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While CDN50$ is the highest price, big companies as well as small ones are only charging CDN30$ (somes charges a 10$ modem location fee). This bring DSL connections to US20$. The Bell sympatico service is the biggest DSL provider in canada. See for yourself : at http:/ / bel l.sympatico.ca/DynamicContentServlet.dyn?/english/ home.html?s=1

It concerns people a lot more when people actually use real firearms.

My little brother shoots at sniper matches. Um, I mean "Precision Rifle" matches. Gotta be politically correct about that...

The cool part is that he's gotten to lug machine guns onto international flights to go to competitions... Not quite artillery, but close enough! Suffice it to say that security in London, England tends to find it a mite interesting when they find 18 guys with 50 machine guns :-).

National matches are also pretty entertaining; the guys on the national team are required to be heavily armed in order to protect the truck full of even bigger guns that they're driving to the tournament...

If they were open source, people who wanted to make it work for other systems would be able to do so.

Right now, MS can 'fork' their code anytime they want to. Take, for example, when word '97 (I think) came out. It was incompatible with earlier versions, and they (willfully, I think) didn't have a module that allowed users to save in the old format. As a result any company which bought the newest version for any of their machines was forced to buy it for all of their machines. If it were open source, people would have just fixed the problem and released it.

This might have created a fork, but it would have been a more usable fork. Users would have then had a choice.

As it is, with closed source, it's like Mr. Ford's "freedom" with respect to the Model T.

"You can have any color you want, as long as it's black:

I think that Stallman's attitude could be summerized as:
"The road to hell is paved with good intentions"

If Tyberghein had refused to release the NDA driver, somebody else might have been called to reverse engineer the API. Once that was done, people would have been able to create a completely free piece of software. It would have also made it easier to do similar work on other console systems.

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I'd like to point out here that the Open Source road was blazed by Free Source. If there was no committment to Free Source, there would have been no reason for the Gnu Project. -- I mean, why re-invent the wheel?? C compilers, grep, awk the shell, syslogd et. al. already existed. You could even get the source! All you had to do was pay $20K and sign an NDA with AT&T.

Luckily, there were some radicals out there who insisted that the source code should be Free, so when Linus wrote his kernel, he had access to the rest of a Unix look-alike.

As he said in the C't interview
Torvalds: I do not believe that there is a special point there. It's never been an individual project. Right at the start, for example, I was provided with all of the [[Gnu]] applications. Beyond my additional work on the Kernel - I already had parts of [[like?]] the shell, the compiler and the libraries. .....

I think that his biggest peeve is when people (try to) blurr the distinctions between the two.
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Torvalds: One fundamental difficulty is not at all technical, but comes from the fact that most people do not want to beta test a new Kernel. If they abandon Kernel 2.2, it could end up causing new problems.)) Why should they try a test kernel out?

was: They are not content with the Kernel 2,2, have their own problems.
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When I get the second half translated, I'll put it up here (there's a [currently broken] link at the end of the first page)
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When I get the second half translated, I'll put it up here (there's a [currently broken] link at the end of the first page)
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Also see Daryl Bender and Ottawa Canada's page, where Darly and Ottawa explain other ways to obtain electric motors.

http://bell.sympatico.ca/DynamicContentServlet.dyn ?/english/hse/faq.html#q18

I strongly doubt they would notice... for a while. As soon as cash is involved I think the whole system may break down.

Another thought which occurred to me is that it would be easy to greatly reduce the value of the service by an over-population of servers. If (for example) AOL puts up a gazillion server farms, you or I with our 1Mbps connections and K7-1GHz CPUs won't be able to earn anything from this, and all the information we retrieve will send micropayments to AOL. Getting paid for system resources should ideally offset the cost of the information we request.

On the other hand, success may kill the service, but it would be cool watching it get there. I guess this whole thought could be slain by placing a stipulation in the protocol that no one body can posess more than a certain percentage of the network (or recieve a certain percentage of mojo...).

RASPPPOE is great. I used it while setting up a DSL connected Dell laptop (with a wacky Xircom 56k Modem/Ethernet combo card).
The software that Sympatico gave me was not, of course, playing nice with the Win2k/wierd card setup. RASPPPOE was pretty simple. I just set it to load the connection upon boot, and the rather computer illiterate owner doesn't have to 'maintain the traditional dialup experience' as the PR blurb on PPPOE states.

