Other countries like Brazil, China and France are adopting open source software and ideas faster than USA. This is interesting to see because most open source developers are concentrated in the States.
Just as a pointer: Richar Stallman participated in a debate about patents and trademarks in the World Social Forum realized in Porto Alegre, Brazil. See this link: http://www.softwarelivre.rs.gov.br/ (sorry, its in portuguese!!!) and this one http://www.fsm.rs.gov.br/ing/index.php (in english!).
Its very clear that some day Sun and other Unix vendors will surrender totally to Linux and other great open source tools!
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I live in Brazil, where AOL tried to enter the market but loses constantly to national ISPs. We here have many free ISPs and also some who charges money but offers a lot of content.
I believe the future of the Net will still be created by us: engineers, developers, programmers, system and network administrators. We are the Internet power. Our communities and associations with scientific and open spirits are the only way to mantain and establish open standards and open source softwares who can keep the Net and all its infrastructure alive. Without us the corporatists are nothing more than crying babies and the machines will simply stop!
I believe open source projects must try to use the standard and most used licences like xGPl ones or from FSF. This will help the ouside world view our community as a whole body and not a big mess(like I heard one day from a CEO).
A soldier's job is not to die for his country. His job is to make the other poor bastard die for his. Well, this phrase and its origin explains everything about your position. This sentence was written by Patton. He was one of the craziest american general in WWII. Maybe some of us don't know but after the surrender of Germany he pressed the american president to launch a nuclear and conventional attack, with the help of the surviving german troops(who hated above all the russians), against Soviet Union.
Do you really think US has the right to intervene in a country using the excuse of "humanitarism"? Why then they don't press the russian government to stop the chechen slaughter? Why they just don't stop to sell weapons to Turkey, who uses them to destroy and supress the curdish people? Why they waited to do something about the situaition in East Timor? Oh, sorry! I forgot that Turkey is a NATO member and Serbia not! I forgot that Indonesia is an asiatic Tiger and a strategic ally of USA in the Pacific. Oh, I forgot that US wants to integrate Russia in his sphere of financial influence and has nuke weapons to pressure everyone.
But it doesn't matter, what matters is your proud to be a nationalist and see your country dominates others, instead of helping them to develop and rise their standards of living!
It's obvious the US government wants the best minds working for them in criptology and cyberwarfare. This is a great position to work, because these people will receive a very good pay(at least I think so!), will have at their disposition the best equipment, laboratories and information and also an entry in the curriculum who certainly will give prestige. But when these people suceeds in decrypting a secret code or penetrating and disrupting a foreign network who control communications and the electrical sector of a country, they are surely killing human beings as if they dropped a bomb in them. So if you think you can assume a position in the army, don't forget that you are taking a choice in my view immoral, because nothing can transform a war in a good cause(unless you believe in holy wars). If you are really a hacker with an ethical code(like RMS or ESR) then think twice before getting this job. Oops! I forget to post as an Anonymous Coward! Now the US government will punish me to preach against military and war... But I'm lucky to live in Brazil, Uf!!!
Do you think open-source and free software is really a revolution or only a hype? How do you think things will become in the software industry in the future with open-source variable inserted in their middle? And do you think this model could lead to a more competitive and less monopolistic market?
The first thing to do. Let's kill all journalists!
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Y2K problem was not only hype. If nothing has been done catastrophe would appear and the world eventually would return to the XVII century. But Many consulting firms, analysts and programmers exaggerated the problems and the quantity of time necessary to eliminate the bug. But I think the real villains are the media and the journalists. How a person could talk or write about a subject which he don't know? Journalist profession must be rethinked. I believe it even don't exist. The best person to be a journalist is a specialist in the area in whick he writes. In the economy section we put an economist, in the political section a sociologist, in the tech section a engineer or physicist. A person who know nothing about everything is as useless as a penguim in the tropics!
