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Anyone who doubts that those born in the center of the North American land mass are favored by God above all others are Godless Communists.

This is the true purpose of Public Schools; to weed out the godless communists. The pledge is just a tool. A tool to weed out the godless communists and send them back to their caves in Siberia where they belong.

Patriotism is love of Country
Nationalism is love of Government
Jingoism is our national religion

We must make sure everyone worships acording to the national religion by putting cameras in everyones bedrooms so that we can all recite the pledge in Unisom at the beginning of every day.

So says I, Richard Milhous Nixon, the 43rd President of the United States.

You act all patriotic but I, Richard Milhous Nixon, the 43rd President of the United States know what you really are: A Godless Communist.

Who but a Godless Communist would want a Recycled Russian Bride for their concubine.

So remove "under god", and make sure the teachers remind the classroom that participation is completely voluntary. If the teacher suspects any sort of coercision, deal with it. If the teacher is guilty of coercion, he/she should be fired.

You just don't understand. A teacher's job isn't to teach. A teacher's job is to weed out the Godless Communists. Loalty Oaths are our only defense against Godless Communists because they will burst into flames if they they reciete the pledge under God. Anyone who is not willing to recite the pledge is obviously a Godless Communist and should be shipped off to their brand new cave in Siberia.

Loalty Oaths and Cameras in people's bedrooms. That's what Amerika is really about!

As a kid, the school I went to required all students to recite the national anthem and say a prayer every morning at assembly. I resented it because I did not believe in religion or nations.

What are you, some Godless Communist Anarchist?!?!?

Don't worry, when we get that constitutional amendment passed requiring everyone to receite the pledge and sing the national anthem (We will have cameras in everyone's bedroom to monitor them and make sure everyone does this in unisom.) we will also be changing the National Anthem to Hey Hey We're the Monkees!

Scalia is a Godless Communist.

Everyone who isn't a Godless Communist knows that David Souter is the kewlest of the Supremes.

I pledge allegience to the flag of the united police state of America and to the Republicans for which it stands...one nation indivisible, with bribery and cabbage patch kids for all

Who do you think you are? Matt Greoning?

Just keep in mind that only a Godless Communist would want the Govment to take over Religion!

So says I, Richard Milhous Nixon, the greatest president this country has ever had!

Only a Godless Communists would not heed the word of God in an exclusive Barbara Walters interview!

Militias are the only thing that in the end will save us from the Godless Communists!

What about those that think that making a loyaty oath is a violation of The Ten Commandments?

True, anyone who follows The Ten Commandments is obviously just a Godless Communist in disguse, but still.... I guess we will just have to ship them to their caves in Siberia with the rest of the Godless Communists.

But then they've been trying to get an ammendment for Flag Burning for quite a while too.

You just don't understand because you are a godless communist. Loyalty Oaths are the only thing protecting us from the godless communists. We must make everyone swear a Loyaty Oath on a daily basis because only a godless communist would refuse to take a Loyalty Oath. That way we can find out who they are, and ship them back to their caves in Siberia.

Now off with you! Back to your cave in Siberia!

Unless you draw strength from your unwavering faith in an invisible, omniscient
diety who favors those born in the middle of the North American lamd mass above
all others you are a Godless Communist Hipplie Punk Liberal Commie Scum!

Go back to your cave in Siberia!

Or just Shut Up, Be Happy, and receite the pledge with the rest of us!

Obviously Fundamentalist Christians don't have real faith that their religion can prevail on its own merits.

Maybe they aren't really Christians at all. Maybe they are really Godless Communists. If they were real Christians they would have faith. Not to mention they wouldn't have the Government force a Loyalty Oath on everyone that violates the third of the Ten Commandments.

George Bush is not a man of God. George Bush abuses the name of God for his own political ends. George Bush is a sleeper agent for the Godless Communists. George Bush is a Godless Communist. George W Bush encourages our enemies to shoot down our troops in Iraq.

That is why I, Richard Milhous Nixon, the greatest president this great country has ever had, is calling for all truely God fearing Americans to bring down this liberal pink hippie commie liberal scumbag George W. Bush. And don't wait until the Presidential election in November 2004. I'm calling on all Loyal Americans to join the Republican Party, if you haven't already, to vote against George W Bush in the Republican Primary.

Vote for John McCain, a truely loyal American, who not only fought for our country, but survived being an MIA for years. Do you think that he would needlessly squander our military resources, and put our brave soldiers at risk like that Godless Communist George W Bush did in Iraq? No. John McCain knows what it means to be a soldier and would not risk other soldiers lives so pointlessly.

Only a Liberal godless communist like JFK or George W Bush would start a war over so little. Remember, Liberals start wars, and true conservatives finish them. I didn't start Vietnam, Kennedy did. I just did what I had to do to finish it. That's why I say that George W Bush is a Godless Commie Liberal.

Thank you, and good night.

And again, oh reading-comprehension-challenged one, no matter how many times you ignorantly insist otherwise, that was not my point -- my point was that we need a godless version, and whether or not the original was or was not godless doesn't change that.

No it wasn't. Your point was that the original version contained the phrase "under god" and that it shouldn't be changed.

That is, the Pledge of Allegiance will (and should always) continue to include the phrase "under god." NO matter what you do, the original is sitll the original -- you can't change it.

But it looks like you're improving because despite the superfluous ranting, at least you now acknowledge your mistake.

I was wrong about the "original" pledge including god.

There you go. That wasn't so hard, now was it.

Have a nice day.

