As my brother said at Thanksgiving, "I want my party back!"
Republicans aren't what they used to be.
GWB puts shame on the whole party. I don't know what is worse, that he is acting as if he has a mandate when he just barely one, and some are even contesting the legitimacy of the election, or that the media doesn't seem to be questioning this.
Politicians have always been scumbags, but while they used to be wallowing in a Cesspool scumbags, now they are wallowing in a septic tank scumbags.
Think about it. Compared to what is happening today, was I really that bad of a President?
Republican and Democrat politicians are scumbags. The media are a bunch of scumbags. The people, well I guess the people are just stupid, or at least deluded. But there are a few good, and smart people here and there, and you can't tell who they based soley on if they are a Republican or a Democrat.
It was human error on the part of the those who set it up and human error on the part of election officials who decided to use a product that wasn't thoroughly tested. Someone beyond the techs that administer the machines needs to be on the hook for this. Just because the machines that failed are electronic doesn't mean that there was no negligence on the part of those that chose to use them.
That's the problem with people that don't understand computers.
They just bow to the computer gods and chant "Computers don't make mistakes."
But maybe us geeks can take advantage of this. We are the ones that know how to turn the elections. It is high time we take over this country!
Gerald Ford: "Frankly, I've never felt voting to be all that essential to the process."
OK, I'm joking but think about it. This is what happens when we put politicians in charge of things. And it isn't just electronic voting that most politicians are clueless about. Maybe it is high time we get the government out of our lives, and for real, not just the pandering we get from the Republicans about smaller government.
It was a war people! The purpose of war is to KILL PEOPLE.
Is it a war if we do not formally declare war?
And even in the obvious face of war profiteering, the current administration denies empire-building.
It doesn't go well with the Humanitarian argument they switched to after no WMDs were found.
I think, how much different the worlds' attitude toward empires is now.
I think it started in World War II, maybe WWI, when they started prosecuting soldiers for the (up until then) common pracice of looting. Through most of history, that is where the big payoff was for soldiers and mercinaries. But after WWII they started thinking in terms of ethics within war.
That's why people are appalled at civilian casualties these days.
Ironically, the ratio of combatant to civilian casualties has shifted dramatically towards civilians since then.
I love how all the discussion of marriage leaves out the most important part: children. At the end of the day, the traditional family has been society's way of creating social units to ultimately raise the next generation.
I think what you mean is: Won't somebody PLEASE think of the children!!!!!
With a line item veto, the president can veto the ammendment, making the comprimise null and void.
Well, maybe they could implement the line item veto differently than the regular veto.
Let's say to override the veto of the entire bill still requires 2/3 majority, but to override a line item veto only requires a simple majority.
If it is really pork that is being killed with the line item veto, the politicians will be less likely to support an override, because then next election time people can look at the vote record and say "Hey, you supported Pork when you overrode the line item veto for 5 million to build statues of something something, and that's not kosher!"
Indeed. The "tax and spend" Democrats have been replaced by "tax cut and spend" Republicans. All the rhetoric about fiscal responsibility is just a facade for the real debate, "pay now or pay later".
And don't forget that when you "pay later" you pay with interest. That is why I believe that the Republican party, and especially GWB are no longer conservative.
You need to realize that Bush didn't go to war because of WMDs. He had his own personal reasons for the war. The WMD issue was just their idea at the best way to justify the war to the US population.
True, but there was a lot more evidence to indicate that there were no significant amount of WMDs in Iraq before the invasion. So, didn't they realize that they were going to look very foolish? Or did they expect everyone to accept the bait and switch to say we did it for humanitarian reasons, or to promote democracy.
I suppose they wouldn't be able to justify Shock and Awe if the story was they were going in for humanitarian reasons.
So you're saying we should look at the other poll instead? Based on your logic, I'd like to point out a problem: not all drunks voting in US elections buy their drink in an american bar in Paris, France.
No, that's another flaw that I meant, but forgot, to point out.
What I meant when I said.... "Now, there is one problem that not everyone gets their soda from 7-eleven." I meant are people that get their soda at Circle K different than people who go to 7-eleven, as well as other convenient stores, minimarts, supermarkets, vending machines etc.
