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http://www.unrealid.com/
Unless that is a hoax site.

They are already advocating it.
The National ID sports RFID.
You could be detected when you walk near a hidden scanner.

Who is to say, this information isn't going to end up in the hands of Alberto Gonzalez and the rest of Administration.

We already know how did that go with the search engine data.

Some related notes:
http://www.unrealid.com/
http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,121077,R SS,RSS,00.asp

I thought the real ID act, drafted overnight and passed unread (slipped into a spending bill) was supposed to end the "inconvenience" of multiform identification.

Anybody remember the AMBER Act... which was (imo) a good 'thing'?

Did you know Senator Joe Biden (D-Del.) snuck, the RAVE Act into the AMBER Act (See H.R. 834 Source: http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi ?dbname=108_cong_bills&docid=f:h834ih.txt.pdf (Note: this is a PDF file)).

Do you even know what the RAVE Act was? Here's a snip:

Section 305 of the CLEAN-UP Act stipulates that:

`Whoever, for a commercial purpose, knowingly promotes any rave, dance, music, or other entertainment event, that takes place under circumstances where the promoter knows or reasonably ought to know that a controlled substance will be used or distributed in violation of Federal law or the law of the place where the event is held, shall be fined under title 18, United States Code, or imprisoned for not more than 9 years, or both.'

Under the provision, any concert promoter, nightclub owner and arena or stadium owner could be fined and jailed, since a reasonable person would know some people use drugs at musical events."

The thing about this Act is, "Taken literally, the law is so broad that letting people smoke marijuana at a private house party could be a federal felony." Source: http://inthesetimes.com/comments.php?id=322_0_2_0_ C

Salon.com's take was, "Your glow stick could land you in jail" By Janelle Brown
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Event Promoters could get up to 20 years in jail and a $250,000 fine if participants do drugs.
Source: http://www.salon.com/mwt/feature/2003/04/16/rave/i ndex_np.html

Having been one of 'those' who implemented usenet and having invested many hours into trying to understand, I offer this for consideration.

If there was a plan that was created about the time of MacAurther, "THEY" did not count on the existence of the Internet. Source: http://www.flyingsnail.com/Dahbud/theplan.html

Use your imagination and picture how things might be if there were no Internet....

Then figure out what "THEY" will attempt to control next...that will probably be attached to another major bill....and not the one that comes in your mailbox every month.

This site is a worthwhile visit: http://www.unrealid.com/

Was it via this site?

Just curious.

Gives a link to the putz responsible with email address. We should all send a friendly email and let him know our thoughts.

According Bill Scannell the streets will be littered with dead cops and illegal aliens running over everyone else. Legislation like this wouldn't get passed if its opponents weren't such hysterical, over-the-top, chicken littles. Something needed to be done about the licenses in this country. Because no one had a better alternative besides saying the sky is falling, this is what you got. Until you can start acting like an adult in your opposition, you are going to get this sort of legislation.

Thank you, Bill Scannell!

But the Real ID Act does not target only illegal aliens (which is IMHO justification enough for this bill to pass). Forcing a common standard across the USA for what is considered to be a primary form of identification (DL), this act also offers some relief from the explosion of identity theft that has occurred in this country.

Do you really think a national id will reduce id theft? If anything it'll make it easier.

2. Stolen Identities.
Our new IDs will have to make their data available through a "common machine-readable technology". That will make it easy for anybody in private industry to snap up the data on these IDs. Bars swiping licenses to collect personal data on customers will be just the tip of the iceberg as every convenience store learns to grab that data and sell it to Big Data for a nickel. It won't matter whether the states and federal government protect the data - it will be harvested by the private sector, which will keep it in a parallel database not subject even to the limited privacy rules in effect for the government.

radio-frequency identification (RFID)
... RFID has several limitations, security experts point out. With some basic equipment, almost anyone can surreptitiously read all the ID Cards in an area, or track an individual as he or she moves throughout the day. The technology makes downloading someone's personal data easy. "Once you have a machine-readable ID, it will be read by machines," said Mr. Schneier. And some of those machines will belong to people you don't want to read your data....

Employers that hire illegal aliens are getting a free ride from the rest of the USA's taxpayers. The public school systems, hospitals and medical centers, fire and police services, and the "social safety net" of government are all being strained by the influx of illegal aliens, most of whom either do not pay taxes, or their taxes are "misappropriated" by those same employers.

Unless they work under the table how is it they aren't paying taxes? They still pay income taxes and social security taxes even though they maybe won't collect social security later, they pay sales taxes and they either pay property taxes themselves if they own property or they pay rent and the rental owner not only pays property taxes but they also pay income taxes on the rent unless it's under the table.

