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Re:Yes popularized
> Look at the MacOS GUI pre and post Amiga OS.
Ok, here is Mac System 1.1 (1984):
http://toastytech.com/guis/mac11deskicons.gifHere is System 7 (1991) in black and white mode:
https://archive.org/serve/AppleMacintoshSystem701/00_screenshot.pngI'm trying hard to see any significant difference...there just isn't much change pre- and post-Amiga.
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Re: Could be worse
> In January '84 the only GUIs actually on the market were
Yup, GUI's were all the rage in the mid 80's.
> and a remarkably craptacular version of Windows
While Windows 1.0 was announced in 1983 it doesn't actually ship until November 20, 1985. Ironically a Microsoft engineer coined the term "vaporware" due to it taking so long! Who knew.
> GEMS was a year later
GEM (not GEMS), announced in 1984, was released on 28 February 1985 before Windows. Ventura Publisher, released in 1986, the first DTP on PCs used GEM. I'm not sure why it took until the March 1987 issue of Infoworld to review it (lead in time?). Technically, Aldus Pagemaker 1.0 was released in July 1985 for Mac OS but it didn't get ported over to Windows 1.0 until 1987.
And in 1986 GEOS was released.
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Re:Real-world examples
I remember running the 1.44 MB floppy QNX demo. http://toastytech.com/guis/qnxdemo.html It booted to a GUI, web browser, ppp stack and modem dialer and a few tiny utilities. QNX boasted its microkernel would stay in 486 internal cache.
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Re:Having used a Commodore their was more issues
The C64 did windows. You didn't even need Bill Gates to wash them.
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Re:No
There's a fork of an older Seamonkey release that supports HTML5 and runs on Windows 95.
http://toastytech.com/files/95browsing.html
Though it might be a bit challenging to get Windows 95 going on modern hardware. If I remember right there's a bug that will BSOD Windows 95 on boot once you get past about 400-500 MHz or so with clock speed. There's a patch, but you have to apply the patch from within Windows...
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MS will crush the Amazon device.Microsoft has such a long lead in getting its product and long experience it is going to just crush the competition.
Just look at this beauty!. Developers are being recalled from retirement, as we speak. The floppy disks with source code has been found. And amazingly there is still a drive that can copy the files. MsDev Windows 10 has an emulator to run WinXP, and if you run WinXP MsDev in that emulator you would get the emulator for the 16 bit subsystem. Add an emulator for monochrome Hecules Graphics card and the Lotus RAMDrive support, you got something going baby!
What a lead, how many years of experience Microsoft has in getting its software into the living rooms from offices! wow! It is going to be fun, watching crush match!
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This is not the banana you are looking for
Try over there
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Re:This totally breaks the rendering speed.
The UI is not slow.
What's slow is the fact you're loading MEGABYTE APPLICATIONS full of commands through the web that have to be processed before display.
Go to a 90's era website with HTML3.2. Watch how magically fast everything is displayed.
Check out the old website, "Internet Explorer is Evil":
Watch how magically fast the animated GIF backgrounds display. How magically instantaneous the text renders. Why? NO CSS. NO JAVASCRIPT. No 5 MB app being downloaded.
And even then CSS and JS don't have to be slow. But people designing these websites simply don't give a shit about speed. Have you ever tried to load a Google Document on a Netbook with an Atom processor? Apparently a dual-core CPU with 2 GB of RAM isn't enough TO DISPLAY TEXT and if you try and multi-task it'll bring your computer to a complete halt. I've literally had to panic close tabs in Linux with my netbook with Google Docs open with other tabs, because if it starts getting laggy, it'll quickly get to the point it freezes the whole computer (>15 seconds between mouse moving) and it's actually faster to reboot the entire thing. (SSD ftw.)
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Re:QNX just called.
The problem with QNX is that it was purchased by Blackberry/RIM, so I fully expect it has been backdoored for easy access by the RCMP/CSIS now.
Though the old version 4 floppy demo is probably still safe.
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WTF?!?! CmdrTaco should kick your butts!
Are you kidding me?!?! Did they really just ask "Do you use any Linux-based operating system?" It seems that our fairly new corporate overlords have no understanding of the
Granted there are more Microsoftians around these days and, sure, WinBlows doesn't blow like it used to but I think the Dice newbs should be forced to go back and re-read the entire site archive, Ludovico style, starting with Chips&Dips. -
Re:So what's replacing it?