Check out your subscriber's agreements while reading this post. I think you'll find the following:

* No tech support for any sofwtare except what they provide you

* Requirement to use their HTTP proxy servers (which are probably sitting on OC3s or better) and their blocking or redirecting outbound port 80

* No servers allowed (but you should expect that from end user service)

* Telco owned or cable company owned hardware (You can't buy a DSL adapter you can keep)

> one should either take a literal interpretation of Genesis

Oh really? What does Gen 2:17 say?

Now since Adam did not literally die in the 24 hours that he ate the forbidden fruit, that means, that one must NOT take a literal interpretation.

Do yourself a favor, buy a Interlinear Bible, and READ IT. You'll be amazed at how many words are just plain translated badly.

The history of computers is an interesting topic isn't there a project cataloging all the different parts of computer history going on?

There most certainly is! Perhaps you missed the story on the Vintage Computer Festival the other day? There are a lot of people involved in preserving the quickly disappearing history of the computer industry, including myself. Check out some of the others, such as:

• Blinkenlights Archaeological Institute
• The Computer Museum of America
• Retro-Computing Society of Rhode Island
• The San Francisco Computer Museum
• and even the Microsoft Museum

or, for a more international view, try:

• Ullrich von Bassewitz's Collection of Old Computers (Germany)
• Silicium: Le musee de l'informatique (France)
• National Archive for the History of Computing (England)
• Bletchley Park (England)
• Australian Computer Museum Society
• The First Computer Museum of Nova Scotia
• Belgian Microcomputer Museum

For tons more, check out the links page at the Vintage Computer Festival, or better yet, come to the VCF at the end of September and experience history in person!

You can run a server on Bell's HSE. The only thing is they don't offer support for it.

43. If I have a domain name, is it possible to get the IP address associated with that name?
The Bell Sympatico High Speed Edition service does not allow for the hosting of domain names other than the sympatico.ca domain.

That was from their FAQ. I suspect their problem with users hosting their own domains is the following:

41. Can I have a static IP address with the Bell Sympatico High Speed Edition service?
The Bell Sympatico High Speed Edition service uses dynamic IP address allocation only. In the Internet environment where demand is growing at a fast pace, dynamic IP addressing allows for optimum usage of IP addresses.

Funny. dsl.ca lets me rent a static IP for an extra $5/mo.

Now, Bell's service agreement has softened up about servers, because when I did initially look into HSE as an alternative to @Home, they did specifically indicate that you were not allowed to use servers at all. Currently, this is the situation:

Without limiting the foregoing, you agree not to use the Service or any equipment provided in connection with the Service, for operation of an Internet Service Provider's business nor for any other non-residential purpose.

Their Agreement.

That's a lot better than it was when I looked, but one could argue that webserving at home is a non-residential use. (The same way that I like working on cars, but actually working on them at your residence is actually technically illegal in Toronto's zoning laws.) dsl.ca specifically covers "home office" options, perhaps allowing the use of their high speed connection for tasks associated with their small business or self-employment, without having to pay for expensive business-grade DSL.

Again, dsl.ca isn't perfect. But they're a lot more geek-friendly than the other two (three, if you count look.ca's unidirectional service) broadband options.

You can run a server on Bell's HSE. The only thing is they don't offer support for it.

43. If I have a domain name, is it possible to get the IP address associated with that name?
The Bell Sympatico High Speed Edition service does not allow for the hosting of domain names other than the sympatico.ca domain.

That was from their FAQ. I suspect their problem with users hosting their own domains is the following:

41. Can I have a static IP address with the Bell Sympatico High Speed Edition service?
The Bell Sympatico High Speed Edition service uses dynamic IP address allocation only. In the Internet environment where demand is growing at a fast pace, dynamic IP addressing allows for optimum usage of IP addresses.

Funny. dsl.ca lets me rent a static IP for an extra $5/mo.

Now, Bell's service agreement has softened up about servers, because when I did initially look into HSE as an alternative to @Home, they did specifically indicate that you were not allowed to use servers at all. Currently, this is the situation:

Without limiting the foregoing, you agree not to use the Service or any equipment provided in connection with the Service, for operation of an Internet Service Provider's business nor for any other non-residential purpose.

