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ryuzaki0
on from the inspiring-the-masses dept.
A few names always tend to crop up in a discussion of this nature.
The advocates are the people who spread the message of Open Source outside of just the guys who read Slashdot and freshmeat obsessively. Who does it the best? Nominate the person you feel deserves it most.
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Re:Tom Christiansen
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amen brother! I'm the guy popular on slashdot for my numerouse "I Hate Tom Christiansen posts". I am also the author of "All I want for Xmas are Tom Christiansen's 2 front teeth" (I sing that to my kids every night).
Tom is a pure asshole. There is no other way to say it. If he could, he would fuck his own brain because he is obviously in love with it. Being exposed to the Open Source environment, I have had the pleasure of being around some truly intelligent people. The thing that distinguishes most of them from Tom is they are able to connect with people. Intelligence is wasted if people ignore you. It's a shame that Tom is such a bitter person.
Re:Tom Christiansen
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Are you on crack? The person I described is almost exactly opposite what Tom Christiansen is actually like. I was shooting for a "funny" score, you dumbshit. Anybody who's read slashdot for more than five minutes would probably killfile him if/. used nntp.
Re:Tom Christiansen
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Oh, you're that loon. I get it. Tom Christiansen is many things to many people, but one he isn't is someone who suffers fools gladly. I respect him for that. What you said was so accurate I was sure you weren't fooling. I didn't know people were so nasty.
*NOT* the likes of Perens, ESR etc
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ESR already has millions of ill deserved money from the VA IPO. Perens gets a whacking bonus from Pixar. Why not give the $$$ to someone who is not in the limelight so much? Eric Raymond never, ever misses a chance to trot his ego in public. RMS however is the Grand Father of Free Software and Open Source. Without the likes of RMS and the countless others that I am too unknowledgable to mention, we would not be where we are today.
So, accept this plea: the likes of ESR etc DONT DESERVE any more attention - RMS, Wall, Christiansen and others do.
Or has OSS just turned into an ego-love fest for those that get paid to strutt their 'stuff' in public?
Re:*NOT* the likes of Perens, ESR etc
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ESR already has millions of ill deserved money from the VA IPO. Perens gets a whacking bonus from Pixar. Why not give the $$$ to someone who is not in the limelight so much? Eric Raymond never, ever misses a chance to trot his ego in public. RMS however is the Grand Father of Free Software and Open Source. Without the likes of RMS and the countless others that I am too unknowledgable to mention, we would not be where we are today. So, accept this plea: the likes of ESR etc DONT DESERVE any more attention - RMS, Wall, Christiansen and others do. Or has OSS just turned into an ego-love fest for those that get paid to strutt their 'stuff' in public?
RMS and ESR have obviously gotten their financial rewards already. What about the other two you mentioned? It would be nice to spread the wealth.
rms / perens
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give award to perens or rms
The Perl community as a whole
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I nominate the entire Perl community, as a group, as the best advocates of open-source software.
It's hard to choose any one of them who stands taller than the rest, because so many of them are brilliant and dedicated. Perl is not just the work of Larry Wall, but of all those people who helped him create it and who continue to expand on it today.
These folks made it easy for anyone to contribute code to extend the capacity of Perl. These folks created CPAN, which makes it simple to share and reuse Perl code. CPAN is the single best repository of useful tools anywhere on the Internet. And even today it keeps getting bigger and bigger.
Where would we be today, without Perl and CPAN? It's hard to imagine. The software which the Perl folks have created is indispensable to anyone who has anything to do with the Internet.
Taken as a whole, Perl and CPAN are a set of resources which is a much more valuable thing than any one of us could have devised, working on our own. And it's all open-source. It is the very best example of what open-source projects can achieve.
Bruce Perens
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Isn't it obvious?
Re:Bruce Perens
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No, it's not obvious. Both RMS and Perens have caused a lot of harm to our community. They deserve no award for this.
Agree. Perens and RMS have both harmed the reputation of open source. To the rest of the world, they make it appear that its supporters are anti-business, anti-commercial zealots. They do not deserve to be rewarded for this behavior.
--Brett Glass
Re:ESR is the one!
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I so totally agree!
Rick Moen
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"Rick Moen will be there, will you?"
A longtime and very dedicated activist in San Francisco. A good writer, FUD-fighter, natural organizer, and hard-working volunteer tech support provider in LUGs. Rick has probably done more for the LUGs and Linux community around San Francisco than any other person.
NOMINATE MAE LING MAK NAKED AND PETRIFIED
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NOMINATE MAE LING MAK NAKED AND PETRIFIED
My raw, dirty asshole!
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Hell yeah, bitch!
