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  1. Re:Seriously, Miguel, give up by miguel · · Score: 1 · on Miguel Plans Silverlight on Mono & Linux by Years End

    Hello,

    I like to think that my opinion on Avalon is a bit more sophisticated than one post from 2004 (which predated the Ajax revolution, I blogged about Google and Ajax in September 2004, so five months after that post), the following are the files where I cover Xaml, Avalon, Silverlight:

    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2003/Nov-13.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Mar-03.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Mar-11.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Mar-20.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Mar-29.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Apr-24.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Jul-13.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Sep-01.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Sep-09.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Sep-19.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2005/Aug-27-2.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2005/Sep-06.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/Jan-30.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/Mar-06.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/Apr-12.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Apr-13.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/Apr-16.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/Apr-20.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/Apr-25.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/May-01-1.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/May-01.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/May-03-1.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/May-03-2.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Jun-30.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Sep-15-3.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Oct-02-2.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Aug-02.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Aug-03.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Aug-04.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Aug-16-1.html

    WPF was late, in fact, it was only released as a completed product in November so it clearly has not been used wildly in the market.

    Miguel

  2. Re:Seriously, Miguel, give up by miguel · · Score: 1 · on Miguel Plans Silverlight on Mono & Linux by Years End

    Hello,

    I like to think that my opinion on Avalon is a bit more sophisticated than one post from 2004 (which predated the Ajax revolution, I blogged about Google and Ajax in September 2004, so five months after that post), the following are the files where I cover Xaml, Avalon, Silverlight:

    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2003/Nov-13.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Mar-03.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Mar-11.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Mar-20.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Mar-29.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Apr-24.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Jul-13.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Sep-01.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Sep-09.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Sep-19.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2005/Aug-27-2.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2005/Sep-06.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/Jan-30.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/Mar-06.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/Apr-12.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Apr-13.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/Apr-16.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/Apr-20.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/Apr-25.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/May-01-1.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/May-01.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/May-03-1.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/May-03-2.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Jun-30.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Sep-15-3.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Oct-02-2.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Aug-02.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Aug-03.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Aug-04.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Aug-16-1.html

    WPF was late, in fact, it was only released as a completed product in November so it clearly has not been used wildly in the market.

    Miguel

  3. Re:Seriously, Miguel, give up by miguel · · Score: 1 · on Miguel Plans Silverlight on Mono & Linux by Years End

    Hello,

    I like to think that my opinion on Avalon is a bit more sophisticated than one post from 2004 (which predated the Ajax revolution, I blogged about Google and Ajax in September 2004, so five months after that post), the following are the files where I cover Xaml, Avalon, Silverlight:

    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2003/Nov-13.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Mar-03.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Mar-11.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Mar-20.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Mar-29.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Apr-24.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Jul-13.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Sep-01.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Sep-09.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Sep-19.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2005/Aug-27-2.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2005/Sep-06.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/Jan-30.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/Mar-06.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/Apr-12.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Apr-13.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/Apr-16.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/Apr-20.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/Apr-25.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/May-01-1.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/May-01.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/May-03-1.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/May-03-2.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Jun-30.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Sep-15-3.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Oct-02-2.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Aug-02.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Aug-03.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Aug-04.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Aug-16-1.html

    WPF was late, in fact, it was only released as a completed product in November so it clearly has not been used wildly in the market.

    Miguel

  4. Re:Seriously, Miguel, give up by miguel · · Score: 1 · on Miguel Plans Silverlight on Mono & Linux by Years End

    Hello,

    I like to think that my opinion on Avalon is a bit more sophisticated than one post from 2004 (which predated the Ajax revolution, I blogged about Google and Ajax in September 2004, so five months after that post), the following are the files where I cover Xaml, Avalon, Silverlight:

    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2003/Nov-13.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Mar-03.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Mar-11.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Mar-20.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Mar-29.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Apr-24.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Jul-13.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Sep-01.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Sep-09.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Sep-19.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2005/Aug-27-2.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2005/Sep-06.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/Jan-30.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/Mar-06.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/Apr-12.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Apr-13.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/Apr-16.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/Apr-20.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/Apr-25.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/May-01-1.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/May-01.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/May-03-1.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/May-03-2.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Jun-30.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Sep-15-3.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Oct-02-2.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Aug-02.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Aug-03.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Aug-04.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Aug-16-1.html

    WPF was late, in fact, it was only released as a completed product in November so it clearly has not been used wildly in the market.

    Miguel

  5. Re:Seriously, Miguel, give up by miguel · · Score: 1 · on Miguel Plans Silverlight on Mono & Linux by Years End

    Hello,

    I like to think that my opinion on Avalon is a bit more sophisticated than one post from 2004 (which predated the Ajax revolution, I blogged about Google and Ajax in September 2004, so five months after that post), the following are the files where I cover Xaml, Avalon, Silverlight:

    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2003/Nov-13.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Mar-03.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Mar-11.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Mar-20.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Mar-29.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Apr-24.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Jul-13.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Sep-01.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Sep-09.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Sep-19.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2005/Aug-27-2.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2005/Sep-06.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/Jan-30.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/Mar-06.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/Apr-12.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Apr-13.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/Apr-16.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/Apr-20.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/Apr-25.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/May-01-1.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/May-01.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/May-03-1.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/May-03-2.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Jun-30.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Sep-15-3.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Oct-02-2.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Aug-02.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Aug-03.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Aug-04.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Aug-16-1.html

    WPF was late, in fact, it was only released as a completed product in November so it clearly has not been used wildly in the market.

