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"ownership" in trade of free ideasredundant
The LINX debacle affirms the idea that *reputation*, above and beyond human *attention*, is the chief currency in this idea economy. Clearly LinuxOne is getting attention, but of a bitter sort. (then again, press is often measured by quantity, not quality.)
Maybe Dr. Chiou's LINX will do little damage to Linux' reputation. But if he achieves his purpose, even slightly, many might follow suit. Snowball. After all, the "world domination" market is immense, comprising *billions* of newbies. The barrier to entry, as LINX proves, barely exists. Maybe "world partnership" would have been smarter.
Bernardo Huberman concludes that the bigger a system is, the more individuals within it will poach, simply because they can get away with it. Guilt free. The bigger Linux gets, (the way it's currently being financed), the more it may suffer infestation by parasites.
"Money" wants one thing: to maximize its return with minimal effort, and limited liability. "It goes where it's wanted, and stays where it's cared for." Gold rules. The rich get richer, and the poor get, uh.. motivation to get rich.. (and so on, until we reboot "money")
Meanwhile, how do we use yesterday's money to trade today's free ideas? How does open source get monetized? Are there choices?
Are "property"-centered IPO's and stockholder "ownership" the *ideal* way to finance trade in free ideas? Are they the *fairest* of possible arrangements? Are they the *only* kind of financial relationships imaginable? Maybe not.
Could the Open Source principle of "common ownership" conceivably adapt to the structure of a "business relationship"?
Maybe so. "Common ownership" is a key organizing principle of one of the most successful enterprises in history, which incidentally has plenty to do with software, entrepreneurial freedom, ingenuity, trade, globalization and money itself..
VISA defined "ownership" as a nontransferable *right* to participate, and an *obligation* to abide by community-defined terms. Legally, it was structured as a non-stock, for-profit membership corporation. So it can't be bought, sold, traded or raided. No pump, no dump. VISA has grown 20-50%, compounding annually, for over 30 years, past boom, bubble, bear and bust: $1,400,000,000,000 (trillion) in 1998 sales.
Dee Hock, who founded this semi-choard, believes that if "ownership" had been extended to *all* participants (including merchants and cardholders), then it would be *four times* more successful today. It would be truly chaordic.
(So does "common ownership" always mean "Communism"? Maybe not. Meanwhile, das Capital floods into Linux, which is rooted in the freaking GPL.. wierd. Maybe money follows ingenuity, regardless of ideology..)
Why do open licenses like the GPL so attract that most valuable resource, human ingenuity? Common ownership? Promotion of sharing? Trade rooted in ethics? Relief from pricey legal haggling? Rebellion? Civil disobedience? Cooperative advantage? Creative liberty? Maybe it boils down to freedom from restrictions.
"Freedom"? Are you *free* to scream "fire" in a crowded house or to punch the tip of my nose? Kinda.. Dee Hock (after Lao Tzu) claims that in reality, "everything is its opposite". Freedom is a fruit of self-restraint. By forced sharing, the GPL righteously claims to be more "free" than BSD. BSD rabidly disagrees. Considering the LinuxONE problem at hand, is the "GPV" dispute relevant?
Dr. Chiou and company seem to be breaking an *unwritten* community contract. He's free to do so. Any surprise at all, considering recent capital flows to RHAT and LNUX? To equitably and successfully enable monetized, fair, reputable and trustworthy trade in free ideas, maybe alternative contracts (open licenses) need to be written and tried.
No, not like the SCSL (a legal document that claims to create a "chaord". Dubious. Sun is infected with the "responsibility-to-stockholder" virus, which makes it difficult to truly extend equitable ownership to all participants.)
Who knows? What if, in the beginning, Linus added a few fairness enhancing restrictions to the GPL:- Call this OS anything you want, but please include the name "linux" in whatever you call it.
- Please claim to your free subdomain (reputation) in our community-owned, mother-of-all-intranets at http://our.linux.org/dns (eg: va.linux.org = valinux.com etc)
- Let's chaorganize ourselves to free our idea exchange, while forging a commercial agreement to immunize ourselves from free-riders like Dr. Chiou.. This process might take us a year..
Reputation management? What's in a name? Giving credit where credit is due? Patent and Copyright "properties" may perpetuate outdated economic models of scarcity, but Trademarks? Might they grow more valuable as info gluts?
What if the idea that *no one owns linux* switched to the idea that *we own linux*? What if we agreed to restrict abuse of "our" name, (and the values it represents)? Would [insert project "x", eg "linux"] then be better cared for?
These are just questions from an outsider looking in. Point is, a *truly* chaordic (distributed ownership, equitable rewards) community license to develop/use a free software system might enhance the *trust* between all participants, particularly when money enters the mix.
Maybe such an agreement could not be strictly defined as "Free" or "Open Source", (due to the tradename requirement/url verification), but maybe some resulting immunity to commercial parasites is worth that price. Maybe such an agreement could be called "Open Code" (for software *and* organizational code.)
Whatever.. open principles make better software, and they oughta extend to embrace business structures and practices.. which seems like it could happen with this chaordic stuff.. (chaorganization, coincidentally, requires a fundamental reconception of "ownership")
Why beware of VC money? It typically wants us to "acquire" customers, in hopes that shareholders will want to "own" a piece of us. Don't buy it! Pop that bubble! Customers are not "property", and neither are we.
"Ownership" in the chaordic sense will extend freedom (and *trust*) farther faster.
