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PG&E has been generating electricity from geothermal energy for decades. See http://www.unocal.com/geopower/evolution/

What does it profit America to gain the whole world, and lose its soul?

I don't think
those are
the type of
profits
they are
worried
about.

Since they never do anything like that on their own...

21 members of the Bin Laden family were flown out of the country on special chartered flights on September 13 while all other flights were grounded. They were NEVER questioned on Osama at all and there is no clear reason why they were given free flight out without interrogation.
Not only was this authorized by Dick Clark himself, but the bin Laden family had also disowned Osama a while back. Do you expect to be detained / questioned it your disowned nephew, with whom you haven't talked in twenty years, goes and kills someone?

Prior to the war in Afghanistan, there were plans on the board to put in a gas pipeline through the country. Members of the Taliban visited Texas regarding the issue. The project was abandoned after the US bombed Afghanistan in 1999. After the recent war, Hamid Karzai was made the leader. The papers were signed giving the green light for the pipline. Prior to being the leader, Karzai was a consultant for one of the companies trying to build the pipeline.
Where is the pipeline? What evidence is there that is it being constructed? Unocal, the company which was originally planning on making the pipeline, issued this statement, categorically affirming that they have "no plans or interest in becoming involved in any projects in Afghanistan." So, which company is building the pipeline?

As for those who feel that there are no lies, and want facts to back them up, I only hope I am posting this soon enough for people to read. First off, the movie asserts that Bush invaded Afghanistan for oil and natural gas pipelines, however, I point the the Unocol, the US company of the group that had planned to build a pipeline: Withdrawl Notice

Unocal notes that they do not want to have anything to do with afghanistan, and determined that it is not in their best interest to develop a pipeline. While Afghanistan has different ideas Unocal still is staying away.

Michael Moore also asserts that the White House was responsible for the Saudi and Bin Laden families getting out of the United States. Richard Clarke, however, who has been critical of the White House and had been endorsed by Moore had this to say: "I take responsibility for it. I don't think it was a mistake, and I'd do it again." FBI and Clarke Respond

And as for Moore's filmmaking style, I felt particularly horrified at the blacked out screen and sounds of the attack on 9/11 the first time, when I viewed a film called 11'09''01 - September 11 by Alejandro Inarritu. As Picasso said, good artists copy, great artists steal.

And as for lounging around at the school afterwards being an 'idiot' and not acting presidential, I leave you with a letter, offered by a guidance councilor from the school about that day: Emma E. Booker - Lee Martello

I agree, people have rights to make movies, however how did such simple things get past Moore's fact checking? That he even avoided implicating his buddy Richard Clarke in his movie in favor of lying and slandering the President? I don't agree with the President on a lot of things, but I do hate Michael Moore. I would hate him if he was Conservative too. I don't believe in propaganda, I believe strongly in the written truth. I do believe that Saddam Hussein killed people, and i highly doubt he had a Kennel of kittens and puppies that he played with on a daily basis (not seen in the movie, but not proven false, either). The fact that he hung people from meat hooks, used chemical weapons on his own people, and funded suicide bombers and harbored the murderer from the Achille Lauro terrorist incident should not be forgotten.

I offer this as a voice against those who have watched this movie and have taken it at face value. Do your research, look around the news, "use some critical thinking" as my Professors often say. Dig deeper into this movie than just being fanboys. You'll find that, just like in Bownling for Columbine, he has lied about things, many things, and while it is his perogative to, that he does have the right to, just because you have the right, doesn't mean its right.

cite your source please. And how exactly would the US benefit from this? Such a pipeline would presumably connect Russian oil to the Indian ocean. Sounds like they would benefit not the US. Either way, never heard of it.

There is a widely covered and debated theory that such a pipeline, along with a desire to increase US influence with neighbouring (oil rich) former soviet republics, formed part of the motivation to invade Afganistan.

Such a pipeline has been proposed by a number of US oil companies, including a group involving Unocal in '97, although they cancelled this project due to issues related to lack of co-operation from the Taliban and later accusations of terrorism. The project has since been reprised by the Afgani government and a multi-national group, although Unocal was continuing to disavow any planned involvement.

This has been widely covered in the mainstream press since the conflict began (and also picked up and elaborated on by a number of the "kookier" ones). While I generally agree with your original post that US wars fought primarily over oil are the exception rather than the rule, and while it may be questionable that oil formed the major motivation for this war, the stability of regional energy supplies was definitely one of the key policy considerations that would have been factored in by the US administration then and now.

cite your source please. And how exactly would the US benefit from this? Such a pipeline would presumably connect Russian oil to the Indian ocean. Sounds like they would benefit not the US. Either way, never heard of it.

There is a widely covered and debated theory that such a pipeline, along with a desire to increase US influence with neighbouring (oil rich) former soviet republics, formed part of the motivation to invade Afganistan.

Such a pipeline has been proposed by a number of US oil companies, including a group involving Unocal in '97, although they cancelled this project due to issues related to lack of co-operation from the Taliban and later accusations of terrorism. The project has since been reprised by the Afgani government and a multi-national group, although Unocal was continuing to disavow any planned involvement.

This has been widely covered in the mainstream press since the conflict began (and also picked up and elaborated on by a number of the "kookier" ones). While I generally agree with your original post that US wars fought primarily over oil are the exception rather than the rule, and while it may be questionable that oil formed the major motivation for this war, the stability of regional energy supplies was definitely one of the key policy considerations that would have been factored in by the US administration then and now.

