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Re:Mars Exploration
How does the human lifespan figure into the difficulties of traveling to Mars? We aren't talking Pluto here, Mars is only 8.5 months away from Earth using a Hohmann Transfer Ellipse.
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It Would Have Self-Destructed And Then Some
Start with the space shuttle's tethered power generation experiments: http://www.phy6.org/earthmag/wtether.htm
Multiply the power generated by the many orders of magnitude that the elevator is longer than the tether was.
As the elevator swung through the magnetosphere on the aposol and perisol points of its rotation, it'd be generating billions of volts and conducting huge amounts of current down to the ground and out the top end of the elevator.
The ground equipment and probably a portion of the bottom of the elevator would be turned to plasma. Same at the other end. The rest of the structure would orbit free and crash. Enough of it would not be burned away that the remainder would wrap around the Earth several times.
Note that this scenario would require it be completely built before the effect started. This is, of course, impossible. It would be burning itself away as its length was increased. Note also that this is due to the structure only, not the dynamics of something going up and down it. Nothing would ever get the chance to make the trip.
It is at first obvious that generating power in this fashion would power the elevator. Less obvious but more important, is what to do with the 99.999% of the generated power that's surplus. It's just too much surplus, and we have no technology to carry that much power safely on such a structure.
Look at the details of the tether experiment. Less than 20 km of tether produced 3500 volts and burned the tether away from the shuttle. The elevator would be 4216 times longer. Also, the tether was not directly vertical, whereas the elevator would be. The amount of power generated would be more than the 4216 times the length.
A primary choice for the elevator structure is carbon fiber. When that stuff burns it puts out a cloud of random buckytube-like particles which pose a health hazard much like a cloud of equivalent mass of asbestos. The best choice of material for the structure would be pretty near the worst choice when it came to its inevitable self-destruction.
If the elevator burned away in the atmosphere, the carbon particulate would be a nasty pollutant. If the structure boiled itself away at higher altitude, outside the atmosphere, it would leave a trail of carbon particles that would become a hazard to spacecraft. Flying through that cloud would be like plowing into fine sand. A brief encounter would be very little trouble. But trying to fly at that same orbit for an extended time would erode away the spacecraft. If it were dense enough, it could also collect some charge in the manner of the tether, and discharge that into a spacecraft approaching it.
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Re:Tough?
Because you need to deal with a much higher delta-V when landing on the pole compared to landing on the equator
Let's see... Mars diameter... sidereal rotation... carry the two... 240 m/s. Earth-Mars velocity difference 2649 m/s. The delta-V due to rotation is a tenth of what needs to happen to burn off the delta-v from getting to Mars in the first place. It's an extra handful of seconds behind the heat shield, plowing through the atmosphere. It's not really all that tough. -
C++ is like this one Tom and Jerry cartoon...
C++ likes to hide things from the programmer... There are so many cases of this, I won't even list them to prove my point. If you're a C++ programmer, you'll know what I mean.
If you're not a C++ programmer, then the best way to describe it is like this:
There was a Tom and Jerry cartoon where Tom finally catches Jerry in his hands. As he peeks into a hole made by his fists, he sees Jerry peeking into his own tiny hands. Tom is curious what is in Jerry's hands and tries to look, too. Jerry pulls his hand away and hides it out of Tom's view. Now Tom is really curious and has to kindly ask Jerry to show him what he's hiding in his hands. Jerry then gets his fist near Tom's eye and then gives him a big sucker punch in the eye and runs away.
Tom is the programmer (you) and Jerry is C++. You *think* you have control. But when you want to look very closely at things, then Jerry won't let you. You have to do a few things "against the spirit of the language" in order to get your work done (or else have a very costly rewrite for very marginal additional features.) After you have done this dirty deed, Jerry will sock you in the eye some time later. You don't know when, and you think you got away with it, but it'll happen... usually before a critical deadline because that's when the highest volume of code changes occurs. Of course, you feel kind of dumb that Jerry did this to you. But there are so many countless ways, you can always get caught by a new one, and then eventually he tries an old trick on you that you forgot about. An experienced programmer will sort of just accept that this abuse is part of why he gets paid so much.