As if it isn't annoying enough to getting phone calls from the Democratic party 4 times a day. Next time they call I'll tell them "Well, I was going to vote for Kerry, but I'm so sick of your phone calls I'm voting for Bush."
The problem with that is it could be Bush supporters pretending to be Democrats. I hate them all anyway.
And what is up with everyone asking who you are going to vote for? I've heard that "they" even have maps of everyone and who they are voting for.
Maybe they are going to declair marshal law no matter who gets elected, and send the losers off to special camps.
At first I was telling people who I was planning to vote for, but I'm still not sure who I'm going to vote for and maybe I should have told them "none of your business."
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It is my sincere hope that (relative) sanity will be restored to the US federal government in the near future.
Don't hold your breath........and what do you mean by restored?
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#4 Being greeted as Liberators. As far as I can see, we are.
Aren't photo ops great?
FOUR MORE YEARS!!!
Yep, that will sure convince a lot of people to change their vote. Why don't you go back to the Democratic party where you belong you stupid neo-con.
I find it amusing that the quote on the front page is from Kevin Shelley (CA Secretary of State) who is up to his eyeballs in scandals....
Well, for one thing, I think that the state Secretary of State is the finally authority in elections in any particular state. At least it is in the state I live in. So that does make him an authority on election matters. That's probably why they quoted him.
Furthermore, lets look at that quote:
"The core of our American democracy is the right to vote. Implicit in that right is the notion that that vote be private, that vote be secure, and that vote be counted as it was intended when it was cast by the voter. And I think what we're encountering is a pivotal moment in our democracy where all of that is being called into question."
This seems like a true statement no matter who said it.
And I remember hearing that all this stuff started coming up when he started taking action against the electronic voting machines.
And lets face it, nearly all politicians are scumbags. They usually ignore each others indiscretions. One hand washes the other and all that.
would it be legal for me to make a voodoo doll of them? I mean, would you get busted by the secret service if you had a 'W voodoo doll that you stuck pins into?
Anyone that isn't voting for Nixon is throwing away their vote!
But realistically, "throwing away your vote" is highly dependent upon which state you live in, at least for the Presidential race. It is in the so called battleground states that your vote really matters. If you are not in one of these states, vote third party. And I'm talking to the Republicans too. The Libertarians have some good ideas. It doesn't seem likely, but it is still possible that if third party canidates got a more significant vote then their ideas would get more voice in the mainstream corporate liberal media.
Now election authorities have a reference database to compare with the digital signatures of software provided to them by vendors. However, only digital signatures of the same versions of software voluntarily provided by voting software vendors are available on the web site. Election authorities having other versions, or versions which have been altered for authorized reasons, will be unable to use this web site for a digital signature comparison.
I'm not sure but I think what this means is that their software can be used to verify that the software that the vendor has sold them is indeed the software that is installed on the machine.
For example, that DIEBOLD AccuVote-OS CC 2.0.12 AE is installed on a machine.
If this is true, then it only confirms that you have the software you think you have on the system. It does not mean that said software will tally an accurate vote. (Having competent software is a different question entirely of what software you have installed on a system.)
Also....
This data may only be used with software that has not yet been installed on a voting machine. With limited exception, once software is installed on a voting machine, it is incapable of generating a digital signature.
I'm not sure I understand why it couldn't be verified afterwards.
Can someone explain this?
At the very least couldn't you wipe the voting machines harddrive and do a re-install?
I think that Liberals are Assholes, and that Conservatives are people that define themselves primarily in opposition to Liberals, and are also Assholes.
I don't think it is in ballance if what both parties are doing destructive things in different ways.
Of course a big problem is that politicians don't practice what they preach.
Republicans, for instance, talk about small government. If they actually worked for smaller government that could be a very good thing.
Maybe it is just something about politicians. Maybe when you get elected to cogress or anything significant the men in black break into your house at night and inject you with a drug that turns you into an asshole?
I can't remember myself because I think they also use that memory eraser thing too.
