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Re:Kitt Peak
Yes! The trip to Kitt Peak is worth it just for the fantastic view of the surrounding countryside. And if you're in the neighborhood, you could also visit the nearby Whipple Observatory, about an hour south of Tucson. You'll need an appointment to take the tour at Whipple. Whipple Observatory Visitor's Center While in Tucson, you can spend a lot of time at the Pima Air and Space Museum if you're in to that kind of thing.
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Re:Air Force One replacement
The presidential planes certainly have grown through he years! Eisenhower's plane was a Lockheed Constellation (on display at the Pima Air Museum in Tucson). It's downright cramped compared to even a B737 or A320. Perhaps bigger concerns in this era of globe-trotting politicians are range and the number of airports it can use. Both the B747-8 and the A380 have long cruising ranges, but both are also limited to the largest airports with the longest runways. It's time to forget about having the biggest and best, and think about the most practical replacement for Air Force One. On the bright side, they accumulate less flying hours and flight cycles than they would in airline service, so they're likely in better shape than age suggests.
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The Boneyard
The most impressive Google Maps sight I've seen so far is The Boneyard, where all the retired air force planes go. This location is at Davis Monthan Air Force Base. It is nicknamed "the boneyard" for obvious reasons and also "the world's largest airforce," as it holds more military airplanes than any nation's standing airforce. It's somewhere around Tucson, Arizona. Apparently there are also guided tours you can take.
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Re:Comeon, 1 meter per pixel....
I assume they're there mainly for spare parts?
Yeah and storage.
The official name is the AMARC.
Here's another great Aerial photo
If you're ever in Tucson, the Pima Air and Space museum gives tours of the boneyard. -
Re:Titan II Missile SitePlease learn how to make links.
<a href="http://www.pimaair.org/TitanMM/titanhome.sh
(without any spaces put there by Slashdot) yields: The Titan near Tuscont ml">The Titan near Tuscon</a> -
How about a Missile Silo Museum?
It's a tour of an abandoned missile silo. Pretty kool. Don't try this at home (well unless your home IS a missile silo).
If you'd like to see a silo without the health (and legal) risks... and learn a bit, check out the Titan Missile Museum in Tucson, Arizona (Museum Photo Tour.) Quite impressive. I went last year. Even got to press the button, which was a bit unsettling. -
How about a Missile Silo Museum?
It's a tour of an abandoned missile silo. Pretty kool. Don't try this at home (well unless your home IS a missile silo).
If you'd like to see a silo without the health (and legal) risks... and learn a bit, check out the Titan Missile Museum in Tucson, Arizona (Museum Photo Tour.) Quite impressive. I went last year. Even got to press the button, which was a bit unsettling. -
Here's the movieThe old Rock Hudson movie, A Gathering of Eagles had some footage from inside a Titan I site. There's a scene inside one of the large domes and, of course, one of a silo containing a big missile.
About 20 years ago I exchanged some newsgroup postings with someone who "spelunked" some mysterious site in Colorado which had 3 silos (filled with water) that sounded just like a Titan I site. I couldn't tell which site it was.
There's a Titan II site open to the public, the Titan Missile Museum in Arizona . But those sites only had one silo instead of 3, and there's only one (smaller) domed area without the separate power house.
Rick.
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Titan missile museum
In Arizona, there is the Titan Missile Museum. Since the Titan was nuclear-capable, and in the cold war era, they were very closely tracked. The museum claims to be the ONLY surviving launch facility; they even have a video presentation showing how they demolished the others, and (if I recall correctly) a map of all other locations. One of the conditions placed on keeping this location and not demolishing it was to permenantly wedge the silo door half open - in a position that they could be clearly seen from a spy satellite, but the missile could not be launched.
So, either this is a fake - or you'll need to send the museum a letter after you move in. -
Re:Sites in Arizona / Pima Air & Space Musem
You left out the Pima Air and Space Musem with their own Titan II Missle Silo in and near Tucson. See where they would have made the launch and how it would have gone down (turn the key and push the button!).
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Re:Sites in Arizona / Pima Air & Space Musem
You left out the Pima Air and Space Musem with their own Titan II Missle Silo in and near Tucson. See where they would have made the launch and how it would have gone down (turn the key and push the button!).