Some time after windows 95 was released.
See: http://toastytech.com/guis/cal...Again sorry my mistake it has been a very long time since ive seen a 3.x system running.
Windows 3.11 did not include a start menu. The other comments are correct that it was not introduced until windows 95.
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Re: No thanks
Have you ever seen A/UX's Commando dialogs?
They were an interesting idea and very helpful to me when I was learning command line options, but I think Apple realized that the GUI users weren't going to do command line options anyway, and the command line users preferred man pages to radio buttons!
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Re:OS X caught up???
So you are saying that OS X is "innovative" because it consists largely of 1980's technology (NextStep, BSD, Smalltalk, OO dev tools)? Seems to me that that makes it about three decades behind the times.
Anyone who would look at OS X and say "this looks like an '80s OS" has got a screw loose.
The core technologies in OS X are quite mature, but the innovations in the UI set the pace for the 2000s.
Remember what Windows looked like before OS X came along? What Linux looked like?
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Re:Really?
QNX fit a realtime OS with GUI, file browser, web browser, notepad and demos on a 1.44MB diskette.
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Re:How about crediting the original designers
Because we're talking about a decent, enduring bit of iconography, as opposed to the abysmal set that the Xerox system used http://toastytech.com/guis/gvs...
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Re:Do it like Linux
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Re:Do it like Linux
I'll throw some screenshots here so people can compare easily.
- Windows 3.1
- Windows 95
- Windows 7
- Windows 10 new icons from the article
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Re:Indeed, BSD is already a popular desktop OS
It was suggested that a Mac made a good replacement for my Linux desktop since it was so Unixy. But the part that matters to me really isn't.
Hmmm. I'm not sure what they meant by, "Unixy," but the Mac OS X interface never struck me as particularly Unixy (nor did NeXT before it). It has always been Mac-like, even if the Great Leap to Aqua meant accepting certain un-Mac-like things like filename extensions. X has always been kind of a different mindset from other GUIs, but I agree it would be nice for the GUI to be customizable to fit whatever you're used to.
Incidentally, did you ever use A/UX? Its GUI always seemed a bit schizophrenic to me in how it somewhat arbitrarily melded certain Mac features with certain Unix features, but in many ways I think it was a better integration of Mac & Unix than OS X is.
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Re:emulator?
Yes -- see this: http://toastytech.com/guis/sal...
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Re:It would be interesting
Cross-compiling to a modern machine would definitely be interesting. As others have noted, many applications were written in BCPL with bits of assembly language (very similar to Nova assembly language) plus microcode for "tight loops" such as BITBLT. There is also a simulator called Salto, written by Juergen Buchmueller, that works well enough to give a feel for the Alto but still has bugs. This page has
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Re:Or not
Why? Because we don't need training wheels any more.
Continuing the web analogy, back in the 1990s, we needed blue or purple permanently underlined text to indicate a link. Now we are more sophisticated and don't need to have it spelled out in the same way on every page. As a result designers have more scope for making pages look attractive. On occasions when you find a page that hasn't been updated since the 1990s, it's horrendously ugly.
On native UIs, it used to be the case that every toolbar icon had it's own box, to show that it was clickable button. But that was abandoned more than a decade ago, with no loss. No one wants that anymore. Here's reminders of button toolbars:
http://toastytech.com/guis/win...
http://lscr.berkeley.edu/advic...You see it's been a long time since every clickable thing in a UI needed to be dressed up as a button. Yosemite is just another step towards a less fussy UI that accentuates the content rather than unnecessary chrome.
As to the save icon, I have't see a floppy disk icon for years. Not because it's been replaced by a different icon, but because on a modern OS it shouldn't be necessary for the user to initiate saving their data, other than the first time to give it a name. Closing a window autosaves, prompting for a filename if it doesn't already have one. And autosaves happen periodically inbetween times.
If you think UIs should stop, where do you think? Some people (particulary Linux fans) think they should have stopped at CLIs. Do you think they should have stopped at Mac OS 9? Windows 95? What makes you think that the UI as of 6 months ago was the perfect place to stop?
The reality is most people are a bit reactionary. They don't like change when it happens. But once they get used to the change, they look back at the old thing they wanted to keep, and realise it was worse.
