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Re:thanks for the insights
You're welcome. Thanks for the comment. I've been refining the message. I hope the meme continues to propagate and others adapt it for local circumstances and their own unique style. James P. Hogan's Voyage From Yesteryear is one big source of that meme for me. Marcine Quenzer was influential too:
http://www.marcinequenzer.com/creation.htm#The%20Field%20of%20Plenty
As was Doug Lisle:
http://www.healthpromoting.com/Articles/articles/PleasureTrap.htm
And others (Gerry Pournelle to an extent with his "Survival with Style" essay, lots of other writers with a bit here and there, including Theodore Sturgeon and "The Skills of Xanadu"). So I'm just standing on the shoulders of giants.BTW, if you like Edgar Cayce, how do you feel about Herbert Shelton, Joel Fuhrman, and Blue Zones?
http://www.soilandhealth.org/02/0201hyglibcat/shelton.bio.bidwell.htm
http://www.drfuhrman.com/library/foodpyramid.aspx
http://www.bluezones.com/The Flexner Report (by Abraham Flexner, in conjunction with the Rockefeller and Carnegie Foundations) is where things really started to go wrong with US medicine, as someone with success doing hands-on stuff with K-12 education tried to apply it to medicine where it was less appropriate since prevention, infrastructure, and complex psychology/spiritual issues are more important for wellness:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flexner_Report
Ironically, now we have hands-on treatment focused medicine, and abstraction-oriented K-12, mostly just the opposite of how it should be...More on that from one perspective:
http://www.sntp.net/fda/piper_griffin.htm
"In the meantime, while doctors are forced to spend hundreds of hours studying the names and actions of all kinds of man-made drugs, they are lucky if they receive even a portion of a single course on basic nutrition. Many have none at all. The result is that the average doctor's wife or secretary knows more about practical nutrition than he does."More on how medical and other research has gone wrong in the USA (another post I made to this story):
http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1964112&cid=34989572If this cold fusion thing does work out (or even if it does not), these issues may help explain why it (as well as alternative medicine) encountered so much resistance. Still, I hope things may have improved somewhat from the days of Ignaz Semmelweis:
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Re:Ritalin
That would mean you're female?
Nope. Trolling here again. Sad. I'll settle a few things for the audience before I move on.
You are stating the obvious.
Yep, it had to be stated, since you were apparently overlooking it.
No I wasn't.
Oh, and btw, Ritalin and amphetamines are both schedule II drugs.
Your dishonesty astounds me. Ritalin was only classified as a schedule II drug in the 1970s do to the think-of-the-children congressional pressure. (Ref. http://www.sntp.net/ritalin/time_bomb.htm)
Saying that two substances that are chemically somewhat similar but have different mechanisms of action are "chemically almost identical" is pushing it a little. Is nicotine also "chemically almost identical" to amphetamines? It also increases the amount of dopamine in the brain.
You are pushing the bullshit factor too much here. Let's face it, you were lying by stating that Ritalin and amphetamine are completely different. I was thinking maybe you were just being ignorant, but you seem to be more interested in "testing" me out.
At any rate, you are a Troll (and letting everybody know this) and I'm not going to waste any more of my time with you.
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Re:They don't know math?Scientologists are against Psychiartry Hmmm. You write like the "Psichiatry" guy just a few posts above you.
Your post is bogus and here is a better description of what psychology is: http://www.sntp.net/psychology_definition.htm
In the USA, it's the psychologist who tells you that you are remedially stupid and incapable of learning, then passes you to a psychiatrist to dose you full of meds until you go crazy and start shooting up the school. -
Quotable quoteFrom this article again:
The German philosopher Johann Fichte was a key contributor to the formation of the German school system. It was Fichte who said that the schools "must fashion the person, and fashion him in such a way that he simply cannot will otherwise than what you wish him to will." [...goes on to quote JTG, see my tagline...] A small number of very passionate American ideological leaders visited Prussia in the first half of the 19th century; fell in love with the order, obedience, and efficiency of its education system; and campaigned relentlessly thereafter to bring the Prussian vision to these shores. Prussia's ultimate goal was to unify Germany; the Americans' was to mold hordes of immigrant Catholics to a national consensus based on a northern European cultural model. To do that, children would have to be removed from their parents and from [<finger-quote>]inappropriate[</finger-quote>
It all sounds very Microsoft. Is that compatibility? -
Dang, and I had mod points yesterday!
the sole purpose of education is to train everyone to do what everyone else is doing, exactly the way they've always done it, forever!
You came that close. (-: -
Re:Ok but first...I'm sure you're right. I can't help but feel it is yet another chemical cop-out for those with social disorders. Almost no cases of ADHD were diagnosed anywhere else in the world until the big American pharmaceutical companies starting pushing it on doctors. I am not aware of any clear medical evidence that ADHD even exists. As usual, the response is (as you say) to drug the kids, therefore taking responsibility away from those with the problem and putting the responsibility on the drug to "fix" them. Very much in the same way as Prozac and depression. Anyway, if the problem IS real, how is masking the symptoms with drugs actually going to fix the problem? It isn't. Yes, those on drugs such as Ritalin may go through some behavioural changes whilst under the influence of the drug, but where is the research determining the factors that start this hypothetical illness in the first place, and why isn't that the target of treatment?
When you have a look at some of the so-called research into ADHD out there, especially concerning how Ritalin actually works on the human body, look closely and you will notice a lot of ambiguous words used, such as "may" and "could", instead of clearly defined (and met) goals. This is an excerpt from the Clinical Trials listing service regarding FDA approval of the drug. This is thier scientific explanation of how Ritalin works:
Ritalin LA (methylphenidate HCl) is a central nervous system stimulant. The exact mechanism of action in ADHD is unknown. The drug is thought to block the reuptake of norepinephrine and dopamine into the presynaptic neuron and increase the release of these monoamines into the extraneuronal space.(Emphasis mine)
I don't know about you, but it's a little scary to me that so many people are jumping on the Ritalin bandwagon when there is still so little known about ADHD, or perhaps even more importantly, even less known about the drugs used to treat that particular behaviour.
Some reading that doesn't give ADHD and Ritalin the glowing report it recieves from the pharm industry:
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Re:my school uses that..
No, primary and secondary schools are designed to shift responsibilities for children off of the parents' backs, so they have someone else to blame when their child doesn't turn out to be Superman and/or Wonderwoman.
See, and I always thought that they were designed to produce a labor force to catapult your 19th-century backwater kingdom into an early 20th-century industrial power. That, and keep teenagers out of the labor forse.