    Miguel

  6. Re:Seriously, Miguel, give up by miguel · · Score: 1 · on Miguel Plans Silverlight on Mono & Linux by Years End

    Hello,

    I like to think that my opinion on Avalon is a bit more sophisticated than one post from 2004 (which predated the Ajax revolution, I blogged about Google and Ajax in September 2004, so five months after that post), the following are the files where I cover Xaml, Avalon, Silverlight:

    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2003/Nov-13.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Mar-03.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Mar-11.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Mar-20.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Mar-29.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Apr-24.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Jul-13.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Sep-01.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Sep-09.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Sep-19.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2005/Aug-27-2.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2005/Sep-06.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/Jan-30.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/Mar-06.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/Apr-12.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Apr-13.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/Apr-16.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/Apr-20.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/Apr-25.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/May-01-1.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/May-01.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/May-03-1.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/May-03-2.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Jun-30.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Sep-15-3.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Oct-02-2.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Aug-02.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Aug-03.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Aug-04.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Aug-16-1.html

    WPF was late, in fact, it was only released as a completed product in November so it clearly has not been used wildly in the market.

    Miguel

  7. Re:Seriously, Miguel, give up by miguel · · Score: 1 · on Miguel Plans Silverlight on Mono & Linux by Years End

    Hello,

    I like to think that my opinion on Avalon is a bit more sophisticated than one post from 2004 (which predated the Ajax revolution, I blogged about Google and Ajax in September 2004, so five months after that post), the following are the files where I cover Xaml, Avalon, Silverlight:

    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2003/Nov-13.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Mar-03.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Mar-11.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Mar-20.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Mar-29.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Apr-24.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Jul-13.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Sep-01.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Sep-09.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Sep-19.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2005/Aug-27-2.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2005/Sep-06.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/Jan-30.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/Mar-06.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/Apr-12.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Apr-13.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/Apr-16.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/Apr-20.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/Apr-25.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/May-01-1.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/May-01.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/May-03-1.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/May-03-2.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Jun-30.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Sep-15-3.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Oct-02-2.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Aug-02.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Aug-03.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Aug-04.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Aug-16-1.html

    WPF was late, in fact, it was only released as a completed product in November so it clearly has not been used wildly in the market.

    Miguel

  8. Re:Seriously, Miguel, give up by miguel · · Score: 1 · on Miguel Plans Silverlight on Mono & Linux by Years End

    Hello,

    I like to think that my opinion on Avalon is a bit more sophisticated than one post from 2004 (which predated the Ajax revolution, I blogged about Google and Ajax in September 2004, so five months after that post), the following are the files where I cover Xaml, Avalon, Silverlight:

    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2003/Nov-13.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Mar-03.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Mar-11.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Mar-20.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Mar-29.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Apr-24.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Jul-13.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Sep-01.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Sep-09.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Sep-19.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2005/Aug-27-2.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2005/Sep-06.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/Jan-30.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/Mar-06.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/Apr-12.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Apr-13.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/Apr-16.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/Apr-20.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/Apr-25.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/May-01-1.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/May-01.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/May-03-1.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/May-03-2.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Jun-30.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Sep-15-3.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Oct-02-2.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Aug-02.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Aug-03.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Aug-04.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Aug-16-1.html

    WPF was late, in fact, it was only released as a completed product in November so it clearly has not been used wildly in the market.

    Miguel

  9. Re:Seriously, Miguel, give up by miguel · · Score: 1 · on Miguel Plans Silverlight on Mono & Linux by Years End

    Hello,

    I like to think that my opinion on Avalon is a bit more sophisticated than one post from 2004 (which predated the Ajax revolution, I blogged about Google and Ajax in September 2004, so five months after that post), the following are the files where I cover Xaml, Avalon, Silverlight:

    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2003/Nov-13.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Mar-03.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Mar-11.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Mar-20.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Mar-29.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Apr-24.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Jul-13.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Sep-01.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Sep-09.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Sep-19.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2005/Aug-27-2.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2005/Sep-06.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/Jan-30.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/Mar-06.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/Apr-12.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Apr-13.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/Apr-16.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/Apr-20.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/Apr-25.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/May-01-1.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/May-01.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/May-03-1.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/May-03-2.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Jun-30.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Sep-15-3.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Oct-02-2.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Aug-02.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Aug-03.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Aug-04.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Aug-16-1.html

    WPF was late, in fact, it was only released as a completed product in November so it clearly has not been used wildly in the market.

    Miguel

  10. Re:Seriously, Miguel, give up by miguel · · Score: 1 · on Miguel Plans Silverlight on Mono & Linux by Years End

    Hello,

    I like to think that my opinion on Avalon is a bit more sophisticated than one post from 2004 (which predated the Ajax revolution, I blogged about Google and Ajax in September 2004, so five months after that post), the following are the files where I cover Xaml, Avalon, Silverlight:

    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2003/Nov-13.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Mar-03.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Mar-11.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Mar-20.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Mar-29.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Apr-24.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Jul-13.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Sep-01.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Sep-09.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Sep-19.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2005/Aug-27-2.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2005/Sep-06.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/Jan-30.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/Mar-06.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/Apr-12.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Apr-13.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/Apr-16.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/Apr-20.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/Apr-25.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/May-01-1.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/May-01.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/May-03-1.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/May-03-2.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Jun-30.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Sep-15-3.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Oct-02-2.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Aug-02.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Aug-03.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Aug-04.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Aug-16-1.html

    WPF was late, in fact, it was only released as a completed product in November so it clearly has not been used wildly in the market.