If that's our purpose, how can we then raise enough cash to incorporate our ideas into legal fictions (businesses) which may serve to help us reputably trade our ingenuity? Savings. Loans. Credit Cards. VC royalty financing. URL Bonds? Membership fees. Service contracts. Ad revenues. "Free" products for sale. Faith. Whatever it takes.. but don't sell off a single limb, not even a single digit. Extend ownership to customers, not stock-holders. Serve people. It will prove more profitable.
chaorganize!
[sources: LINX . "attEnTiOn"-NoT . StiG . BiOnOMiCs . CHaOs-is-G00D . PaRtneRsHiP . FrEELoAdiNG . MoNeY . ComMuNiTy-CuRReNcY . iNteLLeCtuAL-VaLuE . RHaT-IpO . AddApT . CHaRacTeRIStiCs-o-ChaORgAniZATiOn . ViSA . DeE-HoCK . CoMMiE-UniTy? . GpL=BiG-BuCk$?? . MiNDcRaFTiNg . EcOnOmY-oF-iDeAs . ETHiCs-of-iP . ScSL . CoOpeRaTiVe-adVaNtaGe . CHaOrDiC-PrOCeSs . wHaT'sa-NaMe? . CrEdiT-DuE? . OPEN-CoDE . ETHiCs :thanks] -
"ownership" in trade of free ideasredundant
The LINX debacle affirms the idea that *reputation*, above and beyond human *attention*, is the chief currency in this idea economy. Clearly LinuxOne is getting attention, but of a bitter sort. (then again, press is often measured by quantity, not quality.)
Maybe Dr. Chiou's LINX will do little damage to Linux' reputation. But if he achieves his purpose, even slightly, many might follow suit. Snowball. After all, the "world domination" market is immense, comprising *billions* of newbies. The barrier to entry, as LINX proves, barely exists. Maybe "world partnership" would have been smarter.
Bernardo Huberman concludes that the bigger a system is, the more individuals within it will poach, simply because they can get away with it. Guilt free. The bigger Linux gets, (the way it's currently being financed), the more it may suffer infestation by parasites.
"Money" wants one thing: to maximize its return with minimal effort, and limited liability. "It goes where it's wanted, and stays where it's cared for." Gold rules. The rich get richer, and the poor get, uh.. motivation to get rich.. (and so on, until we reboot "money")
Meanwhile, how do we use yesterday's money to trade today's free ideas? How does open source get monetized? Are there choices?
Are "property"-centered IPO's and stockholder "ownership" the *ideal* way to finance trade in free ideas? Are they the *fairest* of possible arrangements? Are they the *only* kind of financial relationships imaginable? Maybe not.
Could the Open Source principle of "common ownership" conceivably adapt to the structure of a "business relationship"?
Maybe so. "Common ownership" is a key organizing principle of one of the most successful enterprises in history, which incidentally has plenty to do with software, entrepreneurial freedom, ingenuity, trade, globalization and money itself..
VISA defined "ownership" as a nontransferable *right* to participate, and an *obligation* to abide by community-defined terms. Legally, it was structured as a non-stock, for-profit membership corporation. So it can't be bought, sold, traded or raided. No pump, no dump. VISA has grown 20-50%, compounding annually, for over 30 years, past boom, bubble, bear and bust: $1,400,000,000,000 (trillion) in 1998 sales.
Dee Hock, who founded this semi-choard, believes that if "ownership" had been extended to *all* participants (including merchants and cardholders), then it would be *four times* more successful today. It would be truly chaordic.
(So does "common ownership" always mean "Communism"? Maybe not. Meanwhile, das Capital floods into Linux, which is rooted in the freaking GPL.. wierd. Maybe money follows ingenuity, regardless of ideology..)
Why do open licenses like the GPL so attract that most valuable resource, human ingenuity? Common ownership? Promotion of sharing? Trade rooted in ethics? Relief from pricey legal haggling? Rebellion? Civil disobedience? Cooperative advantage? Creative liberty? Maybe it boils down to freedom from restrictions.
"Freedom"? Are you *free* to scream "fire" in a crowded house or to punch the tip of my nose? Kinda.. Dee Hock (after Lao Tzu) claims that in reality, "everything is its opposite". Freedom is a fruit of self-restraint. By forced sharing, the GPL righteously claims to be more "free" than BSD. BSD rabidly disagrees. Considering the LinuxONE problem at hand, is the "GPV" dispute relevant?
Dr. Chiou and company seem to be breaking an *unwritten* community contract. He's free to do so. Any surprise at all, considering recent capital flows to RHAT and LNUX? To equitably and successfully enable monetized, fair, reputable and trustworthy trade in free ideas, maybe alternative contracts (open licenses) need to be written and tried.
No, not like the SCSL (a legal document that claims to create a "chaord". Dubious. Sun is infected with the "responsibility-to-stockholder" virus, which makes it difficult to truly extend equitable ownership to all participants.)
Who knows? What if, in the beginning, Linus added a few fairness enhancing restrictions to the GPL:- Call this OS anything you want, but please include the name "linux" in whatever you call it.
- Please claim to your free subdomain (reputation) in our community-owned, mother-of-all-intranets at http://our.linux.org/dns (eg: va.linux.org = valinux.com etc)
- Let's chaorganize ourselves to free our idea exchange, while forging a commercial agreement to immunize ourselves from free-riders like Dr. Chiou.. This process might take us a year..
