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7.5 Micron Thick RFID Tag
YesSir writes "The EETimes is reporting that Hitachi has a breakthrough in RFID technology that they are planning to show at this years ISSCC (International Solid-State Circuits Conference). The new RFID chip is their newest mu-chip that, measuring in at 7.5 microns, is ten or more times thinner than a sheet of paper and comes complete with 128-bit identifying goodness."
Pretty soon we will be carrying our tin foil encrusted wallets and clothing interlaced with foil to foil the detection system of the aliens watching us.
I wonder if government will advocate tracking of people using RFID, or advocate banning the tracking of people via RFID?
are they not already small enough; I have one in my card and its the same size as any other credit card. I alwyas like to see people pushing the realms of what is possible but haven't we already reached a situation when its already "small enough"... not to mention the fact that now they are so small I'll not know where to put the tinfoil... dam it, the tinfoil could even have RFID in it :O...
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So instead of just being on our food packages. It'll be in our food.
Yummy.
It is literally a paper tracking system.
...to RFID tag tinfoil hats, and you would never even know it except for the black helicopters following you.
Shouldn't a smaller chip mean that even less radiative power is needed to overload and inactivate the tag? So... good news?
This seems to me that artists could embed an RFID chip in their art, such as under paint, or even in a tatoo, to identify their work. Such a thin tag could be under the label layer in a CD/DVD/etc to identify the origin, to identify whether the work is original and/or authorized. But, of course, someone will eventually find a way around this as they did with CSS and other encryption.
PAPERCUTS!
I wonder if McDonalds will start tracking where we go after we scarf down a Big McRFID.
How will they prevent someone from stealing and counterfeiting the RFID reader and using that to find and destroy RFID's inside the paper (or worse yet, duplicate its data)?
Is there a way to run a current through a piece of paper to destroy the RFID?
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... how much will these new tags cost to produce? I can think of a million different ways to implement them into our every day lives, but if it's an expensive technology, we may not see it in use for a while.
...how on earth do you disable/kill these things?
Static electricity? What?!?
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ten or more times thinner
That little bit of ineptitude is nowhere in the article; so the blame passes to the submitter.
"10 times thinner / (less in any form or fashion)" is exactly like saying "300% less". It is an ridiculous statement made by a math illiterate. It is, by definition, impossible for anything to lose more than 100% of it's value.
People see the statement "3 times larger" and, because they can barely add 2+2 without an electronic calculator, they think "3 times smaller" is a valid statement.
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There might be some problems with putting it in paper:
1. Module has to stay in the paper. This is harder than it sounds.
2. Antenna (for contactless) has to be much thinner and more flexible than paper. Many transit systems using microcontrollers embedded inside tickets might already have this, but the paper is pretty thick.
3. Antenna has to stay in the paper.
4. Paper tracking can be done already with UV inks. I'm not sure which would be cheaper though.
Does anyone know what kind of microcontroller is used on the transit system tickets?
http://www.maxineudall.com/2010/02/should-economists-be-sued-for-malpractice.html
This is the worst thing ever.
"Banking establishments are more dangerous than standing armies." -Thomas Jefferson
The virtual panopticon has begun construction.
Ex nihilo nihil fit.
ahh, smaller - so it takes _less_ than 3 seconds to fry these chips in a microwave oven.
it's always nice when a company lets you know how much easier it is to destroy privacy-invading technology.
I fear the moment we use this kind of chips inside our own body. At this moment there are several studies in development to apply the RFID chips in Medicine.
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It is impossible to be "ten or more times thinner" than something else. Now the width of the new RFID can be "one-tenth that of a sheet of paper," but grammatically speaking, something can only be 'n' times larger/longer/heavier etc.
I remember seeing an ad a few years back about how you would be able to push your loaded cart through the check-out and all the groceries would be scanned and totaled and you could just pay and go without the need unload the cart and wait for the checker to scan and reload everything. The closest I've seen is the "self checkouts" at the grocery stores (anyone else have these?) where you scan and bag the items yourself. (I'm still wondering how they would handle items that are sold by weight)
:o)
Like any technology this could have its uses (as the above example) and I really think a lot of the concerns are exaggerated (I have a hard time getting my RFID badge to trigger the door locks here, even when it's practically touching the reader). The tinfoil hat crowd and their "the black helicopters will read these as they fly over your house" don't make a lot of sense to me. But maybe the joy of the thing is in conspiracy, not the logic? My read on this is that in order to generate enough power to be read at any great distance (like from outside your house) you'd have to paint the tags with enough radio to fry the occupants.