Re:Tom Christiansen
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I think Tom prefers to spread free software instead of GPL'd software, but the rest of what you said is right on the money. I second your nomination!
Re:Tom Christiansen
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Tom's an idiot.
Larry Wall
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Larry Wall. He doesn't rant against anyone, tries to help everyone, and gives his code away for use by anyone, even Microsoft users. He doesn't restrict his good works to things that only benefit his friends. He doesn't preach, but lives by example.
Larry is diabolically nice and will probably conquer the world one day. Besides, who else could make a talk about Unicode fun? I doubt anyone discussed on this forum thus far could use the money personally. Most of the candidates will probably donate the money to a favorite charity in any case. Are there any candidates with legal problems who could use the money? Simplexton
Tom Christiansen
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I would like to nominate Tom Christiansen because of his kind attitude and big heart. He always has something nice to say about Richard Stallman, and his work to further the spread of GPL'ed software is unparalleled.
His contributions to Slashdot discussions are always mature, level-headed, and well-reasoned. He is a shining example of what Free Software advocates should be like.
He is always very helpful on #Perl, and is patient with everyone who makes mistakes. This is exactly the sort of person we need as our advocate.
I must agree on this point.. Ballard never ceases to amaze me with the informativeness and level-headedness of his posts, a rarity on the modern Usenet. Reportedly, he's had experience in the field as a computing professional, and it shows.
I think you guys are missing the obvious here. Through the founding of the Linux OS and his constant advocacy w/out extremes Linus has probably done more good for Open Source than ESR and RMS combined (assuming all positives/and/ negatives, not just the positive things)
-- "No nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare." --James Madison
you're right: look at the good *and* the bad side
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Reinout
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You're right. It is important not only to look at the good things somebody has said, but also at the negative 'karma' he generated. But one has to remain honest here.
Most of those who shall remain unnamed did a awfull lot of good advocacy. The bad press they got and the riots they ignited were mostly internal. When RMS and ESR are discussed WE make a lot of fuss about it. WE flame eachother. WE make us seem like a bunch of anarchists. Are they wholly to be blamed for what WE do?
I nominate Richard Stallman, simply because when everybody cried "put up or shut up!" he put up. Rather than talking about a community, he made one.
I would also give ESR honorable mention - he's providing a necessary function to the "outside world" by journalling the goings-on inside the community.
Terry "LabRat" Dawson (#linuxaus)
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I'd like to nominate Terry. Since I have been part of LinuxAus he has tirerlessly promoted OpenSource software. Between juggling University, work and a new family he has managed to preach the ideals in a way that make sense.
Hell, he has gotten me to a stage where I am offering time to do work for GNU.org and soon LDP
-- "That is not dead which can eternal lie...."
Nimheil
Re:Terry "LabRat" Dawson (#linuxaus)
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Here here! A great bloke. Sticks by his ideals, and manages to make a big difference even though he isn't the most vocal (read: ESR, RMS, Perens) in the community. Besides, it'd be nice to have someone besides the "obvious" (read: those that Slashdot readers think are God-like, which aren't btw - just people, with flaws like everyone else) chosen, wouldn't it?
Not an "official" Open Source advocate per se; but R.E BALLARD does a really great job in my opinion in some Linux related newsgroups. I became interested in Linux by reading his posts. It will be a nice thing to give an award to anonymous person (although he his not really one). ESR, RMS, PERENS and others have already had plenty of distinctions.
You can view some of Ballard posting history in Deja.com
I don't personally know this guy, but this guy shows up everywhere (usenet, mailing-lists, even slashdot), and he always has something insightful to say. He's so eloquent, too.
I'm surprised he hasn't been mentioned yet. Next to Ballard, I'd go with cbbrowne.
I'm going to nominate whoever has been the most influential/best at Loki Games. They have been successful in providing the one thing that Linux has lacked, an abundance of quality games. Sadly, this seems to entail that they be commercial.
Chris Hagar
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"The price of freedom is eternal vigilance." - Thomas Jefferson
I'm only writing this comment because I really believe if a person deserves this prize it must surely go to Eric Raymond. With his great articles he showed to the world how the open-source model(the Bazaar) functions in contrast to the closed one(the cathedral). Without him the source code of Netscape probably wouldn't be released. Thanks ESR, for his contributions to us.
-- "Learning, learning, learning - that is the secret of jewish survival" -- Ahad A'Ham
My vote's for Eric too, if it wasn't for him I might never have started using Linux at all. His essays are an inspiration to anyone who's interested in computers in any way.
-- To err is human,
To really screw up, you need a computer!
The sad fact of the matter is...
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karb
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It's kind of like picking the best comedian of Monty Python. Get some five-sided dice, and make sure the contest lasts for at least five years.