At some point, I predict that someone high enough in the food chain is going to realize that the emperor has no clothes, and people actually like shine, gloss, transparency, gradients, and color schemes other than white on white (Apple) or kindergarten construction paper (Microsoft), and we'll see a return to those types of design elements.
Actually Yosemite introduces some transparency that wasn't there before. That is a mistake, and I predict that will disappear, along with all the other cheap embellishments you list. Part of the reason they were there is that gradients and shadows can pimp up relatively low resolution displays. The eye doesn't pick out jaggies so much if you blend colors. With new retina displays, beautiful design can come with accurate hard edges, both in typography and in graphical elements.
You seem to think it's just a matter of fashion. For sure there's some fashion in there, but there are other more real motivations that guide where that fashion goes. And there's no reason for it to go back to novelty lickable items and pseudo 3D.
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Re:Yes multiple desktops!
Xerox Rooms was one: http://toastytech.com/guis/xrm...
Symantec's Norton Navigator for Windows 95 included a virtual desktop feature as well and it integrated into the taskbar. http://www.danielsays.com/ss-g...
Whats odd is that until recently, only X11 windows managers seemed to have the feature standard. Apple only added the feature a few years ago to OS X, and now Windows finally has it. -
Re:I am using Windows 8
Is "Classic Shell" like "Classic Coke"?
Or is that more like Norton Desktop for Windows?
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Re:Why?
The beta site feels like the kind of place where one would expect hear "We only support Windows, Mac, and Linux with current IE, Chrome, or Firefox".
let's take a moment to reflect on what Slashdot HAS run on over the years.
Here are just a few screen shots I have handy:
Amiga
http://toastytech.com/guis/ami...BreadBox (GeoWorks)
http://toastytech.com/guis/bbe...BeOS
http://toastytech.com/guis/b5p...QNX 1.44MB demo floppy:
http://toastytech.com/guis/qnx...MacOS 7.5.5
http://toastytech.com/guis/mac...OpenStep:
http://toastytech.com/guis/ope...Lynx:
http://toastytech.com/guis/tex...Windows NT 3.51 (this actually shows a version of SeaMonkey modified specifically to view current Slashdot correctly!)
http://toastytech.com/files/Se... -
Re:Why?
The beta site feels like the kind of place where one would expect hear "We only support Windows, Mac, and Linux with current IE, Chrome, or Firefox".
let's take a moment to reflect on what Slashdot HAS run on over the years.
Here are just a few screen shots I have handy:
Amiga
http://toastytech.com/guis/ami...BreadBox (GeoWorks)
http://toastytech.com/guis/bbe...BeOS
http://toastytech.com/guis/b5p...QNX 1.44MB demo floppy:
http://toastytech.com/guis/qnx...MacOS 7.5.5
http://toastytech.com/guis/mac...OpenStep:
http://toastytech.com/guis/ope...Lynx:
http://toastytech.com/guis/tex...Windows NT 3.51 (this actually shows a version of SeaMonkey modified specifically to view current Slashdot correctly!)
http://toastytech.com/files/Se... -
Re:Why?
The beta site feels like the kind of place where one would expect hear "We only support Windows, Mac, and Linux with current IE, Chrome, or Firefox".
let's take a moment to reflect on what Slashdot HAS run on over the years.
Here are just a few screen shots I have handy:
Amiga
http://toastytech.com/guis/ami...BreadBox (GeoWorks)
http://toastytech.com/guis/bbe...BeOS
http://toastytech.com/guis/b5p...QNX 1.44MB demo floppy:
http://toastytech.com/guis/qnx...MacOS 7.5.5
http://toastytech.com/guis/mac...OpenStep:
http://toastytech.com/guis/ope...Lynx:
http://toastytech.com/guis/tex...Windows NT 3.51 (this actually shows a version of SeaMonkey modified specifically to view current Slashdot correctly!)
http://toastytech.com/files/Se... -
Re:Why?
The beta site feels like the kind of place where one would expect hear "We only support Windows, Mac, and Linux with current IE, Chrome, or Firefox".
let's take a moment to reflect on what Slashdot HAS run on over the years.
Here are just a few screen shots I have handy:
Amiga
http://toastytech.com/guis/ami...BreadBox (GeoWorks)
http://toastytech.com/guis/bbe...BeOS
http://toastytech.com/guis/b5p...QNX 1.44MB demo floppy:
http://toastytech.com/guis/qnx...MacOS 7.5.5
http://toastytech.com/guis/mac...OpenStep:
http://toastytech.com/guis/ope...Lynx:
http://toastytech.com/guis/tex...Windows NT 3.51 (this actually shows a version of SeaMonkey modified specifically to view current Slashdot correctly!)
http://toastytech.com/files/Se... -
Re:Why?
