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Obviously, since that wasn't the only case now was it. In fact it's a repeated history of a busybody telling people that they can't do something because it might offend those 'minorities'.

I believe that too. I've told you that fore, but you still keep on telling me I don't.

I seem to remember you being in support of hate speech laws. That means you don't.

Where we differ is that you want Twitter to broadcast that speech, where as I support their right to not publish on your behalf.

Remember that part where a medium becomes so large that it influences public discourse?

Citation needed on that one. If I were being unkind I'd suggest you are only trying to pretend they are communists because communism gives you a whataboutism for how bad the Nazis were.

You want the original? Where they were backed by the KPD? And they'll claim that they're carrying on the tradition, or do you want to go look up their various manifestos, and tie-in's with groups like BAMN. Or you can go look at indymedia and their devout proclamation that they're acting as communist agitators. Or perhaps you'd just prefer the current german classification. Hate to break it to you, but they're right there. The standard useful idiot communists. The ones that try to crash society, and the first ones killed by the new regime when their usefulness is spent. The only difference between antifa and a nazi is the "ism."

according to a pre-release of the 2010 statement of the Verfassungsschutz (German domestic intelligence service) we have a headcount of 5600 neo nazis.

Take this with a grain of salt, like most government agencies the Verfassungsschutz has a political agenda - every publication is announced by the far-(left||right) wing* with "the data is biased"

*) and everyone else...

>Note also, that the German government is much more concerned about dealing with the 20,000 or so Scientologists >there, rather than the 2 million or so neo-Nazis.

I call bullshit on that one. Start reading here:

http://www.verfassungsschutz.de/en/index_en.html

http://www.verfassungsschutz.de/download/en/en_publications/annual_reports/vsbericht2005_engl/vsbericht_2005_engl.pdf

They even translated that for you. There are no more excuses for uninformed comments like yours. It contains 86 pages on right wing groups and 11 on Scientology. While that doesn't need to mean much, you will find that the Scientology part mostly contains information on why the BfV had to take action and some information about Scientology. The Nazis on the other hand mean way more trouble and that is reflected in the report. In addition to that you will find reports about the results of police action taken against the Nazis. Some think the government doesn't go far enough but you are still mistaken if you think less is done about Nazis than about Scientologists.

From that document you should mainly take away that the German government steps into action if some entity attempts to act against the constitution. This is the result of the demise of the Weimar Republic. On page 9 you will find:

"- commitment to values, i.e. the state recognizes its attachment to
certain values it considers especially important and which are
therefore not negotiable;

-the readiness to defend values, i.e. the state is willing to uphold
these most important values against extremist positions; and

-preventive action to protect the Constitution, i.e. the state does
not wait to react until extremists have violated the law."

If you read the part about Scientology you will find that our government followed the guidelines provided above.
Are you suggesting the government should apply two different standards instead?

The number of Neo-Nazis given by you is probably slightly too high, there are about 40000 with party affiliation and if you count the number of votes for the two most right-wing parties in the 2005 election you end up with roughly one million. This is not to say that there might be even more people with this sort of view in Germany but this would merely be guessing. The number of Scientologists is also lower, 6000 to 12000 depending on whom you are listening to. You are in the right ballpark though. This fiddling with numbers doesn't help my argument but I'll leave it in here for entertainment value.

I would agree with your comment on the importance of watching the government though. I'm wondering about Britain's recent legislation against handguns (and not so recent, i.e. Dunblane related). Especially since there is not much of a link between gun violence and legal handgun possession but rather the local culture. Germany didn't quite go that far with its gun legislation lately they just raised the age of possession to 25. Below that you have to undergo psychological testing to get a gun. Who knows, German politicians might still remember that Hitler disarmed all legal handgun owners who didn't fit his picture of the perfect German.

>Note also, that the German government is much more concerned about dealing with the 20,000 or so Scientologists >there, rather than the 2 million or so neo-Nazis.

I call bullshit on that one. Start reading here:

http://www.verfassungsschutz.de/en/index_en.html

http://www.verfassungsschutz.de/download/en/en_publications/annual_reports/vsbericht2005_engl/vsbericht_2005_engl.pdf

They even translated that for you. There are no more excuses for uninformed comments like yours. It contains 86 pages on right wing groups and 11 on Scientology. While that doesn't need to mean much, you will find that the Scientology part mostly contains information on why the BfV had to take action and some information about Scientology. The Nazis on the other hand mean way more trouble and that is reflected in the report. In addition to that you will find reports about the results of police action taken against the Nazis. Some think the government doesn't go far enough but you are still mistaken if you think less is done about Nazis than about Scientologists.