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Devils Tower, WY
A couple of places I would suggest:
Devils Tower in Wyoming - It was featured in "Close Encounters" and has that going for it, but it's an amazing mountain in its own right and was the first place designated as a U.S. National Monument, plus the area around there is quite nice, and if you're gonna be heading to Yosemite, it's not that far away. :-)
Davis-Monthan Air Force Base, in Tucscon, AZ. Tours are available of the huge aircraft boneyard there. -
Titan Missile MuseumCheck out the Titan Missile Museum in Arizona. About 100 yards off the side of the freeway as you go from Tucson towards Mexico, there's an old silo, with the missile pointing up at you from its hole in the ground.
And then go watch Dr Strangelove.
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Titan missile and biosphere 2
While in Arizona you can check the Titan missile museum, which has the Titan intercontinantal missiles of the cold war, and in Oracle you can visit the biosphere 2 lab. Just for real nerds.
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Couple/Few Ideas
In San Diego, you could check out The computer museum of America . In Arizona, you could check out The Titan Missile Museum as well as the not-so-successful Biosphere 2
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Atomic tourism
If you're into atomic tourism then the Sedan Crater is much more impressive than Trinity test site. The Titan Museum is also said to be very interesting.
Another spooky monument to technology (not atomic) is the Airplane Graveyard near Tucson. -
BFC: What inaccuracies?Adaere says: "Bowling for Columbine" wasn't a documentary, it was a mockumentary like "This is Spinal Tap".
Lots of people have been criticizing Moore without having their own facts straight. A good example is this article, which is quoted in the one you mentioned above. It attempts to demonstrate inaccuracies in the movie "Bowling For Columbine" (BFC), saying "we've found Moore's facts a little slippery". In reality, it looks like the "facts" of the people criticizing Moore and BFC are just as "slippery" as anything in the movie:
Claim 1: It was commonly reported that the Klebold and Harris went to their bowling class before their attack. Forbes author Daniel Lyons says "Cool story, but police say it's not true. They say the shooters skipped their bowling class that day."
Truth: unknown, but more likely that they were there
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CNN says: " Police said that, in fact, the two went bowling before they headed for school to launch the attack."
Hmmmm.....Forbes vs. CNN make contradictory claims about what the police say. Neither neither lists a direct quote from a named source within the police department, so we can't be certain which one is correct...I suppose we'll have to see what other students in the bowling class say.- Jenni LaPlante, 18, said one of the suspected shooters was calm Tuesday morning at a beforeschool bowling class.
- Six hours before they opened fire [...] Senior Dustin Harrison said they showed up bright and cheerful for the 6:30 a.m. session, and he laughed and joked with both of them.
- Tuesday, Harris, Klebold and another friend missed their 6:30 a.m. bowling class at Englewood's AMF Belleview Lanes. "You always kind of noticed them," said 17-year-old John Hause
Dustin Harrison says both were there. Jenni LaPlante says one was calm, so we know she believed one to be there. (Nothing is said about the other.) John Hause says they missed the class, but he bases this on the fact that he didn't notice them, but he may have missed them if they "were calm" instead of behaving normally; i.e. if they weren't disrupting class with nazi salutes like they often did, he may not have noticed them. We can't say what the police think with any certainty, because we don't have accurate quotes. However, it looks like some of their class thought they were there, and there's a logical reason why the one person quoted as saying they were not may have been wrong. The only way to know for certain is to check the class attendance sheet, but more people are saying they were there than not. I'd say BFC is on solid ground.
Claim 2: Lockheed Martin's plant in Littleton doesn't make weapons. It makes space launch vehicles for TV satellites.
Truth: Moore was not standing in front of a weapon, but that plant does have a history of producing them
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The martin plant in littleton was founded as a defense plant, and is where the titan family of missiles were built . The Titan II is "the largest Inter-Continental Ballistic Missile (ICBM) ever developed by the United States.". In 1998, the Littleton plant recieved $550,889,415 of airforce money for continued booster procurement and assembly; three ship sets of solid rocket motor upgrades, spares, and liquid rocket engine quartz skirts for the Ti