Words of his father? How about the words of John Kerry
With all due disrespect, I think John Kerry is an asshole. I don't think he will do quite as much dammage as I think GWB could do, that doesn't mean I like him.
I would rather have Kerry than GWB, but I'd rather have George HW Bush than Kerry. And that doesn't mean I like HW either, but at least he knew what he was doing.
Fuck Kerry. If I could choose the next president it would be Badnarik.
Well, both Bush supporters and Kerry supporters have a different view of reality. Whose view is closer to the actual reality is up to debate, but neither is completely accurate.
I joked that we should send the Bush supporters to the Bush Universe, and likewise with Kerry, but what I reall want is to open a portal to a hell dimention and send them both there. They are all a bunch of assholes and we would be better off without them.
This November, vote for Nixon's Head in a jar mounted on a big freaking robot body.
Who else would be better suited to deal with the terrorist threat?
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As my brother said at Thanksgiving, "I want my party back!"
Republicans aren't what they used to be.
GWB puts shame on the whole party.
I don't know what is worse, that he is acting as if he has a mandate when he just barely one, and some are even contesting the legitimacy of the election, or that the media doesn't seem to be questioning this.
Politicians have always been scumbags, but while they used to be wallowing in a Cesspool scumbags, now they are wallowing in a septic tank scumbags.
Think about it. Compared to what is happening today, was I really that bad of a President?
Republican and Democrat politicians are scumbags. The media are a bunch of scumbags. The people, well I guess the people are just stupid, or at least deluded. But there are a few good, and smart people here and there, and you can't tell who they based soley on if they are a Republican or a Democrat.
I think the Democrats want their party back too.
You Sir, are homicidal.
I like that.
How would you like a possition in my next administration?
You get to kill as many scumbags as you like, with good pay and benefits.
It was human error on the part of the those who set it up and human error on the part of election officials who decided to use a product that wasn't thoroughly tested. Someone beyond the techs that administer the machines needs to be on the hook for this. Just because the machines that failed are electronic doesn't mean that there was no negligence on the part of those that chose to use them.
That's the problem with people that don't understand computers.
They just bow to the computer gods and chant "Computers don't make mistakes."
But maybe us geeks can take advantage of this.
We are the ones that know how to turn the elections.
It is high time we take over this country!
Gerald Ford: "Frankly, I've never felt voting to be all that essential to the process."
OK, I'm joking but think about it. This is what happens when we put politicians in charge of things. And it isn't just electronic voting that most politicians are clueless about. Maybe it is high time we get the government out of our lives, and for real, not just the pandering we get from the Republicans about smaller government.
It was a war people! The purpose of war is to KILL PEOPLE.
Is it a war if we do not formally declare war?
And even in the obvious face of war profiteering, the current administration denies empire-building.
It doesn't go well with the Humanitarian argument they switched to after no WMDs were found.
I think, how much different the worlds' attitude toward empires is now.
I think it started in World War II, maybe WWI, when they started prosecuting soldiers for the (up until then) common pracice of looting. Through most of history, that is where the big payoff was for soldiers and mercinaries. But after WWII they started thinking in terms of ethics within war.
That's why people are appalled at civilian casualties these days.
Ironically, the ratio of combatant to civilian casualties has shifted dramatically towards civilians since then.
I love how all the discussion of marriage leaves out the most important part: children. At the end of the day, the traditional family has been society's way of creating social units to ultimately raise the next generation.
I think what you mean is:
Won't somebody PLEASE think of the children!!!!!
With a line item veto, the president can veto the ammendment, making the comprimise null and void.
Well, maybe they could implement the line item veto differently than the regular veto.
Let's say to override the veto of the entire bill still requires 2/3 majority, but to override a line item veto only requires a simple majority.
If it is really pork that is being killed with the line item veto, the politicians will be less likely to support an override, because then next election time people can look at the vote record and say "Hey, you supported Pork when you overrode the line item veto for 5 million to build statues of something something, and that's not kosher!"