C++ is like this Tom and Jerry cartoon where Jerry sucker punches Tom in the eye. Until we invent a language that doesn't do that, we will be stuck in this prehistoric age where future generations will look at our existing programming languages in puzzlement in the same way as we now look at doing math in Roman numerals as peculiar and unintuitive.
Whether the code itself is interpreted or native compiled is irrelevant to our progress in software development.
You would think that by now someone would have invented a better language to replace all of our existing ones. But then again, you would have thought that the Romans would have invented a numeral system that allowed them to progress in mathematics to a point where they could understand how their multiplication tricks worked:
http://www.phy6.org/outreach/edu/roman.htm
But that never happened, and similarly, Western civilization may expire before we have a competent programming language. -
Re:These questions must be asked:"Doesn't matter how it faired, the shuttle has been a waste of money and space. Keep It Simple Stupid policy should be for rockets too, and the shuttle is hardly the simplest solution."
Well, frankly, the Shuttle is the solution to a number of problems. It is one vehicle that can act as a laboratory in space (especially with the SpaceLab module), it can service satellites in orbit (try to maintain the Hubble Space Telescope without a shuttle), it can retrieve thousands of pounds from space and return it to Earth.
I assume your solution is to build different spacecraft for each mission? How much money is that going to take, duplicating the same solutions to the same problems over and over and over again?
Take a few examples:- The Space Tether Experiment -- I assume your solution would have been to build a spacecraft to handle this. Consider, also, that the tether broke on the mission. How would you have returned the unbroken end to Earth in order to determine what had happened?
- There's a neat article here on some of the experiments done on the Columbia mission. How would you duplicate those experiments without the Shuttle?
This is where I get crabby about people who bash the Shuttle. The Shuttle had no clear mission and was set up to be a jack-of-all-trades. Unlike NASA missions before it, where most of the equipment was designed for a series of experiments or to perform straighforward tasks, the Shuttle is a platform for doing many different things.
Consider Gemini, as an example. Basically, Gemini was designed to test docking in space. Once it had been shown that docking could be done and the skills and procedures needed to carry it out, Gemini was thrown out.
But which is better? It's a tricky question. Obviously, the advantage to having the Shuttle is that various experiments can be designed without having to engineer in the whole launch/re-entry system. This actually makes experiments in orbit cheaper--when there are a sufficient number of experiments--in that the whole get up to orbit and get back down thing has been taken care of.
Conversely, running such a flexible vehicle as the Shuttle is more expensive than launching a rocket. The Shuttle, for example, is a waste of money for launching a satellite. The ISS will, hopefully, obsolete the Shuttle for doing space-based experimentation. And using the Shuttle as a "space taxi" for bringing people and experiments back-and-forth to ISS is a pretty expensive way to do it.
So, no, I don't bash the Shuttle. It certainly has not been a waste of money or space. Having semi-regular access to space and the ability to send up lots of different things and do lots of different things has been very useful. I think the Shuttle has accomplished more in the last twenty years than we would have accomplished by having to spend the money on individual missions into orbit in Apollo-class orbiters.
But, that said, I do think the days of the Shuttle are at an end. Once the ISS is established and properly manned, about the only benefit to the Shuttle will be it's ability to repair/maintain orbiting satellites. Which brings up a neat question: What to do with the Shuttles?
Personally, I'd take two of the Shuttles and give them one last re-engineering. I'd set them up so that they could permanently be operated, refueled and maintained in orbit. I'd launch them up there and use them for maintaining orbiting satellites (such as space telescopes). They'd never come home again. -
Re:Another giant step backward...
This differs from my main point (and so I don't want to get sidetracked), but I found a few links...
Funny, and very fitting to the topic at hand
A link discussing Newton's theory of Universal Gravitation
Things moving towards other things is an observed phenomena. "Gravity" is the name we gave to the force that causes this. Thus "gravity" is a theory. -
Why should we care?Losing the magnetic field would cause some big problems. First, the magnetic field acts as a shield which diverts the solar wind to the poles. (That's the aurora we see.) I don't know about you, but I don't want to wear sunblock every day.
Second, much of our electronic communications would be interrupted without this protection. For more information see this FAQ