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Nominations for the 2000 Beanies

We've had a fair amount of nominations for the Slashdot 2000 Beanie Awards, but we'd love to get more, so head over to the nomination booth. For those who missed our initial release, Andover and Slashdot will be giving away $100,000 to deserving Open Source people and projects at LinuxWorld. Nominations end this Friday, with voting starting on Monday. Check out initial story for more details, or the discussion boards for the conversation.

81 comments

  1. Hmm, wonder who biased Slashdot will give to? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    Why don't you guys just go ahead and hand it over to the Gnome developers and your other RedHat buddies?

    Gnome could use the money. A fresh enfusion of cash might mean less crashing.

  2. Give me a break.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I moderated your post as "off-topic" because the discussion at hand was "Nominating for the Beanies." You chose to whine about how we shouldn't even be having such awards. If that's not off-topic, I don't know what is. I've read through the sig11 thread and agree there is a problem with the moderation system, but you are *not* helping half as much as you think you are. I am 100% against any form of groupthink, but I'll call a spade a spade anyday.

    1. Re:Give me a break.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Of course it's on-topic - if one thinks the whole idea is flawed, why not say so in this thread? Where else? I don't share Signal 11's view, but examples for off-topic comments would be flame wars about editors, desktop environments, Beowulf clusters etc. Or discussions about Slashdot moderation ;-)

    2. Re:Give me a break.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Moderation is inherently subjective. I stand by my choice and resent Signal 11's assumption that I was merely following a /. party line. People are free to disagree and as you can see, other moderators did. That's fine by me. I think that's a sign that moderation is working. Like I said, I've read Signal 11's "experiment" and, truthfully, felt sick afterwards. He can take his pseudo-intellectual experiements somewhere else: I'll moderate as I see things.

  3. Re:Trollin' Days by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    it was actually cancelled in the 80's, stupid. and it's a catchy tune that everyone knows. you'll be Peter Pan, one day yourself. at least that guy is having fun. all you do is bitch. you're probably "older" than the poster.

    his troll is gay, however. he's obviously competing with the School House Troll guy.

  4. Re:It's Frank Rizzo again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Frank Rizzo is a corny ass character from the Jerky Boys tapes. This guy is so lame it's fucking unbelievable. He probably actually thinks he's the only person who knows who the Jerky Boys are, even though their tapes are 8 years old. Next he'll be in here proclaiming to be Big Old Bas Ass Bob The Cattle Rustler.

    What a faggot this guy is.

  5. Re:X11 of course! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Tip of The Day:

    Do not eat corn chowder if you have an intestinal illness.

    eff Tom Christiansen.

  6. Re:easy award by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ever wonder how come he does not have one? The answer is because he is not deserving of a open source award!

    God this is a slow day!

  7. Re:easy award by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    yeah

  8. Afro Productions rocks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Right on, Afro Productions is one of the most innovative Open Source groups of our time. With they're development skills and undeniable good looks, it's obvious that Afro Productions will win.

  9. Sawmill by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    John Harper

    1. Re:Sawmill by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's bazaar-a-riffic.

    2. Re:Sawmill by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      John and sawmill are up and coming players. I do not know if they are very deserving at the moment. Besides, that lisp-like shit is confusing.

    3. Re:Sawmill by shitface · · Score: 0

      Well I use mostly BeOS but when I venture into FreeBSD and use X it is all sawmill. My dealings with Sawmill are that it that it can be configured to act and look a whole lot like Enlightenment but without the bloat.

      As for John Harper, the guy is great. He is everything that is good about open source. John is pretty dedicated on having a new release weekly and is constantly fixing those nasty bugs. John is very active in the sawmill mailing-list and always has a quick answer to email.

      VOTE FOR JOHN HARPER

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    4. Re:Sawmill by sonoffreak · · Score: 1

      John Harper rocks. The man has a vision. Sawmill is E + more configurability - bloat - more bloat. The only things Sawmill doesn't do are the eye candy stuff (like Eppelets, pager, and iconbox) which are easily, and usually, supplied by something else (GNOME, KDE, etc.). It runs fast and pretty. And the man develops like a mad man. I can practically set my watch by his releases. I read about sawmill and its goals around version 0.11 or so. I was switching between it and E until about 0.14 and now I'm addicted. If you get sick of E being slow and bloated, or if you wish your WM had the graphical prowess of E and you can't afford the bloat, check out sawmill.
      http://sawmill.sourceforge.net
      http://sawmill.themes.org

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    5. Re:Sawmill by duder · · Score: 1

      Sawmill would be a good choice. Sawmill is kinda an unknown outside of its own community but I think it is the best window manager there is when it comes to GNOME compliance. Sawmill is so configurable that it amazes me that so few people know about it.


      As for John Harper, the man is perfect for such a award. John always returns my email very quickly with helpful suggestion and he also mans the mailing list with the same effectiveness. One thing that is really nice about Sawmill is that a new release comes out weekly, this way one does not need to run cvs or wait forever for bugfixes.

    6. Re:Sawmill by Fool@Work · · Score: 1

      Sawmill is a great piece of work. I've been astounded by John's dedication and skill. He pumped out his own Lisp interpreter that handles a dialect so close to Emacs Lisp that those crossing over have no problems picking it up. In addition, he promptly releases a new version every week, and has stayed one of the most active posters on Sawmill's mailing list since the project started!

