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Yea, the DNC appears to be attempting to destabilize the West just like Russia wants. Maybe they should stop taking orders from Putin?

Actually, the evidence I have seen suggests they are taking orders from Poroshenko.

"DNC denies working with Ukrainian government, but contractor floated anti-Trump material"
https://edition.cnn.com/2017/0...

"Robert Mueller’s ’13 Russian trolls indictment’ is a COPY + PASTE job from 2015 Ukrainian Radio Free Europe post"
http://theduran.com/busted-rob...

Oh, and for good measure:

"Exclusive! Yanks To The Rescue. The Secret Story Of How American Advisers Helped Yeltsin Win"
https://img.timeinc.net/time/m...

'Victoria Nuland Admits: US Has Invested $5 Billion In The Development of Ukrainian "Democratic Institutions"'
http://www.informationclearing...

And:

"When Will the US Stop Organizing Foreign Coups?"
https://russia-insider.com/en/...

"Here's the short list of U.S.-backed coups over just the past seven-plus decades . . .

        Syria 1949.
        Guatemala 1954.
        Tibet 1955-1970s.
        Indonesia 1958.Cuba 1959.
        Iraq 1960-1963.
        Democratic Republic of the Congo 1960-1965.
        Dominican Republic 1962.
        Iran 1963.
        Guatemala 1963.
        South Vietnam 1963.
        Brazil 1964.
        Ghana 1966.
        Chile 1970-1973.
        Argentina 1976.
        Afghanistan 1979-1989.
        Turkey 1980.
        Poland 1980-1989.
        Ecuador 1981.
        Panama 1981.
        Nicaragua 1981-1990.
        Grenada 1983.
        Haiti 1991.
        Iraq 1992-1996.
        Venezuela 2002.
        Haiti 2004.
        Iran 2005-present.
        Honduras 2009.
        Libya 2011.
        Syria 2012-present.
        Ukraine 2014.

"Moreover, it's no secret that we're at it again right now with Venezuela, and a poorly-kept secret that Russia, Ecuador, Uruguay, Bolivia, probably another shot at Cuba, and recently added Kyrgyzstan, are also in the queue".

Spies in 2012-2014 caught trying to recruit US... They went around New York developers offering lucrative Moscow property deals in exchange for getting sanctions lifted against Russia.

That's damned odd, since the sanctions were only imposed in 2014 and later. Did those guys have precognition, or what?

Moreover, the Russian government has never had the slightest motive to try to get sanctions lifted. They have done Europe a lot of economic harm - tens or hundreds of billions worth - and Russia a great deal of good. (Had you noticed that Russia, not the USA, is now the world's leading exporter of wheat? And safe, healthy wheat - not the GM muck the USA produces).

https://russia-insider.com/sit...

Of course it's no skin off Uncle Sam's nose if Europe suffers economic harm. (As, for instance, by buying expensive American LNG instead of cheap Russian gas from a pipeline - while the USA itself, breathtakingly, is buying the cheap Russian stuff). In fact, it's seen as a positive secondary benefit.

The big idea is to keep Russia from cooperating with Europe - especially Germany - to their mutual advantage. It's quite amusing to kibitz and wonder how long the Germans will go on hurting themselves to gratify Washington before they finally start asking, "Why are we actually doing this?" Surely there are limits to the joy of masochism...

Why you so mad at Ivan? I bet I know!

full article: http://russia-insider.com/en/o...

That's cute, but have you heard about Russian propaganda about the US?

No, I haven't. What I have seen is a good deal of truthful facts and opinion about the US government and its policies. Some of it comes from Russia, some from Europe, some from the UK, Australia and Canada - and quite a lot of it comes from the USA itself.

Read the following (or as much of it as you can absorb) and see if what you learn is a little different from what the mainstream media are telling their audiences day after day.

http://russia-insider.com/en/o...
http://russia-insider.com/en/p...
http://www.strategic-culture.o...
http://www.paulcraigroberts.or...
http://awdnews.com/top-news/ru...
https://www.rt.com/news/387798...
http://michael-hudson.com/2017...
http://russia-insider.com/en/p...
http://kunstler.com/clusterfuc...
https://thearchdruidreport.blo...
https://irrussianality.wordpre...
http://johnhelmer.net/malaysia...
https://irrussianality.wordpre...

That's cute, but have you heard about Russian propaganda about the US?

No, I haven't. What I have seen is a good deal of truthful facts and opinion about the US government and its policies. Some of it comes from Russia, some from Europe, some from the UK, Australia and Canada - and quite a lot of it comes from the USA itself.