Indeed. The "tax and spend" Democrats have been replaced by "tax cut and spend" Republicans. All the rhetoric about fiscal responsibility is just a facade for the real debate, "pay now or pay later".
And don't forget that when you "pay later" you pay with interest.
That is why I believe that the Republican party, and especially GWB are no longer conservative.
So, the Department of homeland Security was created to simplify, organize and streamline the process of securing our homeland.
OK boys and girls, can you say "Junta"?
Very Good!
(To say nothing about Civil vs Criminal violations.)
(Stay tuned for Marshal Law being declared shortly after the election.)
Let me try.....
www.georgewbush.com: 303 Errors
www.johnkerry.com: 46 Erros
www.votenader.org: unable to validate
(wrong character set? something about not being utf-8 compliant.)
(That sounds bad)
badnarik.org: 12 Errros
www.votecobb.org: Proxy Error
(Can't reach the site. Down for maintenance?)
www.peroutka2004.com: No Character Encoding Found! Falling back to UTF-8.
(Unable to Validate)
(Can't leave out the Christian Reconstructionists
And finally, the most important validation....
www.bushrelativesforkerry.com: 24 Errors.
Oh, wait, I just looked at Badnarik's entry in the voter's pamphlet and he lists his occupation as Sofware Engineer.
That settles it. All true geeks must vote for Badnarik.
www.monkeysforkerry.org ?
I think I would prefer www.radioactivekillermutantmonkeysforkerry.com
But lets face it, I'm um.... something something.
Darn it, I can't think of a way to end this.
Tried www.georgewbush.com from europe says: Access Denied
Try www.georgewbush.org instead.
I believe it is accessible from outside the states.
You need to realize that Bush didn't go to war because of WMDs. He had his own personal reasons for the war. The WMD issue was just their idea at the best way to justify the war to the US population.
True, but there was a lot more evidence to indicate that there were no significant amount of WMDs in Iraq before the invasion. So, didn't they realize that they were going to look very foolish? Or did they expect everyone to accept the bait and switch to say we did it for humanitarian reasons, or to promote democracy.
I suppose they wouldn't be able to justify Shock and Awe if the story was they were going in for humanitarian reasons.
So you're saying we should look at the other poll instead? Based on your logic, I'd like to point out a problem: not all drunks voting in US elections buy their drink in an american bar in Paris, France.
No, that's another flaw that I meant, but forgot, to point out.
What I meant when I said.... "Now, there is one problem that not everyone gets their soda from 7-eleven." I meant are people that get their soda at Circle K different than people who go to 7-eleven, as well as other convenient stores, minimarts, supermarkets, vending machines etc.
As if it isn't annoying enough to getting phone calls from the Democratic party 4 times a day. Next time they call I'll tell them "Well, I was going to vote for Kerry, but I'm so sick of your phone calls I'm voting for Bush."
The problem with that is it could be Bush supporters pretending to be Democrats. I hate them all anyway.
And what is up with everyone asking who you are going to vote for?
I've heard that "they" even have maps of everyone and who they are voting for.
Maybe they are going to declair marshal law no matter who gets elected, and send the losers off to special camps.
At first I was telling people who I was planning to vote for, but I'm still not sure who I'm going to vote for and maybe I should have told them "none of your business."
It is my sincere hope that (relative) sanity will be restored to the US federal government in the near future.
....and what do you mean by restored?
Don't hold your breath....
#4 Being greeted as Liberators. As far as I can see, we are.
Aren't photo ops great?
FOUR MORE YEARS!!!
Yep, that will sure convince a lot of people to change their vote.
Why don't you go back to the Democratic party where you belong you stupid neo-con.
You may think it is a joke but consider this.
It is the sugar, caffeine and alcohol addicted populace that really runs this country.
So the main question is, who is more important, the drunks or the soda addicts?
Now, there is one problem that not everyone gets their soda from 7-eleven.
Heck, when it is this close you might as well be flipping a coin to predict what's going to happen.
And are we still waiting for the October Suprise?
Did I blink and miss it?
Maybe instead of voting for the person we like, we should vote for the person we hate?
Then the person with the least number of votes wins.
