction in government power that brings out such "hate speech" to use the term of the day?

    The combination of expected consequences of such actions and the assumption that anyone who disagrees with you about them is arguing in bad faith. The expected consequences of Tea Party policies are (in the opinion of its opponents) bad, and since they are self-obviously so (since otherwise said opponents would have to consider that they might be wrong), Tea Party members must be aware of them too, and are thus knowingly and willingly advocating actions which have bad outcomes - clearly, such monsters must be reviled.

    Most online discussions tend to go that way, no matter what the subject.

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  65. hope by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    hope is the big one

  66. Yo mama jokes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Everyone knows that Yo mama jokes are the root of all hate.

  67. All the hate and genocide you need is here by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Simply add several entire holy books.

  68. Hatebase --- by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    KILL THE SICK and CRIPPLED
    Numbers c.5 v.2-4
    KILL HOMOSEXUALS
    Leviticus c.20 v.13 well, really the whole chapter
    KILL ALL DISSIDENTS:
    Exodus c.32 v.27
    Numbers c.11 v.1-2
    Numbers c.16 all
    Numbers c.21 v.5-6
    Numbers c.26 v.10
    KILL anyone who engages in "DIVERSITY" or "INTEGRATION"
    Numbers v25 v.4-8
    Deuteronomy c.14 v.2
    DEHUMANIZE-DEMONIZE and then EXTERMINATE ALL NON-MEMBERS:
    Numbers c.21 v.03 Canaanites
    Numbers c.21 v.24 Amorites
    Numbers c.21 v.33-35 Bashan
    Numbers c.31 all Midianites
    Numbers c.32 v. more Amorites
    Deuteronomy c.2 v.34 People of Heshbon
    Deuteronomy c.3 v.6 really the whole chapter. threescore cities
    Joshua c.12 A list of victims of Israeli GENOCIDE
      Where are THEIR "holocaust" Memorials!
    OCCUPY YOUR VICTIM'S DWELLINGS/LAND
    Numbers c.21 v.25
    Numbers c.32 v.39
    Numbers c.33 v.53
    (just to name a FEW)
    GENOCIDE CODIFIED IN THEIR RELIGION
    Numbers c.33 v.31-34
    Deuteronomy c.7 v.2
    Deuteronomy c.12 v.28-30
    Deuteronomy c.20 v.11-16
    TERRORISM CODIFIED IN THEIR RELIGION
    Deuteronomy c.2 v.2
    Deuteronomy c.7 v.1

    1. Re:Hatebase --- by pigiron · · Score: 1

      And the Jews are actively pursuing those prescriptions in the Old Testament against the native Palestinians.

      Funny how they advocate policies for White genocide here in the U.S. but actively pursue genocide against Arabs in the "promised" land. They are changing their laws to strip Israeli Arabs of their Israeli citizenship even as we speak.

      Jews are hypocrites and murderers!

  69. Re:Mostly false positives, will be used for "hate" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You mean the one mentioned in the very first article he linked? The guy who shot up the "All gays long to molest little boys we must stop them now" looneys?

      More of that, I say. If dangerous wackos are going to shoot up places, let's encourage them to shoot at other dangerous wackos, instead of opening up on a school or something.

  70. it had shitkicker and hayseed !!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    it had shitkicker and hayseed !!!

  71. Quote by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I wonder what will happen if I search that database for "the streets will flow with the blood of the non believers" because Google is coming up with some cartoon...

  72. Re:Mostly false positives, will be used for "hate" by khallow · · Score: 1

    Ah, yes, where would we be without the ignorant to tell us what "hate speech" should mean? You see this as "hate speech". I see this as an example of the new civility in politics. The fact that you considered these even worthy of discussion indicates to me the total bankruptcy of modern political correctness. Feel free to go back to the infanticide, bestiality, or whatever it is you do when you aren't posting insipidly on Slashdot.

  73. I didn't know by bytesex · · Score: 1

    That we had already established beyond any reasonable doubt that hateful language was a predictor of genocide?

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  74. Re:Mostly false positives, will be used for "hate" by jardos · · Score: 1

    The "crowd" will include activists for one (or more) sides of contentious political disputes, who will feed the database with typical word choices of their enemies, in the hope of branding them as potential genocide perpetrators. The result will be a produce far more false positives than true ones (if it produces any of the latter at all).