Reputation management? What's in a name? Giving credit where credit is due? Patent and Copyright "properties" may perpetuate outdated economic models of scarcity, but Trademarks? Might they grow more valuable as info gluts?
What if the idea that *no one owns linux* switched to the idea that *we own linux*? What if we agreed to restrict abuse of "our" name, (and the values it represents)? Would [insert project "x", eg "linux"] then be better cared for?
These are just questions from an outsider looking in. Point is, a *truly* chaordic (distributed ownership, equitable rewards) community license to develop/use a free software system might enhance the *trust* between all participants, particularly when money enters the mix.
Maybe such an agreement could not be strictly defined as "Free" or "Open Source", (due to the tradename requirement/url verification), but maybe some resulting immunity to commercial parasites is worth that price. Maybe such an agreement could be called "Open Code" (for software *and* organizational code.)
Whatever.. open principles make better software, and they oughta extend to embrace business structures and practices.. which seems like it could happen with this chaordic stuff.. (chaorganization, coincidentally, requires a fundamental reconception of "ownership")
Why beware of VC money? It typically wants us to "acquire" customers, in hopes that shareholders will want to "own" a piece of us. Don't buy it! Pop that bubble! Customers are not "property", and neither are we.
"Ownership" in the chaordic sense will extend freedom (and *trust*) farther faster.
If that's our purpose, how can we then raise enough cash to incorporate our ideas into legal fictions (businesses) which may serve to help us reputably trade our ingenuity? Savings. Loans. Credit Cards. VC royalty financing. URL Bonds? Membership fees. Service contracts. Ad revenues. "Free" products for sale. Faith. Whatever it takes.. but don't sell off a single limb, not even a single digit. Extend ownership to customers, not stock-holders. Serve people. It will prove more profitable.
chaorganize!
[sources: LINX . "attEnTiOn"-NoT . StiG . BiOnOMiCs . CHaOs-is-G00D . PaRtneRsHiP . FrEELoAdiNG . MoNeY . ComMuNiTy-CuRReNcY . iNteLLeCtuAL-VaLuE . RHaT-IpO . AddApT . CHaRacTeRIStiCs-o-ChaORgAniZATiOn . ViSA . DeE-HoCK . CoMMiE-UniTy? . GpL=BiG-BuCk$?? . MiNDcRaFTiNg . EcOnOmY-oF-iDeAs . ETHiCs-of-iP . ScSL . CoOpeRaTiVe-adVaNtaGe . CHaOrDiC-PrOCeSs . wHaT'sa-NaMe? . CrEdiT-DuE? . OPEN-CoDE . ETHiCs :thanks] -
"ownership" in trade of free ideasredundant
The LINX debacle affirms the idea that *reputation*, above and beyond human *attention*, is the chief currency in this idea economy. Clearly LinuxOne is getting attention, but of a bitter sort. (then again, press is often measured by quantity, not quality.)
Maybe Dr. Chiou's LINX will do little damage to Linux' reputation. But if he achieves his purpose, even slightly, many might follow suit. Snowball. After all, the "world domination" market is immense, comprising *billions* of newbies. The barrier to entry, as LINX proves, barely exists. Maybe "world partnership" would have been smarter.
Bernardo Huberman concludes that the bigger a system is, the more individuals within it will poach, simply because they can get away with it. Guilt free. The bigger Linux gets, (the way it's currently being financed), the more it may suffer infestation by parasites.
"Money" wants one thing: to maximize its return with minimal effort, and limited liability. "It goes where it's wanted, and stays where it's cared for." Gold rules. The rich get richer, and the poor get, uh.. motivation to get rich.. (and so on, until we reboot "money")
Meanwhile, how do we use yesterday's money to trade today's free ideas? How does open source get monetized? Are there choices?
Are "property"-centered IPO's and stockholder "ownership" the *ideal* way to finance trade in free ideas? Are they the *fairest* of possible arrangements? Are they the *only* kind of financial relationships imaginable? Maybe not.
Could the Open Source principle of "common ownership" conceivably adapt to the structure of a "business relationship"?
Maybe so. "Common ownership" is a key organizing principle of one of the most successful enterprises in history, which incidentally has plenty to do with software, entrepreneurial freedom, ingenuity, trade, globalization and money itself..
VISA defined "ownership" as a nontransferable *right* to participate, and an *obligation* to abide by community-defined terms. Legally, it was structured as a non-stock, for-profit membership corporation. So it can't be bought, sold, traded or raided. No pump, no dump. VISA has grown 20-50%, compounding annually, for over 30 years, past boom, bubble, bear and bust: $1,400,000,000,000 (trillion) in 1998 sales.
Dee Hock, who founded this semi-choard, believes that if "ownership" had been extended to *all* participants (including merchants and cardholders), then it would be *four times* more successful today. It would be truly chaordic.
(So does "common ownership" always mean "Communism"? Maybe not. Meanwhile, das Capital floods into Linux, which is rooted in the freaking GPL.. wierd. Maybe money follows ingenuity, regardless of ideology..)
Why do open licenses like the GPL so attract that most valuable resource, human ingenuity? Common ownership? Promotion of sharing? Trade rooted in ethics? Relief from pricey legal haggling? Rebellion? Civil disobedience? Cooperative advantage? Creative liberty? Maybe it boils down to freedom from restrictions.