Read the following (or as much of it as you can absorb) and see if what you learn is a little different from what the mainstream media are telling their audiences day after day.

http://russia-insider.com/en/o...
http://russia-insider.com/en/p...
http://www.strategic-culture.o...
http://www.paulcraigroberts.or...
http://awdnews.com/top-news/ru...
https://www.rt.com/news/387798...
http://michael-hudson.com/2017...
http://russia-insider.com/en/p...
http://kunstler.com/clusterfuc...
https://thearchdruidreport.blo...
https://irrussianality.wordpre...
http://johnhelmer.net/malaysia...
https://irrussianality.wordpre...

That's cute, but have you heard about Russian propaganda about the US?

No, I haven't. What I have seen is a good deal of truthful facts and opinion about the US government and its policies. Some of it comes from Russia, some from Europe, some from the UK, Australia and Canada - and quite a lot of it comes from the USA itself.

Read the following (or as much of it as you can absorb) and see if what you learn is a little different from what the mainstream media are telling their audiences day after day.

http://russia-insider.com/en/o...
http://russia-insider.com/en/p...
http://www.strategic-culture.o...
http://www.paulcraigroberts.or...
http://awdnews.com/top-news/ru...
https://www.rt.com/news/387798...
http://michael-hudson.com/2017...
http://russia-insider.com/en/p...
http://kunstler.com/clusterfuc...
https://thearchdruidreport.blo...
https://irrussianality.wordpre...
http://johnhelmer.net/malaysia...
https://irrussianality.wordpre...

I don't usually read "The Daily Beast", and a quick scan of TFA confirms the wisdom of that choice. I have better things to do than waste time incredulously reading sentence after sentence of rancid, vicious libel - which is transparently fictional. Two issues are touched on, MH17 and the Su-24. (The whole idea that social media can provide any reliable evidence in such matters is, like everything else "The Daily Beast" publishes, obviously ridiculous).

1. The salient facts about MH17 are that, whereas most airliner crashes are investigated within a few months and comprehensive reports published, nearly two years after the MH17 crash no satisfactory report has been published. The only really indisputable fact is that the disaster happened over the territory of Ukraine, which is therefore responsible until proof is given of some other agency. The Ukrainian authorities failed to close the airspace, although they knew it was dangerous; they claim that both their civil and military radars were switched off at the time (completely unbelievable); and they immediately blamed Russia within minutes of the crash, although they could not possibly have had any hard evidence so soon. (Especially without any working radars). Further, the US government immediately claimed that "the Russians did it" and that there was a whole mass of evidence; yet to this day they have not published a single scrap of that evidence. Satellite images would be a good start - it is known that US satellites were in position to see everything that happened. The only conceivable reason why that imagery has not been published is that it contradicts the official US/Ukrainian story. Whether MH17 was shot down by a SAM or by air-to-air missiles fired from a fighter, or by cannon fire, or some combination of these, has not been determined. Whichever was the case, the facts strongly suggest Ukrainian agency rather than the Russians or the Donbass militias, as it was directly contrary to their interests. The Ukrainian regime, on the other hand, systematically lies and continually engages in self-destructive behaviour.

2. The salient facts about the Su-24 assassination are that the Russian aircraft encroached on Turkish airspace for only a few seconds (if at all); that the F-16 that shot it down came from an airbase over an hour's flight away, so it must have been refuelled in the air and loitered waiting for the Su-24; and that the accurate interception and engagement, without the use of the F-16's attack radar, prove that NATO radar systems must have vectored it in. Nothing else is really important, although it could be mentioned that Turkish military aircraft regularly encroach far more severely on the air space of Syria and Greece; and that the Russian aircraft was attacking murderous Takfiri terrorists, proving that Turkey shot it down in order to protect those terrorists, who are its (and the USA's) creatures.

Anyone who is interested in getting at the truth might care to look at the following two articles (out of hundreds that I could cite):

http://russia-insider.com/en/t...
http://russia-insider.com/en/s...

I don't usually read "The Daily Beast", and a quick scan of TFA confirms the wisdom of that choice. I have better things to do than waste time incredulously reading sentence after sentence of rancid, vicious libel - which is transparently fictional. Two issues are touched on, MH17 and the Su-24. (The whole idea that social media can provide any reliable evidence in such matters is, like everything else "The Daily Beast" publishes, obviously ridiculous).