    Having just examined the contents of the database, so far it appears to contain a lot of terms not widely used since the sixties or even the 19th Century. Time will tell how impartial this database is.

  75. Re:Mostly false positives, will be used for "hate" by dryeo · · Score: 1

    And while I understand the psychological need of political rivals to talk trash about the Tea Party movement, I don't understand at all the need to just make up wild shit. What is it about fiscal responsibility, honoring the Constitution (for those who care, a real "social contract"), and reduction in government power that brings out such "hate speech" to use the term of the day?

    This is a strawman. The tea party doesn't want to honour the constitution, they just want their interpretation of it. Examples are the 1st amendment, tea partiers seem to be fine with repressing speech if they label it national security, child porn or various other talking points. 2nd amendment, tea party has no problem having a whole class of people barred from owning firearms, they just maintain the medieval concept of felon to deny basic rights rather then like in my country where a judge has to order that someone can't own firearms due to misuse of firearms usually, not having a joint in their possession 40 years before.
    Fiscal responsibility? More like decreasing spending on things they don't like while increasing spending on their pet projects and causes. My government is very tea like and they've blown the surplus and put us into debt while cutting like hell but increasing spending on other things all the while screaming about how they're fiscally responsible, bastards.
    Reducing power of government? More like getting rid of things they don't like like science, environmental stuff and such while drastically increasing governments power to spy on its citizens, jail them for anything they don't like, take away basic rights like having fair elections and so much more.
    And to stay sort of on topic, they're much worse for political correct speech, just that instead of hatred, it is economic. Try labeling the bitimous sands as tar sands and they'll come down on you way worse then liberals ever enforced hate speech.

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  76. Re:Mostly false positives, will be used for "hate" by khallow · · Score: 1

    This is a strawman. The tea party doesn't want to honour the constitution

    Yep. That is a straw man. Do you have a real argument?

  77. Re:Mostly false positives, will be used for "hate" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Even in Texas, you nazis are being hunted down. Your IP address has been logged, and given the recent murder investigation in Texas, you will probably be considered a person of interest.

  78. or.... by slashmydots · · Score: 1

    They could just watch for one group of people moving to a new area and taking already scarce resources away from the native ones. That's about 90% of genocides right there.

  79. What's the weather like on planet Stormfront? by denzacar · · Score: 1

    Stormy I guess, heh?

    I can't really be bothered to dig through all of your cognitive dissonance and other bullshit.
    Though I must say that I particularly like the bit where you link texts that "prove" non-existence of islamophobia - by a columnist who can't even keep his own straw man up.

    From TFA, after rattling out a tirade of anecdotal crimes committed by Muslims:

    Given the abundant evidence of violent cause and fearful effect, involving a small percentage of antagonists, the general charge of Islamophobia is an ideological fabrication.

    See? There's no such thing as islamophobia as there is nothing to fear about Muslims - except in all these cases I just listed here, not trying to scare you or to say that "all" Muslims are bad, just the ones I know of.

    Oh, and that bit of clairvoyance... Beautiful.

    Then we have the genocides soon to come.

    Or are you perchance a time traveler?
    Either way, why are you such an asshole? Why don't you go and warn those people?
    It should be easy for you to prove the veracity of your claims to them - after all, you have access to the future news.

    We won't even talk about the historical genocides of approximately one million Armenians by Turkish jihadis in 1915, or the hundreds of thousands slaughtered by the two Bosnian Muslim SS divisions in World War II (raised by the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Haj Amin al-Husseini, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mohammad_Amin_al-Husayni - the bastard who told Hitler the idea of the "Final Solution", stating "Who remembers the Armenians").

    Being a Bosnian from Tuzla, I could point out that the nonsense stated above is beyond wildest dreams of right-wing idiots who favor the idea of an SS division comprised of local population.
    Seriously, there are local morons who would LOVE to be able to point to "hundreds of thousands slaughtered by the two Bosnian Muslim SS divisions" - on all the right sides.
    Right-wing Serbs would like to point them out as evil executioners of Serbs (despite well documented cooperation between both sides), while right-wing Muslims would like to take pride in being executioners to "hundreds of thousands" of Serbs.
    And right-wing Croats... Well, the unit WAS Croatian after all.