      I think it's a shame that he hasn't received more recognition for his efforts and contributions to the open source community.

      Fool@Work
  10. Re:Trollin' Days by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    damn, bro...this one sucked ass. You need a new bit.


    move along, folks. nothing to see here...nothing but a troll masta wreck.

  11. Re:easy award by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    yeah

    yeah

  12. Re:It's Frank Rizzo again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    No, you are so fucking lame it's unbelievable. Frank Rizzo is funny. The Frank Rizzo's and Mick the First Post Mastah's are the reason Slashdot is fun. It's you fucks with no sense of humor that are the fucking lame ones. You bitches can all kiss Frank Rizzo's ass.


  13. Re:FASCIST MODERATOR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The problem with thies complaints of fascist moderators is they are... invalid...
    Moderation is a way for Rob CmdrTaco Malda to keep the conversations on /. going with out having some dipstick flooding everything with a bunch of bs.
    The alternitives are to erase such posts.. this could lead to some sereous abuse as you could not see erased posts and not be aware of moderation abuse.
    Annother alternitive is to shut down Slashdot forever...
    Thow many would rather believe there is yet annother alternitive.. no moderation at all whatsoever.. however history shows this option IS "Shut down slashdot forever".. left unchecked abusive posts would flood slashdot.. readers and anyone with anything REAL to post would go elsewhere and Slashdot becomes a faded memory....
    Moderation is a way to provide a filtering system for readers.. readers objecting to this filter may simply ignore it... switch it off.. the option exists for a reason. The unfiltered content contains pedophile posts, off topic rants (like this) insulting CmdrTaco for not open sourcing /. when he has.
    One commen post is the attack on posters for "kissing up" when the poster is WELL KNOWN for holding the view he is currently expressing and in fact the only person he could POSABLY be kissing up to is himself. Often the attacker himself has a very limited understanding of what is being said and has failed to acually read what is being posted.

    And some of thies posts are silly in nature... Silly is ok but when it gets to be a nussence it gets moderated down. A lot of thies silly posts are patheticly stupid... the same joke repeated thousands of times... It is just getting in the way.. Like jumpping up in down infront of people... "It's a joke" who cares your it my way... BOOT TO DA HEAD... Get the picture? Good...

  14. Best Free Tech Support on the Web? LG Answer Guy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How about if we have a category for "best free tech support on the web"? I nonimate the answer guy!!

  15. Re:Have You Guys... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    He is awful. he posts articles and then deletes them after comments have been posted. he clearly deserves to be fired. i will no longer patronize this sight until he has been fired.

    I think the word you are looking for is 'site' not 'sight' as in the optic nerve transmissions that allow for code writing. You have encountered a phenomeon which is very common in the English language.

  16. Re:Trollin' Days by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Isn't that similar to 'Happy Days'? Man god are you old that show was canceled in the 70's. Shows that not all first posters are script kiddies in their early teens sluffing school. Most likely this person is actually an adult. Well I guess we know where Peter Pan went now do we.

  17. Re:Sawmill (OT) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > Besides, that lisp-like shit is confusing.

    Yes! At my school (Cal) a dialect of lisp is used in the introductory CS course. The next semester the CS students are asked which languages the know and which is their favorite. Scheme consistently places first and last, respectively. Ha ha.

  18. Re:Who named this award? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    And shouldn't it be the GNU-Beanies anyway?


    Well that depends on whether you can demonstrate that, at some point in the annals of history, RMS specified the color of the beanies, etc.
  19. easy award by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I nominate Mr. Bill Gates because he does not have one of these yet.

    1. Re:easy award by shitface · · Score: 0

      ever wonder how come he does not have one? The answer is because he is not deserving of a open source award!

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  20. Re:People, please read the category list by shitface · · Score: 0

    Us nerds sometimes only see, the computer. Perhaps it is a curse or perhaps it is a gift. I had to laugh the other day when /. announced that this weeks interview was with a nobel prize winning scientists and the first question ended up being what his favorite OS was.

    Can you think of a good open source man with out computer connections though?

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  21. Re:X11 of course! by shitface · · Score: 0

    Interesting point but just because it is a bottom layer piece of software does not mean it is not good. Do you realize that the famed linux kernel is just a bottom layer piece of software?

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  22. resentment & creditentials by shitface · · Score: 0

    Well, such a award I feel is needed perhaps not so much for the prize but for the community. These awards mention people and projects that I have never heard of before and therefore bring the spotlight to projects that would not recieve it otherwise. I really do not think it is some much about winning but about getting noticed or whatever.

    Besides, some people are doing this for a living and are deserving of creditentials. I really hope that all the awards that Miguel has been recieving lately benefit his company.

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  23. Re:What?! No catagory for by shitface · · Score: 0

    I do not know what is worst, your category or the poor sap that nominated Bill Gates solely because he does not have a open source award yet. Appearantly, open source awards are hard to buy at any monatery price.

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  24. Re:The SPI (Software in the Public Interest). by shitface · · Score: 0

    This might be cynical of me but what happened to that installer?