    Miguel

  11. Re:Seriously, Miguel, give up by miguel · · Score: 1 · on Miguel Plans Silverlight on Mono & Linux by Years End

    Hello,

    I like to think that my opinion on Avalon is a bit more sophisticated than one post from 2004 (which predated the Ajax revolution, I blogged about Google and Ajax in September 2004, so five months after that post), the following are the files where I cover Xaml, Avalon, Silverlight:

    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2003/Nov-13.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Mar-03.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Mar-11.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Mar-20.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Mar-29.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Apr-24.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Jul-13.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Sep-01.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Sep-09.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Sep-19.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2005/Aug-27-2.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2005/Sep-06.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/Jan-30.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/Mar-06.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/Apr-12.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Apr-13.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/Apr-16.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/Apr-20.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/Apr-25.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/May-01-1.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/May-01.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/May-03-1.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/May-03-2.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Jun-30.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Sep-15-3.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Oct-02-2.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Aug-02.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Aug-03.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Aug-04.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Aug-16-1.html

    WPF was late, in fact, it was only released as a completed product in November so it clearly has not been used wildly in the market.

    Miguel

  12. Re:Seriously, Miguel, give up by miguel · · Score: 1 · on Miguel Plans Silverlight on Mono & Linux by Years End

    Hello,

    I like to think that my opinion on Avalon is a bit more sophisticated than one post from 2004 (which predated the Ajax revolution, I blogged about Google and Ajax in September 2004, so five months after that post), the following are the files where I cover Xaml, Avalon, Silverlight:

    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2003/Nov-13.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Mar-03.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Mar-11.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Mar-20.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Mar-29.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Apr-24.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Jul-13.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Sep-01.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Sep-09.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Sep-19.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2005/Aug-27-2.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2005/Sep-06.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/Jan-30.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/Mar-06.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/Apr-12.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Apr-13.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/Apr-16.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/Apr-20.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/Apr-25.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/May-01-1.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/May-01.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/May-03-1.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/May-03-2.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Jun-30.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Sep-15-3.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Oct-02-2.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Aug-02.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Aug-03.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Aug-04.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Aug-16-1.html

    WPF was late, in fact, it was only released as a completed product in November so it clearly has not been used wildly in the market.

    Miguel

  13. Re:Seriously, Miguel, give up by miguel · · Score: 1 · on Miguel Plans Silverlight on Mono & Linux by Years End

    Hello,

    I like to think that my opinion on Avalon is a bit more sophisticated than one post from 2004 (which predated the Ajax revolution, I blogged about Google and Ajax in September 2004, so five months after that post), the following are the files where I cover Xaml, Avalon, Silverlight:

    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2003/Nov-13.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Mar-03.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Mar-11.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Mar-20.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Mar-29.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Apr-24.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Jul-13.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Sep-01.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Sep-09.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Sep-19.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2005/Aug-27-2.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2005/Sep-06.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/Jan-30.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/Mar-06.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/Apr-12.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Apr-13.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/Apr-16.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/Apr-20.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/Apr-25.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/May-01-1.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/May-01.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/May-03-1.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/May-03-2.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Jun-30.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Sep-15-3.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Oct-02-2.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Aug-02.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Aug-03.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Aug-04.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Aug-16-1.html

    WPF was late, in fact, it was only released as a completed product in November so it clearly has not been used wildly in the market.

    Miguel

  14. Re:Seriously, Miguel, give up by miguel · · Score: 1 · on Miguel Plans Silverlight on Mono & Linux by Years End

    Hello,

    I like to think that my opinion on Avalon is a bit more sophisticated than one post from 2004 (which predated the Ajax revolution, I blogged about Google and Ajax in September 2004, so five months after that post), the following are the files where I cover Xaml, Avalon, Silverlight:

    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2003/Nov-13.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Mar-03.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Mar-11.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Mar-20.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Mar-29.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Apr-24.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Jul-13.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Sep-01.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Sep-09.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Sep-19.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2005/Aug-27-2.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2005/Sep-06.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/Jan-30.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/Mar-06.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/Apr-12.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Apr-13.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/Apr-16.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/Apr-20.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/Apr-25.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/May-01-1.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/May-01.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/May-03-1.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/May-03-2.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Jun-30.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Sep-15-3.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Oct-02-2.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Aug-02.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Aug-03.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Aug-04.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Aug-16-1.html

    WPF was late, in fact, it was only released as a completed product in November so it clearly has not been used wildly in the market.

    Miguel

  15. Re:Seriously, Miguel, give up by miguel · · Score: 1 · on Miguel Plans Silverlight on Mono & Linux by Years End

    Hello,

    I like to think that my opinion on Avalon is a bit more sophisticated than one post from 2004 (which predated the Ajax revolution, I blogged about Google and Ajax in September 2004, so five months after that post), the following are the files where I cover Xaml, Avalon, Silverlight:

    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2003/Nov-13.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Mar-03.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Mar-11.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Mar-20.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Mar-29.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Apr-24.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Jul-13.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Sep-01.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Sep-09.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Sep-19.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2005/Aug-27-2.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2005/Sep-06.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/Jan-30.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/Mar-06.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/Apr-12.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Apr-13.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/Apr-16.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/Apr-20.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/Apr-25.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/May-01-1.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/May-01.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/May-03-1.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/May-03-2.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Jun-30.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Sep-15-3.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Oct-02-2.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Aug-02.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Aug-03.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Aug-04.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Aug-16-1.html

    WPF was late, in fact, it was only released as a completed product in November so it clearly has not been used wildly in the market.