    Trouble is... Well...
    First there's this problem of there being ONLY ONE Bosnian Muslim division - 13th Waffen Mountain Division of the SS Handschar (1st Croatian).
    Then there's the issue of it barely being a division, and the fact that they couldn't get enough Muslims to make it a division - so they liberally added Volksdeutschers and Catholic Croats to fill the ranks.
    Which is not surprising, since the division was raised by Croatian political leadership (originally they wanted to make it a "SS Ustasa Division", and the unit was referred to as "Croatian SS-Volunteer Division" - and since it was the brainchild of one Heinrich Himmler.
    All al-Husseini had with the entire project was some rather unsuccessful recruiting.

    How unsuccessful? Well, besides the above mentioned lack of Muslims, the division is best remembered for the mutiny attempt during training in France.
    It is also well remembered for desertions and generally only being effective when they were vastly outnumbering the enemy.

    As for the war crimes, all that the Communist Yugoslavian government could come up with was

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    1. Re:What's the weather like on planet Stormfront? by SplashMyBandit · · Score: 1

      First there's this problem of there being ONLY ONE Bosnian Muslim division

      I stand corrected, there was one *Bosnian* SS division but Two *yugoslavian* SS divisions. The other being the (Muslim) Albanian Skanderbeg 21st Waffen SS division
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/21st_Waffen_Mountain_Division_of_the_SS_Skanderbeg_%281st_Albanian%29
      So I concede you are correct. Only one *Bosnian* Muslim SS Division - but you must concede that I'm correct that there were *two* Muslim SS Divisions (zero would have been a better number of SS divisions of any nationality, don't you think?).

      I am also corrected in my "hundreds of thousands" of statement. On further research the number is one hundred thousand "to a first order approximation" (78,000). Note that as part of the carnage I'm not only counting direct massacres, but also the rounding up and deportation to concentration camps. Or is all of that "ok with you" just because the Muslim ideology was no worse than the Nazi ideology (as in: totalitarian socialism, with genocidal aims against Jews and oppression of all moral Free People willing to speak out) ? Don't use that excuse, only evil people justify the slaughter in that way.

      Please also note that I take pains to mention the trouble is with the doctrines of Islam, not with Muslims (who are enslaved by it). I do note that you never contest the Suras I presented which clearly call for genocide. Would you care to agree with me that they clearly call for genocide? and that these Suras are used today to justify rape and murder on a large scale today? could you please point to a Sura that abrogates 9:5? you can't, can you? you are quibbling about things around the edges while denying the reality of my core thesis - Islam commands Genocide. This is different from Christian Churches, who have also committed all sorts of crimes in the past, but the Christian *mainstream* is completely against genocide. Meanwhile Islam is still hell-bent on the genocide of Jews and the global subjugation of all non-Muslims into the Muslim political order. We both know this to be true.

      While I haven't been to Bosnia nor Serbia I do get at least one side of the Kosovo story from a Serbian friend that I talk with daily. Of course he has a particular slant on events, but at least I have a local information source. While we are at it, I will state that the actions of Republika Srpska in Bosnia were wrong (and yes, bordering genocidal) - just so you know my views are independent of that friendship.

      So we can dance around the numbers and whether the motivation of the Yugoslavian SS divisions was nationalism or religion (or both). However we can gauge your morality with a couple of quick yes or no questions:

      Do you agree with the actions of the Muslim components of the Yugoslavian SS Divisions? yes or no?

      Do you believe in conducting genocide of Jews and killing, conversion or subjugation of all non-Muslims in accordance with Sahih Muslim, 41:6985 and Suras 9:29? yes or no? (see the *lots* of commands for evil: http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1094048/pg1)

      Do you agree that the Qur'an makes fighting obligatory ("fard") for all Muslim males once they reach sufficient strength to overcome the non-Muslims, as attested to in numerous Sura and hadith? yes or no? see http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Jihad_is_Compulsory_(Fard)

      Of course, if you are a true Muslim you answered "yes" to all these questions. If you answered "no" to any of them (eg. as a secular person would) then you are an "apostate" and you will be killed just as soon as a devout Muslim can manage it (eg. if the rest of your family is devout).

      Ok, you can try argue, "That's all history. It was World War II and everyone was at it". Well, if genocide is not a core part of Islamic Doctrine how do you excuse the *Grand Mufti* of Jerusalem calling for

    2. Re:What's the weather like on planet Stormfront? by denzacar · · Score: 1

      Which part of "I can't really be bothered to dig through all of your cognitive dissonance and other bullshit." did you not understand?