"Freedom"? Are you *free* to scream "fire" in a crowded house or to punch the tip of my nose? Kinda.. Dee Hock (after Lao Tzu) claims that in reality, "everything is its opposite". Freedom is a fruit of self-restraint. By forced sharing, the GPL righteously claims to be more "free" than BSD. BSD rabidly disagrees. Considering the LinuxONE problem at hand, is the "GPV" dispute relevant?
Dr. Chiou and company seem to be breaking an *unwritten* community contract. He's free to do so. Any surprise at all, considering recent capital flows to RHAT and LNUX? To equitably and successfully enable monetized, fair, reputable and trustworthy trade in free ideas, maybe alternative contracts (open licenses) need to be written and tried.
No, not like the SCSL (a legal document that claims to create a "chaord". Dubious. Sun is infected with the "responsibility-to-stockholder" virus, which makes it difficult to truly extend equitable ownership to all participants.)
Who knows? What if, in the beginning, Linus added a few fairness enhancing restrictions to the GPL:- Call this OS anything you want, but please include the name "linux" in whatever you call it.
- Please claim to your free subdomain (reputation) in our community-owned, mother-of-all-intranets at http://our.linux.org/dns (eg: va.linux.org = valinux.com etc)
- Let's chaorganize ourselves to free our idea exchange, while forging a commercial agreement to immunize ourselves from free-riders like Dr. Chiou.. This process might take us a year..
Reputation management? What's in a name? Giving credit where credit is due? Patent and Copyright "properties" may perpetuate outdated economic models of scarcity, but Trademarks? Might they grow more valuable as info gluts?
What if the idea that *no one owns linux* switched to the idea that *we own linux*? What if we agreed to restrict abuse of "our" name, (and the values it represents)? Would [insert project "x", eg "linux"] then be better cared for?
These are just questions from an outsider looking in. Point is, a *truly* chaordic (distributed ownership, equitable rewards) community license to develop/use a free software system might enhance the *trust* between all participants, particularly when money enters the mix.
Maybe such an agreement could not be strictly defined as "Free" or "Open Source", (due to the tradename requirement/url verification), but maybe some resulting immunity to commercial parasites is worth that price. Maybe such an agreement could be called "Open Code" (for software *and* organizational code.)
Whatever.. open principles make better software, and they oughta extend to embrace business structures and practices.. which seems like it could happen with this chaordic stuff.. (chaorganization, coincidentally, requires a fundamental reconception of "ownership")
Why beware of VC money? It typically wants us to "acquire" customers, in hopes that shareholders will want to "own" a piece of us. Don't buy it! Pop that bubble! Customers are not "property", and neither are we.
"Ownership" in the chaordic sense will extend freedom (and *trust*) farther faster.
If that's our purpose, how can we then raise enough cash to incorporate our ideas into legal fictions (businesses) which may serve to help us reputably trade our ingenuity? Savings. Loans. Credit Cards. VC royalty financing. URL Bonds? Membership fees. Service contracts. Ad revenues. "Free" products for sale. Faith. Whatever it takes.. but don't sell off a single limb, not even a single digit. Extend ownership to customers, not stock-holders. Serve people. It will prove more profitable.
chaorganize!
[sources: LINX . "attEnTiOn"-NoT . StiG . BiOnOMiCs . CHaOs-is-G00D . PaRtneRsHiP . FrEELoAdiNG . MoNeY . ComMuNiTy-CuRReNcY . iNteLLeCtuAL-VaLuE . RHaT-IpO . AddApT . CHaRacTeRIStiCs-o-ChaORgAniZATiOn . ViSA . DeE-HoCK . CoMMiE-UniTy? . GpL=BiG-BuCk$?? . MiNDcRaFTiNg . EcOnOmY-oF-iDeAs . ETHiCs-of-iP . ScSL . CoOpeRaTiVe-adVaNtaGe . CHaOrDiC-PrOCeSs . wHaT'sa-NaMe? . CrEdiT-DuE? . OPEN-CoDE . ETHiCs :thanks] -
The question I wished I had asked.Today Wired has an article about Apple creating web based products designed to attract new users to the apple and making them only available to apple users. It includes comments like:
In announcing the new suite Wednesday, Jobs said the company had looked at the fact that it owned proprietary software on both ends of a Web visit to the site. "We realized we could take unfair advantage of the fact," Jobs said.
The panel generally said the approach just made it more compelling to buy a Mac for consumers seeking Internet access, and that Apple was smart to leverage it.I would have liked to have asked Woz what his take on this would be. We all know how much we love pages that need AOL or internet explorer or some other non-universal technology.
With Microsoft slowly going the route of open source (also this) (it's only disclosed source but it's a start), I wonder if this is a wise move or a fatal mistake. I only wish I had known about this in time.
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Thanks Motley Fool
I've been waiting for weeks now for a critical article on the LinuxOne IPO from a mainstream non-Linux friendly source and this is it.
After reading articles like this one which actually may convince some silly investors that LinuxOne is a Linux underdog that may take off. Or even worse articles from other mainstream press that merely state that Open Source "enthusiasts" dislike LinuxOne for not being true to Open Source (they usually link to this), it is good to see a reputable mainstream site do a quality job of describing LinuxOne to the average clueless investor (when I say clueless i mean with regards to Linux).
In a climate where Salon's stock rises 90% simply because they are going to provide content on RedHat's website, LinuxOne has potential to rise above and beyond their IPO price , fleecing unknowledgeable investors along the way. What's extremely interesting is that the CEO of LinuxOne hold shares of LinuxOne through a charity and thus may be able to cash out if given prior written consent by their underwriter(From ZDNet).