Anyway, so far it's all talk and nothing much else of practical value. Maybe the packaging of the next Duke Nukem will have RFID?
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...they are planning to show at this years ISSCC... ...measuring in at 7.5 microns...
:-)
How do you show something you can't see?
Stephen
2) Entice them to identify themselves just once
3) Tie the appropriate RFID to the personal ID, continue updating as RFID's enter/leave the individual
4) Track individual movements and activities
5) ???
6) PROFIT!!! (or RULE THE WORLD!!! ?)
I understand the excitement over this latest breakthrough from an engineering perspective, but from a business perspective, "feh."
In the business world, the adoption of RFID has little to do with how small they make it. The real barrier is one of price. If an RFID tag weighed 12 pounds and was shaped like a brick, put a pack of 10,000 of them cost a hundred bucks, you better believe the heavy industries would push to adopt immediately. Not every industry requires a paper-thin chip.
So instead of just being on our food packages. It'll be in our food.
Yummy.
Ah yes, in future episodes of Austin Powers they'll just feed Fat Bastard a bowl of RFID Cereal (TM) instead of making poor Beyonce stick the tag up his big fat hairy ass.
I was worried that the older ones would be visible under my forehead.
I might know what I'm talkin' about, but then again, this is Slashdot...
Good grief. Imagine archaeology as an entrepreneurial field for the first time, somewhere in the time of Duck Dodgers. Innovative mavericks will be levitating across midwestern sewerage fields in their byte-mining combines, parsing the surface for data which, in the aggregate, when cross-referenced with live historical transaction records will yeild a corpus of information having arbitrage value on the global information market.
Everything about everyone will be inferrable by triangulation, but only by a system whose storage and processing powers are capable of indexing not only every web page and library document, but every real-time product/service that's purchased/delivered to everyone.
Thinking of ingestion -- what happens when RFID meets nano-genotyping and a swallowed chip will be capable of providing a hash via RF of your gene sequence as a primary key -- in real time?
Additionally, as I am thinking about this new miracle invention, I also have a way of tagging all my M&Ms and Skittles.. yeah! I will soon find out who has been eating my Skittles in my apartment.. *angry fist shaking*
I have too many RFID cards in my wallet already and they don't work when you tag the wallet on the reader. I have to take the appropriate card out to use it! This is just going to get worse!
-Palal
When you come right down to it, who are any of us, really?
[Fuck Beta]
o0t!
Why be satisfied with the Number of the Beast?
Now you can have your own _individual_ number!
The RFID topic is usually met with alarmism about privacy, but some applications of cheap RFID ought to be cool. Game pieces that interact with game boards. Keyboards with no circuitry except to read RFID embedded keys. Better snail mail. Any technology can be abused. You're here, now go delete your cookies.
I fear the moment we use this kind of chips inside our own body. At this moment there are several studies in development to apply the RFID chips in Medicine.
Scenario #1: RFID nano-medicine saves my life. GOOD THING.
Scenario #2: RFID nano-medicine tracks my location, rogue Pinkerton agents hunt and kill me. BAD THING.
Scenario #3: RFID nano-medicine extends my life. GOOD THING (but see also TOO EXPENSIVE).
Scenario #4: RFID nano-medicine used to collect statistical bio-data from millions of people, including me. NOT SURE.
Scenario #5: RFID nano-medicine makes me immortal. NOT SURE ....
-kgj
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What I really want out of RFID tags is the ability to scan 1000s per minute. I've got a large room, a library of documents. If I RFID tag each one, I want to be able to run a wand past all the documents and inventory all 100,000 documents in 15 minutes. Right now, the people I've talked to say its not possible. That is what I am waiting for.
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If you're not outraged, then you're not paying attention.
Shouldn't that be just 'thinner', or is the Grammer Nazi my mother beat into me coming out?
I see stuff like this all the time and it makes no sense to me:
measuring in at 7.5 microns, is ten or more times thinner
Okay, I assume this means that paper is roughly 75 microns thick. But to say something is 10 times thinner means that it's 10 x 75 microns thinner. In other words, somehow, 7.5 microns = 75 microns - 750 microns.