The beta site feels like the kind of place where one would expect hear "We only support Windows, Mac, and Linux with current IE, Chrome, or Firefox".
let's take a moment to reflect on what Slashdot HAS run on over the years.
Here are just a few screen shots I have handy:
Amiga
http://toastytech.com/guis/ami...BreadBox (GeoWorks)
http://toastytech.com/guis/bbe...BeOS
http://toastytech.com/guis/b5p...QNX 1.44MB demo floppy:
http://toastytech.com/guis/qnx...MacOS 7.5.5
http://toastytech.com/guis/mac...OpenStep:
http://toastytech.com/guis/ope...Lynx:
http://toastytech.com/guis/tex...Windows NT 3.51 (this actually shows a version of SeaMonkey modified specifically to view current Slashdot correctly!)
http://toastytech.com/files/Se... -
Re:Why?
The beta site feels like the kind of place where one would expect hear "We only support Windows, Mac, and Linux with current IE, Chrome, or Firefox".
let's take a moment to reflect on what Slashdot HAS run on over the years.
Here are just a few screen shots I have handy:
Amiga
http://toastytech.com/guis/ami...BreadBox (GeoWorks)
http://toastytech.com/guis/bbe...BeOS
http://toastytech.com/guis/b5p...QNX 1.44MB demo floppy:
http://toastytech.com/guis/qnx...MacOS 7.5.5
http://toastytech.com/guis/mac...OpenStep:
http://toastytech.com/guis/ope...Lynx:
http://toastytech.com/guis/tex...Windows NT 3.51 (this actually shows a version of SeaMonkey modified specifically to view current Slashdot correctly!)
http://toastytech.com/files/Se... -
Re:Why?
The beta site feels like the kind of place where one would expect hear "We only support Windows, Mac, and Linux with current IE, Chrome, or Firefox".
let's take a moment to reflect on what Slashdot HAS run on over the years.
Here are just a few screen shots I have handy:
Amiga
http://toastytech.com/guis/ami...BreadBox (GeoWorks)
http://toastytech.com/guis/bbe...BeOS
http://toastytech.com/guis/b5p...QNX 1.44MB demo floppy:
http://toastytech.com/guis/qnx...MacOS 7.5.5
http://toastytech.com/guis/mac...OpenStep:
http://toastytech.com/guis/ope...Lynx:
http://toastytech.com/guis/tex...Windows NT 3.51 (this actually shows a version of SeaMonkey modified specifically to view current Slashdot correctly!)
http://toastytech.com/files/Se... -
Re:Why?
The beta site feels like the kind of place where one would expect hear "We only support Windows, Mac, and Linux with current IE, Chrome, or Firefox".
let's take a moment to reflect on what Slashdot HAS run on over the years.
Here are just a few screen shots I have handy:
Amiga
http://toastytech.com/guis/ami...BreadBox (GeoWorks)
http://toastytech.com/guis/bbe...BeOS
http://toastytech.com/guis/b5p...QNX 1.44MB demo floppy:
http://toastytech.com/guis/qnx...MacOS 7.5.5
http://toastytech.com/guis/mac...OpenStep:
http://toastytech.com/guis/ope...Lynx:
http://toastytech.com/guis/tex...Windows NT 3.51 (this actually shows a version of SeaMonkey modified specifically to view current Slashdot correctly!)
http://toastytech.com/files/Se... -
Can't leave good enough alone.
I've seen so many products and sites go in this direction over the years, it makes me sick. Something reaches near perfection and then someone decides to rewrite it in Java or
Slashdot doesn't need some redesign. It just needs a few bugs fixed.
Where did they even get the idea that anyone wants any of that stuff on the beta site? Large fonts, huge pictures, HTML 9000 or whatever it is at today. What does Dice think this site is, I Can Has Cheezeburger? Actually, even THAT site went downhill after a bogged down redesign.
A real geek site would work great running on an Amiga using HTML 3. Oh, right, we had that:
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Bob
I heard Goldman Sachs still runs Bob on 3/4s of its PCs.