    Miguel

  16. Re:Seriously, Miguel, give up by miguel · · Score: 1 · on Miguel Plans Silverlight on Mono & Linux by Years End

    Hello,

    I like to think that my opinion on Avalon is a bit more sophisticated than one post from 2004 (which predated the Ajax revolution, I blogged about Google and Ajax in September 2004, so five months after that post), the following are the files where I cover Xaml, Avalon, Silverlight:

    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2003/Nov-13.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Mar-03.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Mar-11.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Mar-20.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Mar-29.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Apr-24.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Jul-13.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Sep-01.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Sep-09.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Sep-19.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2005/Aug-27-2.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2005/Sep-06.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/Jan-30.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/Mar-06.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/Apr-12.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Apr-13.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/Apr-16.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/Apr-20.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/Apr-25.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/May-01-1.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/May-01.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/May-03-1.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/May-03-2.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Jun-30.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Sep-15-3.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Oct-02-2.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Aug-02.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Aug-03.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Aug-04.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Aug-16-1.html

    WPF was late, in fact, it was only released as a completed product in November so it clearly has not been used wildly in the market.

    Miguel

  17. Re:Seriously, Miguel, give up by miguel · · Score: 1 · on Miguel Plans Silverlight on Mono & Linux by Years End

    Hello,

    I like to think that my opinion on Avalon is a bit more sophisticated than one post from 2004 (which predated the Ajax revolution, I blogged about Google and Ajax in September 2004, so five months after that post), the following are the files where I cover Xaml, Avalon, Silverlight:

    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2003/Nov-13.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Mar-03.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Mar-11.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Mar-20.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Mar-29.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Apr-24.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Jul-13.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Sep-01.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Sep-09.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Sep-19.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2005/Aug-27-2.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2005/Sep-06.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/Jan-30.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/Mar-06.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/Apr-12.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Apr-13.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/Apr-16.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/Apr-20.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/Apr-25.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/May-01-1.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/May-01.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/May-03-1.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/May-03-2.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Jun-30.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Sep-15-3.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Oct-02-2.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Aug-02.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Aug-03.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Aug-04.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Aug-16-1.html

    WPF was late, in fact, it was only released as a completed product in November so it clearly has not been used wildly in the market.

    Miguel

  18. Re:Seriously, Miguel, give up by miguel · · Score: 1 · on Miguel Plans Silverlight on Mono & Linux by Years End

    Hello,

    I like to think that my opinion on Avalon is a bit more sophisticated than one post from 2004 (which predated the Ajax revolution, I blogged about Google and Ajax in September 2004, so five months after that post), the following are the files where I cover Xaml, Avalon, Silverlight:

    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2003/Nov-13.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Mar-03.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Mar-11.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Mar-20.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Mar-29.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Apr-24.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Jul-13.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Sep-01.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Sep-09.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Sep-19.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2005/Aug-27-2.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2005/Sep-06.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/Jan-30.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/Mar-06.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/Apr-12.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Apr-13.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/Apr-16.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/Apr-20.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/Apr-25.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/May-01-1.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/May-01.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/May-03-1.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/May-03-2.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Jun-30.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Sep-15-3.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Oct-02-2.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Aug-02.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Aug-03.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Aug-04.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Aug-16-1.html

    WPF was late, in fact, it was only released as a completed product in November so it clearly has not been used wildly in the market.

    Miguel

  19. Re:Seriously, Miguel, give up by miguel · · Score: 1 · on Miguel Plans Silverlight on Mono & Linux by Years End

    Hello,

    I like to think that my opinion on Avalon is a bit more sophisticated than one post from 2004 (which predated the Ajax revolution, I blogged about Google and Ajax in September 2004, so five months after that post), the following are the files where I cover Xaml, Avalon, Silverlight:

    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2003/Nov-13.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Mar-03.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Mar-11.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Mar-20.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Mar-29.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Apr-24.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Jul-13.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Sep-01.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Sep-09.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Sep-19.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2005/Aug-27-2.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2005/Sep-06.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/Jan-30.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/Mar-06.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/Apr-12.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Apr-13.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/Apr-16.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/Apr-20.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/Apr-25.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/May-01-1.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/May-01.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/May-03-1.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/May-03-2.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Jun-30.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Sep-15-3.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Oct-02-2.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Aug-02.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Aug-03.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Aug-04.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Aug-16-1.html

    WPF was late, in fact, it was only released as a completed product in November so it clearly has not been used wildly in the market.

    Miguel

  20. Re:Seriously, Miguel, give up by miguel · · Score: 1 · on Miguel Plans Silverlight on Mono & Linux by Years End

    Hello,

    I like to think that my opinion on Avalon is a bit more sophisticated than one post from 2004 (which predated the Ajax revolution, I blogged about Google and Ajax in September 2004, so five months after that post), the following are the files where I cover Xaml, Avalon, Silverlight:

    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2003/Nov-13.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Mar-03.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Mar-11.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Mar-20.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Mar-29.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Apr-24.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Jul-13.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Sep-01.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Sep-09.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2004/Sep-19.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2005/Aug-27-2.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2005/Sep-06.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/Jan-30.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/Mar-06.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/Apr-12.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Apr-13.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/Apr-16.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/Apr-20.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/Apr-25.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/May-01-1.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/May-01.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/May-03-1.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/May-03-2.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Jun-30.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Sep-15-3.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Oct-02-2.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Aug-02.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Aug-03.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Aug-04.html
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Aug-16-1.html

    WPF was late, in fact, it was only released as a completed product in November so it clearly has not been used wildly in the market.

    Miguel

  21. Re:Option E by miguel · · Score: 1, Interesting · on Miguel Plans Silverlight on Mono & Linux by Years End

    The problem is that some of us want to have access to content that will be produced with Silverlight

    And some of us don't want there to be lots of content produced with Silverlight. It's bad enough that so much of the content on the web is tied up in little obfuscated applets in Java and Flash as it is. And you honestly believe that Mono implementing Silverlight will actually make a difference as to whether Silverlight succeeds or fails?