All in all kudos to Motley Fool for showing the average investor exactly what kind of company LinuxOne is. I especially like the blurb at the end...
I can't repeat this enough: DO YOUR OWN HOMEWORK. It's a vicious market out there, buyer beware. Don't blindly trust a company's press releases, they're advertising. Don't trust what analysts say about it. Even the Fool has been small-f fooled before, right here in this portfolio. Our original paper money "Simpleton" portfolio included Oxford Health Plans (Nasdaq: OXHP), which one day lost 75% of its value due to "accounting irregularities." I know the stock market's booming like mad but DON'T go on margin, DON'T gamble away money you can't afford to lose, and DON'T put all your eggs in one basket. We don't always repeat that often enough here, so you'd better get in the habit of repeating it to yourself.
If only all individual investors followed this advice maybe the stock market wouldn't be the crazy place it is today. :) -
Mirror of H.R.1907
I had some trouble getting the document so I've put a copy here.
I remember reading about this back around 1994, 5, or 6. I thought the bill had been killed in Congress, but clearly I was wrong. From what I recall it is a very bad bill, but I haven't read it in over a year. If I can I will submit a review or an annotated version to TECHNOCRAT.NET or SlashDot. Of course, I have no idea if it will go through on either site. -
This is an excellent development.You might know I'm the founder and present board member of No-Code International, an organization that has lobbied for the end of code testing.
Morse code is fun and people won't stop using it. But to have a test on copying Morse code by ear required to get any ham license that allows operation below 30 MHz in this day and age is rediculous. The average ham is older than 60, but ham radio should be a resource for young people to learn analog electronics, RF, wide-area networking, etc. I'm hoping that this change will start to address the age gap in ham radio, and I'll be working on a campaign to get young people into the hobby and on to our HF bands.
One of the best things about this decision is that it ends a very ugly acrimonious situation in ham radio that has persisted since 1990, when the no-code VHF license was introduced as the first foot in the door for modernization of ham radio. A lot of the older hams alienated the younger ones because they felt that no-coders weren't real hams. Now, those younger hams will have the same licenses as the older ones, and will be in their faces on the HF bands.
You can read more about this in my editorial The World's Most Silly Technology Law.
Bruce Perens K6BP
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More about these issues...
I am sure Bruce Perens will have more to say but in the meantime go to http://www.nocode.org/ (this is an organization reponisble for lobbying of the FTC regarding this issue.
Also, make sure you chek out The World's Most Silly Technology Law , an editorial by Bruce Perens over at technocrat.net
Cheers.
Nick -
More about these issues...
I am sure Bruce Perens will have more to say but in the meantime go to http://www.nocode.org/ (this is an organization reponisble for lobbying of the FTC regarding this issue.
Also, make sure you chek out The World's Most Silly Technology Law , an editorial by Bruce Perens over at technocrat.net
Cheers.
Nick -
Re:So what... Caldera violates GPL tooA large chunk of the Linux community seems only interested in doing "GPL advocacy" if it fits their goals. This company seems to be doing some pritty shady stuff that can definately hurt the Linux communities name. But in terms of GPL violation, their are other Linux "friendly" companies that have done fair worse:
- LinuxOne's GPL violation status:
- They acknowledge the requirement to provide a written offer in the README on the CDROM
- They acknowledge the problem when contacted by phone
- They have failed to follow through on providing the source code on their FTP site
- Caldera has distributed OpenLinux Demo CDs without source code or a written offer of source code.
- The CDROM README file does no discuss the availablity of the source code at all
- Caldera refuses to respond to email on the subject
- Caldera refuses to address the problem when contacted by phone stating a policy of requiring software authors to contact the Caldera contact assigned to them at the time Caldera choose to redistribute their software (however, Caldera has not assigned contacts to GPL authors, only to companies authoring commerical licensed software). They have refused to acknowledge that there is any problem.
- Linux Systems Labs in their product titles implies that entire CDs are covered by the GPL when in actuality the CD conatins several packages that are not covered by the GPL (this act is described as a GPL violation by the Free Software Foundation)
- Linux Central when a binary only CD is ordered does not supply any written offer of source code availablity
- Cheap Bytes when a binary only CD is ordered does not supply any written offer of source code availablity
- IBM has been in violation of the LGPL for over 400 days since the time they have distributed unsupported ADSM for Linux. To date, they still have not made the object files for ADSM available for accomplishing relinking against modified versions of the LGPL material. There is every reason to believe that IBM will remain in violation of the LGPL throughout the entire 1999 year.
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Perens on LinuxOneBruce Perens' piece, "Let's run LinuxOne out of town on a rail" is here.
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Re:Stupid PatentsWhat I SAID wasTechnocrat had a relevant item recently: Chuck Schumer in NY spoke in a forum (see story) where he referred to the possible need for a major review of the current "system" for granting "patents"... I have written him, and I do recommend all NY residents do as well... intelligently of course.
I'm sure Sentator Schumer could care less about your petrified Natalie Portmans.
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Re:Stupid PatentsWhat I SAID wasTechnocrat had a relevant item recently: Chuck Schumer in NY spoke in a forum (see story) where he referred to the possible need for a major review of the current "system" for granting "patents"... I have written him, and I do recommend all NY residents do as well... intelligently of course.
I'm sure Sentator Schumer could care less about your petrified Natalie Portmans.