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Re:Missed the Problem
However, the BIG difference I saw between the two schools was hiring:
Perhaps that more an artifact of short-sighted managers and HR people. I got inconsistent grades in school (always working part-time) and have a BSCS from Old Dominion University (from 1987, yes I'm old) and have never had a problem getting a well-paying job. During the interview for my first job, the company president (it was a small software development firm) remarked than he especially like that my college experience involved more than just taking classes and such. In addition to being a grader for (under)graduate CS classes and assisted with professors' research papers as part of my financial aid, I was a research assistant on an AI project in LISP and PROLOG, funded by NASA - focusing on automatic analysis and evaluation using abstract data types. (The Xerox 1108 Dandelion system running InterLISP-D at my desk was amazing, especially for 1985 - I still have the InterLISP-D manual.)
It's not where you go to school, but what you do while you're there...
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Really want this to suceed
I really want this to succeed. First of all, QNX is awesome. I had the pleasure of working with it back in the day when they had the 1.44M demo disk (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_VlI6IBEJ0 has a video). At a time when GNU/Linux was working on getting POSIX-compliant and X was clunky and required some expertise to set up, QNX offered an OS with POSIX-compliance, real-time capabilities, a package manager, a GUI that worked out of the box, and managed to produce a 1.44M bootable diskette that showed off the OS with GUI and web browser.
Secondly, I want my software to be efficient. I'm sure you can do great things with J2ME, Dalvik, or even HTHL and JavaScript. But if you want the best performance or resources are at a premium (hello, battery-powered mobile devices!), you can do better by being closer to the metal. And we have APIs and programming languages that allow us to program closer to the metal. BlackBerry allows us to use those APIs and languages. The author of TFA makes fun of the BlackBerry APIs being in C. I see that as an advantage. You can easily build abstractions on top of low-level APIs. Getting efficiency back once it's been lost in someone's abstraction layer isn't as easy.
So, while it seems popular to make fun of BlackBerry these days, I really want them to succeed. I think they've made a great product that deserves our consideration. Of course, they have low market share and strong competitors - but then again, so did Apple when they launched the iPhone, and Google when they launched Android.
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Re:VisiCalc
Xerox Bravo (1974), Xerox Gypsy (1975), and Xerox Markup (not sure of exact year, in the vicinity). As a general rule, whatever you can think of, PARC had it ten years earlier. By the late eighties they were working on a PDA/tablet/smart surface, touch-driven ecosystem.
Point being—people disproportionate weight on programs that they experienced. It's the same story whenever an amateur writes a computer history article; a few pages of nostalgic bullshit without any real research. Yes, it's significant that the Mac programs (which, oh by the way, already existed on the Lisa, too!) were popular, but severely erroneous to give them all the scrutiny. As historians we should endeavour to look past our own biases and provide an accurate image of history, not play favourites with specific products.
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Flashback
Speaking about minimal bootable OSs, I just had a flashback to this 1.44mb bootable QNX tech demo, which includes a GUI, network stack and javascript capable browser (also check out the vintage slashdot screenshot at the bottom)
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Re:Yes.
Have you seen Bob's haircut? Shear is correct.
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Re:Either Microsoft stole it from this guy
http://toastytech.com/guis/win31logo.png
I'd say it was the other way around. Microsoft has just adapted a variation of the Windows Logo as their company logo.
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Re:That looks...
Did they ever open source SunView?
That takes me back:
http://toastytech.com/guis/sv35.html
Suntools (as SunView was originally known) was my first true GUI (I hadn't used a Mac or GEM and Windows 3 hadn't yet been launched). A Sun workstation running this in the 80s, complete with optical mouse and huge monitor, looked about 5 years in advance of anything else I could get time on. Now get off my lawn.
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Re:twisted pair, twisted logic
"Why exactly do we need to pay continual homage to Xerox? To create more urban legends instead of dispel and dismiss them?"
Having used some of those Xerox workstations "back in the day", they had practically everything that we consider a normal, networked, GUI-based operating system today. They were far ahead of their time. Unfortunately the hardware struggled with the task, and they were crazy expensive, but they were very cool systems that had the right idea. I worked with some secretaries who used these systems. They were intuitive systems that made sense to non-techies. Being able to simply fire files around from desktop to desktop between a bunch of networked machines was amazing (every machine had an "inbox" and "outbox", and documents could be composed on several machines, compiled together from several people, then printed to big laser printers). It's hard to appreciate how innovative this stuff was, given that practically all of it we take for granted today.