    Seriously, there's pretty much only three things these are used for: advertising, low-quality DRM, and toys and games. Exceptions like the Java applets at Greg Egan's site are far and few between, and Google has shown us with Maps and Gmail that you don't *need* these plugins to produce rich content.

    Thank goodness Microsoft's first try failed, and we don't have ActiveX and its security problems on Mac and Linux.

    We don't need a better Silverlight or a better Flash. We need better tools inside the framework that we already have. You are preaching to the choir:

    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/Apr-20.html

    Miguel
  22. Re:Seriously, Miguel, give up by IGnatius+T+Foobar · · Score: 2, Interesting · on Miguel Plans Silverlight on Mono & Linux by Years End
    Miguel says...

    Well, because I believe that Siverlight will become an important component in future applications. The majority of people will probably be happy to spice up their web applications with a little silverlight as it will run on Windows and MacOS.
    I'd like to remind everyone that just a few years ago, Miguel was saying the same thing about XAML. "XAML/Avalon applications will be written, and people will consume them. The worst bit: people will expect their desktop to be able to access these "rich" sites," he said. If the Linux community didn't build a XAML runtime, we'd be left out in the cold, he said.

    Now it's three years later. Where are all of the XAML applications? Where are the thousands of web applications I can't access without a XAML runtime? Miguel has attempted to lead us down this road before.

    AJAX stopped XAML dead in its tracks, at a time when new Microsoft technologies were still considered unstoppable. Why should we believe that Silverlight will be any different?

    I'd also like to remind everyone that even though Silverlight is intended to be a Flash Killer, none of the partnerships Microsoft has announced so far are "wins" from content providers previously committed to Flash. They're all content providers who were already using Windows Media and are simply going to take advantage of a better way of packaging it.

    Finally, there is the issue of software patents. Novell has sold its soul and doesn't have to worry, but what about the rest of us?
  23. Re:Silverlight In Action by gakguk · · Score: 1 · on Microsoft To Open Source Some of Silverlight
    Technologies work with web don't necessarily mean web2.0, and all the new options available to web development are just choices, they all fit for a particular problem. When you dismiss Flash, Silverlight and alikes, you don't propose anything to replace, do you? When you learned ansi C, everything started to look like nails ha? I'd really like to see you in a real life project. One single toolset for all problems is just a myth and you'll learn that when you face more problems.

    For others who have some passion for something new, here are two more links giving some more info:

    Miguel de Icaza
    Scott Hanselman

  24. Re:Saw this earlier this month in Computer magazin by aztracker1 · · Score: 1 · on Open Source Economics and Why IBM Is Winning

    Well, I know it's run by the *EVIL* Novell corporation, but there's always the option of ASP.Net through mono. In fact there was a huge push to extend ASP.Net 2.0 support in mono for the recent Race To Linux contest. It's well supported, with applications making way into the default install for several Linux distros, including Ubuntu.. I mean it's not like any major site is using it...

  25. Don't look on /. for techincal discussion by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0 · on Microsoft Opposing California Open Doc Bill

    Miguel for EOXML:
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/Jan-30.html/

    Rob Weir against:
    http://www.robweir.com/blog/2007/01/more-matter-wi th-less-art.html/

    The comments on Rob's blog are better then /.

    Slahdot is now peopled with Morons. Yes even smart people become drooling morons when you mention MS.
    Go find your roots!

  26. Miguel de Icaza's web log by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative · on De Icaza Pleads For Mono/.Net Cooperation

    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/Mar-26.html

    "The crowd at OSNews got upset because I said advocate more collaboration between Mono and Microosft. It is hardly news, I advocated the same thing in August during an interview that I did with Sam Ramji from Microsoft, before I knew of any MS/Novell collaboration."

  27. Re:Ballmer's reasons by just_another_sean · · Score: 1 · on Ballmer Repeats Threats Against Linux

    then the Novell-MS deal FUD would vanish and Novell would regain much of it's previous respect.

    As much as it pains me to say it, I don't think it's about respect from the community any more with Novell. Sure they have some employees who seem to have drank enough of the kool aid to actually buy into their interoperability arguments but IMHO the people responsible for the deal at the top are looking to cash in on the short term, not further build the community.

    I would love to see them take the position you describe and they will regain my respect if they do; but I'm not going to hold my breath!

  28. It's more than an escape for Novell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0 · on Novell May be Banned from Distributing Linux

    It's more than an patent escape clause for Novell to beat down other distros. Their people have actively been complaining to support MS technologies and making MS technologies a standard at the expense of open source alternatives. This is what MS means by interoperabilitiy (everyone adapts to us on our terms and we don't do a thing to adapt to anyone else).

    Here's a typical example of the shift:
    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2007/Jan-30.html

    Previous to the agreement Miguel said XAML was a very bad idea that solved no problem and Mono would never support it officially. He also said OOXML was a sham, and took pride in all the work he put into making OpenOffice and it's format integral to the desktop (check the logs, Ximian did do a lot of work). His focus was also on getting C# for use on GNOME because he liked the language and thought that the vast pool of books on C# would bring an army of Windows programmers to Linux, in much the same way that the universal adoption of C++ brought Windows C++ programmers to Unix. His only goal at supporting Windows-specific technologies like Winforms was to help with porting to more portable technologies (like GNOME# and Gtk#) or for use in abstraction layers (i.e. use Cocoa for Mac, Gtk# for Linux/Unix, Winforms for Windows).

    After the agreement, it's been a nonstop promotion of OOXML, XAML, and other MS technologies as the primary choice for Linux.

  29. Re:It's XML, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0 · on Open XML Translator for Microsoft Word Available

    Try reading Microsoft's documentation for OOXML. It's 6,000 pages long. Seriously.