I'm only writing this comment because I really believe if a person deserves this prize it must surely go to Eric Raymond. With his great articles he showed to the world how the open-source model(the Bazaar) functions in contrast to the closed one(the cathedral). Without him the source code of Netscape probably wouldn't be released. Thanks ESR, for his contributions to us.
Surely the most deserving title worth the prize is Using Samba by O'Reilly. First because their authors open-sourced the book. You can read it at this address. Second because Samba is the project who is giving the best advocacy argument to us, Linux lovers. To put a Linux server in an enterprise, instead of (Argh!) NT we must ensure the boss that machines with Windows 95 and 98 also can connect and use the Linux box as easily as if would be an NT. And the Using Samba book is the complete, official and best reference written about the best practices and examples to make Samba works(many times with best performance than a NT or W2K box!).
We can only send our warmest gratitude to the Apple team who adopted the open-source model in some of their projects. I personally will seek the HeaderDoc source. Finally a great way to generate a well documented source code for C and C++. Now we, C developers, have a tool similar to the Java one!
Do you think that after the ending of the Microsoft trial, the company will begin its FUD tactics to undermine the open-source model? And do you think Windows 2K can become a real threat to Linux when launched on february?
You said in an interview that it's possible to shut down all the Internet. How you possibly might do that? With a DoS attack in some routers or by taking command of some servers in the principal backbones of the USA?
He is right showing the problem is an exchange between performance and security. But we must think if we want Quake's server to become slower, creating a lesser quality game in the network, or if we mantain the same characteristics on the server and let some hackers take the advantage out of it when coding the client(I think they deserved it. It's not anyone who can do this type of hacks!). Of course that softwares who are used in systems who need more security(like web servers, financial systems, etc.) must surely trade performance for a better protection against clever client coders.
I think everyone has the right to do a distribution. Of course sending only the binary code is a break from the GPL model. After reading the article I can see that they have very great problems and apparently are hiding information about their company.
As we live in a capitalist society everyone has the right to open a business and go IPO. But everyone also have the right to know the economic health of a firm and his credentials. But we don't live in an ideal world. This year the stock exchanges got mad in stocks of high technology, computer, software and Internet comnpanies. Companies who are betting in the open-source model are now the golden eggs of the investors. But investors and economists don't know well the computer and software world(this is not a shame, not everyone in the world must be a geek like us!). Usually they put money in any company wich has the word Linux attached to it.
The best thing that can be done is if some people who works with free software could warn the investors about the dangers of companies who hides their operations and in the case of LinuxOne point them to the great article in LinuxWorld. Many may think that this is not of our concern, but if an hipothetical company who bases its products on GPL software eventually breaks, we will see a run of capitals from other companies like Red Hat and VA, because of the fall of trust that wil be created by this. And this event will trigger a vicious circle of bad public opinion to the open-source world.
Holy ignorance, Batman! Java born out based on C++ who on his turn is based in C. Without Kernigham, Ritchie and Stroustrup Java could never be thought about!
And one question to you: Can you create a full and good operating system(like Linux) with Java? And C++ continues to be much more fast than code that run in Java Virtual Machines. Java have its virtues but can never substitute a powerful language like C.
I fully agree with Stallman in this issue. Sun created a license to bind everyone who liked the idea of the Java language and use it. It's interesting to see that Sun saw the great success and power of the GPL and open-source model and perverted the idea mantaining the mark of free.
We can remember this words of Patrick Henry: "Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!" Is laziness so sweet as to be purchased at the price of the chains of a perverted license? We must follow the idea of Mr. Stallman and create our own version of the Java language GPL'd of course!
Probably because of my background(I'm a brazilian) I studied the History of the United States without the many myths surrounding it in episodes like the founding of the colonies, the "democratic" american revolution, the civil war and the period of reconstruction. Theodore Roosevelt was the most weird american president(my opinion). He invaded Cuba and expanded more the territories of the United States and the policy of imperialism(remember the expansion of the USA to the Pacific and Phillipines). He loved hunting and guns and often had explosions of rage when his decisions were contested by the Congress. And Woodrow Wilson launched the policy of "America for the americans". His discourse is very beautiful, but behind this lied a policy to show, specially to Europe, that all Americas should stay in the sphere of influence of the USA. This speech influenced generations of north american governments until today to use any methods they could to protect american interests in Central and South America. So I must disagree with the point made by David Brin about these two presidents and their positions concerning democracy.
