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"2) Most snipers in the Middle East use an ak-47s with a scope"
"I don't know about the rest of the middle east, but most of the insurgent snipers that have been captured in Iraq use Dragunov SVDs: http://www.sovietarmy.com/small_arms/svd.html"

"2) Most snipers in the Middle East use an ak-47s with a scope"

I don't know about the rest of the middle east, but most of the insurgent snipers that have been captured in Iraq use Dragunov SVDs:
http://www.sovietarmy.com/small_arms/svd.html

At least as far as I can tell:
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&safe=off&c2 coff=1&q=dragunov+iraq

You mock him, but typo or not, an AK-74 is an actual weapon. It's basically an AK-47 rechambered and rebored to 5.45x39mm. Link.

Yes indeed, but crowbars don't kill at a distance. As it is with knives, it takes much more effort to kill someone at close range. In a gunless society, it's a rare burglar that resorts to lethal force unless provoked. Losing some of your property is a non-issue anyway.

I want legal access to the same weapons and tools to which criminals have illegal access.

But doesn't that mean access to every conceivable weapon? Surely you're not advocating that a citizen should be allowed to own M249s or PKs, for instance?

"you're quoting fictitious websites!"

Name the website I'm quoting from which is "fictitious".

"And the website you linked to has never heard of the guns you claim it has--a pathetic bald faced lie!"

Name a single website I have linked to which "has never heard of...".

"Armalite makes an AR-15, not an AR-16, as you repeatedly claim. "

They do not currently product the AR-16, but it was designed and built. Here is the picture of the AR-16, hosted on Armalite's website, and here is the website on which you can find details of the AR-16's design down about 2/3 of the page.

"And you got the caliber wrong, its .223, not 7.62."

So you're trying to correct me on the calibre of a weapon which you claim does not exist? That's just classic. If you'll read the site I just posted from Armalite's site, you'll see the following line quoted: "The folding stock equipped AR-16 is a basic infantry rifle of 7.62mm NATO caliber".

And I guess you're also admitting that you were wrong about the AKS-74. Don't worry about my facts, I check them before I post them. If you want the site with the AKS-74 info, here it is. Just goes to show that you're so confused about the facts, your conclusions can't possibly have any bearing on reality.

"Oh, and I notice you repeated your claim that these "assault weapons" magically kill dozens of nearby people... but refused to give a difference between them an "hunting rifles"."

How about we ask the manufacturer of the weapon whether it's designed as an infantry assault weapon or a hunting weapon? How about we ban automatic weapons outright, because I've never seen a hunter say, "gee, I could have brought down that deer if only I had a gun capable of firing 600 rounds per minute".

"Fact of the matter is, there is no functional difference between a hunting rifle and an assault weapon."

So then you're now claiming that since the ban on assault weapons took effect, there hasn't been another hunter in the United States? No one has been able to go hunting since 1994? Or is it maybe that the ban on assault weapons somehow managed to distinguish between them and hunting rifles?

"You avoid this fact because it proves my case-- you just want to ban guns"

I do not want to ban weapons used for personal defense or hunting. I do want to ban automatic weapons, assault rifles, RPGs, and other such devices of mass death. I absolutely believe ever person is entitled to own a handgun or a hunting rifle if they so choose. I do not think that individuals should have access to weapons which could be used to wipe out an office building full of co-wokers. You seem to think that if everyone had an assault rifle at the ready, the world would be this magically peaceful place. You think that no bullets ever go astray and that every attack can be prevented if everyone were armed to the teeth. You seem to believe that no one would fire a weapon with malicious intent. And you further seem to believe that it is your god-given right to possess and use the most deadly weapons man has ever created.

The real fact in this case is that you are unable to provide any reason why anyone would need something beyond a hunting rifle or a hand gun. You are unable to tell me why you, or anyone else needs an AR-15, an AK-74, or anything like it. You're unable to tell me where you stand on where peoples' limits should rest when it comes to their possession of 'arms'.

You continue to avoid my question regarding where the right to bear arms ends. I will quote my question once again below, and will go no further in this discussion unless and until you answer it:

"You say that arms control is unconstitutional. Now you say that som

The AK-74

The AK-47

The heartbreak of being a tard.

The AK-74

The AK-47

The heartbreak of being a tard.

The AK-47 was obsoleted in 1961, and it was a standard 7.61mm weapon. You are probably thinking about AK-74, which (as the year suggests) was a USSR's response to M-16 (after the M-16 had shown itself as a worthy weapon). In any case, AK-74 is not a high rate of fire weapon (10 rounds per minute), there are plenty of special purpose weapons with much higher performance. This one was developed for a foot soldier. See here .