I don't know if they deserve much credit for "the Internet" as a whole, but they do deserve it for modern GUI-based, networked operating systems with a "desktop" metaphor, and they did come up with Ethernet, which eventually became the most widely-deployed wired network standard for computers. Homage paid to the Xerox Star workstations and related systems developed at PARC is well-deserved.
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Simple vs. oversimplified (and not clean)
Sure, we all attacked XP for looking like a Fisher-Price toy, and slammed Vista because the hardware requirements meant a lot of people either couldn't use Aero or (as in my case) install Vista at all.
Compare the Windows 8 UI to that of Windows 98, though. While they're both much simpler than recent releases, the older one actually did make use of visual cues like gradients -- and it allowed the user to decide what color the various window elements should be. The new UI's lack of color to distinguish between parts of windows or shadows to differentiate windows made those screenshots look cluttered and a bit chaotic, as there are no visual cues to tell the user at a glance where the text/icons belong.
Comparing Windows 8 to various Amiga screenshots, from what I can tell the Amiga at least included bevels on its windows and outlined various user elements... What Windows 8 really reminds me of is the Apple IIgs operating system, though even GS/OS bothered to put lines in the titlebar to direct the eye towards the title.
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Re:True #1 Feature!
(Nah, only 1.0. Read all about it here.)
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Re:GPL is poison to business
But as far as successful OSes with different GUIs DOS had: Windows16, Many Dos shells particularly popular was WordPerfect's.
And JavaOS (dumb phones) which is possibly one of the most successful OSes of all time has more GUIs than I can even list.You're down to counting DOS Shells and Java PHONE OSes as GUIs?!? Hahahahahahaha!!!!
By the way, you forgot the (most-excellent) GS/OS and Quark Catalyst and MouseDesk and also GEOS for the Apple
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Re:GPL is poison to business
But as far as successful OSes with different GUIs DOS had: Windows16, Many Dos shells particularly popular was WordPerfect's.
And JavaOS (dumb phones) which is possibly one of the most successful OSes of all time has more GUIs than I can even list.You're down to counting DOS Shells and Java PHONE OSes as GUIs?!? Hahahahahahaha!!!!
By the way, you forgot the (most-excellent) GS/OS and Quark Catalyst and MouseDesk and also GEOS for the Apple
But you know that's not what we were talking about... -
Re:GPL is poison to business
But as far as successful OSes with different GUIs DOS had: Windows16, Many Dos shells particularly popular was WordPerfect's.
And JavaOS (dumb phones) which is possibly one of the most successful OSes of all time has more GUIs than I can even list.You're down to counting DOS Shells and Java PHONE OSes as GUIs?!? Hahahahahahaha!!!!
By the way, you forgot the (most-excellent) GS/OS and Quark Catalyst and MouseDesk and also GEOS for the Apple
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Re:Apple practically invented patent trolling
That's certainly an informative piece—so thank you—although I think I can resolutely say that while Apple didn't steal it from Xerox, they did definitely steal it from PARC:
Then, in exchange for the opportunity to invest in a hot new pre-IPO start-up called "Apple," the Xerox PARC commandos were forced — under protest — to give Apple’s engineers a tour and a demonstration of their work.
That being said, I don't completely trust the article by Mr. Landley being quoted, because it perpetuates the misunderstanding that Windows was purely derived from Xerox and the Macintosh; this is annoyingly in ignorance of VisiCorp Visi On, and that Windows was already under development when the consumer GUI market consisted of the Lisa and Visi On.
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GEOS
Can't believe I still remember this... Load "*",8,1 My first introduction to a graphical GUI was GEOS: http://toastytech.com/guis/c64g.html
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Re:Option to connect to an old-school TV
Fruit-based name.
I'm still hoping for the Banana jr. series to be revived...
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Chips & Dips archive
Just to throw a little more nostalgia on the fire, here is a copy of an archive of Chips & Dips pulled from archive.org before they started blocking retrieval due to a current robots.txt: http://toastytech.com/files/chipsndips.html
Never could find a copy of the original logo graphic.
I guess nobody ever did recover any of the really early Slashdot stores or comments lost in that crash early on. I seem to recall someone saying they had some partial backup tapes.
At any rate, good luck CmdrTaco!