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  25. Re:resentment by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I can understand why you feel this way, but I'm inclined to think that you are the one who is missing the point -- because the point is that there is no one, singular point to the open-source community. Rather, the community is emergent: spontaneously arising from diverse motivations including, but not limited to, the hand-holding, Kumbay-singing Hippy-Love-Fest(tm) urge to share. Some people are better motivated by pissing-contests. That we progress despite this undeniable fact is a beautiful thing. Ok, somebody piss farther than that. I dare ya.

  26. Re:Category is called "Best Newbie Helper" by Kurt+Gray · · Score: 1

    There is already a category called "Best Newbie Helper" which is probably you're best chance for shining some light on your favorite doc writer or doc host.

  27. Karma and pissing contests by Signal+11 · · Score: 1
    Now you talk about the pissing contest. I cannot stress enough about the fact that many people do consider this a pissing contest. Signal 11 is one of these folks. He wanted the glory and I am not saying that I don't want glory in some form but I have even espoused various points of view that are in sharp contrast to what people want.

    I'm sorry, but I resent that remark. Have you ever spoken with me in person? Read any of the comments on my homepage? Listened in on the moderation or sig11 threads? No. Please familiarize yourself with those posts before you go off on a karma tangent. Now, onto the next matter of glory.

    I think you are agreeing with me, even though you dislike me. Atleast that's what I get from reading the above paragraph. You go on to slam me as a karma-mongering guy, and then turn around and say that I want the "glory" of posting something in sharp contrast to typical slashdot dogma. Uhhh... ok. Karma really ought to be called "dogma points" because you only earn them by playing to what the majority want to hear. You'll note the root post for this thread got marked down as "off-topic". There are hundreds of cases like this. Click up on anything you think is in "sharp contrast" to slashdot's accepted dogma and you'll see atleast one mark-down on it, usually more. Karma is had by simply posting redundant things - things that support the slashdot collective thought process. Call it what you want, but I refer to it as "dogma".

    Now, if you want to discuss karma in more detail, you got my e-mail address. I'd be happy to discuss with you, in detail if you want, what I think the flaws are in this system as well as several possible solutions. Infact, I'm putting my money where my mouth is and am in the process of developing an alternate "slashdot" with some new moderation models. If you'd like to discuss THAT with me, go ahead - I'm pretty open to discussing my ideas. However, check the personal slams at the door. Until you know me, you have no right to come down on me like that.

  28. Re:Context and resolutions. by jawad · · Score: 1

    I don't know how you could have spent 10 minutes looking for it.. looking up "karma" and "howto" within the comments gave me this, which is what you're referring to.

  29. Re:Context and resolutions. by jawad · · Score: 1
    Maybe so if someone actually wrote a Howto. Tell me where is this little thing I really am flabergasted that someone actually wrote one.

    Be flabbergasted.

  30. Re:resentment by Linux+Freak · · Score: 1

    I daresay AC's comment is more deserving of an "Insightful" than is Foogle's. :-)

  31. Re:resentment by Linux+Freak · · Score: 1

    I suppose you're correct, but believe it or not, I get a lot of enjoyment just out of the odd e-mail message I receive, thanking me for having written the guide.

    Of course, I'd be lying if I said not being nominated (or even winning some prize as a result) wasn't icing on the cake. ;-)

  32. Re:It's Frank Rizzo again by Robert+S+Gormley · · Score: 1
    You think so? It's not the reason "Slashdot is fun". It's the reason I stay out of #shells-r-us and #w4r3zd00ds2000 on irc and shit.

    Immature twits.

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  33. Who named this award? by Lotek · · Score: 1
    You know, the name "The Beanies" makes me think of small, fuzzy characters that are over hyped. Surely there had to be a better name lurking out there in the Noosphere than "The Beanies." Sigh.

    And shouldn't it be the GNU-Beanies anyway?

    And I would like to nominate Slashdot Reader Lotek for his contribution to the Open-source movement. He is deserving of the Open Source Charity award merely for the entertaining and humorous posts he makes on Slashdot. In addition, he should also get the award for Unsung Hero for the literally minutes of work he puts in a day over his hot, steaming keyboard (ew!) attempting to make the people out there who really code and create cool software smile quietly to themselves as they wonder about how Lotek's mother could have gone so terribly wrong...

  34. Re:X11 of course! by Score+Whore · · Score: 1

    There's a lot of people who want 3D and have purchased various accelerators over the last two years. Supporting current model 3D accelerators is IMHO one of the smartest moves made by XFree86. I know there are some older drivers that are suffering bitrot in the new servers, but the reason for that is because none of the active XFree86 developers have an interest in supporting those particular chipsets. The way to make sure they are supported is to go out there and volunteer to be the maintainer.

  35. Re:resentment by Score+Whore · · Score: 1

    The fact that some of these projects are able to run on zero money doesn't preclude the possiblity that a donation would be appreciated and put to good use.

  36. Re:resentment by Foogle · · Score: 1
    Of course the HowTo was a joke -- but it just proves my point that karma-whoring has become common enough for people to spoof it. And I never said that Slashdot's "karma thing" was supposed to give people equal air-time. But it *has* become a competition for people, and that is unacceptable. People should be having discussions for the sake of the discussion, not so they can get a +1 on their comments.