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Re:Stupid PatentsTechnocrat had a relevant item recently: Chuck Schumer in NY spoke in a forum (see story) where he referred to the possible need for a major review of the current "system" for granting "patents"... I have written him, and I do recommend all NY residents do as well... intelligently of course.
I'm sure Sentator Schumer could care less about your petrified Natalie Portmans.
So there 8-P
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Re:Stupid PatentsTechnocrat had a relevant item recently: Chuck Schumer in NY spoke in a forum (see story) where he referred to the possible need for a major review of the current "system" for granting "patents"... I have written him, and I do recommend all NY residents do as well... intelligently of course.
I'm sure Sentator Schumer could care less about your petrified Natalie Portmans.
So there 8-P
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Re:Slashdot = tabloid.Understood. I think that Rob is having some problems resolving how to handle the S/N ratio without being in some way unfair or unethical by blocking people. You may have noticed I run my own weblog that is an alternative to Slashdot if you want less noise. People tell me that the two weblogs compliment each other because they fulfill different goals.
I had a great time speaking in Iceland and would love to go to Norway. If there's a conference there, tell me about the call for papers.
Thanks
Bruce
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To slash or not to slashActually, imaclinux.net is using Squishdot which just happens to look strikingly familiar to slashdot. Same with Technocrat.net, both of which use a combination of Squishdot and Zope.
From Technocrat...
Our web content manager
software is Zope. Zope is written in Python. The
weblog software that displays our articles is a Zope
component called Squishdot. It looks a lot like the
Slashdot software, but the software is entirely
different from Slashdot and it's expected to evolve
its own unique look and feel over time.
So each package offers some of the same features, but the development seems to be progressing faster with Squish. When was the last time the Slash code was publicly updated and released? -
If you like to maintain 4 zillion scripts...
...and throw away machine cycles, maybe PHP _is_ cool. But if you rather have an organized, object oriented web development interface, with multithreaded persistent database connections, a standalone web server, plugable modules and no overhead per call, try Zope. All the great new sites use it, like AppWatch, Technocrat and iMacLinux. Why? How about going from drawing board to full featured site in 2 weeks? And please don't mention the PHP + MySQL combo, the MySQL license sucks. OpenSource rules, I don't care about the rest.
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Re:Free the Code!, the URL is....
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I think there's a copy on Bruce Peren's Technocrat. I'm too lazy to find the exact URL, but it should be somewhere on this URL.
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I think there's a copy on Bruce Peren's Technocrat. I'm too lazy to find the exact URL, but it should be somewhere on this URL.
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Prior Art in CLtL2In Common Lisp the Language, 2nd edition by Guy L. Steele Jr. (copyrighted 1990), section 25.4.1 discusses "decoded time" (similar to C's time_t structure). On the year component Steele says:
As the section is not adorned with changebars, I expect it to be present in the 1st ed as well.- Year: an integer indicating the year A.D. However, if this integer is between 0 and 99, the ``obvious'' year is used; more precisely, that year is assumed that is equal to the integer modulo 100 and within fifty years of the current year (inclusive backwards and exclusive forwards). Thus, in the year 1978, year 28 is 1928 but year 27 is 2027. (Functions that return time in this format always return a full year number.)
Compatibility note: This is incompatible with the Lisp Machine Lisp definition in two ways. First, in Lisp Machine Lisp a year between 0 and 99 always has 1900 added to it. Second, in Lisp Machine Lisp time functions return the abbreviated year number between 0 and 99 rather than the full year number. The incompatibility is prompted by the imminent arrival of the twenty-first century. Note that (mod year 100) always reliably converts a year number to the abbreviated form, while the inverse conversion can be very difficult.
Aside, Bruce Perens has an interesting proposal over at Technocrat.Net.
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Prior Art in CLtL2In Common Lisp the Language, 2nd edition by Guy L. Steele Jr. (copyrighted 1990), section 25.4.1 discusses "decoded time" (similar to C's time_t structure). On the year component Steele says:
As the section is not adorned with changebars, I expect it to be present in the 1st ed as well.- Year: an integer indicating the year A.D. However, if this integer is between 0 and 99, the ``obvious'' year is used; more precisely, that year is assumed that is equal to the integer modulo 100 and within fifty years of the current year (inclusive backwards and exclusive forwards). Thus, in the year 1978, year 28 is 1928 but year 27 is 2027. (Functions that return time in this format always return a full year number.)
Compatibility note: This is incompatible with the Lisp Machine Lisp definition in two ways. First, in Lisp Machine Lisp a year between 0 and 99 always has 1900 added to it. Second, in Lisp Machine Lisp time functions return the abbreviated year number between 0 and 99 rather than the full year number. The incompatibility is prompted by the imminent arrival of the twenty-first century. Note that (mod year 100) always reliably converts a year number to the abbreviated form, while the inverse conversion can be very difficult.
Aside, Bruce Perens has an interesting proposal over at Technocrat.Net.
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Re:Award Comittee
In reality, ER's opinion is the only one that counts since he will be showing up at the meeting strapped with an AK-47 and a small arms cache. He has already displayed that he is one pickle short of a barrel by his many antics, including his appearance on the MS campus as Obi Wan Kenobi (or however the hell you spell it).
Bruce Perens will be too busy trying to promote his new website.
Salus will probably be too busy working on the free buffet.
