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Well, I read the EULA (or whatever Apple called those) for 10.2, and there was nothing said there about the legality of running that OS on non-apple hardware. So I ran it on PowerPC emulator http://wiki.pearpc.net/index.php/PearPC_Tour

Did the Apple change their EULA so you cannot do that with 10.5_x86?

That's a good point. I believe that (thankfully) the lowered barriers that virtual machines create hasn't significantly impacted virus development.

Sheepshaver and PearPC have been available for about a couple of years now. Performance issues and inconveniences aside, virus devs can easily *try* to write viruses for Mac OS X, and yet nothing's really come of it.

Maybe virtual machines are facilitating more virus devs using Linux to create viruses on VMWare'd Windows installations. :)

Interestingly you can already boot OSX on commodity hardware PearPC, it just isn't that fast yet, but quite usable for testing and playing aorund with.

If Apple does turn out to use straight pentiums or similar then the speed would be greatly improved.

Read the pearpc-devel mailing list or the PearPC.net forums - there are updates to the code daily! Just because they haven't released a new stable version, it doesn't mean that the development is dead. The developers of PearPC are working on OpenBIOS support, enhanced Altivec and hwmmu.

On what do you base that PearPC is dead?
PearPC happens to be very much alive and alot of work is still actively being done on it...
see: PearPC.net

I thought the violations in their video products had been known for a while? IIRC, there was a discussion about it in the PearPC forums. Interestingly enough, one of the people who looked into it said that if it weren't for the fact that it was in violation of the GPL, their products would actually be pretty good.

There's been no (official) talk of this on the mailing list or (as far as I know) the forums. To GP: Please research before making such baseless speculation.

Cherry OS is a rip-off of PearPC which is about PowerPC/Apple Mac simulation on the PC platform.

One post quotes a letter from them:

We are currently evaluating a number of issues with the product [CherryOS]. Unfortunately at this time we have another important requirement with a different product. Since we cannot fix CherryOS right now we've decided to take it off the shelves.

Should you require a refund we would be more then happy to obligate you.

One post quotes a letter from them:

We are currently evaluating a number of issues with the product [CherryOS]. Unfortunately at this time we have another important requirement with a different product. Since we cannot fix CherryOS right now we've decided to take it off the shelves.

Should you require a refund we would be more then happy to obligate you.

Just to add on a few extra's: PearPC community site direct link to the discussion there on CherryOS (LONG thread) The donation page for PearPC's legal fund

Just to add on a few extra's: PearPC community site direct link to the discussion there on CherryOS (LONG thread) The donation page for PearPC's legal fund

But remember, the GPL itself is not specifically "tested", per se, because GPL software developers assert them rights granted to them via copyright on an individual basis. This makes it a sometimes long and arduous process to assert rights and/or prove infringement, but hopefully more precedent will help.

Since the provisions of the GPL have been upheld in a case in Germany as well, maybe PearPC will be able to more easily defend itself against CherryOS, which has blatantly taken GPL code, without release of source code or attribution, from PearPC and several other GPL projects:

eWeek has a general overview of the situation:

http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1775386,00.as p

Below is a comprehensive collection of evidence, which runs the gamut from CherryOS including original PearPC graphics, extremely unique strings and error messages, debug code from PearPC, the same unique MAC address as PearPC's default network adapter, shared specific functionality, including bugs, and so on:

http://www.ht-technology.com/cherryos-pearpc/cherr yos-pearpc.html

http://www.drunkenblog.com/drunkenblog-archives/00 0501.html
http://www.drunkenblog.com/drunkenblog-archives/00 0503.html
http://www.drunkenblog.com/drunkenblog-archives/00 0504.html
http://www.drunkenblog.com/drunkenblog-archives/00 0507.html

http://starport.dnsalias.net/index.php?show=articl e&id=348

http://forums.pearpc.net/viewtopic.php?p=16178#161 78
http://www.tliquest.net/ryan/cherryos/
http://dhost.info/kourge/en/projects/frauds/cherry os.php

Additionally, PearPC project authors are already asserting their rights under the GPL:

http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg _id=11116974

And a general compilation of some of the evidence so far against CherryOS:

http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/message.php?msg _id=11125509

Wrong, try again.

Link to the PearPC Forum's thread where most of the uncovering was done:

http://forums.pearpc.net/viewtopic.php?t=1237&post days=0&postorder=asc&start=0/

http://forums.pearpc.net/viewtopic.php?t=1237

Go here for a movie from the creator of CherryOS.

Go here for a topic discussion on PearPC.net.

I already dual-boot multiple OSes on my PC and on my Mac, I'd love the flexibility of adding MacOSX to the list on the PC, and MS-Windows to the Mac, without messing w/ emulation environments. Of course, the partition table issue will have to be addressed. Thankfully, PCs can read and write Mac filesystems w/ 3rd-party software, and Macs can read and write FAT. Anyone know if they can read NTFS and FAT32?

Speaking of emulation environments, giving PearPC a whirl is on my to-do list. Anyone have any experience w/ this w/ either OS X or classic MacOS?

The hardware problem w/ the Macs isn't so much the price-performance issue anymore, but the lack of low-end hardware. Cheapest new Mac Apple has is USD$799, and low-end new Intel/Athlon boxes WITH MS-Windows preinstalled start at well under USD$300.

As far as drivers, it'll be not much worse than Windows NT was in the early days. You'll have a lot of things not working at all, but many devices that currently work w/ Mac should work just fine on Intel. For most that don't, it should be just a matter of a little software tweaking by the manufacturer. As far as Apps, I'd hope that Apple would be smart enough to 1) make it relatively painless for software vendors to recompile and work out the inevitable kinks, and 2) include a basic PPC emulation mode for existing apps, similar to the old 68000 emulation mode.

Now here's an interesting thought: MacOS X on x86.