    As for hating Microsoft -- it's a waste of time. Why anyone would want to make their computer-usage a personal issue is beyond me. I'm not suggesting that anyone like Microsoft, but the anti-MS attitude is passe at best. You don't have to like them, but for the love of God, just keep your mouth shut about it (remember what your mother used to say? If you can't say anything nice...)

    And the Gnome/KDE thing? Flame-wars of any kind are ridiculous. They acheive nothing and only serve to belittle everyone involved. If you want to take part, feel free, but don't act like they're anything but childish pissing-contests.

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  37. Re:resentment by ctm · · Score: 1

    Oooh, that is a good question. I don't actually know any of the projects budget. I would assume that it would be one of the larger projects that would have a chance of using it. Apache, FreeBSD, XFree86... but that is a shot in the dark.

  38. Re:resentment by ctm · · Score: 1

    I would hope that Open Source programmers have a little thicker skin than that. I hate to say this, but there will always be competition in the human race. For once we give that up, why would we do anything at all? It's the same spirit that keeps us alive, and just because you don't think it's fair, doesn't mean that some projects don't deserve any recognition at all. Most of these projects are starved for money, and I for one encourage this type of recognition.

  39. Re:resentment by ctm · · Score: 1

    I'm not sure thats what these awards are about, perhaps they should be less subjective and more objective. Of course I have no help on how to redo them :) If only there was a giving of money without the competition that results from it.

    People who do give to charities often face this problem though. Charities do compete against other charities all the time to get the resources that they require. Do the people who don't run their charity well deserve the same amount as the people who run their efficiently?

  40. Nominations by Mai+Longdong · · Score: 1

    #1: Windowmaker (http://www.windowmaker.org)
    #2: GNUstep (http://www.gnustep.org)

    (KDE is too Borgish for me.)

    1. Re:Nominations by Mai+Longdong · · Score: 1

      Your excuse must be that your mother was a crack whore.

  41. Re:resentment by SytxErr · · Score: 1

    While we're on the topic of "religous" wars (emacs/vi, gnome/kde, tastes great/less filling)...

    I can't help but love my good ole FVWM -- the original, not the '95 knock-off...

  42. Awards.. by SyscoKid · · Score: 1

    There should many diffrent areas of rewards and stuff - Some wouldn't have any cash awards, just some notable mentions and links to pages, ect...

    I would have to say if it were stuctured like this I would have to give these groups.

    Geeknews.net - For even more coverage of tech news

    Phester.org - for a really interesting idea and site design

    FreeBSD for lasting along side the Linux explosion.

    Apple for filling our lifes with over priceds almost useless junk

    Dtheatre.com - Wonderful site design

    Ok.. I'm just blithering here.. I'll shut up now.

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  43. Re:FreeType - Apple TT font patents by Mr.+Penguin · · Score: 1
    You know, it's not just Apple that has patents on fonts. Adobe, Microsoft, Corel, and others all do the same things. As far as Adobe's and Microsoft's patents go, you must actually own a legal copy of the software if you want to be able to print anything utilizing one of their fonts.

    I've recently started a project where I work where we are moving all of our Macintosh users (yuk!) over to Windows NT (double yuk!). They used their computers for making owner's manuals for products, and the biggest headache is getting all of the fonts that they are in desperate need of. Therefore, I can understand the headaches that the Freetype guys are having.

    After hearing this, I fully support the Freetype project. Does anyone know if there is some way for me to change some of my nominations?

    Brad Johnson
    Webmaster
    http://mrpenguin.org
    johnsonb@ryobi.com

  44. Afro Productions will win! by shanerw · · Score: 1

    Shaft, Yellow Team, Blue Team, Shoal Kape will own the show! the best UNIX programs on earth. www.afro-productions.com

  45. WorldForge by Gosub · · Score: 2

    Disclaimer: I'm a biased developer.

    I'd seriously consider the WorldForge Project for Most Improved OpenSource Project.

    The goal is to creat an open framework for Massively Multiplayer Online Role Playing Games, ala Utlima Online.

    As anyone knows, game development under Linux is an area that needs some help. Our project is all about being Open, Linux loving but not Linux specific. We have several other *nix and Win9x developers on the team.

    We've been around for about 13-14 months now, and have a demo out, a protocol nearing completion, a huge archive of OpenContent (like the GPL, but for content) media, and several associated client and server projects.

    For more info, check out the Most Improved OpenSource Project discussion, as well as the WorldForge website.

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  46. Re:FreeType - Apple TT font patents by Guy+Harris · · Score: 2
    You know, it's not just Apple that has patents on fonts. Adobe, Microsoft, Corel, and others all do the same things.