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Hmm, interesting point of view. I must say, I don't visit
/. so often nowadays, nor post so much, simply because I feel that an on-line forum that can accomodate the likes of Katz isn't for me. But, where else does one go? Technocrat has much better editorial control, and more intelligent posts, but doesn't have the "critical mass" in user numbers to generate real discussion -- 2 to 9 comments seems to be the usual range. I don't see people leaving slashdot; most are morely likely simply to ignore Katz. But there's the rub -- can Katz be ignored? I think not. He is symptomatic of a deeper problem at slashdot: the lack of proper editing. Stuff posted as news sometimes contains hearsay, rumour, and plain misinformation (not deliberate, I'm sure). Katz is not the only offender, merely far and away the worst. -
Zope
MySQL sucks. Have you ever read the LICENSE it comes under?? Try Zope. And take a look at some Open Source sites that use it daily, like AppWatch and Technocrat.
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Wireless sharing of >T1 bandwidth, on the cheapA couple of posts to this story have brought up a good point, which is that if you can find some inexpensive wireless LAN equipment and a sympathetic T1- or T3-owning host, you're in business. That is basically what I've been able to do, using a homemade microwave link for 10-mbit/s connectivity with my office. Details on this construction project are here.
The main article on that site contains a link to a mailing list populated by several experimenters who are looking at using this type of link to deliver bandwidth to underserved areas in the US and various foreign countries.
Although apparently not 'nerdly' enough for a Slashdot quickie topic, the microwave link was the subject of a thread at Technocrat.net, which can be found here. I'll be glad to answer any questions anyone has about this project, either here, on the mailing list, or at the email address below.
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Wireless sharing of >T1 bandwidth, on the cheapA couple of posts to this story have brought up a good point, which is that if you can find some inexpensive wireless LAN equipment and a sympathetic T1- or T3-owning host, you're in business. That is basically what I've been able to do, using a homemade microwave link for 10-mbit/s connectivity with my office. Details on this construction project are here.
The main article on that site contains a link to a mailing list populated by several experimenters who are looking at using this type of link to deliver bandwidth to underserved areas in the US and various foreign countries.
Although apparently not 'nerdly' enough for a Slashdot quickie topic, the microwave link was the subject of a thread at Technocrat.net, which can be found here. I'll be glad to answer any questions anyone has about this project, either here, on the mailing list, or at the email address below.
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Re:What are the proposals?Heh, maybe I should keep up with Technocrat. They had this story on Monday which references this article from The Register that answers my questions.
There's some interesting discussion over on Technocrat on this story.
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Re:What are the proposals?Heh, maybe I should keep up with Technocrat. They had this story on Monday which references this article from The Register that answers my questions.
There's some interesting discussion over on Technocrat on this story.
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What are the proposals?Perhaps some French speaking geeks could get the text of the proposed law and translate that for us.
From the translated message from the Senator, it's not at all clear as to what the Articles actually state.
I'd be very much in favor of a law that required all software used by the Government to be provided as Open Source, wherever possible (whatever that means).
This is not really that different from the current law in the US, if I understand it correctly, that any software written for the US Government (as a deliverable) has no copyright and is thus in the public domain. It would simply be moving from public domain to an Open Source license requirement. The two are very close, but an Open Source requirement would imply that the original source code must be supplied. A deliverable to the US Government could be executables that are in the public domain (could legally be reverse engineered).
There was a discussion of these issues over on Technocrat awhile back, with Bruce Perens making the interesting suggestion that someone should look into getting software created by/for the US Government released with Freedom Of Information Act (FOIA) requests. While it appears the software created by/for the US Government has no copyright (Public Domain), the US Government is not under any obligation to make releases, except possibly under FOIA requests, which is what Bruce suggested someone should look into.
It appears that some people here seem to think that the French law will require that all Software be Open Source. I'd probably be opposed to such a mandate. This would unnecessarily displace workers suddenly who develop and release non-Open Source software. If Open Source is to succeed, I feel that it's better that it wins in the marketplace, not by mandate.
The Government is a customer in the marketplace, and if it's determined that the Government (and thus the people) benefit from the advantages of Open Source, well, that's just a customer making a minimum requirement for purchased goods. Nothing wrong with that.
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What are the proposals?Perhaps some French speaking geeks could get the text of the proposed law and translate that for us.
From the translated message from the Senator, it's not at all clear as to what the Articles actually state.
I'd be very much in favor of a law that required all software used by the Government to be provided as Open Source, wherever possible (whatever that means).
This is not really that different from the current law in the US, if I understand it correctly, that any software written for the US Government (as a deliverable) has no copyright and is thus in the public domain. It would simply be moving from public domain to an Open Source license requirement. The two are very close, but an Open Source requirement would imply that the original source code must be supplied. A deliverable to the US Government could be executables that are in the public domain (could legally be reverse engineered).
There was a discussion of these issues over on Technocrat awhile back, with Bruce Perens making the interesting suggestion that someone should look into getting software created by/for the US Government released with Freedom Of Information Act (FOIA) requests. While it appears the software created by/for the US Government has no copyright (Public Domain), the US Government is not under any obligation to make releases, except possibly under FOIA requests, which is what Bruce suggested someone should look into.
It appears that some people here seem to think that the French law will require that all Software be Open Source. I'd probably be opposed to such a mandate. This would unnecessarily displace workers suddenly who develop and release non-Open Source software. If Open Source is to succeed, I feel that it's better that it wins in the marketplace, not by mandate.