Their Agreement.

That's a lot better than it was when I looked, but one could argue that webserving at home is a non-residential use. (The same way that I like working on cars, but actually working on them at your residence is actually technically illegal in Toronto's zoning laws.) dsl.ca specifically covers "home office" options, perhaps allowing the use of their high speed connection for tasks associated with their small business or self-employment, without having to pay for expensive business-grade DSL.

Again, dsl.ca isn't perfect. But they're a lot more geek-friendly than the other two (three, if you count look.ca's unidirectional service) broadband options.

This wouldn't be newsworthy here in Canada; I self-installed my Sympatico High Speed Edition ADSL two years ago!

but I do agree that this will speed up DSL adoption. Now the question is, will the backbones keep up?

With the way you spout off no wonder they took your guns. We try not to let children shoot themselves up here.

As for the oil bit, there's practically a mining company on every street corner in Calgary.

People from Canada: Carrie-Anne Moss, John Candy, etc...
Things from Canada: Penicilin, Canadarm, hockey, basketball, etc...

You have a lot of work to do before you become an entertaining troll.

Remeber, don't post before your morning coffee. You have a spectacular view of the world from the inside of your colon.

--Clay

With the way you spout off no wonder they took your guns. We try not to let children shoot themselves up here.

As for the oil bit, there's practically a mining company on every street corner in Calgary.

People from Canada: Carrie-Anne Moss, John Candy, etc...
Things from Canada: Penicilin, Canadarm, hockey, basketball, etc...

You have a lot of work to do before you become an entertaining troll.

Remeber, don't post before your morning coffee. You have a spectacular view of the world from the inside of your colon.

--Clay

but I LOVE her pout in DSC_0278.JPG

Btw: Is her maid of honor spoken for? (Yeah, she's a bit too far away for my liking, but she is gorgeous.)
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but I LOVE her pout in DSC_0278.JPG

Btw: Is her maid of honor spoken for? (Yeah, she's a bit too far away for my liking, but she is gorgeous.)
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but I LOVE her pout in DSC_0278.JPG

Btw: Is her maid of honor spoken for? (Yeah, she's a bit too far away for my liking, but she is gorgeous.)
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but I LOVE her pout in DSC_0278.JPG

Btw: Is her maid of honor spoken for? (Yeah, she's a bit too far away for my liking, but she is gorgeous.)
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but I LOVE her pout in DSC_0278.JPG

Btw: Is her maid of honor spoken for? (Yeah, she's a bit too far away for my liking, but she is gorgeous.)
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but I LOVE her pout in DSC_0278.JPG

Btw: Is her maid of honor spoken for? (Yeah, she's a bit too far away for my liking, but she is gorgeous.)
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but I LOVE her pout in DSC_0278.JPG

Btw: Is her maid of honor spoken for? (Yeah, she's a bit too far away for my liking, but she is gorgeous.)
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Done
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If you're wondering about the size, it is 1/3 size for the larger images. It's also small enough to fit in my web allocation (on two differnt accounts).

If you're wondering about the two different sizes, it looks like they were using two different cameras with two different resolutions.
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Perhaps we need a bit more info... Considering I have found a total lack
there of on his web page. Try here.

There are some people in Ottawa, Canada, doing just that with the schools in the region with varying degrees of success. The project is organized by Milan Budimirovic at milan.budimirovic@sympatico.ca or Dave Neil cricket@storm.ca

More info can be obtained from OCLUG: Ottawa Carleton Linux Users Group

cheers,
El Malo

I'm sorry I gave that impression, as we have both kinds of access available.

For the cable modem users, there's the @Home network, through Rogers and Shaw (depending on who services your area, of course).
For the folks who prefer Telco based, Bell (and now other resellers) is offering what they call Sympatico High Speed Edition, and it's ADSL implemented with the Nortel 1-meg Modem technology, and PPPoE.

I've tried to get both installed, and the @Home installation was pathetic, but I have no respect at all for Rogers anyway, as their TV reception is shit, with frequent snow on channels, and horrible customer service. Bell's tech support is equally bad, with extra long waits on hold for tech support, and flakey PPPoE implementation, but I at least got that on installed in my apartment.