How do they assign RFID numbers? 128-bits is probably plenty if they are given out efficiently. Or are they giving them out like IPv4 blocks and we are going to run out eventually?
>ten times thinner
Another way to look at it is that the scale is missing. To say that something is "ten times thinner" you have to know what unit of thinness is being used. Same with "ten times quicker" or "ten times slower", as you say. It's backwards construction.
Marketers love to use this mangling, because it sounds better to the untrained ear than "one tenth as [thick, far, fast]". More is always better, so ten times something is better than one tenth of something.
People respond with some form of the "rose is a rose" argument. This is not a simple case of naming, but once someone adopts the view that it's idiomatic it's hard to get them to think about it further.
sigs, as if you care.
They have been grain-of rice sized for years, mainly for all car tire embedding.
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: ...but the shocking link finally died in July 2004 and the new location 2005 does not have a photo of a RFID bridge underpass RFID database collector. But this 20005 link below does discuss their toll booth
TOP SECRET FACT:Most modern cars have tracking transponders ALREADY! While you drive on highways. Wires in the road and 14 feet above work fine.
Spy transmission chips embedded in tires that can be read REMOTELY while driving.
A secret initiative exists to track all funnel-points on interstates and US borders for car tire ID transponders (RFID chips embedded in the tire).
Yup. My brother works on them (since 2001).
The us gov T.R.E.A.D. act (which passed) made it illegal to sell new passenger cars lacking untamperable RFID in the tires allowing efficient scanning of moving cars.
Your tires have a passive coil with 64 to 128 bit serial number emitter in them! (AIAG B-11 ADC v3.0) . A particular frequency energizes it enough so that a receiver can read its little ROM. A ROM which in essence is your GUID for your TIRE. Multiple tires do not confuse the readers. Its almost identical to all "FastPass" "SpeedPass" technologies you see on gasoline keychain dongles and commuter windshield sticker-chips. The US gov has secretly started using these chips to track people.
Its kind of like FBI "Taggants" in fertilizer and "Taggants" in Gasoline and Bullets, and Blackpowder. But these car tire transponder Ids are meant to actively track and trace movement of your car.
Taggant chemical research papers
http://www.wws.princeton.edu/cgi-bin/byteserv.prl/ ~ota/disk3/1980/8017/801705.PDF
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I am not making this up. Melt down a high end Firestone, or Bridgestone tire and go through the bits near the rim (sometimes at base of tread) and you will locate the transmitter (similar to 'grain of rice' pet ids and Mobile SpeedPass, but not as high tech as the tollbooth based units). Sokymat LOGI 160, and Sokymat LOGI 120 transponder buttons are just SOME of the transponders found in modern high end car tires. The AIAG B-11 Tire tracking standard is now implemented for all 3rd party transponder manufactures [covered below].
It is for QA and to prevent fraud and "car theft", but the US Customs service uses it in Canada to detect people who swap license plates on cars when doing a transport of contraband on a mule vehicle that normally has not logged enough hours across the border. The customs service and FBI do not yet talk about this, and are starting using it soon.
Photos of tracking chips before molded deep into tires!
http://www.sokymat.com/index.php?id=94
PLEASE LOOK AT THAT LINK : Its the same shocking tire material I have been trying to tell people about since the spring of 2001 on slashdot.
a controversial dead older link was at http://www.sokymat.com/sp/applications/tireid.html
(slashdot ruins links, so you will have to remove the ASCII space it inserts usually into any of my urls to get to the shocking info and photos on the embedded LOGI 160 chips that the us Gov scans when you cross Mexican and Canadian borders.)
You never heard of it either because nobody moderates on slashdot anymore and this is probably +0 still. It has also never appeared in print before and is (or was) very secret.
Californias Fastpass is being upgraded to scan ALL responding car tires in future years upcoming. I-75 may get them next in rural funnel points in Ohio.
The photo of the secret high speed overpass prototype WAS at
http://www.tadiran-telematics.com/products6.html
Make sure you check your tin-foil hats even closer now!!
So you are saying that "we'll make the budget deficit 2 times smaller", really means newBudgetDeficit = oldBudgetDeficit * 2?
Time to suit up in the EMF shielding clothing sold here. :)
I especially like the cap woven with silver threads.
Serving your airship needs since 1995.
I already feel uncomfortable when someone pats me on the back - I'm the type to immediately try to find the sticky note. But I can find stickies - not sure that I'd find a 7.5 micron tag.