We must understand that when someone buys stocks from a company he surely is thinking only in terms of how much he will gain in the long term. But this money is in turn transformed in an investment to the company who receive it. The huge sums of money invested in open-source and free software projects are used to contract and put to work a great number of programmers in full time. This is a great opportunity to enhance and produce a great array of softwares. We only must put pressure in these companies so they mantain the licenses GPL'd. But now imagine that Red Hat, VA and other companies who are basing their profits in the open-source softwares break. Things will continue to develop, not at the same pace, but we still have many developers who work with open-source for the love and idealism that it brings. This is our power, the power of flexibility. So come to us, Almighty Buck! We are very proud to receive and use you, but when you go away we will mantain our aim to develop good, free and open-source software. Now that we proved the taste of heaven we shall not fall back in hell(i.e. Micro$oft software!).
This is an impotant step in the open-source movement. I think many open-source projects fail because of our geek nature. We are proud an many times very individualistic and we often like to start a project and not participate in one already established.
Can this idea of a common API to real-time systems and the union of developers behind a standard be used also in the many different projects of Windows environments based on X?
I believe we can't forget a man who died this year and contributed with all his knowledge and practice to the Unix world. A person only can be called a programmer if already read "Advanced Programming in the UNIX Environment" or "UNIX Network Programming". Rest in peace Richard Stevens, a man who believed in the diffusion of knowledge.
"Learning, learning, learning - that is the secret of jewish survival" -- Ahad A'Ham.
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Other countries like Brazil, China and France are adopting open source software and ideas faster than USA. This is interesting to see because most open source developers are concentrated in the States.
Just as a pointer: Richar Stallman participated in a debate about patents and trademarks in the World Social Forum realized in Porto Alegre, Brazil. See this link: http://www.softwarelivre.rs.gov.br/ (sorry, its in portuguese!!!) and this one http://www.fsm.rs.gov.br/ing/index.php (in english!).
Well,
Its very clear that some day Sun and other Unix vendors will surrender totally to Linux and other great open source tools!
I live in Brazil, where AOL tried to enter the market but loses constantly to national ISPs. We here have many free ISPs and also some who charges money but offers a lot of content.
I believe the future of the Net will still be created by us: engineers, developers, programmers, system and network administrators. We are the Internet power. Our communities and associations with scientific and open spirits are the only way to mantain and establish open standards and open source softwares who can keep the Net and all its infrastructure alive. Without us the corporatists are nothing more than crying babies and the machines will simply stop!
Thank you all.
Jose Paulo Papo, from Brazil
I believe open source projects must try to use the standard and most used licences like xGPl ones or from FSF. This will help the ouside world view our community as a whole body and not a big mess(like I heard one day from a CEO).
Thank you.
José Paulo Papo, from Brazil
A soldier's job is not to die for his country. His job is to make the other poor bastard die for his. Well, this phrase and its origin explains everything about your position. This sentence was written by Patton. He was one of the craziest american general in WWII. Maybe some of us don't know but after the surrender of Germany he pressed the american president to launch a nuclear and conventional attack, with the help of the surviving german troops(who hated above all the russians), against Soviet Union.
Do you really think US has the right to intervene in a country using the excuse of "humanitarism"? Why then they don't press the russian government to stop the chechen slaughter? Why they just don't stop to sell weapons to Turkey, who uses them to destroy and supress the curdish people? Why they waited to do something about the situaition in East Timor? Oh, sorry! I forgot that Turkey is a NATO member and Serbia not! I forgot that Indonesia is an asiatic Tiger and a strategic ally of USA in the Pacific. Oh, I forgot that US wants to integrate Russia in his sphere of financial influence and has nuke weapons to pressure everyone.