    Uh, that's a *good* thing. Have you tried using MS Office recently? It has about a gazillion features. I won't claim that the OOXML spec is good (it's not), but it's not bad because it's long. If it was 34 pages long, it sure would be easy to read, but it would be woefully incomplete -- useless.

    making an XML format that's so complicated that nobody would ever use it

    Well, MS Office is that complicated. Granted, that's not a good thing. But given the choices:
    1. write a short, incomplete spec
    2. make OOXML crippled, and unable to use most of MS Office's features
    3. write a long spec
    is anybody surprised they chose #3?

    To quote somebody who knows more about it than me: "Depending on how you count, ODF has 4 to 10 pages devoted to [spreadsheet formulas and functions]. There is no way you could build a spreadsheet software based on this specification." [source]

  30. Re:WTF: Novell moves to waive SCO's case? by Jezter!*+$nothername · · Score: 1 · on Why the Novell / MS Deal Is Very Bad

    Nick,
    thanks for your reply. My response is, I hope, rational and non-inflammatory. I'm not an MS apologist but am, amongst other things, a SuSE user and a believer in facts before assumptions.
    Whilst I can accept that Novell may be percieved as being niaive for entering any covanent with MS they do have, as quite a few people have pointed out, past experience so may be a little better prepared than they are being given credit for. I would like to think so and am prepared to wait a while before condemning or exonerating their actions and would hope that a few others may do so too.

    ... no outside the company has actually seen the full text.
    So there has to be an element of conjecture about the contents of that agreement? This allows the formulation of any number of scenarios that can arise from the agreement - none of which are provable either way.
    The press release is just that - a public relations announcement. Nowhere in it does it say that Novell are granting MS rights to use their patents (or vice versa), it does say that Novell will not litigate against MS customers for infringement of Novell patents and MS makes the same covenant towards Novell Enterprise customers. Both retain the right to sue each other for patent infringement.

    Whilst I found PJ's original mission (coverage and collation of details of the SCO vs IBM case) admirable, informative and enlightening, I do not take as fact her musings on what may be in a document that she has not seen or upon the thoughts of Eben Moglen. Bear in mind that Moglen said that the covanent doesn't breach GPLv2 but v3 will be written so that it would breach that.
    The removal of the page may have something to do with the fact that this one http://www.novell.com/linux/microsoft/faq_opensour ce.html replaced it.

    So back to, Really?

    Actually, PJ did not use quotation marks around the word "Fork", she either doesn't know what the term means or, if she does, she used it cynically. The contributor to /. who submitted the story used the "fork" notation to try and indicate that it wasn't.
    The plug-in has been on the OOo list of things to do, is an active project on SourceForge and has now been submitted for acceptance.
    You may like to read this to get the official repudiation of PJ's Groklaw FUD http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Dec-04.html at least this is written by someone in a position to actually know about the plug-in.
    The main comment of note, from the documents on Groklaw, are about .Net and Mono where MS say that they are not going to open the source of .Net to the OSS community but the community is free to use Mono if they wish. The mixed message being that there is some .Net infringing code in Mono and Novell SuSE customers would, alone, be exempted from any litigation that MS may institute - I would, again, take that as a FUD item as Mono was built without any MS involvement and can only benefit Microsoft as it enables .Net usage by the *nix community and thus extends their premier delivery medium.

    On your final points, we can agree. Microsoft's past dealings should leave nobody in any doubt of what they can do and deeply wary of their current motives but, to a large extent, this reinforces my point. Microsoft are past masters at generating FUD and they are fully aware that any dealings that they have with the (F)OSS community will generate a high level of conversation (to say the least) and, you will accept, that there is always a readiness within certain groups (on /. - never :)) to fire off verbal canonnades with accompanying fireworks display at anyone and anything that is suspected of consorting with the "devil". They have got a pretty cheap but highly visible a

  31. Miguel de Icaza's Response to Groklaw Article by PineHall · · Score: 1 · on Novell "Forking" OpenOffice.org

    Miguel calls the Groklaw article ignorant and "a good smear".

  32. Re:That's not a fork by matrixhax0r · · Score: 1 · on Novell "Forking" OpenOffice.org

    Parent is right! Please read Novell's response by the man himself!

  33. Re:That's not a fork by Curtman · · Score: 4, Informative · on Novell "Forking" OpenOffice.org
    if shipping a package with an unaccepted patch is considered "forking", then how the fuck is this news?


    Novell forked OpenOffice.org years ago. Here is a press release from back in March that says:

    SUSE Linux Enterprise Desktop is the first fully supported enterprise desktop to deliver OpenOffice.org 2.0, the leading open source office suite. OpenOffice includes a powerful spreadsheet program, business presentations tool and word processor. The Novell® edition of OpenOffice.org will support many Visual Basic macros, closing one of the chief compatibility gaps between OpenOffice.org and Microsoft Office. OpenOffice.org 2.0 can save and open documents created in Microsoft Office formats including Excel pivot tables, and it is the only office suite available today that fully supports the OpenDocument file format, the new public standard for document files. Because OpenDocument is a public standard maintained by the open source community, it eliminates vendor lock-in by ensuring information saved in spreadsheets, documents and presentations is freely accessible to any OpenDocument-supporting application.


    Miguel has a blog entry about this too.
  34. More useful think that explains this patch. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting · on Novell "Forking" OpenOffice.org

    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Dec-04.html

  35. No, we're not stopping this! by bmo · · Score: 2, Interesting · on IBM Weighs In On Novell — Microsoft Deal

    "Need I tell you what Nat has done for GNOME? If anyone represents the community it is Nat and I am sure Miguel de Icaza was not far behind him in his support. By these attacks on Novell, you are attacking the community itself and this will likely lead to splintering it."