Hahahahaha!

It's so funny to watch you all see the effects of Electronic Vote Fraud.

It just has to HIT YA first.

All these problems are due to it.

Well now that I have your attention.
(Not to wander too far but...)
Remember this is all because you can't verify an electronic 0 or 1, I don't give a crap if it's 5 volts, 3 volts, 2 volts or Ground (Like in electricity) or if you store it on some super secure memory chip or if you send it across an insecure network.

You CANT VERIFY IT. Ya CANT SEE IT!

GET THAT THROUGH YOUR HEAD.

And now we have databases.
Can't secure em.

When the National ID Cards are out there, you will be a target when you complain too loudly.

If torturing someone with a political disagreement by ruining their life isn't bad enough.

With no geneva convention, we just make you F-ing dissapear forever.

How'd you like that?

The terrorists are here now. Making either corrupt or poor (compartmentalized/uninformed) leadership decisions.

Fix the border. Track visitors, not citizens.

Go sign that thing. on http://www.unrealid.com/
Go file an election fraud complaint.
Arnold (Governat0r of Cali) is going to have another election that can't be verified.
(another trick may be to make us think they're going to attempt to fraud Arnold's special election, and then actually count the paper, and not hack the system. It would guarantee that these machines stay forever. The one they'll hack is in the presidential election. They'd love to do every election. but can not. So what good things have happened since Kevin Shelly burned in flames?! hmmm?)

They're not counting the paper. I truly HOPE you understand that!

AND...

You can only fix them locally!

Thought Id take a moment and respond to the 5 points made in the seed article: http://www.unrealid.com/what.html

1. Dead Cops.

The concept of supporting the various individuals who put there life on the line to protect us on a daly basis is paramount, but I do not see how this ID card will put them in harms way. They have ID's now, do they list a P.O. Box or other non street address. Nice thought, and a hell of a way to open your. The thought of Dead Cops stirs a lot of emotion, but the point of the ID somehow leading to additional acts of violence against public servants is not made.

2. Stolen Identities.

Perhaps you have been asleep, but the little black strip on the back of your current drivers license contains a wealth of information. About you! If, for example, you happen to want to have a drink in a dry area of Texas, you will need to hand your ID to the bar tender for him/her to swipe the card and verify you have a uni-card membership. Again, your statements are based on fear and not of reality. And if you think this information is not sold of now, I ask you where all the junk mail (paper based) I receive comes from.

3. Government Spying.

So, now the government can look into my record within a state database. Ok, and I assume they cant do this now? Thats funny, the state of Florida was well aware that I moved from Texas to NJ when I called to update my address with the child support agency. Get over it Bill, "one database to rule them all" is not going to change anything. Other than make it easier on all of the agencies.

4. Papers, Please.

So, my passport, drivers license and SS card are not a form of identification. But now I will be burdened with a single ID that will be. Seems like a good idea to me, less to keep track of. I have not seen the technical specifications for the recommended card, but the example you have on your site shows the implementation with a "smart card". If this is the recommended technology, and if hey are smart, it will be. Then you have very little to worry about. Go take a look at the smart card specifications. They are very, VERY secure.

By the way, the smart card system also has a provision for "no contact" reading. Now I may be wrong, a technology may have already been proposed. And if so, I will be interested to see how. But I bet it has not been. And if that is the case, you have used the current fear surrounding RFID to cloud reality and make your statement seem more important.

5. Unsafe Roads.

Ok, this is just laughable. You obviously live in a part of our country that has no one driving without a license. Because, not giving someone a license is, by no stretch of the word, NOT going to prevent someone from getting behind the weal of a car.

So, in conclusion I still have no idea why people are so worked up over all of this. But I invite all of you to clearly state a valid concern. Otherwise, go complain about something else. Or better yet do something constructive with your time.

This is obviously a cunning plan by toupsz to bring down the site. Why else would he include the link to the website twice? Turn your caches off, and don the tin foil people!

Your congressmen will be thankfull for you putting a stop to their offices being slashdotted with faxes.

This is obviously a cunning plan by toupsz to bring down the site. Why else would he include the link to the website twice? Turn your caches off, and don the tin foil people!

Your congressmen will be thankfull for you putting a stop to their offices being slashdotted with faxes.

The arguments in the "What is RealID" section are ludicrous.

Linking together databases is not spying. Just because China and Vietnam have national IDs doesn't make it a bad idea. A lot of people, after passing the driver license test, still can't drive properly. What's that got to do with illegal immigrants and national IDs?

To me, it sounded like it was written by the guys that wrote about peak oil and the 911 conspiracies.