Nah, the most hated person usually wins anyway.
It's better than a sharp stick in the eye!
How about this, you can vote for Nixon, or you can get a sharp stick in the eye?
I am destined to become president again.
Well, for one thing, I think that the state Secretary of State is the finally authority in elections in any particular state. At least it is in the state I live in. So that does make him an authority on election matters. That's probably why they quoted him.
Furthermore, lets look at that quote: This seems like a true statement no matter who said it.
And I remember hearing that all this stuff started coming up when he started taking action against the electronic voting machines.
And lets face it, nearly all politicians are scumbags.
They usually ignore each others indiscretions.
One hand washes the other and all that.
would it be legal for me to make a voodoo doll of them? I mean, would you get busted by the secret service if you had a 'W voodoo doll that you stuck pins into?
I'd rather have a Kerry doll, though.
Looks like they have both Bush and Kerry voodoo dolls.
Should we report them to Homeland Security?
I don't think presidential canidates get elected by going door to door.
For one thing the Secret Service would probably give a few people a heart attack. To say nothing about the size of the entire country.
And that show is unrealistic. By the time 2041 comes around, we'll probably have an alien for president. And I for one look.... (duck and cover)
Anyone that isn't voting for Nixon is throwing away their vote!
But realistically, "throwing away your vote" is highly dependent upon which state you live in, at least for the Presidential race. It is in the so called battleground states that your vote really matters. If you are not in one of these states, vote third party. And I'm talking to the Republicans too. The Libertarians have some good ideas. It doesn't seem likely, but it is still possible that if third party canidates got a more significant vote then their ideas would get more voice in the mainstream corporate liberal media.
Now election authorities have a reference database to compare with the digital signatures of software provided to them by vendors. However, only digital signatures of the same versions of software voluntarily provided by voting software vendors are available on the web site. Election authorities having other versions, or versions which have been altered for authorized reasons, will be unable to use this web site for a digital signature comparison.
I'm not sure but I think what this means is that their software can be used to verify that the software that the vendor has sold them is indeed the software that is installed on the machine.
For example, that DIEBOLD AccuVote-OS CC 2.0.12 AE is installed on a machine.
If this is true, then it only confirms that you have the software you think you have on the system. It does not mean that said software will tally an accurate vote. (Having competent software is a different question entirely of what software you have installed on a system.)
Also....
This data may only be used with software that has not yet been installed on a voting machine. With limited exception, once software is installed on a voting machine, it is incapable of generating a digital signature.
I'm not sure I understand why it couldn't be verified afterwards.
Can someone explain this?
At the very least couldn't you wipe the voting machines harddrive and do a re-install?
I think that Liberals are Assholes, and that Conservatives are people that define themselves primarily in opposition to Liberals, and are also Assholes.
I don't think it is in ballance if what both parties are doing destructive things in different ways.
Of course a big problem is that politicians don't practice what they preach.
Republicans, for instance, talk about small government. If they actually worked for smaller government that could be a very good thing.
Maybe it is just something about politicians. Maybe when you get elected to cogress or anything significant the men in black break into your house at night and inject you with a drug that turns you into an asshole?
I can't remember myself because I think they also use that memory eraser thing too.
Words of his father? How about the words of John Kerry
With all due disrespect, I think John Kerry is an asshole.
I don't think he will do quite as much dammage as I think GWB could do, that doesn't mean I like him.
I would rather have Kerry than GWB, but I'd rather have George HW Bush than Kerry. And that doesn't mean I like HW either, but at least he knew what he was doing.
Fuck Kerry.
If I could choose the next president it would be Badnarik.
Well, both Bush supporters and Kerry supporters have a different view of reality. Whose view is closer to the actual reality is up to debate, but neither is completely accurate.
I joked that we should send the Bush supporters to the Bush Universe, and likewise with Kerry, but what I reall want is to open a portal to a hell dimention and send them both there. They are all a bunch of assholes and we would be better off without them.
This November, vote for Nixon's Head in a jar mounted on a big freaking robot body.
Who else would be better suited to deal with the terrorist threat?