    1. I think the Apple patents in question aren't patents on fonts per se, they're patents on mechanisms used in TrueType.
    2. Do "Adobe, Microsoft, Corel, and others" have patents on fonts, or do you really mean that they have copyrights on fonts?
  47. How I voted.. by doomy · · Score: 2


    ALSA - Most Improved Project

    ALSA - Most Improved kernel module (:))
    Rob Levin - Unsung Hero
    #debian team on OPN - Best Newbie Helpers
    SPI - Most deserving opensource charity

    bb using aalib - Best Unix Eyecandy
    alsaplayer - Best Unix Earcandy
    perl/tk - Best Perl Module
    php - Best Apache Module
    vi - Best Text Editor
    Broadcast 2000 - Deserving a $2000 award
    sawmill - Best Graphical Interface
    epic4-axur - Best Text Interface

    AC - Best Dressed :)
    Amazon - Big Dumb Patent Bully
    eToys.com - Big Dumb Domain Bully
    Hemos the Hamster - The Hemos Award.


    The stuff I left out was not applicable in my view.


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  48. Re:The SPI (Software in the Public Interest). by FreeUser · · Score: 2

    This might be cynical of me but what happened to that installer?

    It has been orphaned, like half the debian packages. (I can be just a cynical. :-))

    &lt rant &gt
    Sorry, I'm a little down on debian right now since scsidev seg faults with any 2.2.x kernel (yes, even the one from potato), thus making cdrecord and numerious gui front-ends for cd burning useless (xcdroast does work, however). Slink has been showing its age for quite some time, to the point where it is getting painful. Although we've been using debian for quite a while where I work, the long turnaround between releases and updates has forced us to take a hard look at other Distributions such as Suse, RedHat, and Mandrake, even though all of us are (or in several cases were) debian fans. (No, running unstable releases aren't an option. Unstable means just that, sometimes with severe consiquences.)

    I do not think Debian at all qualifies as "most improved product" since it has been a year and there is no new stable release yet, although if potato comes out before the awards are final perhaps this would change. I would vote for SPI for the "deserves to win $2000" award without hesitation, however, as they are the only fully open reference Linux distribution (that I am aware of) and do deserve our support (all frustrations on my part aside).
    &lt /rant &gt

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  49. Re:Doc writers need more breaks ;( by FreeUser · · Score: 2

    You are free to nominate it yourself (and you should). Documentation writers are all too often overlooked. Although my vote is for Linux DVD, I think your proposal is also very worthy (I've already made my nomination, obviously).

    I like your comment about the LinuxOne IPO. How to lose money on an IPO, tarnish the Linux community's reputation, and behave like an ass before the world all at once! I'd love to turn a couple of dominatrix friends of mine loose on the CEO of LinuxOne for a few days, armed with rusty razer blades ... but I digress. :-)

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  50. Doc writers need more breaks ;( by Linux+Freak · · Score: 2

    I wish somebody would nominate http://www.LinuxNinja.com/linux-admin/ for the ``LAME'' guide I put 2 years of part-time work into it for the good of the community. (hint hint wink wink)

    (Actually I'm just trying to get noticed by the various Linux companies, because Doc writers never seem to get ``The Letter''. ;-( ) How can I ever earn my million unless I can get in on the upcoming LinuxOne IPO? (heh)

  51. Re:resentment by seth_hartbecke · · Score: 2

    The howto was a Joke.

    So what if we hate M$? Go to any Mac site and you will hear simular stuff (they will focus more on the UI and "we did it first" then stability).

    Most slashdot readers have decided that open standards/source are good things and are aginst any company who wants to do things in a closed way. Besides M$ is not the only company we hate, listed with M$ are AOL, Linux One (yes, a linux company), Sun (kinda, sorta, maby not). Basically anybody who pushes closed standards on people or rips people off. And no, Open Source is not about beating M$, it is about...making things open (humm...that would explain the name)!

    Slashdot's karma thing is not supposed to insure that {everybody|idea|product} gets equil air time but instead supposed to elivate the comments the slashdot community finds interesting.

    I assure you that if 200,000 windoze users were to suddenly decide that slashdot were the place to be that the comments would quickly turn pro M$ and anti anything else. Because the windoze users would be the new community and that would be what they want to hear. Yes there are abusers of the moderation system, but there are abusers at your Bank/Credit union too (no system is abuse proof).

    Oh, and the GNOME/KDE wars are FUN! , while at the same time showing how both systems excell and what both systems lack. Besides we have not had a big GNOME/KDE war in some time.

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  52. Re:Context and resolutions. by Foogle · · Score: 2
    It exists, I assure you -- I spent about 10 minutes searching for it, but I didn't come up with a link. Some AC posted it in an extraordinarily long comment. Kind of funny, but totally out of context (big suprise there). Basically it just points out the various ways that people mine for karma around here, in a HOWTO-ish format.

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  53. Re:resentment by Foogle · · Score: 2
    Yeah, there probably will always be competition in the human race -- it's in our genes. But why, in the name of all that is holy and good, do we need to compete *within* the open source community? Aren't we supposed to be working together, sharing the code we develop?

    At what point does it become "My app is better than your app" or have we already gottent that far?

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  54. Re:resentment by Foogle · · Score: 2
    I don't know the answer either -- I think this is really a result of the commercialization of Open Source. When it was just a hobby-movement that people worked on in their spare time, money wasn't really an issue.

    Seriously, what do you think that $30k prize is going to go towards? I guess it depends on who it's given to, but it seems to me that there's only a few projects around that would be able to adequately deal with a $30k donation.