Listen kid, if you'd read anything I wrote instead of wasting my time mounting your moronic tirade, you'd have seen me say "I'm not a pledge expert -- that info came in while I was posting. Thank you for the info." And again, oh reading-comprehension-challenged one, no matter how many times you ignorantly insist otherwise, that was not my point -- my point was that we need a godless version, and whether or not the original was or was not godless doesn't change that. You're either trolling, or really, really stupid. Or both.

See that yet? And if that's not clear enough for you: I was wrong about the "original" pledge including god. So, did you come yet? I hope so, because this is getting sickening. Why do you care so much about an ancillary, non-crucial statement? Did someone piss on your cornflakes, or are you always this much of an asshole?

Take your bullshit father-fantasy and your little life lesson to someone who needs it or cares. And while you're at it, note that people will think less of you for acting like a pedantic ass and failing to listen to a valid point because you can't let go of the thrill you get from dwelling on the mistakes of others.

Go away troll.

Consider atheism a godless religion, and then it seems like your interpretation of "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion" means that the government has to advocate atheism or agnosticism to students by banning religion from schools.

Yes, the Christians have to let the atheists be, but why don't the atheists have to let the Christians be?

Also, you forget about the other equally important part of that sentence: "...or prohibiting the free exercise thereof." You said you don't want a prohibition of religion, so why do you seem to advocate it?

Maybe you'll agree with this: Let the students say the pledge as they please, whether it be with "under God," without it, or not at all. The states can say that the schools provide time for saying the pledge for those who wish to. Forcing any of these things on anyone would dilute what the pledge and the USA (supposedly?) stands for.

It does exist and is the basis for several rights. Without privacy as a defacto Consitutional right, there is NO reasonable basis to "being secure in their persons" or "protected from illegal search and seizure". If you have no privacy, there can be no objection to me or anyone else searching through your life for whatever reason strikes my fancy (curiosity). Same for government. If you have no right to privacy, there can be no argument against me or anyone else violating the "security of your person" (which doesn't mean/imply right of self-defense which is also not specifically enumerated in the Constitution or Bill of Rights..it doesn't NEED to be stated as it is a natural and human right which is bigger than Constitutional Right).

Many Rights that are specifically enumerated are rendered baseless without an implied and understood right to privacy. I have found that most people who like to say there is no Constitutional right to privacy use this as code to say: It is my business what a woman does in the privacy of her life and with her body and that, damnit, she WILL be a baby incubator whether she likes it or not! My way or the highway!

There is also no Right to Bear Arms, per se. There IS a right to Bear Arms within the context of a "well regulated militia" (which most assuredly does NOT mean a bunch of yahoos getting together in the woods of Michigan and declaring themselves a "militia" so they can fight the "godless gov'mnt and coloreds").

Fess up, what you mean when you say "no right to privacy" is "women are men's property and their bodies to be controlled by the god-fearin' folk."

No, I don't care, and besides, you just learned all that from reading the replies to my original post, which were all redundant repetitions of posts made while I was making my original post. Which, as you'd know had you bothered to read it before posting, included the main point that we need a godless version of the pledge.

Somehow, you and about a half-dozen other idiots read just enough of my post to confuse youreselves into thinking I was pro-god-pledge, which I'm not.

What's scary is your lack of reading comprehension. And the incredible number of redundant posts in this thread (yours included) not modded thusly.

children want to find out more about important topics such as contraception or homosexuality

Hellooooo! That's exactly what they want to prevent.

This is the THIRD bill they've passed. The first two were struck down as unconstitutional, and even those were watered down versions of what they actually wanted but knew they couldn't get.

They are on a Crusade to Save The Children from the Godless Heathens. They have been soundly defeated on virtually every front except Kiddy Porn. No legislator can ever dare to take the opposite side of a Kiddy Porn issue, no matter how far the arguments are twisted and distorted. So they rally behind the banner of Saving The Children from Kiddy Porn and glue on as much other crap as they can.

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"Because, if you haven't noticed, about 90%+ of the citizens of the United States want to leave it as it is now"

I'd like to see some hard evidence of this. I can think of quite a few people I know that do not want it included.

"It's a non-important reference that does not establish any religion"

Excuse me???
The WHOLE purpose to the inclusion of this statement was to set the U.S. apart from the "godless communists". Wouldn't this indicate a desire to "establish a religion"?

"but that doesn't mean the tradition of the majority has to be modified or destroyed "
since this supposed "majority" wasn't harmed for the first 30 to 50 years (depending on what start date you want to use), why would it hamr them now to put it back to the way it was? Are you afraid that if this reference to god isn't included that people might suddenly stop believeing in it? Are your beliefs that fragile that you have to have them recited on a daily basis?
Is your belief system so fragile that it cannot survive without being foisted off on many unsuspecting, impressionable minds?

"a few people can't handle the tradition most of us grew up with"

What would you have thought, back when Christianity was new, if it were treated in this same fashion? People incarcerated, outcast, or otherwise shunned for believing in it?
How are Christians feeling in Afghanistan? Or Iraq? Or Saudi Arabia? Would they like to recite a pledge to their country that states it is one nation under Muhammad?

you claim the rights of the minority have to be protected, yet at the same time state that those rights are secondary to your own? That's pretty selfish of you, isn't it?

Maybe these "minorities", as you call them, are tired of having to defend their religious choice against people who constantly attempt to deride, descriminate and put down another's religion. Maybe these "minorities" are tired of one religion attempting to "steal" their children?

YOU may say this is one nation under god. Others have other beliefs, and if you try to include all of the TO BE FAIR, then the pledge would be a chaotic mash of belief systems and would lose most of its purpose.
Best would be to remove reference to any specific belief system and leave it up to the person to decide if their nation is under god/goddess/devil/tree/rock/sky/spaceship/whatever .
Any other idea is a selfish attempt to force your belief on the children of the people who do not believe as you do.