Well, our economic colonization of Iraq has started already, and we aren't even in Bahgdad yet. "Congressman Darrell Issa (R.-Calif.) Wednesday introduced a bill based on a letter to the Pentagon, the U.S. Agency for International Development (USAID) and other lawmakers demanding that the Department of Defense and USAID show favor to CDMA technology made by San Diego-based QUALCOMM". Iraqs current (or is it already former) cellular infrastructure is based on GSM, like their neighbors.

You see this war isn't just about the oil in Iraq and the threatened oil in neighboring countries. It's also about selling our crappy cellular technology standard to a country that would then be incompatitble with every country it borders with. Now this bill hasn't passed, and CDMA hasn't been installed there yet. It's quite possible this bill will be shot down, and even then, the military endorsement might not be enough to outweigh the technology's disavantages. But god damn, this is pretty balsy shit, trying moving our companies in 10 days into the war. And to think that some people wonder how Unocal was awarded 46.5% of the rights in the Afghanistan gas pipeline they wanted for years.

Yeah I'm pissed. But this time I'm not pissed at the present administration. I'm pissed at the millions of American who choose to believe this shit doesn't happen.

"Well it would leave us open to false accusations by rogue governments!" Well yeah, that's the justice system. Not perfect, but they wouldn't be able to do any harm without any evidence. Oh boy what I'd give to fly over to America, meet Dubya, and say "Hi! I don't recognise your legal system because someone might falsely accuse me of something!" And give him a quick bit of justice upside the head. [Well, the prezel obviously taught him nothing, if indeed it was a prezel. Wouldn't you go get help if you were choking? Hmmm... *strokes chin*]

I imagine I'd still have to be off the scene before you can say "Unocal" though.

Ali

What about the 100 mpg carbeurettor? (sp?) While the patents are held by whoever, dubya [read: Unocal ] wants to dig for more oil in alaska...

Yeah...um, why don't you go ahead and give me the oil export numbers for Afghanistan then. Just the simple stuff, you know, millions of barrels exported per year, etc.

Oh that's right, there are no oil exports from Afghanistan. Maybe there's some other dark government secret you can dig up for me.

Alright, you got it, ooo you got me. There are no oil exports from Afghanistan yet. But they have been planned for quite a long time.

And mostly plans have been made to move both natural gas and oil through the region from former Soviet republics. But since I am nothing but an idiot conspiracy theorist, you might not want to read the documents from the Department of Energy like I have said in other posts.

From the Department of Energy website:

In February 1998, the Taliban announced plans to revive the Afghan National Oil Company, which was abolished by the Soviet Union after it invaded Afghanistan in 1979. Soviet estimates from the late 1970s placed Afghanistan's proven and probable oil and condensate reserves at 95 million barrels. Oil exploration and development work as well as plans to build a 10,000-bbl/d refinery were halted after the 1979 Soviet invasion.

The Soviets had estimated Afghanistan's proven and probable natural gas reserves at up to 5 trillion cubic feet (Tcf) in the 1970s. Afghan natural gas production reached 275 million cubic feet per day (Mmcf/d) in the mid-1970s.


In January 1998, the Taliban signed an agreement that would allow a proposed 890-mile, $2-billion, 1.9-billion-cubic-feet-per-day natural gas pipeline project led by Unocal to proceed. The proposed pipeline would have transported natural gas from Turkmenistan's 45-Tcf Dauletabad natural gas field to Pakistan, and most likely would have run from Dauletabad south to the Afghan border and through Herat and Qandahar in Afghanistan, to Quetta, Pakistan


Besides the gas pipeline, Unocal also had considered building a 1,000-mile, 1-million barrel-per-day (bbl/d) capacity oil pipeline that would link Chardzou, Turkmenistan to Pakistan's Arabian Sea Coast via Afghanistan. Since the Chardzou refinery is already linked to Russia's Western Siberian oil fields, this line could provide a possible alternative export route for regional oil production from the Caspian Sea. The $2.5-billion pipeline is known as the Central Asian Oil Pipeline Project. For a variety of reasons, including high political risk and security concerns, however, financing for this project remains highly uncertain

Pumping Oil Out Of Central Asia

The Geopolitics of Oil In Central Asia

Caspian Sea Oil and Gas Production

The oil behind Bush and Son's campaigns

Consortium formed to build Central Asia gas pipeline

So why dont you go ahead and read those little ditties I dug up for you as you requested and remember: its easy to use a search engine, so why not try and use one before copping some sort of attitude about me being some wacko who is full of shit.

I quote you:

Maybe there's some other dark government secret you can dig up for me.

It aint dark, its right at your fingertips.

AC, you haven't been paying attention.

This killing thing is nothing new. It has been happening all the time. The only difference is that it happened inside the U.S. this time, after many, many years of Arabs saying they would retaliate.

It was a well-planned attack, with very well-written training manuals. Who trained Osama bin Laden? The CIA. See the 1998 MSNBC article, "Bin Laden comes home to roost" linked in the second line of What should be the Response to Violence?

The U.S. government killed an estimated 2,100,000 people in Vietnam and an estimated 150,000 people in Iraq. The U.S. has bombed 14 countries in 30 years, killing a roughly estimated 3,000,000 people. None of the people who were killed in any way directly threatened the U.S. These people had mothers and fathers, wives and families and friends.

The U.S. is the world's largest weapons dealer. The U.S. sells weapons to both the Israelis and the Arabs.

Did you know that both George W. Bush and Dick Cheney have run oil businesses? Did you know that oil companies want to build a pipeline across Afghanistan? Do a search for the word "route". This is an official oil company document.

AC, you are being manipulated. I'm guessing you don't think that only American lives are valuable.