You're right about the wireless being a great solution for Rural Ontario (I've been looking into LookTV for my folks, who live in the boonies and right now only get antenna stuff), but LookTV isn't even out there yet, for the most part. They started out as an alternate to cable in an urban setting, not an alternate to antenna in a rural setting, so they're taking a while to get everywhere in S.Ont. Their high speed net access will roll out just as slowly to the rural areas too. That's the only drawback I can see with them, though. I've only ever heard raves about them.

I hope this makes the S.Ont situation a little more clear. I'm not sure about Satellite PC options, but I believe that the only 2 "legal" satellite providers are ExpressVU and StarChoice, and I don't think they offer Internet access yet.

http://www3.sympatico.ca/cousture/FRAN C2.HTM

Read this page if your not familiar with Quebec french, it is a very good source of information and context. And also the people here from Canada can read and understand why it is different to be Quebecois than Canadian.


-"Vive le Quebec Libre!"
Charles DeGaule en 1967

You can get it here.

It's not awesome by any means, but it serves my purposes just fine. The source is included, so you can make it way cooler if you want.
(BTW, it's a java program, so you'll need to get the runtimes for it, IBM released them for Linux, so you have no excuses now).

Jay,

a book on how to do it.

this should be a book.

A clarification of the first statement: the CRTC does not force Bell, or anyone else, to use PPP over Ethernet to provision third party access to any broadband infrastructure. I know that you didn't say that they did, but there must be no confusion as to what the CRTC's role in this is.

Bell would certainly like you to believe that they were unfairly forced to open up their infrastructure to competitors and that the only way to provision that access was through PPPoE, but it simply isn't true. Basically no one, but Bell themselves, are in favour of provisioning open access via the PPPoE encapsulation- not the CAIP, not the CCTA and certainly not the end-user.

PPPoE is basically alpha, with respect to driver development right now, it's as proprietary as can be, it provides absolutely no benefits for the end-user and, in my own opinion, has no business being in the Sympatico HSE service, in Ontario and Quebec.

From Sympatico HSE FAQ
Can the 1-Meg Modem plug into my existing Ethernet hub?
The 1-Meg Modem is designed to plug into a Network Interface Card (NIC). If you want to have your Sympatico High Speed Edition connection accessible by all computers on your internal network, it is recommended that you obtain a second NIC card for one computer and have it act as a gateway server and route all high speed traffic through that machine. The Sympatico High Speed Edition service will not support or guarantee service for any LAN configurations.
they acknowledge that you CAN ipMASQ, but you're on your own...

Do you restrict any ports?
The Sympatico High Speed Edition service is a proxy-based service. This means that all requests sent over port 80 must go through the Web caching servers. These servers are equipped with technology that maintains copies of popular Web objects closer to you, the Sympatico HSE member. Web Caching significantly speeds up your Internet browsing experience by reducing the use of congested Internet networks and by reducing the number of object downloads from popular Web servers. The Sympatico High Speed Edition service selected this architecture as most suitable for the residential high-speed user. Other than port 80, no other ports have such restrictions.
No problems here -- I hope

Is it possible to create an Internet server using the Sympatico High Speed Edition service?
No. Because of the dynamically assigned IP addressing, the IP addresses will be automatically reassigned at pre-determined intervals. As a result, an Internet server could not be established.
It's not FORBIDDEN, just impractical...
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I live in downtown Toronto, where infrastructure isn't updated as often as in the 'burbs. (Why?) I can wait for ADSL (Bell Sympatico HSE) or I can wait for cable (Rogers @home) or I can get something called Microwave digital right now ( Look/Internet Direct)

I ask this because the TV signal I get right now is a line-of-sight signal provided by Look, and getting the internet stuff requires very little extra hardware. In fact it sounds like the thing mentioned about the Empire State Building. (My transmitter is on the CN Tower)

My question is -- does anybody have any experience with Linux and this kind of stuff? You need a regular modem for the uplink line. The downlink is supposedly 1.5 Mbs, but there are various things about it that suck, such as time limits on connections.

However, it's cheap (C$30/mo) and available now.

We do need some kind of regulation against ISP price fixing or predatory pricing -- but stay off the content!