Really, I would hate to be the person that would have to pick between Linus, RMS, and ESR.
As for the whole "controversial-so-we-shouldn't-nominate-them" thing, come on. Is there anyone who can sit around all day and talk about linux and not make about everybody mad? No. People that don't make people mad Aren't Talking About Everything. That's fine, but it doesn't necessarily make you a great advocate.
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Jack Valenti and the MPAA are to technology as the Boston strangler is to the woman home alone
Unlike many open source advocates who are "more talk than action," Tim O'Reilly has promoted open source in a way that others have not: by making it accessible. By publishing books documenting key open source programs such as Perl, Python, Apache, etc., O'Reilly has demystified these often poorly documented programs. His actions have had more to do with the success of open source than the demagoguery of, say, ESR or RMS. He gets my vote.
Without the continuous unreliability of their earlier server products, many companies would not know to look for viable alternatives, including (but not limited to) the "Open Source" environments.
Some of our best advocates have managed never to put a foot wrong; I think the LWN writers are always bang on, for example. But hell, some of the best deserve to be forgiven their mistakes, they've made a lot happen and talked a lot of sense. I'll nominate Bruce Perens for this category; I think it's well deserved, and besides, ESR or Chris DiBona would lose $10,000 behind the sofa:-) --
Personally, I'd like to nominate the entire readership of Slashdot, the entire Linux community and the entire [Free|Open|Net]BSD community. There is -no- better advocacy than a satisfied* user. Anyone can talk the talk, but it takes being genuine to walk the walk.
(*Satisfied, in this case, can include people who are unhappy with some aspect of the OS of their choice, but believe in it because they can fix whatever it is that's not so great.)
-- It's a small world and it smells funny; I'd buy another if it wasn't for the money; Take back what I paid (SoM)
Slashdot Mirror
amen brother! I'm the guy popular on slashdot for my numerouse "I Hate Tom Christiansen posts". I am also the author of "All I want for Xmas are Tom Christiansen's 2 front teeth" (I sing that to my kids every night).
Tom is a pure asshole. There is no other way to say it. If he could, he would fuck his own brain because he is obviously in love with it. Being exposed to the Open Source environment, I have had the pleasure of being around some truly intelligent people. The thing that distinguishes most of them from Tom is they are able to connect with people. Intelligence is wasted if people ignore you. It's a shame that Tom is such a bitter person.
Are you on crack? The person I described is almost exactly opposite what Tom Christiansen is actually like. I was shooting for a "funny" score, you dumbshit. Anybody who's read slashdot for more than five minutes would probably killfile him if /. used nntp.
Oh, you're that loon. I get it. Tom Christiansen is many things to many people, but one he isn't is someone who suffers fools gladly. I respect him for that. What you said was so accurate I was sure you weren't fooling. I didn't know people were so nasty.
So, accept this plea: the likes of ESR etc DONT DESERVE any more attention - RMS, Wall, Christiansen and others do.
Or has OSS just turned into an ego-love fest for those that get paid to strutt their 'stuff' in public?
give award to perens or rms
I nominate the entire Perl community, as a group, as the best advocates of open-source software.
It's hard to choose any one of them who stands taller than the rest, because so many of them are brilliant and dedicated. Perl is not just the work of Larry Wall, but of all those people who helped him create it and who continue to expand on it today.
These folks made it easy for anyone to contribute code to extend the capacity of Perl. These folks created CPAN, which makes it simple to share and reuse Perl code. CPAN is the single best repository of useful tools anywhere on the Internet. And even today it keeps getting bigger and bigger.
Where would we be today, without Perl and CPAN? It's hard to imagine. The software which the Perl folks have created is indispensable to anyone who has anything to do with the Internet.
Taken as a whole, Perl and CPAN are a set of resources which is a much more valuable thing than any one of us could have devised, working on our own. And it's all open-source. It is the very best example of what open-source projects can achieve.
Isn't it obvious?
I so totally agree!
A longtime and very dedicated activist in San Francisco. A good writer, FUD-fighter, natural organizer, and hard-working volunteer tech support provider in LUGs. Rick has probably done more for the LUGs and Linux community around San Francisco than any other person.
NOMINATE MAE LING MAK NAKED AND PETRIFIED
Hell yeah, bitch!
I think Tom prefers to spread free software instead of GPL'd software, but the rest of what you said is right on the money. I second your nomination!
Tom's an idiot.
Larry Wall. He doesn't rant against anyone, tries to help everyone, and gives his code away for use by anyone, even Microsoft users. He doesn't restrict his good works to things that only benefit his friends. He doesn't preach, but lives by example.