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  55. Suggestion: Focus on commerce & (smart) contracts by e-gold · · Score: 2

    First let me say that I'm not a programmer (I'm a mouth) and that the following could easily be interpreted as totally self-interested, and to top it off they aren't even Linux-specific. Moderate me down, see if I care. :)

    The guys at http://www.cryptix.org/ are my favorites. Cryptix(tm) is an international volunteer effort to produce robust, open-source cryptographic software libraries. Cryptix products are free, both for commercial and non-commercial use and are being used by developers all over the world. Development is currently focused on Java. Without them, the cool stuff that's happening at: http://www.webfunds.org/ Webfunds (some of it indirectly involving my company) would not be possible.

    Along some of the same lines, what's going on at: http://www.erights.org/ E involving a secure distributed object platform and scripting language for writing Capability-Based Smart Contracts is also exceptionally cool, and somewhat related is Tyler's http://www.waterken.com/ Waterken (which isn't a charity, but which is very cool IMO). Disclaimer: I like all the principals of these 4 groups as friends, and all 4 groups tend to "get" what I sell, which is e-gold, which currently uses too much closed-source stuff (that may change in the future, /. assistance appreciated). Obligatory Commercial: Anybody on Slashdot who wants to try e-gold today can e-mail me with an account number.

    Something to keep in mind is the old adage "follow the money." It's as true in trying to supplant M$ as it is in politics, IMO. Good luck, choose well, and above all have fun.
    JMR
    [Speaking only for myself, YMMV, etc. etc.]

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  56. Beanies - A Good Thing by MartyJG · · Score: 2

    It's great to see Slashdot putting money into the hands of deserving open source projects. However, I have tried visiting the voting booth, and things are considerably more confusing than they should be. There are several pages worth of space devoted to pointless or non-existent awards. What would be much more rewarding is a simple category title of 'Best Project' in several key categories.

    Eg. 'Best Project in... window managers', 'Best Project in... kernel development', 'Best Project in... spreadsheet software', 'Best Project in... games', etc, etc.

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  57. Re:resentment by dsplat · · Score: 2

    Yes, geeks have feelings. Some of us are thicker-skinned than others. But personally, I think that as the open source community grows larger there is a place for mechanisms for drawing attention to the best that we have. There is no central guiding authority in open source. Our leaders and spokespeople have those roles by consensus.

    Slashdot has already fulfilled the purpose of bringing our attention to various projects and people. And by allowing and encouraging us to post our thoughts, and through community moderation, it has facilitated people talking to each other. We have grown too big not to fragment without such a service. Yes, open source geeks will continue to do our own thing, vigorously. What this communication eliminates is the scattering into separate camps that don't talk for lack of a place to do it.

    True, The Beanies are a popularity contest. True, many worthy people won't win, and many won't even be nominated. I took the trouble to nominate some people who I don't believe have much chance of winning, but are worthy of being noticed on the list of nominees. (Guys, there will be a complete list of nominees, won't there?) The money can do one very wonderful thing for an open source project. It could pay for a labor of love to live on a couple more years. It could pay to replace aging hardware or for a faster connection for somebody who could do more if he had more.

    I wouldn't turn down the money, but I'm not likely to win in any category. I'd be honored to share the company of those nominated. Isaac Newton stated that he had seen farther because he stood on the shoulders of giants. In the case of open source, the giants designed a city full of wonders and we who have contributed have come to hoist the girders, and paint the walls. If a man truly can be known by the company he keeps, then I cannot fully state the pride I feel to be a part of this community.

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  58. Re:resentment by JordanH · · Score: 2
    • Somewhere along the line this "community" became more about competition than it did about sharing. Sharing code and working together together to make a better system?

    I think the "community" is about Freedom. Now, you might not define Freedom in the way RMS does, but I do believe that he was on to something.

    Where there is Freedom, there is no contradiction between competition and sharing. You get to decide you who you share with and you get to decide who you compete against. Only in Ideal Communist Dictatorships do you have sharing without competition.

    Perhaps you are referring to a BSD "community" here. Where everything is given away and there's no competition. Oh wait, that doesn't fit either, witness FreeBSD, OpenBSD, NetBSD and BSDI. Each of these compete, in their own ways, against the others to make the "best" system.

    From the very beginning of the Free Software Foundation, I think RMS made it quite clear that his movement was in competition with evil software "hoarders". Under the GPL, there is free sharing only with those who are like minded.

    I recall reading, years ago, when Tux was just being drawn that Linus wanted to see a graphic with Tux and the BSD Daemon playing Ice Hockey against each other. Linus clearly saw it as a competition and this has spurred him on to "make a better system". Linus was the one who said that the goal was "World Domination", after all.

    I don't know what "community" that you've been in contact with , but those who really founded THIS "community" (RMS, Linus, the various *BSD leaders) were never part of it.


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  59. Best interface for a graphical application: by scumdamn · · Score: 2

    Quake. No doubt about it. One of the best interfaces for any game I've ever seen.

  60. Context and resolutions. by slashdot-terminal · · Score: 2

    I'm actually going to agree with you on this one: Somewhere along the line this "community" became more about competition than it did about sharing. And isn't that what it's
    supposed to be? Sharing code and working together together to make a better system?