      I wasted some time to point out a rather glaring and easily refutable historical error.
      Your other "arguments" are of no interest to me, nor am I about to waste time digging through them just to point out where else you are wrong while you keep moving goalposts, loading and begging the questions, with me giving your tirade an illusion of a civilized debate when all you're capable of is confirmation bias and cognitive dissonance, based on some illogical phobias that I don't really care about.

      As such is the case... bye.

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    3. Re:What's the weather like on planet Stormfront? by SplashMyBandit · · Score: 1

      Which part of "I can't really be bothered to dig through all of your cognitive dissonance and other bullshit." did you not understand?

      Ah, you can't refute so instead you "hit n run". You make some assertion about cognitive dissonance yet provide *zero* evidence. You do provide some value in clarifying some minor points but carefully skirt around the main thesis.

      If you had provided some more references I would have been pleased to follow them all - and would hope you would do the same and check the veracity of the references I'd provided. You never know, you might have actually learned something - or taught me something (if you could indeed back up your unverified claims).

      Bye bye. You had the perfect opportunity to teach someone your point of view, and debate from there. Instead you act like Mr Grumpy. Quite typical of your average supremacist.

    4. Re:What's the weather like on planet Stormfront? by SplashMyBandit · · Score: 1

      Oh yeah - since you threw out the words "cognitive dissonance" without ever understanding that it is you that is afflicted by it, I would suggest you listen to the wise words of the Syrian, Wafa Sultan:
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hcm873G94jo

    5. Re:What's the weather like on planet Stormfront? by SplashMyBandit · · Score: 1

      When stuff like the following happens, as it has been for 1400 years, one does not have to be a genius to see the future for Copts in Egypt. You sneer at me, but by doing so you are aiding an abetting the following intolerance. Do you want to be an evil person?:
      http://www.jihadwatch.org/2013/04/coptic-christians-under-siege-as-muslim-mob-attacks-cairo-cathedral.html

  80. Hate speech causes genocide! by Baldrson · · Score: 1
    Let's see, just prior to their demographic collapse, creating a population vacuum now being filled by invading populations from around the world, people of European descent were being labeled as"whites" and "racist" and "xenophobic" and "prejudiced" and "discriminatory" and "imperialistic" and "genocidal" and "supremacist", there being "no place for" them if they wanted to be left alone as that would be "segregationists".

    Yep, clearly hate speech causes genocide.

  81. Since when does Singh go "meow"? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not one peep about what is happening to Sikhs in Punjab. Hello, Silicon Valley? Oh, I almost forgot. They do not control the banks, media and academia.

  82. Re:Mostly false positives, will be used for "hate" by Alex+Belits · · Score: 1

    I'm not going to pick sides in that one; but if you approach the debate (as some people do) with the starting point that foes "life begins at conception" then abortion is infanticide.

    "Life" is not sufficient to call something a person. Nothing can be gained from discussing abortion with people who do not understand that, and at some point society has to bring down the banhammer.

    If somebody says "All members of (ethnic group x/social group y) are scum! Let's (kill them/throw them out of our country/deprive them of their property rights)" then that feels like hate speech.

    "Scum" and "convicted felons" are social groups, too.

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  83. Re:Mostly false positives, will be used for "hate" by Alex+Belits · · Score: 1

    Yeah dude. Political scientists don't think like that and tend to be fairly serious minded men. If activists are putting in bogus data, its going to stick out like a sore thumb.

    That would be true if there was a large amount of speech on the subject to begin with.

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  84. Re:If you call it ethnic cleansing then it's not b by Alex+Belits · · Score: 1

    Just the opposite. The term "ethnic cleansing" is mostly used by journalists to imply "genocide" while only having evidence of ethnic discrimination or prejudice. Ex: Kosovo.

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  85. Re:Mostly false positives, will be used for "hate" by Zontar+The+Mindless · · Score: 1

    The best you can come up with are ad hominems and projection? I think we're done here. Have a nice day.

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  86. Re:Mostly false positives, will be used for "hate" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Nigger Spics Jiggaboo kikes.

  87. Hell, just grep for "Those People" or... by BubbaDave · · Score: 1

    "those people" "those (ethnicity plural)" "the (ethnicity plural)"

  88. Re:Mostly false positives, will be used for "hate" by MickLinux · · Score: 1

    Get lost. I find it quite offensive what our forebears did to both Jews and blacks. To continue it or other offenses in the name of anything would be obscene.

    And I don't like your lol, either.

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