1. The salient facts about MH17 are that, whereas most airliner crashes are investigated within a few months and comprehensive reports published, nearly two years after the MH17 crash no satisfactory report has been published. The only really indisputable fact is that the disaster happened over the territory of Ukraine, which is therefore responsible until proof is given of some other agency. The Ukrainian authorities failed to close the airspace, although they knew it was dangerous; they claim that both their civil and military radars were switched off at the time (completely unbelievable); and they immediately blamed Russia within minutes of the crash, although they could not possibly have had any hard evidence so soon. (Especially without any working radars). Further, the US government immediately claimed that "the Russians did it" and that there was a whole mass of evidence; yet to this day they have not published a single scrap of that evidence. Satellite images would be a good start - it is known that US satellites were in position to see everything that happened. The only conceivable reason why that imagery has not been published is that it contradicts the official US/Ukrainian story. Whether MH17 was shot down by a SAM or by air-to-air missiles fired from a fighter, or by cannon fire, or some combination of these, has not been determined. Whichever was the case, the facts strongly suggest Ukrainian agency rather than the Russians or the Donbass militias, as it was directly contrary to their interests. The Ukrainian regime, on the other hand, systematically lies and continually engages in self-destructive behaviour.

2. The salient facts about the Su-24 assassination are that the Russian aircraft encroached on Turkish airspace for only a few seconds (if at all); that the F-16 that shot it down came from an airbase over an hour's flight away, so it must have been refuelled in the air and loitered waiting for the Su-24; and that the accurate interception and engagement, without the use of the F-16's attack radar, prove that NATO radar systems must have vectored it in. Nothing else is really important, although it could be mentioned that Turkish military aircraft regularly encroach far more severely on the air space of Syria and Greece; and that the Russian aircraft was attacking murderous Takfiri terrorists, proving that Turkey shot it down in order to protect those terrorists, who are its (and the USA's) creatures.

Anyone who is interested in getting at the truth might care to look at the following two articles (out of hundreds that I could cite):

http://russia-insider.com/en/t...
http://russia-insider.com/en/s...

Stupid Americans fooled again, every 4 years

The coin toss is just a typical media misdirection, the real story is in the voting machine fraud and the vote count fraud.

Those who understand how the world really works knows The Rothschilds has already picked Clinton (see cover of the 2016 January edition of The Economist).

Clinton voter fraud in Polk County, Iowa Caucus
Voter Fraud and 'Missing' Precincts: How Clinton Stole Iowa

Caucus chair and Clinton precinct captain do not conduct actual count of Clinton supporters and deliberately mislead caucus

Imagine how many other precincts used similar tactics. The fact that even C-SPAN calls it outright voter fraud should leave Americans with no illusions: The Democratic nominee has already been chosen.

But wait, it gets worse:

        Sanders's camp says that the Iowa Democratic Party has informed the campaigns that the caucus results from 90 precincts are missing.
        â" John Wagner (@WPJohnWagner)
        February 2, 2016

That's right: Caucus results from 90 precincts are missing. Clinton is certainly talented at misplacing/deleting things that she doesn't want people to read.

Hillary Clinton receives $200,000/hour to speak to Goldman Sachs behind closed doors (and no transcripts of what she says are allowed, of course). Do you really think this election hasn't already been bought and paid for?

"Democracy" is fun.

The coin toss is just a typical media misdirection, the real story is in the voting machine fraud and the vote count fraud.

Those who understand how the world really works knows The Rothschilds has already picked Clinton (see cover of the 2016 January edition of The Economist).

Clinton voter fraud in Polk County, Iowa Caucus
Voter Fraud and 'Missing' Precincts: How Clinton Stole Iowa

Caucus chair and Clinton precinct captain do not conduct actual count of Clinton supporters and deliberately mislead caucus

Imagine how many other precincts used similar tactics. The fact that even C-SPAN calls it outright voter fraud should leave Americans with no illusions: The Democratic nominee has already been chosen.

But wait, it gets worse:

        Sanders's camp says that the Iowa Democratic Party has informed the campaigns that the caucus results from 90 precincts are missing.
        â" John Wagner (@WPJohnWagner)
        February 2, 2016

That's right: Caucus results from 90 precincts are missing. Clinton is certainly talented at misplacing/deleting things that she doesn't want people to read.

Hillary Clinton receives $200,000/hour to speak to Goldman Sachs behind closed doors (and no transcripts of what she says are allowed, of course). Do you really think this election hasn't already been bought and paid for?

"Democracy" is fun.

The coin toss is just a typical media misdirection, the real story is in the voting machine fraud and the vote count fraud.

Those who understand how the world really works knows The Rothschilds has already picked Clinton (see cover of the 2016 January edition of The Economist).

Clinton voter fraud in Polk County, Iowa Caucus
Voter Fraud and 'Missing' Precincts: How Clinton Stole Iowa

Caucus chair and Clinton precinct captain do not conduct actual count of Clinton supporters and deliberately mislead caucus

Imagine how many other precincts used similar tactics. The fact that even C-SPAN calls it outright voter fraud should leave Americans with no illusions: The Democratic nominee has already been chosen.