    Miguel and the Mono crowd have been splintering the Linux community all by themselves. .NET for Linux? And now this "special" deal for Novell customers indemnifying them against Microsoft lawsuits?

    Miguel and the rest of the Ximian and Mono team should just pack their bags and get the fuck out. This whole deal with Novell and Microsoft was only possible with their help, and probable instigation. I've had misgivings about .NET on Linux ever since the idea was suggested by Miguel and the worst fears have been verified by this new Novell/Microsoft contract.

    Would Miguel swear on his dead ancestors graves that Mono doesn't infringe on Microsoft patents?

    "Similar deals have been done in the past, in 1997 Microsoft signed a similar deal with Apple, and Apple used that agreement and the incoming monies to turn the company around.
    Sun signed a similar agreement with Microsoft in 2004, which at the time I realized enabled Sun to ship Mono on Solaris (which we already supported at that time)."

    That's directly from Miguel's blog at http://tirania.org/blog/ [tirania.org]

    Come again, Miguel? If mono is truely Open Source and non-infringing, what did Sun actually buy from Microsoft?

    Seriously, WHAT THE FUCK?

    --
    BMO

  36. Re:So what happens by L'homme+de+Fromage · · Score: 0 · on Ballmer Says Linux "Infringes Our Intellectual Property"

    Miguel supports this deal.

  37. Re:WHY!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0 · on Red Hat Rejects Microsoft Patent Deal Overtures
    I expect that the Miguel and the monkey-boys are thinking about a mass defection now that their employer is in cahoots with the MicroSatan, they always were a militant bunch.

    Huh?? What on earth are you smoking? Miguel de Icaza supports this deal. He's been pushing for this kind of "collaboration" for years. Not a big surprise, since he's been a Microsoft fanboy for a long time, which is why he applied to work there several years ago (and he has tried to downplay it ever since).
  38. Re:I know what I say. Thank you. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0 · on Samba Team Urges Novell To Reconsider

    I don't know about SUSE developers but De Icaza stated he didn't know about this (which took 6 months according to several in the conference video) until less than a week before the announcement:

    "Although I did not take part of the actual negotiations, and was only told about this deal less than a week before the announcement, I had been calling for a long time for a collaboration between Microsoft and Open Source and Microsoft and Novell."

    from http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Nov-04.html

  39. It's a bit late but I've got one flame to get out. by bmo · · Score: 1 · on New Mono 1.2 Now Supports WinForms

    Miguel and the rest of the Ximian and Mono team should just pack their bags and get the fuck out. This whole deal with Novell and Microsoft was only possible with their help, and probable instigation. I've had misgivings about .NET on Linux ever since the idea was suggested by Miguel and the worst fears have been verified by this new Novell/Microsoft contract.

    Would Miguel swear on his dead ancestors graves that Mono doesn't infringe on Microsoft patents?

    "Similar deals have been done in the past, in 1997 Microsoft signed a similar deal with Apple, and Apple used that agreement and the incoming monies to turn the company around.
    Sun signed a similar agreement with Microsoft in 2004, which at the time I realized enabled Sun to ship Mono on Solaris (which we already supported at that time)."

    That's directly from Miguel's blog at http://tirania.org/blog/

    Come again, Miguel? If mono is truely Open Source and non-infringing, what did Sun actually buy from Microsoft?

    The whole irony of this was that Gnome was created because it was somehow more free than KDE at the time. Shoe's on the other foot now, eh?

    --
    BMO

  40. Re:Patent Agreement by nonmaskable · · Score: 1 · on Is the Microsoft/Novell Deal a Litigation Bomb?

    Yes. He has some comments on his blog, promising more to come

    http://tirania.org/blog/index.html

    But here is the money quote.

    So today we have secured a peace of mind for Novell customers that might have been worried about possible patent infringements open source deployments. This matters in particular for Mono, because for a long time its been the favorite conversation starter for folks that find dates on Slashdot.

    Notice the "for Novell customers" part. So any part of the community not a Novell customer seems to still have a problem.

  41. .NET already has this by tiedemann · · Score: 1 · on Sun Backs Ruby by Hiring Main JRuby Developers

    There seems to be an ongoing effort to make ruby run well on the .NET-framework aswell, check out IronRuby or Ruby.NET for further reading. Ruby.NET supposedly runs on Mono although it requires a few patches.

  42. Apple fell in love with Ruby?? by gnufied · · Score: 2, Insightful · on Apple Announces New Open Source Efforts

    http://weblog.rubyonrails.org/2006/8/7/ruby-on-rai ls-will-ship-with-os-x-10-5-leopard "The love for Ruby has definitely spread inside Apple and we've been thrilled to see the level of interest they've taken to get OS X to be a premiere development and deployment platform for Rails." So what happened to a rather fruitful discussion, we had with Steve jobs. http://apple.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=172223&c id=14341270 Yeah, I know you may still argue like James Golsings that Ruby is alright for generating web pages(mind you *generating*, doesn't it shows the contempt/disregard on the part of James Goslings for Web Developers?).But still shipping a framework is too much.Even none of the flavours of GNU/Linux has done it.But i guess, Apple will eat its own humble pie, when it sees a business sense. Ruby on Rails + Textmate and the push by Rails core team, has created new OS X users.So, lets cash on it.There is nothing called "love for Ruby", as put up by, this guy on the Rails blog.If there is a love, why don't they help in writting Ruby bindings for Cocoa?? I am 101% sure, if tomorrow, there is a "Rails" for GUI development. http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Aug-02.html, Apple will again eat its own humble pie(or cow dung, depending upong your GeoIP), and will ship it with OS X. But i am not interested, I am from India and will cost me a arm and a leg to lay hand on this half baked open sorsed(actually not open at all, if you call Mac open, then Windows is open too!!, but the way Mac zealots project Apple as less evil is funny.I remember, Galadariel talking to Frodo, "if you give me the ring frodo, then you will have a queen in place of dark lord Sauron.And she will be fair, white and terrible to behold." Ahh..there is go again, may not be the exact words, but that is beside the point. I just have this point that, Apple doesn't seem evil as long as M$ is there, but there it gains the ruling ring(the monopoly), it will be one for sure.) product.I am happy with Ubuntu. Thank you very much for your open kernel.(I am bothered to read your license also)