The Government is a customer in the marketplace, and if it's determined that the Government (and thus the people) benefit from the advantages of Open Source, well, that's just a customer making a minimum requirement for purchased goods. Nothing wrong with that.
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A practical proposal
Tired of Katz? Then run, do not walk, away from slashdot. We, the posters, are what's keeping this leech alive. It is quite obvious that Rob and co. don't give two fucks if he pisses people off. Why? slashdot is owned by a corporation now: hits and click-throughs are what matter. Use technocrat instead: it's quiet over there, but only because everyone is here.
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Who's paying for it it not important, the important thing is to do it right. That is why all the media hype and the bogus companies that pretend to support Open Source get in the way instead of helping out the movement. Just ignore them, and go for trully OS sources of information and software, like GNU, Technocrat and AppWatch.
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Re:another problem: Handspring violating GPL
If I were you, I'd get ahold of Bruce Perens, either here, or post something to Technocrat.net. Doesn't look like he's gotten wind of this yet.
Note: I would do it myself, but I am way too busy to provide the proper follow-up...
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There's often good ham news at Bruce Perens' Technocrat.Net. Bruce has been an avid ham for a while, so he makes sure to post the important stuff there. Not much on there today, but a couple of weeks ago there were several ham articles.
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Well, then, I must complain about your complaining. True Technocrat.Net looks a lot like
/. It may even be based on the slash code (I'm not absolutely positive on this thought). But guess what, there are a a number of sites based on Slash and I expect that number to grow. Heck I'd make one of my own if I had the time and I was better at perl.Personally, I find that Technocrat, while more limited in scope than slashdot, to be alot like slashdot was in the old days.
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This has been discussed on TechnocratWas on Technocrat.net yesterday. Summary:
- It's an arbitrary value. You may use your MAC address or you may use something else.
- Your MAC address isn't any more sensitive than your IP.
- One of the main points of ipv6 is to give IPs for everyone, so why not? We will already have to rethink a lot of our "privacy" systems. We do a lot of what Perens calls "security trough obscurity"; relying on dynamic IP for "privacy" is in effect treating a bug as a feature.
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Re:Where can I get some good info?
Bruce Perens seems to enjoy that sort of thing. He was the primary author of the Debian Free Software Guidelines. Perhaps you should check out his website - http://www.technocrat.net/
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Overreacting Early == BadAs per Bruce Perens' site, Officials Urge Calm.
It is more than likely that ZD is trying to jump on the publicity bandwagon discovered by Slashdot readers, and is merely pouring gasoline on the fire.
It would be useful for developers to complain about abuses of their code; for advokiddies too gripe about this is a waste of bits...
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Re:Single sided articleIt may be too little too late, but thank God we have avenues like Slashdot and Technocrat.net to alert us of this kind of thing.
Don't expect the media to raise any issues at all with this law. Media companies will benefit BIG time from such a law. They'll be able to compile all of those polls they're always running into databases and then copyright them. They'll be the first one's to commercialize the use of copyrighted on-line databases.
Copyrights are there not to ensure 'fairness'. They are there to encourage creation of intellectual property. Check the Constititution, not that Media considers THAT relevant anymore.
I haven't seen a lack of data collection/database creation under the present system. This is legislation that probably protects only campaign contributors.
Speaking of campaign contributors, if someone puts together campaign contribution databases will I be allowed to point out that Senators X, Y and Z and Congressmen A, B, C, D, (not E or F) and G got fat contributions and then supported some legislation? A case could certainly be made that I used their database and violated their copyright here.
I also believe the example of someone's book that was photocopied and placed on the Web to be bogus. It doesn't raise to the level of specious because nobody who knows ANYTHING about copyrights would believe that this is a problem. Of course the original author of a book is protected against it being published on the Web without permission. That's exactly what copyright protects.
They are attempting to extend copyright to every fact in a collection of facts. Very scary.
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Re:Two Choices
Yes, Bruce's Technocrat.net site is a wonderful thing. For those who missed the earlier story, Technocrat.net is devoted to "technology policy" -- laws which affect technology. It may take a while for the site to become popular, and may go through some growing pains, but if it can actually serve to bridge the gap between computer techies and non-computer techies, it may help educate everyone. (I've learned quite a bit from it already -- I'm quite familiar with the computer-related stories, but I haven't followed the space exploration stories as much, and I didn't know anything about amateur radio.)
I've already submitted a UCITA story to that site. I imagine a lot of other people have, too. I haven't seen one posted yet, but I can't possibly imagine this story not showing up there.
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An Open Source, Python HotMail look alike
There is a Zope component that connects to an IMAP server to provide a web oriented front end that can be accessed via HTTP, XML-RPC, and even FTP. The most common configuration is HTTP (via a fairly functional but very minimal web forms based interface).
I jokingly call it NotMail. Since being hired by the authors of Zope, I have not be able to pursue it to hard core, but Python, is as most of you know, is vey easy. Most of the core is done, there would just have to be some improvements made to get it to work with the new Zope version, 2.0b1, some threadsafing issues (2.0 is fully threaded) and of course, some cosmetic changes to the HTTP interface.
For an example of a Zope powered site, check out Technocrat.net.
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Re:Deja vu, all over again.I've seen that message board engine before.
Are you sure? It's not slash, it's Squishdot (built on Zope, which is built on Python).
Admittedly, the look-and-feel is "borrowed" from Slashdot, but the underlying technology is completely different. Check The Technology behind TECHNOCRAT.NET for more info.