    I think that so called "communities" are always about sharing but that eventually we swing back the other way. Take a look a history and see for your self. The decade of the 1960's can be interpreted as being a very sharing time in terms of you thought. The 70's was a time where people became less interested in various things due to apathy and having their own ecconomic problems and then we see the 1980's where people abandoned the concept of sharing and went full bull into the capitalistic concept. This is what eventually evolves when we have an open community.

    Slashdot exemplifies this competitive spirit. People post just to get more Karma (there's even a HowTo out there) and almost every thread turns into a pissing contest. It's silly,
    and the Anti-Microsoft attitude just makes it worse. People here hate Microsoft and literally act like this whole Open Source Movement is just about beating MS. And if they're
    not talking about beating NT in server sales, they're starting a flame-war about KDE/Gnome. It blows my mind that there could ever be competition in an open source
    community... I think some people are just plain missing the point.


    Hmm.. well I think that there are some interesting points. But what we see is what most irritates people. Fundamentally people hate microsoft? Why well because for a large number of vocal people they have been shafted by MS and really think of them of as the devil. Now I ask you is this totally without merit? I even had a professor just I think 2 days ago in a university setting make the statement that no one can really get away with releasing broken low quality software except MS. I am sure that some if not most of the people who complain about MS have had to use or learn something about it against their will. You know what? I have been basically forced to use NT in various lab machines and 95 on others. The only place I actually get to use linux have been 2 places (well soon 3). One was in a HS environment a couple of years ago and the other is at home. I have never actually been able to use a really nice linux setup very easily. This dosn't make me bitter just appreciative about what I actually have.

    Now you talk about the pissing contest. I cannot stress enough about the fact that many people do consider this a pissing contest. Signal 11 is one of these folks. He wanted the glory and I am not saying that I don't want glory in some form but I have even espoused various points of view that are in sharp contrast to what people want. Does listing your slashdot karma on your resume actually help you? No does it give you a warm fuzzy? yes. Actually I think there is competition for a vision in terms of what people have been exposed to. Suppose that we officially said that the dominate editor for linux distros. would be Xemacs? Now what do you think the reaction would be from most folks around here? Probablly what would happen would be anarchy in some way. There are some people who linux vi/vim/ed/ or cat >prog.c and then terminate with a ^D (I actually did this in desperation once).

    Maybe some people are actually missing the point in terms of what they should do. To be fair I have not the current skills to actually write a "good" piece of GPL software unless you want a bunch of crappy specialized obfuciated C++ programs or perhaps Pascal stuff (basically not written anymore).

    This whole place is getting out of hand...

    Maybe so if someone actually wrote a Howto. Tell me where is this little thing I really am flabergasted that someone actually wrote one.

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  61. Re:resentment by slashdot-terminal · · Score: 2

    Oooh, that is a good question. I don't actually know any of the projects budget. I would assume that it would be one of the larger projects that would have a chance of using it.
    Apache, FreeBSD, XFree86... but that is a shot in the dark.


    The projects that you name are all basically evoloved projects that are not really in need of our help. What I would love to look is taking this money and giving it to people who are real under dogs and having them develop their app from some little thing that maybe was on freshmeat or their own personal site to something that would be in the next Red Hat or Debian. That would be totally amazing. I would vote for something that departs from the standard fare of network apps or graphical stuff. Maybe something like a new compiler or perhaps something like a good IDE or even a class of so called "boring" apps that would help business professionals.

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  62. Re:X11 of course! by slashdot-terminal · · Score: 2

    This project does, and continues to be everything we need. With out these programmers *nix would be sitting in the dust of Microsoft. Version 4.0 is the most anticipated version
    yet; I know I'm salavating over the next release!


    Everything? Seriously just having an X server is far from having everything. Unless the apps work on that server then it's pretty much useless. Are they actively attempting to optimize? Are they trying to get better working code for even low end cards? Personally I don't need a server for a Voodoo 3 6000 and I doubt most reasonable people do as well. Now argue with me all you want about supporting all the really "cool" hardware that "everybody" has but I just think that priorities should go to something a little more deserving.

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  63. The SPI (Software in the Public Interest). by slashdot-terminal · · Score: 2

    We all know these kind and very generous folks as the people who brought us the wonderful Debian GNU/Linux distribution. They have done quite well at creating a good distribution and are basically the only distribution that allows for 100% free distributions of Linux and they are also working on the GNU/Hurd as well. Because of all their functionality and ability I think we should nominate them.

    Don't believe me? Well consider this. I got an old CD set with linux that had a bunch of old distributions on it one of them was an early beta copy of Debian (0.98 or 0.99 or something like that). Guess what? The install was pretty cool and very nice and the entire thing was probably more functional than half of the distributions that were around at the time and consequently more useful as well. We can't say that about many.

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  64. resentment by Signal+11 · · Score: 3
    Well, I don't know who will win the awards, but I do know who will lose them. You see, for those people who aren't nominated or win, they're going to feel left out (why wasn't MY project selected, it's more useful than xyzzy!) and resentful.

    Yes, it's official: geeks have feelings. Why, oh why, did you do this Rob? Must we "award" our community members for good work? Isn't it obvious that this will serve as a demotivational tool for those who don't win the awards (and those who do will be accused of kissing up and whatnot)? Am I taking this alittle too seriously? Maybe. I'm sure people who respond to this post will think so. "It's all fun and games!" Yeah, but feelings still get hurt.