  43. Miguel de Icaza's comments by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0 · on Start-Up Delivers Open Source Offerings to Build User Base

    "They created a framework for building web applications, the dream framework. It is mostly focused on the back-end side of things. The framework allows developers to easily create REST services, with a number of interesting features.

    [...]

    And they ported MediaWiki to run on top of this framework, this port is DekiWiki. It differs from MediaWiki in that they have a GUI designer for the page, it is quite nice. [...] I am told that they are porting the entire MediaWiki to C# as well.

    Aside from the high-level descriptions, there are a couple of interesting bits about Dream, the framework and applications are designed assuming that network connectivity could go down at any point, that the network will likely fail. A focus on making fault tolerant applications.

    Currently Dream and DekiWiki run out of the box with Mono

    [...]

    I told Urs that I would migrate www.mono-project.com to it, but it first has to be ported to C# ;-) "

    http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Jul-27.html

  44. Re:Understandable by miguel · · Score: 2, Informative · on The Curious Incident of Sun in the Night-Time
    We started Mono for our own reasons (you can read the rationale I wrote around the time of Mono's launch here) and I have expanded on that a number of times ever since.

    Free Java was making its own inroads and there were several people working on various angles of it (Kaffe, the Transgaming company, Classpath, Japhar and much more). The fact that a full Java later struggled is a topic worth debating, and I have put some thoughts in a recent blog post here.

    Now, that being said, I am amused by your suggestion that *I* have to work on the projects that *you* consider important.

    If you consider free Java important enough, you should step up and make it happen (contribute code, time or money). Am surprised that I have to spell this out for you.

    Miguel.

  45. Re:Understandable by jdclucidly · · Score: 1 · on The Curious Incident of Sun in the Night-Time

    Actually Miguel completely and utterly obliterates your argument in his latest blog post about Java. In short, FOSS has been slow to implement it because a free as in beer version has always been available. This is the same reason that the FOSS implementation of a Flash Player is so far behind.

    .NET on the other had absolution NO implementation on Linux. So they got both types of FOSS contributors: those who just want some version of it on Linux and those who what it Free (as in speech).

  46. Re:That's kind of a cheap shot... by miguel · · Score: 1 · on Red Hat Not Satisfied with Sun's New Java License
    I actually find myself in agreement with this comment.

    As I discussed on my blog (here) none of the reasons in the article seemed to go to the core of the issue.

    The real issue here is having an "enterprise grade" Java implementation to go with the recent JBoss acquisition. I do not know if people routinely run JBoss on a full open source stack, but I would doubt that many people are willing to go that way, yet.

    I said on the blog:


    Now, on the other hand, everyone clamoring for Sun to open source Java seems to be tacitly admitting that free software can not compete in out-engineering a proprietary company if the proprietary company gives their goods for free, a point that I have made previously ("Fork in the Open Source Java world" and Open Source Java, Part 2). Tom Tromey did have an interesting follow up to my negative outlook (finding the post is an exercise for the reader).

  47. Re:What happened to all last years projects? by yogikoudou · · Score: 5, Informative · on Summer of Code 2006 is On

    Miguel de Icaza, founder of the Mono project, made a blog post yesterday about the state of the SoC projects for Mono : http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Apr-13.html
    11 projects out of 16 were continued, 6 students still being involved in Mono today.

    The Mozilla project had far less chance : None of the 10 projects are alive as of today : http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/gerv/archives/2006/ 03/summer_of_code_six_months_on.html

    I guess they'll be more carefull about the motivations of the people the choose this year...

  48. Re:Summer of Code 2005 was teh fail by nanop · · Score: 3, Informative · on Summer of Code 2006 is On
    It seems that the mono project had better results: http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2006/Apr-13.html
    • 3 projects never completed (QNX, CIL C++ extensions, XSLT compiler).
    • 2 projects half-done, and the resulting code is not very useful (Ruby.NET and GCC CIL).
    • 11 projects that were completed to our satisfaction (Cecil/write support, MSBuild implementation, ASP.NET GUI designer, bug finder, XAML Compiler, Diva Video Editor, PHP Compiler for .NET, Monodoc improvements, Windows.Forms' DataGridView and JScript class library implementation)
  49. Re:-1 Redundant by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1, Troll · on Apple to Offer Monthly iTunes TV Subscriptions

    Hey, Apple fags.

    Apple has patented RSS, a technology that they did not invent or contribute to in any meaningful way.

  50. LINQ is not MSSQL-only by ravenlock · · Score: 2, Insightful · on Fedora Core 5 includes Mono

    Wrong. If you watch the video of Anders Hejlsberg demonstrating LINQ, you'll notice that it's a language feature, not a MSSQL-only layer, and he actually demonstrates using LINQ not only with MSSQL but XML documents and arrays (IIRC) too.
    Miguel De Icaza's comment on the video was "Anders Hejlsberg is a man of excellent taste"

    The video is a bit on the long side, but it's well worth it if you're interested in the topic :)