I would like to nominate Tom Christiansen because of his kind attitude and big heart. He always has something nice to say about Richard Stallman, and his work to further the spread of GPL'ed software is unparalleled.
His contributions to Slashdot discussions are always mature, level-headed, and well-reasoned. He is a shining example of what Free Software advocates should be like.
He is always very helpful on #Perl, and is patient with everyone who makes mistakes. This is exactly the sort of person we need as our advocate.
I must agree on this point.. Ballard never ceases to amaze me with the informativeness and level-headedness of his posts, a rarity on the modern Usenet. Reportedly, he's had experience in the field as a computing professional, and it shows.
I think you guys are missing the obvious here. Through the founding of the Linux OS and his constant advocacy w/out extremes Linus has probably done more good for Open Source than ESR and RMS combined (assuming all positives /and/ negatives, not just the positive things)
"No nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare."
--James Madison
You're right. It is important not only to look at the good things somebody has said, but also at the negative 'karma' he generated. But one has to remain honest here.
Most of those who shall remain unnamed did a awfull lot of good advocacy. The bad press they got and the riots they ignited were mostly internal. When RMS and ESR are discussed WE make a lot of fuss about it. WE flame eachother. WE make us seem like a bunch of anarchists. Are they wholly to be blamed for what WE do?
just my 2 dutch cents
Reinout
Reinout van Rees
I would also give ESR honorable mention - he's providing a necessary function to the "outside world" by journalling the goings-on inside the community.
Hell, he has gotten me to a stage where I am offering time to do work for GNU.org and soon LDP
--darkewolf@cyberpunks.org
"That is not dead which can eternal lie...."
Nimheil
Not an "official" Open Source advocate per se; but R.E BALLARD does a really great job in my opinion in some Linux related newsgroups. I became interested in Linux by reading his posts. It will be a nice thing to give an award to anonymous person (although he his not really one). ESR, RMS, PERENS and others have already had plenty of distinctions.
r =R.E.Ballard%20(%20Rex%20Ballard%20)%20%3c r.e.ballard@usa.net%3e&ST=PS
You can view some of Ballard posting history in Deja.com
http://www.deja.com/[ST_rn=ps]/profile.xp?autho
I don't personally know this guy, but this guy shows up everywhere (usenet, mailing-lists, even slashdot), and he always has something insightful to say. He's so eloquent, too.
I'm surprised he hasn't been mentioned yet. Next to Ballard, I'd go with cbbrowne.
I'm going to nominate whoever has been the most influential/best at Loki Games. They have been successful in providing the one thing that Linux has lacked, an abundance of quality games. Sadly, this seems to entail that they be commercial.
Chris Hagar
"The price of freedom is eternal vigilance." - Thomas Jefferson
I'm only writing this comment because I really believe if a person deserves this prize it must surely go to Eric Raymond.
With his great articles he showed to the world how the open-source model(the Bazaar) functions in contrast to the closed one(the cathedral). Without him the source code of Netscape probably wouldn't be released.
Thanks ESR, for his contributions to us.
"Learning, learning, learning - that is the secret of jewish survival" -- Ahad A'Ham
Really, I would hate to be the person that would have to pick between Linus, RMS, and ESR.
As for the whole "controversial-so-we-shouldn't-nominate-them" thing, come on. Is there anyone who can sit around all day and talk about linux and not make about everybody mad? No. People that don't make people mad Aren't Talking About Everything. That's fine, but it doesn't necessarily make you a great advocate.
Jack Valenti and the MPAA are to technology as the Boston strangler is to the woman home alone
Hear, hear! You beat me to this nomination.
Without Microsoft to compare to, where would Open Source be? IBM and Sun aren't nearly evil enough.
--Brett Glass
for GPLing doom and quake, bringing quake3 for linux shrink-wrapped in the shops, promoting openGL vs. MS-directX
I would, however, retract this nomination if maddog has already received an award for said advocacy.
Without the continuous unreliability of their earlier server products, many companies would not know to look for viable alternatives, including (but not limited to) the "Open Source" environments.
Some of our best advocates have managed never to put a foot wrong; I think the LWN writers are always bang on, for example. But hell, some of the best deserve to be forgiven their mistakes, they've made a lot happen and talked a lot of sense. I'll nominate Bruce Perens for this category; I think it's well deserved, and besides, ESR or Chris DiBona would lose $10,000 behind the sofa :-)
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Xenu loves you!
(*Satisfied, in this case, can include people who are unhappy with some aspect of the OS of their choice, but believe in it because they can fix whatever it is that's not so great.)
It's a small world and it smells funny; I'd buy another if it wasn't for the money; Take back what I paid (SoM)