Lets say the tinfoil hat crowd is right and the government is out to track you, here is how it could go down. Every piece of clothing sold has an ultra thin RFID chip imbeded in the hem. You purchase said clothing with a credit card now said clothing is linked to your name. Now all thats needed is to install scanners at stratigic locations and wham they know who and where you are(untill you give all your clothes to goodwill that is).
The perversity of the Universe tends towards a maximum. - O'Toole's Corollary
They are already advocating it.
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The National ID sports RFID.
You could be detected when you walk near a hidden scanner.
Who is to say, this information isn't going to end up in the hands of Alberto Gonzalez and the rest of Administration.
We already know how did that go with the search engine data.
Some related notes:
http://www.unrealid.com/
http://www.pcworld.com/news/article/0,aid,121077,
....so when's the 7 micron ID tags comin' out?
The real barrier is one of price.
;-)
Well, yes and no, last october:
MobileMag have a small article about a 100% organic matter RFID chip developed in Korea, costing only 0.5 cents. From the article: The new RFID Tag chip is able to function on the 30 kHz frequency by only using 100% organic compounds and an inkjet printer. By cutting down the price considerably it will allow for thee mass production through the printing process. The chip can also be printed on any paper, plastic and wood standard.
Of interest, Slashdot already discussed RFID production increases before.
Yes, RFID can be scary, especially in a bank or in passports. Imagine, even Sun cares for RFID.
Anyone interested in RFID could also start with the excellent wikipedia.org entry.
And if RFID and geospatial tech seriously interest you, see my sig
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They'll likely do both! Track people using RFID while banning others from doing the same.
Yes, of course, its not surprising that the RFID chip itself can be incredibly small. What most commentators are missing is that YOU STILL NEED AN ANTENNA to access the thing.
A "long-range" (> few inches) RFID tag needs a relatively large area antenna, like the size of a business card.
A "near-field" tag can have an antenna that is a few millimeters wide, but then your reader has to be very close-- almost touching.
... RFID-Zapper! http://events.ccc.de/congress/2005/wiki/RFID-Zappe r(EN)
( also linked in RMS's Personal Page )
The tin foil hat doesn't work well.
What you really need is an outfit and shopping bag made of this material;
http://www.mobilecloak.com/
That will stop the RFID's.
Of course, these will certainly be illegal once Walmart goes to RFID cash registers, for obvious reasons.
This thing is destined for the Euro note, and probably the US Dollar as well.
What with the GPS tracking that is planned to be mandatory for all road vehicles in Europe, Galileo (for it's ability to work in urban zones, which GPS is not so hot at), and RFID pickups tracking notes seamlessly, European governments will have unprecedented intelligence on the movements of their citizens.
Betty: Hmm? Tiger, tiger, tiger.
Betty: Hmm ! Bird. Birdie. Birdie, birdie. Hmm.
Betty: I am a great magician.
Betty: Your clothes are red !
Betty: Your clothes are black.
After that quote from Kung Pow, I think everyone sees the potential the combination of RFID hand implants and OLED clothes has!
***/me hiding in basement, fearing sound of jack-boots***
We'll I'll be sure to immediately start taking up sword-fighting just in case an endless stream of similarly RFID nano-medicine users come to take my head.
You can never be sure when the Quickening is going to happen and one needs to be ready to take the Prize, just in case
Its not users who are broken, it's systems not taking account their likely behaviour and fixing it technically.
Want fries with that?
This new tag is so thin that I guess that we will all be wearing the "patch" in a few years.
The photo of the secret high speed overpass prototype WAS at : ...but the shocking link finally died in July 2004 and the new location 2005 does not have a photo of a RFID bridge underpass RFID database collector.
w ww.tadiran-telematics.com/products6.html
http://www.tadiran-telematics.com/products6.html
pssst, they haven't yet wiped the archive at http://web.archive.org/web/20010502162058/http://
Ya'know, there were so many links in there that I couldn't confirm that I really wouldn't know if the guy was telling the truth or not... but I just thought that it was worth pointing out that the entire post was written in the same writing style as those one page websites that are trying to sell you things. "I've been trying to tell people forever, but noone would listen, until NOW. Buy my ebook and I'll teach you how to be a millionaire within minutes. This priceless information is worth a bajillion dollars or more, but if you buy it within the next twelve seconds , you can have it for free."
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