But wait, it gets worse:

        Sanders's camp says that the Iowa Democratic Party has informed the campaigns that the caucus results from 90 precincts are missing.
        â" John Wagner (@WPJohnWagner)
        February 2, 2016

That's right: Caucus results from 90 precincts are missing. Clinton is certainly talented at misplacing/deleting things that she doesn't want people to read.

Hillary Clinton receives $200,000/hour to speak to Goldman Sachs behind closed doors (and no transcripts of what she says are allowed, of course). Do you really think this election hasn't already been bought and paid for?

"Democracy" is fun.

The coin toss is just a typical media misdirection, the real story is in the voting machine fraud and the vote count fraud.

Those who understand how the world really works knows The Rothschilds has already picked Clinton (see cover of the 2016 January edition of The Economist).

Clinton voter fraud in Polk County, Iowa Caucus
Voter Fraud and 'Missing' Precincts: How Clinton Stole Iowa

Caucus chair and Clinton precinct captain do not conduct actual count of Clinton supporters and deliberately mislead caucus

Imagine how many other precincts used similar tactics. The fact that even C-SPAN calls it outright voter fraud should leave Americans with no illusions: The Democratic nominee has already been chosen.

But wait, it gets worse:

        Sanders's camp says that the Iowa Democratic Party has informed the campaigns that the caucus results from 90 precincts are missing.
        â" John Wagner (@WPJohnWagner)
        February 2, 2016

That's right: Caucus results from 90 precincts are missing. Clinton is certainly talented at misplacing/deleting things that she doesn't want people to read.

Hillary Clinton receives $200,000/hour to speak to Goldman Sachs behind closed doors (and no transcripts of what she says are allowed, of course). Do you really think this election hasn't already been bought and paid for?

"Democracy" is fun.

The coin toss is just a typical media misdirection, the real story is in the voting machine fraud and the vote count fraud.

Those who understand how the world really works knows The Rothschilds has already picked Clinton (see cover of the 2016 January edition of The Economist).

Clinton voter fraud in Polk County, Iowa Caucus
Voter Fraud and 'Missing' Precincts: How Clinton Stole Iowa

Caucus chair and Clinton precinct captain do not conduct actual count of Clinton supporters and deliberately mislead caucus

Imagine how many other precincts used similar tactics. The fact that even C-SPAN calls it outright voter fraud should leave Americans with no illusions: The Democratic nominee has already been chosen.

But wait, it gets worse:

        Sanders's camp says that the Iowa Democratic Party has informed the campaigns that the caucus results from 90 precincts are missing.
        â" John Wagner (@WPJohnWagner)
        February 2, 2016

That's right: Caucus results from 90 precincts are missing. Clinton is certainly talented at misplacing/deleting things that she doesn't want people to read.

Hillary Clinton receives $200,000/hour to speak to Goldman Sachs behind closed doors (and no transcripts of what she says are allowed, of course). Do you really think this election hasn't already been bought and paid for?

"Democracy" is fun.

The coin toss is just a typical media misdirection, the real story is in the voting machine fraud and the vote count fraud.

Those who understand how the world really works knows The Rothschilds has already picked Clinton (see cover of the 2016 Januaray editions of the Economist).

Clinton voter fraud in Polk County, Iowa Caucus
Voter Fraud and 'Missing' Precincts: How Clinton Stole Iowa

Caucus chair and Clinton precinct captain do not conduct actual count of Clinton supporters and deliberately mislead caucus

Imagine how many other precincts used similar tactics. The fact that even C-SPAN calls it outright voter fraud should leave Americans with no illusions: The Democratic nominee has already been chosen.

But wait, it gets worse:

        Sanders's camp says that the Iowa Democratic Party has informed the campaigns that the caucus results from 90 precincts are missing.
        â" John Wagner (@WPJohnWagner)
        February 2, 2016

That's right: Caucus results from 90 precincts are missing. Clinton is certainly talented at misplacing/deleting things that she doesn't want people to read.

Hillary Clinton receives $200,000/hour to speak to Goldman Sachs behind closed doors (and no transcripts of what she says are allowed, of course). Do you really think this election hasn't already been bought and paid for?

"Democracy" is fun.

the situations are very different.

You think so? consider this, for instance. And this too. And this. No appeasement? Hardly. You just don't see it in the news. You'll read more about it in the histories when this behavior is revealed as part of the present diplomatic pattern, and what it led to is in the rear view mirror. Just as we did with Nazi Germany.

It's a shell game. Nothing is quite what it seems, and sure as little green apple seeds make little green apples, no one is eager to tell the public what is actually going on.