But it doesn't matter, what matters is your proud to be a nationalist and see your country dominates others, instead of helping them to develop and rise their standards of living!
It's obvious the US government wants the best minds working for them in criptology and cyberwarfare. This is a great position to work, because these people will receive a very good pay(at least I think so!), will have at their disposition the best equipment, laboratories and information and also an entry in the curriculum who certainly will give prestige.
But when these people suceeds in decrypting a secret code or penetrating and disrupting a foreign network who control communications and the electrical sector of a country, they are surely killing human beings as if they dropped a bomb in them. So if you think you can assume a position in the army, don't forget that you are taking a choice in my view immoral, because nothing can transform a war in a good cause(unless you believe in holy wars). If you are really a hacker with an ethical code(like RMS or ESR) then think twice before getting this job.
Oops! I forget to post as an Anonymous Coward! Now the US government will punish me to preach against military and war... But I'm lucky to live in Brazil, Uf!!!
Do you think open-source and free software is really a revolution or only a hype? How do you think things will become in the software industry in the future with open-source variable inserted in their middle? And do you think this model could lead to a more competitive and less monopolistic market?
Y2K problem was not only hype. If nothing has been done catastrophe would appear and the world eventually would return to the XVII century. But Many consulting firms, analysts and programmers exaggerated the problems and the quantity of time necessary to eliminate the bug.
But I think the real villains are the media and the journalists. How a person could talk or write about a subject which he don't know? Journalist profession must be rethinked. I believe it even don't exist. The best person to be a journalist is a specialist in the area in whick he writes. In the economy section we put an economist, in the political section a sociologist, in the tech section a engineer or physicist. A person who know nothing about everything is as useless as a penguim in the tropics!
I'm only writing this comment because I really believe if a person deserves this prize it must surely go to Eric Raymond.
With his great articles he showed to the world how the open-source model(the Bazaar) functions in contrast to the closed one(the cathedral). Without him the source code of Netscape probably wouldn't be released.
Thanks ESR, for his contributions to us.
Surely the most deserving title worth the prize is Using Samba by O'Reilly. First because their authors open-sourced the book. You can read it at
this address. Second because Samba is the project who is giving the best advocacy argument to us, Linux lovers. To put a Linux server in an enterprise, instead of (Argh!) NT we must ensure the boss that machines with Windows 95 and 98 also can connect and use the Linux box as easily as if would be an NT. And the Using Samba book is the complete, official and best reference written about the best practices and examples to make Samba works(many times with best performance than a NT or W2K box!).
We can only send our warmest gratitude to the Apple team who adopted the open-source model in some of their projects. I personally will seek the HeaderDoc source. Finally a great way to generate a well documented source code for C and C++. Now we, C developers, have a tool similar to the Java one!
Do you think that after the ending of the Microsoft trial, the company will begin its FUD tactics to undermine the open-source model? And do you think Windows 2K can become a real threat to Linux when launched on february?
You said in an interview that it's possible to shut down all the Internet. How you possibly might do that? With a DoS attack in some routers or by taking command of some servers in the principal backbones of the USA?
He is right showing the problem is an exchange between performance and security. But we must think if we want Quake's server to become slower, creating a lesser quality game in the network, or if we mantain the same characteristics on the server and let some hackers take the advantage out of it when coding the client(I think they deserved it. It's not anyone who can do this type of hacks!).
Of course that softwares who are used in systems who need more security(like web servers, financial systems, etc.) must surely trade performance for a better protection against clever client coders.
I think everyone has the right to do a distribution. Of course sending only the binary code is a break from the GPL model. After reading the article I can see that they have very great problems and apparently are hiding information about their company.
As we live in a capitalist society everyone has the right to open a business and go IPO. But everyone also have the right to know the economic health of a firm and his credentials. But we don't live in an ideal world. This year the stock exchanges got mad in stocks of high technology, computer, software and Internet comnpanies.