From that document you should mainly take away that the German government steps into action if some entity attempts to act against the constitution. This is the result of the demise of the Weimar Republic. On page 9 you will find:

"- commitment to values, i.e. the state recognizes its attachment to
certain values it considers especially important and which are
therefore not negotiable;

-the readiness to defend values, i.e. the state is willing to uphold
these most important values against extremist positions; and

-preventive action to protect the Constitution, i.e. the state does
not wait to react until extremists have violated the law."

If you read the part about Scientology you will find that our government followed the guidelines provided above.
Are you suggesting the government should apply two different standards instead?

The number of Neo-Nazis given by you is probably slightly too high, there are about 40000 with party affiliation and if you count the number of votes for the two most right-wing parties in the 2005 election you end up with roughly one million. This is not to say that there might be even more people with this sort of view in Germany but this would merely be guessing. The number of Scientologists is also lower, 6000 to 12000 depending on whom you are listening to. You are in the right ballpark though. This fiddling with numbers doesn't help my argument but I'll leave it in here for entertainment value.

I would agree with your comment on the importance of watching the government though. I'm wondering about Britain's recent legislation against handguns (and not so recent, i.e. Dunblane related). Especially since there is not much of a link between gun violence and legal handgun possession but rather the local culture. Germany didn't quite go that far with its gun legislation lately they just raised the age of possession to 25. Below that you have to undergo psychological testing to get a gun. Who knows, German politicians might still remember that Hitler disarmed all legal handgun owners who didn't fit his picture of the perfect German.

Note also, that the German government is much more concerned about dealing with the 20,000 or so Scientologists there, rather than the 2 million or so neo-Nazis.
This statement simply isn't true. You can download the report of the Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution here(in german): http://www.verfassungsschutz.de/download/de/publikationen/verfassungsschutzbericht/vsbericht_2006/vsbericht_2006.pdf
As you can see in this report 98 pages are about right-wing extremism while only 17 pages are dedicated to Scientology. Please check your facts first before posting something like this, you're only weakening your own argument otherwise (which itself sounds legitimate to me).

Well, the concept has beein applied in other countries for years. The German Verfassungsschutz ("constitution protection") is an agency that tracks organizations with anti-constitutional goals, and they get they get the vast majority of their intelligence from public sources.

Clearly the Germans now hunt down the Nazi's but they still similar methods to those of the old Nazi's by imposing their laws on the rest of the world.

Meanwhile it would be best for racist webmasters not to set foot in Germany or travel to any country with an extradition treaty with Germany as the penalties for incitement to racial hatred and defemation of the dead are quite high there (10-12 years in prison).

The same applies for Scientologist webmasters as the Church of Scientology is considered to be an "enemy of the constitution" by the Bundesamt für Verfassungsschutz, the government organisation that fights political and social movements that "threaten the democracy and the constitution".

Nop.

• There is no such think as a constitutional police in Germany.
• There is no special political police in Germany.
• There is the Bundesamt fuer Verfassungsschutz in Germany
• German's Laender have similar organisations
• The Verfassungsschutz is part of a democratic system to protect the democratic system itself.
• The Verfassungsschutz is an pure intelligence organisation, mostly in the business of observing suspicious organisations.
• Most information is collected from open sources (no, not code :-), like news papers, and publications.
• The Verfassungsschutz has no police rights, can't arrest people, can't search homes, can't confiscate belongings
• The Verfassungsschutz mainly reports to the federal and Laender governments
• The Verfassungschutz cooperates with regular police, corts, prosecutors in case crimes have been found
• The Verfassungsschutz is controlled by the minister of interior, the parliament, and the privacy protection responsibles. Unlimited power? What were you smoking?
• It is subject to court orders if misbehaviour has been found.
• It publishes its main findings in a yearly report (so that observed organisations know they are observed :-))

Wherever you got your "information" from, please consider to drop that source. Maybe a visit to the library would be in order, too? And stop watching these old war movies is maybe also a good idea.