    Can't we just rely on the traditional methods - "scratching the itch" and letting the work be it's own reward? Why must we move closer to traditional social rewards / punishments to enforce our community ideals? It worked fine before...

    1. Re:resentment by Foogle · · Score: 5
      I'm actually going to agree with you on this one: Somewhere along the line this "community" became more about competition than it did about sharing. And isn't that what it's supposed to be? Sharing code and working together together to make a better system?

      Slashdot exemplifies this competitive spirit. People post just to get more Karma (there's even a HowTo out there) and almost every thread turns into a pissing contest. It's silly, and the Anti-Microsoft attitude just makes it worse. People here hate Microsoft and literally act like this whole Open Source Movement is just about beating MS. And if they're not talking about beating NT in server sales, they're starting a flame-war about KDE/Gnome. It blows my mind that there could ever be competition in an open source community... I think some people are just plain missing the point.

      This whole place is getting out of hand...

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  65. Top X Beanie Awards That Should Be Added by RimRod · · Score: 3

    1) Favorite way to kill JonKatz in effigy.

    2) Best way Microsoft has screwed you over today.

    3) Best decoration idea for AOL (or is that Time Warner?) free trial disks.

    4) Most frequent Slashdot visitor (in geek terms...biggest geek).

    5) Author of code most resembling a Rube Goldberg machine.

    6) Most confusing instruction manual (you know, those paperweights that come with software and stuff).

    7) Dumbest customer support call.

    8) Dumbest customer support representative.

    9) Internet Invention Award (only Al Gore may be nominated).

    10) If it takes half a man half a day to dig half a hole, how long will it take three monkeys to climb the Empire State Building--A, B, or C, true or false?

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  66. What?! No catagory for by ch-chuck · · Score: 4

    extremely vitriolic, invective hurling, Microsoft® bashing diatribe? And I work so hard at it too...

    Boojum

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  67. FreeType - Apple TT font patents by crush · · Score: 4

    It would be nice if there were some community support for the Freetype project . Fonts, are a vital part of the user interface and freetype has been active in developing a reverse-engineered TrueType font engine. They have discovered that Apple has patents on their TT fonts and are currently in negotiation with them....please, let's support them!

  68. People, please read the category list by Kurt+Gray · · Score: 5
    I'm going to abuse my Karma here and point out some things that people seem to be overlooking judging from various comments being posted:

    1. You don't have to nominate just Linux projects. Even the "Kernel Module" category could mean a BSD module. None of the categories explicately say "Linux" so if you feel your favorite project is being overlooked then post an argument for it in the nomination forums so others will be persuaded to vote with you.

    2. Please read the category list before suggesting that mod_perl be named "Most Deserving of $2000" because you will notice there is a category called "Best Apache Module". I see some nomination ideas being posted in entirely the wrong category.

    3. Don't be afraid to nominate a charity or anyone outside of the computer realm for "Most Deserving of $2000". It's wide open to suggestions. Post your suggestions in the approprate forum where others can follow your lead. Be creative.

  69. Linux DVD by FreeUser · · Score: 5
    My vote for "most improved open source projec" is for Linux DVD.

    The entire project has gone from being a pipe dream to allowing one to play movies under Linux, whether or not they've been encrypted with css, in an amazingly short time, both in software and with some hardware (e.g. DXR2, Matrox G400).

    Furthermore, DVD playback is a feature that is very important if Linux is to ever be a serious desktop contender against Windows (which I believe it to be -- we use it on our desktops at work and at home). The project still has allot of work ahead of it to allow my grandmother to play DVDs under Linux without being a UNIX guru, but its strides to date have been very remarkable.

    Finally, the project is under ongoing attack by legal thugs at the behest of the DVD Forum in much the same way DeCSS is (the author of css-auth, the utility which allows Livid's Linux DVD utilities to play back encrypted movies, was forced to hand off the project to someone else after being threatened with legal action in the UK). In a "bang for buck" analysis I like the return to the Open Source community, especially the Linux and FreeBSD communities, from a donation to this project deserves consideration:

    Help with legal defense of developers when required

    Hardware for developers to work on (new DVD players, decoder cards, etc.)

    While not the only deserving project by any means, DVD playback is an important one, and IMHO worthy of consideration.

    NOTE: I am not affiliated with Livid in any way, except as an enthusiastic user who enjoys watching DVD's on his Linux box. I guess that would make me a "consumer"/"beta-tester" for the project, at most.

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  70. X11 of course! by jstepka · · Score: 5

    We all know it, XFree86

    XFree86 is a freely redistributable implementation of the X Window System that runs on UNIX(R) and UNIX-like operating systems (and OS/2). The XFree86 Project has traditionally focused on Intel x86-based platforms (which is where the `86' in our name comes from), but our current release also supports other platforms. One of our current goals is to increase the range of platforms that XFree86 runs on.

    This project does, and continues to be everything we need. With out these programmers *nix would be sitting in the dust of Microsoft. Version 4.0 is the most anticipated version yet; I know I'm salavating over the next release!

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