Companies who are betting in the open-source model are now the golden eggs of the investors. But investors and economists don't know well the
computer and software world(this is not a shame, not everyone in the world must be a geek like us!). Usually they put money in any company
wich has the word Linux attached to it.
The best thing that can be done is if some people who works with free software could warn the investors about the dangers of companies
who hides their operations and in the case of LinuxOne point them to the great article in LinuxWorld. Many may think that this is not of our concern, but if an hipothetical company who bases its products on GPL software eventually breaks, we will see a run of capitals from other companies like Red Hat and VA, because of the fall of trust that wil be created by this. And this event will trigger a vicious circle of bad public opinion to the open-source world.
We must be vigilant...
Holy ignorance, Batman! Java born out based on C++ who on his turn is based in C. Without Kernigham, Ritchie and Stroustrup Java could never be thought about!
And one question to you: Can you create a full and good operating system(like Linux) with Java? And C++ continues to be much more fast than code that run in Java Virtual Machines. Java have its virtues but can never substitute a powerful language like C.
I fully agree with Stallman in this issue. Sun created a license to bind everyone who liked the idea of the Java language and use it.
It's interesting to see that Sun saw the great success and power of the GPL and open-source model and perverted the idea mantaining the mark of free.
We can remember this words of Patrick Henry: "Is life so dear, or peace so sweet, as to be purchased at the price of chains and slavery? Forbid it, Almighty God! I know not what course others may take; but as for me, give me liberty or give me death!"
Is laziness so sweet as to be purchased at the price of the chains of a perverted license? We must follow the idea of Mr. Stallman and create our own version of the Java language GPL'd of course!
Probably because of my background(I'm a brazilian) I studied the History of the United States without the many myths surrounding it in episodes like the founding of the colonies, the "democratic" american revolution, the civil war and the period of reconstruction.
Theodore Roosevelt was the most weird american president(my opinion). He invaded Cuba and expanded more the territories of the United States and the policy of imperialism(remember the expansion of the USA to the Pacific and Phillipines). He loved hunting and guns and often had explosions of rage when his decisions were contested by the Congress.
And Woodrow Wilson launched the policy of "America for the americans". His discourse is very beautiful, but behind this lied a policy to show, specially to Europe, that all Americas should stay in the sphere of influence of the USA. This speech influenced generations of north american governments until today to use any methods they could to protect american interests in Central and South America.
So I must disagree with the point made by David Brin about these two presidents and their positions concerning democracy.
We must understand that when someone buys stocks from a company he surely is thinking only in terms of how much he will gain in the long term. But this money is in turn transformed in an investment to the company who receive it. The huge sums of money invested in open-source and free software projects are used to contract and put to work a great number of programmers in full time. This is a great opportunity to enhance and produce a great array of softwares. We only must put pressure in these companies so they mantain the licenses GPL'd.
But now imagine that Red Hat, VA and other companies who are basing their profits in the open-source softwares break. Things will continue to develop, not at the same pace, but we still have many developers who work with open-source for the love and idealism that it brings.
This is our power, the power of flexibility. So come to us, Almighty Buck! We are very proud to receive and use you, but when you go away we will mantain our aim to develop good, free and open-source software. Now that we proved the taste of heaven we shall not fall back in hell(i.e. Micro$oft software!).
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You're right, I consulted now my copy of "Unix Network Programming 2nd Ed. Vol. 1". Sorry by my error. Thank you for correcting me.
This is an impotant step in the open-source movement. I think many open-source projects fail because of our geek nature. We are proud an many times very individualistic and we often like to start a project and not participate in one already established.
Can this idea of a common API to real-time systems and the union of developers behind a standard be used also in the many different projects of Windows environments based on X?
I believe we can't forget a man who died this year and contributed with all his knowledge and practice to the Unix world. A person only can be called a programmer if already read "Advanced Programming in the UNIX Environment" or "UNIX Network Programming". Rest in peace Richard Stevens, a man who believed in the diffusion of knowledge.
"Learning, learning, learning - that is the secret of jewish survival" -- Ahad A'Ham.